Who is a real European? Compare? G25

[Veles]

This forum often raises the question of who is real white and who is not real white. My opinion is that this question is incorrect. Since not all Caucasians are "white." And not all "white" is Caucasians. Correctly put the question of who is the real European. It's time to find out. I propose to use this set of components of the G25 calculator.

Native Europeans: SHG - Swedish Hunter-Gatherers
WHG - West European Hunter-Gatherers.
North Eurasians: ANE
Anatolian farmer, he is an Early Neolithic farmer - ENF
Caucasian Hunter-Gatherers: CHG


,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Near East:Levant_BA_North:ERS1790729,0.087644,0.147252,-0.067505,-0.097546,-0.017849,-0.041834,-0.003525,-0.009,0.008999,0.008018,0.021273,-0.007343,0.022002,0.007432,-0.011401,0.000928,-0.011604,-0.002027,0.004777,0.014132,0.011355,0.018548,-0.000123,-0.006145,0.005868
Near East:Levant_BA_South:I1705,0.081953,0.146236,-0.056568,-0.113697,-0.008001,-0.046296,-0.010575,-0.007154,0.031088,0.004556,0.016401,-0.020532,0.040287,-0.001651,-0.003393,0.030496,0.009127,0.007095,-0.003897,0.017884,0.003369,0.009892,0.000616,0.006 507,-0.013891
Near East:Levant_ChL:I0644,0.087644,0.161469,-0.035449,-0.132108,0.023081,-0.055499,-0.013161,-0.009,0.059516,0.034625,0.014128,-0.016335,0.0278,0.004817,-0.019544,0.010077,-0.000261,0.009628,0.004399,0.006753,-0.004492,0.01014,-0.007272,-0.007953,-0.006107
Near East:Levant_N:I0867,0.072847,0.17264,-0.030924,-0.147935,0.034468,-0.068607,-0.016451,-0.011999,0.072606,0.048839,0.010555,-0.013038,0.029435,-0.008257,-0.024837,0.007292,0.020992,-0.008615,-0.004651,0.023761,-0.000374,0.004451,0.000123,-0.005302,-0.006826
Caucasus CHG:KK1,0.087644,0.106631,-0.086361,-0.002261,-0.08617,0.0251,0.028436,0.003923,-0.129464,-0.077086,-0.005359,0.023979,-0.056788,0.012386,0.030401,-0.032617,0.025034,-0.012289,-0.021117,0.033641,0.030821,-0.009398,0.009613,-0.022654,-0.001078
East_Asian:Han:B_Han-3,0.018212,-0.450895,-0.004148,-0.0646,0.069244,0.029284,0.006345,0.002538,-0.014521,-0.001458,-0.074861,-0.01094,0.007284,-0.013074,-0.005429,0.006762,0.005998,0.001647,-0.004777,-0.008754,0.016346,0.006059,0.008627,-0.006507,0.00012
East_Asian:Han:HGDP00774,0.020488,-0.468159,-0.021873,-0.061693,0.090171,0.048806,0.000235,-0.009,-0.013703,-0.00893,-0.02582,-0.005245,0.004608,-0.00812,0.001493,-0.002121,0.002477,-0.001647,-0.004902,-0.016758,0.015473,-0.006059,0.019227,0.000723,0.005389
East_Asian:Han:HGDP00775,0.01935,-0.452926,-0.004903,-0.066215,0.069859,0.031236,0.00705,0.002308,-0.013908,-0.001458,-0.075186,-0.009442,0.008028,-0.011973,-0.003936,0.007823,0.004172,0.000127,-0.004777,-0.006253,0.015722,0.007914,0.00986,-0.005784,-0.003712
East_Asian:Han:HGDP00776,0.020488,-0.453942,-0.025267,-0.062985,0.103712,0.054384,-0.002115,-0.009692,-0.016771,-0.006196,-0.014777,-0.004196,0.004608,-0.009771,0,0.000265,-0.005737,0.000507,-0.005531,-0.009004,0.01435,0.011747,0.013927,0.000482,-0.002634
East_Asian:Han:HGDP00777,0.027318,-0.438709,0.002263,-0.060078,0.047701,0.020359,0.006815,-0.001154,-0.014112,0.006014,-0.074374,-0.008243,0.008325,-0.004817,-0.007057,0.001856,0.004172,-0.003547,-0.003268,-0.006503,0.006114,0.019784,0.012941,-0.003012,-0.000838
East_Asian:Han:HGDP00778,0.020488,-0.450895,-0.008674,-0.069122,0.081246,0.038487,0.00188,-0.004384,-0.016362,-0.00164,-0.040922,-0.01109,0.005649,0.002752,-0.008007,-0.000398,0.005476,-0.000887,0.001006,-0.01013,0.010606,0.004822,0.010846,0.001205,-0.002994
East_Asian:Han:HGDP00779,0.022765,-0.451911,0.001508,-0.068476,0.065551,0.029284,0.0047,-0.000692,-0.014112,-0.002005,-0.05846,-0.008542,0.009514,-0.010872,-0.010179,-0.005569,-0.001304,-0.003547,0.001257,-0.013506,0.014225,0.006183,0.017748,0.001928,-0.001197
East_Asian:Han:HGDP00780,0.018212,-0.443786,-0.012068,-0.067184,0.087709,0.048527,0.001175,-0.008769,-0.011249,-0.00656,-0.035725,-0.002698,0.005798,-0.012111,-0.001357,0.000133,-0.003781,-0.001014,0.001885,-0.01113,0.009608,0.009521,0.015899,-0.00012,-0.004311
East_Asian:Han:HGDP00781,0.010244,-0.451911,-0.021496,-0.064277,0.11079,0.057451,-0.001175,-0.011769,-0.023111,-0.013121,-0.020136,-0.002098,0.005203,-0.010046,-0.00475,0.003182,0.007693,-0.004561,0.001257,-0.013131,0.010731,0.001113,0.020952,-0.00012,-0.008622
East_Asian:Han:HGDP00782,0.021626,-0.447848,0.00264,-0.0646,0.074168,0.032351,0.002115,-0.006461,-0.011044,0.000364,-0.056674,-0.008692,0.008474,-0.007156,-0.006107,-0.00305,-0.000652,-0.000887,-0.002514,-0.009004,0.004617,0.005564,0.016515,0.002289,-0.003952
East_Asian:Han:HGDP00783,0.028456,-0.446833,0.000754,-0.067507,0.05878,0.021753,0.004935,-0.005769,-0.016362,0.000729,-0.068528,-0.006444,0.012487,-0.003991,-0.002307,0.004906,0.000782,0.004307,-0.002137,-0.008254,0.016845,0.009892,0.008627,-0.005302,-0.001796
East_Asian:Han:S_Han-1,0.030732,-0.445817,0.001508,-0.066215,0.058165,0.021196,0.00564,-0.001846,-0.017794,0.000547,-0.067391,-0.005545,0.015163,-0.004817,-0.003257,0.004508,0.001304,0.005068,-0.001885,-0.012256,0.017594,0.008408,0.008504,-0.004579,0.000599
Anatolian farmers ENF,0.123799353,0.183810882,0.010004882,-0.097736118,0.057893118,-0.046164647,-0.003193294,-0.003773529,0.044465882,0.090153294,0.007785,0.014 166882,-0.023733294,8.09412E-05,-0.041362706,-0.015411706,0.019580529,0.001594882,0.010521706,-0.011306882,-0.010819118,0.007528235,-0.005118471,-0.002665235,-0.005593059
North Eurasian ANE:MA1,0.076261,-0.026404,0.037335,0.187664,-0.069551,0.045459,-0.048412,-0.058613,-0.021066,-0.071619,0.029879,-0.01079,0.015609,-0.046104,0.017372,0.021214,-0.007823,0.00152,-0.006411,0.001501,-0.029822,0.003957,0.012571,-0.006748,0.000239
Native European SHG/WHG:SHG:I0011,0.124067,0.099522,0.168573,0.188633, 0.087093,0.054105,-0.000235,0.013153,0.035587,-0.045012,0.001624,-0.024129,0.036125,-0.015001,0.028908,0.051843,0.007171,0.003294,-0.009553,0.03164,0.053531,0.011252,-0.019843,-0.092784,0.008143
Native European SHG/WHG:SHG:I0012,0.135449,0.084289,0.173476,0.195739, 0.092017,0.056894,-0.00752,0.009692,0.050517,-0.038999,-0.000325,-0.018434,0.032705,-0.016928,0.02823,0.052771,0.004433,0,-0.006913,0.035142,0.062016,0.016817,-0.021445,-0.104714,0.001317
Native European SHG/WHG:SHG:I0014,0.137726,0.083273,0.167064,0.190571, 0.078476,0.056336,-0.00517,0.006,0.036201,-0.038816,0.002273,-0.015286,0.032111,-0.009909,0.034066,0.046804,0.008084,0.006081,-0.005279,0.043771,0.04517,0.011994,-0.026991,-0.098689,0.006227
Native European SHG/WHG:SHG:I0015,0.137726,0.092413,0.160653,0.193155, 0.085247,0.058567,0.003995,0.01223,0.025565,-0.041368,-0.002923,-0.019782,0.031367,-0.018166,0.032301,0.051047,0.006128,0.000127,-0.00088,0.040269,0.049288,0.021887,-0.022308,-0.095315,0.008502
Native European SHG/WHG:SHG:sf12,0.133173,0.105615,0.174607,0.194124,0 .086478,0.061077,0.011281,0.015692,0.037837,-0.044648,0.002273,-0.018733,0.033895,-0.018166,0.03203,0.038981,-0.006128,0.005068,-0.003771,0.045022,0.042924,0.011376,-0.018734,-0.093266,0.002395
Native European SHG/WHG:WHG,0.123688,0.115770333,0.185166,0.187556333, 0.155208667,0.051223,0.015510667,0.036844333,0.090 263333,0.017859,-0.015697333,-0.015936,0.016253333,-0.005367,0.053564333,0.061256333,0.003607333,0.012 711333,-0.009008333,0.054901333,0.09633,0.011087333,-0.049175667,-0.161749667,0.017763
Native European SHG/WHG:WHG:I1875,0.130897,0.120848,0.191577,0.194447, 0.159107,0.048248,0.015746,0.040152,0.087332,0.007 472,-0.016076,-0.015436,0.017839,-0.003303,0.047909,0.047069,0.007302,0.018497,-0.003268,0.057027,0.087471,0.00915,-0.048436,-0.143153,0.01449
Native European SHG/WHG:WHG:Rochedane,0.118376,0.111708,0.178001,0.184 111,0.150182,0.044623,0.010575,0.034383,0.090809,0 .028064,-0.014615,-0.016186,0.013974,-0.002752,0.058767,0.069344,0.002738,0.014189,-0.015335,0.054151,0.101446,0.013231,-0.050778,-0.178579,0.019519
Yoruba:HGDP00944,-0.628304,0.061947,0.021496,0.01615,-0.001539,0.003347,-0.042067,0.049152,-0.050108,0.030616,-0.000974,0.003897,0.023191,-0.006468,0.00475,-0.004773,0.005737,-0.007601,0.00729,-0.002876,0.004991,0.000495,-0.006409,0.002771,-0.005029
Yoruba:NA18486,-0.627165,0.060932,0.019987,0.01615,0.001539,0.0178 49,-0.043947,0.043152,-0.050722,0.029522,0.006008,0.001199,0.01888,-0.00055,0.011672,-0.012729,0.00665,0.002027,0.008296,-0.007629,0.004617,0.007172,-0.000863,-0.003253,0.004191
Yoruba:NA18487,-0.627165,0.066009,0.021496,0.015181,0.002462,0.012 55,-0.050292,0.05169,-0.046836,0.031891,0.005359,-0.003447,0.027651,0.00234,0.015472,-0.011005,0.006258,-0.002027,0.005028,0.001751,-0.001622,-0.000124,-0.000986,0.001205,0.002155
Yoruba:NA18488,-0.63058,0.067025,0.020742,0.01615,0.001846,0.01506 ,-0.047002,0.050998,-0.052563,0.035172,0.004384,0.004946,0.025124,0.001 376,0.013843,-0.007027,0.009909,0.004307,0.007668,-0.002126,-0.000374,0.000742,-0.001972,-0.002048,-0.002994
Yoruba:NA18489,-0.627165,0.062963,0.021119,0.016796,0.001539,0.012 271,-0.048647,0.044537,-0.044177,0.035536,0.002598,-0.002248,0.019475,0.002202,0.01045,-0.011403,-0.00013,0.002027,0.008296,-0.006503,0.001996,0.003091,-0.00037,-0.005663,0.003832
Yoruba:NA18498,-0.627165,0.063978,0.026398,0.017765,-0.001231,0.009761,-0.040187,0.049613,-0.043973,0.03991,0.004709,-0.002548,0.023934,0.004817,0.015201,-0.011933,0.00678,-0.000127,0.004274,-0.001876,0.00574,0.007914,-0.001356,0.000361,0.000599
Yoruba:NA18499,-0.63058,0.057885,0.019987,0.011951,-0.001539,0.016176,-0.046297,0.044075,-0.048472,0.03098,0.003735,-0.001948,0.026016,0,0.016151,-0.011403,0.006128,-0.000253,0.002011,-0.004502,0.001248,0.002226,-0.000493,0.000723,-0.001557
Yoruba:NA18501,-0.631718,0.059916,0.020742,0.018088,-0.000615,0.016455,-0.037837,0.046383,-0.048063,0.029704,0.004872,0.002398,0.019921,0.003 028,0.013979,-0.020021,0.005737,0.001267,0.005782,-0.004252,0.006239,0.001855,-0.003821,0.001325,-0.000479
Yoruba:NA18504,-0.636271,0.061947,0.024136,0.017119,-0.001231,0.012271,-0.040187,0.047767,-0.049086,0.032802,0.007307,0.001499,0.019921,0.000 688,0.010043,-0.006364,0.012256,0.00266,0.00729,-0.004752,-0.002121,0.00136,-0.000863,0.001325,-0.00012
Yoruba:NA18505,-0.636271,0.062963,0.02489,0.016473,0.002154,0.0083 67,-0.043477,0.052152,-0.052972,0.033714,0.008119,0.003297,0.025124,-0.001927,0.011265,-0.007425,0.007823,-0.000507,0.003394,-0.001251,-0.000873,-0.001237,-0.003081,-0.000964,0.002395
Yoruba:NA18507,-0.628304,0.061947,0.02225,0.021964,0.002154,0.0131 08,-0.048647,0.045921,-0.050722,0.030616,0.004709,0.001649,0.02438,0.0049 54,0.014929,-0.001591,0.010691,0.003167,0.006913,0.001126,-0.002745,0.001978,0.000863,-0.000964,-0.007664
Some results:
My, Russian
Native European SHG/WHG,39
Anatolian farmers ENF,32.4
Caucasus CHG,14.6
North Eurasian ANE,13
East_Asian,1

German:
Anatolian farmers ENF,46.2
Native European SHG/WHG,29
Caucasus CHG,15.2
North Eurasian ANE,9.6

Polish1
Anatolian farmers ENF,36.8
Native European SHG/WHG,34.2
North Eurasian ANE,15.6
Caucasus CHG,13.4

Polish2
Native European SHG/WHG,42
Anatolian farmers ENF,36.2
Caucasus CHG,15.4
North Eurasian ANE,6
East_Asian,0.4

Portuguese
Anatolian farmers ENF,54.6
Native European SHG/WHG,18.8
North Eurasian ANE,9.8
Caucasus CHG,8.6
Near East,7
Yoruba,1.2

Italian_Abruzzo
Anatolian farmers ENF,49.6
Near East,20
Caucasus CHG,13.6
Native European SHG/WHG,10.2
North Eurasian ANE,6.6

Finnish_East
Native European SHG/WHG,41.6
Anatolian farmers ENF,27
North Eurasian ANE,12
Caucasus CHG,11.6
East_Asian,7.8

[Blondie]

Real european = who has european genetic

[Dna8]

I don't understand genetics, but I enjoy the opening post's Wagnerian dimensions.

[Veles]

Real european = who has european genetic
The fact is that all Europeans are very similar. There are small regional differences. Eastern Finns have a slightly increased East Asian component. Southern Europeans can trace the Middle East.
Western Europeans have a tall Anatolian farmer. Eastern Europe has a high Native European.

Hungarian:HungarianC5

Anatolian farmers ENF,42.2
Native European SHG/WHG,31.4
Caucasus CHG,14.6
North Eurasian ANE,11.8

[Veles]

Then what Armenian claimed that he was European. Armenians have no Native European origin, too no ANE. Crossing with Europe - only Anatolian farmer and Caucasian
[1] "distance%=4.6793"

Armenian:S_Armenian-1

Near East,53.4
Caucasus CHG,29.6
Anatolian farmers ENF,14.6
North Eurasian ANE,1.6
East_Asian,0.8

[Matxe92]

There is a problem here, with catogorizing this properly.

Because we consider people with late farmer admixture to be a part of the european ethnicity.
But that admix is also found in people that we DON'T consider european, for example people from the middle east and caucausus.

I'm not sure if european hunter-gatherer admix is only found in todays europe. If it is, i would say that is the ultimate marker for europeaness to me. (think it's found as far away as asia, if i remember correctly)

[karakartal]

Could you please run for me? (I'm half European, i just want to see my results)

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
TG_scaled,0.117238,0.108662,0.003017,-0.016473,0.004308,-0.011713,0.004935,0.002308,-0.008181,0.00492,-0.000487,0.002997,0.004311,0.000413,-0.009365,0.013657,0.02021,0,-0.001383,0.003877,-0.010606,0.000742,0.001602,-0.001446,0.001676

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
TG,0.0103,0.0107,0.0008,-0.0051,0.0014,-0.0042,0.0021,0.001,-0.004,0.0027,-0.0003,0.002,0.0029,0.0003,-0.0069,0.0103,0.0155,0,-0.0011,0.0031,-0.0085,0.0006,0.0013,-0.0012,0.0014

Thanks

[Kaspias]

WHG, ANE, ENF, CHG all of them are part of European race. It is not a test for determining your white blood but ancient spreading among Caucasian race. You can see your Caucasian - Mongoloid - Black ratio though.

White term is phenotypical and connecting it with genetic doesn't make sense to me.

[Veles]

Could you please run for me? (I'm half European, i just want to see my results)

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
TG_scaled,0.117238,0.108662,0.003017,-0.016473,0.004308,-0.011713,0.004935,0.002308,-0.008181,0.00492,-0.000487,0.002997,0.004311,0.000413,-0.009365,0.013657,0.02021,0,-0.001383,0.003877,-0.010606,0.000742,0.001602,-0.001446,0.001676


Thanks
[1] "distance%=3.6851"

TG_scaled

Anatolian farmers ENF,37.2
Near East,19.6
Caucasus CHG,17.4
North Eurasian ANE,12.4
Native European SHG/WHG,10.4
East_Asian,3

[karakartal]

Thanks mate. Distance is close because i'm %50 Turk.

[FilhoV]

Run mine

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
FilhoV_scaled,0.094473,0.15436,0.034695,-0.011628,0.043085,-0.006414,-0.0094,0.000692,0.016975,0.028247,0.002111,0.00644 4,-0.015758,-0.010322,0.003664,-0.009944,0.000652,-0.005448,-0.003142,-0.002626,0.003119,0.000124,-0.001849,-0.001205,-0.003233

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Filho_V,0.0083,0.0152,0.0092,-0.0036,0.014,-0.0023,-0.004,0.0003,0.0083,0.0155,0.0013,0.0043,-0.0106,-0.0075,0.0027,-0.0075,0.0005,-0.0043,-0.0025,-0.0021,0.0025,0.0001,-0.0015,-0.001,-0.0027

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

[1] "distance%=4.9229"

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

Anatolian farmers ENF,57.8
Native European SHG/WHG,20
Caucasus CHG,10.2
North Eurasian ANE,8.6
Yoruba,1.8
Near East,1.6


Fit ins't that good.

[Lemgrant]

pen=0.001

[1] "distance%=7.5802"

Lemgrant_scaled

Native European SHG/WHG,43.4
Anatolian farmers ENF,24.4
Near East,13.6
Caucasus CHG,11
North Eurasian ANE,6.6
East_Asian,1

**************

pen=0:

[1] "distance%=7.2091"

Lemgrant_scaled

Native European SHG/WHG,37.4
Anatolian farmers ENF,33.6
Caucasus CHG,14.2
North Eurasian ANE,12.4
Near East,2
East_Asian,0.4

[Veles]

Run mine

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FilhoV_scaled,0.094473,0.15436,0.034695,-0.011628,0.043085,-0.006414,-0.0094,0.000692,0.016975,0.028247,0.002111,0.00644 4,-0.015758,-0.010322,0.003664,-0.009944,0.000652,-0.005448,-0.003142,-0.002626,0.003119,0.000124,-0.001849,-0.001205,-0.003233

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Filho_V,0.0083,0.0152,0.0092,-0.0036,0.014,-0.0023,-0.004,0.0003,0.0083,0.0155,0.0013,0.0043,-0.0106,-0.0075,0.0027,-0.0075,0.0005,-0.0043,-0.0025,-0.0021,0.0025,0.0001,-0.0015,-0.001,-0.0027
[1] "distance%=3.8107"

FilhoV_scaled

Anatolian farmers ENF,60.6
Native European SHG/WHG,18.6
Caucasus CHG,11.4
North Eurasian ANE,6
Yoruba,3.4

[Veles]

Fit ins't that good.

I would like to avoid the EHG, hooked up ANE and SHG
The SHG is almost the same as the EHG, but pure European, without ANE.

[Kaspias]

[1] "distance%=4.9229"

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

Anatolian farmers ENF,57.8
Native European SHG/WHG,20
Caucasus CHG,10.2
North Eurasian ANE,8.6
Yoruba,1.8
Near East,1.6


Fit ins't that good.

Of course close is better but fit is not that important since calculator uses the ancient samples while you have modern admixture. I wouldn't care the distance

[PT Tagus]

[1] "distance%=4.9229"

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

Anatolian farmers ENF,57.8
Native European SHG/WHG,20
Caucasus CHG,10.2
North Eurasian ANE,8.6
Yoruba,1.8
Near East,1.6


Fit ins't that good.

What do these values mean?

[FilhoV]

[1] "distance%=3.8107"

FilhoV_scaled

Anatolian farmers ENF,60.6
Native European SHG/WHG,18.6
Caucasus CHG,11.4
North Eurasian ANE,6
Yoruba,3.4

Thanks seems similar to my Gedmatch runs.

[FilhoV]

[1] "distance%=3.8107"

FilhoV_scaled

Anatolian farmers ENF,60.6
Native European SHG/WHG,18.6
Caucasus CHG,11.4
North Eurasian ANE,6
Yoruba,3.4

Thanks seems similar to my Gedmatch runs.

[Grace O'Malley]

Veles could you please run mine? Thanks

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Grace_scaled,0.138864,0.136081,0.064488,0.052003,0 .036314,0.017291,0.001645,0.006231,0.004909,-0.00328,-0.009094,0.004646,-0.011298,-0.009771,0.029994,0.005701,-0.007041,-0.004434,0.000377,0.007879,0.007112,0.007296,-0.005793,0.010845,-0.000479

[Not a Cop]

0.129758,0.105615,0.073539,0.07106,0.030159,0.0256 58,0.00752,0.011307,-0.006954,-0.027153,-0.004384,-0.008842,0.017393,0.01445,-0.0057,0.004641,0.00339,-0.004941,-0.00088,0.003752,0.002371,-0.000742,0.004807,0.003012,-0.003832

[Veles]

Veles could you please run mine? Thanks


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Grace_scaled,0.138864,0.136081,0.064488,0.052003,0 .036314,0.017291,0.001645,0.006231,0.004909,-0.00328,-0.009094,0.004646,-0.011298,-0.009771,0.029994,0.005701,-0.007041,-0.004434,0.000377,0.007879,0.007112,0.007296,-0.005793,0.010845,-0.000479
[1] "distance%=6.8851"

Grace_scaled

Anatolian farmers ENF,39.2
Native European SHG/WHG,35.8
Caucasus CHG,15.8
North Eurasian ANE,9.2

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

What do these values mean?

This is a calculator based on ancient DNA samples. Ancient human genomes suggest a few ancestral populations for present-day Europeans. These populations are usually Early European Farmer (EEF), Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) and West European Hunter-Gatherer (WHG).

[Veles]

0.129758,0.105615,0.073539,0.07106,0.030159,0.0256 58,0.00752,0.011307,-0.006954,-0.027153,-0.004384,-0.008842,0.017393,0.01445,-0.0057,0.004641,0.00339,-0.004941,-0.00088,0.003752,0.002371,-0.000742,0.004807,0.003012,-0.003832
Look like mine.
[1] "distance%=6.9956"

Not a Cop

Native European SHG/WHG,37.2
Anatolian farmers ENF,30.6
North Eurasian ANE,15.6
Caucasus CHG,15.4
East_Asian,1.2

[Veles]

There is a problem here, with catogorizing this properly.

Because we consider people with late farmer admixture to be a part of the european ethnicity.
But that admix is also found in people that we DON'T consider european, for example people from the middle east and caucausus.

I'm not sure if european hunter-gatherer admix is only found in todays europe. If it is, i would say that is the ultimate marker for europeaness to me. (think it's found as far away as asia, if i remember correctly)
I agree with you. WHG / SHG is the foundation that unites all Europeans. And the Portuguese, and the Finns, and the Italians, and the Scandinavians. If a person does not have WHG / SHG, it means that you are excluded from the European club. :D

[michal3141]

WHG/SHG is native to Europe as Veles pointed out. ENF (Anatolia), CHG (Caucasus), ANE (Siberia) are components from distinct parts of Asia.

[Cumansky]

Run me the Rusky calculator..

It will be funny if "Black Ukrainian" is most European

[firemonkey]

Could you run these please?

Tim_Mother_test_Scaled,0.12179,0.122878,0.069391,0 .05491,0.042778,0.021195,0,-0.005538,0.006136,0.000182,-0.002273,0.005544,-0.010703,-0.018303,0.025788,0.011004,-0.021384,0.006208,0.001256,-0.003501,-0.0005,-0.000123,-0.000369,0.009278,-0.00455



Tim_G_scaled,0.129758,0.131003,0.064865,0.047158,0 .043393,0.019243,0.002585,0.003,0.006954,-0.000547,-0.002598,0.005095,-0.010406,-0.011147,0.027823,0.006364,-0.021253,0.005828,0.001885,0.001751,0.004367,0.001 855,-0.002218,0.008555,-0.003113

Tim_G_father_scaled,0.137726,0.139128,0.060339,0.0 39406,0.044008,0.017291,0.00517,0.011538,0.007772,-0.001276,-0.002923,0.004646,-0.010109,-0.003991,0.029858,0.001724,-0.021122,0.005448,0.002514,0.007003,0.009234,0.003 833,-0.004067,0.007832,-0.001676

[Zuh]

Native americans were proto indo Europeans xD

[FilhoV]

That 3.4 Yoruba Shows up when I pull my pants down

[Veles]

Could you run these please?


Tim_Mother_test_Scaled,0.12179,0.122878,0.069391,0 .05491,0.042778,0.021195,0,-0.005538,0.006136,0.000182,-0.002273,0.005544,-0.010703,-0.018303,0.025788,0.011004,-0.021384,0.006208,0.001256,-0.003501,-0.0005,-0.000123,-0.000369,0.009278,-0.00455




Tim_G_scaled,0.129758,0.131003,0.064865,0.047158,0 .043393,0.019243,0.002585,0.003,0.006954,-0.000547,-0.002598,0.005095,-0.010406,-0.011147,0.027823,0.006364,-0.021253,0.005828,0.001885,0.001751,0.004367,0.001 855,-0.002218,0.008555,-0.003113


Tim_G_father_scaled,0.137726,0.139128,0.060339,0.0 39406,0.044008,0.017291,0.00517,0.011538,0.007772,-0.001276,-0.002923,0.004646,-0.010109,-0.003991,0.029858,0.001724,-0.021122,0.005448,0.002514,0.007003,0.009234,0.003 833,-0.004067,0.007832,-0.001676
[1] "distance%=7.0608"

Tim_G_father_scaled

Anatolian farmers ENF,42
Native European SHG/WHG,36.2
Caucasus CHG,16.4
North Eurasian ANE,5.4

[1] "distance%=6.8422"

Tim_Mother_test_Scaled

Anatolian farmers ENF,41.6
Native European SHG/WHG,31.6
North Eurasian ANE,18.6
Caucasus CHG,8.2


[1] "distance%=6.8399"

Tim_G_scaled

Anatolian farmers ENF,41.8
Native European SHG/WHG,33.8
Caucasus CHG,12.2
North Eurasian ANE,12.2

[Veles]

Run me the Rusky calculator..

It will be funny if "Black Ukrainian" is most European
Where are your coordinates?

[Cumansky]

Where are your coordinates?



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Cumansky_scaled,0.12862,0.125926,0.06939,0.056202, 0.037545,0.019801,0.00658,0.011076,-0.000205,-0.017859,-0.004872,-0.007943,0.017988,0.017891,-0.013843,0.01127,0.02373,-0.000887,-0.001508,0.009379,-0.006364,-0.002102,0.005423,0.000361,0.000718

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Cumansky,0.0113,0.0124,0.0184,0.0174,0.0122,0.0071 ,0.0028,0.0048,-0.0001,-0.0098,-0.003,-0.0053,0.0121,0.013,-0.0102,0.0085,0.0182,-0.0007,-0.0012,0.0075,-0.0051,-0.0017,0.0044,0.0003,0.0006

[Veles]

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Cumansky_scaled,0.12862,0.125926,0.06939,0.056202, 0.037545,0.019801,0.00658,0.011076,-0.000205,-0.017859,-0.004872,-0.007943,0.017988,0.017891,-0.013843,0.01127,0.02373,-0.000887,-0.001508,0.009379,-0.006364,-0.002102,0.005423,0.000361,0.000718

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Cumansky,0.0113,0.0124,0.0184,0.0174,0.0122,0.0071 ,0.0028,0.0048,-0.0001,-0.0098,-0.003,-0.0053,0.0121,0.013,-0.0102,0.0085,0.0182,-0.0007,-0.0012,0.0075,-0.0051,-0.0017,0.0044,0.0003,0.0006
Typical Eastern Slavic, native European

[1] "distance%=7.0774"

Cumansky_scaled

Native European SHG/WHG,36.6
Anatolian farmers ENF,35.8
Caucasus CHG,13.4
North Eurasian ANE,11.2
Near East,3

[celticdragongod]

"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
AnatolianfarmersENF NearEast:Levant_BA_North:ERS1790729
21.82995 22.95557
NearEast:Levant_BA_South:I1705 NearEast:Levant_ChL:I0644
24.08686 24.78029
NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG:SHG:I0015 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG:SHG:I0011
24.87006 24.94715
NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG:SHG:sf12 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG:SHG:I0014
25.07986 25.12295


"2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
"penalty= 0"
"Ncycles= 1000"


"distance%=7.2774"

CDG_scaled

AnatolianfarmersENF,42.6
NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG,32.2
CaucasusCHG,13.2
NorthEurasianANE,12

Did I pass? :)

[Veles]

Did I pass? :)
100% All components are assembled, you are white European.

[FinalFlash]

Garbage fits everywhere. You are supposed to get the fit distance between 1-2 for the most ideal results.

[Veles]

Garbage fits everywhere. You are supposed to get the fit distance between 1-2 for the most ideal results.
It's all ok. Try a distance of 1-2 with ancient components without EHG. You are angry because you do not pass like white.:) Get out of our club.

[FinalFlash]

It's all ok. Try a distance of 1-2 with ancient components without EHG. You are angry because you do not pass like white.:) Get out of our club.

I don't use EHG but yamnaya and sintasha.


And your fit still sucks dick.

[Veles]

I don't use EHG but yamnaya and sintasha.


And your fit still sucks dick.
You can go the way you want, in any case, you are not European and certainly not white. Why don't you want to be proud of your Middle Eastern origin?
In this calculator, all Europeans get the same components. Here everything is in place, humble yourself.

[Veles]

Even the developer of G25 - Davidski (Polako) is not shy about doing
Calculators with a distance of 6-7. Here are my results on his ancient ancestors calculator:


[1] "distance%=6.4989"

Veles_scaled

Yamnaya_Samara,53
Barcin_N,27.8
WHG,17.6
Han,1.2
Clovis,0.4
Do see that this Armenian doesn’t like his Middle Eastern origin, and he tears his hair up his ass to become a European on the Internet.

[Token]

Garbage fits everywhere. You are supposed to get the fit distance between 1-2 for the most ideal results.

You will rarely/almost never get to 1-2% using pre Mesolithic samples to model modern populations due to recent drift skewing some dimensions of the PCA, this is why people generally prefer to use qpAdm when modelling deep ancestry. You can still get sensible results with G25 if you select the proper samples, even though the fits might look off.

[FinalFlash]

You can go the way you want, in any case, you are not European and certainly not white. Why don't you want to be proud of your Middle Eastern origin?
In this calculator, all Europeans get the same components. Here everything is in place, humble yourself.

Because the majority of my ancestry is derived from the Caucasus region and EEF. Not to mention some Steppe admixture.

And why are you changing the subject of who is European or not? I simply stated that your fit is terrible and is woefully inaccurate. Yet here you are trying to make yourself feel relevent with your "muuhhh YiRoPiEn" sharade. You clearly have issues kid and you need help.

[FinalFlash]

You will rarely/almost never get to 1-2% using pre Mesolithic samples to model modern populations due to recent drift skewing some dimensions of the PCA, this is why people generally prefer to use qpAdm when modelling deep ancestry. You can still get sensible results with G25 if you select the proper samples, even though the fits might look off.

A fit distance of 2-3 is decent too but this guy's fit was about 4-5 which is not very accurate which is all I suggested. Clearly some users have mental issues if they take offense to this.

[Veles]

Because the majority of my ancestry is derived from the Caucasus region and EEF. Not to mention some Steppe admixture.

And why are you changing the subject of who is European or not? I simply stated that your fit is terrible and is woefully inaccurate. Yet here you are trying to make yourself feel relevent with your "muuhhh YiRoPiEn" sharade. You clearly have issues kid and you need help.
If you shave your hair on your ass, can you get smarter? I brought you a calculator Polaco. Polako .... fuck! This he did you G25. He has a distance of 6.5. And this is normal for ancient calculators. If you use modern samples, the distance is reduced.

[Livin]

You can go the way you want, in any case, you are not European and certainly not white. Why don't you want to be proud of your Middle Eastern origin?
In this calculator, all Europeans get the same components. Here everything is in place, humble yourself.

Armenians are by far more white caucasoid than the average turko-uralic baltomongol russians rofl.

[Tigranes]

Armenians are by far more white caucasoid than the average turko-uralic baltomongol russians rofl.

LUL, you roasted him pretty well.:thumb001:
He's outraged right now.

[Veles]

A fit distance of 2-3 is decent too but this guy's fit was about 4-5 which is not very accurate which is all I suggested. Clearly some users have mental issues if they take offense to this.
Any calculator on the G25 is inaccurate. But to reach a distance of 1-3 from the ancient ancestors is impossible. In general, I am surprised that this sample works from a distance of 3-8. Since I have not yet seen calculators with ANE, this is interesting for me as for an Eastern European. ANE is a European component, not Armenian. So you are not interested. At first it didn't work at all for me, until I added the SHG. Now for Europeans it is quite tolerable.

You are not offended because of the inaccuracy of the calculator, but because you have been expelled from a European family.

[Livin]

LUL, you roasted him pretty well.:thumb001:
He's outraged by now.

Russians are the most non-white ethic group in europe.They are a branch of uralics,tatars,slavomongols and 1 million turkish tribes with islam as their religion.Armenians even if they are not europeans they still looking more caucasoid.


Also comparing russians with armenians is a joke.Armenians are people with pride and their women don’t whore themselves like russian women do who are the most famous whores and prostitutes in all over the world.

[Tigranes]

Russians are the most non-white ethic group in europe.They are a branch of uralics,tatars,slavomongols and 1 million turkish tribes with islam as their religion.Armenians even if they are not europeans they still looking more caucasoid.


Also comparing russians with armenians is a joke.Armenians are people with pride and their women don’t whore themselves like russian women do who are the most famous whores and prostitutes in all over the world.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcT4Ct7-7xEnuN_wj5acHYXmof-Qfq-wMMpMZMeoboxiEOA32q-S

[GreentheViper]

This is even worse than the "who's white" threads lol

[Veles]

Armenians are by far more white caucasoid than the average turko-uralic baltomongol russians rofl.
This topic ... Churban Detected.. Black ass troll theme. LOL

[FinalFlash]

If you shave your hair on your ass, can you get smarter? I brought you a calculator Polaco. Polako .... fuck! This he did you G25. He has a distance of 6.5. And this is normal for ancient calculators. If you use modern samples, the distance is reduced.

That's still an inaccurate distance even for ancient samples. You can definitely get it down to much lower distances if you add more references. I can do it for the Armenian averages.

Armenian average(10 samples)

Distance 1.4619

Seh_Gabi_Chl. 40.83
North Caucasus MBA 22.5
Barcin_N. 19.17
Yamnaya_Caucasus. 9.17
Levant_N. 8.33

I can shave my ass but you can't do anything about your butthurt.

[Livin]

Any calculator on the G25 is inaccurate. But to reach a distance of 1-3 from the ancient ancestors is impossible. In general, I am surprised that this sample works from a distance of 3-8. Since I have not yet seen calculators with ANE, this is interesting for me as for an Eastern European. ANE is a European component, not Armenian. So you are not interested. At first it didn't work at all for me, until I added the SHG. Now for Europeans it is quite tolerable.

You are not offended because of the inaccuracy of the calculator, but because you have been expelled from a European family.

You fucking clown.You russians and east slavs you got high ANE and Turkish admixture.How you call your self white?The tatars who live in your country are counting for white caucasoid?Or your finno-ugric president Stupin has white roots?

Do you know what is the term white caucasoid?People with extremely high ANE admixture can't be considered white.Back to siberia!!!

[Livin]

That's still an inaccurate distance even for ancient samples. You can definitely get it down to much lower distances if you add more references. I can do it for the Armenian averages.

Armenian average(10 samples)

Distance 1.4619

Seh_Gabi_Chl. 40.83
North Caucasus MBA 22.5
Barcin_N. 19.17
Yamnaya_Caucasus. 9.17
Levant_N. 8.33

I can shave my ass but you can't do anything about your butthurt.



If you put out the levant_N you Armenians are by far more white caucasoid than the turko-uralo mongols siberorussians rofl.

[FinalFlash]

If you put out the levant_N you Armenians are by far more white caucasoid than the turko-uralo mongols siberorussians rofl.

Muhhhh no shteeepppeee Yuropeoan admikshchire muhhhhhhh lol

[FinalFlash]

If you put out the levant_N you Armenians are by far more white caucasoid than the turko-uralo mongols siberorussians rofl.

I'm still waiting on that Davdiski guy to upload more samples. There's a lot of disparity in some of the individuals so I know this isn't the final average.

[Cumansky]

This calc is really shit, I gotta be honest

[Leto]

Russians are the most non-white ethic group in europe.They are a branch of uralics,tatars,slavomongols and 1 million turkish tribes with islam as their religion.Armenians even if they are not europeans they still looking more caucasoid.


Also comparing russians with armenians is a joke.Armenians are people with pride and their women don’t whore themselves like russian women do who are the most famous whores and prostitutes in all over the world.


You fucking clown.You russians and east slavs you got high ANE and Turkish admixture.How you call your self white?The tatars who live in your country are counting for white caucasoid?Or your finno-ugric president Stupin has white roots?

Do you know what is the term white caucasoid?People with extremely high ANE admixture can't be considered white.Back to siberia!!!


If you put out the levant_N you Armenians are by far more white caucasoid than the turko-uralo mongols siberorussians rofl.
Why would a Greek be so Russophobic? Especially towards a friendly fellow Orthodox nation? Also, you confuse whiteness with caucasoidness. Assyrians are Caucasoid but are you gonna say they're whiter than Slavs? Lol. I'm lighter than most Southern Europeans, I have pale skin, gray eyes, light brown hair. And not a hint of anything Asian appearance-wise. You attacked and insulted me when I respectfully commented on another Greek's DNA results and photo and now no one is even talking about your people to begin with.

[Veles]

That's still an inaccurate distance even for ancient samples. You can definitely get it down to much lower distances if you add more references. I can do it for the Armenian averages.

Armenian average(10 samples)

Distance 1.4619

Seh_Gabi_Chl. 40.83
North Caucasus MBA 22.5
Barcin_N. 19.17
Yamnaya_Caucasus. 9.17
Levant_N. 8.33

I can shave my ass but you can't do anything about your butthurt.
This cannot be done more accurately. ANE+WHG+EEF. I tried a lot. If you want to get the gene pool of Europe. The Armenian gene pool is probably very archaic to get 1.4.

[Leto]

Veles is a sockpuppet of a banned user, I'm not defending that particular guy and his words, he uses Google translate to generate posts. But attacking a whole nation because of one guy is ridiculous.

[Faklon]

1. White is a WASP construct of self-identification
2. Steppe/Yamnaya carried big amounts of ANE, it's not conceptual mongoloid and pretty much an irrelevant parameter anymore
3. Livin, you probably carry vast amounts of ANE, Armenians also do

[FinalFlash]

This cannot be done more accurately. ANE+WHG+EEF. I tried a lot. If you want to get the gene pool of Europe. The Armenian gene pool is probably very archaic to get 1.4.

Which is why I told you that your fit was very inaccurate for Armenians. Yet you started talking about irrelevant topics like "not in the European family".

[Livin]

Why would a Greek be so Russophobic? Especially towards a friendly fellow Orthodox nation? Also, you confuse whiteness with caucasoidness. I'm lighter than most Southern Europeans, I have pale skin, gray eyes, light brown hair. And not a hint of anything Asian appearance-wise. You attacked and insulted me when I respectfully commented on another Greek's DNA results and photo and now no one is even talking about your people to begin with.

And because you are blonde and pale skinned it means you are more white than me rofl?

Look your ancestry and look mines you drunkman!!!

86157


And why should i like a state witch produces drunk men,gangsters,prostitutes and they imposed communism in the half part of eurasia?And why should i like the most hommophobic and racist nation in the whole world?Do me a favor and don't involve Greeks with Russians.With exception the retarted religion there is nothing else in common.

[Leto]

To be fair, NarLFC has never said he is European or anything like that. Usually Armenians just say they're Armenian. Of course geographically they're not European, it's not up for debate.

[FinalFlash]

And because you are blonde and pale skinned it means you are more white than me rofl?

Look your ancestry and look mines you drunkman!!!

86157


And why should i like a state witch produces drunk men,gangsters,prostitutes and they imposed communism in the half part of eurasia?And why should i like the most hommophobic and racist nation in the whole world?Do me a favor and don't involve Greeks with Russians.With exception the retarted religion there is nothing else in common.

Take it easy brother. Leto is a decent man. I don't want to equate him with that other guy.

[Veles]

You fucking clown.You russians and east slavs you got high ANE and Turkish admixture.How you call your self white?The tatars who live in your country are counting for white caucasoid?Or your finno-ugric president Stupin has white roots?

Do you know what is the term white caucasoid?People with extremely high ANE admixture can't be considered white.Back to siberia!!!
ANE is a European component, as is the EEF. In Russian, it is not very high.
Tatars of the Eurasian people. Tatars have a high enough Asian component to influence their phenotype.
The Greeks are Europeans.
Armenians are Middle Eastern people.

[Livin]

1. White is a WASP construct of self-identification
2. ANE was carried from Steppe/Yamnaya, it's not conceptual mongoloid and pretty much an irrelevant parameter anymore
3. Livin, you probably carry vast amounts of ANE, Armenians also do

You got zero idea.ANE is a mix of uralic-Altaic component and is founding in the MAL-TA boy.R1 carriers have it.

And nope Pontians got almost none of this admixture.Our steppe admixture is limited only 4%.Just a noise!!!!

We are mostly CHG and Neolithic anatolia(Barcin) with some Levant Neolithic.

[Leto]

And because you are blonde and pale skinned it means you are more white than me rofl?

Look your ancestry and look mines you drunkman!!!

86157


And why should i like a state witch produces drunk men,gangsters,prostitutes and they imposed communism in the half part of eurasia?And why should i like the most hommophobic and racist nation in the whole world?Do me a favor and don't involve Greeks with Russians.With exception the retarted religion there is nothing else in common.
Lol. Most racist and homophobic. You must be a damn leftist. Communism was imposed on us as well (largely by a group originally from the Middle East). We were the first and biggest victims of it.

And by the way, I don't look like that photo at all. And I don't drink (very rarely in small amounts). Too many assumptions about someone you don't know shit about.

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

I have paid enough for genetic testings (23andme,ftdna,yfull,some older admixture tests of polako).

so i won't pay for this one.. but could anyone show me turkish average? as far as i remember i'm pretty close to turkish_aydin(dodecad) and turkish_balikesir (mdlp?)

[Livin]

ANE is a European component, as is the EEF. In Russian, it is not very high.
Tatars of the Eurasian people. Tatars have a high enough Asian component to influence their phenotype.
The Greeks are Europeans.
Armenians are Middle Eastern people.


ANE is a totally foreign component duel with it.Is founding in the whole europe and exists fine among ruskis and other east balts.

[Veles]

Veles is a sockpuppet of a banned user, I'm not defending that particular guy and his words, he uses Google translate to generate posts. But attacking a whole nation because of one guy is ridiculous.
Dude, you are Komi, not Russian.

[FinalFlash]

To be fair, NarLFC has never said he is European or anything like that. Usually Armenians just say they're Armenian. Of course geographically they're not European, it's not up for debate.

Pretty much this. I've never once claimed that we cluster with Europeans but I've always argued against those who spread misinformation about our genetic admixture like "muh no steppe" or "no European" even though a 1/3 of our admixture is literally comprised of EEF+Yamnaya.

[Livin]

Lol. Most racist and homophobic. You must be a damn leftist. Communism was imposed on us as well (largely by a group originally from the Middle East). We were the first and biggest victims of it.

And by the way, I don't look like that photo at all. And I don't drink (very rarely in small amounts). Too many assumptions about someone you don't know shit about.


I am center-right liberal/consersative and i have nothing to do with a neonazi state like modern Russia and your racist and corrupted president.As for Russians they look more uralic-finno-ugric mixed with strong turkish element than central/northern europeans.

Along with Finns probably the most non-european looking nations.

[michal3141]

An interesting calculator Veles!

I guess my results are typical Balto-Slavic - predominately Native European.

pen = 0.001:
[1] "distance%=7.0057"

michal3141

Native European SHG/WHG,41.4
Anatolian farmers ENF,30.2
Near East,10
Caucasus CHG,9.6
North Eurasian ANE,8.2
East_Asian,0.6

pen = 0:
[1] "distance%=6.6774"

michal3141

Native European SHG/WHG,35.6
Anatolian farmers ENF,35
North Eurasian ANE,14.6
Caucasus CHG,11.4
Near East,3.4

[Leto]

Dude, you are Komi, not Russian.
Lol. I am not. The uyezd my maternal side is from was reported as nearly entirely Russian back in 1897. My paternal side is not Finno-Ugric at all.

[Faklon]

You got zero idea.ANE is a mix of uralic-Altaic component and is founding in the MAL-TA boy.R1 carriers have it.

And nope Pontians got almost none of this admixture.Our steppe admixture is limited only 4%.Just a noise!!!!

We are mostly CHG and Neolithic anatolia(Barcin) with some Levant Neolithic.

Yy, you have many things fucked up in your head indeed.

CHG is full of ANE and the Steppe was ~50% CHG ~50 EHG.

MAL-TA boy was Eurasian and his ANE component was used just because we couldn't find another pattern for Eurasian migrations, for like 4 years now we have actual Steppe samples.


Have fun with your ANE and stop separating overlapping components

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/be/c2/cb/bec2cb8e8a345e1968b85e7bf2411458.png

[Leto]

I am center-right liberal/consersative and i have nothing to do with a neonazi state like modern Russia and your racist and corrupted president.
Neo-Nazi racist? Lol. Putin's Russia is anything but racist and it's also very pro-immigration and pro-Islam. You're crazy, dude.

with strong turkish element
We have no Turkish in us, you guy may have more being a former Ottoman vassal.

[Veles]

ANE is a totally foreign component duel with it.Is founding in the whole europe and exists fine among ruskis and other east balts.
[1] "distance%=4.7152"

Greek:GREEKGRALPOP16

Anatolian farmers ENF,52.4
Caucasus CHG,16.6
Near East,11
Native European SHG/WHG,10.2
North Eurasian ANE,9.4
Yoruba,0.4

I sometimes understand why the Greeks support the brothers of Armenians.:D

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

@veles

do you have results of turks?

[michal3141]

Communism was imposed on us as well (largely by a group originally from the Middle East). We were the first and biggest victims of it.

So true. Communism is not an idea of Balto-Slavic origin. Balto-Slavs are good-hearted but kinda naive people.

[Leto]

[1] "distance%=4.7152"

Greek:GREEKGRALPOP16

Anatolian farmers ENF,52.4
Caucasus CHG,16.6
Near East,11
Native European SHG/WHG,10.2
North Eurasian ANE,9.4
Yoruba,0.4

I sometimes understand why the Greeks support the brothers of Armenians.:D
He has no clue about genetics. And he is pretty racist himself. The difference is that racism against us is generally tolerated or even encouraged these days.

[Livin]

Yy, you have many things fucked up in your head indeed.

CHG is full of ANE and the Steppe was ~50% CHG ~50 EHG.

MAL-TA boy was Eurasian and his ANE component was used just because we couldn't find another pattern for Eurasian migrations, for like 4 years now we have actual Steppe samples.


Have fun with your ANE and stop separating overlapping components

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/be/c2/cb/bec2cb8e8a345e1968b85e7bf2411458.png

For the last time.First of all learn the basics about genetics.

CHG has nothing to do with ANE.CHG is closer with Basal Eurasian(aka neolithic NATUFIAN) than anything.ANE is half altaic/uralic and this component is what connects modern europeans with native americans.ANE is founded in MAL-TA boy and the genetistics mention about the ghost population.The people who carried it later absorded CHG-EHG and WHG.Modern chechens and other north caucasian people are a mix of ANE+CHG.

[Livin]

Neo-Nazi racist? Lol. Putin's Russia is anything but racist and it's also very pro-immigration and pro-Islam. You're crazy, dude.

We have no Turkish in us, you guy may have more being a former Ottoman vassal.


You idiot i am not greek genetically.I am armenian./assyrian like and trust me if you put out the lEVANT_N i am still more caucasoid than your uralic-tatar ass...

[Livin]

He has no clue about genetics. And he is pretty racist himself. The difference is that racism against us is generally tolerated or even encouraged these days.


The most rascist nation in the whole world is Russia and everyone knows it well.Even nazis were puppets comparing to Stupins country..

[Leto]

Pretty much this. I've never once claimed that we cluster with Europeans but I've always argued against those who spread misinformation about our genetic admixture like "muh no steppe" or "no European" even though a 1/3 of our admixture is literally comprised of EEF+Yamnaya.
Well, even if there is very little Steppe admixture in Armenians, that could be discussed in a more civilized manner. And it's not something to make fun of or use as a trolling argument. Even in Europe Steppe admixture steadily decreases as you go down southward.

[Lemgrant]

I have paid enough for genetic testings (23andme,ftdna,yfull,some older admixture tests of polako).

so i won't pay for this one.. but could anyone show me turkish average? as far as i remember i'm pretty close to turkish_aydin(dodecad) and turkish_balikesir (mdlp?)

pen=0

[1] "distance%=3.0787"

Turkish_Aydin

Anatolian farmers ENF,28.4
Near East,24.2
Caucasus CHG,22
North Eurasian ANE,14.4
East_Asian,10.4
Native European SHG/WHG,0.6

*****************************

[1] "distance%=3.4893"

Turkish_Balikesir

Anatolian farmers ENF,29.8
Near East,22.4
Caucasus CHG,19.8
North Eurasian ANE,15.2
East_Asian,10.6
Native European SHG/WHG,2.2

*****************************

[1] "distance%=2.6415"

Turkish_Istanbul

Anatolian farmers ENF,32.2
Near East,23.2
Caucasus CHG,22.6
North Eurasian ANE,14.4
East_Asian,4.6
Native European SHG/WHG,3

****************************

[1] "distance%=2.8718"

Turkish_Kayseri

Near East,35.8
Anatolian farmers ENF,24.2
Caucasus CHG,24.2
North Eurasian ANE,10.6
East_Asian,5.2

*****************************

[1] "distance%=2.8943"

Turkish_Adana

Near East,36.4
Anatolian farmers ENF,22.6
Caucasus CHG,22.6
North Eurasian ANE,13.4
East_Asian,5

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

pen=0

[1] "distance%=3.0787"

Turkish_Aydin

Anatolian farmers ENF,28.4
Near East,24.2
Caucasus CHG,22
North Eurasian ANE,14.4
East_Asian,10.4
Native European SHG/WHG,0.6

*****************************

[1] "distance%=3.4893"

Turkish_Balikesir

Anatolian farmers ENF,29.8
Near East,22.4
Caucasus CHG,19.8
North Eurasian ANE,15.2
East_Asian,10.6
Native European SHG/WHG,2.2

*****************************

[1] "distance%=2.6415"

Turkish_Istanbul

Anatolian farmers ENF,32.2
Near East,23.2
Caucasus CHG,22.6
North Eurasian ANE,14.4
East_Asian,4.6
Native European SHG/WHG,3

****************************

[1] "distance%=2.8718"

Turkish_Kayseri

Near East,35.8
Anatolian farmers ENF,24.2
Caucasus CHG,24.2
North Eurasian ANE,10.6
East_Asian,5.2

*****************************

[1] "distance%=2.8943"

Turkish_Adana

Near East,36.4
Anatolian farmers ENF,22.6
Caucasus CHG,22.6
North Eurasian ANE,13.4
East_Asian,5

Thank you!

[Veles]

@veles

do you have results of turks?
[1] "distance%=2.6415"

Turkish_Istanbul

Anatolian farmers ENF,32.2
Near East,23.2
Caucasus CHG,22.6
North Eurasian ANE,14.4
East_Asian,4.6
Native European SHG/WHG,3

[Leto]

You idiot i am not greek genetically.I am armenian./assyrian like and trust me if you put out the lEVANT_N i am still more caucasoid than your uralic-tatar ass...


The most rascist nation in the whole world is Russia and everyone knows it well.Even nazis were puppets comparing to Stupins country..
Okay, I see there's no point arguing with a madman. Honestly I don't care what you are like genetically. But it's good to know you're not even Greek because I have always had the utmost respect for the Greeks. I hate forums like this because one often ends up talking shit about other nations because of one or two dipshits claiming to represent their flags.

[Livin]

Okay, I see there's no point arguing with a madman. Honestly I don't care what you are like genetically. But it's good to know you're not even Greek because I have always had the utmost respect for the Greeks. I hate forums like this because one often ends up talking shit about other nations because one or two dipshits claiming to represent their flags.

You are the one who calls niggers south europeans and west asians.I have seen your comments since i joined the forum how hated you are against meditteranean people and west asians.Dont try to avoid it.You calling brown people every south european.Any nation with limited fucking steppe admixture is african to you.This is the russian education..

[Veles]

Armenians spoiled the topic. These Armenians also behave in Russia and in Europe. Absolutely everywhere the same. In the next branch, an Armenian boasted that he was buying Russian and Finnish women for a bottle of vodka.

[FinalFlash]

Armenians spoiled the topic. These Armenians also behave in Russia and in Europe. Absolutely everywhere the same. In the next branch, an Armenian boasted that he was buying Russian and Finnish women for a bottle of vodka.

You spoiled the topic with your idiotic outbursts. Yeah because Russians are known for their good behavior worldwide. You shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house kid.

[Leto]

You are the one who calls niggers south europeans and west asians.I have seen your comments since i joined the forum how hated you are against meditteranean people and west asians.Dont try to avoid it.You calling brown people every south european.Any nation with limited fucking steppe admixture is african to you.This is the russian education..
This isn't true. I may have talked badly about Islam (it has nothing to do with race) and made some jokes about Arabs being camel jockeys and stuff like that but I've never said Southern Europeans are brown, because they're not. I consider all ethnic Europeans white as a whole. Actually I have a somewhat pan-European perspective. I think Europeans cannot allow petty hatred and fueds against each other in this day and age because of serious external threats. What's the point for a German to talk shit about Italians when he has millions of non-Europeans in his country? So you are being a big liar right here.
I don't post about politics (aside from occasional remarks), I don't classify people. I'm more into genetics and that kind of things but I feel like I'm getting tired of it as well. Maybe I'll buy Davidski's coordinates later this year and play with them for a while because GEDmatch has largely lost its novelty for me.

[FinalFlash]

Well, even if there is very little Steppe admixture in Armenians, that could be discussed in a more civilized manner. And it's not something to make fun of or use as a trolling argument. Even in Europe Steppe admixture steadily decreases as you go down southward.

Yes, of course. I agree with you wholeheartedly which is generally why I am here; to discuss genetics, not to be flamed for lacking the "sufficient" amount of steppe DNA.

[Livin]

This isn't true. I may have talked badly about Islam (it has nothing to do with race) and made some jokes about Arabs being camel jockeys and stuff like that but I've never said Southern Europeans are brown, because they're not. I consider all ethnic Europeans white as a whole. Actually I have a somewhat pan-European perspective. I think Europeans cannot allow petty hatred and fueds against each other in this day and age because of serious external threats. What's the point for a German to talk shit about Italians when he has millions of non-Europeans in his country? So you are being a big liar right here.
I don't post about politics (aside from occasional remarks), I don't classify people. I'm more into genetics and that kind of things but I feel like I'm getting tired of it as well. Maybe I'll buy Davidski's coordinates later this year and play with them for a while because GEDmatch has largely lost its novelty for me.

I have seen randomly comments of you since i joined the forum mentioning phrases like negrito,brown,wog and stuff to south europeans like Sicilians,Cretans,Cypriots.You also hating west asians and levantines.And has nothing to do with religion.Your pathetic country is full of Muslims are you kidding me?Half of Russians are muslims tatars.Dont lie to me vodka man!!!

[Veles]

An interesting calculator Veles!

I guess my results are typical Balto-Slavic - predominately Native European.

pen = 0.001:
[1] "distance%=7.0057"

michal3141

Native European SHG/WHG,41.4
Anatolian farmers ENF,30.2
Near East,10
Caucasus CHG,9.6
North Eurasian ANE,8.2
East_Asian,0.6

pen = 0:
[1] "distance%=6.6774"

michal3141

Native European SHG/WHG,35.6
Anatolian farmers ENF,35
North Eurasian ANE,14.6
Caucasus CHG,11.4
Near East,3.4

Thank you, Michal. Your opinion is very important to me. What do you think should be added to the calculator to make it more accurate?
PS Your result is a native European. High SHG and ANE. This is typical of Balto-Slavs.

[karakartal]

[1] "distance%=3.6851"

TG_scaled

Anatolian farmers ENF,37.2
Near East,19.6
Caucasus CHG,17.4
North Eurasian ANE,12.4
Native European SHG/WHG,10.4
East_Asian,3

i am more european than armenians. hehe

[Veles]

You spoiled the topic with your idiotic outbursts. Yeah because Russians are known for their good behavior worldwide. You shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house kid.
Therefore, do not throw stones. When Russian power appears in Russia, we will be very friendly with Azerbaijan and Turkey. What will your house be then?

[Leto]

I have seen randomly comments of you since i joined the forum mentioning phrases like negrito,brown,wog and stuff to south europeans like Sicilians,Cretans,Cypriots.You also hating west asians and levantines.And has nothing to do with religion.Your pathetic country is full of Muslims are you kidding me?Half of Russians are muslims tatars.Dont lie to me vodka man!!!
Yes, I may joke now and then (in particular about Sikeliot and his 'half-Lebanese Sicilians') but that's not hatred and not serious all. There is benign trolling which is funny and there is actually offensive stuff.
The rest of your post is pure nonsense, not worth commenting.

I have reported you for multiple insults and personal attacks. Let's see if this forum has any decency left (they turn the blind eye to socks, personal attacks, malicious trolling, etc.).

[FinalFlash]

Therefore, do not throw stones. When Russian power appears in Russia, we will be very friendly with Azerbaijan and Turkey. What will your house be then?

At the rate Muslims are multiplying and running rampant in Russia? At least I will have a house ;)

[Borealis]

[1] "distance%=19.1368"

Basilisk

North_Eurasian_ANE,38.2
CaucasusCHG,21.6
East_Asian,19.8
NearEast,17.8
Yoruba,2.6

[michal3141]

Thank you, Michal. Your opinion is very important to me. What do you think should be added to the calculator to make it more accurate?
PS Your result is a native European. High SHG and ANE. This is typical of Balto-Slavs.

Veles, Thank you for your kind words! I am indeed proud of my Balto-Slavic ancestry.

Regarding accuracy, It is hard to make it more accurate with such ancient components. This is the thing I've been trying to do myself.
The oldest component I found to improve accuracy significantly was Baltic Bronze Age (Baltic_BA I think). Apart from this Baltic Corded Ware (CWC_Baltic) is also giving good accuracy.

To me 6-7% of an error is still very good using such ancient components in case of Northern Europeans.

[Livin]

Yes, I may joke now and then (in particular about Sikeliot and his 'half-Lebanese Sicilians') but that's not hatred and not serious all. There is benign trolling which is funny and there is actually offensive stuff.
The rest of your post is pure nonsense, not worth commenting.

I have reported you for multiple insults and personal attacks. Let's see if this forum has any decency left (they turn the blind eye to socks, personal attacks, malicious trolling, etc.).

hahaha you think i care if i get banned you drunk narkaman?

You russians are only famous for being drunk and your escort/prostitute women.I am note even taking serious Ruskis.In Greece russians are drug dealers and the women working at strip clubs and brothels.We also took many of you since your pathetic former government collapsed.You should be thankful to my grandpa that he took to his business some Ruskis to feed their stomachs..!

BTW you should have been banned a long time before for rascist comments and ironic phrases about south europeans.But Loki gets offended only when i mention Protestantism...

[Token]

[1] "distance%=19.1368"

Basilisk

North_Eurasian_ANE,38.2
CaucasusCHG,21.6
East_Asian,19.8
NearEast,17.8
Yoruba,2.6

This model doesn't works for your ethnicity.

[Faklon]

CHG is closer with Basal Eurasian(aka neolithic NATUFIAN)

You just mentioned three different ages of human evolution in half a sentence.


ANE is half altaic/uralic and this component is what connects modern europeans with native americans.

Half aka Eur-asian and an unimportant indicator anymore, if EHG was in the OP's calculator people would hardly get ANE.


You idiot i am not greek genetically.I am armenian./assyrian like

Good to know, this probably means that you would get more ANE and less WHG/SHG.

[Blondie]

This thread should be deleted. I have never seen so many pure bullshit before like these comments.

[Livin]

You just mentioned three different ages of human evolution is half a sentence.



Half aka Eur-asian and an unimportant indicator anymore, if EHG was in the OP's calculator people would hardly get ANE.



This probably means that you would get more ANE and less EHG/WHG/SHG.

Stick with angels classifications and leave genetics buddy.The only one with ANE admixture is your slavo-vlachoid ass.Pontians lack this admixture.We got 4% yamnaya just a noise.

If you want to mock me you can mention the high 8% LEVANT_N.

As for ANE is totally foreign to both basal eurasian and CHG.


Armenians btw have 8-10% steppe they might have some ANE comparing to Pontic Greeks witch is almost invisible.

[Veles]

At the rate Muslims are multiplying and running rampant in Russia? At least I will have a house ;)
I love Muslims. Our family has friends - the Dagestan family. Our children are friends together. I love the Tatars and all the indigenous Muslim peoples of Russia. Russians have been living in the same country with Muslims for many centuries. And we welcome it.

[Borealis]

This model doesn't works for your ethnicity.

Yes. I added a few things. First Southeast Asian(Dai).
[1] "distance%=18.9716"


North_Eurasian_ANE,38.4
CaucasusCHG,21.4
Dai,21
NearEast,16.8
Yoruba,2.4

It just replaced Han it seems.

Next Jarawa:

[1] "distance%=12.7073"

Jarawa,51.6
CaucasusCHG,28.2
North_Eurasian_ANE,14.8
NearEast,5.4

Then SIS3:

[1] "distance%=2.4349"


Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,82.2
Anatolianfarmers_ENF,5.4
Jarawa,3.6
Native_European_SHG/WHG,2.4
CaucasusCHG,2.2
North_Eurasian_ANE,2.2
NearEast,1
Dai,0.6
East_Asian,0.4

[Token]

Yes. I added a few things. First Southeast Asian(Dai).
[1] "distance%=18.9716"


North_Eurasian_ANE,38.4
CaucasusCHG,21.4
Dai,21
NearEast,16.8
Yoruba,2.4

It just replaced Han it seems.

Next Jarawa:

[1] "distance%=12.7073"

Jarawa,51.6
CaucasusCHG,28.2
North_Eurasian_ANE,14.8
NearEast,5.4

Then SIS3:

[1] "distance%=2.4349"


Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,82.2
Anatolianfarmers_ENF,5.4
Jarawa,3.6
Native_European_SHG/WHG,2.4
CaucasusCHG,2.2
North_Eurasian_ANE,2.2
NearEast,1
Dai,0.6
East_Asian,0.4

So you are basically an Indus Valley Civilization survivor. Are you South Indian?

[Not a Cop]

Armenians are by far more white caucasoid than the average turko-uralic baltomongol russians rofl.

Armenians are brown caucasoids actually.

[TheMaestro]

100% African and proud, no need for calcs.

[Faklon]

Stick with angels classifications and leave genetics buddy.The only one with ANE admixture is your slavo-vlachoid ass.Pontians lack this admixture.We got 4% yamnaya just a noise.

If you want to mock me you can mention the high 8% LEVANT_N.

As for ANE is totally foreign to both basal eurasian and CHG.


Armenians btw have 8-10% steppe they might have some ANE comparing to Pontic Greeks witch is almost invisible.

Basal Eurasian is a 100000 years old ghost population you braintard, what do you have on basal Eurasians?

Here's what Polako wrote about them:

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2016/04/estimating-basal-eurasian-ancestry.html


Unfortunately, this equation doesn't appear to work too well for Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers (CHG) Kotias and Satsurblia. They both score around 25% BE, which, as far as I can see, seems way too low. Perhaps using MA1 in the equation is messing things up because CHG harbor significant MA1-related ancestry?


CHG is 15000 yeard old, Barcin Neolithic is 8000 years old.

Angel's anthropology runs perfectly with genetics but I bet you never minded to notice, just spamming inferiority complex about Slavovlachoids.

I mean,

"If you want to mock me you can mention the high 8% LEVANT_N."

wtf lol, are you trying to be an OWD Turk to match the genetics you haven't tested?

[Leto]

Armenians are brown caucasoids actually.
Some are, some aren't. Many would be as dark as Southern Europeans. But Caucasoid ≠ white. Many white nationalists would rather accept a Finn than a Sicilian.

[Veles]

Stick with angels classifications and leave genetics buddy.The only one with ANE admixture is your slavo-vlachoid ass.Pontians lack this admixture.We got 4% yamnaya just a noise.

If you want to mock me you can mention the high 8% LEVANT_N.

As for ANE is totally foreign to both basal eurasian and CHG.


Armenians btw have 8-10% steppe they might have some ANE comparing to Pontic Greeks witch is almost invisible.
Usually you like these types very much like the Germans to set as an example the true Europeans. Here is an example of a Swede. First available. Many ANEs up to 18% are recruited by many Northwestern Europeans.

[1] "distance%=6.6587"

Swedish:Sweden11

Native European SHG/WHG,38.4
Anatolian farmers ENF,37.2
North Eurasian ANE,12.6
Caucasus CHG,11.8

Polish1
Anatolian farmers ENF,36.8
Native European SHG/WHG,34.2
North Eurasian ANE,15.6
Caucasus CHG,13.4

[1] "distance%=7.5426"

Norwegian:NOR150

Anatolian farmers ENF,41.6
Native European SHG/WHG,32.6
North Eurasian ANE,16.4
Caucasus CHG,8.4
East_Asian,1
If these people with high ANE are not Europeans for you, then you have gone to hell. :D
An Armenian will blame the Norwegian and the Swede for high ANE, considering them to be Asian, and this Armenian considers himself to be true Europeans. I am under the table.

[FinalFlash]

Armenians are brown caucasoids actually.

Some are. Most aren't.

[Livin]

Usually you like these types very much like the Germans to set as an example the true Europeans. Here is an example of a Swede. First available. Many ANEs up to 18% are recruited by many Northwestern Europeans.

If these people with high ANE are not Europeans for you, then you have gone to hell. :D
An Armenian will blame the Norwegian and the Swede for high ANE, considering them to be Asian, and this Armenian considers himself to be true Europeans. I am under the table.


If ANE is white and european then Natufian and basal eurasian negritos as you ruskis calling people from southern europe and middle east are white and european too.End of story!!!

And don't make me mention the mesolithic WHG..you know well how wog they were looking.So what if i say the populations with WHG are not white but negritos?

[Borealis]

So you are basically an Indus Valley Civilization survivor. Are you South Indian?

Lol no, not at all. If I were to add in a tribal group then the results would change drastically. It's just that it was the best it could do with the groups available to it.

[1] "distance%=2.0687"

Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,53.6
Paniya,29.4
CaucasusCHG,5.4
North_Eurasian_ANE,4.8
Anatolianfarmers_ENF,4
NearEast,1.6
Native_European_SHG/WHG,1
East_Asian,0.2

[Veles]

Leto why did you give me a minus? Indigenous Muslims in Russia are full-fledged citizens of our country. Tatars in Russia are not Arabs in Europe. These are our people.

[Leto]

Leto why did you give me a minus? Indigenous Muslims in Russia are full-fledged citizens of our country. Tatars in Russia are not Arabs in Europe. These are our people.
Yes, indigenous to their respective enclaves, not to Central or Western Russia. In most parts of Russia they're foreign (Russia is very large). To me Islam still sucks regardless of how indigenous it may be to certain parts of Russia. They're not MY people.

[rein]

Does this calculator separate Swedish and West Hunter Gatherers? Just asking because I’ve read in an article that these two groups looked different:

“About 8500 years ago, early hunter-gatherers in Spain, Luxembourg, and Hungary had darker skin: They lacked versions of two genes—SLC24A5 and SLC45A2—that lead to depigmentation and, therefore, pale skin in Europeans today.

But in the far north—where low light levels would favor pale skin—the team found a different picture in hunter-gatherers: Seven people from the 7700-year-old Motala archaeological site in southern Sweden had both light skin gene variants, SLC24A5 and SLC45A2. They also had a third gene, HERC2/OCA2, which causes blue eyes and may also contribute to light skin and blond hair. Thus ancient hunter-gatherers of the far north were already pale and blue-eyed, but those of central and southern Europe had darker skin.

Then, the first farmers from the Near East arrived in Europe; they carried both genes for light skin. As they interbred with the indigenous hunter-gatherers, one of their light-skin genes swept through Europe, so that central and southern Europeans also began to have lighter skin. The other gene variant, SLC45A2, was at low levels until about 5800 years ago when it swept up to high frequency.”

[Veles]

Yes, indigenous to their respective enclaves, not to Central or Western Russia. In most parts of Russia they're foreign (Russia is very large). To me Islam still sucks regardless of how indigenous it may be to certain parts of Russia. They're not MY people.
Muslim Tatars are not your people? And who are your people? Spaniards and Greeks? I am also not a supporter of religious fanatics. But if a Muslim is a secular person like me, then I do not see anything wrong with him. The task of the Russian people is not the persecution of Muslims, as Western Europeans want in their own countries, but the dictatorship of the law. Where the law will be the same for both Russians and Muslims. While the law is not on the side of the Russians. But this is not a problem of the Tatars or Bashkirs. This is our problemma. Problem of our mentality that needs to be changed. And the first thing we can do is finally choose another president.

[Veles]

Does this calculator separate Swedish and West Hunter Gatherers? Just asking because I’ve read in an article that these two groups looked different:

“About 8500 years ago, early hunter-gatherers in Spain, Luxembourg, and Hungary had darker skin: They lacked versions of two genes—SLC24A5 and SLC45A2—that lead to depigmentation and, therefore, pale skin in Europeans today.

But in the far north—where low light levels would favor pale skin—the team found a different picture in hunter-gatherers: Seven people from the 7700-year-old Motala archaeological site in southern Sweden had both light skin gene variants, SLC24A5 and SLC45A2. They also had a third gene, HERC2/OCA2, which causes blue eyes and may also contribute to light skin and blond hair. Thus ancient hunter-gatherers of the far north were already pale and blue-eyed, but those of central and southern Europe had darker skin.

Then, the first farmers from the Near East arrived in Europe; they carried both genes for light skin. As they interbred with the indigenous hunter-gatherers, one of their light-skin genes swept through Europe, so that central and southern Europeans also began to have lighter skin. The other gene variant, SLC45A2, was at low levels until about 5800 years ago when it swept up to high frequency.”
I will tell you a secret. This calculator does not see the WHG, only SHG. Therefore, all percentages of the SHG. The most interesting thing is that the SHG of ancient Sweden is more from Eastern Europeans than from Swedes.

[Mingle]

I'm still waiting on that Davdiski guy to upload more samples. There's a lot of disparity in some of the individuals so I know this isn't the final average.

You should filter out the outliers if there's a lot of disparity.

[Leto]

Muslim Tatars are not your people? And who are your people? Spaniards and Greeks? I am also not a supporter of religious fanatics. But if a Muslim is a secular person like me, then I do not see anything wrong with him. The task of the Russian people is not the persecution of Muslims, as Western Europeans want in their own countries, but the dictatorship of the law. Where the law will be the same for both Russians and Muslims. While the law is not on the side of the Russians. But this is not a problem of the Tatars or Bashkirs. This is our problemma. Problem of our mentality that needs to be changed. And the first thing we can do is finally choose another president.
Dude, I have an opinion but I don't wanna go into that 'cause it's off-topic.

[Mingle]

You got zero idea.ANE is a mix of uralic-Altaic component and is founding in the MAL-TA boy.R1 carriers have it.

And nope Pontians got almost none of this admixture.Our steppe admixture is limited only 4%.Just a noise!!!!

We are mostly CHG and Neolithic anatolia(Barcin) with some Levant Neolithic.

It's geographic origin is irrelevant, it's a West Eurasian component very common in Europeans in non-insignificant proportions: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tFAa7oxWpcNN-OdMMjBdb4NeWKG7EkpKMzZJVW2_MME/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=1145986956

[Leto]

It's geographic origin is irrelevant, it's a West Eurasian component very common in Europeans in non-insignificant proportions: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tFAa7oxWpcNN-OdMMjBdb4NeWKG7EkpKMzZJVW2_MME/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=1145986956
According to the sheet, Kurds are just about as much ANE as Latvians (21-22%).

[FinalFlash]

You should filter out the outliers if there's a lot of disparity.


Which filter options are the best?

[Mingle]

Which filter options are the best?

I usually use "30% and above", but the ideal is "25/30/40% and above".

[Livin]

It's geographic origin is irrelevant, it's a West Eurasian component very common in Europeans in non-insignificant proportions: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tFAa7oxWpcNN-OdMMjBdb4NeWKG7EkpKMzZJVW2_MME/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=1145986956

Keep dreaming...then Red Sea is also west eurasian if you want it this way!!!

[dosas]

"distance%=3.5114"

pen=0

dosas_scaled

Anatolian farmers ENF,43.2
Caucasus CHG,26.8
Near East,16.8
North Eurasian ANE,8.8
Native European SHG/WHG,4.4

Do I pass the test?

[Kaspias]

Kaspias_scaled,0.103579,0.08632,0.013199,-0.010982,-0.002462,-0.009761,0.00094,0.005077,-0.006136,0.000911,0.000162,-0.000749,0.002379,-0.005505,-0.012486,0.013524,0.015255,0.00152,0.007668,0.0043 77,-0.004866,-0.000247,0,0.010001,-0.002155

Thank you.

[dosas]

snip

Thank you.

"distance%=3.9146"

pen=0

Kaspias_scaled

Anatolian farmers ENF,34.2
Near East,19.8
North Eurasian ANE,17.4
Caucasus CHG,14.2
Native European SHG/WHG,8.6
East_Asian,5.8

[Veles]

"distance%=3.5114"

pen=0

dosas_scaled

Anatolian farmers ENF,43.2
Caucasus CHG,26.8
Near East,16.8
North Eurasian ANE,8.8
Native European SHG/WHG,4.4

Do I pass the test?
what is your nationality?

[dosas]

what is your nationality?

Lol?

It says, underneath my avatar: Greek.

[FilhoV]

Lots of insults here I think this is a good time to leave this here

https://youtu.be/EylafK1IwHE

[Black Wolf]

what is your nationality?

Could you run mine please?

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
B_W,0.0109,0.012,0.0132,0.0107,0.0096,0 .0034,0.0022,0.0009,0,-0.0005,0.0019,-0.0011,-0.0048,-0.0022,0.0057,0.0043,-0.0048,0.0044,-0.0006,-0.0023,0.0019,0.0023,-0.0002,0.005,0.0034

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
B_W_scaled,0.124067188128046,0.12186353 0229515,0.0497799284852841,0.034561165634278,0.029 5439902518262,0.00948228242566103,0.00517023403725 595,0.00207683653665858,0,-0.000911180552909247,0.00308538004142115,-0.00164853268090141,-0.00713571299871288,-0.00302769879611562,0.00773605713525954,0.00570135 247112472,-0.00625843430899454,0.00557429816210077,-0.000754188305398592,-0.00287637966895888,0.00237081631511174,0.00284401 300981553,-0.000246495436063226,0.00602494813255683,0.0040714 9112733897

[Veles]

Could you run mine please?

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25

B_W,0.0109,0.012,0.0132,0.0107,0.0096,0 .0034,0.0022,0.0009,0,-0.0005,0.0019,-0.0011,-0.0048,-0.0022,0.0057,0.0043,-0.0048,0.0044,-0.0006,-0.0023,0.0019,0.0023,-0.0002,0.005,0.0034

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25

B_W_scaled,0.124067188128046,0.12186353 0229515,0.0497799284852841,0.034561165634278,0.029 5439902518262,0.00948228242566103,0.00517023403725 595,0.00207683653665858,0,-0.000911180552909247,0.00308538004142115,-0.00164853268090141,-0.00713571299871288,-0.00302769879611562,0.00773605713525954,0.00570135 247112472,-0.00625843430899454,0.00557429816210077,-0.000754188305398592,-0.00287637966895888,0.00237081631511174,0.00284401 300981553,-0.000246495436063226,0.00602494813255683,0.0040714 9112733897
good European result
[1] "distance%=4.9673"

B_W_scaled

Anatolian farmers ENF,44.2
Native European SHG/WHG,25.4
North Eurasian ANE,16
Caucasus CHG,14.4

[Mortimer]

Seems as if russians and finns have the most hunter genes but finns have some small east asian russians don't so russians are the most white people on earth Lisa the mod is very light and nordic

[Mortimer]

Where I can get this too thanks

[michal3141]

Seems as if russians and finns have the most hunter genes but finns have some small east asian russians don't so russians are the most white people on earth Lisa the mod is very light and nordic

Balts are the most white and hence Baltic race:

[1] "distance%=9.1829"

Latvian

Native European SHG/WHG,55.2
Near East,19.2
Anatolian farmers ENF,10.6
Caucasus CHG,8.2
North Eurasian ANE,6.8

Having said that majority of Russians, Belarusians, Poles, some Ukrainians are also very white.

[Black Wolf]

good European result
[1] "distance%=4.9673"

B_W_scaled

Anatolian farmers ENF,44.2
Native European SHG/WHG,25.4
North Eurasian ANE,16
Caucasus CHG,14.4

Thank you...I find it interesting that you have included a North Eurasian ANE component in this calculator. I have not seen ANE on it's own in a calculator for a while now. Which references did you use for the ANE component?

[Leto]

Lisa the mod is very light and nordic
She shouldn't be a mod, this just goes to show what a troll carnival TA has become. She barely speaks English and thumbs down people for no reason. She also has no clue about genetics and has a strange obsession with Belorussians and Ukrainians (all she can post is weird and atypical photos of undefined origin, no actual genetic proof). I reported her in the past asking to remove her mod status but no one cared.

[karakartal]

Me, Kaspias and dosas have a similar results in this calculator.

[rein]

She shouldn't be a mod, this just goes to show what a troll carnival TA has become. She barely speaks English and thumbs down people for no reason. She also has no clue about genetics and has a strange obsession with Belorussians and Ukrainians (all she can post is weird and atypical photos of undefined origin, no actual genetic proof). I reported her in the past asking to remove her mod status but no one cared.

Isn’t she a mod of the Russian section?

[Leto]

Isn’t she a mod of the Russian section?
Don't know. I don't read it to be honest.

[Leto]

Balts are the most white and hence Baltic race:

[1] "distance%=9.1829"

Latvian

Native European SHG/WHG,55.2
Near East,19.2
Anatolian farmers ENF,10.6
Caucasus CHG,8.2
North Eurasian ANE,6.8

Having said that majority of Russians, Belarusians, Poles, some Ukrainians are also very white.
IMO the whitest ones in all senses are Northwestern and possibly some Central Europeans.

[rein]

IMO the whitest ones in all senses are Northwestern and possibly some Central Europeans.

Yes, Poles are the whitest.

[Leto]

Yes, Poles are the whitest.
I love Polish genetics, it's close to my ideal but I meant more Western places. Poland is neither Celtic nor Germanic. I don't consider Poland as a country to be Central European. Central Europe proper would be Austria and Czechia plus Western parts of Hungary and Slovakia as well as Eastern parts of Germany. Croatia and Slovenia could be regarded as South-Central IMO.

[rein]

I love Polish genetics, it's close to my ideal but I meant more Western places. Poland is neither Celtic nor Germanic. I don't consider Poland as a country to be Central European. Central Europe proper would be Austria and Czechia plus Western parts of Hungary and Slovakia as well as Eastern parts of Germany. Croatia and Slovenia could be regarded as South-Central IMO.

You may be right. Germanics do have the highest Neanderthal percentage, after all.

[michal3141]

IMO the whitest ones in all senses are Northwestern and possibly some Central Europeans.

In the context of this thread being the whitest = having the highest SHG/WHG admixture from mesolithic Europeans.
You can of course have a completely different definition of being white.
For instance Armenians may claim to be the whitest because they are the most caucasoid (and in America for some weird unscientific reason white=caucasoid).

[Veles]

Thank you...I find it interesting that you have included a North Eurasian ANE component in this calculator. I have not seen ANE on it's own in a calculator for a while now. Which references did you use for the ANE component?
Maltese boy MA 1. It's the only one I know.:)

[Veles]

They often ask questions. Did I pass or did I not pass? This PCA gives the answer to this question - whether you are in the club or not :D
https://i.ibb.co/Sm0rSNj/karta.png (https://ibb.co/hdHf0s6)
https://i.ibb.co/brPNWWN/karta2.png (https://imgbb.com/)

[Finnish Swede]

You may be right. Germanics do have the highest Neanderthal percentage, after all.

In Europe, Finns have the highest Neanderthal DNA rate with 1.2 percent.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/modern-humans-more-neanderthal-than-once-thought-studies-suggest/


Haplogroup U5 is estimated to be the oldest mtDNA haplogroup in Europe and is found in the whole of Europe at a low frequency, but seems to be found in significantly higher levels among Finns, Estonians and the Sami. Of modern nationalities, Finns are closest to Cro-Magnons in terms of anthropological measurements.

More than 80% of Finnish genes are from a single ancient North-European population, while most Europeans are a mixture of 3 or more principal components.

[Teutonski]

White European = 100% European DNA plus Caucasoid skull

[Veles]

White European = 100% European DNA plus Caucasoid skull
Swedes and Norwegians aren't white Europeans? :( If you dig into your DNA, you will find Yoruba and Nganasan in very small percentages. In multicomponent calculators, these components are hidden when they are few.

[dosas]

They often ask questions. Did I pass or did I not pass? This PCA gives the answer to this question - whether you are in the club or not :D
https://i.ibb.co/Sm0rSNj/karta.png (https://ibb.co/hdHf0s6)
https://i.ibb.co/brPNWWN/karta2.png (https://imgbb.com/)

Can you explain which of my results moves me away from the white euro club. I am genuinely curious?

[Leto]

They often ask questions. Did I pass or did I not pass? This PCA gives the answer to this question - whether you are in the club or not :D

You said Muslims and "black-asseds" were also "your people", so why do you even care who's in that "club"? Having a passport would suffice :rolleyes: xD
https://cdn22.img.ria.ru/images/rsport/87487/63/874876311_0:0:2823:2048_600x0_80_0_0_9e17d0943f7d2 257e5be2f3af77cd516.jpg

[Leto]

Swedes and Norwegians aren't white Europeans? :( If you dig into your DNA, you will find Yoruba and Nganasan in very small percentages. In multicomponent calculators, these components are hidden when they are few.
That's called NOISE. I for one have ZERO Negroid in me. But I am part mongoloid (about 6% on GED) and came to accept that as part of who I am.

[Teutonski]

Swedes and Norwegians aren't white Europeans? :( If you dig into your DNA, you will find Yoruba and Nganasan in very small percentages. In multicomponent calculators, these components are hidden when they are few.

I dont speak about very marginal numbers

[Teutonski]

Krvinich aka Veles is a known mongoloid that feels inferior

[Leto]

Krvinich aka Veles is a known mongoloid that feels inferior
He is 100% Russian but he is a sockpuppet. I tried to have him banned, Loki basically made me understand he didn't give a damn about socks and trolls.

[Veles]

Can you explain which of my results moves me away from the white euro club. I am genuinely curious?
Low SHG, High Levant :(

[Teutonski]

He is 100% Russian but he is a sockpuppet. I tried to have him banned, Loki basically made me understand he didn't give a damn about socks and trolls.

He is krvinich a bastard mix mongoloid

[Veles]

He is 100% Russian but he is a sockpuppet. I tried to have him banned, Loki basically made me understand he didn't give a damn about socks and trolls.
Durachek. In his opinion, we are Mongoloids because of our 1-3% Nganasans. :) You are very nervous, mate

[Leto]

He is krvinich a bastard mix mongoloid
That's not true, I've seen his DNA results, he's a normal Western/Central Russian. Or maybe you just somehow came to espouse 1930s Nazi ideas about Russia which are pretty much obsolete and irrelevant. In fact most right-wing Germans, aside from a very small NS fringe (the NDP got 0.7% in 2017 for ex), tend to be pro-Russian, even too much (in reality Putin is neither right-wing nor nationalist, but corrupt and authoritarian with a retarded "civic nationalist" ideology).

[Veles]

I dont speak about very marginal numbers
European = 30-40% EHG
EHG = WHG+ANE
ANE = 10-20% Siberian
Your Anatolian pedigree has removed the root European ANE, so it is difficult to catch it today, but it is there.

[Teutonski]

That's not true, I've seen his DNA results, he's a normal Western/Central Russian. Or maybe you just somehow came to espouse 1930s Nazi ideas about Russia which are pretty much obsolete and irrelevant. In fact most right-wing Germans, aside from a very small NS fringe (the NDP got 0.7% in 2017 for ex), tend to be pro-Russian, even too much (in reality Putin is neither right-wing nor nationalist, but corrupt and authoritarian with a retarded civic nationalist ideology).

Most Germans are retarded thats why we are where we are, so what most Germans think or do is completly irrelevant to prove your point.

[Leto]

Most Germans are retarded thats why we are where we are, so what most Germans think or do is completly irrelevant to prove your point.
You seem to be no better. I thought you were smarter to be honest.

[rein]

You said Muslims and "black-asseds" were also "your people", so why do you even care who's in that "club"? Having a passport would suffice :rolleyes: xD
https://cdn22.img.ria.ru/images/rsport/87487/63/874876311_0:0:2823:2048_600x0_80_0_0_9e17d0943f7d2 257e5be2f3af77cd516.jpg

He only said that he’s okay with native people of Siberia. Not those originating from outside of Russia.

[Veles]

He is 100% Russian but he is a sockpuppet. I tried to have him banned, Loki basically made me understand he didn't give a damn about socks and trolls.
Half of the users are puppets here, why do you want to ban Krivich? In Russia, do not like informers.
What is your evidence?

[Teutonski]

You seem to be no better. I thought you were smarter to be honest.

I dont even understand your problem with me, my ideas would all be good for Germany sadly most Germans rather redque zimbabwe than their own country.

[Leto]

Durachek. In his opinion, we are Mongoloids because of our 1-3% Nganasans. :) You are very nervous, mate
I don't care about him if he hold Nazi Party ideas about Russia but I do admit that we're not the purest whitest by any means. Though my family looks fine and I like it but at the end of the day one is unable to change his DNA, but is able to change his character which is the most important thing.

[Leto]

He only said that he’s okay with native people of Siberia. Not those originating from outside of Russia.
He's not the one who decides though. Putin is. :lol:

[Leto]

I dont even understand your problem with me, my ideas would all be good for Germany sadly most Germans rather redque zimbabwe than their own country.
You guys are not being replaced by Russians. In fact many Russian(-Germans) vote for the AfD and don't like Turks and refugees in Germany. Most Russians in Germany have some German ancestry or their family members do and also there's a number of women who married Germans. I know the situation in Germany relatively well, mein Freund.

[Veles]

He is krvinich a bastard mix mongoloid
Probably Krivich is Mongoloid, I don't know him. Here are my results.
https://i.ibb.co/kM9r8Sq/myH2.png (https://ibb.co/jHWxMr3)
https://i.ibb.co/5BPMF0b/image.png (https://imgbb.com/)

[Leto]

Half of the users are puppets here, why do you want to ban Krivich? In Russia, do not like informers.
What is your evidence?
I am not part of that prison culture, my friend. My dad served in the MVD.
You were banned multiple times. Not just once. That's against the rules.

[Teutonski]

You guys are not being replaced by Russians. In fact many Russian(-Germans) vote for the AfD and don't like Turks and refugees in Germany. Most Russians in Germany have some German ancestry or their family members do and also there's a number of women who married Germans. I know the situation in Germany relatively well, mein Freund.

Spätaussiedler are ethnic Germans, victims of Soviets why would I dislike them?

[dosas]

Low SHG, High Levant :(

Levant is the Near East result?

[Leto]

Probably Krivich is Mongoloid, I don't know him. Here are my results.

Can you please post your MDLP K23b in that thread?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?276301-MDLP-K23b-around-Eastern-Europe

[Harkonnen]

That's called NOISE. I for one have ZERO Negroid in me. But I am part mongoloid (about 6% on GED) and came to accept that as part of who I am.

Dude you are way more mongoloid than that.

[Mingle]

She shouldn't be a mod, this just goes to show what a troll carnival TA has become. She barely speaks English and thumbs down people for no reason. She also has no clue about genetics and has a strange obsession with Belorussians and Ukrainians (all she can post is weird and atypical photos of undefined origin, no actual genetic proof). I reported her in the past asking to remove her mod status but no one cared.

I think she was related to why that one Tatar guy (Elnar) left this forum. After he left, there was a thread about how she should be removed as mod and they had a poll on which Russians should replace her as mod. Nothing came out of it afaik.

[rein]

Dude you are way more mongoloid than that.

What’s the best way to find out?

[Veles]

Most Germans are retarded thats why we are where we are, so what most Germans think or do is completly irrelevant to prove your point.
Do not spoil this thread policy. Here we talk about the European Genetic Club, and not about Merkel.

[Harkonnen]

European = 30-40% EHG
EHG = WHG+ANE
ANE = 10-20% Siberian
Your Anatolian pedigree has removed the root European ANE, so it is difficult to catch it today, but it is there.

There is East Asian affinity even in WHG components. This is just hard facts.

[Leto]

I think she was related to why that one Tatar guy (Elnar) left this forum. After he left, there was a thread about how she should be removed as mod and they had a poll on which Russians should replace her as mod. Nothing came out of it afaik.
Elnar never appeared on TA after the crash of September 2015.

[Teutonski]

Do not spoil this thread policy. Here we talk about the European Genetic Club, and not about Merkel.

shut the fuck up

he brang up germany

[dosas]

Guys, I asked but no answer. Is Levant represented by the Near East category in this calculator?

[Mingle]

Elnar never appeared on TA after the crash of September 2015.

He left voluntarily before that. You don't remember that huge drama between them? I think it was cause she didn't like a Tatar representing Russia on TA.

[rein]

Guys, I asked but no answer. Is Levant represented by the Near East category in this calculator?

Yes.

[Veles]

Levant is the Near East result?
Sorry, I lost your question. Teuton floods a lot in this thread. Yes Levant = Middle East in this calculator.

[Leto]

He left voluntarily before that. You don't remember that huge drama between them? I think it was cause she didn't like a Tatar representing Russia on TA.
No, I was not part of any "drama". He wasn't a bad guy though I didn't agree with many of his views.
I'd like to see more of his results, I only have Eurogenes. If you know where to get them, maybe on another forum, please let me know.

[dosas]

Italian_Abruzzo
Anatolian farmers ENF,49.6
Near East,20
Caucasus CHG,13.6
Native European SHG/WHG,10.2
North Eurasian ANE,6.6


So the Italian Abruzzo in the OP is not considered white euro, either?

[Mingle]

No, I was not part of any "drama". He wasn't a bad guy though I didn't agree with many of his views.
I'd like to see more of his results, I only have Eurogenes. If you know where to get them, maybe on another forum, please let me know.

I wasn't either part of the drama but I remember the threads on it.

[Harkonnen]

What’s the best way to find out?

It sure is not some bogus admix calculator

Check this paper https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?200837-A-working-model-of-the-deep-relationships-of-diverse-modern-human-genetic-lineages-outside-of-Africa


While we did not carefully model present-day Europeans in our main admixture graph, we did build an extended graph with French added (25 individuals). A good fit was obtained with four ancestry components, related to western (K14), northern (near the base of the MA1 lineage), and eastern (specified as the same source as for MA1) Eurasians, plus Basal Eurasian (specified without Neanderthal introgression (Lazaridis et al., 2016)). The inferred proportions were 27.7%, 34.9%, 23.2%, and 14.2%, respectively, with essentially no change in the list of residuals.



I've always maintained Finns are at least 30% East Asians genetically. Also our skulls&faces are in Basic type within some sort of Australoid variation.

[karakartal]

They often ask questions. Did I pass or did I not pass? This PCA gives the answer to this question - whether you are in the club or not :D
https://i.ibb.co/Sm0rSNj/karta.png (https://ibb.co/hdHf0s6)
https://i.ibb.co/brPNWWN/karta2.png (https://imgbb.com/)

where i am?

[rein]

where i am?

Near the Turkish dot perhaps.

[karakartal]

@Veles;

Could you please add me this plot?

Thanks

[dosas]

Where is the Italian Abruzzo on that chart?

[karakartal]

Where is the Italian Abruzzo on that chart?

Also i want to see Turkish samples. It's will be good for us.

[dosas]

Also i want to see Turkish samples. It's will be good for us.

I believe this is an elaborate troll thread against southern euros/meds and the OP just got caught out. Serves us right for taking him at face value and contributing into his thread.

[karakartal]

I believe this is an elaborate troll thread against southern euros/meds and the OP just got caught out. Serves us right for taking him at face value and contributing into his thread.

I don't care they bullshit things. I'm just compare my results :)

[Rgvgjhvv]

Trolling or not, can somebody run my results for me?

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
MarkoK_scaled,0.118376,0.144205,0.000377,-0.024871,0.00954,-0.012271,0.000235,-0.000923,0.003068,0.014579,0,0.006444,-0.006244,0.01101,-0.014251,-0.01485,-0.005607,0.000127,0.008422,-0.005628,-0.005116,0.000989,0.006286,-0.005663,0.003233

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
MarkoK,0.0104,0.0142,0.0001,-0.0077,0.0031,-0.0044,0.0001,-0.0004,0.0015,0.008,0,0.0043,-0.0042,0.008,-0.0105,-0.0112,-0.0043,0.0001,0.0067,-0.0045,-0.0041,0.0008,0.0051,-0.0047,0.0027

[Veles]

Patience guys. I can not so fast. No trolling is not here. I write the facts. I do not juggle anything. I made a calculator which is interesting to me.

[Lucas]

I think it should be used only components from the same time period. WHG is much older than Anatolian Farmer etc.
Instead of Anatolian could be something like Basal used.

[Veles]

Trolling or not, can somebody run my results for me?

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25

MarkoK_scaled,0.118376,0.144205,0.000377,-0.024871,0.00954,-0.012271,0.000235,-0.000923,0.003068,0.014579,0,0.006444,-0.006244,0.01101,-0.014251,-0.01485,-0.005607,0.000127,0.008422,-0.005628,-0.005116,0.000989,0.006286,-0.005663,0.003233

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
MarkoK,0.0104,0.0142,0.0001,-0.0077,0.0031,-0.0044,0.0001,-0.0004,0.0015,0.008,0,0.0043,-0.0042,0.008,-0.0105,-0.0112,-0.0043,0.0001,0.0067,-0.0045,-0.0041,0.0008,0.0051,-0.0047,0.0027
[1] "distance%=3.6881"

MarkoK_scaled

Anatolian farmers ENF,48
Near East,17
Caucasus CHG,16.4
North Eurasian ANE,9.4
Native European SHG/WHG,9.2

[Veles]

I think it should be used only components from the same time period. WHG is much older than Anatolian Farmer etc.
Which component is better to use instead of the Anatolian farmer? I will replace ....

[Veles]

Also i want to see Turkish samples. It's will be good for us.
https://i.ibb.co/Ld4Z7Vt/karta22.png (https://ibb.co/PGB6Hqh)

[Rgvgjhvv]

[1] "distance%=3.6881"

MarkoK_scaled

Anatolian farmers ENF,48
Near East,17
Caucasus CHG,16.4
North Eurasian ANE,9.4
Native European SHG/WHG,9.2

Thanks. Where do I fit in comparison with everyone else?

[Veles]

Thanks. Where do I fit in comparison with everyone else?
https://i.ibb.co/qpjrMP9/karta22.png (https://ibb.co/JHtsRM2)
https://i.ibb.co/4KLKph6/karta223.png (https://ibb.co/8NwN91W)

[dosas]

They often ask questions. Did I pass or did I not pass? This PCA gives the answer to this question - whether you are in the club or not :D
https://i.ibb.co/Sm0rSNj/karta.png (https://ibb.co/hdHf0s6)
https://i.ibb.co/brPNWWN/karta2.png (https://imgbb.com/)


https://i.ibb.co/qpjrMP9/karta22.png (https://ibb.co/JHtsRM2)


So, Italian Abruzzo dot is not European, according to our OP.

/thread

[Voskos]

Interesting theory if you consider Greece Italy etc as non white since the second millenium BC.

[FilhoV]

Big thread

[ph2ter]

Am I black or white? :)

[1] "distance%=6.1438"

ph2ter

Anatolian farmers ENF,41.8
Native European SHG/WHG,31.6
Caucasus CHG,14.6
North Eurasian ANE,12

I want to be ploted on that PCA.

[Veles]

Am I black or white? :)

[1] "distance%=6.1438"

ph2ter

Anatolian farmers ENF,41.8
Native European SHG/WHG,31.6
Caucasus CHG,14.6
North Eurasian ANE,12

I want to be ploted on that PCA.
Welcome to the club!:thumb001:
https://i.ibb.co/phxKq9p/pca.jpg (https://ibb.co/Bnt6kSR)

[Veles]

I upgraded the links, the distance was reduced:
1. Native European SHG (7,4 thousand years ago) = (75% WHG + 25% EHG) pure Native European without Siberia.
2. Native European WHG (8 thousand years ago) pure Native European without Siberia.
2. North Eurasian ANE (24 thousand years ago) Has about 10-30% of Siberia
3. Anatolian farmer ENF (8.4 thousand years ago)
4. Caucasian hunter-gatherer CHG (ENF 50-60% + ANE 30%)
5. Nganassan - modern Northern Mongoloids
6. Yoruba - modern Negroids

The results are about the same, there is no point in processing. But in the future it is better to use these links.


,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Caucasian CHG:KK1,0.087644,0.106631,-0.086361,-0.002261,-0.08617,0.0251,0.028436,0.003923,-0.129464,-0.077086,-0.005359,0.023979,-0.056788,0.012386,0.030401,-0.032617,0.025034,-0.012289,-0.021117,0.033641,0.030821,-0.009398,0.009613,-0.022654,-0.001078
Nganassan:Nganassan1,0.05122,-0.408243,0.154997,0.000969,-0.159722,-0.085619,0.029141,0.04546,0.029451,0.01221,0.10474 1,0.01079,-0.002379,-0.017065,-0.024022,-0.025059,-0.01369,0.013936,0.026774,-0.001751,0.042051,-0.013849,0.033523,0.001084,0.013532
Nganassan:Nganassan2,0.054635,-0.396056,0.154619,0.001292,-0.150797,-0.084783,0.027261,0.042691,0.024543,0.012028,0.099 544,0.012139,-0.005946,-0.029864,-0.015201,-0.010209,0.003129,0.009502,0.021746,0.001,0.037684 ,-0.01422,0.032414,0.005302,0.009939
Nganassan:Nganassan3,0.046667,-0.404181,0.159522,0.000646,-0.160953,-0.084225,0.029376,0.041767,0.035792,0.011299,0.104 578,0.007343,-0.002379,-0.028626,-0.02633,-0.013789,-0.005867,0.014316,0.023254,-0.003627,0.040803,-0.015086,0.035865,-0.002289,0.011496
Nganassan:Nganassan7,0.050082,-0.419414,0.15198,-0.000323,-0.165262,-0.090639,0.028906,0.046152,0.034155,0.017312,0.108 151,0.008992,-0.004014,-0.025735,-0.020358,-0.007027,0.007041,0.018497,0.027779,0.000125,0.050 161,-0.018053,0.03796,0.004338,0.015208
Nganassan:Nganassan8,0.044391,-0.40215,0.150094,0.00646,-0.157876,-0.083388,0.025146,0.038998,0.027611,0.009294,0.100 031,0.008393,-0.001041,-0.034268,-0.024565,-0.013126,0.004433,0.012415,0.021746,-0.003126,0.047042,-0.002473,0.03303,0.003374,0.016166
Near East:Levant_N,0.0700015,0.170609,-0.0267755,-0.1493885,0.0315445,-0.070141,-0.0151585,-0.0148835,0.0751625,0.043281,0.008444,-0.013188,0.030996,-0.004266,-0.019883,0.007889,0.010105,-0.0081715,-0.009113,0.018071,-0.0052405,0.0072955,0.0015405,-0.0010845,-0.004431
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I0707,0.122929,0.184826,0.001886,-0.110144,0.054779,-0.048527,0.00141,-0.011769,0.036201,0.08474,0.011205,0.016335,-0.021704,0.002615,-0.038273,-0.014187,0.022817,0.001014,0.012947,-0.002751,-0.011979,0.009769,-0.008627,0.001687,-0.001557
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I0708,0.119514,0.173656,-0.003017,-0.101745,0.042469,-0.046854,-0.00094,-0.012461,0.021066,0.074717,0.009419,0.009142,-0.017542,0.000963,-0.041938,-0.007955,0.024251,0.000633,0.015209,-0.013882,-0.022336,0.009027,-0.012448,-0.012532,-0.007305
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I0709,0.119514,0.19092,0.008674,-0.108206,0.050163,-0.044065,-0.00282,-0.003923,0.038655,0.088202,0.00682,0.012289,-0.02334,0.001789,-0.042345,-0.023999,0.002477,-0.003674,0.011941,-0.019759,-0.006239,0.012242,-0.000493,-0.00723,-0.003113
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I0736,0.119514,0.183811,0.006788,-0.091732,0.049855,-0.049921,-0.0047,-0.006,0.04295,0.077815,0.012829,0.013338,-0.020961,-0.011423,-0.04058,0.005701,0.033378,-0.007475,0.007793,-0.007003,-0.015972,0.006306,-0.006039,-0.000964,-0.007544
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I0744,0.119514,0.186857,0.009428,-0.107883,0.058165,-0.052989,-0.00987,-0.011999,0.03027,0.082371,0.01023,0.01124,-0.031813,0.003578,-0.047909,-0.011668,0.022426,0.000633,0.005154,-0.007253,-0.012852,0,-0.004683,0.002289,0.001796
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I0745,0.118376,0.178733,-0.002263,-0.098838,0.049548,-0.046575,-0.00987,-0.002308,0.036814,0.075628,0.010068,0.014237,-0.017542,0.00812,-0.03583,-0.020949,0.005346,0.006334,0.020489,-0.014382,-0.01697,0.008037,0.001479,-0.009278,-0.004311
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I0746,0.120652,0.180764,0.012068,-0.092701,0.048317,-0.043507,-0.012926,-0.010615,0.034565,0.078908,0.010393,0.009591,-0.023786,0.006606,-0.048452,-0.027711,0.005607,0.004054,0.012947,-0.017383,-0.013102,0.011005,-0.006532,-0.005543,-0.002036
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1096,0.120652,0.184826,0.008297,-0.101745,0.051702,-0.044344,-0.005405,-0.003692,0.039269,0.083282,0.010718,0.017385,-0.02438,0.006468,-0.043838,-0.018032,0.026077,-0.00076,0.012821,-0.005878,-0.015722,0.00507,-0.005793,0.007832,-0.016406
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1097,0.120652,0.18178,-0.001886,-0.106591,0.054472,-0.048248,-0.00611,-0.007615,0.038246,0.084922,0.008607,0.014837,-0.022894,0.000413,-0.048859,-0.006629,0.021383,0.003294,0.013827,-0.015257,-0.013975,0.005564,-0.011462,-0.009278,-0.002515
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1098,0.114961,0.179749,-0.004148,-0.092701,0.040931,-0.045459,-0.001175,-0.010846,0.030679,0.068703,0.009743,0.007044,-0.019623,0.000688,-0.044516,-0.001326,0.032987,0.003294,0.006788,-0.001501,-0.01148,0.007914,0.007025,-0.002892,-0.00958
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1099,0.111547,0.19092,0.001508,-0.0969,0.055395,-0.04518,0.00329,-0.010615,0.037223,0.077997,0.006008,0.01109,-0.020515,0.00289,-0.039902,-0.016309,0.021644,0.00266,0.01345,-0.007629,-0.003743,0.002844,0.002588,-0.003133,-0.006347
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1100,0.112685,0.17264,-0.001131,-0.084949,0.049855,-0.054384,-0.00705,-0.002308,0.042336,0.088749,-0.003573,0.008842,-0.02557,-0.006744,-0.040309,-0.00769,0.031423,-0.00266,0.007919,-0.01063,-0.023708,-0.001484,0.003697,-0.003374,-0.001557
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1101,0.114961,0.179749,0.006411,-0.100776,0.054779,-0.043786,-0.00094,-0.000231,0.042541,0.078544,0.005684,0.008692,-0.022894,0.007432,-0.034744,-0.010209,0.01682,0.003927,0.018729,-0.006378,-0.020713,0.004699,-0.000616,-0.003133,-0.010298
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1102,0.106994,0.170609,0.00528,-0.097546,0.059703,-0.045459,-0.00423,-0.007846,0.030474,0.084558,0.005196,0.009891,-0.029583,-0.006193,-0.031894,0.001856,0.029597,0.002027,0.013073,-0.008754,-0.009109,0.010634,-0.003821,-0.003976,-0.002634
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1103,0.112685,0.169593,-0.006411,-0.10013,0.044008,-0.046854,-0.00705,-0.005538,0.039269,0.075992,0.011367,0.013488,-0.02215,-0.005505,-0.036644,-0.011535,0.019427,-0.002027,0.010433,-0.008004,-0.016346,0.005688,-0.011339,-0.009399,-0.007065
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1579,0.125205,0.184826,0.008297,-0.102068,0.056934,-0.050479,-0.004935,-0.004846,0.036814,0.089296,0.011692,0.013188,-0.031219,0.003441,-0.047231,-0.006762,0.017863,0.003674,0.011564,-0.015758,-0.013975,0.005812,-0.003204,-0.004217,-0.001557
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1580,0.125205,0.182795,0.003017,-0.105299,0.053241,-0.046854,-0.00282,-0.011076,0.039473,0.078179,0.007307,0.014537,-0.019326,-0.002477,-0.041123,0,0.035725,-0.001647,0.011816,-0.009004,-0.008111,0.004081,0.002588,-0.001205,-0.00491
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1581,0.114961,0.179749,0,-0.111759,0.060319,-0.048806,-0.00141,-0.00923,0.043359,0.085833,0.005521,0.015886,-0.021853,-0.003028,-0.043838,-0.000133,0.040158,0.003547,0.008799,-0.003752,-0.010482,0.00779,-0.011339,0.003615,-0.003592
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1583,0.117238,0.182795,0.003017,-0.108206,0.052317,-0.051037,-0.005875,-0.011769,0.040087,0.085469,0.012829,0.005095,-0.020812,0.002752,-0.033523,-0.004243,0.020731,0.001014,0.013827,-0.003001,-0.009234,0.002844,-0.003821,-0.008194,-0.003113
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1585,0.121791,0.180764,-0.001508,-0.100453,0.05201,-0.041834,-0.00517,-0.006692,0.035383,0.075628,0.008769,0.017085,-0.021258,0.003028,-0.042209,-0.000133,0.032987,-0.003041,0.013575,-0.006003,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.004807,0.00241,-0.009101
North Eurasian ANE:MA1,0.076261,-0.026404,0.037335,0.187664,-0.069551,0.045459,-0.048412,-0.058613,-0.021066,-0.071619,0.029879,-0.01079,0.015609,-0.046104,0.017372,0.021214,-0.007823,0.00152,-0.006411,0.001501,-0.029822,0.003957,0.012571,-0.006748,0.000239
Native European SHG:SHG:I0011,0.124067,0.099522,0.168573,0.188633, 0.087093,0.054105,-0.000235,0.013153,0.035587,-0.045012,0.001624,-0.024129,0.036125,-0.015001,0.028908,0.051843,0.007171,0.003294,-0.009553,0.03164,0.053531,0.011252,-0.019843,-0.092784,0.008143
Native European SHG:SHG:I0012,0.135449,0.084289,0.173476,0.195739, 0.092017,0.056894,-0.00752,0.009692,0.050517,-0.038999,-0.000325,-0.018434,0.032705,-0.016928,0.02823,0.052771,0.004433,0,-0.006913,0.035142,0.062016,0.016817,-0.021445,-0.104714,0.001317
Native European SHG:SHG:I0014,0.137726,0.083273,0.167064,0.190571, 0.078476,0.056336,-0.00517,0.006,0.036201,-0.038816,0.002273,-0.015286,0.032111,-0.009909,0.034066,0.046804,0.008084,0.006081,-0.005279,0.043771,0.04517,0.011994,-0.026991,-0.098689,0.006227
Native European SHG:SHG:I0015,0.137726,0.092413,0.160653,0.193155, 0.085247,0.058567,0.003995,0.01223,0.025565,-0.041368,-0.002923,-0.019782,0.031367,-0.018166,0.032301,0.051047,0.006128,0.000127,-0.00088,0.040269,0.049288,0.021887,-0.022308,-0.095315,0.008502
Native European SHG:SHG:sf12,0.133173,0.105615,0.174607,0.194124,0 .086478,0.061077,0.011281,0.015692,0.037837,-0.044648,0.002273,-0.018733,0.033895,-0.018166,0.03203,0.038981,-0.006128,0.005068,-0.003771,0.045022,0.042924,0.011376,-0.018734,-0.093266,0.002395
Native European WHG:WHG,0.123688,0.115770333,0.185166,0.187556333, 0.155208667,0.051223,0.015510667,0.036844333,0.090 263333,0.017859,-0.015697333,-0.015936,0.016253333,-0.005367,0.053564333,0.061256333,0.003607333,0.012 711333,-0.009008333,0.054901333,0.09633,0.011087333,-0.049175667,-0.161749667,0.017763
Native European WHG:WHG:I1875,0.130897,0.120848,0.191577,0.194447, 0.159107,0.048248,0.015746,0.040152,0.087332,0.007 472,-0.016076,-0.015436,0.017839,-0.003303,0.047909,0.047069,0.007302,0.018497,-0.003268,0.057027,0.087471,0.00915,-0.048436,-0.143153,0.01449
Native European WHG:WHG:Rochedane,0.118376,0.111708,0.178001,0.184 111,0.150182,0.044623,0.010575,0.034383,0.090809,0 .028064,-0.014615,-0.016186,0.013974,-0.002752,0.058767,0.069344,0.002738,0.014189,-0.015335,0.054151,0.101446,0.013231,-0.050778,-0.178579,0.019519
Yoruba:HGDP00944,-0.628304,0.061947,0.021496,0.01615,-0.001539,0.003347,-0.042067,0.049152,-0.050108,0.030616,-0.000974,0.003897,0.023191,-0.006468,0.00475,-0.004773,0.005737,-0.007601,0.00729,-0.002876,0.004991,0.000495,-0.006409,0.002771,-0.005029
Yoruba:NA18486,-0.627165,0.060932,0.019987,0.01615,0.001539,0.0178 49,-0.043947,0.043152,-0.050722,0.029522,0.006008,0.001199,0.01888,-0.00055,0.011672,-0.012729,0.00665,0.002027,0.008296,-0.007629,0.004617,0.007172,-0.000863,-0.003253,0.004191
Yoruba:NA18487,-0.627165,0.066009,0.021496,0.015181,0.002462,0.012 55,-0.050292,0.05169,-0.046836,0.031891,0.005359,-0.003447,0.027651,0.00234,0.015472,-0.011005,0.006258,-0.002027,0.005028,0.001751,-0.001622,-0.000124,-0.000986,0.001205,0.002155
Yoruba:NA18488,-0.63058,0.067025,0.020742,0.01615,0.001846,0.01506 ,-0.047002,0.050998,-0.052563,0.035172,0.004384,0.004946,0.025124,0.001 376,0.013843,-0.007027,0.009909,0.004307,0.007668,-0.002126,-0.000374,0.000742,-0.001972,-0.002048,-0.002994
Yoruba:NA18489,-0.627165,0.062963,0.021119,0.016796,0.001539,0.012 271,-0.048647,0.044537,-0.044177,0.035536,0.002598,-0.002248,0.019475,0.002202,0.01045,-0.011403,-0.00013,0.002027,0.008296,-0.006503,0.001996,0.003091,-0.00037,-0.005663,0.003832
Yoruba:NA18498,-0.627165,0.063978,0.026398,0.017765,-0.001231,0.009761,-0.040187,0.049613,-0.043973,0.03991,0.004709,-0.002548,0.023934,0.004817,0.015201,-0.011933,0.00678,-0.000127,0.004274,-0.001876,0.00574,0.007914,-0.001356,0.000361,0.000599
Yoruba:NA18499,-0.63058,0.057885,0.019987,0.011951,-0.001539,0.016176,-0.046297,0.044075,-0.048472,0.03098,0.003735,-0.001948,0.026016,0,0.016151,-0.011403,0.006128,-0.000253,0.002011,-0.004502,0.001248,0.002226,-0.000493,0.000723,-0.001557
Yoruba:NA18501,-0.631718,0.059916,0.020742,0.018088,-0.000615,0.016455,-0.037837,0.046383,-0.048063,0.029704,0.004872,0.002398,0.019921,0.003 028,0.013979,-0.020021,0.005737,0.001267,0.005782,-0.004252,0.006239,0.001855,-0.003821,0.001325,-0.000479
Yoruba:NA18504,-0.636271,0.061947,0.024136,0.017119,-0.001231,0.012271,-0.040187,0.047767,-0.049086,0.032802,0.007307,0.001499,0.019921,0.000 688,0.010043,-0.006364,0.012256,0.00266,0.00729,-0.004752,-0.002121,0.00136,-0.000863,0.001325,-0.00012
Yoruba:NA18505,-0.636271,0.062963,0.02489,0.016473,0.002154,0.0083 67,-0.043477,0.052152,-0.052972,0.033714,0.008119,0.003297,0.025124,-0.001927,0.011265,-0.007425,0.007823,-0.000507,0.003394,-0.001251,-0.000873,-0.001237,-0.003081,-0.000964,0.002395
Yoruba:NA18507,-0.628304,0.061947,0.02225,0.021964,0.002154,0.0131 08,-0.048647,0.045921,-0.050722,0.030616,0.004709,0.001649,0.02438,0.0049 54,0.014929,-0.001591,0.010691,0.003167,0.006913,0.001126,-0.002745,0.001978,0.000863,-0.000964,-0.007664
PEN = 0
My result:
[1] "distance%=6.6364"

Veles_scaled

Native European SHG,39.6
Anatolian farmer ENF,33.4
Caucasus CHG,13.4
North Eurasian ANE,12.6
Nganassan,1

[Mortimer]

Where I can get my results?

[Adam Janossy]

Please, add me to PCA. Thanks in advance :)

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Feodora_scaled,0.132035,0.132019,0.055437,0.026809 ,0.036007,0.014223,0.012456,0.005538,-0.002045,-0.005285,-0.006171,0.001199,-0.000297,0.010872,-0.008822,0.012463,0.025034,0.001647,0.007793,0.002 751,0.000125,-0.005688,0.002218,-0.009519,-0.000239

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Feodora,0.0116,0.013,0.0147,0.0083,0.0117,0.0051,0 .0053,0.0024,-0.001,-0.0029,-0.0038,0.0008,-0.0002,0.0079,-0.0065,0.0094,0.0192,0.0013,0.0062,0.0022,0.0001,-0.0046,0.0018,-0.0079,-0.0002

[karakartal]

I upgraded the links, the distance was reduced:
1. Native European SHG (7,4 thousand years ago) = (75% WHG + 25% EHG) pure Native European without Siberia.
2. Native European WHG (8 thousand years ago) pure Native European without Siberia.
2. North Eurasian ANE (24 thousand years ago) Has about 10-30% of Siberia
3. Anatolian farmer ENF (8.4 thousand years ago)
4. Caucasian hunter-gatherer CHG (ENF 50-60% + ANE 30%)
5. Nganassan - modern Northern Mongoloids
6. Yoruba - modern Negroids

The results are about the same, there is no point in processing. But in the future it is better to use these links.


,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Caucasian CHG:KK1,0.087644,0.106631,-0.086361,-0.002261,-0.08617,0.0251,0.028436,0.003923,-0.129464,-0.077086,-0.005359,0.023979,-0.056788,0.012386,0.030401,-0.032617,0.025034,-0.012289,-0.021117,0.033641,0.030821,-0.009398,0.009613,-0.022654,-0.001078
Nganassan:Nganassan1,0.05122,-0.408243,0.154997,0.000969,-0.159722,-0.085619,0.029141,0.04546,0.029451,0.01221,0.10474 1,0.01079,-0.002379,-0.017065,-0.024022,-0.025059,-0.01369,0.013936,0.026774,-0.001751,0.042051,-0.013849,0.033523,0.001084,0.013532
Nganassan:Nganassan2,0.054635,-0.396056,0.154619,0.001292,-0.150797,-0.084783,0.027261,0.042691,0.024543,0.012028,0.099 544,0.012139,-0.005946,-0.029864,-0.015201,-0.010209,0.003129,0.009502,0.021746,0.001,0.037684 ,-0.01422,0.032414,0.005302,0.009939
Nganassan:Nganassan3,0.046667,-0.404181,0.159522,0.000646,-0.160953,-0.084225,0.029376,0.041767,0.035792,0.011299,0.104 578,0.007343,-0.002379,-0.028626,-0.02633,-0.013789,-0.005867,0.014316,0.023254,-0.003627,0.040803,-0.015086,0.035865,-0.002289,0.011496
Nganassan:Nganassan7,0.050082,-0.419414,0.15198,-0.000323,-0.165262,-0.090639,0.028906,0.046152,0.034155,0.017312,0.108 151,0.008992,-0.004014,-0.025735,-0.020358,-0.007027,0.007041,0.018497,0.027779,0.000125,0.050 161,-0.018053,0.03796,0.004338,0.015208
Nganassan:Nganassan8,0.044391,-0.40215,0.150094,0.00646,-0.157876,-0.083388,0.025146,0.038998,0.027611,0.009294,0.100 031,0.008393,-0.001041,-0.034268,-0.024565,-0.013126,0.004433,0.012415,0.021746,-0.003126,0.047042,-0.002473,0.03303,0.003374,0.016166
Near East:Levant_N,0.0700015,0.170609,-0.0267755,-0.1493885,0.0315445,-0.070141,-0.0151585,-0.0148835,0.0751625,0.043281,0.008444,-0.013188,0.030996,-0.004266,-0.019883,0.007889,0.010105,-0.0081715,-0.009113,0.018071,-0.0052405,0.0072955,0.0015405,-0.0010845,-0.004431
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I0707,0.122929,0.184826,0.001886,-0.110144,0.054779,-0.048527,0.00141,-0.011769,0.036201,0.08474,0.011205,0.016335,-0.021704,0.002615,-0.038273,-0.014187,0.022817,0.001014,0.012947,-0.002751,-0.011979,0.009769,-0.008627,0.001687,-0.001557
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I0708,0.119514,0.173656,-0.003017,-0.101745,0.042469,-0.046854,-0.00094,-0.012461,0.021066,0.074717,0.009419,0.009142,-0.017542,0.000963,-0.041938,-0.007955,0.024251,0.000633,0.015209,-0.013882,-0.022336,0.009027,-0.012448,-0.012532,-0.007305
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I0709,0.119514,0.19092,0.008674,-0.108206,0.050163,-0.044065,-0.00282,-0.003923,0.038655,0.088202,0.00682,0.012289,-0.02334,0.001789,-0.042345,-0.023999,0.002477,-0.003674,0.011941,-0.019759,-0.006239,0.012242,-0.000493,-0.00723,-0.003113
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I0736,0.119514,0.183811,0.006788,-0.091732,0.049855,-0.049921,-0.0047,-0.006,0.04295,0.077815,0.012829,0.013338,-0.020961,-0.011423,-0.04058,0.005701,0.033378,-0.007475,0.007793,-0.007003,-0.015972,0.006306,-0.006039,-0.000964,-0.007544
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I0744,0.119514,0.186857,0.009428,-0.107883,0.058165,-0.052989,-0.00987,-0.011999,0.03027,0.082371,0.01023,0.01124,-0.031813,0.003578,-0.047909,-0.011668,0.022426,0.000633,0.005154,-0.007253,-0.012852,0,-0.004683,0.002289,0.001796
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I0745,0.118376,0.178733,-0.002263,-0.098838,0.049548,-0.046575,-0.00987,-0.002308,0.036814,0.075628,0.010068,0.014237,-0.017542,0.00812,-0.03583,-0.020949,0.005346,0.006334,0.020489,-0.014382,-0.01697,0.008037,0.001479,-0.009278,-0.004311
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I0746,0.120652,0.180764,0.012068,-0.092701,0.048317,-0.043507,-0.012926,-0.010615,0.034565,0.078908,0.010393,0.009591,-0.023786,0.006606,-0.048452,-0.027711,0.005607,0.004054,0.012947,-0.017383,-0.013102,0.011005,-0.006532,-0.005543,-0.002036
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1096,0.120652,0.184826,0.008297,-0.101745,0.051702,-0.044344,-0.005405,-0.003692,0.039269,0.083282,0.010718,0.017385,-0.02438,0.006468,-0.043838,-0.018032,0.026077,-0.00076,0.012821,-0.005878,-0.015722,0.00507,-0.005793,0.007832,-0.016406
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1097,0.120652,0.18178,-0.001886,-0.106591,0.054472,-0.048248,-0.00611,-0.007615,0.038246,0.084922,0.008607,0.014837,-0.022894,0.000413,-0.048859,-0.006629,0.021383,0.003294,0.013827,-0.015257,-0.013975,0.005564,-0.011462,-0.009278,-0.002515
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1098,0.114961,0.179749,-0.004148,-0.092701,0.040931,-0.045459,-0.001175,-0.010846,0.030679,0.068703,0.009743,0.007044,-0.019623,0.000688,-0.044516,-0.001326,0.032987,0.003294,0.006788,-0.001501,-0.01148,0.007914,0.007025,-0.002892,-0.00958
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1099,0.111547,0.19092,0.001508,-0.0969,0.055395,-0.04518,0.00329,-0.010615,0.037223,0.077997,0.006008,0.01109,-0.020515,0.00289,-0.039902,-0.016309,0.021644,0.00266,0.01345,-0.007629,-0.003743,0.002844,0.002588,-0.003133,-0.006347
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1100,0.112685,0.17264,-0.001131,-0.084949,0.049855,-0.054384,-0.00705,-0.002308,0.042336,0.088749,-0.003573,0.008842,-0.02557,-0.006744,-0.040309,-0.00769,0.031423,-0.00266,0.007919,-0.01063,-0.023708,-0.001484,0.003697,-0.003374,-0.001557
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1101,0.114961,0.179749,0.006411,-0.100776,0.054779,-0.043786,-0.00094,-0.000231,0.042541,0.078544,0.005684,0.008692,-0.022894,0.007432,-0.034744,-0.010209,0.01682,0.003927,0.018729,-0.006378,-0.020713,0.004699,-0.000616,-0.003133,-0.010298
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1102,0.106994,0.170609,0.00528,-0.097546,0.059703,-0.045459,-0.00423,-0.007846,0.030474,0.084558,0.005196,0.009891,-0.029583,-0.006193,-0.031894,0.001856,0.029597,0.002027,0.013073,-0.008754,-0.009109,0.010634,-0.003821,-0.003976,-0.002634
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1103,0.112685,0.169593,-0.006411,-0.10013,0.044008,-0.046854,-0.00705,-0.005538,0.039269,0.075992,0.011367,0.013488,-0.02215,-0.005505,-0.036644,-0.011535,0.019427,-0.002027,0.010433,-0.008004,-0.016346,0.005688,-0.011339,-0.009399,-0.007065
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1579,0.125205,0.184826,0.008297,-0.102068,0.056934,-0.050479,-0.004935,-0.004846,0.036814,0.089296,0.011692,0.013188,-0.031219,0.003441,-0.047231,-0.006762,0.017863,0.003674,0.011564,-0.015758,-0.013975,0.005812,-0.003204,-0.004217,-0.001557
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1580,0.125205,0.182795,0.003017,-0.105299,0.053241,-0.046854,-0.00282,-0.011076,0.039473,0.078179,0.007307,0.014537,-0.019326,-0.002477,-0.041123,0,0.035725,-0.001647,0.011816,-0.009004,-0.008111,0.004081,0.002588,-0.001205,-0.00491
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1581,0.114961,0.179749,0,-0.111759,0.060319,-0.048806,-0.00141,-0.00923,0.043359,0.085833,0.005521,0.015886,-0.021853,-0.003028,-0.043838,-0.000133,0.040158,0.003547,0.008799,-0.003752,-0.010482,0.00779,-0.011339,0.003615,-0.003592
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1583,0.117238,0.182795,0.003017,-0.108206,0.052317,-0.051037,-0.005875,-0.011769,0.040087,0.085469,0.012829,0.005095,-0.020812,0.002752,-0.033523,-0.004243,0.020731,0.001014,0.013827,-0.003001,-0.009234,0.002844,-0.003821,-0.008194,-0.003113
Anatolian farmer ENF:Barcin_N:I1585,0.121791,0.180764,-0.001508,-0.100453,0.05201,-0.041834,-0.00517,-0.006692,0.035383,0.075628,0.008769,0.017085,-0.021258,0.003028,-0.042209,-0.000133,0.032987,-0.003041,0.013575,-0.006003,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.004807,0.00241,-0.009101
North Eurasian ANE:MA1,0.076261,-0.026404,0.037335,0.187664,-0.069551,0.045459,-0.048412,-0.058613,-0.021066,-0.071619,0.029879,-0.01079,0.015609,-0.046104,0.017372,0.021214,-0.007823,0.00152,-0.006411,0.001501,-0.029822,0.003957,0.012571,-0.006748,0.000239
Native European SHG:SHG:I0011,0.124067,0.099522,0.168573,0.188633, 0.087093,0.054105,-0.000235,0.013153,0.035587,-0.045012,0.001624,-0.024129,0.036125,-0.015001,0.028908,0.051843,0.007171,0.003294,-0.009553,0.03164,0.053531,0.011252,-0.019843,-0.092784,0.008143
Native European SHG:SHG:I0012,0.135449,0.084289,0.173476,0.195739, 0.092017,0.056894,-0.00752,0.009692,0.050517,-0.038999,-0.000325,-0.018434,0.032705,-0.016928,0.02823,0.052771,0.004433,0,-0.006913,0.035142,0.062016,0.016817,-0.021445,-0.104714,0.001317
Native European SHG:SHG:I0014,0.137726,0.083273,0.167064,0.190571, 0.078476,0.056336,-0.00517,0.006,0.036201,-0.038816,0.002273,-0.015286,0.032111,-0.009909,0.034066,0.046804,0.008084,0.006081,-0.005279,0.043771,0.04517,0.011994,-0.026991,-0.098689,0.006227
Native European SHG:SHG:I0015,0.137726,0.092413,0.160653,0.193155, 0.085247,0.058567,0.003995,0.01223,0.025565,-0.041368,-0.002923,-0.019782,0.031367,-0.018166,0.032301,0.051047,0.006128,0.000127,-0.00088,0.040269,0.049288,0.021887,-0.022308,-0.095315,0.008502
Native European SHG:SHG:sf12,0.133173,0.105615,0.174607,0.194124,0 .086478,0.061077,0.011281,0.015692,0.037837,-0.044648,0.002273,-0.018733,0.033895,-0.018166,0.03203,0.038981,-0.006128,0.005068,-0.003771,0.045022,0.042924,0.011376,-0.018734,-0.093266,0.002395
Native European WHG:WHG,0.123688,0.115770333,0.185166,0.187556333, 0.155208667,0.051223,0.015510667,0.036844333,0.090 263333,0.017859,-0.015697333,-0.015936,0.016253333,-0.005367,0.053564333,0.061256333,0.003607333,0.012 711333,-0.009008333,0.054901333,0.09633,0.011087333,-0.049175667,-0.161749667,0.017763
Native European WHG:WHG:I1875,0.130897,0.120848,0.191577,0.194447, 0.159107,0.048248,0.015746,0.040152,0.087332,0.007 472,-0.016076,-0.015436,0.017839,-0.003303,0.047909,0.047069,0.007302,0.018497,-0.003268,0.057027,0.087471,0.00915,-0.048436,-0.143153,0.01449
Native European WHG:WHG:Rochedane,0.118376,0.111708,0.178001,0.184 111,0.150182,0.044623,0.010575,0.034383,0.090809,0 .028064,-0.014615,-0.016186,0.013974,-0.002752,0.058767,0.069344,0.002738,0.014189,-0.015335,0.054151,0.101446,0.013231,-0.050778,-0.178579,0.019519
Yoruba:HGDP00944,-0.628304,0.061947,0.021496,0.01615,-0.001539,0.003347,-0.042067,0.049152,-0.050108,0.030616,-0.000974,0.003897,0.023191,-0.006468,0.00475,-0.004773,0.005737,-0.007601,0.00729,-0.002876,0.004991,0.000495,-0.006409,0.002771,-0.005029
Yoruba:NA18486,-0.627165,0.060932,0.019987,0.01615,0.001539,0.0178 49,-0.043947,0.043152,-0.050722,0.029522,0.006008,0.001199,0.01888,-0.00055,0.011672,-0.012729,0.00665,0.002027,0.008296,-0.007629,0.004617,0.007172,-0.000863,-0.003253,0.004191
Yoruba:NA18487,-0.627165,0.066009,0.021496,0.015181,0.002462,0.012 55,-0.050292,0.05169,-0.046836,0.031891,0.005359,-0.003447,0.027651,0.00234,0.015472,-0.011005,0.006258,-0.002027,0.005028,0.001751,-0.001622,-0.000124,-0.000986,0.001205,0.002155
Yoruba:NA18488,-0.63058,0.067025,0.020742,0.01615,0.001846,0.01506 ,-0.047002,0.050998,-0.052563,0.035172,0.004384,0.004946,0.025124,0.001 376,0.013843,-0.007027,0.009909,0.004307,0.007668,-0.002126,-0.000374,0.000742,-0.001972,-0.002048,-0.002994
Yoruba:NA18489,-0.627165,0.062963,0.021119,0.016796,0.001539,0.012 271,-0.048647,0.044537,-0.044177,0.035536,0.002598,-0.002248,0.019475,0.002202,0.01045,-0.011403,-0.00013,0.002027,0.008296,-0.006503,0.001996,0.003091,-0.00037,-0.005663,0.003832
Yoruba:NA18498,-0.627165,0.063978,0.026398,0.017765,-0.001231,0.009761,-0.040187,0.049613,-0.043973,0.03991,0.004709,-0.002548,0.023934,0.004817,0.015201,-0.011933,0.00678,-0.000127,0.004274,-0.001876,0.00574,0.007914,-0.001356,0.000361,0.000599
Yoruba:NA18499,-0.63058,0.057885,0.019987,0.011951,-0.001539,0.016176,-0.046297,0.044075,-0.048472,0.03098,0.003735,-0.001948,0.026016,0,0.016151,-0.011403,0.006128,-0.000253,0.002011,-0.004502,0.001248,0.002226,-0.000493,0.000723,-0.001557
Yoruba:NA18501,-0.631718,0.059916,0.020742,0.018088,-0.000615,0.016455,-0.037837,0.046383,-0.048063,0.029704,0.004872,0.002398,0.019921,0.003 028,0.013979,-0.020021,0.005737,0.001267,0.005782,-0.004252,0.006239,0.001855,-0.003821,0.001325,-0.000479
Yoruba:NA18504,-0.636271,0.061947,0.024136,0.017119,-0.001231,0.012271,-0.040187,0.047767,-0.049086,0.032802,0.007307,0.001499,0.019921,0.000 688,0.010043,-0.006364,0.012256,0.00266,0.00729,-0.004752,-0.002121,0.00136,-0.000863,0.001325,-0.00012
Yoruba:NA18505,-0.636271,0.062963,0.02489,0.016473,0.002154,0.0083 67,-0.043477,0.052152,-0.052972,0.033714,0.008119,0.003297,0.025124,-0.001927,0.011265,-0.007425,0.007823,-0.000507,0.003394,-0.001251,-0.000873,-0.001237,-0.003081,-0.000964,0.002395
Yoruba:NA18507,-0.628304,0.061947,0.02225,0.021964,0.002154,0.0131 08,-0.048647,0.045921,-0.050722,0.030616,0.004709,0.001649,0.02438,0.0049 54,0.014929,-0.001591,0.010691,0.003167,0.006913,0.001126,-0.002745,0.001978,0.000863,-0.000964,-0.007664
PEN = 0
My result:
[1] "distance%=6.6364"

Veles_scaled

Native European SHG,39.6
Anatolian farmer ENF,33.4
Caucasus CHG,13.4
North Eurasian ANE,12.6
Nganassan,1

Could you please run for me the new links?
,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
TG_scaled,0.117238,0.108662,0.003017,-0.016473,0.004308,-0.011713,0.004935,0.002308,-0.008181,0.00492,-0.000487,0.002997,0.004311,0.000413,-0.009365,0.013657,0.02021,0,-0.001383,0.003877,-0.010606,0.000742,0.001602,-0.001446,0.001676

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
TG,0.0103,0.0107,0.0008,-0.0051,0.0014,-0.0042,0.0021,0.001,-0.004,0.0027,-0.0003,0.002,0.0029,0.0003,-0.0069,0.0103,0.0155,0,-0.0011,0.0031,-0.0085,0.0006,0.0013,-0.0012,0.0014

Also could you please add the PCA Kaspias's results?

Thanks

[Dick]

pen=0

"distance%=5.3573"



Anatolian farmer ENF,50.4
Native European SHG,24
Caucasian CHG,17
North Eurasian ANE,8.6

"distance%=6.6986"


Anatolian farmer ENF,58
Native European SHG,18.6
Caucasian CHG,13
Native European WHG,5.2
North Eurasian ANE,3.4
Nganassan,1.8

[Veles]

Please, add me to PCA. Thanks in advance :)

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Feodora_scaled,0.132035,0.132019,0.055437,0.026809 ,0.036007,0.014223,0.012456,0.005538,-0.002045,-0.005285,-0.006171,0.001199,-0.000297,0.010872,-0.008822,0.012463,0.025034,0.001647,0.007793,0.002 751,0.000125,-0.005688,0.002218,-0.009519,-0.000239

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Feodora,0.0116,0.013,0.0147,0.0083,0.0117,0.0051,0 .0053,0.0024,-0.001,-0.0029,-0.0038,0.0008,-0.0002,0.0079,-0.0065,0.0094,0.0192,0.0013,0.0062,0.0022,0.0001,-0.0046,0.0018,-0.0079,-0.0002
...

[Veles]

Please, add me to PCA. Thanks in advance :)

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25

Feodora_scaled,0.132035,0.132019,0.055437,0.026809 ,0.036007,0.014223,0.012456,0.005538,-0.002045,-0.005285,-0.006171,0.001199,-0.000297,0.010872,-0.008822,0.012463,0.025034,0.001647,0.007793,0.002 751,0.000125,-0.005688,0.002218,-0.009519,-0.000239

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Feodora,0.0116,0.013,0.0147,0.0083,0.0117,0.0051,0 .0053,0.0024,-0.001,-0.0029,-0.0038,0.0008,-0.0002,0.0079,-0.0065,0.0094,0.0192,0.0013,0.0062,0.0022,0.0001,-0.0046,0.0018,-0.0079,-0.0002
[1] "distance%=4.9323"

Feodora_scaled

Anatolian farmer ENF,45
Native European SHG,32.6
Caucasus CHG,16.6
North Eurasian ANE,5.8

[Veles]

Could you please run for me the new links?
,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
TG_scaled,0.117238,0.108662,0.003017,-0.016473,0.004308,-0.011713,0.004935,0.002308,-0.008181,0.00492,-0.000487,0.002997,0.004311,0.000413,-0.009365,0.013657,0.02021,0,-0.001383,0.003877,-0.010606,0.000742,0.001602,-0.001446,0.001676

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
TG,0.0103,0.0107,0.0008,-0.0051,0.0014,-0.0042,0.0021,0.001,-0.004,0.0027,-0.0003,0.002,0.0029,0.0003,-0.0069,0.0103,0.0155,0,-0.0011,0.0031,-0.0085,0.0006,0.0013,-0.0012,0.0014

Also could you please add the PCA Kaspias's results?

Thanks
[1] "distance%=3.8832"

TG_scaled

Anatolian farmer ENF,44.4
Caucasus CHG,19.4
North Eurasian ANE,14
Native European SHG,9.8
Near East,9.8
Nganassan,2.6

[karakartal]

[1] "distance%=3.8832"

TG_scaled

Anatolian farmer ENF,44.4
Caucasus CHG,19.4
North Eurasian ANE,14
Native European SHG,9.8
Near East,9.8
Nganassan,2.6

Thanks mate. Could you please run this new links for Turkish_Istanbul?

Best Regards

[Beowulf]

Target: k13:ivanK13
Distance: 3.9832% / 0.03983171
57.0 AnatolianfarmersENF
21.8 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
8.2 CaucasusCHG
7.4 NorthEurasianANE
5.6 NearEast

[Jingle Bell]

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 2.1836% / 0.02183556
45.6 Yoruba
23.4 AnatolianfarmersENF
11.0 NorthEurasianANE
10.6 NearEast
7.6 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
1.8 CaucasusCHG

[Marshall Theodore]

Calling ANE "eUropEan KomPonent" is the by far the most absurd thing on this thread...

[Pedro Ruben]

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 4.7519% / 0.04751923
50.8 AnatolianfarmersENF
20.0 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
10.2 NorthEurasianANE
8.2 CaucasusCHG
6.8 NearEast
4.0 Yoruba

Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 4.6020% / 0.04602018
52.6 AnatolianfarmersENF
20.4 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
9.4 NorthEurasianANE
6.6 NearEast
5.8 CaucasusCHG
5.0 Yoruba
0.2 East_Asian

Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 4.7862% / 0.04786237
58.0 AnatolianfarmersENF
20.8 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
10.0 NorthEurasianANE
7.8 CaucasusCHG
3.4 Yoruba

[Marshall Theodore]

Deleted

[gixajo]

;)

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.4546% / 0.04454591
59.4 AnatolianfarmersENF
24.6 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
9.4 CaucasusCHG
6.6 NorthEurasianANE

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 4.2230% / 0.04222970
63.6 AnatolianfarmersENF
19.0 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
9.2 NorthEurasianANE
6.8 CaucasusCHG
1.4 Yoruba

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 5.2173% / 0.05217299
58.0 AnatolianfarmersENF
27.2 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
7.8 CaucasusCHG
6.8 NorthEurasianANE
0.2 Yoruba

Edit:Nah removed first post...

[Leferena]

Target: Leferena_scaled
Distance: 4.8196% / 0.04819622
56.4 AnatolianfarmersENF
20.8 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
9.2 CaucasusCHG
7.4 NorthEurasianANE
5.4 NearEast
0.8 Yoruba

[Kriptc06]

Target: Kriptc_23nme
Distance: 2.5966% / 0.02596557
45.6 AnatolianfarmersENF
17.6 NorthEurasianANE
10.8 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
9.4 Yoruba
8.6 Amerindian
5.8 CaucasusCHG
2.2 NearEast

Target: Kriptc_23nme
Distance: 3.9997% / 0.03999747
48.4 AnatolianfarmersENF
32.4 NorthEurasianANE
9.2 Yoruba
5.6 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
3.0 East_Asian
0.8 NearEast
0.6 CaucasusCHG

[Boudin]

Target: boudin_scaled
Distance: 5.2068% / 0.05206795
52.6 AnatolianfarmersENF
24.2 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
12.8 NorthEurasianANE
10.0 CaucasusCHG
0.4 East_Asian

[vader]

Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 4.7870% / 0.04786962
58.4 AnatolianfarmersENF
20.0 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
9.0 NorthEurasianANE
8.4 CaucasusCHG
3.0 Yoruba
1.2 NearEast

Target: Luso_dad_scaled
Distance: 4.8596% / 0.04859594
57.8 AnatolianfarmersENF
21.0 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
8.6 NorthEurasianANE
7.6 CaucasusCHG
2.8 NearEast
2.2 Yoruba

Target: Luso_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.2199% / 0.04219905
56.4 AnatolianfarmersENF
20.0 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
9.6 CaucasusCHG
9.6 NorthEurasianANE
2.8 Yoruba
1.6 NearEast

[oszkar07]

Version 1
Target: Oszkar
Distance: 6.1009% / 0.06100884
44.2 AnatolianfarmersENF
32.0 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
14.4 CaucasusCHG
9.4 NorthEurasianANE

Version 2

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 5.7662% / 0.05766207
45.6 AnatolianfarmerENF
32.8 NativeEuropeanSHG
13.4 CaucasianCHG
8.2 NorthEurasianANE

[Eurafricanid]

I'm 50% European, so I added the other samples needed:

Target: Jgab602_scaled
Distance: 1.5192% / 0.01519168
47.0 Niger-Congo
28.8 AnatolianfarmersENF
9.8 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
6.2 NorthEurasianANE
4.4 CaucasusCHG
2.2 NearEast
1.6 South_Amerindian


Amerindians are heavily ANE, so that's why I got so little Amerindian (distant from the usual >2-3%), and also got a small boost in ANE. This model is kinda lacking Iberomaurusian, for Iberians and others, it doesn't change anything for me though, but that's not news to me.



Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt:TAF009,-0.162767,0.07718,-0.024513,-0.079135,0.009848,-0.047969,-0.052877,0.020538,0.13294,0.002005,0.025333,-0.026676,0.057978,-0.052985,0.072882,-0.034076,0.002347,-0.05625,-0.130475,0.04152,-0.026204,-0.120314,0.067909,-0.016508,0.012334
Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt:TAF010,-0.193499,0.083273,-0.03017,-0.088502,0.034776,-0.055499,-0.076378,0.019384,0.163619,0.008565,0.02111,-0.030573,0.07879,-0.046104,0.077496,-0.046141,-0.00665,-0.069805,-0.144176,0.036518,-0.042924,-0.129217,0.07629,-0.015303,0.018322
Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt:TAF011,-0.194638,0.085304,-0.021873,-0.088825,0.026774,-0.059961,-0.072148,0.019845,0.161165,0.002551,0.016564,-0.035818,0.080574,-0.051196,0.066367,-0.037523,0.012126,-0.071199,-0.14493,0.035767,-0.041427,-0.12662,0.068279,-0.011447,0.018441
Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt:TAF013,-0.196914,0.082258,-0.026398,-0.088502,0.032314,-0.057173,-0.074733,0.017768,0.156665,0.002369,0.02111,-0.036717,0.077898,-0.052159,0.072746,-0.038584,0.000913,-0.069552,-0.141285,0.039894,-0.035687,-0.125384,0.075428,-0.011206,0.020477
Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt:TAF014,-0.201467,0.079211,-0.018479,-0.083011,0.034468,-0.055499,-0.076848,0.014538,0.162596,0.002005,0.020461,-0.029374,0.078344,-0.054223,0.066503,-0.025192,0.017602,-0.063724,-0.151215,0.04127,-0.042176,-0.126126,0.077153,-0.014339,0.012693

[Russki]

https://sun9-52.userapi.com/impg/_6bd0B63YdrMwNiNu5cG1djqZqrG_eGjXuIB-Q/_7Y5djLoafk.jpg?size=630x480&quality=95&sign=9520a12e06c7f84a27e680c71a6f03e9&type=album

[Selene]

Target: Nixie_g25_scaled
Distance: 5.6826% / 0.05682574
44.0 AnatolianfarmersENF
27.0 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
15.0 CaucasusCHG
12.2 NorthEurasianANE
1.8 NearEast

[Laredo]

Real european = who has european genetic

But they are plenty Europeans 100% who don't look physically European at least that's what I see on daily basics on reddit, and trust me this has nothing to do with my OWD.

I've seen for example plenty of Syrians and Lebanese who would be racially assumed as white than many Portuguese and Italians/Greeks first.

[Marshall Theodore]

I've seen for example plenty of Syrians and Lebanese who would be racially assumed as white than many Portuguese and Italians/Greeks first.

So what? Lebanese and Syrians are still non-white from a objetive perspective (Genetics), but they're just muzzies with pale skin.

[Laredo]

So what? Lebanese and Syrians are still non-white from a objetive perspective (Genetics), but they're just muzzies with pale skin.

Keep In mind In the outside real world, at least In the America's If you look white regardless of your ethnicity or ancestry than that's how you are persive nobody has a DNA test on their forehead.

[Marshall Theodore]

Keep In mind In the outside real world, at least In the America's If you look white regardless of your ethnicity or ancestry than that's how you are persive nobody has a DNA test on their forehead.

People are very ignorant about race and ethnicity in general, labelling someone's race based on lookism is stupidity.

[Danjojo]

Target: Danjojo
Distance: 5.3664% / 0.05366417
43.8 AnatolianfarmerENF
34.0 NativeEuropeanSHG
11.8 CaucasianCHG
10.4 NorthEurasianANE

[vader]

But they are plenty Europeans 100% who don't look physically European at least that's what I see on daily basics on reddit, and trust me this has nothing to do with my OWD.

I've seen for example plenty of Syrians and Lebanese who would be racially assumed as white than many Portuguese and Italians/Greeks first.

and Spanish

[Annie999]

Keep In mind In the outside real world, at least In the America's If you look white regardless of your ethnicity or ancestry than that's how you are persive nobody has a DNA test on their forehead.

My great grandpa was 100% Lebanese, but he was blond and blue eyed and in Uruguay they called him "the english" lol. That was his nickname only because of his complexion. Needles to say they assumed him white.

[Marshall Theodore]

My great grandpa was 100% Lebanese, but he was blond and blue eyed and in Uruguay they called him "the english" lol.

Not white yet, just a depigmented kebab

[Viminacium]

Target: legiopatrianostra
Distance: 5.0671% / 0.05067145
51.4 AnatolianfarmersENF
23.0 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
17.8 CaucasusCHG
7.4 NorthEurasianANE
0.4 NearEast

50% NF vs. 50% HG, not bad not terrible.

[Kiel]

Target: Kiel_scaled
Distance: 5.2354% / 0.05235417
45.8 AnatolianfarmersENF
29.2 NativeEuropeanSHG/WHG
15.2 CaucasusCHG
9.4 NorthEurasianANE
0.4 NearEast

[Ænglishman]

ANE can mask East Eurasian admixture and isn't a perfect proxy for EHG116747. EHG is thousands of years younger than ANE and will have undergone significant drift and selection during that time, the same applies to CHG which is around half ANE. ANF is also mixed and doesn't perfectly correspond to near eastern which we can't perfectly simulate in calculators because we don't have access to paleolithic MENA samples. Natufian likely has minor admixture but it's the closest we are getting. Regardless using data from studies and then inferring information through mathematics is going to be more accurate than a calculator that isn't technically even designed for admixture and is two degrees of separation removed from the actual GATACA. Baltics are the most European followed by Scandinavians then western Finns then West Slavs then British and East Slavs afterward comes Germans then Central Europeans such as north French Hungarians and Yugoslavs then Basque then Southern Europeans followed by those European in name only such as Sardinians and Cypriots. For example if you break down everything into European HG and Near Eastern specific DNA based on averages, CHG is 50% MENA and ANF is 66% then Englishmen are 38% non-European all of it MENA, whereas Russians are only 34% MENA related due to having low WSH and lower ANF but almost all Russians are around 3% modern East Eurasian so Russians are around 1% more European than the English and very similarly European as to Irish and Scottish.