Interesting results for western Serbia

[Nikša]

Sample size: 156 tested Serbs from Mačva and Kolubara
Results are from Serbian dna project.
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R1a - 32,7%
I2 - 30,1%
E - 12,8%
G - 6,4%
I1 - 4,5%
R1b - 4,5%
J2 - 4,5%
N - 3,2%
J1 - 0,6%
T - 0,6%

[Pribislav]

Sample size: 156 tested Serbs from Mačva and Kolubara
Results are from Serbian dna project.
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R1a - 32,7%
I2 - 30,1%
E - 12,8%
G - 6,4%
I1 - 4,5%
R1b - 4,5%
J2 - 4,5%
N - 3,2%
J1 - 0,6%
T - 0,6%

In Podrinje R1a is even higher.

[Ayetooey]

Strong R1a. Proto slavo-Serb blood is high in this region.

How much I2a is Ph908, and how much Dinaric-North?

[Nikša]

Strong R1a. Proto slavo-Serb blood is high in this region.

How much I2a is Ph908, and how much Dinaric-North?

Almost all of I2 there is I2-PH908.

[Carpatz]

I'm curious to see the clade distribution of Serbian R1a

[Pribislav]

I'm curious to see the clade distribution of Serbian R1a

Nikša probably know better than me.

Of R1a among Serbs on average about 70% is Z280 and about 30% is M458. There is no other branches.

Only Serbs from Lika have higher M458 than Z280 (2/3 - 1/3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lika

[Ayetooey]

There was a very good map posted before which had the dominant R1a clade in every European country; I can't seem to find it, I just remember Bosnia/Serbia/Montenegro had the same clade.

[Pribislav]

There was a very good map posted before which had the dominant R1a clade in every European country; I can't seem to find it, I just remember Bosnia/Serbia/Montenegro had the same clade.

All Serbian R1a are Slavic clades.
"Aryan" Z93 does not exist among Serbs, and that is burial of theory about Iranic origin of proto-Serbs.

I heard Slavic clades of R1a among South Slavs are more diverse than among East and West Slavs, regardless of lower %.

[Ayetooey]

All Serbian R1a are Slavic clades.
"Aryan" Z93 does not exist among Serbs, and that is burial of theory about Iranic origin of proto-Serbs.

I heard Slavic clades of R1a among South Slavs are more diverse than among East and West Slavs, regardless of lower %.

Isn't there some clade of R1a that only exists in Croats though? And exists in only a few percent of Serbs. Its name escapes me.

[Pribislav]

Isn't there some clade of R1a that only exists in Croats though? And exists in only a few percent of Serbs. Its name escapes me.

On SDP there is over 400 Serbs who are tested as R1a. I think only one guy has non-Slavic R1a (he has Scandinavian Z284).

Some Croatian from Lika belong to "Aryan" R1a-Z93. But he is descendant of Lika Muslims which converted to Catholicism in late 17th century and probably have Anatolian Turk paternal origin.

Other Croatian who is R1a-Z93 has Ashkenazy Jewish paternal origin.

[MagnusDark]

All Serbian R1a are Slavic clades.
"Aryan" Z93 does not exist among Serbs, and that is burial of theory about Iranic origin of proto-Serbs.

I heard Slavic clades of R1a among South Slavs are more diverse than among East and West Slavs, regardless of lower %.

Isn’t most I2a1/R1a diversity around Romania/Poland? Perhaps the surviving free Dacians spread out again later, documented as Sklavenoi by chroniclers. Idk why but I feel Dacians May well be connected to Proto-Slavs. Perhaps they were an integral part of the ethnogenesis.

[HungryLion]

Isn't there some clade of R1a that only exists in Croats though? And exists in only a few percent of Serbs. Its name escapes me.

Mislim da misliš na tzv karpatsko dalmatinsku granu R1a, ona bi se mogla povezati sa Hrvatima. Mislim da je legitimno smatrati istu kao ekvivalent srpskoj PH908.

[Dick]

Isn’t most I2a1/R1a diversity around Romania/Poland? Perhaps the surviving free Dacians spread out again later, documented as Sklavenoi by chroniclers. Idk why but I feel Dacians May well be connected to Proto-Slavs. Perhaps they were an integral part of the ethnogenesis.

Like Thracian, Dacian had a lot of Scythian and Balto-Slavic words

[MagnusDark]

Like Thracian, Dacian had a lot of Scythian and Balto-Slavic words

Actually I think the prevailing theory at the moment is that Proto Thracian and Proto Dacian were both linguistically related closely with Proto-Balto-Slavic. Apparently the source population Proto Balto Slavs descend is the same as the former. Only difference being Thracians and Dacians representing an earlier migration from north of the Danube. The Proto Slavs could well be northern kin that were never under Roman or Greek sphere of influence and only expanded south later than their distantly related kin.

Or Ancient writers were as oblivious as modern ones that can’t differentiate between certain groups and there could have been vastly diverse loosely related languages that just didnt make the cut. Slavic for instance developed out of Church Slavonic which liturgically dominated intermixed and displaced all other diverse dialects that may have been spoken. It’s like Albania now where modern is basically killing kit all the archaic dialects and spoiling our language lol.

Proto Slavs could even be a northern dacian tribe undocumented by romans. Doesn’t it strike you as peculiar that the Wolf is a central symbol for Slavic folklore as it was for Dacians? And the hypothesized Proto Slavic tribe Neuri were not only Shamanistic like Dacians but would ritualistically wear wolf skins. The Gray Wolf was domesticated likely somewhere in Eastern Europe or Siberia, by hunter gatherers, more specifically EHG. EHG is tied to R1a and to some degree I2a by association. Proto-Thracians/Proto-Dacians/Proto-Balto-Slavs and even Germans revere the wolf. Seems like a long continued tradition dating back to the ancient past. I don’t believe in coincidence.

[Dick]

Actually I think the prevailing theory at the moment is that Proto Thracian and Proto Dacian were both linguistically related closely with Proto-Balto-Slavic. Apparently the source population Proto Balto Slavs descend is the same as the former. Only different being Thracians and Dacians representing an earlier migration from north of the Danube. The Proto Slavs could well be northern kin that were never under Roman or Greek sphere of influence and only expanded south later than their distantly related kin.

Proto Slavs could even be a northern dacian tribe undocumented by romans. Doesn’t it strike you as peculiar that the Wolf is a central symbol for Slavic folklore as it was for Dacians? And the hypothesized Proto Slavic tribe Neuri were not only Shamanistic like Dacians but would ritualistically wear wolf skins during certain rituals. The Gray Wolf was domesticated likely somewhere in Eastern Europe or Siberia, by hunter gatherers, more specifically EHG. EHG is tied to R1a and to some degree I2a by association. Proto-Thracians/Proto-Dacians/Proto-Balto-Slavs and even Germans revere the wolf. Seems like a long continued tradition dating back to the ancient past. I don’t believe in coincidence.

Maybe they were into zoophilia but then again the Romans believed that Remus and Romulus suckled a wolf when they were babies. Zoophilia...

Seriously though, Dacians seemed to have looked physically different from both Romans and Greeks if we go by ancient statues and busts.


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/90/92/17/90921790e5f5a3875b8b351a51acd6bd.jpg
https://jewamongyou.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/bust-iii.jpg
https://content3.cdnprado.net/imagenes/Documentos/imgsem/16/163c/163c7bc0-2d7b-4877-b02c-2ba2ddaceecc/622cd994-eba3-4134-b4fc-baef2ca7a178.jpg


Also, Dacian territory was supposedly all the way to the Baltic sea according to Agrippa.

[MagnusDark]

lol
Maybe they were into zoophilia but then again the Romans believed that Remus and Romulus suckled a wolf when they were babies. Zoophilia...

Seriously though, Dacians seemed to have looked physically different from both Romans and Greeks if we go by ancient statues and busts.


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/90/92/17/90921790e5f5a3875b8b351a51acd6bd.jpg
https://jewamongyou.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/bust-iii.jpg
https://content3.cdnprado.net/imagenes/Documentos/imgsem/16/163c/163c7bc0-2d7b-4877-b02c-2ba2ddaceecc/622cd994-eba3-4134-b4fc-baef2ca7a178.jpg


Also, Dacian territory was supposedly all the way to the Baltic sea according to Agrippa.

Very possible. Those Dacian busts seem very Cromagnid/Alpine/Pontid. The CM is obvious.

[Pribislav]

Isn't there some clade of R1a that only exists in Croats though? And exists in only a few percent of Serbs. Its name escapes me.

R1a-Z280>Y2613 is very common among chakavian Croatian. This clade is very rare among shtokavian Croatians and Serbs. Shtokavian Croatians and Serbs are I2-PH908 domination. It's well known than chakavian is real Croatian language and not shtokavin who is Serbian, so ethnic origin of so called shtokavian Croatians is clear.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

:rolleyes:

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

R1a-Z280>Y2613 is very common among chakavian Croatian. This clade is very rare among shtokavian Croatians and Serbs. Shtokavian Croatians and Serbs are I2-PH908 domination. It's well known than chakavian is real Croatian language and not shtokavin who is Serbian, so ethnic origin of so called shtokavian Croatians is clear.

Sorbs have 0% of PH908, and it is connected with Carpathian region that has everything to do with Croats and nothing to do with Serbs. Even your dna project admitted that. So yes, everything is perfectly clear.
your old homeland is absolute wasteland of PH908 while in ours biggest branch diversity is present
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Dervan.png

[Pribislav]

Sorbs have 0% of PH908, and it is connected with Carpathian region that has everything to do with Croats and nothing to do with Serbs. Even your dna project admitted that. So yes, everything is perfectly clear.
your old homeland is absolute wasteland of PH908 while in ours biggest branch diversity is present
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Dervan.png

Who cares for Sorbs... Serbs are not related with them.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Who cares for Sorbs... Serbs are not related with them.

Sorbs are White Serbs and every historian will say the same. You just invented some Nabsky Serbs story (pure falsification without any historical source) because Sorbs have 0% PH908 and that's great problem for you.
Dervan was Sorbian King and his country in East Germany was called Serbia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dervan

[Pribislav]

Sorbs are White Serbs and every historian will say the same. You just invented some Nabsky Serbs story (pure falsificatiuon without any historical source) because Sorbs have 0% PH908 and that's great problem for you.

Lusatian origin of Serbs is debunked by genetic.

Genetic confirmed relations of Serbs with Nabsky Srbove from western Czechia in I2-PH908.

[Cumansky]

..

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Lusatian origin of Serbs is debunked by genetic.

Genetic confirmed relations of Serbs with Nabsky Srbove from western Czechia in I2-PH908.

Nabsky Srbove don't exist and western Czechia has no PH908 apart from few families LMAO xD
PH908 has biggest diversity in Ukraine and guess who lived there.

Your original marker is R1a M458 that both Sorbs and minority of Balkan Serbs have.

[Pribislav]

Nabsky Srbove don't exist and western Czechia has no PH908 apart from few families LMAO xD
PH908 has biggest diversity in Ukraine and guess who lived there.

Your original marker is R1a M458 that both Sorbs and minority of Balkan Serbs have.

In western Czechia where Nabsky Srbove (Serbs) lived is the highest I2-Y3120 of all West Slavs.
https://www.poreklo.rs/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/haplogrupa-I2-Y3120.jpg?lang=lat

[Adam Janossy]

In western Czechia where Nabsky Srbove (Serbs) lived is the highest I2-Y3120 of all West Slavs.
https://www.poreklo.rs/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/haplogrupa-I2-Y3120.jpg?lang=lat

Fake map. I2-din is 25% in northwest Croatia.

https://i.imgur.com/Ejhb1pZ.gif

[Pribislav]

Fake map. I2-din is 25% in northwest Croatia.

With imigrants from Dalmatia and Herzegovina in the last 100 years maybe yes. There is no chance that natives of northwestern Croatia have 25% I2-din.

[Adam Janossy]

With imigrants from Dalmatia and Herzegovina in the last 100 years maybe yes. There is no chance that natives of northwestern Croatia have 25% I2-din.

There are no immigrants in that region so no. And number would be higher if Gypsyies weren't counted. There is no chance for eastern and southern Serbs to have high I2a.
But anyway maps made by Serbs are worthless, you are liars and propagandists.

By the way, northwest Croatia is mostly dinaric North.

[Ayetooey]

With imigrants from Dalmatia and Herzegovina in the last 100 years maybe yes. There is no chance that natives of northwestern Croatia have 25% I2-din.

I agree I2a-Din is not significant in that region; most of it is I2a-din North according to heatmaps I've seen. The high I2-PH908 only exists in Skutori, and mainland Dalmatians who ultimately have Herzegovina origin.

[Adam Janossy]

Funny how Slovenia has high I2a, but that it suddenly drops in Kajkavian region....hahaha :)))))

[Pribislav]

There are no immigrants in that region so no. And number would be higher if Gypsyies weren't counted. There is no chance for eastern and southern Serbs to have high I2a.
But anyway maps made by Serbs are worthless, you are liars and propagandists.

By the way, northwest Croatia is mostly dinaric North.

Kosovo Serbs (natives) have surprising high I2a on sample which I have seen. From Eastern Serbia there is very few tested, and nobody yet know genetic picture of that region.

[Ayetooey]

Southern Serbs from the project have a respectable amount of I2a.

I2 - 41,2%
E - 18,7%
R1a - 16,3%
J2 - 7,8%
R1b - 5,4%
G - 4,9%
I1 - 3,9%
J1+N+Q+L - 1,8%

[Adam Janossy]

I agree I2a-Din is not significant in that region; most of it is I2a-din North according to heatmaps I've seen. The high I2-PH908 only exists in Skutori, and mainland Dalmatians who ultimately have Herzegovina origin.

I2a-PH908 is highest in Ikavian Croats, and majority of people in Dalmatia do not have Herzegovina origin, I don't know here this fantasies are coming from.
Dalmatia has higher I2a than any place is Serbia.

But anyway, people from inner Dalmatia and Western Herzegovina are completely the same, separated by political border.
Just like people from Eastern Herzegovina and Western Montenegro are the same.

Western and Eastern Herzegovina are not that much related. So it is no suprise east has quite lower I2a and increased E-V13.

[Pribislav]

Southern Serbs from the project have a respectable amount of I2a.

I2 - 41,2%
E - 18,7%
R1a - 16,3%
J2 - 7,8%
R1b - 5,4%
G - 4,9%
I1 - 3,9%
J1+N+Q+L - 1,8%

I am sure that region with lowest I2a in Serbia (if we don't count Sandžakians) is Eastern Serbia due to a lot of Vlachs who lived there.

[Pribislav]

I2a-PH908 is highest in Ikavian Croats, and majority of people in Dalmatia do not have Herzegovina origin, I don't know here this fantasies are coming from.
Dalmatia has higher I2a than any place is Serbia.

But anyway, people from inner Dalmatia and Western Herzegovina are completely the same, separated by political border.
Just like people from Eastern Herzegovina and Western Montenegro are the same.

Western and Eastern Herzegovina are not that much related. So it is no suprise east has quite lower I2a and increased E-V13.

Samples for all Croatian regions are pretty small.

Sample for Herzegovinian Serbs is over 440 which is quite higher than for any Croatian region.


Herzegovinian Serbs (sample 440)

I2a - 45.23% (PH908 32.5%)
R1a - 15.45% (Z280 10.98%)
E-V13 - 12.5%
I1 - 6.59%
R1b - 5%
N2-P189.2 - 4.55%
J2a - 4.09%
G2a - 2.27%
J1 - 1.36%
L - 1.36%
J2b-M205 - 0.9%
I2-M223 - 0.23%


Kordun Serbs have about 50% I2a, but sample for them is quite smaller than for Herzegovinian Serbs.

[Adam Janossy]

Samples for all Croatian regions are pretty small.

Sample for Herzegovinian Serbs is over 440 which is quite higher than for any Croatian region.


Herzegovinian Serbs (sample 440)

I2a - 45.23% (PH908 32.5%)
R1a - 15.45% (Z280 10.98%)
E-V13 - 12.5%
I1 - 6.59%
R1b - 5%
N2-P189.2 - 4.55%
J2a - 4.09%
G2a - 2.27%
J1 - 1.36%
L - 1.36%
J2b-M205 - 0.9%
I2-M223 - 0.23%

Kordun Serbs have about 50% I2a, but sample for them is quite smaller than for Herzegovinian Serbs.

No problem, but for example on 23andme 80% of my Croatian matches are I2-dinaric. Maybe it isn't reliable because I have no north/east/central Croatian matches (despite having minor ancestry from there!!!).
Pretty much only Dalmatian and BiH Croats. Looking at 23andme counties of ancestry I am 100% southern. And south is very much lacking diversity-every hg is rare except I2a.

I match lot of Islanders and I2 is as high as in southern mainland.

[Pribislav]

No problem, but for example on 23andme 80% of my Croatian matches are I2-dinaric. Maybe it isn't reliable because I have no north/east/central Croatian matches (despite having minor ancestry from there!!!).
Pretty much only Dalmatian and BiH Croats. Looking at 23andme counties of ancestry I am 100% southern. And south is very much lacking diversity-every hg is rare except I2a.

I match lot of Islanders and I2 is as high as in southern mainland.

How you explain exotic haplogroups on some Dalmatian islands such as Q and C?

[Adam Janossy]

How you explain exotic haplogroups on some Dalmatian islands such as Q and C?

C is mongolic I guess. Perhaps mongols chasing King Bela to Klis fortress raped some women on their way. Q on Hvar and Korčula arrived from Levant with Jews, they assimilated this marker from Khazars I guess.

[Adam Janossy]

I have Q haplogroup match Croat on 23andme. Probably from Hvar.

[Pribislav]

C is mongolic I guess. Perhaps mongols chasing King Bela to Klis fortress raped some women on their way. Q on Hvar and Korčula arrived from Levant with Jews, they assimilated this marker from Khazars I guess.

Q is not too much exotic for Balkan. Montenegrin tribe Bratonožići have Q, probably from Jews who lived in Zeta in the middle age.

C and D are the biggest exotic for me in ex YU.
C except Croatian from Pašman carry 2 Sandžakian Muslims from Prijepolje. D carry one Sandžakian Muslim from Sjenica.

[Ayetooey]

I2a-PH908 is highest in Ikavian Croats, and majority of people in Dalmatia do not have Herzegovina origin, I don't know here this fantasies are coming from.
Dalmatia has higher I2a than any place is Serbia.

But anyway, people from inner Dalmatia and Western Herzegovina are completely the same, separated by political border.
Just like people from Eastern Herzegovina and Western Montenegro are the same.

Western and Eastern Herzegovina are not that much related. So it is no suprise east has quite lower I2a and increased E-V13.

Almost all of mainland Dalmatians have BIH or at least partial BIH origin; your small islands aren't relevant. All of your islands put together aren't even a quarter of the population of a single city on the mainland.

Eastern Herzegovina still has over 40% I2a, close to 45% which is not low at all, and also has significant I1/R1A. Either way, let's not act like 71% I2a1b, with 0 clad diversity in Herzegovinian Croats is normal because it isn't, that's almost unheard of across Europe to have such little Y dna diversity. Obviously a shit ton of inbreeding happened from a very small number of people.

[Pribislav]

Almost all of mainland Dalmatians have BIH or at least partial BIH origin; your small islands aren't relevant. All of your islands put together aren't even a quarter of the population of a single city on the mainland.

Eastern Herzegovina still has over 40% I2a, close to 45% which is not low at all, and also has significant I1/R1A. Either way, let's not act like 71% I2a1b, with 0 clad diversity in Herzegovinian Croats is normal because it isn't, that's almost unheard of across Europe to have such little Y dna diversity. Obviously a shit ton of inbreeding happened from a very small number of people.

There is no Serbian region where is I2a lower than 30%, and in most of Serbian regions is over 35%.

On the other hand some Croatian regions are almost without I2a, like Cres where I2a is only 3%.

[Adam Janossy]

Almost all of mainland Dalmatians have BIH or at least partial BIH origin; your small islands aren't relevant. All of your islands put together aren't even a quarter of the population of a single city on the mainland.

Eastern Herzegovina still has over 40% I2a, close to 45% which is not low at all, and also has significant I1/R1A. Either way, let's not act like 71% I2a1b, with 0 clad diversity in Herzegovinian Croats is normal because it isn't, that's almost unheard of across Europe to have such little Y dna diversity. Obviously a shit ton of inbreeding happened from a very small number of people.

Stop acting like inner Dalmatians and people from western BiH have any differences because they don't. Dalmatia is coast of Bosnia just like North Adriatic is coast of Panonnia.

[Adam Janossy]

There is no Serbian region where is I2a lower than 30%, and in most of Serbian regions is over 35%.

On the other hand some Croatian regions are almost without I2a, like Cres where I2a is only 3%.

Well Serbia was entirely Ottoman (except Vojvodina, but most people there are colonists) so population movement was free.
Border between Habsburg, Venetian and Ottoman Croatia was very sharp and except refugees population remained separated for centuries obviously.

Since when is Cres a region ?

[Cumansky]

Almost all of mainland Dalmatians have BIH or at least partial BIH origin; your small islands aren't relevant. All of your islands put together aren't even a quarter of the population of a single city on the mainland.

Eastern Herzegovina still has over 40% I2a, close to 45% which is not low at all, and also has significant I1/R1A. Either way, let's not act like 71% I2a1b, with 0 clad diversity in Herzegovinian Croats is normal because it isn't, that's almost unheard of across Europe to have such little Y dna diversity. Obviously a shit ton of inbreeding happened from a very small number of people.

If you are inbreeding strongest race I2, than cmon that not even inbreeding, that is genetic superiority.

All these brothers make NBA Petrovic, Divac, Kukoc, Nurkic, Bogdanovic's, Teodosic, Jokic, Zizic, Zubac, Musa, Stojakovic, Marjanovic, Pavlovic, Jaric, etc, etc, etc, Cedi Osman..

[Pribislav]

Stop acting like inner Dalmatians and people from western BiH have any differences because they don't. Dalmatia is coast of Bosnia just like North Adriatic is coast of Panonnia.

They are different because both Croatians and Serbs from Zagora don't originally use voice H, and coastal Dalmatians use H at least chakavians.

My ancestors used words without H such us: Smij (laugh), Grija (sin), Gra (beans), Snaa (snaha), Artija, Aljina, Ercegovina, Mavati (mahati), Oras (orah)...
Somethimes H is totally removed, and somethimes became J, V or S.

Zagora people don't had voince F as well, my ancestors used words: Vratar (fratar), Vritule (fritule), Pilip (Filip)...

[Adam Janossy]

They are different because both Croatians and Serbs from Zagora don't originally use voice H, and coastal Dalmatians use H at least chakavians.

My ancestors used words without H such us: Smij (laugh), Grija (sin), Gra (beans), Snaa (snaha), Artija, Aljina, Ercegovina, Mavati (mahati), Oras (orah)...
Somethimes H is totally removed, and somethimes became J, V or S.

Zagora people don't had voince F as well, my ancestors used words: Vratar (fratar), Vritule (fritule), Pilip (Filip)...

If you watch dialects, Croatia like Slovenia has extremel dialect differences - every village different dialect. Zlarin dialect of čakavian is entirely diffrent from čakavian on nearby other Islands not to mention North Adriatic čakavian-like entirely different languages. Same for Kajkavian - one in Podravina is completely different than one in Gorski kotar and they can't really understand each other. In Slovenia the same.

Štokavian is pretty boring dialect and bland, other than jat reflex it lacks diversity but that's because now we use neo-Štokavian which is artifical made language for Pan-Yugoslav purposes.

[Pribislav]

If you watch dialects, Croatia like Slovenia has extremel dialect differences - every village different dialect. Zlarin dialect of čakavian is entirely diffrent from čakavian on nearby other Islands not to mention North Adriatic čakavian
-like entirely different languages. Same for Kajkavian - one in Podravina is completely different than one in Gorski kotar and they can't really understand each other. In Slovenia the same.

Štokavian is pretty boring dialect and bland, other than jat reflex it lacks diversity but that's because now we use neo-Štokavian which is artifical made language for Pan-Yugoslav purposes.

Ignoring of voice H is typical for Dinaric shtokavians, except Dinaric Muslims. Non-Dinaric shtokavian use voice H.
"Oj curice iz Šujice aljine ti do guzice..." :) Some funny video of some Croatian Dinaric taliban from Livno-Duvno area.

Dalmatian chakavian is heavy shtokavian influenced. Chakavian in the purest form is on the islands of northern Adriatic, like in songs of Duško Jeličić.