Y-dna in Stari Vlah(south-western Serbia(Serbs only))

[Nikša]

Sample size: 218
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I2 - 45%
I1 - 17,4%
R1a - 11%
E - 11%
J2 - 7,8%
G - 2,8%
R1b - 2,3%
N - 2,3%
Q - 0,5%
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Proto-european power :)

[HungryLion]

Sample size: 218
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I2 - 45%
I1 - 17,4%
R1a - 11%
E - 11%
J2 - 7,8%
G - 2,8%
R1b - 2,3%
N - 2,3%
Q - 0,5%
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Proto-european power :)

wow :D

[Dick]

muh nI1ggas

[HungryLion]

muh nI1ggas

:viking4::costumed-smiley-083

[HungryLion]

muh nI1ggas

My ancestors from my mother's side ruled that part of Serbia, actually they come from stari Vlah..

[Pribislav]

Stari Vlah is part of Raška https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raška_(region)#Sub-regions


@ Nikša

Do you have statistic for whole Serbian part of Raška (for Serbs)?

[Dick]

Vlah..

https://i.giphy.com/media/rSfThXPyYzj4k/200w.webp

[HungryLion]

Stari Vlah is part of Raška https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raška_(region)#Sub-regions


@ Nikša

Do you have statistic for whole Raška (for Serbs)?


Y from( male) my mother's side is R1a..

[Pribislav]

Y from( male) my mother's side is R1a..

Borojevići?

[HungryLion]

https://i.giphy.com/media/rSfThXPyYzj4k/200w.webp

:cool:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/mkwikia/images/7/7a/Mortal_Kombat_Trilogy_-_Friendship_-_Johnny_Cage/revision/latest?cb=20120405170903

[HungryLion]

Borojevići?

Yes :)

[Pribislav]

Yes :)

Yea, they were Serbian nobility originally from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zlatibor

When Ottomans arrived they migrated to Herzegovina and later to Krajina (northwestern Bosnia and Banija).

Funny further origin of Svetozar Borojević is from Serbian nobility from Raška and Hrvoje and other Croatian mythomans say he was Croatian :picard1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetozar_Boroević

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Yea, they were Serbian nobility originally from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zlatibor

When Ottomans arrived they migrated to Herzegovina and later to Krajina (northwestern Bosnia and Banija).

Funny further origin of Svetozar Borojević is from Serbian nobility from Raška and Hrvoje and other Croatian mythomans say he was Croatian :picard1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetozar_Boroević

Imbecile, I said he considered himself Croatian. He despised Serbia, stop pretending like he has anything to do with you other than blood.


Boroević himself stated many times[5][6] that he was a Croat and that Croatia was his homeland,[4] and is often referred to as "Croatian".[4][7][8][9][10][11]

[HungryLion]

Yea, they were Serbian nobility originally from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zlatibor

When Ottomans arrived they migrated to Herzegovina and later to Krajina (northwestern Bosnia and Banija).

Funny further origin of Svetozar Borojević is from Serbian nobility from Raška and Hrvoje and other Croatian mythomans say he was Croatian :picard1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetozar_Boroević

this borojevic was a bad birth if I can say that :lol: But he have serbian origin without doubt.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

this borojevic was a bad birth if I can say that :lol: But he have serbian origin without doubt.

He is only Borojević of some relevance, others were bunch of nobodies.

[HungryLion]

Imbecile, I said he considered himself Croatian. He despised Serbia, stop pretending like he has anything to do with you other than blood.

Not so sure about that, but who cares anyway...

[Pribislav]

Imbecile, I said he considered himself Croatian. He despised Serbia, stop pretending like he has anything to do with you other than blood.

Stop spread lies ustashin mongrel!

He did not hate Serbs.
In war he fought against Italy, not against Serbia.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Not so sure about that, but who cares anyway...

He considered Serbia enemy and blamed it for starting the war and later end of Austria-Hungary and creation of Yugoslavia.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Stop spread lies ustashin mongrel!

He did not hate Serbs.
Im war he fought against Italy, not against Serbia.

Borojević very negative opinion of Serbia is well known. I am speaking about Serbia the country, not Serbs the people since he obviously has origin from them.

[HungryLion]

He is only Borojević of some relevance, others were bunch of nobodies.

Do not be stupid, there were a few poets, and harambasa/dukes...
Borojevici ruled the city of Niš, one, together with Ivan Crnojević, founded Cetinje..
I do not know a some more respectable Croatian family from that area?

[Nikša]

Stari Vlah is part of Raška https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raška_(region)#Sub-regions


@ Nikša

Do you have statistic for whole Serbian part of Raška (for Serbs)?

Stari Vlah+Raška(268):
I2 - 45,9%
I1 - 14,6%
E - 13,4%
R1a - 11,9%
J2 - 7,8%
G - 2,2%
R1b - 1,9%
N - 1,9%
Q - 0,4%

[HungryLion]

Borojević very negative opinion of Serbia is well known. I am speaking about Serbia the country, not Serbs the people since he obviously has origin from them.

But again they could not send him to fight against the Serbs, in fact he asked for it to not to be sent..

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Do not be stupid, there were a few poets, and harambasa/dukes...
Borojevici ruled the city of Niš, one, together with Ivan Crnojević, founded Cetinje..
I do not know a some more respectable Croatian family from that area?

There are no Croats in southern Serbia. If you mean Banovina I am not overly familiar with that area and all I know is that it's desert today.

[HungryLion]

Stari Vlah+Raška(268):
I2 - 45,9%
I1 - 14,6%
E - 13,4%
R1a - 11,9%
J2 - 7,8%
G - 2,2%
R1b - 1,9%
N - 1,9%
Q - 0,4%

that was something :D
I guess R1a drops bc of a newer Montenegrin population

[Pribislav]

Do not be stupid, there were a few poets, and harambasa/dukes...
Borojevici ruled the city of Niš, one, together with Ivan Crnojević, founded Cetinje..
I do not know a some more respectable Croatian family from that area?

Yes, I forgot to say. Serbian nobleman Ivan Borojević from Zlatibor was last mayor of Niš before Ottoman conquest. He return on Zlatibor when Ottoman took Niš.
Later he came to Cetinje and found Cetinje brotherhood Borojevići who are tested as R1a same as Krajina Borojevići.

[HungryLion]

There are no Croats in southern Serbia. If you mean Banovina I am not overly familiar with that area and all I know is that it's desert today.

Then it is not correct to call one of the more respectable families "nobodies".
I know, I am from there..

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Then it is not correct to call one of the more respectable families "nobodies".
I know, I am from there..

Alright, I guess you are correct about that.

[HungryLion]

Yes, I forgot to say. Serbian nobleman Ivan Borojević from Zlatibor was last mayor of Niš before Ottoman conquest. He return on Zlatibor when Ottoman took Niš.
Later he came to Cetinje and found Cetinje brotherhood Borojevići who are tested as R1a as Krajina Borojevići.

Yes, and aslo we should mention the Bosnian nobles Niksa and Stanisa Borojević.

[HungryLion]

btw If we go to the distant past then we should certainly mention the Duke of the Emperor's Dušan Pribil Borojević.
One of the best Dušan Duke.

[Pribislav]

btw If we go to the distant past then we should certainly mention the Duke of the Emperor's Dušan Pribil Borojević.
One of the best Dušan Duke.

I am pretty sure Serbian medieval nobility was pred. R1a.

Famous Serbian economist and my cousin Branko Dragaš who is R1a-M458 claim origin from Serbian medieval noble family Dejanović-Dragaš.
https://www.dragas.biz/poreklo-porodice-dragas-2/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dejanović_noble_family

My great-great-grandmother was Dragaš.
Branko is my cosin by 2 lines.

[Black Wolf]

Is there much data about Y-DNA from Eastern Serbia?

[Nikša]

Is there much data about Y-DNA from Eastern Serbia?

Sample from eastern Serbia is very small(only 87).

[Black Wolf]

Sample from eastern Serbia is very small(only 87).

All in Serbian DNA Project eh?

[Nikša]

All in Serbian DNA Project eh?

All of them are present in the table of Serbian dna project. Maybe sample is larger, but we can see results for only 87 of them.