Are conservatives dumber? According to science, they are!

[Oneeye]

Study links low intelligence with right-wing beliefs

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/study-links-low-intelligence-with-right-wing-beliefs/article543361/



Researchers have found a possible explanation for why certain people are prejudiced: they're less intelligent.

Children with lower general intelligence are more likely to become prejudiced as adults, according to a Brock University study.

The study, published in the journal Psychological Science, examined data from two large-scale British studies, and found lower intelligence scores in childhood were predictors of greater racism in adulthood, which the researchers controversially explain is brought about by adopting right-wing ideologies.

A secondary analysis of data from a U.S. study also showed those with poor abstract-reasoning skills were more likely to have anti-homosexual prejudice, partially linked to authoritarian attitudes.

Lead researcher Gordon Hodson told LiveScience that the results of the study indicate a vicious cycle, in which people with low intelligence are drawn to socially conservative ideologies. In turn, those ideologies can contribute to prejudices.

"Socially conservative ideologies tend to offer structure and order," he said, explaining why those with lower intelligence may gravitate toward the right. "Unfortunately, many of these features can contribute to prejudice."

The researchers found that people with lower intelligence also tended to have less contact with other races and groups, which, Dr. Hodson said, supports previous research that determined interacting with other groups is mentally challenging and cognitively draining.

What do you think? Does intelligence really determine your political stripe? And do your politics determine how prejudiced you are?

[North Sea]

Yeah , it does. I don't think a person that is intelligent can be ignorant and extreme right wing beliefs usually are based on a lot of ignorance.

[The Lawspeaker]

LOL @ Left-wing propaganda. We only need to look at what conservatives have created (stable societies and good economies) and at what leftists have created (social degradation, multiculturalism, economic problems and the failed ideology of socialism) to see which one works and which one doesn't.

[CordedWhelp]

Just more hit-pieces. You know they're getting desperate now...

[North Sea]

LOL @ Left-wing propaganda. We only need to look at what conservatives have created (stable societies and good economies) and at what leftists have created (social degradation, multiculturalism, economic problems and the failed ideology of socialism) to see which one works and which one doesn't.

Those societies weren't really created by people of far right but rather somewhere in the middle. Although I agree that far left is also based on ignorance.

Its not just the societies they have created but their beliefs. The far right has racial beliefs which is based on or comes from ignorance. The far left cannot think properly either.

Multiculturalism can be also blamed on the government and their lack of skills of integraring migrants/immigrants, which is usually both the far right and the far left to blame. You can still have a successful society that has a blend of many different people.

[The Lawspeaker]

Those societies weren't really created by people of far right but rather somewhere in the middle. Although I agree that far left is also based on ignorance.

Its not just the societies they have created but their beliefs.

Multiculturalism can be also blamed on the government and their lack of skills of integraring migrants/immigrants, which is usually both the far right and the far left to blame. You can still have a successful society that has a blend of many different people.

Name one that isn't a complete dictatorship and where a group of invaders or traitors hasn't taken the reigns from the existing group and live at their expense.

[pulstar]

Does intelligence really determine your political stripe? And do your politics determine how prejudiced you are?

Not necessarily. I wouldn't say people behind right-wing ideologies are more dumb. Extremes are, but they don't represent whole population. Same goes for other side. Left extremists are as dangerous. Extremism very often ends up by having your emotional side taking over the rational side, that is they make their decisions based on rage, jealousy, fear... and in that case you can conclude someone is less intelligent.

[Profileid]

American conservatives are incredibly retarded.

[bimf]

Expect from antifa white trash

[MissMischief]

Yes, they generally are. Conservatives seem to exhibit less cognitive ability than liberals do.

Just a recent study, using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, for example, found that the IQs of young adults who described themselves as "very liberal" averaged 106.42, whereas the mean of those who identified as "very conservative" was 94.82.

Science doesn't lie!

[bimf]

Yes, they generally are. Conservatives seem to exhibit less cognitive ability than liberals do.

Just a recent study, using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, for example, found that the IQs of young adults who described themselves as "very liberal" averaged 106.42, whereas the mean of those who identified as "very conservative" was 94.82.

Science doesn't lie!
1. Source please, you mention that, you link that. I dont think such an orgnization called "National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health" will do some research about people's iq based on politcal opinions/positions, this just dont make sense. Also I only accept the source links to the specific data or report on the official organisation page, not some fake news of unknown media.
2. Why do you think "very conservative" guys are representative for conservatives? Most conservative guys are normal right, moderate right or even classical librals who are pushed to right by nonsense leftists.

[MissMischief]

1. Source please, you mention that, you link that. I dont think such an orgnization called "National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health" will do some research about people's iq based on politcal opinions/positions, this just dont make sense. Also I only accept the source links to the specific data or report on the official organisation page, not some fake news of unknown media.
2. Why do you think "very conservative" guys are representative for conservatives? Most conservative guys are normal right, moderate right or even classical librals who are pushed to right by nonsense leftists.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0190272510361602?journalCode=spqc

[The Lawspeaker]

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0190272510361602?journalCode=spqc

Leftist study with Leftist results. It's pretty much of the same level as those Ahnenerbe studies of the 1930s.

[Smeagol]

Yes, they generally are. Conservatives seem to exhibit less cognitive ability than liberals do.

Just a recent study, using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, for example, found that the IQs of young adults who described themselves as "very liberal" averaged 106.42, whereas the mean of those who identified as "very conservative" was 94.82.

Science doesn't lie!

I guess you feel the same about racial differences in IQ?

[Oneeye]

Frankly, I'm surprised when a leftist can even change the oil.

[El_Abominacion]

Far right > Far left

The far right, while they might seem extreme to some, actually base their views on facts while the far left resort to calling anyone who disagrees with them a Nazi and push for complete anarchy, abolishment of private property and other stupid childish desires when they don't get what they want//lose a democratic election. It's already happening in both the UK and US, they show their true colours when things don't go as they plan. Left wing corporations openly censor right wing views and receive massive support from their majority left wing userbase. If we let these fools get their way we'll end up like China within a century.

[MissMischief]

Leftist study with Leftist results. It's pretty much of the same level as those Ahnenerbe studies of the 1930s.

Actually, several studies have shown that people who tend to hold more conservative views tend to score low on measures of intelligence.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797611421206

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.lindif.2013.12.001

This doesn't mean that ALL conservatives are stupid but overall, smart people tend to be socially liberal in their outlook.

[Cumansky]

Actually, several studies have shown that people who tend to hold more conservative views tend to score low on measures of intelligence.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797611421206

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.lindif.2013.12.001

This doesn't mean that ALL conservatives are stupid but overall, smart people tend to be socially liberal in their outlook.

No.

[Oneeye]

Actually, several studies have shown that people who tend to hold more conservative views tend to score low on measures of intelligence.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797611421206

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.lindif.2013.12.001

This doesn't mean that ALL conservatives are stupid but overall, smart people tend to be socially liberal in their outlook.

Blah blah rightwing = prejudiced bigots blah blah heres a study that shows it blah blah ignore the circular logic blah blah

[The Lawspeaker]

Actually, several studies have shown that people who tend to hold more conservative views tend to score low on measures of intelligence.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797611421206

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.lindif.2013.12.001

This doesn't mean that ALL conservatives are stupid but overall, smart people tend to be socially liberal in their outlook.

Commission a result and call it a study. That's maybe another reason why I hate the Left so much: they have corrupt scientific inquiry and turned it into a corrupt slot machine where you throw in some money and you get the sophistry you desire.

[Teutone]

Yes smart people prefer to endanger themselves by muslim hordes and want a nanny state dictating speech, trade and behaviour.

Also smart people think there are more than 2 genders and climate change can only be caused by humans.

The smartest think Islam is the religion of peace.

[Bosniensis]

It's always interesting to read threads by "Leftists". Here where I live Leftists/Liberals never existed only Far-Right Clerofascists (Orthodox, Catholic, Muslim)

What is Liberal, Leftist?

I have no idea... I know that TITO was Far-Left, but thats just a Red Fascism.

[Odin]

https://i.imgur.com/TyGoN1Z.png
https://i.imgur.com/EaxeVqw.jpg

[KMack]

"Socially conservative ideologies tend to offer structure and order," he said, explaining why those with lower intelligence may gravitate toward the right. "Unfortunately, many of these features can contribute to prejudice."

What is wrong with this? And what is wrong with prejudging someone? We all do it every day. I guess a progressive would walk up to some gang bangers hoping to get shot or stabbed, brilliant!

[XenophobicPrussian]

https://i.imgur.com/EaxeVqw.jpg
That doesn't mean anything. This is because the Democrats have all the minorities voting for them. Obviously when people say liberals are smarter than conservatives they're referring to whites only.

lol @ all the butthurt people who can't take someone else being smarter than them. Fyi liberal doesn't mean deranged Antifa with a degree in social anthropology. Liberals are naive and altruistic, not stupid. Altruism and caring about other people does correlate with intelligence, this feature of altruism is why the west became so great in the first place, not only intelligence.

People who actually have hearts and don't believe in flying horses are smarter than people who don't, Vermont is smarter than West Virginia, get over it.

That being said, fuck liberals and they must be fought back against with everything we have. I love it when liberals point out conservative stupidity then can't fathom or go insane when racial differences in intelligence are pointed out. Hypocritical, authoritarian(against freedom of association, free speech and Religious liberty ie. bake the cake bigot) scum.

[Phenix]

Did they take a panel of neo-cons or neo-nazis bodybuilders as representative of conservatives?

[Smeagol]

In Israel the vast majority of Jews are conservative and their average IQ is the same as IQ of Jews in the USA.

No it isn't because most Israelis are dumb Mizrahi Jews.

[Peterski]

No it isn't because most Israelis are dumb Mizrahi Jews.

Orthodox Jews are all Ashkenazi.

And Ashkenazis are still the majority in Israel, which is an immigrant society. Go back to 1900 and there were almost no Jews in what is now Israel (over 90% of the population were Arabs, Muslims and Christians).

[Morena]

I have a different take on this. I think that intellectuals are just as prone to certain vanities as others. If there is a particular idea that most intellectuals perceive as proper, and would win them acclaim, then they will follow it. They wouldn't want to be associated with the dumb, unwashed masses after all. For the intelligent, sometimes intellect is what they have that sets them apart from others. They may not be as athletic as the rest, or as charming, but at least they are more intelligent. This identity forms the core of their being, so they are rather shy of ideas that would push them away from the cool, smart crowd.

I noticed this a lot with liberals growing up. I was told, repeatedly, that conservatives were stupid starting about the age 16 from my peers. This only got worse once they all went to college and began to internalize the (largely) left-wing ideas that their professors were pushing. They were too young to realize they were being brainwashed, but that they did know is that those people that they held in high esteem had certain ideas. These ideas were associated with intelligence and education. Most of them have not moved to the center, but have stayed radically left. Most of them are childless as well.

I see this attitude with atheists as well, but that's another topic.

[Smeagol]

Orthodox Jews are all Ashkenazi.

And Ashkenazis are still the majority in Israel, which is an immigrant society. Go back to 1900 and there were almost no Jews in what is now Israel (over 90% of the population were Arabs, Muslims and Christians).

No they aren't. According to the 2009 Statistical Abstract of Israel, 50.2% of Israeli Jews are of Mizrahi or Sephardic (Usually North African or some other MENA) origin. Plus many of the "Ashkenazi" are mixed with these as well. Hence the average Israeli Jew IQ is only like 95.

[Ylla]

I agree somewhat but some conservative values are needed to maintain high standards in society, also some liberals seem naive/privileged. Otherwise yes, especially the very far right.

[Nazarene]

Fake News tbh

[MysteriousWays]

In Israel Arabs and other Non-Ashkenazis are liberal and Ashkenazim conservative - that's because the latter are in position of power, and until recently used to be the majority (Ashkenazis still have plurality even if they are "only" 40-something percent).

The behaviour of Swedes and Germans is also very different in America and in Europe. In America Swedes and Germans are among the most conservative ethnic groups (see the data on support for Trump in 2016 by ancestry). In contrast, Swedes in Europe are known as the most liberal nation on the continent.

No, in Israel, Ashkenazim tend to be liberal, non-Ashkenazi Jews tend to be conservative generally.

[MysteriousWays]

In Israel Arabs and other Non-Ashkenazis are liberal and Ashkenazim conservative - that's because the latter are in position of power, and until recently used to be the majority (Ashkenazis still have plurality even if they are "only" 40-something percent).

The behaviour of Swedes and Germans is also very different in America and in Europe. In America Swedes and Germans are among the most conservative ethnic groups (see the data on support for Trump in 2016 by ancestry). In contrast, Swedes in Europe are known as the most liberal nation on the continent.

No, in Israel, Ashkenazim tend to be liberal, non-Ashkenazi Jews tend to be conservative generally.

[XenophobicPrussian]

In Israel Arabs and other Non-Ashkenazis are liberal and Ashkenazim conservative - that's because the latter are in position of power, and until recently used to be the majority (Ashkenazis still have plurality even if they are "only" 40-something percent).

The behaviour of Swedes and Germans is also very different in America and in Europe. In America Swedes and Germans are among the most conservative ethnic groups (see the data on support for Trump in 2016 by ancestry). In contrast, Swedes in Europe are known as the most liberal nation on the continent.
I'm no expert on Israel, but I'm not so sure about that.

https://972mag.com/why-mizrahis-dont-vote-for-the-left/101769/

Israel is pretty liberal on social issues, btw. Just very militaristic(well that's arguable, they face an extreme threat). They're also not too Religious, about on the same level as the UK, Netherlands, Australia, New Zealand based on polls(China, Japan, Estonia, Sweden, Norway the least, Ethiopia, Malawi, Niger, Sri Lanka the most).

Also not sure about Swedes, Trump didn't win Minnesota. Germans sure, but German liberalness is overrated, especially South Germans. Reminder that gay marriage isn't even legal still in Germany, and the conservatives have been in power for a long time. The upper Mid-West is much more German than Scandinavian. The Upper Mid-West is also better described as libertarian than conservative(which is a branch of conservatism I suppose), libertarians might have a higher IQ than liberals.

The most liberal group among whites in the USA are Jews, and their average IQ is a dozen or so points higher than that of other whites.

When you argue that Democrat voters have low IQ because minorities are included, then why don't you acknowledge that once you remove all of liberal Jews from your sample of liberal whites, the average IQ of your remaining sample will significantly decline?

Show me a study from a truly mono-ethnic country such as Japan which shows that liberals have higher IQ than conservatives.
Israeli Ashkenazis do actually have a lower IQ than US Ashkenazis at 105.

I know a lot about the study MissMischief was speaking about. It was done on people from Ohio, not all Americans. The Jewish population of Ohio is 148k, or 1.3%. The white population is 9,187,000, so Jews are around 1.6% of whites. You can do the math there, Jews don't make a dent in overall white IQ.

Episcopal/Anglicans and Atheists(also more numerous) are as smart as Jews, and Methodists/Lutherans are also much smarter than the average white, and Episcopals/Anglicans/Methodists/Lutherans are also very liberal, especially compared to other denominations in the US. People love to blame Jews on third world immigration in the US but Lutheran Churches are also guilty, specifically in regards to refugees, they welcome a lot of them, as well as stuff like letting women become priests. Baptists? Not so much.

You also forget minorities like blacks and hispanics, while voting Democrat, are pretty much socially conservative. They're more Religious than US whites, oppose gay marriage more, go to church more often based on polling. They vote Democrat only because identity politics and free stuff.

I can see this not being the case in some places like eastern Europe, Greece, Scotland, Wales and Ireland, where the left is still working class rather than bourgeois champagne liberals, but in diverse places like the US, France, England where identity politics play a bigger role and the liberal cultural upheavals of the 60s/70s were more prevelant, liberal whites are definitely smarter than conservatives, overall.

[KMack]

No, in Israel, Ashkenazim tend to be liberal, non-Ashkenazi Jews tend to be conservative generally.

They should have let the German Americans manage this lol.
Buzz Aldrin offers condolences after Israel’s failed moon landing
It was one small message for Israel.

Israel, which failed in its bid to land its spacecraft softly on the moon, got a shoutout from someone who fared much better — famed astronaut Buzz Aldrin, the second man to walk on the lunar surface.

“Condolences to the Beresheet lander @TeamSpaceIL for what almost was!” the 89-year-old veteran of the Apollo 11 mission in July 1969 said on Twitter on Thursday.
https://nypost.com/2019/04/12/buzz-aldrin-offers-condolences-after-israels-failed-moon-landing/

[Richmondbread]

Study links low intelligence with right-wing beliefs

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/study-links-low-intelligence-with-right-wing-beliefs/article543361/




What do you think? Does intelligence really determine your political stripe? And do your politics determine how prejudiced you are?

And what groups are conducting these "studies"?

[Richmondbread]

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0190272510361602?journalCode=spqc

I suppose you never heard of confirmation bias. A group of liberals trying to prove they are smarter.

[Profileid]

I suppose you never heard of confirmation bias. A group of liberals trying to prove they are smarter.

at least they have jobs instead of draining the welfare system

[Richmondbread]

at least they have jobs instead of draining the welfare system

I see you've never heard of Detroit, San Fran, or Seattle. Most liberal cities run on welfare.

[Profileid]

I see you've never heard of Detroit, San Fran, or Seattle. Most liberal cities run on welfare.

You are on welfare. Most of your welfare money comes from California liberals that are paying for you to hate them. People in red states use a lot more welfare. You're a perfect example

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Yes, they generally are. Conservatives seem to exhibit less cognitive ability than liberals do.

Just a recent study, using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, for example, found that the IQs of young adults who described themselves as "very liberal" averaged 106.42, whereas the mean of those who identified as "very conservative" was 94.82.

Science doesn't lie!

I wonder how many of those same people think IQ tests are not legitimate unless, you know, they like the conclusion :P People who tend to be so called "liberal" tend to question the validity of IQ testing.

Anyway, it's not surprising that those that are "very liberal" would have higher average IQs in that people who are open minded will naturally be open to new experiences, which is a sign of intelligence in that you want to inform yourself about the world around you. However, lets not confuse extremes for the norm and "very anything" is an extreme.

[Dorian]

I wonder how many of those same people think IQ tests are not legitimate unless, you know, they like the conclusion :P People who tend to be so called "liberal" tend to question the validity of IQ testing.

Anyway, it's not surprising that those that are "very liberal" would have higher average IQs in that people who are open minded will naturally be open to new experiences, which is a sign of intelligence in that you want to inform yourself about the world around you. However, lets not confuse extremes for the norm and "very anything" is an extreme.

Yeah that's what I thought too..see the double standard here https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/dna-pioneer-james-watson-loses-honorary-titles-over-racist-comments-180971266/

[XenophobicPrussian]

I see you've never heard of Detroit, San Fran, or Seattle. Most liberal cities run on welfare.
Detroit is 80% black, nothing to do with Democrat or Republican. San Francisco and Seattle are actually some of the best and wealthiest big cities in the US.

[Richmondbread]

Conservatives are better looking in general. Give more to charity . More generous. Care about the well being of others. Who cares what some eggheads think?

[Richmondbread]

Detroit is 80% black, nothing to do with Democrat or Republican. San Francisco and Seattle are actually some of the best and wealthiest big cities in the US.

Is that why people are pooping in the street in San Francisco and Seattle? Because it's so wealthy?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld6qYJe4pRs

[de Burgh II]

Intelligence is irrespective of political affiliations. It is ze life experience and outlook on one's life that is a major determinant for political inclinations broskis and broettes. ;P

[Kivan]

LOL @ Left-wing propaganda. We only need to look at what conservatives have created (stable societies and good economies) and at what leftists have created (social degradation, multiculturalism, economic problems and the failed ideology of socialism) to see which one works and which one doesn't.

I make your words my own.

[TheOldNorth]

correction, according to left wing science. According to actual science, leftist are more emotional than logical

[Smitty]

Perhaps. Dumb people often accept obvious realities that geniuses are able to talk themselves out of.

[TheOldNorth]

Perhaps. Dumb people often accept obvious realities that geniuses are able to talk themselves out of.

If that were the case the world would be a lot better of a place

[Smitty]

If that were the case the world would be a lot better of a place

How so?

[Borealis]

LOL @ Left-wing propaganda. We only need to look at what conservatives have created (stable societies and good economies) and at what leftists have created (social degradation, multiculturalism, economic problems and the failed ideology of socialism) to see which one works and which one doesn't.

Where? Russia? The problem fundamentally is not about left or right...the most logical and efficient solutions to our current problems do not follow a conventional political ideology...

Who is taking overpopulation seriously, for example? Nobody. It is one of the biggest issues plaguing the world yet neither the left nor right has addressed it at all.

[TheOldNorth]

How so?

because the dumb would at least try to vote for better candidates for political positions

[TheOldNorth]

How so?

because the dumb would at least try to vote for better candidates for political positions

[Smitty]

because the dumb would at least try to vote for better candidates for political positions

Good point. But we don't know that the dumb aren't already doing that. Maybe the intelligent people are the problem.

I think smart people often over think . (They're also usually aware of their own intelligence and therefore tend to attach too much importance to their own ideas.) They follow trains of thought that can carry them far away from reality. In other words, they're so lost in their own heads, they lose sight of what's obvious to others. Intelligence isn't infallibility; our brains can be our biggest enemies, and that's never truer than for smart people.

Anyway, I don't actually think conservatives are stupider.

[TheOldNorth]

Good point. But we don't know that the dumb aren't already doing that. Maybe the intelligent people are the problem.

I think smart people often over think . (They're also usually aware of their own intelligence and therefore tend to attach too much importance to their own ideas.) They follow trains of thought that can carry them far away from reality. In other words, they're so lost in their own heads, they lose sight of what's obvious to others. Intelligence isn't infallibility; our brains can be our biggest enemies, and that's never truer than for smart people.

Anyway, I don't actually think conservatives are stupider.

Oh yes, I think that some smart people are left wing for just that reason

[Dick]

Most people take politics nowadays way too seriously and most don't even have a clue as to what it means to be either a conservative or liberal. One time I asked a chick why she's a liberal and she said because conservatives are racist. Oh okay. What else? idk. You have Harrys and Lloyds on both sides of the fence.

[The Lawspeaker]

Where? Russia? The problem fundamentally is not about left or right...the most logical and efficient solutions to our current problems do not follow a conventional political ideology...

Who is taking overpopulation seriously, for example? Nobody. It is one of the biggest issues plaguing the world yet neither the left nor right has addressed it at all.

Russia is faux-conservative and has been for a long, long time. See Texas, the Dutch Bible Belt, 19/early 20th century America, Britain and the Netherlands but also Switzerland to see actual conservative behaviour.

[Borealis]

Texas is a fucking joke in this country are you kidding me. It is synonymous with backwardness and ignorance.
Russia is faux-conservative and has been for a long, long time. See Texas, the Dutch Bible Belt, 19/early 20th century America, Britain and the Netherlands but also Switzerland to see actual conservative behaviour.

[GreentheViper]

Most mainstream conservatives are pretty dumb; the kind that don’t realize the world is more grey, than black and white.

[Matty74]

Only the stupid and naive will equate conservatism with alt-right or right wing extremist beliefs. The far left and alt-right have more in common with each other than they want to believe.

[Matty74]

Most mainstream conservatives are pretty dumb; the kind that don’t realize the world is more grey, than black and white.

I'm a mainstream independent conservative with three (going on 4) degrees. I'm hardly the village idiot. Most of us realize the world is a complicated "grey" place but your statement clearly indicates that you don't understand that.

[GreentheViper]

I'm a mainstream independent conservative with three (going on 4) degrees. I'm hardly the village idiot. Most of us realize the world is a complicated "grey" place but your statement clearly indicates that you don't understand that.

If Fox News and other right wing news sources are anything to gather or mainstream conservatives and their idiocy, then I’m safe in saying that I stand by what I said: they’re pretty dumb.

[XXXKanedaGUNDAM]

LOL @ Left-wing propaganda. We only need to look at what conservatives have created (stable societies and good economies) and at what leftists have created (social degradation, multiculturalism, economic problems and the failed ideology of socialism) to see which one works and which one doesn't.

Well to be fair, the conservatives have achieved similair means to an end as well and the results are results are quite comparable. I don’t understand the point of this thread, was it to freaking bait people!?

[XXXKanedaGUNDAM]

Orthodox Jews are all Ashkenazi.

And Ashkenazis are still the majority in Israel, which is an immigrant society. Go back to 1900 and there were almost no Jews in what is now Israel (over 90% of the population were Arabs, Muslims and Christians).
I thought it was mostly Israelis and those random middle eastern brown people (I can’t think of their name, just desert folk)l, I’m not sure what they are but they don’t look like Ashkenazi. I’m pretty sure most of them live in America, after teh holocaust.

Along with all teh other demographics that survived comparable to similair events to said holocaust.

Random brown desert man I see in Isreal:
https://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2010/09/21/Gabi_c0-779-2000-1944_s326x190.jpg?6c1d814e4c9ba51b59bb799d1b298c0e fb3a278f

That’s what I mean, “Mizoram” jews? Whatever.

[The Lawspeaker]

Well to be fair, the conservatives have achieved similair means to an end as well and the results are results are quite comparable. I don’t understand the point of this thread, was it to freaking bait people!?

To be frank: progressives never achieved anything. Except for tyranny or chaos. With a corresponding body count.

[XXXKanedaGUNDAM]

To be frank: progressives never achieved anything. Except for tyranny or chaos. With a corresponding body count.

With the opposite at times being, “the freedom to die as you choose” it depends how you look at things I guess *sigh*

[Matty74]

If Fox News and other right wing news sources are anything to gather or mainstream conservatives and their idiocy, then I’m safe in saying that I stand by what I said: they’re pretty dumb.

Exhibit A folks. It appears that you’ve been spoon fed everything you know.

[GreentheViper]

Exhibit A folks. It appears that you’ve been spoon fed everything you know.

Great argument bud!

[Matty74]

I’m not the one repeating nonsensical fallacies

[XenophobicPrussian]

I’m not the one repeating nonsensical fallacies
Sorry buddy, but you were the one who pulled the old nig nog argument: "I'm smart, therefore all conservatives are smart".


Only the stupid and naive will equate conservatism with alt-right or right wing extremist beliefs. The far left and alt-right have more in common with each other than they want to believe.
The Alt-Right are probably smarter than conservatives(save for the straight up neo-Nazi types, communists and neo-Nazis are the dumbest of the bunch), both are dumber than liberals.

[Smitty]

Texas is a fucking joke in this country are you kidding me. It is synonymous with backwardness and ignorance.

Baloney.

[Richmondbread]

Liberals think with emotion/feeling conservatives use facts/logic. It would be logical that conservatives, in general, are more intelligent, at least in that regard.

[Richmondbread]

Texas is a fucking joke in this country are you kidding me. It is synonymous with backwardness and ignorance.

Texas is a pretty nice state, with with lower crime rates overall. Well, up til now ,at least.

[KMack]

Texas is a fucking joke in this country are you kidding me. It is synonymous with backwardness and ignorance.

You are insane. It has a booming economy, littered with corporate HQs, huge net migration from other states.

Apple’s $1 billion Austin campus is just the latest big investment from top tier companies: Texas governor
The iPhone maker promises to develop a 133-acre complex to hold 5,000 employees, with room for an additional 10,000 more. It will be situated within a mile of Apple’s existing facility in the Texas capital.

In addition to Apple and medical supplier McKesson, Abbott said software giant Oracle opened a “massive” campus and investment firm Pimco announced an artificial intelligence facility — both in Austin.

“Those are just two of dozens of examples of what’s happening in Austin, Texas, just this year,” Abbott said, referring to the Oracle and Pimco projects.
Abbott also touted Texas, which topped CNBC’s 2018 Top State for Business list, as the leading choice for companies leaving California.

He cited a Dallas Business Journal article that reported that 13,000 businesses have left The Golden State since 2008 for “a better business climate,” with most settling in Texas.

Convenience store distributor Core-Mark, Toyota Motor North America, and Charles Schwab are a few other names that have moved their corporate offices or opened regional hubs in North Texas, according to the article.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/14/apple-1-billion-austin-campus-latest-big-firm-investment-texas-gov.html

[Teutone]

If Fox News and other right wing news sources are anything to gather or mainstream conservatives and their idiocy, then I’m safe in saying that I stand by what I said: they’re pretty dumb.

Fox News improved alot

Their biggest show Tucker Carlson shots redpills on a daily basis, Hannity is also very good.

The crazy neocons like O reily and Glenn are gone.

If we take news channels in account, what does it say about liberals and CNN?


https://youtu.be/afSzodfmjaE

[Oneeye]

Fox News improved alot

Their biggest show Tucker Carlson shots redpills on a daily basis, Hannity is also very good.

The crazy neocons like O reily and Glenn are gone.

If we take news channels in account, what does it say about liberals and CNN?


https://youtu.be/afSzodfmjaE

I hated Glenn Beck. O'Reilly is better now that he does his own thing.

[Teutone]

FOX news reported about white farmer killings

CNN and ABC say nothing happens, joke media.

Fox:


https://youtu.be/EThwj4NtnvU

CNN:


https://youtu.be/8Zp7suN3bgY

[GreentheViper]

Fox News improved alot

Their biggest show Tucker Carlson shots redpills on a daily basis, Hannity is also very good.

The crazy neocons like O reily and Glenn are gone.

If we take news channels in account, what does it say about liberals and CNN?


https://youtu.be/afSzodfmjaE


Hannity is an idiot. Carlson is pretty good tho, I’m in agreement.

Oh, and I’m in total agreement with you about CNN, I have the same opinion of it as I do Fox News. It’s not about left wing or right wings views, it’s about NPCs watching these news stations and taking everything they say at face value with no further research.

[Teutone]

I hated Glenn Beck. O'Reilly is better now that he does his own thing.

Glenn Beck is completly insane, a bitch criying around and stuck 2004.

I only give him credits for being the first exposing Soros in the 2000s


https://youtu.be/pPLm0-uAZbs

[Teutone]

Hannity is an idiot. Carlson is pretty good tho, I’m in agreement.

Oh, and I’m in total agreement with you about CNN, I have the same opinion of it as I do Fox News. It’s not about left wing or right wings views, it’s about NPCs watching these news stations and taking everything they say at face value with no further research.

What is the last fake news spreaded by FOX NEWS?

What is hannity doing wrong?

Fox News only has some warhawk commentators, but also Carlson who is always anti war. You dont have this viariety of opinions on the left.

Also Megyn is out too, another improvement.

[GreentheViper]

What is the last fake news spreaded by FOX NEWS?

What is hannity doing wrong?

Fox News only has some warhawk commentators, but also Carlson who is always anti war. You dont have this viariety of opinions on the left.

Also Megyn is out too, another improvement.


Again, it’s not about “fake news”, it’s about NPC viewing of the news stations, taking everything they say as gospel. I’ve seen this happen so many times for both mainstream conservatives and Fox News, as well as mainstream liberals and CNN. Not being able to create your own opinions, just going with whatever the people on TV tell you to think.

Hannity is a conspiracy theorist, and dosen’t contribute any where near the amount as Carlson does.

Carlson is anti-war, yes. But you also have Hannity who supported the Bushes and the wars in the Middle East. And Fox News’s track record of hosts isn’t good as well.

[Borealis]

To be frank: progressives never achieved anything. Except for tyranny or chaos. With a corresponding body count.

What do you think that the founders of western civilization were?

[Smeagol]

Tucker Carlson is great.

[The Lawspeaker]

What do you think that the founders of western civilization were?

Conservative in many ways as they wanted to preserve society and in order to preserve certain liberties you need law and order as enshrined in law and charters.

[Borealis]

Conservative in many ways as they wanted to preserve society and in order to preserve certain liberties you need law and order as enshrined in law and charters.

They were people who looked to the future and condemned much of their contemporary society. Voltaire comes to mind.

[Zmey Gorynych]

There was an italian communist (Antonio Gramsci) who coined the term/concept of cultural hegemony. If a person adheres to the values promoted by those who have cultural hegemony in any given society than that person is dumb. In the past conservatives would have been dumber, today leftist are dumber.

[XenophobicPrussian]

What is the last fake news spreaded by FOX NEWS?

What is hannity doing wrong?

Fox News only has some warhawk commentators, but also Carlson who is always anti war. You dont have this viariety of opinions on the left.

Also Megyn is out too, another improvement.
lol, FOX has plenty of fake news. An example would be the 70% of people in federal prisons being illegal aliens stat they mention a lot therefore illegals commit a lot more crime. While it isn't false, and illegals do commit much more crime than whites(not all native born Americans) that 70% stat is misleading and irrelevant because federal jurisdiction covers their cases more than natives, who will go to state prisons or county jails. Of course, liberals do the same thing with their much rolled out illegal alien crime rate study in Texas, saying since illegals commit less crime in Texas than native born citizens(and that isn't even getting into race), they commit less crime in America. Texas isn't demographically representative of America at all, not even close.

Another example would be claiming the AOC's Green New Deal wants to raise taxes on Americans, conveniently leaving out the part that it's only the top income bracket, not all Americans.

Hannity is an absolute moron. I would agree the left engages in more lying/fake news though.

Also, what in the world? You don't think there are anti-war liberals? American conservatives are something like 80/20% supportive of Israel, while white democrats are only 50/50. Plenty of Democrats that are anti-war and anti-Israel. Who do you think supports these wars? I guarantee you there are A LOT more white conservatives who actually think the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan kept America safe and were crucial than white Democrats.

[XenophobicPrussian]

You are insane. It has a booming economy, littered with corporate HQs, huge net migration from other states.

Apple’s $1 billion Austin campus is just the latest big investment from top tier companies: Texas governor
The iPhone maker promises to develop a 133-acre complex to hold 5,000 employees, with room for an additional 10,000 more. It will be situated within a mile of Apple’s existing facility in the Texas capital.

In addition to Apple and medical supplier McKesson, Abbott said software giant Oracle opened a “massive” campus and investment firm Pimco announced an artificial intelligence facility — both in Austin.

“Those are just two of dozens of examples of what’s happening in Austin, Texas, just this year,” Abbott said, referring to the Oracle and Pimco projects.
Abbott also touted Texas, which topped CNBC’s 2018 Top State for Business list, as the leading choice for companies leaving California.

He cited a Dallas Business Journal article that reported that 13,000 businesses have left The Golden State since 2008 for “a better business climate,” with most settling in Texas.

Convenience store distributor Core-Mark, Toyota Motor North America, and Charles Schwab are a few other names that have moved their corporate offices or opened regional hubs in North Texas, according to the article.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/14/apple-1-billion-austin-campus-latest-big-firm-investment-texas-gov.html
The argument about California businesses and Californians moving to Texas because of the better business climate is more an actual argument for conservatism being the better system, not whether conservatives are smarter or not.

Also lol, everyone knows Austin isn't Texas. Liberal enclave. I don't disagree with you that Texas whites are actually very wealthy, score well on SATs, but it had A LOT of migration from the west and north east during the oil boom. Who knows how much of that are native sons of Texas. Kind of like how North Carolina can't really be considered a southern state anymore because of how many northern transplants there are.

[Richmondbread]

lol, FOX has plenty of fake news. An example would be the 70% of people in federal prisons being illegal aliens stat they mention a lot therefore illegals commit a lot more crime. While it isn't false, and illegals do commit much more crime than whites(not all native born Americans) that 70% stat is misleading and irrelevant because federal jurisdiction covers their cases more than natives, who will go to state prisons or county jails. Of course, liberals do the same thing with their much rolled out illegal alien crime rate study in Texas, saying since illegals commit less crime in Texas than native born citizens(and that isn't even getting into race), they commit less crime in America. Texas isn't demographically representative of America at all, not even close.

Another example would be claiming the AOC's Green New Deal wants to raise taxes on Americans, conveniently leaving out the part that it's only the top income bracket, not all Americans.

Hannity is an absolute moron. I would agree the left engages in more lying/fake news though.

Also, what in the world? You don't think there are anti-war liberals? American conservatives are something like 80/20% supportive of Israel, while white democrats are only 50/50. Plenty of Democrats that are anti-war and anti-Israel. Who do you think supports these wars? I guarantee you there are A LOT more white conservatives who actually think the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan kept America safe and were crucial than white Democrats.

Fox has become much more liberal in recent years, and is becoming another CNN as it moves more towards sensationalist reporting. But overall, it's the only moderate news network out there. Funny how everyone on the left thinks Fox News is "far right".

[rhiannon]

I guess you feel the same about racial differences in IQ?

Debunked.

[Zuh]

Liberals should run the country (U.S)

[Oneeye]

You suck, MissMischief

[Matty74]

The argument about California businesses and Californians moving to Texas because of the better business climate is more an actual argument for conservatism being the better system, not whether conservatives are smarter or not.

Also lol, everyone knows Austin isn't Texas. Liberal enclave. I don't disagree with you that Texas whites are actually very wealthy, score well on SATs, but it had A LOT of migration from the west and north east during the oil boom. Who knows how much of that are native sons of Texas. Kind of like how North Carolina can't really be considered a southern state anymore because of how many northern transplants there are.

Most of the transplants reside in parts of Charlotte and the research area near Cary, NC (Containment Area for Relocated Yankees) The vast majority of the state remains true to its Southern roots and you could argue that Georgia has seem more transplants overall than NC. Atlanta has grown leaps and bounds and also, the Hilton Head, Charleston and Myrtle Beach areas are infested with Ohioans and people who have relocated from that area. I lived on Lake Norman near Charlotte for some time and still have family there.

[Dick]

You suck, MissMischief

You swallow.

[Oneeye]

You swallow.

No, it's the real Oneeye tonight

[Matty74]

It's not about IQ, it's about access to education. Most younger liberals today are from privileged families. That's how it is in my area anyways, but most business founders and self-employed types lean moderate or conservative.

[The Lawspeaker]

They were people who looked to the future and condemned much of their contemporary society. Voltaire comes to mind.

Nonsense. Society was created to protect key values from the law of the jungle. Not too different from how the U.S was established as a country which kept the power of the strong (the state) at bay.

[Borealis]

What does that have to do with anything? You seem to be equating liberalism with anarchism

Nonsense. Society was created to protect key values from the law of the jungle. Not too different from how the U.S was established as a country which kept the power of the strong (the state) at bay.

[Smeagol]

Debunked.

By no one.

[El_Abominacion]

Debunked.

lolno

https://brainstats.com/static/98cd4bbec3b147659e3686e5b5d4b5c2/a1967/map.png

Also as an individual example to show the extent of how far this difference goes, the Median IQ of Australian Aboriginals over several studies was shown to be 62, with the lowest being an atrocious 52. After tens of thousands of years in Australia they have achieved absolutely nothing and remain unable to function in modern Australian society. While it shouldn't be used to generalize every single person from certain ethnic groups as there are obviously those who can be well above average, average racial IQ difference absolutely exists and denying this is really quite ridiculous

[Richmondbread]

Most of the transplants reside in parts of Charlotte and the research area near Cary, NC (Containment Area for Relocated Yankees) The vast majority of the state remains true to its Southern roots and you could argue that Georgia has seem more transplants overall than NC. Atlanta has grown leaps and bounds and also, the Hilton Head, Charleston and Myrtle Beach areas are infested with Ohioans and people who have relocated from that area. I lived on Lake Norman near Charlotte for some time and still have family there.

Don't forget about occupied Northern Virginia and Virginia probably has seen the worst of the Yankee invasion.

[Richmondbread]

lol, FOX has plenty of fake news. An example would be the 70% of people in federal prisons being illegal aliens stat they mention a lot therefore illegals commit a lot more crime. While it isn't false, and illegals do commit much more crime than whites(not all native born Americans) that 70% stat is misleading and irrelevant because federal jurisdiction covers their cases more than natives, who will go to state prisons or county jails. Of course, liberals do the same thing with their much rolled out illegal alien crime rate study in Texas, saying since illegals commit less crime in Texas than native born citizens(and that isn't even getting into race), they commit less crime in America. Texas isn't demographically representative of America at all, not even close.

Another example would be claiming the AOC's Green New Deal wants to raise taxes on Americans, conveniently leaving out the part that it's only the top income bracket, not all Americans.

Hannity is an absolute moron. I would agree the left engages in more lying/fake news though.

Also, what in the world? You don't think there are anti-war liberals? American conservatives are something like 80/20% supportive of Israel, while white democrats are only 50/50. Plenty of Democrats that are anti-war and anti-Israel. Who do you think supports these wars? I guarantee you there are A LOT more white conservatives who actually think the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan kept America safe and were crucial than white Democrats.

And a good chunk of California was settled by Southerners. In the old days, Northerners moved to the South and eventually became Southerners anyway, because they assimilated. Now I suppose those Yankees wish to remain as their illegal counter parts and continue to be foreigners , even though they have moved some place else. A bunch of New Yorkers actually voted for Alexanrdia Ocasio Cortez. So that demonstrates the IQ level of New York voters, at least in that district.

[Profileid]

And a good chunk of California was settled by Southerners. In the old days, Northerners moved to the South and eventually became Southerners anyway, because they assimilated. Now I suppose those Yankees wish to remain as their illegal counter parts and continue to be foreigners , even though they have moved some place else. A bunch of New Yorkers actually voted for Alexanrdia Ocasio Cortez. So that demonstrates the IQ level of New York voters, at least in that district.

Meade hates other Americans and views them as foreign

[Richmondbread]

Meade hates other Americans and views them as foreign

I have more in common with Southern blacks than I do Northern whites.

[Matty74]

No you don’t

[FinalFlash]

By no one.

Jared Taylor crushes everyone in this regard.

[Richmondbread]

No you don’t

My Irish heritage suggests I'm Negro on the inside.

[Profileid]

I have more in common with Southern blacks than I do Northern whites.

i agree

[Joso]

Yes, they generally are. Conservatives seem to exhibit less cognitive ability than liberals do.

Just a recent study, using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, for example, found that the IQs of young adults who described themselves as "very liberal" averaged 106.42, whereas the mean of those who identified as "very conservative" was 94.82.

Science doesn't lie!

That alone is not science lol it was just one study
Ancaps are superior anyways