Classify this North Italian MMA fighter

[savvas]

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[Bellbeaking]

alpine + CM

How do you have negative reputation power?

I have never seen that on this forum seeing as you can't neg people.

[North Sea]

Whats his name ?

[savvas]

Whats his name ?

Marvin Vettori.

[savvas]

alpine + CM

How do you have negative reputation power?

I have never seen that on this forum seeing as you can't neg people.

Nevermind. Can he pass as a typical Welshman/Portuguese?

[North Sea]

Marvin Vettori.

first time I heard of him . Looked at his stats. I see he lost to adesanya so I guess he ain't that good ?

[Latinus]

Brunn.
He looks Irish.

[Dna8]

Taurid.

[Zroota]

I have never seen that on this forum seeing as you can't neg people.
The OP mostly posts Nordic looking Italians. And I doubt that he is "Pakistani".

[Cumansky]

Croatian

[FinalFlash]

Looks Spanish.

[leonj]

Subnordic

[Vid Flumina]

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/JJpkZOXX7MzFj7CT2RUQ0Ayi5rk=/1400x1400/filters:format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/22148448/1289658553.jpg

https://s.yimg.com/os/creatr-uploaded-images/2020-12/3ee5d870-3656-11eb-93db-080d824731e2

https://i.insider.com/5fcab112b6a3a800199b6cce?width=1024



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtrY2F_86tE

[XenophobicPrussian]

Faelid+Med.

Med is very visible in the eye shape, similar to Mussolini's.

[Jana]

He looks distinctly Italian. But not easy to classify, some northern CM type and sth else.

[Immanenz]

Borreby + Norid, some Alpinization too

cant be neither Faelid nor Med, because both are at least mesocephalic, he is clearly brachy. Also not rugged enouh for Faelid imo, rather soft features. Imo looks Polish but can pass in many countries.

[Universe]

Doesn't look distinctly italian imo, could pass in many places.

[Jana]

Doesn't look distinctly italian imo, could pass in many places.

To me he does, I watch lot of Italian TV shows recently and saw such faces even among southerners. People would be suprised how diverse Italians are.
Sth in his expression/smile is very Italian. Eyes too.

[Immanenz]

To me he does, I watch lot of Italian TV shows recently and saw such faces even among southerners. People would be suprised how diverse Italians are.
Sth in his expression/smile is very Italian. Eyes too.

i rather agree with universe- his look is not very common and i was often in Italy (but agree Italy is pretty diverse)

typical light Italian would be someone like this:
https://www.transfermarkt.at/antonio-di-gaudio/profil/spieler/165722
or this:
https://www.transfermarkt.at/amato-ciciretti/profil/spieler/159902

you can see some similarities with number 2, but still to me they look different enough: Marvin looks too much Pan-Euroepan and Borreby influenced + overall vibe is different as there are some Borreby Italians who might look more typical than him.

[Vid Flumina]

Borreby + Norid, some Alpinization too

cant be neither Faelid nor Med, because both are at least mesocephalic, he is clearly brachy. Also not rugged enouh for Faelid imo, rather soft features. Imo looks Polish but can pass in many countries.

yup, roof aside he fits the "savage prussian" type :

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?331951-The-noble-Teuton-vs-the-savage-Prussian-NW-Euro-vs-Eastern-Euro-nordic-skull-vs-brachy-skull

[LorenzoSpitaleri]

Alpine + Borreby CM. Nothing med about this guy imo.

[Vid Flumina]

To me he does, I watch lot of Italian TV shows recently and saw such faces even among southerners. People would be suprised how diverse Italians are.
Sth in his expression/smile is very Italian. Eyes too.

this venetian youtuber has similar vibe i find, can you see it in him as well ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4JCX4d8K7s

[Nunavut]

Italians are very diverse. There are many Italians in DK and their look often surprises me: some look very nordic, others almost middle Eastern.

[Immanenz]

Alpine + Borreby CM. Nothing med about this guy imo.

Alpine, Dinaric and Atlanto/Gracile Med belong all in the "Med" spectrum. All types can be found in Sardinia- most Med Europeans and generally in the wider Med- world. This distinctions only by Cephalic Index/ Nasal Index etc are pretty autistic.

Mesolithic Hunter Gatherers and Neolithic Farmers had more or less a similar Cephalic Index when the latter entered Europe (dolicephalic). Its extremly unrealistic (foolish in fact) to think they looked very similar however only because of this similarity.

[Jana]

this venetian youtuber has similar vibe i find, can you see it in him as well ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4JCX4d8K7s

Yep, definitelly! :)

[Jana]

i rather agree with universe- his look is not very common and i was often in Italy (but agree Italy is pretty diverse)

typical light Italian would be someone like this:
https://www.transfermarkt.at/antonio-di-gaudio/profil/spieler/165722
or this:
https://www.transfermarkt.at/amato-ciciretti/profil/spieler/159902

you can see some similarities with number 2, but still to me they look different enough: Marvin looks too much Pan-Euroepan and Borreby influenced + overall vibe is different as there are some Borreby Italians who might look more typical than him.

I agree it's not very common look nor typical light Italian look like that. But, if you study closely, he has some very Italian facial/expression details :)
for example he don't have typical Borreby thin lips, his eye shape really does have Med influence etc.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Alpine, Dinaric and Atlanto/Gracile Med belong all in the "Med" spectrum. All types can be found in Sardinia- most Med Europeans and generally in the wider Med- world. This distinctions only by Cephalic Index/ Nasal Index etc are pretty autistic.

Mesolithic Hunter Gatherers and Neolithic Farmers had more or less a similar Cephalic Index when the latter entered Europe (dolicephalic). Its extremly unrealistic (foolish in fact) to think they looked very similar however only because of this similarity.
I would say Alpine, Dinaric and Atlanto-Med are all in the intermediary spectrum. They peak in intermediary populations like Spaniards(genetically halfway between N. Europeans and South Italians), Central Balkans, France/Alps for Alpine, while Med/Gracile Med/West Med/East Med/etc are the southern most possible looking phenotypes that still peak in geographic Europe. Too many people think Atlantid, North Pontid, Sub-Nordid are the intermediaries, while they peak in yes intermediary, but not halfway intermediary populations, closer to 75-85% northern genetically. Atlanto-Med is probably overrated in Sardinia, although I could be wrong, and S. Italy is more southern genetically anyway. You can find them in Sardinia because you can find every phenotype everywhere(for the most part), albeit at low rates.

The OP definitely has Med, I can see why you could think Norid because of the eyes, but there's key differences in the eyes. Meds have two types of eye shapes, the kind of more squinty "desertified" looking type of eyes ala(although this is supposed to be an Atlanto-Med):

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/nvSzNGlqkRX71uqsmoDNcPY43-ITPy1wH07nvUfhRua5mpXMVhke_srAIY2IyXHsCeGc_q4talkK oKS_MJif_EyhOmpm0idFKS3lhcwLZwhpijCC

and

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Portrait_from_Fischer_Lexikon.png

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1C6CG_ik6Nc/Vfp4pThsiJI/AAAAAAAAA-U/rvqzUx4B618/s1600/types-small-mediterranean.jpg

or the big, bulgy, bug eyes like Spaniard Jose Primo De Rivera(Anne Hathaway another good example of Med eyes, although her other features are still enough to keep her in Alpinized Atlantid and Atlanto-Med intermediary range, especially the pale skin, but her eyes are pretty much pure Med, such variation in features combined with Hathaway's ancestry makes it so much more ridiculous that some people think they can classify 80%+ of people with one phenotype):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Jose_Antonio_Primo_de_Rivera_%281936%29.jpg

(tbh these should probably be two different Med types but the distinction was never made)

Marvin Vettori doesn't have the latter, but I think his eyes are identical to the former. Very similar eyes to Benito Mussolini(although of course, there's some people on this forum that would classify him as pure CM lol):

https://s.france24.com/media/display/fafbd6f2-09ff-11e9-98cf-005056bff430/w:1280/p:4x3/mussolini.jpg

https://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2016/02/GettyImages-2638286-e1455807083854.jpg

The resemblance in the eye shape is uncanny imo:

https://d3hkrbfxf7jd3r.cloudfront.net/article/lead_image/8642436/marvin-vettori-ufc-on-fox-29-media-day-video.jpg

https://www.sherdog.com/image_crop/200/300/_images/fighter/20160820042637_1DX_8762.JPG

https://i.imgur.com/SXpGKBQ.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ks18D_hdls0/WtIPI7MZf9I/AAAAAAAAqcA/k6jHl7w8Nns7i2esbshIon-ntbE7a0KfQCLcBGAs/s1600/marvin-vettori_595768_left30.png

Thicker lips is also a Med trait, Faelids, Norids and Alpines have thin lips from what I've seen. Also, is he really brachy? Looks more meso, with a thick neck making his head look shorter than it is, but maybe. Definitely flattish occiput.

https://i.imgur.com/3i9zERh.jpg

Either way, you said Borrebies can be both brachy and not brachy before, so I see no reason why the same thing can't be said for Faelids, if he is brachy then adding +Alpine works for me, but the Med definitely has to stay imo. The consensus isn't purely CM(aka Scandinavian, Irish-Scots or Balto-Slavic looking) or a more central type like Alpine+CM, lots of people have said south Euro or atleast somewhat Italian looking so I think there's atleast an argument, but I would concede I'm wrong with the Med if the vast majority didn't see it(unlike some people lol, I think we both know who I'm talking about).

[Immanenz]

I would say Alpine, Dinaric and Atlanto-Med are all in the intermediary spectrum. They peak in intermediary populations like Spaniards(genetically halfway between N. Europeans and South Italians), Central Balkans, France/Alps for Alpine, while Med/Gracile Med/West Med/East Med/etc are the southern most possible looking phenotypes that still peak in geographic Europe. Too many people think Atlantid, North Pontid, Sub-Nordid are the intermediaries, while they peak in yes intermediary, but not halfway intermediary populations, closer to 75-85% northern genetically. Atlanto-Med is probably overrated in Sardinia, although I could be wrong, and S. Italy is more southern genetically anyway. You can find them in Sardinia because you can find every phenotype everywhere(for the most part), albeit at low rates.


Either way, you said Borrebies can be both brachy and not brachy before, so I see no reason why the same thing can't be said for Faelids, if he is brachy then adding +Alpine works for me, but the Med definitely has to stay imo. The consensus isn't purely CM(aka Scandinavian or Balto-Slavic looking) or a more central type like Alpine+CM, lots of people have said south Euro or atleast somewhat Italian looking so I think there's atleast an argument, but I would concede I'm wrong with the Med if the vast majority didn't see it(unlike some people lol, I think we both know who I'm talking about).

I agreewith most things said- he is def. brachy however and probably around 84- 85 at least.
here a person of 84 cephalic index, thats why i m always saying in reality between sub brachy and high- meso is little difference in most cases, every thing lower 75 and higher 85 will be "easier" to judge and ultimatly be more determental of a phenotype
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/PSM_V53_D752_Great_russian_with_cephalic_index_84. 2.png

Regarding Faelid, depends on the definintion you follow, but most are high meso. Dependson indivudal , i agree, maybe some like Jens Lehmann might be over 80 Ci (so sub-brachy), still a Faelid, while someone like Oliver Kahn is most likely dolicephalic.

btw: its rare to see someone get classified as Alpine with neutral eye shape (and i think its rare), ulitmately people jsut go with the more obvious features (how broad faced someone is etc.)

[Vid Flumina]

The OP definitely has Med, I can see why you could think Norid because of the eyes, but there's key differences in the eyes. Meds have two types of eye shapes, the kind of more squinty "desertified" looking type of eyes ala(although this is supposed to be an Atlanto-Med):

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/nvSzNGlqkRX71uqsmoDNcPY43-ITPy1wH07nvUfhRua5mpXMVhke_srAIY2IyXHsCeGc_q4talkK oKS_MJif_EyhOmpm0idFKS3lhcwLZwhpijCC

and

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Portrait_from_Fischer_Lexikon.png

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1C6CG_ik6Nc/Vfp4pThsiJI/AAAAAAAAA-U/rvqzUx4B618/s1600/types-small-mediterranean.jpg

or the big, bulgy, bug eyes like Spaniard Jose Primo De Rivera(Anne Hathaway another good example of Med eyes, although her other features are still enough to keep her in Alpinized Atlantid and Atlanto-Med intermediary range, especially the pale skin, but her eyes are pretty much pure Med, such variation in features combined with Hathaway's ancestry makes it so much more ridiculous that some people think they can classify 80%+ of people with one phenotype):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Jose_Antonio_Primo_de_Rivera_%281936%29.jpg

(tbh these should probably be two different Med types but the distinction was never made)

Marvin Vettori doesn't have the latter, but I think his eyes are identical to the former. Very similar eyes to Benito Mussolini(although of course, there's some people on this forum that would classify him as pure CM lol):

https://s.france24.com/media/display/fafbd6f2-09ff-11e9-98cf-005056bff430/w:1280/p:4x3/mussolini.jpg

https://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2016/02/GettyImages-2638286-e1455807083854.jpg

The resemblance in the eye shape is uncanny imo:



You really think Marvin has these eyes ? :)

https://www.swissinfo.ch/resource/image/43170088/landscape_ratio16x9/1920/1080/55d6592031f80f812c423d6dea0ad813/hb/151214536-jpg.jpg

https://www.paesesera.toscana.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Benito-Mussolini-scaled.jpg

[XenophobicPrussian]

You really think Marvin has these eyes ? :)

https://www.swissinfo.ch/resource/image/43170088/landscape_ratio16x9/1920/1080/55d6592031f80f812c423d6dea0ad813/hb/151214536-jpg.jpg

https://www.paesesera.toscana.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Benito-Mussolini-scaled.jpg
How hard did you look for those? :laugh: If he makes the same expression, yes.

https://mmasucka.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Marvin-Vettori.jpg

https://dominancemma.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Screen-Shot-2017-11-10-at-8.05.32-PM-1024x1019.png

Benito's are bigger, but the shape is largely the same.

[Vid Flumina]

How hard did you look for those? :laugh:

About this hard :

https://www.google.com/search?q=mussolini+giovane > images



If he makes the same expression, yes.

https://mmasucka.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Marvin-Vettori.jpg

https://dominancemma.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Screen-Shot-2017-11-10-at-8.05.32-PM-1024x1019.png

Benito's are bigger, but the shape is largely the same.




xD

[XenophobicPrussian]

About this long :

https://www.google.com/search?q=mussolini+giovane > images






xD
So are you claiming Mussolini is squinting in the vast majority of his photos?

[Scipio Africanus]

typical light Italian would be someone like this:
https://www.transfermarkt.at/antonio-di-gaudio/profil/spieler/165722
or this:
https://www.transfermarkt.at/amato-ciciretti/profil/spieler/159902

The first one is Sicilian and the second Roman of Apulian origins,at most "typical light south Italian"

[Scipio Africanus]

Dont quote the photos please
Grandfather
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mother
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brother

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Can't find a pic of his father atm but if i remember well is the dark haired version of him.

[XenophobicPrussian]

He looks very similar to his brother outside of pigmentation.

[The Blade]

Alpinid/Baltid/CM combo.

[lorenzodini17]

Alpino-chromagnoid intermediate with a very slight dinarid influence visible in the nose shape, possibly altered in pigmentation by a nordoid component. Skull is definitely alpinid.

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[Luso]

Too nordic to be typical in Southern Europe -- particularly Italy, Spain, Portugal... cannot fit that well (imo). Key word typical, Ik there is a phenotypical variety to the point where you will see guys like him, but rare.

Sidenote, he probably is a good example of foreign admixture in northern Italy due to Germanic invasions. Maybe more precisely slavic? There are lighter Italians who look distinctly only native Italian who I wouldn't say are from germanic invasions, but this guy... definitely.

Edit: He might just be ambiguous b/c his family looks pretty Italian actually.

[Aldaris]

Ambiguous European, kind of. I wouldn't be surprised with Russian, Italian, Norwegian or anything in-between.

[Immanenz]

The first one is Sicilian and the second Roman of Apulian origins,at most "typical light south Italian"

they are typical enoguh- i ve seen those faces also in Trieste, Milano or Bolzano- i cannot ask everyone for his familytree... But i also said Italians have a lot of different types, many people who are not easy to guess- this was the notion of my post.

[Nunavut]

they are typical enoguh- i ve seen those faces also in Triest, Milano or Bolzano- i cannot ask everyone for his familytree... But i also said Italians have a lot of different types, many people who are not easy to guess- this was the notion of my post.

North Italian cities have a lot of southern immigrants, or at least that's what my Italian friends told me

[chociprasa]

Basically a Balkan Borreby with some Med traits