Ilyrian Sica

[North Sea]

An ancient Ilyrian sword , later adopted by the Romans, and probanly Thracians and Dacians given that it originated in the Hallstatt though not sure about this one. Albanian 'thika' means knife . Possibly used by Celts too.









Thesica was a short sword or large dagger of ancient Thracians, Dacians and Illyrians, used in Ancient Rome too, originating in the Halstatt culture. It was originally depicted as a curved sword (see theZliten mosaicas well as numerous oil lamps) and many examples have been found in what are todayAlbania, Bosnia, Bulgaria,Serbiaand Romania. It is also depicted onTrajan's Column; notably the Dacian kingDecebalusis depicted committing suicide with one.









Possibly from Proto-Albanian* tsikā (whence Albanian thikë, "knife"), from Proto-Indo-European*ḱey- ("to sharpen") possibly viaIllyrian.[1][2]According to Dictionnaire des Antiquités Grecques et Romaines[3]the nameSicacomes from Proto-Indo-European rootsek-, meaning "to cut", "to section", however De Vaandeclares any connection to Proto-Indo-European *sek- to be formally impossible.[4]





The Romans regarded the sica as a distinctive Illyrian weapon. The principal melee weapon of the Illyrianswas the Sica.[6]According to historian John Wilkes:[7]

Although a short curved sword was used by several peoples around the Mediterranean the Romans regarded thesicaas a distinct Illyrian weapon used by the stealthy 'assassin' (sicarius)



https://bladesmithsforum.com/uploads/monthly_2017_03/b.jpg.931c67c17025782cd8341889a8bde900.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/28/79/66/287966fc36695e695d696ac2f75c3cbd.jpg

[North Sea]

Dacian Sica , 1st century BC

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Alba_Iulia_National_Museum_of_the_Union_2011_-_Inventory_Pieces_from_Cugir_Dacian_Warrior_Tomb-5.JPG/1280px-Alba_Iulia_National_Museum_of_the_Union_2011_-_Inventory_Pieces_from_Cugir_Dacian_Warrior_Tomb-5.JPG

[North Sea]

Ilyrian helmet


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Illyrian_helmet_1.jpg

[Albobalboa]

I prefer this helmet

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/86/ff/18/86ff18b14d0b39a15f12866351731759.jpg

[Bosniensis]

Sica is a Serbian word.

Even today we use it regularly for Short Sword-like Knife.

It's not Sica but Siča.

[Albobalboa]

Sica is a Serbian word.

Even today we use it regularly for Short Sword-like Knife.

It's not Sica but Siča.

I press X for doubt on that one. But I'm open to see your arguments.

[North Sea]

Sica is a Serbian word.

Even today we use it regularly for Short Sword-like Knife.

It's not Sica but Siča.

Sica has no meaning in Serbo Croatian.

Sica was a short sword used by the ancient Ilyrians, thracians and Dacians ... the Albanian word for knife is from this word . proto Albanian tsika and later thika ... I dont see how this could be Serbian in origin ? Proto Serbs came to Balkans in 6th AD or 7 AD , they mixed with natives possibly and adopted it from them .. nor do I see how it is written Siča which is basically a slavicised version ... Sica has no meaning in Serbo Croatian


In Croatian knife means Noz , same in Serbian , Bosnian and many Slavic languages .., This word has only a meaning in Albanian ... the Albanian word for knife ''thika'' basically comes from this word

[Bosniensis]

I press X for doubt on that one. But I'm open to see your arguments.

The act of Cutting we call: Sići, Osići, Sjeći

I still call the long knife: Siča (it is a literal translation of a tool that cut's something)

When something is going through something (like chainsaw through wood) we say: Chainsaw "siče" wood.

I was surprised when I saw that those Ancient People use that word.

[Dick]

The act of Cutting we call: Sići, Osići, Sjeći

I still call the long knife: Siča (it is a literal translation of a tool that cut's something)

When something is going through something (like chainsaw through wood) we say: Chainsaw "siče" wood.

I was surprised when I saw that those Ancient People use that word.

Yeah. Drvosece/Drvosjece. Lumberjack/woodcutter.

[North Sea]

The act of Cutting we call: Sići, Osići, Sjeći

I still call the long knife: Siča (it is a literal translation of a tool that cut's something)

When something is going through something (like chainsaw through wood) we say: Chainsaw "siče" wood.

I was surprised when I saw that those Ancient People use that word.

That doesnt mean it is from Serbian.

The word to cut has an Indo European origin ... In Polish it means cecie similar to sjeca in Serbian ... in Scandinavian language it is skjære ... in english cut ... the s and i has disappeared in english ... the word to cut is similar in many indo european languages .. it is possible the word to cut in croatian and serbian is from slavic ''cecie''


even the words sword and knife is common in many languages ... in Albanian sword means Shpata , In English Sword, In Norwegian Sverd .. its also possible sica is related to this but in albanian thika means knife ... and comes from sica possibly .. word knife is also similar in many indo european languages. But in Slavic it seems different in this case . same way some Albanian words are different. And same way some Slavic and many other languages and Albanian words are similar which is why it is hard to also establish what is a loan word sometimes.

in Serbian sword is mac and knife means noz ... it is rather different. similar to German 'messer' meaning knife .

Sica only seems similar to Albanian thika and english knife and scandinavian kniv ... in slavic noz its possible the k was lost and the i and the v turned to noz

[Pribislav]

Sica has Serbian origin.

Seći/Sjeći/Sići on Serbian means cut of.

When I want to cut of wood I use Sikira which is Axe.

[Albobalboa]

Children, children, children.

Possibly from Proto-Albanian *tsikā (whence Albanian thikë, "knife"), from Proto-Indo-European *ḱey- ("to sharpen") possibly via Illyrian.[1][2] According to Dictionnaire des Antiquités Grecques et Romaines[3] the name Sica comes from Proto-Indo-European root sek-, meaning "to cut", "to section", however De Vaan declares any connection to Proto-Indo-European *sek- to be formally impossible.[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sica

You'll have to agree to disagree.

[North Sea]

Sica has Serbian origin.

Seći/Sjeći/Sići on Serbian means cut of.

When I want to cut of wood I use Sikira which is Axe.

No, it doesnt have Serbian origin . But comes from Hallstatt and has possibly an Indo European origjn.


It is a common Indo European word for cutting , 'Cecie' means cuttting in Polish . Secanje , Sjece etc possibly comes from this. They also say something similar in Russian. Same way word ''noz'' means knife in slavic.

Serbs also say Rezanje. Also from Slavic.


Albanian word ''thika'' possibly comes from sica , in proto albanian tsika possibly . possibly also word for knife has a similar origin in many languages.

[North Sea]

Children, children, children.

Possibly from Proto-Albanian *tsikā (whence Albanian thikë, "knife"), from Proto-Indo-European *ḱey- ("to sharpen") possibly via Illyrian.[1][2] According to Dictionnaire des Antiquités Grecques et Romaines[3] the name Sica comes from Proto-Indo-European root sek-, meaning "to cut", "to section", however De Vaan declares any connection to Proto-Indo-European *sek- to be formally impossible.[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sica

You'll have to agree to disagree.

ilyrian word breg or something meant sea .. in albanian is also similar .. slavic language also has something similar .. its just common IE words

[TheMaestro]

Greatest warrior in human history a true Balkan warrior.

https://i.imgur.com/ozqpWLq.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pmECsgO.png

[Albobalboa]

Greatest warrior in human history a true Balkan warrior.

https://i.imgur.com/ozqpWLq.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pmECsgO.png

Judging by his looks in the second meme I'd agree with him. Jebem all majkus

[North Sea]

Greatest warrior in human history a true Balkan warrior.

https://i.imgur.com/ozqpWLq.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pmECsgO.png

Lol. These people dont even understand what common Indo European words are . They also claim Ilyrian sheep dog and the word 'hajde' which is possibly from turkish. Nationalism ....


Sica comes from hallstatt ... has an indo european origin ... its possible the word knife and cutting and even sword have all a common origin in many indo european languages


Sica was used in Balkans and Hallstatt before Serbs or any Slavs even arrived

[Pribislav]

No, it doesnt have Serbian origin . But comes from Hallstatt and has possibly an Indo European origjn.


It is a common Indo European word for cutting , 'Cecie' means cuttting in Polish . Secanje , Sjece etc possibly comes from this. They also say something similar in Russian. Same way word ''noz'' means knife in slavic.

Serbs also say Rezanje. Also from Slavic.


Albanian word ''thika'' possibly comes from sica , in proto albanian tsika possibly . possibly also word for knife has a similar origin in many languages.

Seći on Serbian (ekavian dialect) means cut.

Ijekavian is Sjeći, and ikavian is Sići.

You can not to learn me Serbian language.

[Alenka]

Lopata. Lopatë.
Kosa. Kosë.
Breg. Breg.
Prag. Prag.
Puška. Pushkë.
Žaba. Zhabë.
Sića. Sica.
:hides

[TheMaestro]

Judging by his looks in the second meme I'd agree with him. Jebem all majkus

It's a funny meme, mocking Macedonians, tho I like them IRL, but this is hilarious.

[TheMaestro]

Lopata. Lopatë.
Kosa. Kosë.
Breg. Breg.
Prag. Prag.
Puška. Pushkë.
Žaba. Zhabë.
Sića. Sica.
:hides

Should I name some english/german borrowed words that Slavic countries use? :D You have to understand that there are similiarities in any languages because there is no chance that an ethnicity or nation managed to discover all the words instantly.

[Pribislav]

ilyrian word breg or something meant sea .. in albanian is also similar .. slavic language also has something similar .. its just common IE words

Breg is borrowed Slavic word in Albanian https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/breg

Breg on Serbian means Hillock.

[TheMaestro]

Lol. These people dont even understand what common Indo European words are . They also claim Ilyrian sheep dog and the word 'hajde' which is possibly from turkish. Nationalism ....


Sica comes from hallstatt ... has an indo european origin ... its possible the word knife and cutting and even sword have all a common origin in many indo european languages


Sica was used in Balkans and Hallstatt before Serbs or any Slavs even arrived

Hajde is actually Turkish, brought from Ottomans and everyone in ex-yugo + some other countries use it Balkans. Albanian correct synonym would be eja.

[Alenka]

Should I name some english/german borrowed words that Slavic countries use? :D You have to understand that there are similiarities in any languages because there is no chance that an ethnicity or nation managed to discover all the words instantly.
I know, I was trolling...
:D
On a more serious note, those knives look familiar to me, I think I've seen them in a museum. Finds from Illyricum I guess.

[TheMaestro]

Lol. These people dont even understand what common Indo European words are . They also claim Ilyrian sheep dog and the word 'hajde' which is possibly from turkish. Nationalism ....


Sica comes from hallstatt ... has an indo european origin ... its possible the word knife and cutting and even sword have all a common origin in many indo european languages


Sica was used in Balkans and Hallstatt before Serbs or any Slavs even arrived

And shepherd dog is not a Slavic "invention" if you call so either. You cant invent or proclaim a dog, if so it was present in Balkans before Slavic migrations, so it could be Vlachs, Illyrians, Dardanians, Hellenics or Celtics expenading.

[TheMaestro]

I know, I was trolling...
:D
On a more serious note, those knives look familiar to me, I think I've seen them in a museum. Finds from Illyricum I guess.

Why use that signature " Zlatokopka " are you trying to get rid of men ? :D

[North Sea]

the word for cutting possibly is connected to this word in all indo european languages ... or the word for knife and cutting have a similar origin ... such as in Scandinavian knife means Kniv and cutting means Kutte .. they are very similar


Its possible the word sjece has no relation to the actual word sica which rather comes from knife ... but the indo european word for cutting was possibly something similar sounding as the indo european word for knife ... in Albanian carje and prej means cut ... Albanian carje is similar to polish cecie and serbian sjece ... they have a common indo european origin for cutting same way for english cut and norwegian kutte ...


The word Sica is rather a word for Knife .. Albanian word for knife derives from this possible or even the word for Sword ... Its also similar in other Indo European languages. Its possible the Indo European word for cutting was something similar as the word for knife and has changed over time


The Sica actually comes from Hallstatt from Proto Ilyrians , it is possibly a word of Indo European origin.

[North Sea]

Lopata. Lopatë.
Kosa. Kosë.
Breg. Breg.
Prag. Prag.
Puška. Pushkë.
Žaba. Zhabë.
Sića. Sica.
:hides

common Indo European words many of these

Breg meant sea in Ilyrian also ,,, we also have word for sea and ship that isnt common in other languages but a lot of words obviously have a common indo european origin ... pushka is obviously a loan word.


Sica is def not a loan word but comes from Ilyrian or proto Ilyrian,

[North Sea]

Seći on Serbian (ekavian dialect) means cut.

Ijekavian is Sjeći, and ikavian is Sići.

You can not to learn me Serbian language.

cecie in polish means cut , carje in albanian means cut ... Cut in english ... in Russian also .. common indo eurropean words ... the norwegian word for stabbing is stikke ... also similar origin ...


I can teach you that this sword or knife is not from Serbs but from Hallstatt proto Ilyrians and the Indo European word for knife was possibly similar to this word .. also Indo European word for cutting was similar sounding or had a similar origin.

[Pribislav]

Sekira/Sjekira/Sikira is Axe in Serbian https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sjekira


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wQIS1Nf2c0

[North Sea]

Possibly from Proto-Albanian* tsikā (whence Albanian thikë, "knife"), from Proto-Indo-European*ḱey- ("to sharpen") possibly via Illyrian.





the word to cut and knife possibly have a common IE origin. As I said.

This sword isn't South Slavic in origin. But originated in Hallstatt . Its word is Indo European in origin which explains similarities of words like cutting , sword and knife in many languages . South Slavs who use this knife possibly adopted it from natives or it was Indo European before even Hallstatt as such a similar knife was used in a lot of cultures and similar word it seems.


This doesn't make the actual knife Serbian.

[Moje ime]

Serbian word sečivo means sharp part of knife
https://sr.m.wiktionary.org/sr-ec/sečivo

Seci - to cut

Sekira/sikira - axe

[North Sea]

Slavic word for cut like secenje etc. probably comes from proto Indo European word sek or skei and not from sica

similar to Old norse 'skita' , old english 'scita' , latin 'scindere' etc .


Sica is probably a proto Albanian word

I explained it here

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?284280-The-word-cut-in-Proto-Indo-European

[Moje ime]

Slavic word for cut like secenje etc. probably comes from proto Indo European word sek or skei and not from sica

similar to Old norse 'skita' , old english 'scita' , latin 'scindere' etc .


Sica is probably a proto Albanian word

I explained it here

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?284280-The-word-cut-in-Proto-Indo-European

So according to you word thika is closer with word sica than word seci?

[Skerdilaid]

Sica has Serbian origin.

Seći/Sjeći/Sići on Serbian means cut of.

When I want to cut of wood I use Sikira which is Axe.
When Illyrians used Sica your ancestors (serbs) were in Chechenya.

[MagnusDark]

An ancient Ilyrian sword , later adopted by the Romans, and probanly Thracians and Dacians given that it originated in the Hallstatt though not sure about this one. Albanian 'thika' means knife . Possibly used by Celts too.

I have been trying to find a nice replica of this sword. I collect a bunch myself, sharpened and ready for when we fall back to the stone age lmao.

[ixulescu]

Sekira/Sjekira/Sikira is Axe in Serbian https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sjekira

Ax is called secure in Romanian, notice the similarity.
The origin is Latin securis.

[ixulescu]

And btw, Romans also had the word sica, which was a dagger similar to a sickle.
In Romanian sickle is secera, derived from Latin sīcīlis/sicilo.

[Vojnik]

Breg is borrowed Slavic word in Albanian https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/breg

Breg on Serbian means Hillock.


Interesting. In Macedonian, Breg is coast. As in sea coast.

[Pribislav]

Interesting. In Macedonian, Breg is coast. As in sea coast.

Vršački breg (or Vršačke planine) is the highest point in Vojvodina
www.serbiaoutdoor.com/Ture/mtb/Vojvodina/vrsac/vrsacmala.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vršac_Mountains

Coast in Serbian is Obala.

[Pribislav]

Sica has very Slavic vibe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaporozhian_Sich

[Skerdilaid]

Sica has very Slavic vibe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaporozhian_Sich

As I said, Chechenia; 2.9% of Kosova serbs from western Kosova (the real Serboi) seem to belong to this subclade: https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y143134/

1600ybp with the Chechenian samples, corresponds perfectly with the time when Serboi entered Europe and encountered Slavs. Have you tested? You might also belong to this subclade.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fb/66/30/fb66301ba86fd99bfdee6d5b1da88616.jpg

https://i0.wp.com/www.vortexmag.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/viriato_against_the_romans_by_wraithdt-d8hfrnh-1-e1434548893393.png?fit=700%2C455&ssl=1

Some resemblances with the Falcata, the weapon of choice among Lusitanians (pre-Roman inhabitants of where Portugal is geographically located nowadays).

[North Sea]

As I said, Chechenia; 2.9% of Kosova serbs from western Kosova (the real Serboi) seem to belong to this subclade: https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y143134/

1600ybp with the Chechenian samples, corresponds perfectly with the time when Serboi entered Europe and encountered Slavs. Have you tested? You might also belong to this subclade.

Sarbani Sernoi Serbi ;)


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZVG1wENXjH8/maxresdefault.jpg


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serboi

[Pribislav]

As I said, Chechenia; 2.9% of Kosova serbs from western Kosova (the real Serboi) seem to belong to this subclade: https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y143134/

1600ybp with the Chechenian samples, corresponds perfectly with the time when Serboi entered Europe and encountered Slavs. Have you tested? You might also belong to this subclade.

Nice imagination. :clap:
There is no Aryan R1a-Z93 among Serbs and that is end of story with Iranic theory about proto-Serbian origin.

I am eastern R1b and have identity crisis of my Vlacho-Shiptar origin. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

You Shiptars are huge mythomans. You are obsessed with idea how all people in the Balkan who are not I2a and R1a are of Shiptar origin.

[Voskos]

Lol.

[Pribislav]

Sarbani Sernoi Serbi ;)


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZVG1wENXjH8/maxresdefault.jpg


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serboi

This theory is false.

Ask Minge about origin of Serbian ethnonym. He know details about proto-Slavic origin of Serbian ethnonym.

[North Sea]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fb/66/30/fb66301ba86fd99bfdee6d5b1da88616.jpg

https://i0.wp.com/www.vortexmag.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/viriato_against_the_romans_by_wraithdt-d8hfrnh-1-e1434548893393.png?fit=700%2C455&ssl=1

Some resemblances with the Falcata, the weapon of choice among Lusitanians (pre-Roman inhabitants of where Portugal is geographically located nowadays).

Yeah , it could have maybe a common Indo European origin. I have seen similar versions with similar names if I recall. Same for its word though this word probably has nothing to do with cutting but is actually an old word for knife ... though its possible indo european words for cutting , knives and swords could of had a similar origin ...


Albanian ''Thika'' basically S turned into th over time and c to k .. proto Albanian was probably tsika or something.

[Skerdilaid]

Nice imagination. :clap:
There is no Aryan R1a-Z93 among Serbs and that is end of story with Iranic theory about proto-Serbian origin.

I am eastern R1b and have identity crisis of my Vlacho-Shiptar origin. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

You Shiptars are huge mythomans. You are obsessed with idea how all people in the Balkan who are not I2a and R1a are of Shiptar origin.

Didn’t say anything about Iranians, I specifically singled out Chechens and have the genetic proof to prove my point. Wtf are you talking about, what’s an eastern R1b you mindless imbecile??

[North Sea]

This theory is false.

Ask Minge about origin of Serbian ethnonym. He know details about proto-Slavic origin of Serbian ethnonym.

Mingle ? Lol


theory is 100% true.



Nice imagination. :clap:
There is no Aryan R1a-Z93 among Serbs and that is end of story with Iranic theory about proto-Serbian origin.

I am eastern R1b and have identity crisis of my Vlacho-Shiptar origin. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

You Shiptars are huge mythomans. You are obsessed with idea how all people in the Balkan who are not I2a and R1a are of Shiptar origin.

You're the ones who claim everything to be Serbian and Slavic :lol:

[Pribislav]

Didn’t say anything about Iranians, I specifically singled out Chechens and have the genetic proof to prove my point. Wtf are you talking, what’s an eastern R1b you mindless imbecile??

Chechens are your Caucasian cousins and not IE speakers. Serboi were Iranic people connected with Alans.

Me and Vlade Divac are R1b-BY611 and we are serbified Shiptars. :thumb001:

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Yeah , it could have maybe a common Indo European origin. I have seen similar versions with similar names if I recall. Same for its word though this word probably has nothing to do with cutting but is actually an old word for knife ... though its possible indo european words for cutting , knives and swords could of had a similar origin ...


Albanian ''Thika'' basically S turned into th over time and c to k .. proto Albanian was probably tsika or something.

Sword in Portuguese is "Espada". It derives from the Ancient Greek word πάρτα (Spártā) and it is in reference to the old city of Sparta.

[Skerdilaid]

Chechens are your Caucasian cousins and not IE speakers. Serboi were Iranic people connected with Alans.

Me and Vlade Divac are R1b-BY611 and we are serbified Shiptars. :thumb001:
No no no, you’re a J2a son of a Chechen

[Voskos]

Pribislav, youre ydna BY611?

[Pribislav]

No no no, you’re a J2a son of a Chechen

Idiot, that guy with Chechen marker is descendant of assimilatted Circasians who settled in Kosovo in 19th century.

[North Sea]

Sword in Portuguese is "Espada". It derives from the Ancient Greek word πάρτα (Spártā) and it is in reference to the old city of Sparta.

That is really interesting. In Albanian it is ''Shpata'' as I mentioned earlier.

[North Sea]

Chechens are your Caucasian cousins and not IE speakers. Serboi were Iranic people connected with Alans.

Me and Vlade Divac are R1b-BY611 and we are serbified Shiptars. :thumb001:

SARBANIIIIIII


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serboi

[Pribislav]

No no no, you’re a J2a son of a Chechen

Your nation is related which Chenchens, Udis and Lezgins. You have identical behavior as Chechens.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCMu4QDn5GY

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

That is really interesting. In Albanian it is ''Shpata'' as I mentioned earlier.

Then it is closer to the vulgar Latin variant, which is spatha too. It derives from the Greek loanword nonetheless.

[Pribislav]

Pribislav, youre ydna BY611?

No, thanks God. I joking with Albanians who attacked me and my people.

[Skerdilaid]

Idiot, that guy with Chechen marker is descendant of assimilatted Circasians who settled in Kosovo in 19th century.

Horseshit. Circassians came as Muslims and never assimilated into orthodox Serbs. Serbian guy on yfull is from Vojvodina, btw. So no connection to any Circassians from Kosova. Get your facts straight you lying son of a servian whore.

[Pribislav]

SARBANIIIIIII


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serboi

Where are genetic evidences for this claim?

Albanians shifted quite closer to Caucasians than Serbs.
Albanians are near Thessaly and that is southeastern from Serbs and closer to Georgian, Turkish, Abkhazian, Armenian etc.
https://i.imgur.com/T5KuEXF.png

[Skerdilaid]

Where are genetic evidences for this claim?

Albanians shifted quite closer to Caucasians than Serbs.
Albanians are near Thessaly and that is southeastern from Serbs and closer to Georgian, Turkish, Abkhazian, Armenian etc.
https://i.imgur.com/T5KuEXF.png

Go back and check out the yfull link I posted you moron. Serbian project has these samples listed as PF7412, and of course they are hiding most of them - especially the samples from Kosove.


Is Bogič from Timocki Krajina a Circassian? He seems to belong to this subclade as well.

[cheekibreeki]

R1b BY611

https://shqiperiaebashkuar.al/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/img_2136-1-523x330.png

I2a

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3efb77255869f003ac653ff5426cc9dd

[North Sea]

Where are genetic evidences for this claim?

Albanians shifted quite closer to Caucasians than Serbs.
Albanians are near Thessaly and that is southeastern from Serbs and closer to Georgian, Turkish, Abkhazian, Armenian etc.
https://i.imgur.com/T5KuEXF.png

Ok, Sarbani.

http://i65.tinypic.com/2ymsxll.jpg

[Pribislav]

Go back and check out the yfull link I posted you moron. Serbian project has these samples listed as PF7412, and of course they are hiding most of them - especially the samples from Kosove.


Is Bogič from Timocki Krajina a Circassian? He seems to belong to this subclade as well.

He is Timok Vlach.
In Timočka Krajina Vlachs (Rumâns) are significant part of population.

[Pribislav]

Ok, Sarbani.

I see you like to post photos of you people - Gypsies.

[North Sea]

Ok, Sarbani.

[Dorian]

R1b BY611

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Reality :All albanian haplogroups gathered

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MQkv3QWHAk

[cheekibreeki]

Reality :All albanian haplogroups gathered

Why you got butthurt, we were not talking about you anatolian kind, Chill.

https://i.postimg.cc/QCmQc4Ds/neonazi.png

[Dorian]

Why you got butthurt, we were not talking about you anatolian kind, Chill.


Chill as fuck bruh ...I just saw your comment and thought "look how much delusion there is in this world",peace.

[North Sea]

Chill as fuck bruh ...I just saw your comment and thought "look how much delusion there is in this world",peace.

Ok. And ?

[Skerdilaid]

He is Timok Vlach.
In Timočka Krajina Vlachs (Rumâns) are significant part of population.

How about Crnagorac from Bosanska Krajina who belong to the same subclade, he is Circassian or Vlah? ;)

[Pribislav]

How about Crnagorac from Bosanska Krajina who belong to the same subclade, he is Circassian or Vlah? ;)

Crnogorac means Montenegrin.
His ancestors are imigrants from Montenegro. In Montenegro exotic haplogroups can be found more often than anywhere in the Balkans.

Proto-Serbian haplogroups which arrived with proto-Serbs from Czechia are I2-PH908 and R1a-M458>L1029.

[cheekibreeki]

Chill as fuck bruh ...I just saw your comment and thought "look how much delusion there is in this world",peace.

You sound like a whore now , did you simply wanted my attention because you got it .

I’ll give you my Albanian sika but you won’t walk for a week for sure .

[North Sea]

Reality :All albanian haplogroups gathered

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MQkv3QWHAk

They look Greek because they are all from the South of the border ;)

[Dorian]

You sound like a whore now , did you simply wanted my attention because you got it .

I’ll give you my Albanian sika but you won’t walk for a week for sure .

Fun fact : We call these things "συκα" =sika
https://www.tovima.gr/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/20/12449848_iStock_000014364351.jpg

And these things "συκιες-συκια"=sikies-sikia(for obvious reason-see again above in case your 70iq brain can't get it) since ancient greek comedy times and that's the closest thing of yours to the "sika" word.
https://media.timeout.com/images/105230869/630/472/image.jpg

[hanza]

sica blyat

[cheekibreeki]

Fun fact : We call these things "συκα" =sika
https://www.tovima.gr/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/20/12449848__000014364351.jpg

And these things "συκιες-συκια"=sikies-sikia(for obvious reason-see again above in case your 70iq brain can't get it) since ancient greek comedy times and that's the closest thing of yours to the "sika" word.
https://media.timeout.com/images/105230869/630/47jpg

Fun fact I was being sarcastic towards serbs from the beginning but your anatolian low IQ brain couldn’t handle it .

Are they Greeks ? Especially the guy in the middle looks Cretan :)

[Voskos]

LOL, cretans now mentioned even by filthy šiptars.

[HungryLion]

Reality :All albanian haplogroups gathered

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MQkv3QWHAk

This is Albanians in video? Shit they look like imigrants...

[Skerdilaid]

Crnogorac means Montenegrin.
His ancestors are imigrants from Montenegro. In Montenegro exotic haplogroups can be found more often than anywhere in the Balkans.

Proto-Serbian haplogroups which arrived with proto-Serbs from Czechia are I2-PH908 and R1a-M458>L1029.

Nah, PH908 and L1029 are the slavic cucks who got subdued and took the identity of the Chechen Serboi. Are you a Slavic cuck or a Chechen Serboi??

[North Sea]

This is Albanians in video? Shit they look like imigrants...

Yeah, they are Southern Albanians from Vlora or something. In the North we look different IMO. :P

[KastriotiBlood]

Yeah, they are Southern Albanians from Vlora or something. In the North we look different IMO. :P

They looked shqiptar to me, only 1 or 2 were jevgs

[Mens-Sarda]

Yeah, they are Southern Albanians from Vlora or something. In the North we look different IMO. :P

I remember those scenes on tv when I was a child, after the fall of communism, a ship named Vlora landed in the port of Brindisi in Apulia, with about 20.000 Albanians onboard. The ship was so stuffed that was barely able to move.

https://i0.wp.com/atrium.altervista.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/vlora.jpg

https://www.vanillamagazine.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Larrivo-della-nave-Vlora-dallAlbania-nel-1991-4.jpg

http://www.mmasciata.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/vlora-2.jpg

https://www.albanianews.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/la-nave-dolce-lo-sbarco-della-nave-vlora-in-una-scena-del-documentario-2483161.jpg

http://www.delvecchioeditore.com/images/sezioni/normal/1457333129262-172636195-dbdfa615-8fe5-4b72-b7b6-0482dca2fe19.jpg

https://www.panorama.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/bari-profughi-albanesi-nave-vlora002-1000x600.jpg

https://nst.sky.it/content/dam/static/contentimages/original/sezioni/tg24/cronaca/2016/03/07/sbarchi%20profughi%20albanesi%20puglia/02esodo_migranti_albania_puglia.jpeg

https://livenetwork.blob.core.windows.net/news/675561/gallery/2809987_85bc48_768x509.jpg