Who is fairer, Spanish Basques or Northern Italians from Trentino-Alto Adige?

[Septentrion]

I would go for those from Trentino!

[Deneb]

The skin tone is similar. But blondism is more frequent in northern Italy than in the north of the Iberian Peninsula.

[Regnera]

The latter,I guess.

[Supercomputer]

The Tirolese are quite blond according to this map based on Livi:

https://i.postimg.cc/6pWrrJY9/Italyblondehair-Biasutti.gif (https://postimages.org/)exxon station near me (https://gasstation-nearme.com/mobil)

[JMack]

LOL

Obviously Tyroleans. I'd say Tyroleans and Ladins are even blonder than Bavarians and Austrians (they are also more western shifted than Eastern and Central Austrians genetically).

It's like asking ''who's fairer: Swedes or Greeks''? Basques have lots of swarthy types absent or rare in Trentino, even French Basques.

[Bakha]

ofc these germanics from northern italy

[sean]

Let's see

Spanish Basques:

https://i.imgur.com/mI1THPI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jCYLc9e.jpg
https://imgur.com/J5qIYxG.gif

North Italians from Trentino-Alto Adige:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUNsIQ7lBHg
https://i.imgur.com/RyiBT2V.jpg

Verdict: Alto Adige.

Spanish Basques are clearly dark like their non-Basque counterparts. South Tyroleans on the other hand are fairer than any Padanian, considering the fact they were annexed by Italy in 1919. There's a lot of interethnic mixing but the phenotype and behaviour of the Austrian has remained intact.

[Marshall Theodore]

Alto-Adige ppl is fairer, but they arent proper ethnic italians.

Basque lightness is overrated, in reality they seems to be darker than some other Spanish groups (like Asturians) in terms of blondism rate.

[Gusakoo]

Alto-Adige ppl is fairer, but they arent proper ethnic italians.

Basque lightness is overrated, in reality they seems to be darker than some other Spanish groups (like Asturians) in terms of blondism rate.

What about Trentino regarding the first part of your post.
And how do you know about the second?

[Beowulf]

What about Trentino regarding the first part of your post.
And how do you know about the second?

Basques are mostly very homogenous genetically and well you can find blondes yes, but mostly the basques are ver similr each other, Brown hair and brown eyes mostly and fair skinned, my great grandfather was half basque and had these caracteristics, the same with my grandfather

[Marshall Theodore]

What about Trentino regarding the first part of your post.

"Trentino" and "Alto Adige" are the same region (Südtyrol), basically a part of Austria anexed by Italy.


And how do you know about the second?

Thats just my impression, also Basques carry less steppe ancestry than other Northern Spaniards, and the stereotypical Basque is someone with very dark traits.

[Jingle Bell]

Trentino-Alto Adige, they are basically Austrians/S. Germans

[Gusakoo]

"Trentino" and "Alto Adige" are the same region (Südtyrol), basically a part of Austria anexed by Italy.



Thats just my impression, also Basques carry less steppe ancestry than other Northern Spaniards, and the stereotypical Basque is someone with very dark traits.

If I'm not mistaken Trentino is ethnic North Italian while Alto Adige / South Tyrol is the only Germanic part. They're two ethnically different provinces forming a single region.
Let's see if an Italian member can clear up the doubt.

[Beowulf]

If I'm not mistaken Trentino is ethnic North Italian while Alto Adige / South Tyrol is the only Germanic part. They're two ethnically different provinces forming a single region.
Let's see if an Italian member can clear up the doubt.


Distance to: Italian_Trentino
0.01645712 Italy:Italian_Veneto:ALP250
0.01847873 Italy:Italian_Veneto:KF1800751
0.01909566 Italy:Italian_Veneto:Alp100
0.01951359 Italy:Italian_Veneto:ALP022
0.01994738 Italy:Italian_Veneto:Alp401
0.02012475 Italy:Italian_Veneto:KF1803109
0.02220187 Italy:Italian_Veneto:ALP273
0.02310284 Italy:Italian_Veneto:ALP322
0.02330820 Italy:Italian_Veneto:ALP209
0.02359894 Italy:Italian_Veneto:ALP040
0.02515154 Italy:Italian_Veneto:KF1800772
0.02539593 Italy:Italian_Veneto:ALP249
0.02632850 France:French_Auvergne:C_35
0.02681197 Italy:Italian_Veneto:ALP378
0.02806876 Italy:Italian_Veneto:ALP116
0.02841425 France:French_Auvergne:C_32
0.02861492 Italy:Italian_Veneto:KF1803105
0.02925172 Italy:Italian_Veneto:KF1803151
0.03087822 France:French_Auvergne:C_19
0.03117870 Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Barcelones:VID014
0.03183615 Germanic_People_of_CentralEurope:Austrian:Austria1 0
0.03195190 Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:EBC_Portugal3
0.03218925 France:French_Auvergne:C_9_2
0.03239932 France:French_Auvergne:C_29
0.03268496 France:French_Auvergne:C_21


Target: Italian_Trentino
Distance: 0.1869% / 0.00186942 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.2 Italy
28.8 France
15.6 Balkan
0.4 Iberian_Penninsula

[Marshall Theodore]

If I'm not mistaken Trentino is ethnic North Italian while Alto Adige / South Tyrol is the only Germanic part. They're two ethnically different provinces forming a single region.
Let's see if an Italian member can clear up the doubt.

Maybe, see how Sean pointed "Alto Adige" specifically on his post veredict.

[Septentrion]

I would go for those from Trentino!

Obviously those from Trentino-Alto Adige. However let’s not exaggerate.

[Marshall Theodore]

Obviously those from Trentino-Alto Adige. However let’s not exaggerate.

it's not exaggeration, but a fact, you're literally comparing a Iberian group with less steppe than average and a group of austrians living in Italy, the contrast would be obviously large.

[Gusakoo]

Distance to: Italian_Trentino
0.01645712 Italy:Italian_Veneto:ALP250
0.01847873 Italy:Italian_Veneto:KF1800751
0.01909566 Italy:Italian_Veneto:Alp100
0.01951359 Italy:Italian_Veneto:ALP022
0.01994738 Italy:Italian_Veneto:Alp401
0.02012475 Italy:Italian_Veneto:KF1803109
0.02220187 Italy:Italian_Veneto:ALP273
0.02310284 Italy:Italian_Veneto:ALP322
0.02330820 Italy:Italian_Veneto:ALP209
0.02359894 Italy:Italian_Veneto:ALP040
0.02515154 Italy:Italian_Veneto:KF1800772
0.02539593 Italy:Italian_Veneto:ALP249
0.02632850 France:French_Auvergne:C_35
0.02681197 Italy:Italian_Veneto:ALP378
0.02806876 Italy:Italian_Veneto:ALP116
0.02841425 France:French_Auvergne:C_32
0.02861492 Italy:Italian_Veneto:KF1803105
0.02925172 Italy:Italian_Veneto:KF1803151
0.03087822 France:French_Auvergne:C_19
0.03117870 Iberian_Penninsula:Spanish_Barcelones:VID014
0.03183615 Germanic_People_of_CentralEurope:Austrian:Austria1 0
0.03195190 Iberian_Penninsula:Portuguese:EBC_Portugal3
0.03218925 France:French_Auvergne:C_9_2
0.03239932 France:French_Auvergne:C_29
0.03268496 France:French_Auvergne:C_21


Target: Italian_Trentino
Distance: 0.1869% / 0.00186942 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.2 Italy
28.8 France
15.6 Balkan
0.4 Iberian_Penninsula

Looks like Trentino people are ethnic North Italians similar to their Venetian neighbours.
Do you have samples from South Tyrol to compare? I bet they are closest to Austrians.

[Eurafricanid]

Trentino-Alto Adige, they're basically Austrian, while the Basques are quintessencial Southern Europeans.

[Gusakoo]

it's not exaggeration, but a fact, you're literally comparing a Iberian group with less steppe than average and a group of austrians living in Italy, the contrast would be obviously large.

That's why I asked about Trentino because unlike Tyroleans they're proper North Italian.

[Beowulf]

Looks like Trentino people are ethnic North Italians similar to their Venetian neighbours.
Do you have samples from South Tyrol to compare? I bet they are closest to Austrians.

i couldn't find any south Tyrol sample yet but if i found one i will post it here

[Eurafricanid]

That's why I asked about Trentino because unlike Tyroleans they're proper North Italian.

Oh.... the ethnic Trentino whould probably be the same color-range as Basques.
Athough Basques are extremelly WHG and way less Steppe than Trentino.

[Ruggery]

"Trentino" and "Alto Adige" are the same region (Südtyrol), basically a part of Austria anexed by Italy.



Thats just my impression, also Basques carry less steppe ancestry than other Northern Spaniards, and the stereotypical Basque is someone with very dark traits.

Do you think that the Basques are darker than other northern Spaniards?

[Ruggery]

Obviously Trentino, you are comparing ethnic Germans with Spaniards, it would be more fair to compare other areas of northern Italy with the Basque Country or the people of Trentino with the people of Alsalcia/Lorraine since both cases are more similar areas of Germans absorbed by their neighboring countries .

[Marshall Theodore]

Do you think that the Basques are darker than other northern Spaniards?

Yes, i doubt they're lighter than Asturians and Galicians.

[Italicus]

"Trentino" and "Alto Adige" are the same region (Südtyrol), basically a part of Austria anexed by Italy.



Thats just my impression, also Basques carry less steppe ancestry than other Northern Spaniards, and the stereotypical Basque is someone with very dark traits.

No. Trentino is the ethnically Italian part, Sudtirol is the ethnically German part. They are united only politically.

[Odelia]

Not sure why a "Belgian" would care about whether Spaniards or Italians are lighter...:bored:

[Marshall Theodore]

Not sure why a "Belgian" would care about whether Spaniards or Italians are lighter...:bored:

Probably for trolling purposes

[aherne]

Italians from Trentino, based on pictures I saw, are considerably lighter than Basques up to the level of Southern French. They are atypical for Italians (lots of Kelto-Germanic influences)...

[Marshall Theodore]

Italians from Trentino, based on pictures I saw, are considerably lighter than Basques up to the level of Southern French. They are atypical for Italians (lots of Kelto-Germanic influences)...

Trentino Italians looks like regular North Italians, Alto-Adige ones looks similar to Austrians.

[alnortedelsur]

What is there so special about Spanish Basques to compare their lightness with Northern Italians from Trentino-Alto Adige?

They aren't lighter than other Spaniards. LOL at the delusional Belgian who made this thread.

[aherne]

Following the protests of Spanish members, I started to research how people in Trentino look like and, guess what, they are South European looking as any other Italians. Example:

https://www.uiltn.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/DSC_0103-1_imagefullwide-1-compressor-1140x600.jpg
https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C4D22AQGIuvInp0sKwA/feedshare-shrink_800/0/1675092763413?e=1678320000&v=beta&t=cPNHOfVEYRK3XnNv02c3VR0BhGFz5TwtAPG0jOCyVFE

They just cannot compare to ethnic Germans nearby or ethnic French living in Aosta. As for Basques, they look South European too only without any middle eastern component (1/5 of above faces can fit in middle east and 100% can fit as super typical Sicilians)

[Oliver109]

Following the protests of Spanish members, I started to research how people in Trentino look like and, guess what, they are South European looking as any other Italians. Example:

https://www.uiltn.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/DSC_0103-1_imagefullwide-1-compressor-1140x600.jpg
https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C4D22AQGIuvInp0sKwA/feedshare-shrink_800/0/1675092763413?e=1678320000&v=beta&t=cPNHOfVEYRK3XnNv02c3VR0BhGFz5TwtAPG0jOCyVFE

They just cannot compare to ethnic Germans nearby or ethnic French living in Aosta. As for Basques, they look South European too only without any middle eastern component (1/5 of above faces can fit in middle east and 100% can fit as super typical Sicilians)

Quite swarthy, many Spanish groups are lighter

[Immanenz]

Following the protests of Spanish members, I started to research how people in Trentino look like and, guess what, they are South European looking as any other Italians. Example:



They just cannot compare to ethnic Germans nearby or ethnic French living in Aosta. As for Basques, they look South European too only without any middle eastern component (1/5 of above faces can fit in middle east and 100% can fit as super typical Sicilians)

Keep also in mind that many South Italians moved to the north- that was espeically a big part in Mussolinis politics.

[Cristiano viejo]

Following the protests of Spanish members, I started to research how people in Trentino look like and, guess what, they are South European looking as any other Italians. Example:

https://www.uiltn.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/DSC_0103-1_imagefullwide-1-compressor-1140x600.jpg
https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C4D22AQGIuvInp0sKwA/feedshare-shrink_800/0/1675092763413?e=1678320000&v=beta&t=cPNHOfVEYRK3XnNv02c3VR0BhGFz5TwtAPG0jOCyVFE

They just cannot compare to ethnic Germans nearby or ethnic French living in Aosta. As for Basques, they look South European too only without any middle eastern component (1/5 of above faces can fit in middle east and 100% can fit as super typical Sicilians)

If that is how people from Trentino Alto Adige look like (I thought they were ethnic German) then NOT EVEN IN THE MOST CRAZY PARALLEL UNIVERSE they are lighter than Basques (or Spaniards from other regions).

[Monapps]

Keep also in mind that many South Italians moved to the north- that was espeically a big part in Mussolinis politics.

To Trentino too? I thought the terroni invasion was restricted to Northwest Italy (Lombardy, Piedmont, Liguria and Aosta).

[Immanenz]

To Trentino too? I thought the terroni invasion was restricted to Northwest Italy (Lombardy, Piedmont, Liguria and Aosta).

also to Alto Adige, but it was less attractive for South Itlalians (except cities like Bolzano) to stay there after wwII because of the local German speaking population and their autonomy. Until today you have to some degrees seperated schools actually etc.

[Monapps]

also to Alto Adige, but it was less attractive for South Itlalians (except cities like Bolzano) to stay there after wwII because of the local German speaking population and their autonomy. Until today you have to some degrees seperated schools actually etc.

I'm aware of Mussolini's plan to fill South Tyrol with Italian speakers but I think the settlers came from neighbouring northeastern Italian regions. Northeastern Italy was poor until recently so it didn't attract internal migrant like the north-west of the country did.

[Immanenz]

I'm aware of Mussolini's plan to fill South Tyrol with Italian speakers but I think the settlers came from neighbouring northeastern Italian regions. Northeastern Italy was poor until recently so it didn't attract internal migrant like the north-west of the country did.

Considering that Italy wasnt an united country until like 1870- the plan was to strengthen national unity. Some people in north Italian villages spoke almsot like Latin like languages, while South Italian dialects can be pretty hard to understand for people who can speak regular Italian.

[aherne]

Youngsters from Trentino high school:

https://www.ladigetto.it/files.php?file=Ricerca/Divin_bio_533994320.jpg

http://superiori.istitutosacrocuore.it/img/slideshow/Diplomi.jpg

https://www.trentotoday.it/~media/horizontal-hi/54627427189477/scuola-foto-ansa-2-2.jpg

[aherne]

If that is how people from Trentino Alto Adige look like...

I only quoted people from Trento... Bressanone (Brixen) in German speaking area:

https://iis-bressanone.edu.it/wp-content/gallery/267/mha-lasciato-per-fare-il-solda/immagine9.jpg
https://iis-bressanone.edu.it/wp-content/uploads/sites/267/nggallery/2018-19-strasburgo/DSC_0201.jpg

Excluding obvious immigrants, they pass best as Southern French (they are lighter than Italians for sure, but not dramatically)

[gixajo]

Yeah, Trentino-Alto-Adige seems to be very Germanic genetically.:rolleyes:


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Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.5251% / 0.01525057
57.8 Basque_Spanish
42.2 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.5810% / 0.02581015
57.0 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
43.0 Basque_Spanish

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.6990% / 0.01699039
59.6 Basque_Spanish
40.4 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige

[Laredo]

Northern Italians are 15-25% Germanic on average. Basques are more Atlantic facade to the British Isles.

[gixajo]

Northern Italians are 15-25% Germanic on average. Basques are more Atlantic facade to the British Isles.

How dare you?

In this forum it is forbidden to mention "Atlantic façade". It's taboo!!!

[Beowulf]

Yeah, Trentino-Alto-Adige seems to be very Germanic genetically.:rolleyes:


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Basque_Spanish:BAS31,0.133173,0.149283,0.058077,0. 011305,0.055395,-0.008088,-0.002585,0.002077,0.033542,0.046835,-0.009094,0.006894,-0.028543,-0.014863,0.022937,0.009281,0.000652,0.000127,-0.002011,-0.00025,0.005989,0.006925,-0.003697,-0.005663,0.000479
Basque_Spanish:BAS32,0.138864,0.156392,0.050534,0. 010982,0.04924,-0.003068,-0.001175,0.002308,0.034769,0.045195,0.002111,0.014 237,-0.018731,-0.018029,0.014929,0.014717,0.003651,-0.000127,-0.008045,0.000625,-0.001123,0.000742,-0.011709,-0.005422,-0.001557
Basque_Spanish:BAS33,0.126344,0.15436,0.058077,-0.000646,0.062781,-0.000837,-0.00094,0,0.02577,0.051755,-0.008931,0.012589,-0.016799,-0.007707,0.020494,0.001724,-0.007302,0.004181,-0.002388,-0.010505,0.015223,0.00779,-0.007395,-0.011447,0.002754
Basque_Spanish:BAS35,0.133173,0.152329,0.061094,0. 016796,0.053241,0.000279,-0.010575,0.005307,0.030065,0.040821,-0.005846,0.014687,-0.026164,-0.013625,0.020629,-0.002917,-0.009518,0.001774,-0.000251,-0.003877,0.017095,0.002349,-0.006532,-0.015062,-0.002155
Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP070,0.130897,0.142174,0.037335,0.003553,0 .041546,0.001116,0.005875,0.001615,0.010226,0.0231 44,-0.001786,0.002997,-0.010555,-0.001376,0.004614,-0.009281,-0.015907,0.003674,0.004651,-0.001751,-0.001248,-0.001484,-0.002958,0.001446,0.000838
Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP071,0.121791,0.14319,0.044877,0.007429,0. 038469,0.00251,0.004465,0.001615,0.010226,0.019317 ,-0.002598,0.006145,-0.013974,-0.005367,0.000407,0.005038,0.004303,0.00114,0.0052 79,-0.007754,0.00025,0.000247,0.000493,-0.000602,-0.007784
Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP114,0.122929,0.144205,0.027153,-0.018411,0.034468,-0.012271,0.002585,0.006461,0.009817,0.029704,0.001 786,0.002548,-0.014123,-0.011698,-0.005972,0.011933,0.012126,0.003801,0.001383,0.003 877,-0.001497,0.006059,-0.000863,-0.003012,-0.001796
Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP200,0.118376,0.147252,0.023004,-0.007106,0.035699,-0.01004,0.00235,0.000923,0.006749,0.020957,-0.007307,0.006444,-0.011298,0.002202,-0.004072,-0.003447,0.002999,0.001647,0.005908,0.00075,0.0001 25,0.005317,0.001109,0.001446,-0.007305
Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP259,0.125205,0.151314,0.035826,-0.004845,0.043393,-0.000558,0.006815,0.006231,0.015748,0.025331,-0.002761,0.009741,-0.014717,-0.005643,-0.000136,-0.003315,0.003781,-0.000887,0.002263,-0.002001,-0.004118,0.005441,-0.003944,0.00494,-0.002395
Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP395,0.132035,0.147252,0.037712,-0.004199,0.029544,-0.002231,0.001645,0.004384,0.013703,0.02606,-0.002111,0.007943,-0.015907,0.001239,-0.000407,-0.002121,0.004042,0,0.008799,-0.005503,-0.000374,-0.000124,0.003821,-0.001928,-0.003473
Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP420,0.124067,0.146236,0.036581,-0.000969,0.037545,-0.002231,-0.000235,-0.000231,0.01268,0.022597,-0.006333,-0.000749,-0.013528,0.000826,0.0019,-0.011933,-0.007171,0.00228,0.001634,-0.008754,-0.003119,0.004204,-0.001232,0.002169,-0.003832


Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.5251% / 0.01525057
57.8 Basque_Spanish
42.2 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.5810% / 0.02581015
57.0 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
43.0 Basque_Spanish

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.6990% / 0.01699039
59.6 Basque_Spanish
40.4 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige

Target: ivorixG25
Distance: 3.6316% / 0.03631558
71.6 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
28.4 Basque_Spanish

[Laredo]

How dare you?

In this forum it is forbidden to mention "Atlantic façade". It's taboo!!!

Just because I'm like 57-62% Spanish, doesn't mean I have to agree all the time with you guys :P

[Marshall Theodore]

Northern Italians are 15-25% Germanic on average. Basques are more Atlantic facade to the British Isles.

Atlantic facade is bullshit.

[gixajo]

Atlantic facade is bullshit.

"Is", but not "was".;)

[DraviXi99]

Atlantic facade is bullshit.

Why ?

[Marshall Theodore]

Why ?

Atlantic facade isnt real, at least not in terms of phenotype, every ppl has their own look instead of a continuum.

But If its talking about Celtic heritage/culture, so its debatable.

[Septentrion]

Atlantic facade isnt real, at least not in terms of phenotype, every ppl has their own look instead of a continuum.

But If its talking about Celtic heritage/culture, so its debatable.

Correct! The Atlantic Facade is what it is, a Facade or an illusion.

[Cristiano viejo]

Correct! The Atlantic Facade is what it is, a Facade or an illusion.

Correct! Like calling Nordic to Belgians, a Facade or an illusion.

[Septentrion]

Not sure why a "Belgian" would care about whether Spaniards or Italians are lighter...:bored:

Not sure why a Yankee like yourself on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean would care either. I am caring person, this is why I care.

[Septentrion]

Correct! Like calling Nordic to Belgians, a Facade or an illusion.

Belgians belong to the Nordic as well as Nordish race. This is a fact. The Atlantic Facade is an Iberian lie!


Noordse of Noord-Europese race

Keltisch type (overheersend element in Vlaanderen, meerderheid in Nederland en Noord- en West-Zwitserland, primair element in Engeland, Oost-Schotland en oud
Frankisch land in het zuidwesten van Duitsland, gebruikelijk in Wales en Ierland; oude Franken en noordelijke Kelten [de Germanokelten] waren van dit type dat, ondanks zijn naam, is
misschien wel het nauwst verbonden met de meest westelijke en zuidelijke van de oude Germaanse volkeren en hun nakomelingen)

For you to understand :

Raza nórdica o del norte de Europa

Tipo celta (elemento predominante en Flandes, mayoritario en los Países Bajos y el norte y oeste de Suiza, elemento principal en Inglaterra, el este de Escocia y la antigua
país franco en el suroeste de Alemania, común en Gales e Irlanda; Los antiguos francos y celtas del norte [los Germanokelten] eran de este tipo que, a pesar de su nombre, es
quizás más estrechamente asociado con el más occidental y el más meridional de los antiguos pueblos germánicos y sus descendientes)

[PaganPoet]

Belgians belong to the Nordic as well as Nordish race. This is a fact.
No, they mostly do not. They are categorised under a term that contains the word "nordic" or "nordid" by some people, but that doesn't mean they resemble those people.
Belgians are predominanty central European in looks and genetics. Period.

[Septentrion]

No, they mostly do not. They are categorised under a term that contains the word "nordic" or "nordid" by some people, but that doesn't mean they resemble those people.
Belgians are predominanty central European in looks and genetics. Period.

The thing is that, you don’t know what you are talking about. In terms of physical anthropology. When I say that Belgians are Nordid, it is in the Iron Age Nordic sense not the Scandinavian sense. Another name for this Keltic Nordid phenotype is Iron Age Central European Nordid. This is where the Belgians get their looks from, the Iron Age Central European Nordids. This phenotype was brought to our land by the Ancient Belgae and Frankish tribes. It is always good to know well your topic.

[PaganPoet]

The thing is that, you don’t know what you are talking about. In terms of physical anthropology. When I say that Belgians are Nordid, it is in the Iron Age Nordic sense not the Scandinavian sense. Another name go this Keltic Nordid phenotype is Iron Age Central European Nordid. This is Belgians get their looks from, the Iron Age Central European Nordids.

But that is just old fashioned terminology with an agenda.
Doesn't mean it is serious.
You can brag how much you memorized, but that doesn't make it an actual science.
We cluster more with central Europeans than your favorite NW peoples. Period. You just extract your favorite information that suits your own sense of identity.

[Septentrion]

But that is just old fashioned terminology with an agenda.
Doesn't mean it is serious.
You can brag how much you memorized, but that doesn't make it an actual science.
We cluster more with central Europeans than your favorite NW peoples. Period. You just extract your favorite information that suits your own sense of identity.

I advise you not mix in anthropological with genetical terms. Due to the fact that these two schools of thought developed independent from one another. NW Europe isn’t my favorite. As Belgians, we are NW Europeans. Since, you’re using the genetics card on me, I will post the genetical study where Belgians are grouped with the other NW Europeans.

[PaganPoet]

I advise you not mix in anthropological with genetical terms. Due to the fact that these two schools of thought developed independent from one another. NW Europe isn’t my favorite. As Belgians, we are NW Europeans. Since, you’re using the genetics card on me, I will post the genetical study where Belgians are grouped with the other NW Europeans.

We cluster with central and Southeast Europeans more than to British and Scandinavian.
https://i.redd.it/gn794ozht90z.jpg

[Monapps]

every ppl has their own look instead of a continuum.

Ever seen an European wide PCA? The continuum exists.

[Septentrion]

We cluster with central and Southeast Europeans more than to British and Scandinavian.
https://i.redd.it/gn794ozht90z.jpg

Not. Where did you get that nonsense? How can we being in NW Europe cluster with Balkanites ( South-East Europeans? Something is wrong with that picture. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. I cannot buy that lie.
Rather this is more realistic:
Friday, August 24, 2018
Global25 workshop 3: genes vs geography in Northern Europe

We ( Belgians) genetically are between Northern Euros ( English, Irish, Swedes) and Western Europeans ( Germans)
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SU_xP1DlJgI/W_5xwKsE2iI/AAAAAAAAHV4/C-f36cURkDIkutMJFSsR_1Tq4Ds4_mGugCLcBGAs/s1600/G25_North_Euro_LDA.png

[PaganPoet]

Not. Where did you get that nonsense? How can we being in NW Europe cluster with Balkanites ( South-East Europeans? Something is wrong with that picture. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. I cannot buy that lie.
Rather this is more realistic:
Friday, August 24, 2018
Global25 workshop 3: genes vs geography in Northern Europe

We ( Belgians) genetically are between Northern Euros ( English, Irish, Swedes) and Western Europeans ( Germans)
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SU_xP1DlJgI/W_5xwKsE2iI/AAAAAAAAHV4/C-f36cURkDIkutMJFSsR_1Tq4Ds4_mGugCLcBGAs/s1600/G25_North_Euro_LDA.png
Not nonsense at all.
That map you show takes geographic location in account. If you check out the mess of overlapping groupings this doesn't even contradict what I posted.

[Vid Flumina]

Random students from Trentino :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhkfzWssF4c


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ0Dua35Knc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=473FgRv5Hfk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiXNMNTmdWM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmoLu52HTeA

[Cristiano viejo]

Belgians belong to the Nordic as well as Nordish race. This is a fact.

The Atlantic Facade is an Iberian lie!

Iberian lie???????????????????? no one in Iberia knows this stupid Atlantic Facade thing, from where do you get Iberians spread it or even invented it??

The day you see a Spanish or a Portuguese claiming the Atlantic Facade same than you are here claiming the Nordic Facade we will speak :lol:

[Septentrion]

Iberian lie???????????????????? no one in Iberia knows this stupid Atlantic Facade thing, from where do you get Iberians spread it or even invented it??

The day you see a Spanish or a Portuguese claiming the Atlantic Facade same than you are here claiming the Nordic Facade we will speak :lol:

Ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha! The day I see? That day has long gone passed, years and years ago! Dude, you are late. All these Iberians are NW Europeans wannabe. They sure don't like their Mediterranean racial nature.They have a much greater complex of inferiority vis a vis Northern Euros. Italians show more confidence. You all hide your Mediterranean swarthiness behind the so-called Atlantic Facade.

[DraviXi99]

Ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha! The day I see? That day has long gone passed, years and years ago! Dude, you are late. All these Iberians are NW Europeans wannabe. They sure don't like their Mediterranean racial nature.They have a much greater complex of inferiority vis a vis Northern Euros. Italians show more confidence. You all hide your Mediterranean swarthiness behind the so-called Atlantic Facade.

Portuguese are not meds,they lack the A33 - B14 - DR1 Haplogroup.

[Odelia]

Not sure why a Yankee like yourself on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean would care either. I am caring person, this is why I care.
Um booboo, I am Italian, so I do care about my people. :bored:

[Marshall Theodore]

Ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha! The day I see? That day has long gone passed, years and years ago! Dude, you are late. All these Iberians are NW Europeans wannabe. They sure don't like their Mediterranean racial nature.They have a much greater complex of inferiority vis a vis Northern Euros. Italians show more confidence. You all hide your Mediterranean swarthiness behind the so-called Atlantic Facade.

Maybe because nobody trolls Italians, including you? perhaps nobody links italian swarthoids to non-euro admixture? what do you wait about all these shitstorm against iberia?

[Gallop]

Um booboo, I am Italian, so I do care about my people. :bored:

Unfortunately in some cases I do not hear the same. :(

[DraviXi99]

Maybe because nobody trolls Italians, including you? perhaps nobody links italian swarthoids to non-euro admixture? what do you wait about all these shitstorm against iberia?

Iberians (specially the portuguese) are not even the most swarthy europeans in europe.

[Marshall Theodore]

Iberians (specially the portuguese) are not even the most swarthy europeans in europe.

Sure.

[PaganPoet]

Being swarthy on average and having extremely swarthy individuals are not necessarily the two same phenomena. Tho endlessly getting mixed up on this forum.

[Marshall Theodore]

Being swarthy on average and having extremely swarthy individuals are not necessarily the two same phenomena. Tho endlessly getting mixed up on this forum.

What do you mean by "swarthy on average"?

[PaganPoet]

What do you mean by "swarthy on average"?

That if you morph their faces you would get a swarthy average. Due to a minority of light colored individuals.

[Cristiano viejo]

Ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha! The day I see? That day has long gone passed, years and years ago! Dude, you are late. All these Iberians are NW Europeans wannabe. They sure don't like their Mediterranean racial nature.They have a much greater complex of inferiority vis a vis Northern Euros. Italians show more confidence. You all hide your Mediterranean swarthiness behind the so-called Atlantic Facade.
Juaaaaaaaaaaaaaas, I am not who is claiming my people is Nordic, hiding your Mediterranean swarthiness behind the so called Nordic Facade :laugh:

Prove Spaniards spread the Atlantic Facade, retard :thumb001:

Iberians (specially the portuguese) are not even the most swarthy europeans in europe.

Portuguese are swarthier than Spaniards, dear.

[Septentrion]

Juaaaaaaaaaaaaaas, I am not who is claiming my people is Nordic, hiding your Mediterranean swarthiness behind the so called Nordic Facade :laugh:

Prove Spaniards spread the Atlantic Facade, retard :thumb001:


Portuguese are swarthier than Spaniards, dear.

There is no such thing as the Atlantic Facade. What can you do now? You are stuck in Southern Europe. Portuguese and Spaniards, you are all the same (Iberians) anyway.

[Septentrion]

Portuguese are not meds,they lack the A33 - B14 - DR1 Haplogroup.

The Portuguese are a Mediterranean people by excellence. In fact no other European country may be more Mediterranean in race than Portugal. Common Mediterranean racial features are found throughout the Portuguese population (north to south). The modern Iberian gene pool is overwhelmingly Mediterranean.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mediterranean_countries

[Marshall Theodore]

The Portuguese are a Mediterranean people by excellence. In fact no other European country may be more Mediterranean in race than Portugal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mediterranean_countries

Autism on its purest form.

Where's Sardinia/South Italy/Greece?

[PaganPoet]

Portugal does not touch the Mediterranean sea, for instance...

[Septentrion]

Autism on its purest form.

Where's Sardinia/South Italy/Greece?

Sardinia is not a country by the way. I thought you were smarter than that. Southern Italy is never more Mediterranean than Portugal, rather it's Med-mixed with either Dinarid or Alpine. Greece is very Mediterranean but still less so than Portugal. Additionally, Mediterranean Proper phenotypes prevail in Portugal and most of Iberia more so than anywhere else in the world.

[PaganPoet]

Sardinia is not a country by the way.

He didn't imply that. You always add meaning that isn't inteded to begin with.

[Septentrion]

Portugal does not touch the Mediterranean sea, for instance...

Really? You going to come up with that? You should really smarten up, fellow North-West European, ASAP!

[PaganPoet]

Really? You going to come up with that? You should really smarten up, fellow North-West European, ASAP!

I should nothing.
You should become intellectually honest, you crypto nordic factotum.

[Marshall Theodore]

Additionally, Mediterranean Proper phenotypes prevail in Portugal and most of Iberia more so than anywhere else in the world.

Pure autism, did you at least traveled there? Im literally 3/4 Iberian by blood (most from North Portugal/Galicia) and there's Med looking individual relatives of mine, for sure, however is pratically 50/50, a lot of them have Baskid, Atlantid or Alpine traits, moron.

[Odelia]

Sardinia is not a country by the way. I thought you were smarter than that. Southern Italy is never more Mediterranean than Portugal, rather it's Med-mixed with either Dinarid or Alpine. Greece is very Mediterranean but still less so than Portugal. Additionally, Mediterranean Proper phenotypes prevail in Portugal and most of Iberia more so than anywhere else in the world.
What the fuck!? That's the most retarded shit I've read in this forum so far. Sardinia is in the heart of the Mediterranean sea you dumbass but a country thousands of miles away is "more Mediterranean"! What drugs are you on? :picard1:

[Septentrion]

What the fuck!? That's the most retarded shit I've read in this forum so far. Sardinia is in the heart of the Mediterranean sea you dumbass but a country thousands of miles away is "more Mediterranean"! What drugs are you on? :picard1:

Yucky! You have a filthy mouth. Watch your language. OK! Sardinia isn’t a country. Case closed.

[Odelia]

Yucky! You have a filthy mouth. Watch your language. OK! Sardinia isn’t a country. Case closed.
Aha strawman! Just admit you were wrong. No one's talking about what's a country and what isn't. :rolleyes2: But I know that the regions of my country, from Sardinia to Sicily, they are more Mediterranean than Portugal!

[PaganPoet]

Yucky! You have a filthy mouth. Watch your language. OK! Sardinia isn’t a country. Case closed.

You could have at least argued that you meant Mediterranean phenotype, and not location.

[Cristiano viejo]

There is no such thing as the Atlantic Facade. What can you do now? You are stuck in Southern Europe. Portuguese and Spaniards, you are all the same (Iberians) anyway.

I could not care less about the Atlantic Facade since I dont want to be related to British, Dutch or Belgians, stupid sucker of Nordic people without being one :thumb001:

[Oliver109]

I could not care less about the Atlantic Facade since I dont want to be related to British, Dutch or Belgians, stupid sucker of Nordic people without being one :thumb001:

Lol you probably look British hombre

[Cristiano viejo]

Lol you probably look British hombre
Of course I dont.

Again you mistake passing with looking.

[Damião de Góis]

Portuguese are swarthier than Spaniards, dear.

Oh yes, on the other side of the border be vikings. Just on the other day i saw some on the train.

[Cristiano viejo]

Oh yes, on the other side of the border be vikings. Just on the other day i saw some on the train.

Fuck vikings.

[Oliver109]

Oh yes, on the other side of the border be vikings. Just on the other day i saw some on the train.

No but in seriousness the Portuguese have less light elements than the Spanish, on the other hand the Spanish actually sometimes have a tendancy to look more exotic than Portuguese who have more Med rather than near eastern looks.

[Damião de Góis]

No but in seriousness the Portuguese have less light elements than the Spanish, on the other hand the Spanish actually sometimes have a tendancy to look more exotic than Portuguese who have more Med rather than near eastern looks.

I would discuss this with spanish people, with you it would be a waste of time. You have shown to be retarded time after time and you're a foreigner.
You have classified these two portuguese people as Med, which makes your sentence useless:

https://i.imgur.com/3aIfwx6.png

https://i.imgur.com/RCDjw47.jpg

[Oliver109]

I would discuss this with spanish people, with you it would be a waste of time. You have shown to be retarded time after time and you're a foreigner.
You have classified these two portuguese people as Med, which makes your sentence useless:

https://i.imgur.com/3aIfwx6.png

https://i.imgur.com/RCDjw47.jpg

But they have med influences, anyway discuss with perfectly reasonable Spaniards like the fella from Albacete

[aherne]

But they have med influences, anyway discuss with perfectly reasonable Spaniards like the fella from Albacete

No... first guy is regular Cro-Magnon, second guy is Corded mixed with Baskid (an Iberian blonde)

[Oliver109]

No... first guy is regular Cro-Magnon, second guy is Corded mixed with Baskid (an Iberian blonde)

I see med influences in the firsts pigmentation and the seconds face narrowness

[Cristiano viejo]

I see med influences in the firsts pigmentation

hahahahaha, i dont know if you are so retard in real life, I think this is not possible but who knows xD

so the pigmentation of this guy shows he is Med :laugh2:
https://i.imgur.com/3aIfwx6.png

then, FUCKIN RETARD, all Europe is Med :lightbul:

[Odelia]

hahahahaha, i dont know if you are so retard in real life, I think this is not possible but who knows xD

so the pigmentation of this guy shows he is Med :laugh2:
https://i.imgur.com/3aIfwx6.png

then, FUCKIN RETARD, all Europe is Med :lightbul:
This guy has yellow to olive skin. He clearly looks more southern and has med tendencies. Compare him to the abba singer:

https://media.gettyimages.com/id/73987407/photo/photo-of-abba.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=v6MZKx3RbpJTYNZ_GjBvEOPRTciAlspcDd0r6KjJiwQ=

You can clearly see there are differences. So your point on "all europe is med then" FAILS! People can be fucking ash blonde haired and have totally different features! :coffee:

[alnortedelsur]

This guy has yellow to olive skin. He clearly looks more southern and has med tendencies. Compare him to the abba singer:

https://media.gettyimages.com/id/73987407/photo/photo-of-abba.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=v6MZKx3RbpJTYNZ_GjBvEOPRTciAlspcDd0r6KjJiwQ=

You can clearly see there are differences. So your point on "all europe is med then" FAILS! People can be fucking ash blonde haired and have totally different features! :coffee:

The Portuguese man has a standard/fair European average complexion, while the Abba singer has a pale as fuck Scandinavian complexion.

Yeah sure! a very fair comparison :rolleyes:

[Septentrion]

What the fuck!? That's the most retarded shit I've read in this forum so far. Sardinia is in the heart of the Mediterranean sea you dumbass but a country thousands of miles away is "more Mediterranean"! What drugs are you on? :picard1:

No. You useless Yankee! I am talking about Mediterranean Proper ( Classic Meds), they are most common and more numerous in the Iberian Peninsula. The Portuguese and Spaniards are “purer” in the Mediterranean sense than Italians. Over in Sardinia, a good ratio of Mediterranean Proper are found in comparison to the rest of Italy, nevertheless that doesn’t equal Iberia. A coarser Med type is found there. Your foul mouth is not helping you, be therefore descent. Increase your knowledge in anthropology instead. Stop being so ignorant.

[Marshall Theodore]

Increase your knowledge in anthropology instead. Stop being so ignorant.

Genetics>>>>>""Anthropology""
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwSGdQFYgV9mzXoQxC6uUBCMFmAxdyI BUFiA&usqp=CAU
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRvB6ahaRiHZ7aZcx5O4IWW5p6-uTaHbryGXgl5UdWzpsQ32wAlHQHqhCln&s=10

Sardinia/Italy as whole is clearly "more Med" and i there's no reason you being obsessed with these people, specially Iberians.

[Septentrion]

Genetics>>>>>""Anthropology""
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwSGdQFYgV9mzXoQxC6uUBCMFmAxdyI BUFiA&usqp=CAU
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Sardinia/Italy as whole is clearly "more Med" and i there's no reason you being obsessed with these people, specially Iberians.

Let us stop confusing genetics with anthropology. I’m obsessed with Iberians. I’m just saying things the way they are.

[Marshall Theodore]

Let us stop confusing genetics with anthropology.

At least genetics isnt pseudo-science.

[Beowulf]

Genetics>>>>>""Anthropology""
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwSGdQFYgV9mzXoQxC6uUBCMFmAxdyI BUFiA&usqp=CAU
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRvB6ahaRiHZ7aZcx5O4IWW5p6-uTaHbryGXgl5UdWzpsQ32wAlHQHqhCln&s=10

Sardinia/Italy as whole is clearly "more Med" and i there's no reason you being obsessed with these people, specially Iberians.

it's quite weird that sicily have more EEF admixture than sardinia who are supposed to be the Europeans with more EEF admixture

[Jingle Bell]

it's quite weird that sicily have more EEF admixture than sardinia who are supposed to be the Europeans with more EEF admixture

Yeah something wrong in this map
also EEF = 75% ENF and 25% WHG, and thats shows that greeks are 70% EEF, while greeks dont have more than 5% WHG and they just have abt 50% ENF

https://i.imgur.com/TRDUUPH.png

but his point its right, Genetics are precise while Taxonomy its kinda pseudo-science, says that Iberians are the more med (ENF) its genetically wrong

[Beowulf]

Yeah something wrong in this map
also EEF = 75% ENF and 25% WHG, and thats shows that greeks are 70% EEF, while greeks dont have more than 5% WHG and they just have abt 50% ENF

https://i.imgur.com/TRDUUPH.png

but his point its right, Genetics are precise while Taxonomy its kinda pseudo-science, says that Iberians are the more med (ENF) its genetically wrong

btw the other day i found a map about NW european admixture in Europe:

https://i.postimg.cc/mgHFCJXd/Northwest-European-admixture.gif (https://postimages.org/)

[Jingle Bell]

btw the other day i found a map about NW european admixture in Europe:

https://i.postimg.cc/mgHFCJXd/Northwest-European-admixture.gif (https://postimages.org/)



interresting but how N. Caucasians have more NW ancestry than Greeks??? Greeks are abt 30% Slavs xd

[Jingle Bell]

btw the other day i found a map about NW european admixture in Europe:

https://i.postimg.cc/mgHFCJXd/Northwest-European-admixture.gif (https://postimages.org/)

also Sardinians scoring 30%???

[Cristiano viejo]

Let us stop confusing genetics with anthropology. I’m obsessed with Iberians. I’m just saying things the way they are.
Finally you recognized your obsession toward us.

dont worry, Septentrion the Easterner, you are not the only one, Odelia is other example xD


This guy has yellow to olive skin. He clearly looks more southern and has med tendencies. Compare him to the abba singer:

[img]https://media.gettyimages.com/id/73987407/photo/photo-of-abba.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=v6MZKx3RbpJTYNZ_GjBvEOPRTciAlspcDd0r6

You can clearly see there are differences. So your point on "all europe is med then" FAILS! People can be fucking ash blonde haired and have totally different features! :coffee:
hahahaha :laugh2:

[Marshall Theodore]

Let us stop confusing genetics with anthropology. I’m obsessed with Iberians. I’m just saying things the way they are.

Finally you admit you're obsessed with my ancestors.

[Beowulf]

also Sardinians scoring 30%???

the same with the other maps these are from old calculators

[Aldaris]

Let us stop confusing genetics with anthropology. I’m obsessed with Iberians. I’m just saying things the way they are.

Was that just an unintentional error or the final nail in the coffin for your integrity?

[Cristiano viejo]

Was that just an unintentional error or the final nail in the coffin for your integrity?

the subconscious (if he has one) played a trick on him :laugh:

[Damião de Góis]

Well, since Odelio has classified that man as an olive skinned mediterranean i think that settles the question.

[Septentrion]

But they have med influences, anyway discuss with perfectly reasonable Spaniards like the fella from Albacete

People tend to forget this simple fact.
There are Northern European racial strains which have been gradually assimilated into the majority Mediterranean population, but some of their genetic traits, existing in solution, occasionally recombine to appear in individuals whose other traits may be mostly non-Northern European racially.

[Septentrion]

Finally you admit you're obsessed with my ancestors.

I meant that I’m not obsessed.

[Septentrion]

I could not care less about the Atlantic Facade since I dont want to be related to British, Dutch or Belgians, stupid sucker of Nordic people without being one :thumb001:

I am not a sucker and definitely far from stupid.. It is a fact that the Northern European racial type which is the rule for the populations of the British Isles, Scandinavia and the Netherlands, is also predominant in Belgium. The same cannot be said about Spain.

[PaganPoet]

is also predominant in Belgium.

No it is not.
Alpine is.
Your sources are lying.

[Septentrion]

No it is not.
Alpine is.
Your sources are lying.

My sources are lying? Please stop making me laugh. You are hilarious. What do you know?

[PaganPoet]

My sources are lying? Please stop making me laugh. You are hilarious.

You are only one laughing at it.
Your stupid "Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!"
Most people here don't agree with your nonsense.
Another proof off your lack of expertise is you almost never applying your "knowledge" in the Taxonomy section.

And you send usually ATLEAST HALF AN HOUR editing and replying posts. Often going offline before finishing. Slow and thick.

[Septentrion]

You are only one laughing at it.
Your stupid "Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!"
Most people here don't agree with your nonsense.
Another proof off your lack of expertise is you almost never applying your "knowledge" in the Taxonomy section.

And you send usually ATLEAST HALF AN HOUR editing and replying posts. Often going offline before finishing. Slow and thick.

Most people don’t agree with the truth. I’m not here to agree, but to present facts regardless. “Lack of expertise?”, what do you know? You are nothing but a true amateur. Ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!

[Septentrion]

No it is not.
Alpine is.
Your sources are lying.

Look at you, amateur! The Alpine proportions are too small and are below the Belgian mean. The Borreby forms a majority element in our population of Wallonia, not the Alpine which is more appropriate for Luxembourg, France, parts of Germany, Switzerland and Austria.

[PaganPoet]

Look at you, amateur! The Alpine proportions are too small and are below the Belgian mean. The Borreby forms a majority element in our population of Wallonia, not the Alpine which is more appropriate for France, Luxembourg.

Textbook Alpinids maybe.
But then again...you are very "textbook" yourself ...

You are in nonway professional yourself.

[Septentrion]

You are only one laughing at it.
Your stupid "Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!"
Most people here don't agree with your nonsense.
Another proof off your lack of expertise is you almost never applying your "knowledge" in the Taxonomy section.

And you send usually ATLEAST HALF AN HOUR editing and replying posts. Often going offline before finishing. Slow and thick.

Going offline? What for? Sorry I don’t have that issue.

[Septentrion]

Textbook Alpinids maybe.
But then again...you are very "textbook" yourself ...

You are in nonway professional yourself.

Only a minority of Belgians may be Alpine in the true sense. “Very textbook?”, OK. Oh well, this is why many of you don’t have a clue of what you are talking about, but then engage in a physical anthropology debate. Please shut up and learn then. I studied anthropology in college as a minor.

[PaganPoet]

Only a minority of Belgians may be Alpine in the true sense.

They can still be more Alpinid than anything else. Which is probably the case.

[Septentrion]

They can still be more Alpinid than anything else. Which is probably the case.

I did not disagree with that aspect. There are many Belgians who look Alpine ( West Alpinid) without a doubt. In fact, this racial element is more common in Wallonia.

[PaganPoet]

I did not disagree with that aspect. There are many Belgians who look Alpine ( West Alpinid) without a doubt. In fact, this racial element is more common in Wallonia.

Alpinid is what binds the lighter and darker people in our population. So it would make sense mostly that this is most predominant.

[Cristiano viejo]

I am not a sucker and definitely far from stupid.. It is a fact that the Northern European racial type which is the rule for the populations of the British Isles, Scandinavia and the Netherlands, is also predominant in Belgium. The same cannot be said about Spain.
Fortunately.

[Septentrion]

Alpinid is what binds the lighter and darker people in our population. So it would make sense mostly that this is most predominant.

The Alpinid is intermediate in pigmentation, nor dark, nor light. However, this race has dimensions, proportions which our population exceeds. Therefore our population is more identical to the Borreby size than to Alpine.

[Septentrion]

Fortunately.

Good! Now I can see some Southern European pride.

[Cristiano viejo]

Good! Now I can see some Southern European pride.

I still dont see your Central European pride.

[Septentrion]

I still dont see your Central European pride.

I'm not Central European. I can't be proud of what I'm not. See.

This is where my country is located at (Western Europe) :
https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w960-q80/upload/19/1c/f9/western-europe-countries.png

There are nine European countries which are recognized as Western European. The European Union organization originated in Western Europe. Then later absorbed other nations in Southern (e.g. Spain), Northern (Denmark). Be proud of who you are, southerner!

[PaganPoet]

I'm not Central European. I can't be proud of what I'm not. See.

This is where my country is located at (Western Europe) :
https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w960-q80/upload/19/1c/f9/western-europe-countries.png

There are nine European countries which are recognized as Western European.
You belong to the special club now!

[DraviXi99]

I'm not Central European. I can't be proud of what I'm not. See.

This is where my country is located at (Western Europe) :
https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w960-q80/upload/19/1c/f9/western-europe-countries.png

There are nine European countries which are recognized as Western European.

Belgium is part of central - europe.

[Septentrion]

Belgium is part of central - europe.

No such thing.

[Cristiano viejo]

I'm not Central European. I can't be proud of what I'm not. See.

Indeed you are an ashamed boy of your ethnicity, and a complexed.

[Beowulf]

Belgium is part of central - europe.

not really

https://i.postimg.cc/Njc7kZDq/descarga-7.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Cristiano viejo]

not really

https://i.postimg.cc/Njc7kZDq/descarga-7.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

hOw in hell geographically speaking the grey zones at left of the blue ones, ie at the same latitude, could not be Central Europe too?????? :picard1:

[Beowulf]

hOw in hell geographically speaking the grey zones at left of the blue ones, ie at the same latitude, could not be Central Europe too?????? :picard1:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_Central

[Cristiano viejo]

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_Central

No existe un acuerdo unánime sobre qué territorios forman esta región debido a las diferentes consideraciones de carácter histórico las cuales son más que geográficas.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_Central

[Beowulf]

No existe un acuerdo unánime sobre qué territorios forman esta región debido a las diferentes consideraciones de carácter histórico las cuales son más que geográficas.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_Central

Lo sé pero es mas una estimación en el caso de Belgica la consideraria mas Europa Occidental mas que central sobre que se considere a los paises balticos como europa central yo personalmente no lo veo.

habria que buscar y preguntar a belgas si se consideran mas europeos centrales o occidentales.

[Cristiano viejo]

Lo sé pero es mas una estimación en el caso de Belgica la consideraria mas Europa Occidental mas que central sobre que se considere a los paises balticos como europa central yo personalmente no lo veo.

habria que buscar y preguntar a belgas si se consideran mas europeos centrales o occidentales.

Los belgas podrían considerarse a sí mismos marcianos, eso no cambiaría la realidad.

Creo que discutimos cosas diferentes, yo voy más norte-sur y creo que tú vas más este-oeste.

[Beowulf]

Los belgas podrían considerarse a sí mismos marcianos, eso no cambiaría la realidad.

Creo que discutimos cosas diferentes, yo voy más norte-sur y creo que tú vas más este-oeste.

si, hablaba sobre este-oeste, bueno quien mal entiende mal responde es normal :)