Famous Albanians and their Y-DNA haplogroups

[North Sea]

Mic Sokoli - J2b2-L283>PH1751

Albanian guerrilla fighter who fought against the Ottomans and the Montenigrins.

Mic Sokoli is remembered in particular for an act that has entered the chronicles of Albanian legend as a deed of exemplary heroism: At the battle of Silvova against Ottoman forces in April 1881, he died when he pressed his body against the mouth of a Turkish cannon

https://bibloteka.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/mic-sokoli.jpg

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mic_Sokoli

[North Sea]

Çerçiz Topulli: J2b2-L283>PH1751

Çerçiz Topulli(20 September 1880 - 15 July 1915) was an Albanian revolutionary and guerrilla fighter involved in the national movement operating in the mountainous areas of southern Albania

He was known for fighting the Ottomans in 1907 and 1908 and then after they left, the Greeks in 1913 and 1914 during theBalkan Wars

https://i.redd.it/6bf7hxn7h1m11.jpg



Çerçiz Topulli subordinated religious differences and every other consideration to this goal of national liberation:

"Each Mohammedan has a duty to die for a Christian because he is blood of his blood; in the same way each Christian should die for a Mohammedan who is likewise blood of his own blood[28]"

Topulli was a strong advocate against the Ottomans:

"We go with rifle in hand, out into the mountains, to seek freedom, justice, civilization and progress for all ... to expel the Turks from our dear Motherland[28]"




https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Çerçiz_Topulli

[North Sea]

Frasheri Brothers - Sami, Abdyl & Naim Frashëri - E1b-V13>BY4661

It was rumored they were of Aromanian origin but a DNA test of some of their relatives show they belong to a typical Albanian EV13 clade.

The Frasheris were writers, philospohers, poets, politicians and patriotic, having inspired the Albanian national awakening through their work.


https://kryegjyshataboterorebektashiane.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/frasheri.png




https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdyl_Frashëri

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_Frashëri

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naim_Frashëri

[North Sea]

Ded Gjo Luli (Dedvukaj) - J2b2>L283>CTS11100


Ded Gjo Luli(1840–24 September 1915), was an Albanian nationalist figure and guerrilla leader most notable for commanding the 1911 revolt against Ottoman troops. He was posthumously awarded the "Hero of Albania". Luli was the clan chieftain of the Hoti tribe.[1]


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Ded_gjo_luli.gif


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ded_Gjo_Luli

[Vojnik]

Sokol=Hawk. :rotfl:

[Ryuk]

From Adriatic to Caucasus

Y DNA J2b is badass. :thumb001:

[North Sea]

Sokol=Hawk. :rotfl:

Yeah, its also a name used among Albanians , both surname and first name. Its Slavic in origin. But the people who carry it ain't of such origin. We also use other Slavic names. I know an Albanian guy with first name Sokol. Albanians used to have Slavic names. And we adopted Slavic words. It's normal. Same way we adopted Turkish , Latin etc.

[North Sea]

From Adriatic to Caucasus

Y DNA J2b is badass. :thumb001:

Yeah, a lot of warriors for this clade :D

[Ayetooey]

Is the Y dna of Enver Hoxha known?

[karakartal]

Is this true or fake? What is your source?

[North Sea]

Bajram Curri - J2b2-L283>PH1751


Bajram Curri(16 January 1862[1]– 29 March 1925) was an Albanian chieftain, politician and activist who struggled for the independence of Albania, later struggling for Kosovo's incorporation into it following the 1913 Treaty of London. He was posthumously given the title Hero of Albania.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Bajram_Curri_%28portrait%29.jpg



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bajram_Curri

[Vojnik]

Yeah, its also a name used among Albanians , both surname and first name. Its Slavic in origin. But the people who carry it ain't of such origin. We also use other Slavic names. I know an Albanian guy with first name Sokol. Albanians used to have Slavic names. And we adopted Slavic words. It's normal. Same way we adopted Turkish , Latin etc.

Yeah, probably from back when you were mostly Orthodox.

[North Sea]

Is the Y dna of Enver Hoxha known?

No. I don't think it is known. I'll check.


Is this true or fake? What is your source?

My source is the Albanian YDNA project who have tested some of these peoples relatives. I have taken all the results from there.

[karakartal]

No. I don't think it is known. I'll check.



My source is the Albanian YDNA project who have tested some of these peoples relatives. I have taken all the results from there.

flamenderit

[North Sea]

Yeah, probably from back when you were mostly Orthodox.

Indeed there was a time when we were largely Orthodox I believe . I saw many Albanians of those times had Slavic names. We also took some Slavic brides.

[North Sea]

Eqrem Çabej - J2b-M205

From Gjirokaster, Southern Albania.

Eqrem Çabej (Albanian pronunciation:[ˌɛcrɛm ˈt͡ʃabɛj]) (6 August 1908 – 13 August 1980) was an Albanian historical linguist and scholar who, through the publication of numerous studies gained a reputation as a key expert in the research into Albanian-language, literature, ethnology and linguistics.

http://www.gazeta-shqip.com/lajme/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Cabej-640x744.jpg

[North Sea]

I have some more , some less known others more known internationally but I think there should be more tested. Will update more later.

[Vojnik]

I wish Macedonians can organise this and get DNA from our revolutionaries somehow. Instead we are too busy selling our name.

[North Sea]

Albanian Rapper Unikkatil , tested himself E-V13>CTS9320>Z38456 and is also one of the admins of the project..

https://yt3.ggpht.com/-TlSKU7f93_I/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/BDuSUiy08I0/s900-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unikkatil

[North Sea]

I wish Macedonians can organise this and get DNA from our revolutionaries somehow. Instead we are too busy selling our name.

Yeah, it is fun and interesting and it can disprove a lot of myths or claims. It was claimed Frasheri were of Aromanian origin but by the looks of it they do not seem to be so. It was also claimed some Albanian tribes shared common origin but such origin rather seems distant from what I have seen. Though it seems to be true. Also some people just have joined tribes etc.

I would like to see more Albanjan personalities tested.

Serbs have done the same thing to some extent. It was claimed Karadorde was of Kelmendi Gheg origin but based on a tested relative this is most likely not true.


flamenderit

Albanians also contributed a lot to the Ottoman Empire from soldiers to generals etc. I would of loved to see the clades of some of those Albanians.

[North Sea]

Shtjefën Gjeçovi - E-V13>Z16988>BY4590


Shtjefën Konstantin Gjeçovi-Kryeziu(1874 – 1929) was an AlbanianCatholicpriest, ethnologist and folklorist. He is known for being the father of Albanians' folklore studies.[1]


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/At_Shtjefën_Gjeçovi.jpg


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shtjefën_Gjeçovi

[North Sea]

Bekim Berisha: EV13>Z5018>FGC33625



Bekim Berisha(Albanian:Bekim Berisha;Croatian:Bekim Beriša) (15 June 1966 – 10 August 1998) was a Kosovar Albanian soldier who gained prominence in the Yugoslav Wars. He served in the Croatian Army during the Croatian War of Independence. He subsequently fought in the Bosnian Army, and later also in the Kosovo Liberation Army(KLA), where he was named a general. He was killed in 1998, during the Battle of Junik, and was posthumously promoted to Brigadier General.



http://www.faktiditor.ch/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/bekim-berisha-a3-1024x772.jpg


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bekim_Berisha

[TheMaestro]

Would be intresting to know Skanderbegs halo.

[Dorian]

Would be intresting to know Skanderbegs halo.

You probably won't see anything suspicious uploaded here,I've heard they cherrypick people on that project.

[TheMaestro]

You probably won't see anything suspicious uploaded here,I've heard they cherrypick people on that project.

How can you cherry pick halogroups :D

[North Sea]

You probably won't see anything suspicious uploaded here,I've heard they cherrypick people on that project.

What cherrypicking ? I have been part of that project and I haven't seen any results cherrypicked.


http://www.foleja.net/index.php?topic=11.0


You're just butthurt that these results don't suit your agenda because you want to claim warriors or national heroes.




You only heard this from Serbs and some Greeks and they claim it without evidence , same way we can accuse them of cherrypicking or anyone else. I think this is just a projection from your side or theirs. You accuse people of what you are yourself, its a reflection of your own character more like. You're the ones who cherrypick the results. Many of you seem butthurt that many Albos come out quite homogenous in YDNA except for the south which has some I2a1b which has also been shown in the project, if we cherry picked we wouldn't of posted their results. Some I2 there is also I2a2 and also some I1. Though majority of Tosks are still Ev13 and R1b.


As for Skanderbeg, in your wet dreams that he belonged to a Non Albanian YDNA or that we would need to cherrypick his results. :D

The greatest warriors in the Balkans have been Albanians, even the Arvanite and Solioute who liberated your country were of Albanian origin such as Botsaris, seems more like you're the ones who need to do the cherrypicking in that regard same way for your invented identity and history.

[North Sea]

Would be intresting to know Skanderbegs halo.

There are some who claim ancestryn from him nut their relation to him is mot certain, its possible Skanderbeg was from Kastrati tribe which would put him as possibly J2b2 or something... but we dont know ... there are some other tribes possible also. But know of the major Albanian haplos would be most plausible.

[Dorian]

How can you cherry pick halogroups :D

When someone with an haplogroup you don't like asks to be part of the project ,you deny him.That's how.

[Dorian]

What cherrypicking ? I have been part of that project and I haven't seen any results cherrypicked.


http://www.foleja.net/index.php?topic=11.0


You're just butthurt that these results don't suit your agenda because you want to claim warriors or national heroes.




You only heard this from Serbs and some Greeks and they claim it without evidence , same way we can accuse them of cherrypicking or anyone else. I think this is just a projection from your side or theirs. You accuse people of what you are yourself, its a reflection of your own character more like. You're the ones who cherrypick the results. Many of you seem butthurt that many Albos come out quite homogenous in YDNA except for the south which has some I2a1b which has also been shown in the project, if we cherry picked we wouldn't of posted their results. Some I2 there is also I2a2 and also some I1. Though majority of Tosks are still Ev13 and R1b.


As for Skanderbeg, in your wet dreams that he belonged to a Non Albanian YDNA or that we would need to cherrypick his results. :D

The greatest warriors in the Balkans have been Albanians, even the Arvanite and Solioute who liberated your country were of Albanian origin such as Botsaris, seems more like you're the ones who need to do the cherrypicking in that regard same way for your invented identity and history.

You use the word projection and such terms but that's more like your behavior,In fact idgaf about it.
I've heard this and it really seems to fit the mentality of nordicist albos here so it wouldn't surprise me,I just made a comment without implying anything about skanderberg but you got sensitive right there.

[North Sea]

How can you cherry pick halogroups :D

There is no cherrypicking , they are just butthurt that these results dont suit their agenda so they make up false accusations without any evidence, they wanted Albanians to be more I2a1b etc. There is no Albanian who has been denied entry. Its more some Greeks and Serbs that do cherrypicking because they are a mixed nation under the Orthodox banner basically. While Ghegs were tribal and patriarchal and most tribes come from those 3 common Y CHROMOSOMES a lot of times you can guess their haplogroup based on their tribal belonging.


This guy is just butthurt. He bashes at Albanians in every thread. Ignore him. Also haplogroups don't define your ethnicity but they will claim that, some of these are also bottle neck effects. Autosomal defines ethnicity overall. And 99.9% of Albanians are autosomally Albanian no matter their haplogroup. You also have minor lineage like G, T , J1, I2a2 etc.

[TheMaestro]

When someone with an haplogroup you don't like asks to be part of the project ,you deny him.That's how.

Idk, for me halogroups dont tell you anything :D There was a funny video of a black woman with European halogroup, at the same time you share like 0.000000000001% of DNA with your first ancestor maybe even less.

[Dorian]

Idk, for me halogroups dont tell you anything :D There was a funny video of a black woman with European halogroup, at the same time you share like 0.000000000001% of DNA with your first ancestor maybe even less.

You mean the one with the mtdna that she later asked her mom and found out there was some mixing?lol
Anyway we don't disagree,I just pointed out something..don't listen to the rants of the above guy..as I said idgaf

[Cumansky]

Idk, for me halogroups dont tell you anything :D There was a funny video of a black woman with European halogroup, at the same time you share like 0.000000000001% of DNA with your first ancestor maybe even less.

People of noble lineage Y-DNA matters

[TheMaestro]

People of noble lineage Y-DNA matters

Noble? Only noble person here is... wait noone, just bunch of wannabes :D

[Cumansky]

Noble? Only noble person here is... wait noone, just bunch of wannabes :D

I said if your nobleman Y-DNA matters, I didn't ask who is nobility or not

[TheMaestro]

I said if your nobleman Y-DNA matters, I didn't ask who is nobility or not

And I answered you that noone here is a nobleman and that YDNA Mtdna is therefore completely useless?

[North Sea]

Nexhmije Pagarusha: I1-Z63>Y60985

A paternal relative was supposedly tested

Nexhmije Pagarusha[a](born 7 May 1933) is a popularAlbanianvocalist, musician and actress fromKosovo, often referred to asthe queen of Albanian music.[2][3]Pagarusha gained acclaim as a recording artist in Albania and neighbouring countries for her distinctsoprano vocal range, which she displayed performing various Albanian folk songs during her career, which spanned 36 years, from 1948, in her debut in Radio Pristina, to 1984, in her final concert inSarajevo. Her music style wasn't limited to Albanian music, as she performedrock,pop,funk,opera/classical, and many more.

https://img.discogs.com/SXtcc9WnCtzBMcX9luf3tCRB6U8=/416x600/smart/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():qualit y(90)/discogs-images/A-2013743-1289762674.jpeg.jpg



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexhmije_Pagarusha

[North Sea]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elez_Koçi


Elez Koci, possibly related to former member Dibran so R1a-M458>L1029>Y133383>"Dibra Cluster"


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/ElezKoçiPikturë.jpg

[North Sea]

Binak Alia J2b2-L283>PH1751

Binak Alia(1805–1895) was anAlbanianleader fromYakovaHighland region. He is remembered mainly for his participation in theAlbanian Revolt of 1845, and as a wise old man who helped resolvingblood feudsin the area.[1]


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/BinakAlia_1805-1890.jpg

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binak_Alia

[MagnusDark]

There is no cherrypicking , they are just butthurt that these results dont suit their agenda so they make up false accusations without any evidence, they wanted Albanians to be more I2a1b etc. There is no Albanian who has been denied entry. Its more some Greeks and Serbs that do cherrypicking because they are a mixed nation under the Orthodox banner basically. While Ghegs were tribal and patriarchal and most tribes come from those 3 common Y CHROMOSOMES a lot of times you can guess their haplogroup based on their tribal belonging.


This guy is just butthurt. He bashes at Albanians in every thread. Ignore him. Also haplogroups don't define your ethnicity but they will claim that, some of these are also bottle neck effects. Autosomal defines ethnicity overall. And 99.9% of Albanians are autosomally Albanian no matter their haplogroup. You also have minor lineage like G, T , J1, I2a2 etc.

If anything some users refused to test further or join the project because they were minority haplogroups. Its just inferiority complex is what it is.

[MagnusDark]

People of noble lineage Y-DNA matters

Nobility has nothing to do with blood and everything to do with deeds, actions, upbringing, and self-reflection.

[Cumansky]

Nobility has nothing to do with blood and everything to do with deeds, actions, upbringing, and self-reflection.

What?

[MagnusDark]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elez_Koçi


Elez Koci, possibly related to former member Dibran so R1a-M458>L1029>Y133383>"Dibra Cluster"


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/ElezKoçiPikturë.jpg

Mahhh brothaaa lol Hes definitely one and the same Koci. Diber has them mostly in Okshtun, Ostren, and Tucep.

[MagnusDark]

What?

Comprehension problems? I am responding to your reply to Maestro that YDNA is connected to being "Noble"(1 percent of total DNA at that). You can find noble/ignoble people of the same blood line.

[Cumansky]

Comprehension problems? I am responding to your reply to Maestro that YDNA is connected to being "Noble"(1 percent of total DNA at that). You can find noble/ignoble people of the same blood line.

No false. Here is why. In Maramures, where I am from the nobility marry only other nobility from other noble houses and they keep a common origin, Vlach for centuries. To claim that this Y-DNA indicate 0.1% of your lineage under those circumstances foolish, but you are free to believe what you want. In Albanian "Nobility" maybe something else you know better than me your roots.

[Ujku]

Stop spamming on this beautiful thread morons...

[Ayetooey]

Vlade Divac. Serbian born of Albanian heritage. R1b-CTS9219>BY611

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/833554575919611905/EdwAqI6b_400x400.jpg

[Ülev]

Bajram Curri

I think my next username

[Pribislav]

I heard on Serbian dna project that Isa Boletini was I2a1b https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isa_Boletini

Does someone of you Albanians know about this?

[MagnusDark]

I heard on Serbian dna project that Isa Boletini was I2a1b https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isa_Boletini

Does someone of you Albanians know about this?

Where the bell did you get that from? Lol. I’m pretty sure someone of his family that tested was typical AlbanianR1b-BY611. Even if he was I2a1b, he’s still Albanian.

[North Sea]

I heard on Serbian dna project that Isa Boletini was I2a1b https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isa_Boletini

Does someone of you Albanians know about this?

It is a made up rumour from Serbs.

[Pribislav]

Where the bell did you get that from? Lol. I’m pretty sure someone of his family that tested was typical AlbanianR1b-BY611. Even if he was I2a1b, he’s still Albanian.

On forum of Serbian dna project.

Of course he was Albanian regardless of y dna, like Serbs who are E-V13 and R1b-BY611 are still Serbs.

[North Sea]

No false. Here is why. In Maramures, where I am from the nobility marry only other nobility from other noble houses and they keep a common origin, Vlach for centuries. To claim that this Y-DNA indicate 0.1% of your lineage under those circumstances foolish, but you are free to believe what you want. In Albanian "Nobility" maybe something else you know better than me your roots.

What are you larping on about ? Albanians overall are more homogenous in Y-chromosome compared to other Balkan people on average.

You're the ones who are gonna need to hide your results eventually of famous people :lol:

[North Sea]

On forum of Serbian dna project.

Of course he was Albanian regardless of y dna, like Serbs who are E-V13 and R1b-BY611 are still Serbs.

I wouldn't take that much serious. And yeah, he was Albanian considering he fought for Albos and looked like a typical one IMO.

[North Sea]

It is even rumoured Dukagjini were of Norman origin yet they were typical Albos and there is no proof they were of Norman origjn anyway

[Pribislav]

What are you larping on about ? Albanians overall are more homogenous in Y-chromosome compared to other Balkan people on average.

You're the ones who are gonna need to hide your results eventually of famous people :lol:

How so?

The strongest Serbian haplogroup I2a1b is higher among Serbs, than the strongest Albanian haplogroup E-V13 among Albanians.

[North Sea]

Ahmet Delia is possibly EV13 considering hes from Kuqi tribe and from my mothers village , I am related to him. You should read his bio how he killed 13 armed rapist Serbs with an axe :D


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmet_Delia

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Ahmet_Delia.jpg



Jashari brothers, Azem Galica and the Mehas were also all from Kuqi and probably EV13 .

[North Sea]

As far as Boletini goes, he was probably R1b

[MiloshN]

In past Srbica "Something like kid Serbia) now Skenderaj, nice, again synonyms for Skenderbeg = Serb . Great Albo logic :thumb001:

[MagnusDark]

In past Srbica "Something like kid Serbia) now Skenderaj, nice, again synonyms for Skenderbeg = Serb . Great Albo logic :thumb001:

What are you smoking? Skanderbeg was Albanian. Point blank. That’s a stretch. I see he’s your hero. No wonder you want to call him a Serb. Can’t have a hero/icon of yours be Albanian. Small minded worm. I admire Tesla and piss my pants of laughter with weird Al Yankovic. You can admire an Albanian. Just don’t try to twist the truth to make it yours.

[Ford]

In past Srbica "Something like kid Serbia) now Skenderaj, nice, again synonyms for Skenderbeg = Serb . Great Albo logic :thumb001:

Skenderbeg is derived from Skender (Alexander) and Beg (Ottoman title). It has nothing to do with Serbs. The only connection he possibly has with Serbs is through his mother, and that's still largely irrelevant to his identity (or then basically all Balkan monarchs could be claimed by practically all neighbors considering nobles often married foreign nobility). However, the claims that his mother was a Serb is based on some very vague things so I don't know how credible that is either.

[Albobalboa]

In past Srbica "Something like kid Serbia) now Skenderaj, nice, again synonyms for Skenderbeg = Serb . Great Albo logic :thumb001:

You slavized/hellenized Albanians are always the worst. Skanderbeg is a name given to him by Turks, it's not Serbian or Albanian, you literal retard.

Put your E-V13 result on your profile now, you're not still waiting for results after damn near a year.

[hush2019]

Frasheri Brothers - Sami, Abdyl & Naim Frashëri - E1b-V13>BY4661

It was rumored they were of Aromanian origin but a DNA test of some of their relatives show they belong to a typical Albanian EV13 clade.

The Frasheris were writers, philospohers, poets, politicians and patriotic, having inspired the Albanian national awakening through their work.


https://kryegjyshataboterorebektashiane.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/frasheri.png




https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdyl_Frashëri

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_Frashëri

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naim_Frashëri

E3b is not an Albanian haplogroup it's seen in many places in Europe and Indo European parts of the Near East...

[MagnusDark]

You slavized/hellenized Albanians are always the worst. Skanderbeg is a name given to him by Turks, it's not Serbian or Albanian, you literal retard.

Put your E-V13 result on your profile now, you're not still waiting for results after damn near a year.

:rotfl:

I was wondering the same thing. The fuck did he send his kit to, the curiosity rover on Mars?

[MagnusDark]

E3b is not an Albanian haplogroup it's seen in many places in Europe and Indo European parts of the Near East...


E1b and E-V13 are not the same thing. Also read more carefully. “Typical Albanian V13 clade”. A clade, not the entire branch. There’s Albanian specific clades of E-V13. Try again.

[hush2019]

E1b and E-V13 are not the same thing. Also read more carefully. “Typical Albanian V13 clade”. A clade not the branch.

E3b is E-v13 it was renamed E1b1b for whatever reason a few years ago so I just use the old term. Nothing is E1b anyway it's not Albanian it was actually in the Levant and even the Red Sea part of North Africa before it was in the Balkans

[MagnusDark]

E3b is E-v13 it was renamed E1b1b for whatever reason a few years ago so I just use the old term. Nothing is E1b anyway it's not Albanian it was actually in the Levant and even the Red Sea part of North Africa before it was in the Balkans

Yea? And before that it was in Africa. Every single haplogroup goes back to AFRICA. So your point about calling it Levantine is Moot. E-V13 was part of the Hallstatt celts as well. You literally have no idea what you’re talking about. It was also carries by Bronze Age indo European elite. It was found in ancient west Balkans and Thracians. So as I said try again. The clade in question is typically Albanian. Just like there’s other clades formed among other cultures.

[North Sea]

E3b is not an Albanian haplogroup it's seen in many places in Europe and Indo European parts of the Near East...

BY4661 is a typical Albanian subclade of Ev13, AFAIK its also found among Northern Albanians.

[hush2019]

Yea? And before that it was in Africa. Every single haplogroup goes back to AFRICA. So your point about calling it Levantine is Moot. E-V13 was part of the Hallstatt celts as well. You literally have no idea what you’re talking about. It was also carries by Bronze Age indo European elite. It was found in ancient west Balkans and Thracians. So as I said try again. The clade in question is typically Albanian. Just like there’s other clades formed among other cultures.

I didn't say it was only in the Levant and the Red Sea I said that's where the migration of the movement of the Indo Europeans with that marker came from. The clade is not typically Albanian it's found in Albanians but also many other ethnic groups including other people in the Balkans.

[hush2019]

BY4661 is a typical Albanian subclade of Ev13, AFAIK its also found among Northern Albanians.

Yes, it's found in Albanians but not only Albanians. So calling it an Albanian haplogroup is like saying every physical being with a E3b haplogroup is basically Albanian or descends from them which isn't true it evolved from the Levant then North Africa then South Italy Sicily and then various parts of the Balkans including Greece Albania Serbia Macedonia and Montenegro etc

[North Sea]

I didn't say it was only in the Levant and the Red Sea I said that's where the migration of the movement of the Indo Europeans with that marker came from. The clade is not typically Albanian it's found in Albanians but also many other ethnic groups including other people in the Balkans.

The subclade BY4661 of Ev13 itself is typically Albanian , maybe you should learn about subclades , Ev-13 has different subclades. The subclade isnt common among other people so it doesnt have to be common even among Albos for it to still be Albanian in origin but it is and is also found in the North.

[Albobalboa]

:rotfl:

I was wondering the same thing. The fuck did he send his kit to, the curiosity rover on Mars?

He went to some local Serbian company and they scammed his ass :D

[MagnusDark]

I didn't say it was only in the Levant and the Red Sea I said that's where the migration of the movement of the Indo Europeans with that marker came from. The clade is not typically Albanian it's found in Albanians but also many other ethnic groups including other people in the Balkans.

Good God. V13 goes back to 2800BC! We’re not talking about V13 but the downstream clade in the post. That sub clade IS ALBANIAN.

[MagnusDark]

He went to some local Serbian company and they scammed his ass :D

:rotfl:

[hush2019]

Good God. V13 goes back to 2800BC! We’re not talking about V13 but the downstream clade in the post. That sub clade IS ALBANIAN.

It is not exclusively Albanian it is found in North Albanians like many people in the Balkans. It doesn't matter how far it goes back it did not evolve from Albania don't you even know what a haplogroup is?

[North Sea]

Yes, it's found in Albanians but not only Albanians. So calling it an Albanian haplogroup is like saying every physical being with a E3b haplogroup is basically Albanian or descends from them which isn't true it evolved from the Levant then North Africa then South Italy Sicily and then various parts of the Balkans including Greece Albania Serbia Macedonia and Montenegro etc


I am not taking about Ev13 itself but a subclade of Ev13 named BY4661 , it is found mostly only in Albanians and it is Albanian. EV13 has many different subclades , they diverged from eachother hundreds, thousands of years ago etc.

[hush2019]

The subclade BY4661 of Ev13 itself is typically Albanian , maybe you should learn about subclades , Ev-13 has different subclades. The subclade isnt common among other people so it doesnt have to be common even among Albos for it to still be Albanian in origin but it is and is also found in the North.

It is E3b and yes it is found in North Albanians. But not only North Albanians single ethnic groups do not own haplogroups.

[North Sea]

It is not exclusively Albanian it is found in North Albanians like many people in the Balkans. It doesn't matter how far it goes back it did not evolve from Albania don't you even know what a haplogroup is?

Get out of this thread as its clearly youre absolutely clueless. Thank you.

[North Sea]

It is E3b and yes it is found in North Albanians. But not only North Albanians single ethnic groups do not own haplogroups.

You're clearly fucking dumb or a troll , I am not sure any more .

The subclade BY4661 of Ev13 is Albanian , which pretty much disproves a foreign origin. If you go thousands of years back we all shared a common ancestor but thats not the point.

[hush2019]

Get out of this thread as its clearly youre absolutely clueless. Thank you.

Prove me wrong and quit with the personal attacks. Plus, you're J2 aren't you some subclade of that. Proves that not all North Albanians are E

[MagnusDark]

It is not exclusively Albanian it is found in North Albanians like many people in the Balkans. It doesn't matter how far it goes back it did not evolve from Albania don't you even know what a haplogroup is?

You obviously don’t know what a haplogroup is, otherwise you wouldn’t make such a nonsensical comment if you want to be a simpleton just call it E1b. I mean each subclade represents a paternal founder. Some clusters had founder effects that only formed in specific cultures and participated in the ethnogenesis of specific people’s. THIS is a case where said mutation is specifically common to Albanians. Is that clear?

If someone falls in the Albanian mutation chances are they’re distantly descended from a Albanian or a Thraco-Illyrian ancestor they commonly share. It doesn’t make them less than they are, it just makes their ancestor likely so.

[hush2019]

You're clearly fucking dumb or a troll , I am not sure any more .

The subclade BY4661 of Ev13 is Albanian , which pretty much disproves a foreign origin. If you go thousands of years back we all shared a common ancestor but thats not the point.

Yeah I know it's a subclade of E3b haplogroups have subclades but still whatever you're saying isn't inclusively Albanian

[MagnusDark]

Prove me wrong and quit with the personal attacks. Plus, you're J2 aren't you some subclade of that. Proves that not all North Albanians are E


No one is one damn haplogroup. You have no idea what you’re taking about please just stop commenting.

[North Sea]

Prove me wrong and quit with the personal attacks. Plus, you're J2 aren't you some subclade of that. Proves that not all North Albanians are E

I have already proven you wrong. Where did I claim Albanians are all Ev13 , have you looked at some of the resulta here ?

I am saying the subclade BY4661 of EV13 is Albanian as EV13 has many different subclades , people of other countries have different subclades of Ev13 compared to Albanians , they split thousands of years ago probably. Youre the one who doesnt understand what a subclade even is or how haplogroups work.


I am not wasting my time anymore with you. Good bye. ;)

[hush2019]

You obviously don’t know what a haplogroup is, otherwise you wouldn’t make such a nonsensical comment if you want to be a simpleton just call it E1b. I mean each subclade represents a paternal founder. Some clusters had founder effects that only formed in specific cultures and participated in the ethnogenesis of specific people’s. THIS is a case where sad mutation is specifically common to Albanians. Is that clear?

I’d someone falls in the Albanian mutation chances are they’re distantly descended from a Albanian or a Thraco-Illyrian ancestor they commonly share. It doesn’t make them less than they are, it just makes their ancestor likely so.
E3b is not exclusive to Albanians the subclades of E3b are not exclusive to Albanian and not every North Albanian is E3b or a subclade of it

[hush2019]

I have already proven you wrong. Where did I claim Albanians are all Ev13 , have you looked at some of the resulta here ?

I am saying the subclade BY4661 of EV13 is Albanian as EV13 has many different subclades , people of other countries have different subclades of Ev13 compared to Albanians , they split thousands of years ago probably. Youre the one who doesnt understand what a subclade even is or how haplogroups work.


I am not wasting my time anymore with you. Good bye. ;)
Then how come you're a subclade of J2 then what are you a non Albanian? :D

[hush2019]

No one is one damn haplogroup. You have no idea what you’re taking about please just stop commenting.

I didn't say that there are subclades.

[MagnusDark]

I didn't say that there are subclades.

Riigggggggtttt. Hush.

[MiloshN]

Skenderbeg is derived from Skender (Alexander) and Beg (Ottoman title). It has nothing to do with Serbs. The only connection he possibly has with Serbs is through his mother, and that's still largely irrelevant to his identity (or then basically all Balkan monarchs could be claimed by practically all neighbors considering nobles often married foreign nobility). However, the claims that his mother was a Serb is based on some very vague things so I don't know how credible that is either.

Опусти се, хоћу да их провоцирам, они на сваку тему скачу и провоцирају ! Козојебци.

[North Sea]

Lmao. This Serbani is still larping ?

[North Sea]

Those Serbs who claim Isa was I2a also say the same thing about Jashari.
Isa was probably R1b as he was a Shala. There was a Shala near his village or something tested for this. and Jashari possibly EV13 as he is from Kuq. Them being I2a are just things invented by Serbs as are many other things.

[Pribislav]

Those Serbs who claim Isa was I2a also say the same thing about Jashari.
Isa was probably R1b as he was a Shala. There was a Shala near his village or something tested for this. and Jashari possibly EV13 as he is from Kuq. Them being I2a are just things invented by Serbs as are many other things.

Is there any Albanian on the world who is I2-PH908 or R1a? I got impression from you Albanian member like those haplogroups are 0% among Albanians.

Isa looks Serbian (not joke). :)

[Albobalboa]

Is there any Albanian on the world who is I2-PH908 or R1a? I got impression from you Albanian member like those haplogroups are 0% among Albanians.

Isa looks Serbian (not joke). :)

I2a-Din is about 7% in Kosovo-Albanians, that's pretty fucking low. Compare it to the Serbian results where R1a and haplogroup I in total are pretty much 95% of notable people, according to Serbs, yet 45% of the Serbian population is neither of those.

https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpaper/3840x2160/5383564-Isa-Boletini-Quote-When-the-spring-comes-we-will-manure-the-plains.jpg

[Pribislav]

I2a-Din is about 7% in Kosovo-Albanians, that's pretty fucking low. Compare it to the Serbian results where R1a and haplogroup I in total are pretty much 95% of notable people, according to Serbs, yet 45% of the Serbian population is neither of those.

https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpaper/3840x2160/5383564-Isa-Boletini-Quote-When-the-spring-comes-we-will-manure-the-plains.jpg

I am very surprised for such strong domination of R1a and I among notable and famous Serb, especially for R1a.

Few who belong to other haplogroups are mostly born in Montenegro or have recent roots from Montenegro.

[Skerdilaid]

Is there any Albanian on the world who is I2-PH908 or R1a? I got impression from you Albanian member like those haplogroups are 0% among Albanians.

Isa looks Serbian (not joke). :)


There is a gypsy (Ashkali) from Mitrovice in our project who is PH908 :p

[North Sea]

Is there any Albanian on the world who is I2-PH908 or R1a? I got impression from you Albanian member like those haplogroups are 0% among Albanians.

Isa looks Serbian (not joke). :)

Isa doesn't look Serbian , he looks very Albo. I doubt also haplogroup can affect how you look. Kurt / Drawing-Slim is I2a1b and he doesn't look Serb at all. Dibran is R1a and looks extremely Albo IMO. Autosomal is much more important in terms of looks. They both look more Albanian than some former members who had typical Albanian YDNA'S.

. There are Albanians who are I2a1b and R1a but they are a minority , same for I1. Its easy to tell what haplogroup people can belong to by now based on tribal belonging and area unless they are an asimilated case. Prekaz is Kuqi so they should be EV13 . This can be tested. As my uncles are from there and we could also get some Jashari tested. Boletini family should also be able to be tested if we find some of their relatives.

Some people also said I look Serbian or Yugoslav anyway which I alao disagree with. Isa was a typical Gheg more or less.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/Isa_Boletini_Small.jpg

http://www.kosovapress.com/public/uploads/image/boletini-qemali.jpg


He was skinny and tall like many Northern Albos . South Slavs are more heavy built.


Also Slavic YDNA in Albanians was probably asimilated very early on. So its not a recent case.

[nittionia]

I want to test my dad's J2b2 deeper

[North Sea]

I want to test my dad's J2b2 deeper

ask skerdilaid or trojet about it

[Ujku]

Is there any Albanian on the world who is I2-PH908 or R1a? I got impression from you Albanian member like those haplogroups are 0% among Albanians.

Isa looks Serbian (not joke). :)

He looks Albanian af , what are you talking about ????

[Ujku]

Isa doesn't look Serbian , he looks very Albo. I doubt also haplogroup can affect how you look. Kurt / Drawing-Slim is I2a1b and he doesn't look Serb at all. Dibran is R1a and looks extremely Albo IMO. Autosomal is much more important in terms of looks. They both look more Albanian than some former members who had typical Albanian YDNA'S.

. There are Albanians who are I2a1b and R1a but they are a minority , same for I1. Its easy to tell what haplogroup people can belong to by now based on tribal belonging and area unless they are an asimilated case. Prekaz is Kuqi so they should be EV13 . This can be tested. As my uncles are from there and we could also get some Jashari tested. Boletini family should also be able to be tested if we find some of their relatives.

Some people also said I look Serbian or Yugoslav anyway which I alao disagree with. Isa was a typical Gheg more or less.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/Isa_Boletini_Small.jpg

http://www.kosovapress.com/public/uploads/image/boletini-qemali.jpg


He was skinny and tall like many Northern Albos . South Slavs are more heavy built.


Also Slavic YDNA in Albanians was probably asimilated very early on. So its not a recent case.

Dont listen to that slav...Isa had a very typical Albo look .

[North Sea]

Dont listen to that slav...Isa had a very typical Albo look .

Yh I agree

[Dorian]

https://i.postimg.cc/RV5BVBp9/a.png[/url]

[North Sea]

Lol what the greco is speaking ? Lol did not read.

[Pribislav]

Isa doesn't look Serbian , he looks very Albo. I doubt also haplogroup can affect how you look. Kurt / Drawing-Slim is I2a1b and he doesn't look Serb at all. Dibran is R1a and looks extremely Albo IMO. Autosomal is much more important in terms of looks. They both look more Albanian than some former members who had typical Albanian YDNA'S.

. There are Albanians who are I2a1b and R1a but they are a minority , same for I1. Its easy to tell what haplogroup people can belong to by now based on tribal belonging and area unless they are an asimilated case. Prekaz is Kuqi so they should be EV13 . This can be tested. As my uncles are from there and we could also get some Jashari tested. Boletini family should also be able to be tested if we find some of their relatives.

Some people also said I look Serbian or Yugoslav anyway which I alao disagree with. Isa was a typical Gheg more or less.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/Isa_Boletini_Small.jpg

http://www.kosovapress.com/public/uploads/image/boletini-qemali.jpg


He was skinny and tall like many Northern Albos . South Slavs are more heavy built.


Also Slavic YDNA in Albanians was probably asimilated very early on. So its not a recent case.

Do you see similarity with this Serbian actor? https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1768292726774873

[Skerdilaid]

Those Serbs who claim Isa was I2a also say the same thing about Jashari.
Isa was probably R1b as he was a Shala. There was a Shala near his village or something tested for this. and Jashari possibly EV13 as he is from Kuq. Them being I2a are just things invented by Serbs as are many other things.

Yes, Boletini should be R1b-PF7563. Six Shaljans from Bajgore region have tested thus far and all six are PF7563 (four have tested STRs and two on 23andme). The ones from 23andme have been reported by them as R-L23, but I have analyzed their raw data and both are PF7563+



As for Jashari and Kuqi of Prekaz, if they are not Z16661 like Kuqi from the mother land, they should be L241 like Galice and Ternac.

[CommonSense]

Those Serbs who claim Isa was I2a also say the same thing about Jashari.
Isa was probably R1b as he was a Shala. There was a Shala near his village or something tested for this. and Jashari possibly EV13 as he is from Kuq. Them being I2a are just things invented by Serbs as are many other things.

Of course it's always the Serbs making stuff up about the great shiptar warrior race. Now they've gone and bribed FTDNA to do their bidding. Oh, those vile, evil Serbs!

https://i.imgur.com/DgdjuZj.png

[MagnusDark]

Of course it's always the Serbs making stuff up about the great shiptar warrior race. Now they've gone and bribed FTDNA to do their bidding. Oh, those vile, evil Serbs!

https://i.imgur.com/DgdjuZj.png

You should read the entire thread. It’s already been pointed out the I2-Din Shala are not related to or connected to actual Fis Shala, which were R1b all near his village. So Boletini is most obviously R1b.

Additionally, even if he was I2-Din, it depends when the line was assimilated, closest matches and just obvious ethno linguistic affiliations. He was Albanian. He fought Serbs. His nationality doesn’t become more obvious than that.

Sanxhak don’t consider themselves Albanians and they’re mixed at this point. They consider themselves Slavs and so they are.

[CommonSense]

You should read the entire thread. It’s already been pointed out the I2-Din Shala are not related to or connected to actual Fis Shala, which were R1b all near his village. So Boletini is most obviously R1b.

Additionally, even if he was I2-Din, it depends when the line was assimilated, closest matches and just obvious ethno linguistic affiliations. He was Albanian. He fought Serbs. His nationality doesn’t become more obvious than that.

Sanxhak don’t consider themselves Albanians and they’re mixed at this point. They consider themselves Slavs and so they are.

You misunderstand. I don't know and don't particularly care about Isa Boletini's Y-DNA, as you've said he was an ethnic Albanian and that's all that matters really.
That lying scumbag IceT has been spamming anti-Serbian propaganda threads and comments ever since he made he's 100th account on TA. Simply, after having accidentally found this guy in my matches today, i wanted to disprove his stupid accusations and rub it in his face. There's obviously a branch of Shala that's I2A-DIN and that's why those members from the poreklo forum thought Boletini might be one of them, nothing malicious about that. The ones inventing bullshit here aren't Serbs, it's him!

[MagnusDark]

You misunderstand. I don't know and don't particularly care about Isa Boletini's Y-DNA, as you've said he was an ethnic Albanian and that's all that matters really.
That lying scumbag IceT has been spamming anti-Serbian propaganda threads and comments ever since he made he's 100th account on TA. Simply, after having accidentally found this guy in my matches today, i wanted to disprove his stupid accusations and rub it in his face. There's obviously a branch of Shala that's I2A-DIN and that's why those members from the poreklo forum thought Boletini might be one of them, nothing malicious about that. The ones inventing bullshit here aren't Serbs, it's him!

Honestly you have to admit it’s all sides. Serbs on here(not you) have their fair share of these types of anti Albanian threads and jargon. Take Pribislav for instance. Guy is troll who says retarded things. Or even bosniemsis. Then in some threads the Greeks help contribute with the Serbs but then when an Albanian retaliates in a Serbian thread or Greek, those same individuals hypocritically bitch and moan about about their threads being sabotaged by Albanians. It’s really back and forth. I know for the most part you have been civil so I don’t count you among some of those others but it’s really a bunch of children in a sandbox fighting.

[CommonSense]

Honestly you have to admit it’s all sides. Serbs on here(not you) have their fair share of these types of anti Albanian threads and jargon. Take Pribislav for instance. Guy is troll who says retarded things. Or even bosniemsis. Then in some threads the Greeks help contribute with the Serbs but then when an Albanian retaliates in a Serbian thread or Greek, those same individuals hypocritically bitch and moan about about their threads being sabotaged by Albanians. It’s really back and forth. I know for the most part you have been civil so I don’t count you among some of those others but it’s really a bunch of children in a sandbox fighting.

Tbh, Bosniensis isn't really active on Albanian-related threads, most of things he posts about are connected to Romans, Slavs and Ottomans. He even thought he was part Albanian himself until people explained to him that Gorani are in fact South Slavs. As for Pribislav, he can get out of line, but he was rather civil in this case - no flaming, accusations or insults. The only one actually trying to derail this thread was that user hush2019 (probably somebody's sock) who none of us are connected with.

[TheMaestro]

Do you see similarity with this Serbian actor? https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1768292726774873

Sorry to make you unhappy but if Isa looks Serbian more than Albanian then I am pope. This look is derived from proto-Balkanians and not from Slavs. You cant find those faces in Poland or Belarus, if he is not Albanian looking then I dont know what.

[Cumansky]

Vlach Albo.

[Skerdilaid]

Of course it's always the Serbs making stuff up about the great shiptar warrior race. Now they've gone and bribed FTDNA to do their bidding. Oh, those vile, evil Serbs!

And what does this example have to do with Boletini from Bajgore and Kuqi from Prekaz that he was talking about? There are threads in Poreklo specifically talking about Jashari and Boletini.

[CommonSense]

And what does this example have to do with Boletini from Bajgore and Kuqi from Prekaz that he was talking about? There are threads in Poreklo specifically talking about Jashari and Boletini.

No, there aren't any threads like that. In the subsection which is dedicated to 'peoples and their genetics' there is a thread on Malisors where the Shala tribes and Boletini were mentioned, that's all.

[Skerdilaid]

No, there aren't any threads like that. In the subsection which is dedicated to 'peoples and their genetics' there is a thread on Malisors where the Shala tribes and Boletini were mentioned, that's all.

Well not threads specifically dedicated to them but definitely they wrote about them on multiple threads. I have read them too, after they were pointed out to me by one of our project members. They spoke of Prekaz as well. I remember them bringing up Komatovic and Vukanovic’s fairy tales..

[Outlaw]

You misunderstand. I don't know and don't particularly care about Isa Boletini's Y-DNA, as you've said he was an ethnic Albanian and that's all that matters really.
That lying scumbag IceT has been spamming anti-Serbian propaganda threads and comments ever since he made he's 100th account on TA. Simply, after having accidentally found this guy in my matches today, i wanted to disprove his stupid accusations and rub it in his face. There's obviously a branch of Shala that's I2A-DIN and that's why those members from the poreklo forum thought Boletini might be one of them, nothing malicious about that. The ones inventing bullshit here aren't Serbs, it's him!


Of course it's always the Serbs making stuff up about the great shiptar warrior race. Now they've gone and bribed FTDNA to do their bidding. Oh, those vile, evil Serbs!

https://i.imgur.com/DgdjuZj.png

I can make as many accounts as I want if I can't access my old one. I like to come here sometimes and I like to leave. A lot of times I just change my password and email and abandon the account in order to take a break from this place as I don't like to spend time 24/7 on forums. I don't hide who I am. I have decided to keep this account for future reference. I'm not addicted to this place or forums and can leave whenever I feel like.

I don't see how I am anti Serb any more than your people are Anti Albanian. A lot of your people are really delusional though there are some alright ones. Let's not talk about all the propaganda you spew about us shall we....


I am well aware that there are Shala's that tested I2a1b, however, there is nothing that connects these Shala's to Isa Boletini himself. Majority of Shalas tested have tested R1b. All Shalas tested close to Boletin village tested for R1b.

Those Serbs were desperatelly trying to link those I2a1b Shalas from Decan/Peja area based on a Serbian source that claims Boletins ancestors came from Decan. There is nothing that links Boletini to those Shalas. There was another Shala from Decan/Peja area that also tested for R1b.

[Skerdilaid]

Is the Y dna of Enver Hoxha known?

Yes, he was J1-Z1828>Z18463

[Hulu]

Yes, he was J1-Z1828>Z18463

Interesting! Seems pretty rare, right? What about Ahmet Zogu?

[MagnusDark]

Interesting! Seems pretty rare, right? What about Ahmet Zogu?

I’m pretty sure Zogu was R1b-CTS9219>BY611 if I recall correctly but I could be wrong.

[Skerdilaid]

Interesting! Seems pretty rare, right? What about Ahmet Zogu?

Yeah rare, four examples from south and one from Mat so far. I agree with Magnusdark, two clans that claim to be related to them have tested as R1b-BY611>Z2705. So most likely he belonged to this line. Would be nice to test Leka to confirm it though..

[Germaniac]

I’ve read on the Eupedia page on famous E1b people that a descendant of Skanderbeg was tested and turned out E-V13-Z17107. Couldn’t find the study though. Does anyone know about that?

[Germaniac]

Double post.

[Wizz]

I’ve read on the Eupedia page on famous E1b people that a descendant of Skanderbeg was tested and turned out E-V13-Z17107. Couldn’t find the study though. Does anyone know about that?

Maybe they tested some Castriota from Italy. You could try and message the administrator.

[rothaer]

(...)

Bayerischer Uradel: Also the real ones Agilolfinger, Huosi, Trozza, Fagana, Hahilinga and Anniona? :wink

[Beats]

I’ve read on the Eupedia page on famous E1b people that a descendant of Skanderbeg was tested and turned out E-V13-Z17107. Couldn’t find the study though. Does anyone know about that?

Some sources claim Kastrioti are connected to the Mazreku and they might be indeed E-V13 , who knows .

[Katarzyna]

I really like Albanian men because haplogrup E, G and J are quite present among them. Makes them extremely good lovers :)

[Pepa]

I think this year the RRENJET Albanian YDNA project said they will release Skanderbegs ydna