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Pribislav
04-06-2019, 01:39 PM
Zvonimir Trajković
https://www.srbijadanas.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/zvonimir-trajkovic-660x330.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y9bi04rj8c

Branko Pavlović
http://www.mc.rs/upload/photoservice/2017/decembar/171221_hidrotehnika//hidrotehnika_01.jpg
https://www.vreme.com/gallery/1165959_01_01.jpg

Swept Under
04-06-2019, 01:44 PM
Alpine-like type. Yes, they could be Borrebies since Borreby is Alpine-like type.

Pribislav
04-06-2019, 02:46 PM
Alpine-like type. Yes, they could be Borrebies since Borreby is Alpine-like type.

Borreby is alpinized CM.
https://uploadir.com/u/w3qvjm1e

North Sea
04-06-2019, 02:48 PM
Yes. more or less similar to borreby

Pribislav
04-06-2019, 03:06 PM
Yes. more or less similar to borreby

Borreby is quite common in Western Serbia, Montenegro and Bosnia.
This regions except Montenegro has high I2a. I think Borreby in western Balkans is related with I2a. Cro-Magnons were I haplogroup and Borreby is CM type. Also Borreby is very common in Scandinavia where I1 is the strongest haplogroup.

Pribislav
04-06-2019, 03:07 PM
Yes. more or less similar to borreby

Borreby is quite common in Western Serbia, Montenegro and Bosnia.
These regions except Montenegro has high I2a. I think Borreby in western Balkans is related with I2a. Cro-Magnons were I haplogroup and Borreby is CM type. Also Borreby is very common in Scandinavia where I1 is the strongest haplogroup.

Joso
04-06-2019, 03:13 PM
Borreby is quite common in Western Serbia, Montenegro and Bosnia.
This regions except Montenegro has high I2a. I think Borreby in western Balkans is related with I2a. Cro-Magnons were I haplogroup and Borreby is CM type. Also Borreby is very common in Scandinavia where I1 is the strongest haplogroup.

Borreby is not a CM type

Pribislav
04-06-2019, 03:20 PM
Borebby is - partly alpinized, brachycephalized, mostly unreduced, often depigmented, Cromagnid type.

https://uploadir.com/u/w3qvjm1e

The Blade
04-06-2019, 03:21 PM
Borreby is not a CM type
Actually Coon defined it as a Cro-Magnon one:
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/troeplate05.htm
"In the same districts of southern Sweden where Brьnn survivors are found, and across the Skaggerrak in Jutland, are found brachycephalic Upper Palaeolithic survivors, equally unreduced in head and body size, equally if not more lateral in bodily build.
The ancestors of, these people arrived on the western Baltic shores during the Late Mesolithic. Other colonies of them are to be found in the coastal districts of southwestern Norway, and they form an element of primary importance in the population of Germany. In general, their present distribution is wider than that of their dolichocephalic counterparts."
These men posted here fit the Borreby bill to me.

Joso
04-06-2019, 03:22 PM
More like dinaro-alpines

Joso
04-06-2019, 03:27 PM
Actually Coon defined it as a Cro-Magnon one:
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/troeplate05.htm
"In the same districts of southern Sweden where Brьnn survivors are found, and across the Skaggerrak in Jutland, are found brachycephalic Upper Palaeolithic survivors, equally unreduced in head and body size, equally if not more lateral in bodily build.
The ancestors of, these people arrived on the western Baltic shores during the Late Mesolithic. Other colonies of them are to be found in the coastal districts of southwestern Norway, and they form an element of primary importance in the population of Germany. In general, their present distribution is wider than that of their dolichocephalic counterparts."
These men posted here fit the Borreby bill to me.

Coon was wrong

Mr.G
04-06-2019, 03:32 PM
First guy looks Dinaro-Borreby to me. The second guy I would call Borreby-Alpine (Sort of between the two types)

Mr.G
04-06-2019, 03:38 PM
Coon was wrong

Why? I thought the consensus was that Borreby is a CM type?

The Blade
04-06-2019, 03:50 PM
Coon was wrong
In general I display moderate consent to his works but I have preference for other authors (Renato Biasutti, Bertil Lundman and Swedish shkola as a whole, Bulgarian Petar Boev, Madison Grant, Deniker, etc.). However, some of the stuff he wrote sounds logical, he provided measurements and some of his ideas were in accordance with other authors' views.
What I really disagree with in Coon's works is:
- his theory of Dinarics as the result of Mediterraneans and Alpines mixing
- his idea of Nordic people being depigmented Mediterraneans
- him placing Iberians in the same group with MENA people
His thesis about Borrebies is something I agree with.

North Sea
04-06-2019, 04:47 PM
Borreby is quite common in Western Serbia, Montenegro and Bosnia.
This regions except Montenegro has high I2a. I think Borreby in western Balkans is related with I2a. Cro-Magnons were I haplogroup and Borreby is CM type. Also Borreby is very common in Scandinavia where I1 is the strongest haplogroup.

It is possible. It is very common among Montenigrins or some Dinaro-Borreby mixture.

It also found in some Northern Albanians. Especially Gruda area. But overall I'd say we have more Alpines which is a reduced type.

Magnolia
04-06-2019, 04:48 PM
i think that old people, kids and obese people is not easy to classify.

Joso
04-06-2019, 05:39 PM
i think that old people, kids and obese people is not easy to classify.

True

Columella
04-06-2019, 08:37 PM
Dinaric-Alpines mainly.
Pavlovic looks distinct Eastern Euro.
And there is certainly a morphological similarity between Coon’s Birrebies and his East Baltic and othe Baltic and “East Europeans” types used by other authors

Roy
04-06-2019, 09:06 PM
Borreby is not a CM type

No it is. It is robust, big skulled not-dolicho-CM (unlike Faelid for instance) variety, partly alpinized.

Joso
04-06-2019, 09:08 PM
No it is. It is robust, big skulled not-dolicho-CM (unlike Faelid for instance) variety, partly alpinized.

wrong, mate, even because Cro-magnons were not really robust