Austro-Asiatics, can any of them pass in Latin America?

[Borealis]

At Bamaguje's request:

1)https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3052/2389971227_f5699f6b3b.jpg

2)https://www.indianmirror.com/tribes/images/santhal-girl.jpg

3)https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8f/fc/1c/8ffc1cd5b939d65ad05721c39649e6a6.jpg

4)http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lar0uyttaZ1qc9y8qo1_500.jpg

5)https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3144/2362385152_714ece7263.jpg

6)https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Juang.jpg

7)https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Inde_bondo_8593a.jpg/800px-Inde_bondo_8593a.jpg

8)https://c8.alamy.com/comp/J29PGJ/india-orissa-kendujahr-district-juang-ethnic-group-young-acculturated-J29PGJ.jpg

9)https://i.imgur.com/8uZIgHp.jpg?1

[Zroota]

Maybe Brazil

[Dna8]

Nearly all of them can.

[Borealis]

Nearly all of them can.

Seriously?

[Carlito's Way]

3,5,8 would pass as black latinos
the rest look very different

[Borealis]

Nearly all of them can.

Seriously?

[Dna8]

Seriously?

As indigenous folks, why not.

[Borealis]

As indigenous folks, why not.

A lot of them look quite different from indigenous Americans. Maybe a straight mix of Amerindian and African will approach their aesthetic.

[Maguzanci]

Maybe Brazil

Nah they look too unique to even pass there.

[Borealis]

Nah they look too unique to even pass there.

They definitely have very unique features. They look out of place even in India.

[Maguzanci]

They definitely have very unique features. They look out of place even in India.

I think it is the mix of AASI+Mong and lack of Caucasoid/Iran Neo phenotypically which create these unique features. Their Iran Neo admix must be very minor to not even affect their pheno.

Altho i do saw pics of some Austroasiatics like Santali, Ho who look more generic Indian.

[Maguzanci]

They definitely have very unique features. They look out of place even in India.

Yep they are definitely one South Asian type that would have a very hard time passing in Latin America including Brasil.

Other South Asian types that also would not pass would be heavily Veddoid types like Paniya or Gond (who seem to be more genetically related to Austroasiatics than other Dravidians)

[Crimson Winds]

Everyone can pass somewhere in Latin America.

[Borealis]

I think it is the mix of AASI+Mong and lack of Caucasoid/Iran Neo phenotypically which create these unique features. Their Iran Neo admix must be very minor to not even affect their pheno.

Altho i do saw pics of some Austroasiatics like Santali, Ho who look more generic Indian.
I think those two are less east asian shifted than the others. Bonda are the most AA of them all.

Yep they are definitely one South Asian type that would have a very hard time passing in Latin America including Brasil.

Other South Asian types that also would not pass would be heavily Veddoid types like Paniya or Gond (who seem to be more genetically related to Austroasiatics than other Dravidians)

I don't think this is the case. Some Dravidians are not far off from those kinds.

[Maguzanci]

Everyone can pass somewhere in Latin America.

Not really.

[Maguzanci]

I think those two are less east asian shifted than the others. Bonda are the most AA of them all.

Yes Bonda are the most AA and definitely have very very minor amount of Caucasoid compared to most South Asians. It is true that they are less East Asian shifted than other Mundas. I think Santali are one of the most Caucasoid admixed Mundas along with the Asur. The Ho tribe have a lot less Caucasoid than Asur, Santali but more than Kharia Juang, Bonda. I think i saw some qpadm models where it looks like the Ho is around 20-25% ancient Caucasian admix.



I don't think this is the case. Some Dravidians are not far off from those kinds.

Can you expand on this part or give some examples? Altho I think Davidski mentioned that some Gonds are only like 15% Cockass admix of Iran Neo type so some Gonds might be more AASI than even the Paniya.

[Borealis]

Yes Bonda are the most AA and definitely have very very minor amount of Caucasoid compared to most South Asians. It is true that they are less East Asian shifted than other Mundas. I think Santali are one of the most Caucasoid admixed Mundas along with the Asur. The Ho tribe have a lot less Caucasoid than Asur, Santali but more than Kharia Juang, Bonda. I think i saw some qpadm models where it looks like the Ho is around 20-25% ancient Caucasian admix.



Can you expand on this part or give some examples? Altho I think Davidski mentioned that some Gonds are only like 15% Cockass admix of Iran Neo type so some Gonds might be more AASI than even the Paniya.

What I'm saying is there's some tribal like people in the south and east, SC folks that are not too far off from say Irula tribespeople.

[Crimson Winds]

Not really.

Yeah East Asians can't.

[Maguzanci]

Yeah East Asians can't.

Papuans, Abos and many South Asians like those Austroasiatic Mundas and predominantly Ancient South Indian types like Paniya also cannot pass.

[Crimson Winds]

Papuans, Abos and many South Asians like those Austroasiatic Mundas and predominantly Ancient South Indian types like Paniya also cannot pass.

I can ;)

[Thambi]

Yeah East Asians can't.

i think many east asians superficially look like native americans. South asians/desis have lowest chance of blending in latin america.

[Maguzanci]

What I'm saying is there's some tribal like people in the south and east, SC folks that are not too far off from say Irula tribespeople.

You mean as in genetically or phenotypically?

Btw i think there are two types of Cockass admix in Austroasiatics and Paniyas, Irulas: the Iran Neo and ANE tye of admix. It is likely most of ANE type Cockass comes from Iran Neo admix.

[Crimson Winds]

i think many east asians superficially look like native americans. South asians/desis have lowest chance of blending in latin america.

Aren't they are more like Siberian shifted Central Asians ?

[Maguzanci]

i think many east asians superficially look like native americans. South asians/desis have lowest chance of blending in latin america.

Yes especially the Brazilid Amazonian tribes and Istmid Mayan Amerindians can look very Asian. I saw pics of Amazonian tribes and some of them look Vietnamese or tanned Chinese.

[Maguzanci]

Dammit dubbla poss

[Crimson Winds]

i think many east asians superficially look like native americans. South asians/desis have lowest chance of blending in latin america.

Aren't they are more like Siberian shifted Central Asians ?

[Borealis]

You mean as in genetically or phenotypically?

Btw i think there are two types of Cockass admix in Austroasiatics and Paniyas, Irulas: the Iran Neo and ANE tye of admix. It is likely most of ANE type Cockass comes from Iran Neo admix.

Genetically.

Your 100% right.

[Maguzanci]

Genetically.

Your 100% right.

Anyway both the two Cockass types: Iran Neo and ANE blood must be so little in them to not affect their phenos. When they ever found a 100% AASI ancient genome i want them to test if they would have ANE admix.

Do you notice that a lot of those who is certain anyone can pass in Latin America refuse to answer to this thread? Lol

[Borealis]

i think many east asians superficially look like native americans. South asians/desis have lowest chance of blending in latin america.

Come on man...you know this isn't true.

[Thambi]

Come on man...you know this isn't true.

I meant lowest chance compared to all other racial groups. There still are a decent amount that could pass as each other. ok be honest. Filipinos/se asians have a way higher chance of passing as latinos than indians. Even many tanned east asians can sorta pass among hispanics

[Thambi]

Aren't they are more like Siberian shifted Central Asians ?

Yeah them but also many east/se asians can blend in. Native americans are predominantly mongoloid as well just like east asians. They're even grouped together on 23andme. East asians can blend in among natives just like west asians can blend in among euros.

[Maguzanci]

ok be honest. Filipinos/se asians have a way higher chance of passing as latinos than indians. Even many tanned east asians can sorta pass among hispanics

Good point. But Flips/SE Asians do not really pass as Latinos that well either except among certain Native types like Amazonian or Mayan Central American types.

[Thambi]

Good point. But Flips/SE Asians do not really pass as Latinos that well either except among certain Native types like Amazonian or Mayan Central American types.

Yes i agree. but in comparison to indians, i think filipinos pass better in latin america. I actually want to create a thread now lol.

[Maguzanci]

I can ;)


Yeah them but also many east/se asians can blend in. Native americans are predominantly mongoloid as well just like east asians. They're even grouped together on 23andme. East asians can blend in among natives just like west asians can blend in among euros.

You are correct. Although Native Muricans are more genetically more distinct and divergent from East Asians and other Mongs than West Asians are from Euros as Natives have substantial ancient Caucasoid/Caucasoid like ancestry from their ANE admix and 15000 years or more of divergence and isolation from Asians.

[Maguzanci]

I can ;)


Yes i agree. but in comparison to indians, i think filipinos pass better in latin america. I actually want to create a thread now lol.

You could be right. Altho Flips would pass best among Amazonian tribes and Mayan Central American Istmid tribes.

[Maguzanci]

Double post.

[Maguzanci]

I can ;)


I meant lowest chance compared to all other racial groups. There still are a decent amount that could pass as each other. ok be honest. Filipinos/se asians have a way higher chance of passing as latinos than indians. Even many tanned east asians can sorta pass among hispanics

What about South Asians and Papuans, Abos? Who would pass better in Latin America?

I wonder if the more Mongoloid looking Austroasiatic Munda tribes can pass as Amerindian or Amerindian-Black mixes in Latin America?

[Thambi]

What about South Asians and Papuans, Abos? Who would pass better in Latin America?

I wonder if the more Mongoloid looking Austroasiatic Munda tribes can pass as Amerindian or Amerindian-Black mixes in Latin America?

well among those three probably south asians. Papuans and abos look atypical for any place on earth, except some that could pass atypically in south asia. But i've seen some mixed abos that could pass in middle east, northern south asia or parts of latin america.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5450606-3x2-340x227.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/34g3fja.jpg

Yeah i think some of the central/east indian tribes have pseudo blasian looking people.

[Maguzanci]

I can ;)


well among those three probably south asians. Papuans and abos look atypical for any place on earth, except some that could pass atypically in south asia. But i've seen some mixed abos that could pass in middle east, northern south asia or parts of latin america.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5450606-3x2-340x227.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/34g3fja.jpg

Yeah i think some of the central/east indian tribes have pseudo blasian looking people.

What places in South Asia could some Abos pass atypically? I think another interesting comparison would be: would Polynesians or Flips or Khoisan Bushmen pass better in Latin America? In this case, i think polynesians would pass better than Bushmen or Flips/SE Asians as half Amerindian half African admix or triracials altho many polys like maoris, samoans can also look very unique or distinct.

Khoisans wouls pass the least as they look very different from amerindians or amerindian black mix despite them having mongoloid features.

I think basilisk also mentioned that some Mundas might pass as Amerindians or Indomestizos.

[Thambi]

What places in South Asia could some Abos pass atypically? I think another interesting comparison would be: would Polynesians or Flips or Khoisan Bushmen pass better in Latin America? In this case, i think polynesians would pass better than Bushmen or Flips/SE Asians as half Amerindian half African admix or triracials altho many polys like maoris, samoans can also look very unique or distinct.

Khoisans wouls pass the least as they look very different from amerindians or amerindian black mix despite them having mongoloid features.

I think basilisk also mentioned that some Mundas might pass as Amerindians or Indomestizos.

Atypically in most of south asia. I think they could pass best in srilanka, south/central india, and parts of bengal as well. In south india i think several could pass as typicals tbh.

yeah polynesians have more robust structures similar to native americans and have higher chance of passing.

I'm not sure if mundas could pass as regular natives, but they could pass as natives mixed with afro latinos.

[Maguzanci]

Atypically in most of south asia. I think they could pass best in srilanka, south/central india, and parts of bengal as well. In south india i think several could pass as typicals tbh.

yeah polynesians have more robust structures similar to native americans and have higher chance of passing.

I'm not sure if mundas could pass as regular natives, but they could pass as natives mixed with afro latinos.

Thanks. Would abos might have easier passing among some predominantly AASI tribals like Paniyas, Irulas maybe some Mundas than among the mainstream ethnicities?

Those mixed Abos you posted seem to easily pass as locals in those regions you named. They look 50 to 50 mix or maybe more Abo than non-Abo blood.

Yep. I think Polys would pass easier as Natives or predominant Natives than Khoisan Bushmen or Flips/SE Asians.

True. But many Mundas also look too unique and to distinct to pass in Latin America.

[Maguzanci]

want to hear more Latino opinions here

[Thambi]

Thanks. Would abos might have easier passing among some predominantly AASI tribals like Paniyas, Irulas maybe some Mundas than among the mainstream ethnicities?

Those mixed Abos you posted seem to easily pass as locals in those regions you named. They look 50 to 50 mix or maybe more Abo than non-Abo blood.

Yep. I think Polys would pass easier as Natives or predominant Natives than Khoisan Bushmen or Flips/SE Asians.

True. But many Mundas also look too unique and to distinct to pass in Latin America.

aboriginals show more caucasoid influence than most indian tribals from what i've seen. I think aboriginals fit best among low castes and even some middle castes than tribals.

[Maguzanci]

aboriginals show more caucasoid influence than most indian tribals from what i've seen. I think aboriginals fit best among low castes and even some middle castes than tribals.

really? where would pure blood aboriginals get caucasoid influence from?

[Thambi]

really? where would pure blood aboriginals get caucasoid influence from?

well idk if they are considered proto caucasoids or they just happen to have some pseudo caucasoid features but they display some caucasoid.

like these folks for example. They could pass as any low caste and even among some middle castes throughout india. Especially in south india.
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/ARJH2K/aborigine-children-australia-ARJH2K.jpg
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/sites/sbs.com.au.nitv/files/styles/body_image/public/13-03-2018_10-26-07_am.jpg?itok=qnF7xpMT&mtime=1520897642
https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/7/w/b/5/4/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.710x400. 17w8wa.png/1446689686016.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b2/ec/55/b2ec55f0e42b6ffc7e8d59b9f23bb5ee.jpg
https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/aboriginal-woman.jpg
https://latinopm.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/australian.jpg

[Maguzanci]

well idk if they are considered proto caucasoids or they just happen to have some pseudo caucasoid features but they display some caucasoid.

like these folks for example. They could pass as any low caste and even among some middle castes throughout india. Especially in south india.
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/ARJH2K/aborigine-children-australia-ARJH2K.jpg
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/sites/sbs.com.au.nitv/files/styles/body_image/public/13-03-2018_10-26-07_am.jpg?itok=qnF7xpMT&mtime=1520897642
https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/7/w/b/5/4/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.710x400. 17w8wa.png/1446689686016.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b2/ec/55/b2ec55f0e42b6ffc7e8d59b9f23bb5ee.jpg
https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/aboriginal-woman.jpg
https://latinopm.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/australian.jpg

yeah they do display caucasoid like features. also in many genetic pcas, australoids like abos, papuans for some strange reason, tend to plot more western shifted than even some central asians like Kazakhs, Kyrgyz and amerindians. now I don't know if it is some genetic drift or isolation or some functions in the PCAs themselves that cause this phenomenon: so you could be right there could be some protocaucasoid influence that cause them to cluster more western shifted than other eastern eurasians.

I think it is very likely that the pure blood AASI ancestors of South Asians would have phenotypes that resembles Aborigines or Papuans/Melanesians.

the old men in both pics reminds me of sadhus/holy men tho. and the last young man does remind me of some South Indians. of all these pics, can you rank from most to least which would blend easiest among low castes and some middle castes in South India? They also pass in Central and Eastern India as well right?

what about Papuans/Melanesians? have you seen some who look like they can also pass in South Asia?

[Latinus]

Yeah East Asians can't.Tons of Chineses in Brazil with their snacks restaurants and street commerce, we also have the biggest Japanese population outside Japan, mainly in the state of São Paulo.
It's true that many people call them Japas/Chineses, even if they were born and raised here, but it's not true that East Asians can't pass in Latin America.

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[JMack]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5450606-3x2-340x227.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/34g3fja.jpg


They look Indian, very typical even. I remember seeing tons like these all over Bihar, Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan.

Are they Anglo + Papuan?

[Bolsonaro2018]

Number 1, 3 and 7 would pass unnoticied here.

Others would be seen as some kind of bolivian.

[Borealis]

yeah they do display caucasoid like features. also in many genetic pcas, australoids like abos, papuans for some strange reason, tend to plot more western shifted than even some central asians like Kazakhs, Kyrgyz and amerindians. now I don't know if it is some genetic drift or isolation or some functions in the PCAs themselves that cause this phenomenon: so you could be right there could be some protocaucasoid influence that cause them to cluster more western shifted than other eastern eurasians.

I think it is very likely that the pure blood AASI ancestors of South Asians would have phenotypes that resembles Aborigines or Papuans/Melanesians.

the old men in both pics reminds me of sadhus/holy men tho. and the last young man does remind me of some South Indians. of all these pics, can you rank from most to least which would blend easiest among low castes and some middle castes in South India? They also pass in Central and Eastern India as well right?

what about Papuans/Melanesians? have you seen some who look like they can also pass in South Asia?

Not really. The pure AASI people of South Asia likely looked somewhat like Andaman islanders. That caucasoid blood that South Asians have pushes them closer to abos in looks, and since tribals resemble abos less than mid castes do, it doesn’t make sense that an even less caucasoid version of tribals would end up resembling abos.

[Crimson Winds]

Tons of Chineses in Brazil with their snacks restaurants and street commerce, we also have the biggest Japanese population outside Japan, mainly in the state of São Paulo.
It's true that many people call them Japas/Chineses, even if they were born and raised here, but it's not true that East Asians can't pass in Latin America.

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Lol. Latin America is exceptionally diverse.

[Latinus]

I would say they all pass here (but I'm not sure), I'll just numerate the ones that looks more off regarding my personal experience.
5, 6, 8, 9.
The last one has a vibe that resemble Amerindians from neighbor countries, maybe Bolivia or Peru.

[Maguzanci]

I would say they all pass here (but I'm not sure), I'll just numerate the ones that looks more off regarding my personal experience.
5, 6, 8, 9.
The last one has a vibe that resemble Amerindians from neighbor countries, maybe Bolivia or Peru.

Why do you say they all pass but at the same time you put in parentheses that you are not sure? What do you mean by that?

[Latinus]

Why do you say they all pass but at the same time you put in parentheses that you are not sure?Because to me they pass, but I don't know if they would be perceived as off or not in real life.

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[Maguzanci]

Because to me they pass, but I don't know if they would be perceived as off or not in real life.

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I see what you mean.

Off topic, but i do not think Papuans, Abos or Khoisan Bushmen would pass in Brazil. They have very unique looks that I do not think any mix of Euro, SSA, Native, East Asian can create these looks

[Borealis]

Another thing worth pointing out, is that the whole region from SE Asia right down to Oceania has these people bearing a superficial resemblance to SSAs. Some of these tribals I posted look like they're verging on an SSA look. At the same time there's negritos in SE Asia as well as the Andamans. Then you have Papuans and aborigines much further south. I wonder why...

[Latinus]

I see what you mean.

Off topic, but i do not think Papuans, Abos or Khoisan Bushmen would pass in Brazil. They have very unique looks that I do not think any mix of Euro, SSA, Native, East Asian can create these looksYeah, they wouldn't.

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[Maguzanci]

Yes i agree. but in comparison to indians, i think filipinos pass better in latin america. I actually want to create a thread now lol.

I want to clarify something: the only Amerindians that Flips/SE Asians can pass well would be among the Amazonians/Brazilids and probably some Lagids and Mayan Istmid type that lives in the tropical Central America.

Although a lot of Mayans also have very distinct features like hook nose and thin lips that makes Flips unable to pass among them. The reason Flips can pass among Brazilids and many Istmids is because the latters have lot of pseudo Asian features like small chinky eyes, big flat nose, big thick lips that likely develop from living in tropical hot humid climates similar to that in SE Asia.

Flips/SE Asians would not pass at all or blend in among the Pueblid, Margid, Andid, Patagonid, Pampid types of Amerindians. These Amerindians look very very different and distinct from Flips/SE Asians. Pueblid, Margid, Andid, Pampid subtypes have a lot of caucasoid features such as long hook nose, thin lips, bigger eyes which make it very difficult for Flips/SE Asians to pass among them. In fact, Andids have one of the most stereotypical Native features.

While the Patagonid type look too Siberian/Central Asian shifted for Flips/SE Asians to pass. Siberians and Central Asians would have much easier time passing among Patagonids than SE Asians does.

At the same time, a majority of Flips/SE Asians despite their brown skin and lesser East Asian looks still have clear Mongoloid features that would render them as Chinos/Chinitos by Latinos and thus make them only able to pass among only Latinos of East Asian descent like Japanese and Chinese Brazilians, Chinese and Japanese Peruvians, etc.

[Borealis]

I want to clarify something: the only Amerindians that Flips/SE Asians can pass well would be among the Amazonians/Brazilids and probably some Lagids and Mayan Istmid type that lives in the tropical Central America.

Although a lot of Mayans also have very distinct features like hook nose and thin lips that makes Flips unable to pass among them. The reason Flips can pass among Brazilids and many Istmids is because the latters have lot of pseudo Asian features like small chinky eyes, big flat nose, big thick lips that likely develop from living in tropical hot humid climates similar to that in SE Asia.

Flips/SE Asians would not pass at all or blend in among the Pueblid, Margid, Andid, Patagonid, Pampid types of Amerindians. These Amerindians look very very different and distinct from Flips/SE Asians. Pueblid, Margid, Andid, Pampid subtypes have a lot of caucasoid features such as long hook nose, thin lips, bigger eyes which make it very difficult for Flips/SE Asians to pass among them. In fact, Andids have one of the most stereotypical Native features.

While the Patagonid type look too Siberian/Central Asian shifted for Flips/SE Asians to pass. Siberians and Central Asians would have much easier time passing among Patagonids than SE Asians does.

At the same time, a majority of Flips/SE Asians despite their brown skin and lesser East Asian looks still have clear Mongoloid features that would render them as Chinos/Chinitos by Latinos and thus make them only able to pass among only Latinos of East Asian descent like Japanese and Chinese Brazilians, Chinese and Japanese Peruvians, etc.

What did you make of the way I looked? Can I pass anywhere in the region, in your eyes?

[Maguzanci]

What did you make of the way I looked? Can I pass anywhere in the region, in your eyes?

You mean in pass anywhere in Latin America or South Asia?

[Borealis]

You mean in pass anywhere in Latin America or South Asia?

the former

[Maguzanci]

the former

Am not really sure. You do have clear Indic vibes. Maybe parts of Central America? Altho i think you look pretty distinct to pass among Latinos

[Borealis]

Am not really sure. You do have clear Indic vibes. Maybe parts of Central America? Altho i think you look pretty distinct to pass among Latinos

agreed