Do Central Asians have any Indian admixture? If yes, how much?

[leonj]

Do Central Asians have any Indian admixture? If yes, how much?

[NPKTO]

They get up to 15% South Indian (especially non admixed Tajiks) on HarappaWorld calculator. I think it depends on calculator. But most Central Asians do have some form of ASI admixture in minimal amounts.

[Borealis]

Yes. It is thought that this happened during the bronze age with indians moving and settling in parts of central asia. BUT there could be another reason, something more recent and more tragic:

A Persian-English dictionary[30] indicates that the suffix 'koš' [koʃ] is the present stem of the verb "to kill" ('koštan' کشتن). According to Francis Joseph Steingass, the word and suffix "-kush" means "a male; (imp. of kushtan in comp.) a killer, who kills, slays, murders, oppresses as azhdaha-kush".[31] A Practical Dictionary of the Persian Language gives the meaning of the word kush as "hotbed".[32] According to one interpretation, the name Hindu Kush means "kills the Hindu" or "Hindu killer" and is a reminder of the days when slaves from the Indian subcontinent died in the harsh weather typical of the Afghan mountains while being taken to Central Asia.[25][33][34] The World Book Encyclopedia states that the word kush means death, and was probably given to the mountains because of their dangerous passes.[35]

[Leto]

Baloch and Pakistani Pashtuns aka Pathans are the most South Asian. Transitional between South and Central Asia.

[leonj]

Baloch and Pakistani Pashtuns aka Pathans are the most South Asian. Transitional between South and Central Asia.

What about Turkestan?

[Borealis]

Baloch and Pakistani Pashtuns aka Pathans are the most South Asian. Transitional between South and Central Asia.

Baloch in no way are transitional to Central Asia if anything they fall between south and west Asia

[Crimson Winds]

They have around %10 South Asian and at least part of it is ancient.

[Thambi]

They have around %10 South Asian and at least part of it is ancient.

all of it is ancient. Indians never mixed with central asians

[NPKTO]

all of it is ancient. Indians never mixed with central asians
I think it’s IVC related. I think South Asian folks that lived close to Central Asia migrated there mixed with already existing Central Asian folks.

[Thambi]

I think it’s IVC related. I think South Asian folks that lived close to Central Asia migrated there mixed with already existing Central Asian folks.

I thought that it was more related to AASI admix. Prior to all the west eurasian migrations, that area mostly had highly ASi shifted folks, even before the iran neolithic admix. There wasn't really any gene exchange between ivc and bmac folks right? indians are pretty much IVC plus steppe from andronovo/sinthashta.

[NPKTO]

I thought that it was more related to AASI admix. Prior to all the west eurasian migrations, that area mostly had highly ASi shifted folks. There was really any gene exchange between ivc and bmac folks right? indians are pretty much IVC plus steppe from andronovo/sinthashta.
If Central Asia was only Steppe and Eneolithic + East Asian, they would not score that high South Indian. Some of it is archaic, but some of it is also from IVC, particularly from those Swat Valley Saidu types.

[Thambi]

If Central Asia was only Steppe and Eneolithic + East Asian, they would not score that high South Indian. Some of it is archaic, but some of it is also from IVC, particularly from those Swat Valley Saidu types.

no i meant that virtually all of their south indian is ancient rather than ivc similar to sherpas of nepal. Or it could just be south indian spread by neighboring pashtuns/iranic people. saidus are iranic and they were present all over that region. I think sis ba3 mix could represent some admix. but even then it could be approximation based on their autosomal mix rather than actual ivc mix. I'll check their mix on poi's calcs.

[Maguzanci]

They have around %10 South Asian and at least part of it is ancient.

If you also include predominantly Mongoloid central asians like kazakh, kyrgyz they are only around 1-5% south asian.

[NPKTO]

no i meant that virtually all of their south indian is ancient rather than ivc similar to sherpas of nepal. Or it could just be south indian spread by neighboring pashtuns/iranic people. saidus are iranic and they were present all over that region. I think sis ba3 mix could represent some admix. but even then it could be approximation based on their autosomal mix rather than actual ivc mix. I'll check their mix on poi's calcs.
Saidus are more or less like modern day Punjabi/Kashmiri. It definitely does have lot more AASI than present day Central Asians. Saidu is IVC + Central Asian Neolithic + some Steppe. So I suspect that there must have been some admixture from Saidu types to increase AASI in Central Asia.

[Thambi]

If Central Asia was only Steppe and Eneolithic + East Asian, they would not score that high South Indian. Some of it is archaic, but some of it is also from IVC, particularly from those Swat Valley Saidu types.

global 25
Tajik:Average 3.0689
Ganj Dareh N 31.67
Han 5.83
Shahr I Sokhta BA3 5
Sintashta MLBA 57.5

so they have 5% IVc affinity. They're mostly Iran N with steppe. they have more chinese than ivc. These are tajiks btw. with uzbkes, kazakhs, kyrgyz any south indian is pretty much all ancient.

[Crimson Winds]

If you also include predominantly Mongoloid central asians like kazakh, kyrgyz they are only around 1-5% south asian.

They are outsiders with direct "Mongolian" mix. I mean Turkmen, Uzbek, Tadjik etc.

[itilvolga]

They score 8~10% South Asian (ancient) as far as i know.

[NPKTO]

global 25
Tajik:Average 3.0689
Ganj Dareh N 31.67
Han 5.83
Shahr I Sokhta BA3 5
Sintashta MLBA 57.5

so they have 5% IVc affinity. They're mostly Iran N with steppe. they have more chinese than ivc. These are tajiks btw. with uzbkes, kazakhs, kyrgyz any south indian is pretty much all ancient.
If you do the same run with Saidu, you get 14%.

"sample": "Tajik:Average",
"fit": 0.9953,
"Sintashta_MLBA": 46.67,
"Gonur1_BA": 38.33,
"Saidu_Sharif_IA": 14.17,
"Naxi": 0.83,