Atlantid, Pontid, Iranid, Litorid. Same measurements ?

[Oghuz]

Cranial and Manibular measurements of these phenotypes seem almost same to me. The only difference is in soft tissue proportions.

http://humanphenotypes.net/northatlantidm.jpghttp://humanphenotypes.net/iranidm.jpghttp://humanphenotypes.net/litoridm.jpghttp://humanphenotypes.net/northpontidm.jpg

If some one does not agree then I will post examples.

This thread may cause stir in ethnic nationalist members but I hope the discussion stays purely scientific.

[Pansarkamrat]

Doesn't the North Atlantids cranial and manibular measurements come from the hallstat phenotype?

[Smaug]

The first one is North Atlantid, not Atlantid.

[Rgvgjhvv]

None of these are Pontid

[Oghuz]

Dosent North Atlantid cranial and manibular measurements come from the hallstat phenotype?

I would disagree. Hallstat average is more narrow faced with less bent cheek bones then atlantid.

http://humanphenotypes.net/hallstattm.jpg

[Pansarkamrat]

I would disagree. Hallstat average is more narrow faced with less bent cheek bones then atlantid.

http://humanphenotypes.net/hallstattm.jpg

Ah ok but arent the North-Atlantid phenotype a mix between the Atlantid phenotype and Hallstat or Paleo-Atlanitd and Hallstatt?

[Oghuz]

None of these are Pontid

I took north pontid as an example of pontid because of following two reason.

1) The north pontid morph looks more closer to the other phenotypes I posted.
2) The usual morph for pontid that is available on internet is less closer to actual pontids for some reason. The morph looks younger and has less elongated skull then it should have been for pontids.

http://humanphenotypes.net/pontidm.jpg

[Oghuz]

Ah ok but arent the North-Atlantid phenotype a mix between the Atlantid phenotype and Hallstat or Paleo-Atlanitd and Hallstatt?

May be you are right. I would be honest that I am not much familiar with European phenotypes history like who mixed with what to create what so you are right here ...

but we are discussing the resultant phenotype not the ancestry. Iranid itself comes from mixture of Proto-Iranid + Orientalid and Irano Nordid yet the cranial and mandibular measurements ended up as more European then MENA.

[Oghuz]

Bump.

[21993]

Interesting

[Bmack]

third one doesn't look as if he has same measurements as the other three. He looks more east med.


Doesn't the North Atlantids cranial and manibular measurements come from the hallstat phenotype?

No, it's from KN.

[Ülev]

TA taught me that people living on the Pontic Sea shore are usually Atlantids, Paleo subtype, I am not unbiased expert so I don't know what to think and answer

[Nurzat]

main features in the 4 OP types seem to be:

- leptoprosopic face (long middle face, therefore long nose)

- hypsicranic skull (tall head)


Dinaric/Taurid types should be similar as well, but those are more brachycephalic

[Bmack]

main features in the 4 OP types seem to be:

- leptoprosopic face (long middle face, therefore long nose)

- hypsicranic skull (tall head)


Dinaric/Taurid types should be similar as well, but those are more brachycephalic

tall middle face would be called leptene.

Leptoprosopic refers to facial index, not upper facial index.