GEDmatch results from Veneto, Northern Italy

[JMack]

It seems there's a big genetic variation inside Northern Italy, the biggest genetic divide in Italy isn't between Central Italians and Northern Italians, but between Alpine region people and people from the lowlands (this person is from the Alps).


Admix Results (sorted):

#Population Percent
1 North_Sea 25.56
2 Atlantic 21
3 West_Med 16.12
4 East_Med 9.91
5 Eastern_Euro 9.01
6 Baltic 8.64
7 West_Asian 6.23
8 Red_Sea 3
9 Oceanian 0.55

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source) Distance
1 French 6.27
2 Spanish_Galicia 9.03
3 South_Dutch 9.26
4 West_German 9.5
5 Portuguese 10.09
6 Serbian 10.45
7 Spanish_Cataluna 10.57
8 North_Italian 11.35
9 Spanish_Extremadura 11.65
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.9
11 East_German 12.28
12 Spanish_Murcia 12.38
13 Austrian 12.57
14 Hungarian 12.96
15 Romanian 13.2
16 Southwest_English 13.88
17 Spanish_Cantabria 14.33
18 Spanish_Valencia 14.56
19 North_German 14.72
20 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 15.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 76.3% French + 23.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.13
2 63.5% North_Italian + 36.5%North_Swedish @ 3.16
3 54.9% West_German + 45.1%North_Italian @ 3.25
4 65.1% French + 34.9% Serbian @ 3.36
5 62.2% North_Italian + 37.8%Norwegian @ 3.41
6 70.9% French + 29.1% Romanian @ 3.46
7 54.6% Tuscan + 45.4%Norwegian @ 3.5
8 74.4% French + 25.6% Bulgarian @ 3.52
9 81.5% French + 18.5% Ashkenazi @ 3.55
10 63% North_Italian + 37% Swedish @ 3.56
11 79.2% French + 20.8% Greek @ 3.59
12 62.7% West_German + 37.3%Tuscan @ 3.59
13 56.5% Southwest_English + 43.5%Greek_Thessaly @ 3.64
14 64.4% North_Italian + 35.6%West_Norwegian @ 3.74
15 67.2% South_Dutch + 32.8%Greek_Thessaly @ 3.76
16 81.8% French + 18.2% Central_Greek @ 3.79
17 56.8% Tuscan + 43.2%West_Norwegian @ 3.83
18 88.5% French + 11.5% Cyprian @ 3.97
19 82.5% French + 17.5% East_Sicilian @ 4
20 90.3% French + 9.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.07

[JMack]

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[dududud]

''It seems there's a big genetic variation inside Northern Italy''

Inside Veneto also...

[JMack]

''It seems there's a big genetic variation inside Northern Italy''

Inside Veneto also...

Yeah, some parts of Veneto don't seem to be that different from Bergamo sample. It's becoming more clear that there's some kind of Alps - lowlands variation inside all parts of Northern Italy (I've seen such disparity in Piedmont as well), with people from the Alpine region being considerably more northern than the ones in the lowlands.

This sample, for example, got French, West Germans and even South Dutch before Bergamo North Italian sample in the top 20.

2 63.5% North_Italian + 36.5%North_Swedish @ 3.16

There's a clear sign of considerable Germanic admixture even if this person has 8 Venetian speaking great-grandparents.

[xripkan]

I would expect such a result from someone who comes from German speaking areas of South Tyrol. He is half German genetically.

[JMack]

I would expect such a result from someone who comes from German speaking areas of South Tyrol. He is half German genetically.

This result looked atypical the first time I saw, but then I saw other Alpine Northern Italian results which were similar. She certainly has 8 Venetian great-grandparents and likely 16 Venetian speaking great-great-grandparents. She's from Conco di Vicenza.

Compare with a ''lowland'' from the same province (the difference is quite striking imo):

Admix Results (sorted):

#Population Percent
1 West_Med 23.23
2 North_Sea 20.73
3 Atlantic 19.38
4 East_Med 14.35
5 Baltic 7.32
6 Eastern_Euro 6.9
7 West_Asian 6.39
8 Red_Sea 1.15
9 Amerindian 0.4
10 Oceanian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1 North_Italian 6.12
2 Spanish_Galicia 9.07
3 Portuguese 9.16
4 Tuscan 10.14
5 Spanish_Extremadura 10.42
6 Spanish_Cataluna 10.65
7 Spanish_Murcia 11.19
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.72
9 Spanish_Andalucia 12.39
10 Spanish_Valencia 12.92
11 French 13.01
12 Spanish_Cantabria 13.55
13 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.7
14 Serbian 13.94
15 Greek_Thessaly 13.99
16 Romanian 14.38
17 Bulgarian 14.83
18 Southwest_French 14.99
19 Spanish_Aragon 15.37
20 Greek 15.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.4% Spanish_Galicia + 36.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.06
2 63.3% Portuguese + 36.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.2
3 84.5% North_Italian + 15.5% West_German @ 5.3
4 67% Spanish_Galicia + 33% Greek @ 5.33
5 90.2% North_Italian + 9.8% North_Swedish @ 5.38
6 90% North_Italian + 10% Norwegian @ 5.42
7 90.4% North_Italian + 9.6% Ukrainian @ 5.44
8 90.7% North_Italian + 9.3% West_Norwegian @ 5.45
9 87.2% North_Italian + 12.8% Moldavian @ 5.46
10 86.6% North_Italian + 13.4% Hungarian @ 5.46
11 91.8% North_Italian + 8.2% East_Finnish @ 5.47
12 90.5% North_Italian + 9.5% Swedish @ 5.47
13 91.4% North_Italian + 8.6% Finnish @ 5.48
14 51% Spanish_Cantabria + 49% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.49
15 87.4% North_Italian + 12.6% East_German @ 5.5
16 90.7% North_Italian + 9.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.53
17 93% North_Italian + 7% Erzya @ 5.53
18 61.8% West_German + 38.2% Sardinian @ 5.53
19 94.1% North_Italian + 5.9% Chuvash @ 5.54
20 58.5% Spanish_Cataluna + 41.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.54

[Leto]

Add K13, Dodecad K12b, MDLP K23b.

[dududud]

Yeah, some parts of Veneto don't seem to be that different from Bergamo sample. It's becoming more clear that there's some kind of Alps - lowlands variation inside all parts of Northern Italy (I've seen such disparity in Piedmont as well), with people from the Alpine region being considerably more northern than the ones in the lowlands.

This sample, for example, got French, West Germans and even South Dutch before Bergamo North Italian sample in the top 20.

2 63.5% North_Italian + 36.5%North_Swedish @ 3.16

There's a clear sign of considerable Germanic admixture even if this person has 8 Venetian speaking great-grandparents.

For example, here is the brother of my friend's paternal grandmother results (the mother of their paternal grandfather was named "Rudolf", but the rest of their origin is totally Venetian):

K15:

1 Atlantic 23.2
2 West_Med 19.41
3 North_Sea 17.86
4 East_Med 15.73
5 Baltic 10.45
6 Eastern_Euro 6.48
7 West_Asian 5.19
8 Red_Sea 1.33
9 South_Asian 0.24
10 Oceanian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 4.91
2 Portuguese 9.08
3 Tuscan 9.14
4 Spanish_Cataluna 9.29
5 Spanish_Extremadura 9.64
6 Spanish_Murcia 9.7
7 Spanish_Galicia 9.78
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 10.11
9 Spanish_Andalucia 10.53
10 Spanish_Valencia 10.63
11 Serbian 11.75
12 Romanian 12.06
13 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 12.16
14 Bulgarian 12.24
15 French 12.67
16 Spanish_Cantabria 12.86
17 Southwest_French 13.24
18 Greek_Thessaly 13.65
19 Spanish_Aragon 13.7
20 Greek 13.93

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.7% North_Italian + 11.3% Lithuanian @ 2.41
2 87.5% North_Italian + 12.5% Belorussian @ 2.41
3 87.5% North_Italian + 12.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.47
4 88% North_Italian + 12% Estonian @ 2.48
5 86.2% North_Italian + 13.8% Polish @ 2.48
6 87.4% North_Italian + 12.6% Southwest_Russian @ 2.54
7 86.8% North_Italian + 13.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.55
8 85.4% North_Italian + 14.6% South_Polish @ 2.59
9 85.7% North_Italian + 14.3% Ukrainian @ 2.6
10 87.5% North_Italian + 12.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.66
11 81.5% North_Italian + 18.5% Croatian @ 2.71
12 78.5% North_Italian + 21.5% Austrian @ 2.72
13 88.3% North_Italian + 11.7% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.73
14 85.7% North_Italian + 14.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.77
15 80.6% North_Italian + 19.4% Hungarian @ 2.8
16 89.3% North_Italian + 10.7% Erzya @ 2.83
17 88.2% North_Italian + 11.8% East_Finnish @ 2.89
18 60.7% Spanish_Cataluna 39.3% Greek @ 2.91
19 87.6% North_Italian + 12.4% Finnish @ 2.95
20 86.8% North_Italian + 13.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.97


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/582x419q90/921/jzAdLD.png



K36
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 1.53 Pct
Basque 3.02 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 1.97 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.69 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 5.34 Pct
East_Med 7.49 Pct
Eastern_Euro 1.81 Pct
Fennoscandian 4.59 Pct
French 5.89 Pct
Iberian 15.55 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 25.15 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.37 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 7.48 Pct
North_Caucasian 1.49 Pct
North_Sea 6.86 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.53 Pct
West_Med 7.24 Pct

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/9435/cP4NPZ.png

[xripkan]

This result looked atypical the first time I saw, but then I saw other Alpine Northern Italian results which were similar. She certainly has 8 Venetian great-grandparents and likely 16 Venetian speaking great-great-grandparents. She's from Conco di Vicenza.

Compare with a ''lowland'' from the same province (the difference is quite striking imo):

Admix Results (sorted):

#Population Percent
1 West_Med 23.23
2 North_Sea 20.73
3 Atlantic 19.38
4 East_Med 14.35
5 Baltic 7.32
6 Eastern_Euro 6.9
7 West_Asian 6.39
8 Red_Sea 1.15
9 Amerindian 0.4
10 Oceanian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1 North_Italian 6.12
2 Spanish_Galicia 9.07
3 Portuguese 9.16
4 Tuscan 10.14
5 Spanish_Extremadura 10.42
6 Spanish_Cataluna 10.65
7 Spanish_Murcia 11.19
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.72
9 Spanish_Andalucia 12.39
10 Spanish_Valencia 12.92
11 French 13.01
12 Spanish_Cantabria 13.55
13 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.7
14 Serbian 13.94
15 Greek_Thessaly 13.99
16 Romanian 14.38
17 Bulgarian 14.83
18 Southwest_French 14.99
19 Spanish_Aragon 15.37
20 Greek 15.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.4% Spanish_Galicia + 36.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.06
2 63.3% Portuguese + 36.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.2
3 84.5% North_Italian + 15.5% West_German @ 5.3
4 67% Spanish_Galicia + 33% Greek @ 5.33
5 90.2% North_Italian + 9.8% North_Swedish @ 5.38
6 90% North_Italian + 10% Norwegian @ 5.42
7 90.4% North_Italian + 9.6% Ukrainian @ 5.44
8 90.7% North_Italian + 9.3% West_Norwegian @ 5.45
9 87.2% North_Italian + 12.8% Moldavian @ 5.46
10 86.6% North_Italian + 13.4% Hungarian @ 5.46
11 91.8% North_Italian + 8.2% East_Finnish @ 5.47
12 90.5% North_Italian + 9.5% Swedish @ 5.47
13 91.4% North_Italian + 8.6% Finnish @ 5.48
14 51% Spanish_Cantabria + 49% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.49
15 87.4% North_Italian + 12.6% East_German @ 5.5
16 90.7% North_Italian + 9.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.53
17 93% North_Italian + 7% Erzya @ 5.53
18 61.8% West_German + 38.2% Sardinian @ 5.53
19 94.1% North_Italian + 5.9% Chuvash @ 5.54
20 58.5% Spanish_Cataluna + 41.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.54

Interesting! So the mountainous northern part which is close to Austria and probably isolated is like South Tyrol. I notice that even the lowlands area is a little northern or north-eastern shifted. I assume due to proximity with Slovenia there is some Germano-Slavic admixture?

[FilhoV]

Do you have the kit number if so do you mind sharing

[FilhoV]

Anyone have a Bergamo kit?

[JMack]

Interesting! So the mountainous northern part which is close to Austria and probably isolated is like South Tyrol. I notice that even the lowlands area is a little northern or north-eastern shifted. I assume due to proximity with Slovenia there is some Germano-Slavic admixture?

They could have northwest or northeast pull depending on the location. This individual clearly shif west, but I know some who shift east. It seems this result is from an individual of Cimbrian ancestry. There's also disparity in Friuli between Pordenone (north-shifted) and other provinces.

These ones from Cuneo (Piedmont) posted here before also look north shifted, but not so much:

Peveragno (CN)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 24.61
2 North_Sea 24.02
3 West_Med 20.06
4 East_Med 13.99
5 Baltic 8.93
6 West_Asian 3.83
7 Eastern_Euro 2.92
8 Red_Sea 1.34
9 South_Asian 0.32

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese 6.28
2 Spanish_Galicia 6.38
3 Spanish_Cataluna 6.39
4 North_Italian 7.27
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 7.61
6 Spanish_Murcia 7.66
7 Spanish_Extremadura 7.81
8 French 8.95
9 Spanish_Valencia 9.81
10 Spanish_Andalucia 10.51
11 Spanish_Cantabria 10.81
12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 10.95
13 Spanish_Aragon 12.13
14 Southwest_French 12.16
15 Tuscan 12.63
16 South_Dutch 13.55
17 West_German 14.39
18 Serbian 15.29
19 Romanian 16.39
20 Austrian 17.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.5% North_Italian + 20.5% West_Norwegian @ 3.86
2 73.2% North_Italian + 26.8% Southwest_English @ 3.95
3 77.8% North_Italian + 22.2% Orcadian @ 4
4 74.8% North_Italian + 25.2% Southeast_English @ 4.06
5 69.7% North_Italian + 30.3% West_German @ 4.1
6 77.2% North_Italian + 22.8% North_Dutch @ 4.1
7 79% North_Italian + 21% Norwegian @ 4.1
8 57.1% North_Italian + 42.9% French @ 4.16
9 77.6% North_Italian + 22.4% West_Scottish @ 4.16
10 77% North_Italian + 23% Irish @ 4.17
11 79.6% North_Italian + 20.4% Swedish @ 4.2
12 78.5% Spanish_Cataluna + 21.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.32
13 77.7% North_Italian + 22.3% Danish @ 4.33
14 69.3% North_Italian + 30.7% South_Dutch @ 4.58
15 77.2% North_Italian + 22.8% North_German @ 4.75
16 81.9% North_Italian + 18.1% North_Swedish @ 4.89
17 84.2% Spanish_Cataluna + 15.8% Central_Greek @ 4.98
18 91.6% Spanish_Cataluna + 8.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.99
19 85.2% Spanish_Cataluna + 14.8% Ashkenazi @ 5.05
20 57.3% Spanish_Galicia + 42.7% North_Italian @ 5.07

Boves (CN)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 24.89
2 Atlantic 22.56
3 West_Med 21
4 East_Med 11.97
5 Baltic 9.51
6 West_Asian 7.4
7 Eastern_Euro 1.13
8 Red_Sea 0.94
9 South_Asian 0.59

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Galicia 7.66
2 Portuguese 8.19
3 North_Italian 8.31
4 Spanish_Cataluna 8.57
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 9.49
6 French 9.51
7 Spanish_Extremadura 9.86
8 Spanish_Murcia 10.17
9 Spanish_Valencia 12.11
10 Spanish_Andalucia 12.3
11 Spanish_Cantabria 12.32
12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 12.79
13 Tuscan 13.03
14 Southwest_French 13.86
15 South_Dutch 14.07
16 Spanish_Aragon 14.13
17 West_German 14.23
18 Serbian 15.56
19 Romanian 16.06
20 Bulgarian 17.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67% North_Italian + 33% West_German @ 5.14
2 78.7% North_Italian + 21.3% West_Norwegian @ 5.31
3 72.6% North_Italian + 27.4% Southwest_English @ 5.49
4 77.2% North_Italian + 22.8% Orcadian @ 5.5
5 78.7% North_Italian + 21.3% Swedish @ 5.52
6 78.3% North_Italian + 21.7% Norwegian @ 5.53
7 55.6% North_Italian + 44.4% French @ 5.56
8 76.6% North_Italian + 23.4% North_Dutch @ 5.57
9 70% West_German + 30% Sardinian @ 5.66
10 75.1% North_Italian + 24.9% Southeast_English @ 5.79
11 77.2% North_Italian + 22.8% Irish @ 5.84
12 78% North_Italian + 22% West_Scottish @ 5.88
13 78% North_Italian + 22% Danish @ 5.97
14 61.1% French + 38.9% Tuscan @ 6.03
15 69% North_Italian + 31% South_Dutch @ 6.05
16 76.8% North_Italian + 23.2% North_German @ 6.13
17 78.3% Spanish_Galicia + 21.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.23
18 91.7% Spanish_Galicia + 8.3% Georgian @ 6.25
19 73.4% Spanish_Cataluna + 26.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.27
20 92.2% Spanish_Galicia + 7.8% Abhkasian @ 6.27

[JMack]

Do you have the kit number if so do you mind sharing

No, I don't have the kit number, I'm also searching for it. I took it from another forum.

[Aren]

This is like the same northerly shifted Venetian kit posted over and over again in numerous threads, nothing new in other words.

[JMack]

This is like the same northerly shifted Venetian kit posted over and over again in numerous threads, nothing new in other words.

It would be nice if we had more Alpine Italian kits. But unfortunately we don't have the ''Sikeliot'' of Northern Italians to spam the forum with 10 results per day. Perhaps I'll search for Alpine Northern Italians to post, I have many 23andme cousins from Friuli, Veneto, Switzerland, Tyrol etc.

That said, there's no specific thread about these results, I checked before posting :)

[Lucas]

Anyone have a Bergamo kit?

Probably in most calcs on Gedmatch Bergamo kits would suffer form calculator's effect. They were used as component reference many times.

[Ibericus]

It would be nice if we had more Alpine Italian kits. But unfortunately we don't have the ''Sikeliot'' of Northern Italians to spam the forum with 10 results per day. Perhaps I'll search for Alpine Northern Italians to post, I have many 23andme cousins from Friuli, Veneto, Switzerland, Tyrol etc.

That said, there's no specific thread about these results, I checked before posting :)
i have many of them. which one you want ? some examples:

Swiss-Italians:

Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 35.49
2 West_Med 23.91
3 East_Med 21.19
4 Baltic 14.73
5 Red_Sea 3.75
6 Siberian 0.65
7 Northeast_African 0.15
8 West_Asian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 7.56
2 Portuguese 8.05
3 Spanish_Murcia 9.11
4 Spanish_Valencia 9.14
5 Spanish_Extremadura 9.27
6 Spanish_Galicia 9.33
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 9.68
8 Spanish_Cataluna 9.74
9 Spanish_Andalucia 10.81
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 11.3
11 Tuscan 11.59
12 Spanish_Cantabria 12.47
13 French 12.85
14 Spanish_Aragon 13.33
15 Southwest_French 13.74
16 Romanian 17.54
17 Serbian 17.83
18 West_German 17.84
19 West_Sicilian 18.06
20 Greek_Thessaly 18.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.4% Spanish_Valencia + 23.6% Ashkenazi @ 5.74
2 74.5% Spanish_Cataluna + 25.5% Ashkenazi @ 5.75
3 86.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 13.2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.79
4 88% Spanish_Valencia + 12% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.81
5 74.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 25.1% Ashkenazi @ 5.84
6 80.7% Portuguese + 19.3% Ashkenazi @ 5.87
7 71.5% Spanish_Valencia + 28.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.07
8 65% Southwest_French + 35% Ashkenazi @ 6.11
9 76.8% Spanish_Galicia + 23.2% Ashkenazi @ 6.27
10 65.9% Portuguese + 34.1% Tuscan @ 6.28
11 77.2% Portuguese + 22.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.28
12 69.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 30.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.3
13 80.8% Southwest_French + 19.2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.31
14 72.6% Spanish_Valencia + 27.4% Bulgarian @ 6.31
15 72.2% Spanish_Murcia + 27.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.32
16 77.8% Spanish_Murcia + 22.2% Ashkenazi @ 6.35
17 88.6% Spanish_Valencia + 11.4% Saudi @ 6.37
18 68.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 31.9% Ashkenazi @ 6.37
19 72.9% Spanish_Murcia + 27.1% Bulgarian @ 6.38
20 91.3% Portuguese + 8.7% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.38




# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 33.64
2 West_Med 26.39
3 East_Med 15.04
4 Baltic 14.43
5 West_Asian 7.28
6 Red_Sea 1.64
7 Northeast_African 0.83
8 Amerindian 0.52
9 Siberian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 5.09
2 Portuguese 7.12
3 Spanish_Extremadura 7.46
4 Spanish_Galicia 7.82
5 Spanish_Cataluna 8.21
6 Spanish_Andalucia 8.36
7 Spanish_Valencia 8.51
8 Spanish_Murcia 8.68
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 8.82
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 9.38
11 Spanish_Cantabria 10.25
12 Southwest_French 11.25
13 Tuscan 11.32
14 French 11.38
15 Spanish_Aragon 12.3
16 Romanian 15.32
17 Serbian 16.1
18 West_German 16.17
19 Bulgarian 16.53
20 South_Dutch 16.63

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 34.8% Romanian @ 2
2 66.9% Spanish_Andalucia + 33.1% Bulgarian @ 2.02
3 60.4% Southwest_French + 39.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.13
4 64.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 35.8% Bulgarian @ 2.2
5 57.6% Spanish_Aragon + 42.4% Bulgarian @ 2.4
6 62.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 37.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.57
7 65.9% Southwest_French + 34.1% Central_Greek @ 2.73
8 66.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 33.2% Serbian @ 2.76
9 58% Greek_Thessaly + 42% French_Basque @ 2.77
10 62.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 37.3% Romanian @ 2.81
11 62.4% Spanish_Cantabria + 37.6% Bulgarian @ 2.94
12 58.7% Bulgarian + 41.3% French_Basque @ 3.07
13 55.8% Spanish_Aragon + 44.2% Romanian @ 3.13
14 62.1% Southwest_French + 37.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.15
15 73.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 26.3% Moldavian @ 3.16
16 67.3% Spanish_Valencia + 32.7% Bulgarian @ 3.18
17 81% Southwest_French + 19% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.26
18 70.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 29.3% Bulgarian @ 3.26
19 73.4% North_Italian + 26.6% Southwest_French @ 3.27
20 66.8% Southwest_French + 33.2% East_Sicilian @ 3.27

[Carlito's Way]

It would be nice if we had more Alpine Italian kits. But unfortunately we don't have the ''Sikeliot'' of Northern Italians to spam the forum with 10 results per day. Perhaps I'll search for Alpine Northern Italians to post, I have many 23andme cousins from Friuli, Veneto, Switzerland, Tyrol etc.

That said, there's no specific thread about these results, I checked before posting :)

make a thread about northern italian 23andme results
I will post some of my matches from 23andMe there

[Aren]

It would be nice if we had more Alpine Italian kits. But unfortunately we don't have the ''Sikeliot'' of Northern Italians to spam the forum with 10 results per day. Perhaps I'll search for Alpine Northern Italians to post, I have many 23andme cousins from Friuli, Veneto, Switzerland, Tyrol etc.

That said, there's no specific thread about these results, I checked before posting :)

There are atleast two threads about the North Italian Gedmatch kits from the Alpine project(I'm guessing that's where you got this kit nr from) here on TA.

[JMack]

There are atleast two threads about the North Italian Gedmatch kits from the Alpine project(I'm guessing that's where you got this kit nr from) here on TA.

Actually no, some user from Anthrogenica gave me these results and the checked ancestry of the individual in question. But I think these are interesting results that deserve a thread of their own since this person is considerably northern shifted compared to Bergamo sample and with other Southern Europeans.

[Percivalle]

This result looked atypical the first time I saw, but then I saw other Alpine Northern Italian results which were similar. She certainly has 8 Venetian great-grandparents and likely 16 Venetian speaking great-great-grandparents. She's from Conco di Vicenza.

She is of Cimbrian ancestry if she is from Conco di Vicenza. Conco is a Cimbrian village in Veneto.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conco


however generally speaking yes north Italians of the Alps are generally further north than those of the Po Valley.

[renaissance12]

She is of Cimbrian ancestry if she is from Conco di Vicenza. Conco is a Cimbrian village in Veneto.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conco


however generally speaking yes north Italians of the Alps are generally further north than those of the Po Valley.


Cimbri area ( I live in the middle of Cimbri area... )

https://www.bcunico.com/cimbri.htm

https://www.bcunico.com/CIMBRI/Zona%20Cimbra%201.jpg


There are more and less 6,5 milions Italians who live in the alps-and prealps mountains.. + 22,5 milions in pianura padana and Emilia-Romagna-liguria.

https://www.alpine-region.eu/sites/default/files/styles/full_page/public/uploads/page/20/gallery/mappaareas.jpg?itok=uMuYYW5q

[xripkan]

i have many of them. which one you want ? some examples:

Swiss-Italians:

Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 35.49
2 West_Med 23.91
3 East_Med 21.19
4 Baltic 14.73
5 Red_Sea 3.75
6 Siberian 0.65
7 Northeast_African 0.15
8 West_Asian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 7.56
2 Portuguese 8.05
3 Spanish_Murcia 9.11
4 Spanish_Valencia 9.14
5 Spanish_Extremadura 9.27
6 Spanish_Galicia 9.33
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 9.68
8 Spanish_Cataluna 9.74
9 Spanish_Andalucia 10.81
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 11.3
11 Tuscan 11.59
12 Spanish_Cantabria 12.47
13 French 12.85
14 Spanish_Aragon 13.33
15 Southwest_French 13.74
16 Romanian 17.54
17 Serbian 17.83
18 West_German 17.84
19 West_Sicilian 18.06
20 Greek_Thessaly 18.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.4% Spanish_Valencia + 23.6% Ashkenazi @ 5.74
2 74.5% Spanish_Cataluna + 25.5% Ashkenazi @ 5.75
3 86.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 13.2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.79
4 88% Spanish_Valencia + 12% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.81
5 74.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 25.1% Ashkenazi @ 5.84
6 80.7% Portuguese + 19.3% Ashkenazi @ 5.87
7 71.5% Spanish_Valencia + 28.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.07
8 65% Southwest_French + 35% Ashkenazi @ 6.11
9 76.8% Spanish_Galicia + 23.2% Ashkenazi @ 6.27
10 65.9% Portuguese + 34.1% Tuscan @ 6.28
11 77.2% Portuguese + 22.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.28
12 69.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 30.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.3
13 80.8% Southwest_French + 19.2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.31
14 72.6% Spanish_Valencia + 27.4% Bulgarian @ 6.31
15 72.2% Spanish_Murcia + 27.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.32
16 77.8% Spanish_Murcia + 22.2% Ashkenazi @ 6.35
17 88.6% Spanish_Valencia + 11.4% Saudi @ 6.37
18 68.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 31.9% Ashkenazi @ 6.37
19 72.9% Spanish_Murcia + 27.1% Bulgarian @ 6.38
20 91.3% Portuguese + 8.7% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.38




# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 33.64
2 West_Med 26.39
3 East_Med 15.04
4 Baltic 14.43
5 West_Asian 7.28
6 Red_Sea 1.64
7 Northeast_African 0.83
8 Amerindian 0.52
9 Siberian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 5.09
2 Portuguese 7.12
3 Spanish_Extremadura 7.46
4 Spanish_Galicia 7.82
5 Spanish_Cataluna 8.21
6 Spanish_Andalucia 8.36
7 Spanish_Valencia 8.51
8 Spanish_Murcia 8.68
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 8.82
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 9.38
11 Spanish_Cantabria 10.25
12 Southwest_French 11.25
13 Tuscan 11.32
14 French 11.38
15 Spanish_Aragon 12.3
16 Romanian 15.32
17 Serbian 16.1
18 West_German 16.17
19 Bulgarian 16.53
20 South_Dutch 16.63

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 34.8% Romanian @ 2
2 66.9% Spanish_Andalucia + 33.1% Bulgarian @ 2.02
3 60.4% Southwest_French + 39.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.13
4 64.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 35.8% Bulgarian @ 2.2
5 57.6% Spanish_Aragon + 42.4% Bulgarian @ 2.4
6 62.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 37.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.57
7 65.9% Southwest_French + 34.1% Central_Greek @ 2.73
8 66.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 33.2% Serbian @ 2.76
9 58% Greek_Thessaly + 42% French_Basque @ 2.77
10 62.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 37.3% Romanian @ 2.81
11 62.4% Spanish_Cantabria + 37.6% Bulgarian @ 2.94
12 58.7% Bulgarian + 41.3% French_Basque @ 3.07
13 55.8% Spanish_Aragon + 44.2% Romanian @ 3.13
14 62.1% Southwest_French + 37.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.15
15 73.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 26.3% Moldavian @ 3.16
16 67.3% Spanish_Valencia + 32.7% Bulgarian @ 3.18
17 81% Southwest_French + 19% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.26
18 70.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 29.3% Bulgarian @ 3.26
19 73.4% North_Italian + 26.6% Southwest_French @ 3.27
20 66.8% Southwest_French + 33.2% East_Sicilian @ 3.27




Could you post K15 of Trnetino-South Tyrol and if you have any Central Italian (Marche, Umbria, Abruzzo)?

[Petalpusher]

Of course it has to be like that, this is a major genetic barrier, sure there has been some movements, it's been done but it's not like you could wake up in the morning and say yeah let's go cross the Alps randomly.

https://www.georelief.de/isotope/d/detail2-4280000664372_big.jpg

[Didac]

It seems there's a big genetic variation inside Northern Italy, the biggest genetic divide in Italy isn't between Central Italians and Northern Italians, but between Alpine region people and people from the lowlands (this person is from the Alps).


Admix Results (sorted):

#Population Percent
1 North_Sea 25.56
2 Atlantic 21
3 West_Med 16.12
4 East_Med 9.91
5 Eastern_Euro 9.01
6 Baltic 8.64
7 West_Asian 6.23
8 Red_Sea 3
9 Oceanian 0.55

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source) Distance
1 French 6.27
2 Spanish_Galicia 9.03
3 South_Dutch 9.26
4 West_German 9.5
5 Portuguese 10.09
6 Serbian 10.45
7 Spanish_Cataluna 10.57
8 North_Italian 11.35
9 Spanish_Extremadura 11.65
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.9
11 East_German 12.28
12 Spanish_Murcia 12.38
13 Austrian 12.57
14 Hungarian 12.96
15 Romanian 13.2
16 Southwest_English 13.88
17 Spanish_Cantabria 14.33
18 Spanish_Valencia 14.56
19 North_German 14.72
20 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 15.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 76.3% French + 23.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.13
2 63.5% North_Italian + 36.5%North_Swedish @ 3.16
3 54.9% West_German + 45.1%North_Italian @ 3.25
4 65.1% French + 34.9% Serbian @ 3.36
5 62.2% North_Italian + 37.8%Norwegian @ 3.41
6 70.9% French + 29.1% Romanian @ 3.46
7 54.6% Tuscan + 45.4%Norwegian @ 3.5
8 74.4% French + 25.6% Bulgarian @ 3.52
9 81.5% French + 18.5% Ashkenazi @ 3.55
10 63% North_Italian + 37% Swedish @ 3.56
11 79.2% French + 20.8% Greek @ 3.59
12 62.7% West_German + 37.3%Tuscan @ 3.59
13 56.5% Southwest_English + 43.5%Greek_Thessaly @ 3.64
14 64.4% North_Italian + 35.6%West_Norwegian @ 3.74
15 67.2% South_Dutch + 32.8%Greek_Thessaly @ 3.76
16 81.8% French + 18.2% Central_Greek @ 3.79
17 56.8% Tuscan + 43.2%West_Norwegian @ 3.83
18 88.5% French + 11.5% Cyprian @ 3.97
19 82.5% French + 17.5% East_Sicilian @ 4
20 90.3% French + 9.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.07



Damn suprised this north Italian kit has around the same amount of north euro or northern dna as someone from northern France.