Colonial Brazilian GEDmatch results

[JMack]

This guy claims to be predominantly Colonial Brazilian of 18th century Portuguese ancestry with some Portuguese/Spanish recent ancestors arrived in the beggining of the 1900s (25% of his ancestry).

K13

Admix Results (sorted)

# Population Percent
1 North Atlantic 37.44
2 West Med 28.54
3 East Med 11.17
4 Baltic 8.95
5 Sub Saharan 4.88
6 Wet Asian 2.32
7 Northeast African 2.29
8 Red Sea 1.67
9 American 1.42
10 East Asian 0.66
11 Oceanian 0.66

Single Population Sharing

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish Extremadura 5.96
2 Spanish Andalucia 6.32
3 Spanish Castilla La Mancha 6.62
4 Portuguese 6.7
5 Spanish Murcia 6.71
6 Spanish Galicia 6.74
7 Spanish Castilla Y Leon 6.81
8 Spanish Cantabria 6.92
9 Spanish Valencia 7.08
10 Spanish Cataluna 7.6
11 Spanish Aragon 8.42
12 Southwest French 9.07
13 North Italian 12.09
14 French 13.75
15 Tuscan 17.48
16 French Basque 17.72
17 South Dutch 19.23
18 West German 19.41
19 Southeast English 23.09
20 Southwest English 23.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.1% Castilla La Mancha 5.9% Biaka Pygmy 2.72
2 94.4% Castilla La Mancha 5.6% Bantu SE 2.72
3 94.5% Castilla La Mancha 5.5% Bantu SW 2.73
4 93.9% Castilla La Mancha 6.1% Luhya 2.79
5 93.8% Castilla La Mancha 6.2% Bantu NE 2.8
6 94.6% Castilla La Mancha 5.4% Mandenka 2.83
7 95% Castilla La Mancha 5% Yoruban 2.9
8 93.8% Castilla La Mancha 6.2% Mbuti Pygmy 3
9 93.7% Spanish Cantabria 6.3% Bantu NE 3.2
10 94.7% Spanish Andalucia 5.3% Biaka Pygmy 3.23
11 94.9% Spanish Andalucia 5.1% Bantu SE 3.24
12 93.8% Spanish Cantabria 6.2% Luhya 3.24
13 95% Spanish Andalucia 5% Bantu SW 3.24
14 93.6% Spanish Cantabria 6.4% Mbuty Pygmy 3.25
15 94.5% Spanish Andalucia 5.5% Luhya 3.28
16 94.4% Spanish Andalucia 5.6% Bantu NE 3.29
17 94.1% Spanish Cantabria 5.9% Biaka Pygmy 3.3
18 95.2% Spanish Andalucia 4.8% Mandenka 3.31
19 93.7% Spanish Castilla La Mancha 6.3% San 3.34
20 95.4% Spanish Andalucia 4.6% Yoruban 3.36

MDLP K16 Mosern Oracle Results

Admix Results (sorted)

# Population Percent
1 Neolitic 34.08
2 Caucasian 17.31
3 NorthEastEuropean 16.65
4 Steppe 16.27
5 Subsaharian 5.59
6 NorthAfrican 4.69
7 NearEast 2.72
8 Amerindian 1.19
9 EastAfrican 0.65
10 Oceanic 0.47
11 Australian 0.36

Single Population Sharing

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese (Portugal) 5.91
2 Spanish (Extremadura) 6.09
3 Spanish (Spain) 6.36
4 Spanish (Galicia) 6.62
5 Spanish (Murcia) 6.89
6 Spanish (Baleares) 7.1
7 Spanish (Andalucia) 7.8
8 Spanish (Cataluna) 7.92
9 Provencal (Provence) 8.04
10 Spanish (Castilla Y Leon) 8.31
11 Spanish (Valencia) 8.57
12 Swiss (Switzerland) 9.75
13 Spanish (Castilla La Mancha) 9.76
14 Spanish (Canarias) 10.09
15 French (NorthwestFrance) 10.39
16 French (EastFrance) 10.46
17 French (France) 10.47
18 Corsican (Corsica) 10.77
19 Spanish (Aragon) 10.8
20 Italian (Friul) 10.98

Mixed Mode Population Sharing

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.7% Spanish (Extremadura) 5.3% Esan (Nigeria) 1.99
2 94.7% Spanish (Extremadura) 5.3% Yoruba (Nigeria) 2
3 94.5% Spanish (Extremadura) 5.5% Gambiam (Gambia) 2.02
4 94.5% Spanish (Extremadura) 5.5% Mandenka (Gambia) 2.03
5 94.5% Spanish (Extremadura) 5.5% Mende (Sierra Leone) 2.04
6 94.2% Spanish (Extremadura) 5.8% Bantu (SA Herero) 2.23
7 93.7% Spanish (Extremadura) 6.3% Luhya (Kenya) 2.35
8 93.6% Spanish (Extremadura) 6.4% Luo (Kenia) 2.4
9 92.4% Spanish (Extremadura) 7.6% Siddi (Makran) 2.51
10 94.4% Spanish (Spain) 5.6% Mandenka (Gambia) 2.61
11 94.5% Spanish (Spain) 5.5% Gambian (Gambia) 2.62
12 94.7% Spanish (Spain) 5.3% Yoruba (Nigeria) 2.72
13 94.7% Spanish (Spain) 5.3% Esan (Nigeria) 2.74
14 93.2% Spanish (Spain) 6.8% Afroamerican (Denver) 2.75
15 94.6% Spanish (Spain) 5.4% Mende (Sierra Leone) 2.76
16 94.2% Spanish (Spain) 5.8% Bantu (SA Herero) 2.9
17 93.6% Spanish (Spain) 6.4% Luhya (Kenya) 2.93
18 93.6% Spanish (Spain) 6.4% Luo (Kenia) 2.97
19 92.5% Spanish (Spain) 7.5% Siddi (Makran) 3.16
20 92.8% Spanish (Extremadura) 7.2% Maasai (Ayodo) 3.69


Oracle
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Portuguese_Portugal @ 5.978168
2 Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.992268
3 Spanish_Spain @ 6.327335
4 Spanish_Galicia @ 6.545066
5 Spanish_Murcia @ 6.937581
6 Spanish_Baleares @ 7.218249
7 Spanish_Andalucia @ 7.809060
8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 7.989942
9 Provencal_Provence @ 8.465449
10 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon @ 8.579922
11 Spanish_Valencia @ 8.809546
12 Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha @ 10.260877
13 Swiss_Switzerland @ 10.762058
14 French_NorthwestFrance @ 10.872211
15 French_EastFrance @ 10.886386
16 Spanish_Canarias @ 10.958314
17 French_France @ 10.973870
18 Spanish_Aragon @ 11.407277
19 Spanish_Cantabria @ 11.770754
20 German_Germany @ 11.972765

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Portuguese_Portugal +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.882466


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Friul +25% Spanish_Canarias +25% Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 4.722140


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Jew_Ashkenazi + Basque_Spain + German_NorthGermany + Spanish_Canarias @ 4.476932
2 Jew_Ashkenazi + Basque_Spain + German_SouthGermany + Spanish_Canarias @ 4.532102
3 Jew_Ashkenazi + Basque_Spain + Czech_Czechia + Spanish_Canarias @ 4.606090
4 Jew_Ashkenazi + Basque_France + German_NorthGermany + Spanish_Canarias @ 4.641181
5 Italian_Friul + Spanish_Canarias + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Swiss_Switzerland @ 4.645905
6 French_SouthFrance + Spanish_Canarias + Swiss_Switzerland + Swiss_Switzerland @ 4.658790
7 French_SouthFrance + Italian_Friul + Spanish_Canarias + Swiss_Switzerland @ 4.664810
8 French_SouthFrance + Portuguese_Portugal + Portuguese_Portugal + Swiss_Switzerland @ 4.675999
9 Spanish_Canarias + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Swiss_Switzerland + Swiss_Switzerland @ 4.677666
10 Jew_Ashkenazi + Basque_France + German_SouthGermany + Spanish_Canarias @ 4.693038
11 French_SouthFrance + Italian_Friul + Portuguese_Portugal + Portuguese_Portugal @ 4.697506
12 Italian_Friul + Italian_Friul + Spanish_Canarias + Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 4.722140
13 Jew_Ashkenazi + Austrian_Austria + Basque_Spain + Spanish_Canarias @ 4.735291
14 Portuguese_Portugal + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Swiss_Switzerland @ 4.737254
15 Italian_Friul + Portuguese_Portugal + Portuguese_Portugal + Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 4.741563
16 Jew_Ashkenazi + Basque_Spain + Slovenian_Slovenia + Spanish_Canarias @ 4.753297
17 Portuguese_Portugal + Portuguese_Portugal + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Swiss_Switzerland @ 4.754658
18 Italian_NorthIitaly + Spanish_Canarias + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Swiss_Switzerland @ 4.754892
19 French_SouthFrance + Italian_Friul + Italian_Friul + Spanish_Canarias @ 4.761105
20 Jew_Ashkenazi + Basque_Spain + Dane_Denmark + Spanish_Canarias @ 4.764399

K15 Oracle Results

Admix Results (sorted)

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 26.75
2 West Med 24.65
3 North Sea 20.6
4 East Med 7.8
5 Sub Saharan 4.69
6 Baltic 4.02
7 Eastern Europe 2.87
8 Northeast African 2.7
9 West Asian 2.02
10 Red Sea 1.7
11 Amerindian 1.16
12 Southeast Asian 0.54
13 Oceanian 0.5

Single Population Sharing

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese 6.45
2 Spanish Extremadura 7.06
3 Spanish Galicia 7.23
4 Spanish Castilla Y Leon 7.49
5 Spanish Cantabria 7.5
6 Spanish Murcia 7.67
7 Spanish Cataluna 7.96
8 Spanish Castilla La Mancha 8.74
9 Spanish Andalucia 8.89
10 Spanish Valencia 9.19
11 Spanish Aragon 9.86
12 Southwest French 10.23
13 North Italian 11.78
14 French 13.43
15 Tuscan 17.3
16 South Dutch 17.89
17 French Basque 18.03
18 West German 19.87
19 Southwest English 20.5
20 Serbian 21.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94% Spanish Cantabria 6% Mbuti Pygmy 4.61
2 94.1% Spanish Cantabria 5.9% Bantu NE 4.64
3 94.2% Spanish Cantabria 5.8% Luhya 4.65
4 93.6% Spanish Cantabria 6.4% San 4.66
5 94.5% Spanish Cantabria 5.5% Biaka Pygmy 4.73
6 96.4% Portuguese 3.6% Yoruban 4.78
7 96.1% Portuguese 3.9% Bantu SW 4.78
8 96% Portuguese 4% Bantu SE 4.78
9 96.2% Portuguese 3.8% Mandenka 4.79
10 95.9% Portuguese 4.1% Biaka Pygmy 4.81
11 94.8% Spanish Cantabria 5.2% Bantu SE 4.82
12 94,9% Spanish Cantabria 5,1% Bantu SW 4.85
13 95.7% Portuguese 4.3% Luhya 4.86
14 95.7% Portuguese 4.3% Bantu NE 4.87
15 93.6% Spanish Cantabria 6.4% Sudanese 4.91
16 95.7% Portuguese 4.3% Mbuti Pygmy 4.93
17 95.1% Spanish Cantabria 4.9% Mandenka 4.95
18 95.4% Spanish Cantabria 4.6% Yoruban 5.04
19 93.8% Spanish Cantabria 6.2% Ethiopian Anuak 5.09
20 95.7% Portuguese 4.3% San 5.14

[Catarinense1998]

It is very hard to find a colonial guy with that low african heritage.

[JMack]

It is very hard to find a colonial guy with that low african heritage.

He also has some recent Spanish ancestry, but it's only 25% of his ancestry. His Colonial ancestors were 6-8% SSA at most.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

This the typical colonial result that almost only exist in Brazil.

[JMack]

By the way, this guy is from Ouro Preto, Minas Gerais. They barely have Amerindian ancestry there, he's even more Amerindian than the average (he's 1.5% and people from this region tend to be 0% Amerindian on average).

[Erronkari]

It is very hard to find a colonial guy with that low african heritage.

That individual is basically "white".
That's the big difference between Brazil and the former spanish colonies.
In Brazil is not weird at all to find individuals as that, but in hispanic countries (included also Uruguay) it's almost impossible find a person 75% colonial and scoring more than 80% Euro.
In Spanish colonies mixture with amerinds was far more common.

[Catarinense1998]

That individual is basically "white".
That's the big difference between Brazil and the former spanish colonies.
In Brazil is not weird at all to find individuals as that, but in hispanic countries (included also Uruguay) it's almost impossible find a person 75% colonial and scoring more than 80% Euro.
In Spanish colonies mixture with amerinds was far more common.

Yes. This dude on OP has recent european background, so it helps to increase his european percentage. Obviously, there is regional differences too.

[JMack]

That individual is basically "white".
That's the big difference between Brazil and the former spanish colonies.
In Brazil is not weird at all to find individuals as that, but in hispanic countries (included also Uruguay) it's almost impossible find a person 75% colonial and scoring more than 80% Euro.
In Spanish colonies mixture with amerinds was far more common.

In my experience the only colonials who score heavily European in Brazil (80-90%+) are the ones from Rio and Minas Gerais. In the case of Rio they received HUGE Portuguese immigration in the 19th century so most of their colonials have partial post-independence recent origins. Minas Gerais received Italian immigration in the 19th century, but it was mostly directed to not very populated regions. The White Colonials there are mostly 18th century Portuguese.

[Catarinense1998]

In my experience the only colonials who score heavily European in Brazil (80-90%+) are the ones from Rio and Minas Gerais. In the case of Rio they received HUGE Portuguese immigration in the 19th century so most of their colonials have partial post-independence recent origins. Minas Gerais received Italian immigration in the 19th century, but it was mostly directed to not very populated regions. The White Colonials there are mostly 18th century Portuguese.

How many kits about Florianópolis's people do you have?

[JMack]

How many kits about Florianópolis's people do you have?

Colonial or predominantly Colonial? Not a single one. Most people from Santa Catarina I've seen were predominantly of recent European extract.

[Erronkari]

In my experience the only colonials who score heavily European in Brazil (80-90%+) are the ones from Rio and Minas Gerais. In the case of Rio they received HUGE Portuguese immigration in the 19th century so most of their colonials have partial post-independence recent origins. Minas Gerais received Italian immigration in the 19th century, but it was mostly directed to not very populated regions. The White Colonials there are mostly 18th century Portuguese.

Really interesting!
And more interesting if we see that in Pampas Region (extreme south of Rio Grande do Sul) it's possible to find many colonials or predominantly colonials from that region who score far less Euro than those cariocas or mineiros colonials, because many ancestors of those gaúchos from that area mixed in a good amount with Minuano/Charrúa people, so people from Bagé, Quaraí, Uruguaiana, Santana do Livramento or Aceguá are not substantially different in that sense to people from inner Uruguay.
So many colonial cariocas and mineiros would be far more Euro by genetics than many pampeans of RS, so another stereotype would be debunked...

[Zuh]

He also has some recent Spanish ancestry, but it's only 25% of his ancestry. His Colonial ancestors were 6-8% SSA at most.

His colonial ancestry was most likely colonial white Brazileans

[JMack]

His colonial ancestry was most likely colonial white Brazileans

Certainly, he's 75% Colonial (actually all his ancestry is from the 18-19th centuries, I checked now, so even his ''recent'' ancestry is immediatelly post-colonial) and he is still above 90% Euro. He's around 95% European.


Really interesting!
And more interesting if we see that in Pampas Region (extreme south of Rio Grande do Sul) it's possible to find many colonials or predominantly colonials from that region who score far more Euro than those cariocas or mineiros colonials, because many ancestors of those gaúchos from that area mixed in a good amount with Minuano/Charrúa people, so people from Bagé, Quaraí, Uruguaiana, Santana do Livramento or Aceguá are not substantially different in that sense to people from inner Uruguay.
So many colonial cariocas and mineiros would be far more Euro by genetics than many pampeans of RS, so another stereotype would be debunked...

Yeah, I think colonial Gaúchos would be less white than colonials of Rio/Minas.

But Gaúchos as a whole are whiter because they have much more recent European ancestry. Actually immigration numbers for Rio Grande do Sul weren't much bigger than the ones in Rio, it was actually less. But Rio Grande was less populated and most European immigrants settled in unpopulated countryside areas, so quickly they became the majority of population in these areas.

The European immigrants in Rio and Minas got absorbed by an immense mass of colonial population.

[Erronkari]

Certainly, he's 75% Colonial (actually all his ancestry is from the 18-19th centuries, I checked now, so even his ''recent'' ancestry is immediatelly post-colonial) and he is still above 90% Euro. He's around 95% European.



Yeah, I think colonial Gaúchos would be less white than colonials of Rio/Minas.

But Gaúchos as a whole are whiter because they have much more recent European ancestry. Actually immigration numbers for Rio Grande do Sul weren't much bigger than the ones in Rio, it was actually less. But Rio Grande was less populated and most European immigrants settled in unpopulated countryside areas, so quickly they became the majority of population in these areas.

The European immigrants in Rio and Minas got absorbed by an immense mass of colonial population.

Of course, if we consider the whole population RS is more Euro by a big %.
Indeed Porto Alegre (a city which is far to be considered one of most Euro areas of RS) score around 84%/86% Euro in average... so in pair with Montevideo are probably the most Euro cities of the whole Latam (I don't have data from Floripa though).
Keep in mind that the most Euro influenced city in Argentina, Rosario, scores around 82%.
Another point is judging some tests I saw it seems that Ouro Preto area
Seems a little more Euro influenced than Belo Horizonte, but I'm not sure...

[JMack]

Another point is judging some tests I saw it seems that Ouro Preto area
Seems a little more Euro influenced than Belo Horizonte, but I'm not sure...

It seems Belo Horizonte is whiter than Ouro Preto, I can post the data later. Ouro Preto is one of the blackest regions of Minas, but they happen to have some very Euro colonial types. Belo Horizonte is more varied since it's the capital of state.

I'd say Ouro Preto is 65-70% European on average, the rest being fully African and with no substantial Amerindian contribution. Belo Horizonte would have a little bit more of Amerindian given it's a conglomerate of people from all parts of Minas and Brazil, but unfortunately there's not a lot of very recent data about Minas Gerais other than minor studies and the same study of Bambuí/Baependi spammed incessantly in all these anthroforums. Minas is probably the most heterogeneus Brazilian state.

[Erronkari]

It seems Belo Horizonte is whiter than Ouro Preto, I can post the data later. Ouro Preto is one of the blackest regions of Minas, but they happen to have some very Euro colonial types. Belo Horizonte is more varied since it's the capital of state.

I'd say Ouro Preto is 65-70% European on average, the rest being fully African and with no substantial Amerindian contribution. Belo Horizonte would have a little bit more of Amerindian given it's a conglomerate of people from all parts of Minas and Brazil, but unfortunately there's not a lot of very recent data about Minas Gerais other than minor studies and the same study of Bambuí/Baependi spammed incessantly in all these anthroforums. Minas is probably the most heterogeneus Brazilian state.

So, BH would be 70/73% in average more or less???

Oh!! It makes sense, BH probably recived people from Uberaba, Uberlandia and around there, west Minas seem to be a little more amerindian influenced... right??

[JMack]

So, BH would be 70/73% in average more or less???

More like similar to Ouro Preto (~70%) but with more Amerindian influence given it's a concentration of people from all parts. Ouro Preto region had no substantial Amerindian population when the Portuguese arrived, that's why they have basically Euro and African contribution. Around 1 million Portuguese immigrated there in the 18th century but they also carried tons of Black slaves with them... Ouro Preto has probably a good number of predominantly Africans as well (80%+).

[Carlito's Way]

That individual is basically "white".
That's the big difference between Brazil and the former spanish colonies.
In Brazil is not weird at all to find individuals as that, but in hispanic countries (included also Uruguay) it's almost impossible find a person 75% colonial and scoring more than 80% Euro.
In Spanish colonies mixture with amerinds was far more common.

not true, in Mexico we have many towns with people scoring more than 80% European and having all colonial origins
speak for your region since it got a large wave of immigrants

but in the case of Mexico, although its not super common but its not rare either, I have seen Mexicans even scoring more than 90% euro with all colonial origins
Mexico didnt receive a large wave of euro immigrants and def not enough to shift a population

[Bolsonaro2018]

Colonial with these results are usually from Mid-Southern Minas Gerais.

[FilhoV]

Not much different when compared to mine

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 37.18
2 West_Med 26.89
3 East_Med 14.93
4 Baltic 9.47
5 West_Asian 3.35
6 Red_Sea 3.3
7 Northeast_African 2.45
8 Sub-Saharan 2.2
9 Oceanian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Extremadura 2.57
2 Portuguese 3.37
3 Spanish_Murcia 3.74
4 Spanish_Andalucia 4
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 4.53
6 Spanish_Galicia 4.68
7 Spanish_Valencia 4.94
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.02
9 Spanish_Cataluna 5.75
10 Spanish_Cantabria 7.02
11 Spanish_Aragon 7.9
12 North_Italian 8.19
13 Southwest_French 9.52
14 French 12.16
15 Tuscan 13.65
16 West_German 18.27
17 South_Dutch 18.27
18 French_Basque 19.58
19 West_Sicilian 19.94
20 Italian_Abruzzo 20.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 2.3% Sandawe @ 1.85
2 85.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 14.2% Moroccan @ 1.87
3 98% Spanish_Extremadura + 2% Sudanese @ 1.87
4 98% Spanish_Extremadura + 2% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 1.88
5 85.7% Spanish_Cataluna + 14.3% Mozabite_Berber @ 1.92
6 98.1% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.9% San @ 1.93
7 98% Spanish_Extremadura + 2% Hadza @ 1.93
8 98.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.8% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 1.95
9 98.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.8% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 1.98
10 97.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 2.1% Maasai @ 1.99
11 86.7% Spanish_Cantabria + 13.3% Egyptian @ 1.99
12 87.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 12.1% Tunisian @ 2.02
13 95.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.5% Tunisian @ 2.03
14 95.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.6% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.03
15 98.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.6% Bantu_N.E. @ 2.05
16 95.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.6% Algerian @ 2.06
17 98.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.6% Luhya @ 2.06
18 98.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.5% Biaka_Pygmy @ 2.09
19 85.7% Spanish_Cataluna + 14.3% Algerian @ 2.1
20 95.8% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.2% Moroccan

[Duffmannn]

That individual is basically "white".
That's the big difference between Brazil and the former spanish colonies.
In Brazil is not weird at all to find individuals as that, but in hispanic countries (included also Uruguay) it's almost impossible find a person 75% colonial and scoring more than 80% Euro.
In Spanish colonies mixture with amerinds was far more common.

Well, the pure colonial people with more than 80% euro imput are not extremely rare, they conform something like the 5-10% of Mexico, 10% of Colombia, 5-10% Dominican Republic, 5% of Peru, 20% of Puerto Rico, 15-20% of Chile (here even the individuals around 100% spanish of colonial origin exist). The pattern of colonial people on that range would be similar as Brazil as a whole, taking into account the post-independance migration in Brazil, because I doubt that in Nordeste (which barely received european inmigration post-independance) the number are greater than in a mainstream hispanic country, and the heaviest regions (Rio de Janeiro, Minas Gerais) are comparable to Puerto Rico or Chile.

[Duffmannn]

The white colonials, or higly euro colonials, ¿exist in states as Goiás or Mato Grosso?

In general genetical terms, these states, Goiás and both Mato Grosso, assimilate more to the Central colonial ones (Rio-Minas) or to the Nordestino ones.

[Adamastor]

Well, the pure colonial people with more than 80% euro imput are not extremely rare, they conform something like the 5-10% of Mexico, 10% of Colombia, 5-10% Dominican Republic, 5% of Peru, 20% of Puerto Rico, 15-20% of Chile (here even the individuals around 100% spanish of colonial origin exist). The pattern of colonial people on that range would be similar as Brazil as a whole, taking into account the post-independance migration in Brazil, because I doubt that in Nordeste (which barely received european inmigration post-independance) the number are greater than in a mainstream hispanic country, and the heaviest regions (Rio de Janeiro, Minas Gerais) are comparable to Puerto Rico or Chile.

This is simply not true, because most people of colonial origins I post are around 95-100% European, not just 80%. There's a Brazilian genealogist who walks around anthrofora with proved ancestry from Brazil since 1550 and he is still 96% European. I never saw a single Hispanic with similar results since I started to come in these forums.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Well, the pure colonial people with more than 80% euro imput are not extremely rare, they conform something like the 5-10% of Mexico, 10% of Colombia, 5-10% Dominican Republic, 5% of Peru, 20% of Puerto Rico, 15-20% of Chile (here even the individuals around 100% spanish of colonial origin exist). The pattern of colonial people on that range would be similar as Brazil as a whole, taking into account the post-independance migration in Brazil, because I doubt that in Nordeste (which barely received european inmigration post-independance) the number are greater than in a mainstream hispanic country, and the heaviest regions (Rio de Janeiro, Minas Gerais) are comparable to Puerto Rico or Chile.

Of course Nordeste has more heavily euro colonials than a mainstream or average hispanic country, as you said Northeast barely received post colonial immigrants and still genetic studies show this region is more european than most Hispanic Countries.

Also, despite not being Minas Gerais, Nordeste still received more european immigrants than big hispanic countries in colonial times.

[Duffmannn]

This is simply not true, because most people of colonial origins I post are around 95-100% European, not just 80%. There's a Brazilian genealogist who walks around anthrofora with proved ancestry from Brazil since 1550 and he is still 96% European. I never saw a single Hispanic with similar results since I started to come in these forums.

Erronakari was mentioning people over 80%....

Anyways, the most european latin american population would be (if they wouldn´t have intermengled with the latter anglo-germanic wave) the hispanics (french too) from Louisiana and Texas, that migrated in families and remained isolated in a late stage in the XVIII century.

[Duffmannn]

Of course Nordeste has more heavily euro colonials than a mainstream or average hispanic country, as you said Northeast barely received post colonial immigrants and still genetic studies show this region is more european than most Hispanic Countries.

Also, despite not being Minas Gerais, Nordeste still received more european immigrants than big hispanic countries in colonial times.

This region is moving in the same range of europeaness of countries like Colombia in a middle term. Nothing espectacular.

Brazil probably received more africans than all Hispanic America combined, especially Centro Sur y Nordeste, something to be mentioned.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Erronakari was mentioning people over 80%....

Anyways, the most european latin american population would be (if they wouldn´t have intermengled with the latter anglo-germanic wave) the hispanics (french too) from Louisiana and Texas, that migrated in families and remained isolated in a late stage in the XVIII century.

How? French brought many blacks with them and thats why those places have a big mixed Cajun and Creole population.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

This region is moving in the same range of europeaness of countries like Colombia in a middle term. Nothing espectacular.

Brazil probably received more africans than all Hispanic America combined, especially Centro Sur y Nordeste, something to be mentioned.

Most studies show Colombia as 55-60% and Nordeste around 60%-65%. There is a diference. I personally believe Nordeste is around 57.5-63.5% euro.

Some small caribean islands also received more blacks than all Hispanic America, those numbers are important, but there is other things to consider like life expectancy and reprodution rate. For example, most blacks in Brazil are descandents from the last and most recent waves.

[Duffmannn]

How? French brought many blacks with them and thats why those places have a big mixed Cajun and Creole population.

Read what I have written carefully.

Also, Creoles and Cajuns are different ethnicities, this can give you an idea.

[Latinus]

Of course Nordeste has more heavily euro colonials than a mainstream or average hispanic country, as you said Northeast barely received post colonial immigrants and still genetic studies show this region is more european than most Hispanic Countries.

Also, despite not being Minas Gerais, Nordeste still received more european immigrants than big hispanic countries in colonial times.

Maybe because the Portuguese colonial imput in Brazil was bigger than the Spanish colonial imput in Hispanic America?
Brazil's high European imput derives not just from the recent Euro immigrants in the XIX and XX centuries, but also the Portuguese colonial imput, which was huge in colonial Minas Gerais, for example.

[Duffmannn]

Most studies show Colombia as 55-60% and Nordeste around 60%-65%. There is a diference. I personally believe Nordeste is around 57.5-63.5% euro.

Some small caribean islands also received more blacks than all Hispanic America, those numbers are important, but there is other things to consider like life expectancy and reprodution rate. For example, most blacks in Brazil are descandents from the last and most recent waves.

Brasil is around 65% euro, counting Centro Sur y Sur.


most blacks in Brazil are descandents from the last and most recent waves.

Same in Cuba, without the last slave sendings in the second half of the XIX century (there were even chinese slaves, coolies: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inmigraci%C3%B3n_china_en_Cuba) the island would even more european (and even with the post-revolution inmigration is still 75% euro)

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Brasil is around 65% euro, counting Centro Sur y Sur.



Same in Cuba, without the last slave sendings in the second half of the XIX century (there were even chinese slaves, coolies: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inmigraci%C3%B3n_china_en_Cuba) the island would even more european (and even with the post-revolution inmigration is still 75% euro)

65% or more. Most genetic studies show figures above that.

[Adamastor]

This region is moving in the same range of europeaness of countries like Colombia in a middle term. Nothing espectacular.

Brazil probably received more africans than all Hispanic America combined, especially Centro Sur y Nordeste, something to be mentioned.

So what? Brazil also received 4x more Iberians than all Hispanic American countries combined in the colonial period. I posted many sources (from Spanish universities) in this forum about that. It's a more than known fact at this point.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Maybe because the Portuguese colonial imput in Brazil was bigger than the Spanish colonial imput in Hispanic America?
Brazil's high European imput derives not just from the recent Euro immigrants in the XIX and XX centuries, but also the Portuguese colonial imput, which was huge in colonial Minas Gerais, for example.

Yes, the portuguese immigration to many parts of Brazil was more relevant than in Hispanic America. In Minas Gerais, the immigration numbers were so extradiornary that overshadow important immigrations to other provinces that were big but not as big.

[Duffmannn]

I don´t know yet where do you want to arrive with this discussion :wink

[Tenma de Pegasus]

That individual is basically "white".
That's the big difference between Brazil and the former spanish colonies.
In Brazil is not weird at all to find individuals as that, but in hispanic countries (included also Uruguay) it's almost impossible find a person 75% colonial and scoring more than 80% Euro.
In Spanish colonies mixture with amerinds was far more common.

The point is that Erronkari is mostly correct. There is an excess of white colonials in Brazil and thats boost the number of white people here. If we had only post colonial immigrants, the country would be much less white.

[Adamastor]

I don´t know yet where do you want to arrive with this discussion :wink

The point is clear: there are more near-pure and pure ''colonial whites'' in Brazil than in Hispanic America. Even with castas and shit there, you guys weren't able to maintain much people in the 95-100% range. Not that this range is immense in Brazil among colonials (I believe it's not the most common even for people with recent European ancestry), it's not, but more prevalent than in Hispanic America.

[Duffmannn]

The point is clear: there are more near-pure and pure ''colonial whites'' in Brazil than in Hispanic America. Even with castas and shit there, you guys weren't able to maintain much people in the 95-100% range. Not that this range is immense in Brazil among colonials (I believe it's not the most common even for people with recent European ancestry), it's not, but more prevalent than in Hispanic America.

I never denied that in any moment (I never spoke about It too)

[FilhoV]

Quite similar to my results

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 37.17
2 West_Med 26.92
3 East_Med 14.89
4 Baltic 9.5
5 West_Asian 3.33
6 Red_Sea 3.29
7 Northeast_African 2.45
8 Sub-Saharan 2.19
9 Oceanian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Extremadura 2.56
2 Portuguese 3.35
3 Spanish_Murcia 3.74
4 Spanish_Andalucia 3.99
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 4.51
6 Spanish_Galicia 4.65
7 Spanish_Valencia 4.93
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5
9 Spanish_Cataluna 5.73
10 Spanish_Cantabria 6.98
11 Spanish_Aragon 7.88
12 North_Italian 8.2
13 Southwest_French 9.48
14 French 12.15
15 Tuscan 13.68
16 South_Dutch 18.25
17 West_German 18.26
18 French_Basque 19.56
19 West_Sicilian 19.96
20 Italian_Abruzzo 20.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 2.3% Sandawe @ 1.84
2 98% Spanish_Extremadura + 2% Sudanese @ 1.86
3 85.9% Spanish_Cataluna + 14.1% Moroccan @ 1.86
4 98% Spanish_Extremadura + 2% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 1.87
5 98.1% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.9% San @ 1.92
6 98% Spanish_Extremadura + 2% Hadza @ 1.92
7 85.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 14.2% Mozabite_Berber @ 1.92
8 98.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.8% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 1.94
9 86.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 13.2% Egyptian @ 1.97
10 98.3% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.7% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 1.97
11 97.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 2.1% Maasai @ 1.98
12 87.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 12.1% Tunisian @ 2.02
13 95.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.5% Tunisian @ 2.03
14 95.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.6% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.03
15 98.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.6% Bantu_N.E. @ 2.04
16 98.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.6% Luhya @ 2.05
17 95.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.5% Algerian @ 2.06
18 98.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.5% Biaka_Pygmy @ 2.08
19 85.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 14.2% Algerian @ 2.1
20 95.8% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.2% Moroccan @ 2.12