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Babak
04-28-2019, 09:26 PM
I'm getting fucking sick of all of the people trying to hijack this word.
Scholars point out that, even in ancient times, the idea of being an "Aryan" was religious, cultural and linguistic, not racial.[9][10][11]
Philologist J.P. Mallory argues that "As an ethnic designation, the word [Aryan] is most properly limited to the Indo-Iranians, and most justly to the latter where it still gives its name to the country Iran.[4]
Unlike the several meanings connected with ārya- in Old Indo-Aryan, the Old Persian term only has an ethnic meaning.[43][44] That is in contrast to Indian usage, in which several secondary meanings evolved, the meaning of ar- as a self-identifier is preserved in Iranian usage, hence the word "Iran". The airya meant "Iranian", and Iranian anairya [23][45] meant and means "non-Iranian". Arya may also be found as an ethnonym in Iranian languages, e.g., Alan and Persian Iran and Ossetian Ir/Iron[45] The name is itself equivalent to Aryan, where Iran means "land of the Aryans,"[23][44][45][46][47][48][49][50] and has been in use since Sassanid times.[48][49]
The name for the Sassanian Empire in Middle Persian is Eran Shahr which means Aryan Empire.[83]
Viçwamitra
04-29-2019, 04:27 AM
Why are you so mad Pajeet? You're out of curry or something?
Why are you chimping out Half Turk ? Still want more Turk DNA for your women ?
PaleoEuropean
05-07-2019, 01:01 PM
It seems to be a consensus on these forums that Aryans were mixed with BMAC types when they entered the Indian Subcontinent, but according to Survive the Jive Aryans were purely Andronovo when they entered India (understood here as whole South Asia, not only India as a country ofc) and that's the reason we still can find Euro-looking populations in India.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSVZB3zJ35I
So in this view we have the idea of Viking looking individuals running around the Ganges and creating the Vedic myths and songs. A beautiful image imo.
''Aryan's'' are Iranian in lineage not Northern European. The concept of Aryans being Northern European was based off politics not on science. Indo-Aryans such as people who descend from R1b and R1a aren't native to Europe. The only true Northern Europeans are people such as myself who directly descend from European Hunter Gathers i.e I1 and I2. One can argue that they became hybridized, but if you get down to it; they simply are not Nordic nor are they Indigenous to Europe. In fact, Semites are more closely related as I and J split up further down the line from R, so Jews and Arabs would be closer to EHG than Aryans would be if you are going strictly off lineage. The Aryans did invade parts of India (which didn't exist yet). The Iranian Aryan lineages are evident in populations like the Pashtuns and certain Bengali people as well as many others including upper caste families.
''Aryan's'' are Iranian in lineage not Northern European. The concept of Aryans being Northern European was based off politics not on science. Indo-Aryans such as people who descend from R1b and R1a aren't native to Europe. The only true Northern Europeans are people such as myself who directly descend from European Hunter Gathers i.e I1 and I2. One can argue that they became hybridized, but if you get down to it; they simply are not Nordic nor are they Indigenous to Europe. In fact, Semites are more closely related as I and J split up further down the line from R, so Jews and Arabs would be closer to EHG than Aryans would be if you are going strictly off lineage. The Aryans did invade parts of India (which didn't exist yet). The Iranian Aryan lineages are evident in populations like the Pashtuns and certain Bengali people as well as many others including upper caste families.
EHG would be closer to Jews and Arabs than to Aryans?What are you even talking about?
PaleoEuropean
05-07-2019, 02:12 PM
EHG would be closer to Jews and Arabs than to Aryans?What are you even talking about?
R split from from I and J far earlier. Aryans came into Europe from the East, European HG came in through Turkey and the Mediterranean. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_IJ
Ayetooey
05-07-2019, 02:17 PM
''Aryan's'' are Iranian in lineage not Northern European. The concept of Aryans being Northern European was based off politics not on science. Indo-Aryans such as people who descend from R1b and R1a aren't native to Europe. The only true Northern Europeans are people such as myself who directly descend from European Hunter Gathers i.e I1 and I2. One can argue that they became hybridized, but if you get down to it; they simply are not Nordic nor are they Indigenous to Europe. In fact, Semites are more closely related as I and J split up further down the line from R, so Jews and Arabs would be closer to EHG than Aryans would be if you are going strictly off lineage. The Aryans did invade parts of India (which didn't exist yet). The Iranian Aryan lineages are evident in populations like the Pashtuns and certain Bengali people as well as many others including upper caste families.
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R split from from I and J far earlier. Aryans came into Europe from the East, EHG came in through Turkey and the Mediterranean. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_IJ
Yes,R split from I and J earlier,EHG was most likely carrying the R hg judging from its high ANE content which was definitely R heavy,so how is it closer to modern arabs and jews,not even mentioning the fact that modern semites have basically zero EHG.I've never heard about EHG migrating through Anatolia,could you provide some source for that?Also what do you identify with the Aryans tho?PIE came into existence on the pontic steppe,which is in eastern europe.
Dorian
05-07-2019, 02:25 PM
Big deal about "aryan nordicz" they were just danubian med/iranid/atlantoUP mongrels who through selective pressure&inbreeding got depigmented.
Big deal about "aryan nordicz" they were just danubian med/iranid/atlantoUP mongrels who through selective pressure&inbreeding got depigmented.
Nice try neolithic farmer,nice try...
PaleoEuropean
05-07-2019, 02:35 PM
I like you.
I like you too <3.
PaleoEuropean
05-07-2019, 02:49 PM
Yes,R split from I and J earlier,EHG was most likely carrying the R hg judging from its high ANE content which was definitely R heavy,so how is it closer to modern arabs and jews,not even mentioning the fact that modern semites have basically zero EHG.I've never heard about EHG migrating through Anatolia,could you provide some source for that?Also what do you identify with the Aryans tho?PIE came into existence on the pontic steppe,which is in eastern europe.
Dorian
05-07-2019, 02:52 PM
Nice try neolithic farmer,nice try...
When you talk to your daddy you won't have that attitude, there's no trying here,just spitting truths.
Feeling butthurt?eat some of this...
https://tmbidigitalassetsazure.blob.core.windows.net/secure/RMS/attachments/37/1200x1200/Shaker-Bean-Soup_exps2638_GPW2337930A12_09_1bC_RMS.jpg
PaleoEuropean
05-07-2019, 02:56 PM
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PaleoEuropean
05-07-2019, 03:02 PM
It is common knowledge that I came up through Anatolia into the Balkans and Mediterranean into Europe. IJ is sourced in Turkey, I is the only Y-DNA haplgroup around that was birthed in Western Europe besides Neanderthals. Every European HG Y line but I is extinct.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14586639 https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdfExtended/S0960-9822(15)01516-X
PaleoEuropean
05-07-2019, 03:05 PM
Sorry for the spam, the website was going crazy for me.
When you talk to your daddy you won't have that attitude, there's no trying here,just spitting truths.
Feeling butthurt?eat some of this...
https://tmbidigitalassetsazure.blob.core.windows.net/secure/RMS/attachments/37/1200x1200/Shaker-Bean-Soup_exps2638_GPW2337930A12_09_1bC_RMS.jpg
Whats up with southern euros and their Aryan envy?
It is common knowledge that I came up through Anatolia into the Balkans and Mediterranean into Europe. IJ is sourced in Turkey, I is the only Y-DNA haplgroup around that was birthed in Western Europe besides Neanderthals. Every EHG Y line but I is extinct.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14586639 https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdfExtended/S0960-9822(15)01516-XHg. I was WHG.
EHG is mixed with Siberian HG and other auDNA and is partly Mongoloid
https://i.postimg.cc/4yFnjxwB/Iran-N-Levant-N-EHG-WHG.png
https://i.postimg.cc/rpLsBbCX/wykres-PCA.png
https://i.postimg.cc/qRJRR351/yamna-steppe-emba-mlba-cloud.png
Seriously,WAT? Those two links have nothing to do with EHG.I believe you are confusing WHG and EHG?EHG stands for Eastern Hunter Gatherer,a mixture of ANE and some WHG-like pop.WHG stands for Western Hunter Gatherers which are native to Europe.The R hg split from IJ sooner,J is common in the MENA and Caucasus so I is closer to J and thus semitic people,nonetheless a comparison like this is quiet retarded.EHG was never anywhere near anatolia.not.ever.EHG didnt carry I hg,not as far as we know and yes WHG is native to europe and I1/I2 are the oldest known native european hgs but they are connected to WHG not EHG.R1b and R1a were also native to mesolithic ukraine so how are they connected to Anatolia???? You are confusing different timelines,haplogroups,populations.
Seriously,WAT? Those two links have nothing to do with EHG.I believe you are confusing WHG and EHG?EHG stands for Eastern Hunter Gatherer,a mixture of ANE and some WHG-like pop.WHG stands for Western Hunter Gatherers which are native to Europe.The R hg split from IJ sooner,J is common in the MENA and Caucasus so I is closer to J and thus semitic people,nonetheless a comparison like this is quiet retarded.EHG was never anywhere near anatolia.not.ever.EHG didnt carry I hg,not as far as we know and yes WHG is native to europe and I1/I2 are the oldest known native european hgs but they are connected to WHG not EHG.R1b and R1a were also native to mesolithic ukraine so how are they connected to Anatolia???? You are confusing different timelines,haplogroups,populations.
EHG is not Aryan at all, it is Mongoloid (partly Mongoloid Siberian HG). Proto-Aryans were for a huge part Iran_N (Neolithic Iranian Plateau Farmers).
EHG is not Aryan at all, it is Mongoloid (partly Mongoloid Siberian HG). Proto-Aryans were for a huge part Iran_N (Neolithic Iranian Plateau Farmers).
What do you mean by Aryan?Yamnaya?Corded Ware? Yamna had around half of their dna from EHG and the other half from CHG.Iran_N was probably a CHG rich population but I would like to see a fit for Yamna by using Iran_N.Neither CHG nor EHG was in itself "Aryan" or whatever,the paternal lines connected to Aryans came from EHG tho.
Dorian
05-07-2019, 03:35 PM
Whats up with southern euros and their Aryan envy?
Are you really dumb or pretending to be one? explain where did you see envy?Especially from me as a Greek?that's ironic,teacher can't be envious of its student but hit his palm with a ruler instead.
There's nothing to envy from the equivalent of European "afrocentrists" ,it's called putting delusional people in their place.
And you ?with the history of your country you dare to be an "aryanist"? come back to your senses.
East Iranian (East Arya) BMAC was full of Iran_N. There is a lot Iran_N is the ancient and modern Steppes populations. Aryan Iran_N from BMAC brought metallurgy and farming to the Steppes. It made Mongoloid Steppe people more civilized.
EHG is not Aryan at all, it is Mongoloid (partly Mongoloid Siberian HG). Proto-Aryans were for a huge part Iran_N (Neolithic Iranian Plateau Farmers).
What do you mean by Aryan?Yamnaya?Corded Ware? Yamna had around half of their dna from EHG and the other half from CHG.Iran_N was probably a CHG rich population but I would like to see a fit for Yamna by using Iran_N.Neither CHG nor EHG was in itself "Aryan" or whatever,the paternal lines connected to Aryans came from EHG tho.
Are you really dumb or pretending to be one? explain where did you see envy?Especially from me as a Greek?that's ironic,teacher can't be envious of its student but hit his palm with a ruler instead.
There's nothing to envy from the equivalent of European "afrocentrists" ,it's called putting delusional people in their place.
And you ?with the history of your country you dare to be an "aryanist"? come back to your senses.
Yes lol,especially as a greek.Its quiet common among you guys.
What do you mean by Aryan?Yamnaya?Corded Ware? Yamna had around half of their dna from EHG and the other half from CHG.Iran_N was probably a CHG rich population but I would like to see a fit for Yamna by using Iran_N.Neither CHG nor EHG was in itself "Aryan" or whatever,the paternal lines connected to Aryans came from EHG tho.Arya doesn't equal Yamnaya. Yamnaya was nothing more, nothig less than second stage PIEan than Indo-Europeanised Europe.
Arya was only related to the Iranic speakers and not to the Germanic, Celtic, Slavic, Baltic etc. speakers.
Aryan = Iranian. Iranians are NATIVE to the Iranian Plateau, where Iran_N (Aryan neolithic Iranian Farmer auDNA is from)
East Iranian (East Arya) BMAC was full of Iran_N. There is a lot Iran_N is the ancient and modern Steppes populations. Aryan Iran_N from BMAC brought metallurgy and farming to the Steppes. It made Mongoloid Steppe people more civilized.
Dorian
05-07-2019, 03:39 PM
Yes lol,especially as a greek.Its quiet common among you guys.
What's common? anyways yeah we are your "godfathers" otherwise you'd hunt meat in Siberia.
East Iranian (East Arya) BMAC was full of Iran_N. There is a lot Iran_N is the ancient and modern Steppes populations. Aryan Iran_N from BMAC brought metallurgy and farming to the Steppes. It made Mongoloid Steppe people more civilized.
BMAC wasnt Aryan.Iran_N could be a fit for PIE as its a CHG heavy population but populations from the Caucasus are a much better fit so wrong,obviously modern Iranians descend from them,it doesnt make it any more Aryan tho.Steppe IEs werent mongoloid phenotypically.Metallurgy came from south of caucasus probably,we dont know,I guess this is just some Kurdish we wuz?
Arya doesn't equal Yamnaya. Yamnaya was nothing more, nothig less than second stage PIEan than Indo-Europeanised Europe.
Arya was only related to the Iranic speakers and not to the Germanic, Celtic, Slavic, Baltic etc. speakers.
Aryan = Iranian. Iranians are NATIVE to the Iranian Plateau, where Iran_N (Aryan neolithic Iranian Farmer auDNA is from)
East Iranian (East Arya) BMAC was full of Iran_N. There is a lot Iran_N is the ancient and modern Steppes populations. Aryan Iran_N from BMAC brought metallurgy and farming to the Steppes. It made Mongoloid Steppe people more civilized.
Okay,if you equate Aryans with the Iranian mix of Andronovo+Native iranian farmers then you are right about some Iran_N like pop+Steppe making modern Iranic pops, altough before the arrival of Andronovo neither Iran_N or BMAC or any native population there cannot be called "Aryan".Yamna had metallurgy LONG before the Andronovo even came to existance and contact with BMAC so you are confusing different timelines.
BMAC wasnt Aryan.Iran_N could be a fit for PIE as its a CHG heavy population but populations from the Caucasus are a much better fit so wrong,obviously modern Iranians descend from them,it doesnt make it any more Aryan tho.Steppe IEs werent mongoloid phenotypically.Metallurgy came from south of caucasus probably,we dont know,I guess this is just some Kurdish we wuz?BMAC was 9999% eastern Aryan (Eastern Iranic and proto-Vedic).
The biggest author on BMAC was Sarianidi. He died few years ago before DNA from BMAC was known. Sarianidi himself advocates identifying the complex as Indo-Iranian, describing it as the result of a migration from southwestern Iran. Bactria–Margiana material has been found at Susa, Shahdad, and Tepe Yahya in Iran,
As argued by Michael Witzel[22] and Alexander Lubotsky,[23] there is a proposed substratum in Proto-Indo-Iranian which can be plausibly identified with the original language of the BMAC. Moreover, Lubotsky points out a larger number of words apparently borrowed from the same language, which are only attested in Indo-Aryan and therefore evidence of a substratum in Vedic Sanskrit. He explains this by proposing that Indo-Aryan speakers probably formed the vanguard of the movement into south-central Asia and many of the BMAC loanwords which entered Iranian may have been mediated through Indo-Aryan.[23]:306 Michael Witzel points out that the borrowed vocabulary includes words from agriculture, village and town life, flora and fauna, ritual and religion, so providing evidence for the acculturation of Indo-Iranian speakers into the world of urban civilisation.[22]
Okay,if you equate Aryans with the Iranian mix of Andronovo+Native iranian farmers then you are right about some Iran_N like pop+Steppe making modern Iranic pops, altough before the arrival of Andronovo neither Iran_N or BMAC or any native population there cannot be called "Aryan".Yamna had metallurgy LONG before the Andronovo even came to existance and contact with BMAC so you are confusing different timelines.Yamnaya go metallurgy (like asenic bronze) from the Caucaus (Maykop/Leyla Tepe).
BMAC is much older than most people believe. Still, BMAC was older than Andronovo Horizon. But they found DNA in BMAC and it is more than 10000 years old. Has something to do with the ancient Aryan Neolithic farmers from the Iranian Plateau.
https://i.postimg.cc/vBTJjbBZ/Ganj-Dareh.jpg
Not in 10000000 years of time ancient Mongoloid EHG savages from the NorthCentral Steppes were Aryans.
What's common? anyways yeah we are your "godfathers" otherwise you'd hunt meat in Siberia.
Ironically its the other way around,your language and culture comes from the Steppe IE invaders while you barely have any of their dna anymore.Must suck.
Yamnaya go metallurgy (like asenic bronze) from the Caucaus (Maykop/Leyla Tepe).
BMAC is much older than most people believe. Still, BMAC was older than Andronovo Horizon. But they found DNA in BMAC and it is more than 10000 years old. Has something to do with the ancient Aryan Neolithic farmers from the Iranian Plateau.
https://i.postimg.cc/vBTJjbBZ/Ganj-Dareh.jpg
Not in 10000000 years of time ancient Mongoloid EHG savages from the NorthCentral Steppes were Aryans.
Thats some advanced wuz,I like it.+1
Ironically its the other way around,your language and culture comes from the Steppe IE invaders while you barely have any of their dna anymore.Must suck.Ancient Mycenaean (proto-Hellenic?) auDNA was actually very native to the ancient Hellenic lands. Steppes ancestry was almost absent in Mycenaeans. And if there was some, it was arguably from minor geneflow. Modern day Greeks are very, very close to the ancient Mycenaean DNA.
Dorian
05-07-2019, 04:07 PM
Ironically its the other way around,your language and culture comes from the Steppe IE invaders while you barely have any of their dna anymore.Must suck.
Ok,open your palms now..
Ancient Mycenaean (proto-Hellenic?) auDNA was actually very native to the ancient Hellenic lands. Steppes ancestry was almost absent in Mycenaeans. And if there was some, it was arguably from minor geneflow. Modern day Greeks are very, very close to the ancient Mycenaean DNA.
Yea,except not.The IE invaders mixed in with the natives like everywhere but
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature23310.html
"However, the Mycenaeans differed from Minoans in deriving additional ancestry from an ultimate source related to the hunter–gatherers of eastern Europe and Siberia [6, 7, 8], introduced via a proximal source related to the inhabitants of either the Eurasian steppe [1, 6, 9] or Armenia [4, 9]"
Modern Greeks might be close to the mixed pop and even have some extra Steppe due to later invasions(Slavic etc) from the north but its still minimal and it was obviously the Indo-Europeans who defined their culture.Their language and culture(the part which matters)stem from the IE invaders not the true natives(Minoans).
Yea,except not.The IE invaders mixed in with the natives like everywhere but
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature23310.html
"However, the Mycenaeans differed from Minoans in deriving additional ancestry from an ultimate source related to the hunter–gatherers of eastern Europe and Siberia [6, 7, 8], introduced via a proximal source related to the inhabitants of either the Eurasian steppe [1, 6, 9] or Armenia [4, 9]"
Modern Greeks might be close to the mixed pop and even have some extra Steppe due to later invasions(Slavic etc) from the north but its still minimal and it was obviously the Indo-Europeans who defined their culture.Their language and culture(the part which matters)stem from the IE invaders not the true natives(Minoans).
According to Tamaz V. Gamkrelidze and legendary Russian linguist Vyacheslav Ivanov Hellenic evolved from Graeco-Aryan group somewhere from/near Western Anatolia (ancient Greek world). And the ancient Mycenaean DNA proves this!
PaleoEuropean
05-07-2019, 04:15 PM
I wrote European Hunter Gather, which yea Western, but they also mixed in the east too. Eastern Hunter Gatherers are a whole different story. For all intensive purposes European WGH are thee European Hunter gatherers.
I wrote European Hunter Gather, which yea Western, but they also mixed in the east too. Eastern Hunter Gatherers are a whole different story. For all intensive purposes European WGH are thee European Hunter gatherers.
EHG is commonly used for Eastern Hunter Gatherer,so it was confusing,otherwise I agree.
PaleoEuropean
05-08-2019, 04:08 AM
EHG is commonly used for Eastern Hunter Gatherer,so it was confusing,otherwise I agree.
Yea that was my bad, I just didn't wanna write it out, most people aren't going to know what I am talking about anyway but you seem fairly knowledgeable, you are correct.
Token
05-08-2019, 01:50 PM
Yea,except not.The IE invaders mixed in with the natives like everywhere but
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature23310.html
"However, the Mycenaeans differed from Minoans in deriving additional ancestry from an ultimate source related to the hunter–gatherers of eastern Europe and Siberia [6, 7, 8], introduced via a proximal source related to the inhabitants of either the Eurasian steppe [1, 6, 9] or Armenia [4, 9]"
Modern Greeks might be close to the mixed pop and even have some extra Steppe due to later invasions(Slavic etc) from the north but its still minimal and it was obviously the Indo-Europeans who defined their culture.Their language and culture(the part which matters)stem from the IE invaders not the true natives(Minoans).
Modern mainland Greeks can be modelled as ca 35% Steppe_MLBA/CWC and around 27% Yamnaya. Compared to ~45% Yamnaya in Russians, does this looks minimal and irrelevant to you?
Modern mainland Greeks can be modelled as ca 35% Steppe_MLBA/CWC and around 27% Yamnaya. Compared to ~45% Yamnaya in Russians, does this looks minimal and irrelevant to you?
Yes it does.
[1] "distance%=3.2619"
Roland_scaled
Yamnaya_Samara,61.8
Barcin_N,29.4
WHG,8.6
Natufian,0.2
Token
05-08-2019, 08:41 PM
Yes it does.
[1] "distance%=3.2619"
Roland_scaled
Yamnaya_Samara,61.8
Barcin_N,29.4
WHG,8.6
Natufian,0.2
Just add some CHG and ANE-rich reference and say bye to your Yamna.
Just add some CHG and ANE-rich reference and say bye to your Yamna.
Yeah,not really,they arent even used up except for Kura-Araxes.
[1] "distance%=2.9545"
Roland_scaled
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,58.4
Anatolia_Barcin_N,21.2
HUN_Tiszapolgar_ECA,8.8
HUN_Koros_N_HG,8.6
Kura-Araxes_RUS_Velikent,2.8
Levant_Natufian,0,2
Same thing run for a greek:
[1] "distance%=2.0221"
Greek1
Anatolia_Barcin_N,49
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,24.4
Kura-Araxes_RUS_Velikent,11.6
HUN_Tiszapolgar_ECA,9.4
Levant_Natufian,3.4
HUN_Koros_N_HG,2.2
arkas
05-09-2019, 08:53 AM
Hard to believe such a claim, I am not convinced by any evidence that they would've looked Nordic European, they were Caucasian for sure but I don't see any other proof for an argument beyond that.
Babak
05-09-2019, 04:58 PM
Ironically its the other way around,your language and culture comes from the Steppe IE invaders while you barely have any of their dna anymore.Must suck.
This happened everywhere around the world though. Its usually a group of people who migrate to a region that assimilates and mixes with the native population.
Coastal Elite
07-03-2019, 05:20 AM
https://youtu.be/VVRxY6M5afU
Survive the Jive is now claiming that people in the Balkans, like Serbs and Bosnians, have "20% percent input from that Slavic invasion" at about the 8 minute mark. Hmmm...sounds a little dubious to me.
Viçwamitra
07-11-2019, 03:55 PM
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Viçwamitra
07-11-2019, 03:58 PM
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Viçwamitra
07-11-2019, 04:03 PM
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Longbowman
07-11-2019, 04:09 PM
Idiot says something stupid, news at 11.
A good interview with StJ, mostly about genetics and history.
https://youtu.be/6LgSkJSsiS8
Ayetooey
07-11-2019, 04:38 PM
https://youtu.be/VVRxY6M5afU
Survive the Jive is now claiming that people in the Balkans, like Serbs and Bosnians, have "20% percent input from that Slavic invasion" at about the 8 minute mark. Hmmm...sounds a little dubious to me.
More like 60-75%. What a twit.
More like 60-75%. What a twit.
60% even in Bulgaria and North Macedonia?
Ayetooey
07-11-2019, 04:41 PM
60% even in Bulgaria and North Macedonia?
He specifically said Serbs and Bosnians in the video. Bulgarians/North Macedonians more like 40%.
Even if he said something incorrect or misinterpreted something doesn't mean he's entirely ignorant. The guy has actually a master's degree in history, I believe.
He specifically said Serbs and Bosnians in the video. Bulgarians/North Macedonians more like 40%.
I agree that 20% would be totally unrealistic. Your dad is roughly 50/50 Ukrainian/Mainland Greek. And those Greeks have some NE European too.
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