Survive The Jive Claims Aryans Were Purely Northern European When They Entered India

[JMack]

It seems to be a consensus on these forums that Aryans were mixed with BMAC types when they entered the Indian Subcontinent, but according to Survive the Jive Aryans were purely Andronovo when they entered India (understood here as whole South Asia, not only India as a country ofc) and that's the reason we still can find Euro-looking populations in India.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSVZB3zJ35I

So in this view we have the idea of Viking looking individuals running around the Ganges and creating the Vedic myths and songs. A beautiful image imo.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

Saw the video yesterday.
I think he is pushing it too far, I mean he admits that
The second migration of steppe people, which coincided with the decline of the Indus Valley Civilization, around 4,000 years ago, mixed with the Indus Periphery People to give rise to the ANI population.(in the video 25:00 to 26:50)
But many times he equates Corded Ware with Andrónovo and Sintashta‑Petrovka, for him they are all the same people.

[Smeagol]

I think that's unrealistic. And there are no Euro looking populations in India, only rare individuals.

[JMack]

Saw the video yesterday.
I think he is pushing it too far, I mean he admits that
The second migration of steppe people, which coincided with the decline of the Indus Valley Civilization, around 4,000 years ago, mixed with the Indus Periphery People to give rise to the ANI population.(25:00 26:50)
But many times he equates Corded Ware with Andrónovo and Sintashta‑Petrovka, for him they are all the same people.

I agree. The thing with Survive the Jive is that he isn't just someone interested in the subject and wants to discuss it, he's a kind of ''ideologue'' who wants to create some type of ''pan-Indo-European'' identity and since he's a pagan he also needs Hinduism or proto-Hinduism as a model for his reconstructionist pagan ideas.

He is an intelligent guy and far more interesting than most alt-righters out there, but it seems that he insists so much on the supposed ''sameness'' of all early steppe cultures and sometimes disregard notably differences to push for his indo-europeanist agenda. I remember even watching a video of him about ''Indo-European traditions of Sri Lankan Buddhists'' or something like that. If non-Tamil speaking Sri Lankans are Indo-Europeans, then even Mestizos and Triracials are ''Indo-Europeans'' as well. I mean the latter have probably more Steppe ancestry than most non-Northwest Indian/Paki/Afghan Indian groups.

[JMack]

I think that's unrealistic. And there are no Euro looking populations in India, only rare individuals.

By ''India'' he means all South Asia, including Kalash people, Nuristanis, Chitralis, Kashmiris etc. He isn't talking specifically about modern nation of India.

India for most of human history =/= modern country called India. Actually the term Hindustan started as designation only for modern NW India and Pakistan iirc.

[Blondie]

Indian sources described them pale skinned peoples with light features, of course they were assimilated by locals thousands of years ago. But interesting northern indians have lighter skin than southernes.

[Smeagol]

By ''India'' he means all South Asia, including Kalash people, Nuristanis, Chitralis, Kashmiris etc. He isn't talking specifically about modern nation of India.

India for most of human history =/= modern country called India. Actually the term Hindustan started as designation only for modern NW India and Pakistan iirc.

I know, but my impression from crowd photos is that even those people aren't usually European looking. Of course there are still a few with Nordic traits even if they aren't genetically pure or close to it.

[Ryuk]

I think they more looked like East European.

[JMack]

Indian sources described them pale skinned peoples with light features, of course they were assimilated by locals thousands of years ago. But interesting northern indians have lighter skin than southernes.

Again, when we say ''India'' in this context we mean all of South Asia, especially Northern South Asia. Survive the Jive isn't talking about modern Republic of India.

But you're right, very few populations who resemble the original Aryans exist in South Asia today. It's because they got mixed with Caucasus-like and Proto-Australoid populations who were living in India.You can find full Caucasoid looking individuals in most of India and Pakistan, but Northern Euro phenotypes only emerge as recombination due to recessiveness in some individuals from particular groups like Kalash, Nuristanis, Kashmiris, Nepali Brahmins etc.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

I agree. The thing with Survive the Jive is that he isn't just someone interested in the subject and wants to discuss it, he's a kind of ''ideologue'' who wants to create some type of ''pan-Indo-European'' identity and since he's a pagan he also needs Hinduism or proto-Hinduism as a model for his reconstructionist pagan ideas.

He is an intelligent guy and far more interesting than most alt-righters out there, but it seems that he insists so much on the supposed ''sameness'' of all early steppe cultures and sometimes disregard notably differences to push for his indo-europeanist agenda. I remember even watching a video of him about ''Indo-European traditions of Sri Lankan Buddhists'' or something like that. If non-Tamil speaking Sri Lankans are Indo-Europeans, then even Mestizos and Triracials are ''Indo-Europeans'' as well. I mean the latter have probably more Steppe ancestry than most non-Northwest Indian/Paki/Afghan Indian groups.

Most of his information comes from academics fonts (having himself a master in medieval history), which makes his channel much more interesting than the average esoteric storytellers out there.
But he obviously has a nordicist agenda, not only for India but also for micenic Greece.
And by nordicist I mean putting north western Europeans as creator of those civilizations, he point out the similarities of Andrónovo and Sintashta Petrovka in genetic with moder day Scandinavians, not with the people that’s lives between the Dniéper and Volga rivers.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Saw the video yesterday.
I think he is pushing it too far, I mean he admits that
The second migration of steppe people, which coincided with the decline of the Indus Valley Civilization, around 4,000 years ago, mixed with the Indus Periphery People to give rise to the ANI population.(in the video 25:00 to 26:50)
But many times he equates Corded Ware with Andrónovo and Sintashta‑Petrovka, for him they are all the same people.
Corded Ware and Andronovo/Sintashta are the same people.

Most of his information comes from academics fonts (having himself a master in medieval history), which makes his channel much more interesting than the average esoteric storytellers out there.
But he obviously has a nordicist agenda, not only for India but also for micenic Greece.
And by nordicist I mean putting north western Europeans as creator of those civilizations, he point out the similarities of Andrónovo and Sintashta Petrovka in genetic with moder day Scandinavians, not with the people that’s lives between the Dniéper and Volga rivers.
I don't think I've heard him push NW Euros as Andronovo/Sintashta, only northern Europeans overall. I think he knows eastern Europeans have a better claim to them.

OP: The most southernly pure Corded Ware-like DNA sample we have is from southern Uzbekistan, and Aryans didn't look like Vikings, they looked like Vasiliy Lomachenko.

[Leto]

Most of his information comes from academics fonts (having himself a master in medieval history), which makes his channel much more interesting than the average esoteric storytellers out there.
But he obviously has a nordicist agenda, not only for India but also for micenic Greece.
And by nordicist I mean putting north western Europeans as creator of those civilizations, he point out the similarities of Andrónovo and Sintashta Petrovka in genetic with moder day Scandinavians, not with the people that’s lives between the Dniéper and Volga rivers.
Not really, he had a video about Sardinia and its Neolithic heritage. But he, being an English guy, is more specifically interested in Northern Europe, why should that be reproachful? By the way, I don't share most of his views (I'm strongly Christian, specifically Orthodox) but still enjoy many of his videos and find him nice and likeable as a guy and individual.

[JMack]

Most of his information comes from academics fonts (having himself a master in medieval history), which makes his channel much more interesting than the average esoteric storytellers out there.
But he obviously has a nordicist agenda, not only for India but also for micenic Greece.
And by nordicist I mean putting north western Europeans as creator of those civilizations, he point out the similarities of Andrónovo and Sintashta Petrovka in genetic with moder day Scandinavians, not with the people that’s lives between the Dniéper and Volga rivers.

Yeah, his theories about Greece and Rome are flawed because we already have early Greek and Mycenaean DNA and they were closer to modern Cretan Greeks/Sicilians/Calabrians. It seems even ''Indo-Europeans'' from Balkans barely had a lot of steppe before Slavic incursions.

The only thing I agree with him regarding these things is that Andronovo/Sintashata were probably like modern Scandinavians. I've runned a lot of Andronovo kits recently and they all came out closer to Swedes/Norwegians.

[Leto]

The only thing I agree with him regarding these things is that Andronovo/Sintashata were probably like modern Scandinavians. I've runned a lot of Andronovo kits recently and they all came out closer to Swedes/Norwegians.
The Sintashta from modern Chelyabinsk oblast, Russia and Northern Kazakhstan are said to have been the proto-Indo-Aryans who invented the chariot and domesticated the horse.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

Corded Ware and Andronovo/Sintashta are the same people.

I don't think I've heard him push NW Euros as Andronovo/Sintashta, only northern Europeans overall. I think he knows eastern Europeans have a better claim to them.

OP: The most southernly pure Corded Ware-like DNA sample we have is from southern Uzbekistan, and Aryans didn't look like Vikings, they looked like Vasiliy Lomachenko.
There were a reflux from europe to the steppes, and Corded Ware had some influence in Andronovo/Sintashta, but that doesn't mean that the people from Andronovo/Sintashta were exclusively decendants of from Corded Ware settlers, they had other populations living in the in the same area.

[Pansarkamrat]

It could have been some who was blond and blue eyed but i think that the majority had dark eyes, dark hair and fair or lightbrown skin.

[XenophobicPrussian]

It could have been some who was blond and blue eyed but i think that the majority had dark eyes, dark hair and fair or lightbrown skin.
No, they had a 50/50 pigmentation similar to around southern Ukrainians. You're thinking of Yamnaya, who were pretty irrelevant to the ethnogenesis of Indo-Europeans, just one of many later Indo-European groups. The Corded Ware-like genome was already around before Yamnaya, i.e Ukraine_Eneolithic, Varna outlier, etc..

The people who claim they were overwhelmingly light or Scandinavian pigmented are wrong too.

[Pansarkamrat]

Light eyes and hair among some of the population dont mean that the aryans who entered india was light eyed and had light hair. Some aboriginal has light eyes and hair but that dosent mean that they have aryan admixture. I think that the aryans who invaded india had the mutation for light eyes and hair.

[Pansarkamrat]

No, they had a 50/50 pigmentation similar to around southern Ukrainians. You're thinking of Yamnaya, who were pretty irrelevant to the ethnogenesis of Indo-Europeans, just one of many later Indo-European groups. The Corded Ware-like genome was already around before Yamnaya, i.e Ukraine_Eneolithic, Varna outlier, etc..

The people who claim they were overwhelmingly light or Scandinavian pigmented are wrong too.

Ah ok thanks i dont know that much about the indo europan phenotypes it was just an opinion.

[JQP4545]

There is supposed to be a paper coming out this year by Indian researchers claiming that R1a originated in India. It was discussed on another thread on theapricity and the researchers say that the center of diversity of R1a is India and that it must have spread northwards into the steppe.

[Ayetooey]

Survive the Jibe is a cope, and a traitor to I1. The "Ayrans" came from India and spread R1a.

[Ayetooey]

There is supposed to be a paper coming out this year by Indian researchers claiming that R1a originated in India. It was discussed on another thread on theapricity and the researchers say that the center of diversity of R1a is India and that it must have spread northwards into the steppe.

Yes. I eagerly await this paper.

[Peterski]

Yes, IIRC this is what the 2018 pre-print said. That Steppe invaders who mixed with BMAC stayed in BMAC, while another group invaded India directly from Steppe MLBA.

In other words, some Steppe groups also mixed with BMAC, but they were not Indo-Aryans.

Indo-Aryans were genetically pure Steppe MLBA when they entered Indus Valley Periphery.


the researchers say that the center of diversity of R1a is India and that it must have spread northwards into the steppe.

Modern diversity is worth nothing when confronted with ancient DNA evidence. Nearly all theories based on modern diversity and modern frequencies turned out to be wrong. This includes the old theory that R1b was Upper Paleolithic Western European marker.

[Leto]

Arhat is the most Aryan guy I've seen. He's 1/4 Afghan and 3/4 Russian from Southern Russia and Ukraine.

[JMack]

Indo-Aryans were genetically pure Steppe MLBA when they entered Indus Valley Periphery.

Yeah, and it seems they fought with a population of Iranian agriculturalists + South Asian Hunther Gatherer type. I checked the paper right now.

[Lucas]

Arhat is the most Aryan guy I've seen. He's 1/4 Afghan and 3/4 Russian from Southern Russia and Ukraine.

photo?

[Leto]

photo?
He has shared his photos with me but I won't share them with anyone else because he showed them to me privately.

[JQP4545]

Yeah, and it seems they fought with a population of Iranian agriculturalists + South Asian Hunther Gatherer type. I checked the paper right now.

I think the steppe populations that mixed with groups that had Iranian-like DNA produced the fiercest warriors (Greeks, Romans, Afghans, Punjab). Physically, Caucasus related people tend to be very strong and produce a disproportionate amount of the world's wrestlers and MMA fighters. So why you mix their bodies with the Aryans warrior culture you get the toughest people in the world.

[JQP4545]

No, they had a 50/50 pigmentation similar to around southern Ukrainians. You're thinking of Yamnaya, who were pretty irrelevant to the ethnogenesis of Indo-Europeans, just one of many later Indo-European groups. The Corded Ware-like genome was already around before Yamnaya, i.e Ukraine_Eneolithic, Varna outlier, etc..

The people who claim they were overwhelmingly light or Scandinavian pigmented are wrong too.

I think the Indo-Europeans had lots of red heads. A mummy from the Tarim Basin (https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristinakillgrove/2015/07/18/these-red-haired-chinese-mummies-come-from-all-over-eurasia-dna-reveals/#2fdd966f3e2c) had red hair, the Thracian kings were depicted as having red hair, the Irish and Scots have lots of red hair (and also the highest levels of Gedrosia in Europe on the Dodecad k12b), and Alexander the Great was a red head. A lot of people associate curly hair in Mediterranean people with their Middle Eastern DNA, but a lot of red heads have course, curly hair too as you find in all the Greek and Roman statues. Another hot spot for red hair is in south central Russia as well.

[Lucas]

He has shared his photos with me but I won't share them with anyone else because he showed them to me privately.

Describe him:) Longheaded, long-faced, blonde beast?

[Leto]

Describe him:) Longheaded, long-faced, blonde beast?
Yes, he has an elongated face, green or gray eyes and light-brown hair. Pigmentation-wise he's fully Russian but phenotypically there is a clear Irano-Afghan influence. His wife is a pretty Russian girl and I'm blessing their marriage. The remaining portion of his already small South Asian admixture will be washed away further but the Andronovo Y-DNA will persist :cool:

He's kinda like this:
https://c8.alamy.com/compde/b374nk/afghanischer-mann-am-tadschikistan-afghanistan-grenzubergang-markt-in-der-nahe-von-ishkashim-b374nk.jpg

[sailormoon]

https://i.postimg.cc/J42G90kR/fig4.png

The Andronovo culture is the likely source of the Steppe ancestry of Ancestral North Indians (ANI). The Andronovo people spoke an Indo-Aryan type language and their territory expanded to the Altai, where the Andronovo people likely picked up some Asian ancestry components such as hg C before migrating to North India, starting around 2,000 BCE. One individual from the Andronovo culture belonged to Y-DNA haplogroup C, while two other samples tested by Keyser et al. (2009) were assigned to haplogroup R1a1a. Haplogroup R1a-Z93 common in South Asia today was of high frequency in Steppe_MLBA (68%). Indian ethnic groups of traditionally priestly status in northern India are enriched with Steppe ancestry that is not found in the southern Indian groups, as Brahmins are among the traditional custodians of texts written in early Sanskrit (Narasimhan et al. 2018).



Over at bioRxiv at this LINK. Note that the Andronovo samples that are shown to be the best fit for the steppe ancestry in South Asians are labeled Steppe_MLBA_East (ie. Middle to Late Bronze Age eastern steppe). Below is the abstract and a couple of key quotes from the paper and its supp info PDF.

The genetic formation of Central and South Asian populations has been unclear because of an absence of ancient DNA. To address this gap, we generated genome-wide data from 362 ancient individuals, including the first from eastern Iran, Turan (Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and Tajikistan), Bronze Age Kazakhstan, and South Asia. Our data reveal a complex set of genetic sources that ultimately combined to form the ancestry of South Asians today. We document a southward spread of genetic ancestry from the Eurasian Steppe, correlating with the archaeologically known expansion of pastoralist sites from the Steppe to Turan in the Middle Bronze Age (2300-1500 BCE). These Steppe communities mixed genetically with peoples of the Bactria Margiana Archaeological Complex (BMAC) whom they encountered in Turan (primarily descendants of earlier agriculturalists of Iran), but there is no evidence that the main BMAC population contributed genetically to later South Asians. Instead, Steppe communities integrated farther south throughout the 2nd millennium BCE, and we show that they mixed with a more southern population that we document at multiple sites as outlier individuals exhibiting a distinctive mixture of ancestry related to Iranian agriculturalists and South Asian hunter-gathers. We call this group Indus Periphery because they were found at sites in cultural contact with the Indus Valley Civilization (IVC) and along its northern fringe, and also because they were genetically similar to post-IVC groups in the Swat Valley of Pakistan. By co-analyzing ancient DNA and genomic data from diverse present-day South Asians, we show that Indus Periphery-related people are the single most important source of ancestry in South Asia — consistent with the idea that the Indus Periphery individuals are providing us with the first direct look at the ancestry of peoples of the IVC — and we develop a model for the formation of present-day South Asians in terms of the temporally and geographically proximate sources of Indus Periphery-related, Steppe, and local South Asian hunter-gatherer-related ancestry. Our results show how ancestry from the Steppe genetically linked Europe and South Asia in the Bronze Age, and identifies the populations that almost certainly were responsible for spreading Indo-European languages across much of Eurasia.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/03/andronovo-pastoralists-brought-steppe.html

[Pigling]

Aryans were Corded Nordid and Baltid type.

[TeutonicBoyars]

Don't feel like watching this video because the way the guy conducts himself is pretty cringe. But I'd like to know what he's trying to say. Is he actually saying the Aryans that entered India were actually from Northern Europe (I'm assuming this would mean Scandinavia in this case) or that they just had Northern European features? The latter I could believe in some cases but the former just seems beyond larpy and is literal Black Egypt tier.

[Token]

His knowledge of genetics is very superficial, and LOL at this thumbnail. "Kalash people have on average fifty percent Yamnaya ancestry", not even close, he got these numbers from the outdated Lazaridis table where the steppe score of Indians and specially the Kalasha is heavily inflated by WSHG admixture (it was made before the 2018 Dali samples). North Indians have around 20% steppe and the Kalasha not more than 28%.

[FinalFlash]

His knowledge of genetics is very superficial, and LOL at this thumbnail. "Kalash people have on average fifty percent Yamnaya ancestry", not even close, he got these numbers from the outdated Lazaridis table where the steppe score of Indians and specially the Kalasha is heavily inflated by WSHG admixture (it was made before the 2018 Dali samples). North Indians have around 20% steppe and the Kalasha not more than 28%.

That's still a significant amount though. Almost 1/3 steppe for the Kalash that is.

[Token]

Indo-Aryans were genetically pure Steppe MLBA when they entered Indus Valley Periphery.

Of course they weren't.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

Don't feel like watching this video because the way the guy conducts himself is pretty cringe. But I'd like to know what he's trying to say. Is he actually saying the Aryans that entered India were actually from Northern Europe (I'm assuming this would mean Scandinavia in this case) or that they just had Northern European features? The latter I could believe in some cases but the former just seems beyond larpy and is literal Black Egypt tier.

He said that Aryans came to India from central Asia, and in their expansion they merely mixed with other populations, so they were essentially the same people that produce the corded ware cultural complex in the Baltic area.

[Imperator Biff]

There is no evidence of geneflow from BMAC to India at all whatsoever. In fact it’s more likely the geneflow came from the opposite direction from late harappan populations as IVC collapsed.
The Andronovo herders bypassed BMAC and interacted with late harappan groups of cemetery H horizon and the swat valley, of which there are samples with steppe dna.
Also R1a is not from fucking India lmao. Microsatellite y-str diversity can be very misleading when it comes to determining a haplogroup’s origin, of which snp diversity is a much better indicator.

[Borealis]

There is no evidence of geneflow from BMAC to India at all whatsoever. In fact it’s more likely the geneflow came from the opposite direction from late harappan populations as IVC collapsed.
The Andronovo herders bypassed BMAC and interacted with late harappan groups of cemetery H horizon from the swat valley, of which there are samples with steppe dna.
Also R1a is not from fucking India lmao. Microsatellite y-str diversity can be very misleading when it comes to determining a haplogroup’s origin, of which snp diversity is a much better indicator.

Uh, yes there is. Modern northwestern south asians are both more steppe shifted and iranian neolithic shifted than the indus valley people were.

[Borealis]

I think what this guy was actually saying was that BMAC itself did not contribute directly to Indians. But there is a possibility(high in fact) that Aryans mixed with them before on toward India.

[lameduck]

All the pictures he is showing to prove Europeanness of Indians are of Pakistanis lol

[FinalFlash]

I think what this guy was actually saying was that BMAC itself did not contribute directly to Indians. But there is a possibility(high in fact) that Aryans mixed with them before on toward India.

So were these mystical Steppe people already heavily South Asian influenced before stepping into India territory?

[NPKTO]

So were these mystical Steppe people already heavily South Asian influenced before stepping into India territory?
If you mean modern day India, then yes. But if you mean South Asian region, they probably came in several waves. They probably had some BMAC admixture, which was very similar to Iranian Neolithic & CHG, before they entered South Asia.

[Borealis]

So were these mystical Steppe people already heavily South Asian influenced before stepping into India territory?

What NPKTO said. Prior to entering South Asia, they had a form of archaic west Asian mixture. Prior to entering what is now India, they were already partially South Asian mixed.

[JMack]

All the pictures he is showing to prove Europeanness of Indians are of Pakistanis lol

Because you guys are Indians in denial, duh. What he calls ''India'' in the video is actually what is called ''South Asia'' in the anthrofora. I'd even say Pakistanis have a better claim to ancient Indo-Aryan cultures than most Indian groups (apart from Northwestern Indians and Caucasoid Nepalis, who are basically like Pakis).

The big difference is that the ones throughout India resisted against Muslim barbarism and maintained their old cultures while you guys bowed down to Arabs and desert degeneration.

Another interesting finds of the recent DNA studies is the fact that the Proto-Dravidians were also invaders from the Near East and that Dravidian and Indo-Aryan languages may have expanded at the same time or in a similar clade of complexity in regions down south of what is now India. Probably the early Dravidians got pushed south due to Indo-Aryan expansion in the Indus Periphery.

And just read the 2018 paper on South Asian genetics, the Aryans had no BMAC admixture at all.

[lameduck]

Because you guys are Indians in denial, duh. What he calls ''India'' in the video is actually what is called ''South Asia'' in the anthrofora. I'd even say Pakistanis have a better claim to ancient Indo-Aryan cultures than most Indian groups (apart from Northwestern Indians and Cuacasoid Nepalis, who are basically like Pakis).

The big difference is that the ones throughout India resisted against Muslim barbarism and maintained their old cultures while you guys bowed down to Arabs and desert degeneration.

Another interesting finds of the recent DNA studies is the fact that the Proto-Dravidians were also invaders from the Near East and that Dravidian and Indo-Aryan languages may have expanded at the same time or in a similar clade of complexity in regions down south of what is now India. Probably the early Dravidians got pushed south due to Indo-Aryan expansion in the Indus Periphery.

And just read the 2018 paper on South Asian genetics, the Aryans had no BMAC admixture at all.

i got your point , but posting pictures of Pakistani pashtuns and chitralis to prove that some Indians look european doesnt makes sense.

[JMack]

i got your point , but posting pictures of Pakistani pashtuns and chitralis to prove that some Indians look european doesnt makes sense.

Of course it does if he's using ''Indian'' to talk about whole South Asia. Indian as synonym for modern Republic of India is recent, all South Asians were ''Indians'' less than one century ago. Anyway, his examples are obviously cherrypicked and he could have done the same with Kashmiris or Brahmins or any other group living in modern Republic of India, it doesn't matter.

[JMack]

double post

[lameduck]

Of course it does if he's using ''Indian'' to talk about whole South Asia. Indian as synonym for modern Republic of India is recent, all South Asians were ''Indians'' less than one century ago. Anyway, his examples are obviously cherrypicked and he could have done the same with Kashmiris or Brahmins or any other group living in modern Republic of India, it doesn't matter.

okay man.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Because you guys are Indians in denial, duh. What he calls ''India'' in the video is actually what is called ''South Asia'' in the anthrofora. I'd even say Pakistanis have a better claim to ancient Indo-Aryan cultures than most Indian groups (apart from Northwestern Indians and Caucasoid Nepalis, who are basically like Pakis).

The big difference is that the ones throughout India resisted against Muslim barbarism and maintained their old cultures while you guys bowed down to Arabs and desert degeneration.

Another interesting finds of the recent DNA studies is the fact that the Proto-Dravidians were also invaders from the Near East and that Dravidian and Indo-Aryan languages may have expanded at the same time or in a similar clade of complexity in regions down south of what is now India. Probably the early Dravidians got pushed south due to Indo-Aryan expansion in the Indus Periphery.

And just read the 2018 paper on South Asian genetics, the Aryans had no BMAC admixture at all.
Same time? If Proto-Dravidian was an Iranian farmer language rather than AASI/Onge HG language, it probably got there by the time of Indus Valley, if not with the spread of agriculture to India.

[JMack]

Same time? If Proto-Dravidian was an Iranian farmer language rather than AASI/Onge HG language, it probably got there by the time of Indus Valley, if not with the spread of agriculture to India.

I'm talking about the regions down south, not about Indus Valley. Indus Valley region was probably the core of Dravidian languages in South Asia before Indo-Aryan expansion.

Even today there are still Dravidian speaker groups in Pakistan, not surprisingly in regions near the sites of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro. It's very likely that natives of South India were still overwhemingly Veddoid at the time of Indo-Aryan expansion, Dravidians likely started to migrate to South India after the Indo-European expansion in Northwestern regions.

[XenophobicPrussian]

I'm talking about the regions down south, not about Indus Valley. Indus Valley region was probably the core of Dravidian languages in South Asia before Indo-Aryan expansion.

Even today there are still Dravidian speaker groups in Pakistan, not surprisingly in regions near the sites of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro. It's very likely that natives of South India were still overwhemingly Veddoid at the time of Indo-Aryan expansion, Dravidians likely started to migrate to South India after the Indo-European expansion in Northwestern regions.
Oh, I thought you were talking about Dravidian languages in India alltogether. Is there really any evidence in the recent papers that they started to migrate down there only after or around the Indo-European expansions? There were no South Asian genomes. Also, there's a population in south India with neolithic Iran but no steppe(Paniya), which indicates a much earlier migration.

[Kamal900]

I know, but my impression from crowd photos is that even those people aren't usually European looking. Of course there are still a few with Nordic traits even if they aren't genetically pure or close to it.

I think it's mainly due on the fact that the ancient Aryan migrations were small which is why there isn't any South Asians who look remotely European.

[lameduck]

I think it's mainly due on the fact that the ancient Aryan migrations were small which is why there isn't any South Asians who look remotely European.


I know, but my impression from crowd photos is that even those people aren't usually European looking. Of course there are still a few with Nordic traits even if they aren't genetically pure or close to it.

Yeah from what I have seen , crowds even in far northern Pakistan look pred Non European , but feature wise those people can look very progressive

Two Spectators from Chitral VS Gilgit Polo match

https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5502/10744654043_074a644c0f_b.jpg

[JMack]

Oh, I thought you were talking about Dravidian languages in India alltogether. Is there really any evidence in the recent papers that they started to migrate down there only after or around the Indo-European expansions? There were no South Asian genomes. Also, there's a population in south India with neolithic Iran but no steppe(Paniya), which indicates a much earlier migration.

Yeah, there's some evidence, but the whole picture is not clear yet. Look:


A few people have been pointing me to a new paper, A Bayesian phylogenetic study of the Dravidian language family, which implies that the Dravidian language family diversified ~4,500 years ago. I don’t have much to say about the paper itself since it aligns with my own conclusions, but it’s well outside of any field that I can judge (though it does use standard phylogenetic packages I’ve used).


Finally, the recent diversification of the Dravidian languages supports the model that their current distribution is not primordial. Rather, they probably expanded relatively recently from the northwest of the subcontinent. Probably earlier than the Indo-Aryan expansion into the Gangetic plain, but not that much earlier.

Additionally, because the Dravidians were not primordial, but expanding only somewhat ahead of Indo-Aryans, they were part of an interactive social-cultural sphere with the Indo-Aryans. I think the very high frequency of R1a1a-Z93 in some non-Brahmin South Indian groups, even tribal ones, suggests to me that the expansiveness of some paternal Indo-Aryan kin networks across the whole subcontinent.

https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018/03/22/the-peopling-of-the-indian-subcontinent-at-the-dawn-of-knowing/

It seems the Dravidians were obviously there before Indo-Aryans, but not by a lot and they could have expanded to some areas in a related social dynamics. The native languages of India probably weren't Dravidian and weren't Austro-Asiatic either since there's evidence Munda peoples and other similar Austro-Asiatic populations were reaching Southeast India at the same time Aryans and Dravidians were entering through the northwest corridor.


I think it's mainly due on the fact that the ancient Aryan migrations were small which is why there isn't any South Asians who look remotely European.

Not really that true, upper caste Indians and some Paki groups do have a substantial amount of steppe-related ancestry.

[Pandit]

Corded Ware and Andronovo/Sintashta are the same people.

I don't think I've heard him push NW Euros as Andronovo/Sintashta, only northern Europeans overall. I think he knows eastern Europeans have a better claim to them.

OP: The most southernly pure Corded Ware-like DNA sample we have is from southern Uzbekistan, and Aryans didn't look like Vikings, they looked like Vasiliy Lomachenko.

lol nope.

[Pandit]

as far as i know groups like Brahmins acknowledges that they share some genetics and culture with Eastern Slaves, Iranians and languages are similar as well, Including me.

what i dont understand is why this brit who lives in England, hundreds or thousands of kms away from both India and Central Asia is jumping around doing cartwheels as if he have anything to do with us. Western Europeans are descendants of Middle Eastern Farmers and Native European hunter gatherers.

at least Dravidian were civilized and gave us tough fight, his ancestors were running around naked sniffing each-others butts, we would have decimated Europe if we invaded Europe instead of Southern Asia.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Western Europeans are descendants of Middle Eastern Farmers and Native European hunter gatherers.

Lmao. Western Europeans have far more steppe ancestry than any Indian group, like double more. Stop larping dude. And you still failed to show us your DNA test.

[Pandit]

Lmao. Western Europeans have far more steppe ancestry than any Indian group, like double more. Stop larping dude. And you still failed to show us your DNA test.

good for you, we dont give a damn about steppe ancestry. for us our lineages starts from Real-Aryan saints who lived in either South Central Asia or in Modern day East Afghanistan and Punjab region.

LARPing is famous trait among Western euros as you can see in op, since they have no history of civilization of their own ancestors they claim others civilization like African blacks, we call this make others your own fathers in Hindi.

i am a Brahmin from my fathers side, i wear sacred thread like my ancestors and do religious ceremonies worshiping our Gods,I have no importance to French or Russian side of my Family/Ancestry.

i haven't taken any DNA test.

[Oghuz]

Judging from long faced Nord Indid, Indo Nordic and convex nosed Indo Armenoid phenotypes of eastern Pakistan, North India and among upper castes of India. I would assume the IE/Aryans that invaded South Asia to be Iranid/pontid or Irano Nordoid looking rather than European. Steppe BMAC mixtures will be more Irano Afghan looking rather than Nordic or Atlantid types of Europe.

[Pandit]

Judging from long faced Nord Indid, Indo Nordic and convex nosed Indo Armenoid phenotypes of eastern Pakistan, North India and among upper castes of India. I would assume the IE/Aryans that invaded South Asia to be Iranid/pontid or Irano Nordoid looking rather than European. Steppe BMAC mixtures will be more Irano Afghan looking rather than Nordic or Atlantid types of Europe.

i disagree,

this is how average Brahmins from North India looks.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/RuchirSharma.jpg/220px-RuchirSharma.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/bUdfFo/promotion_exclusive_interview_hindustan_hindustan_ upcoming_bollywood_b1bba03e_1600_11e7_85c6_0f0e633 c038c.jpg

i dont see any Iranid among Brahmins, Vedics and Iranics have different ancestors.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

i haven't taken any DNA test.

How do you know you are R1a than ?

[Pandit]

How do you know you are R1a than ?

I am a brahmin, we are trikaal gyani

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I am a brahmin, we are trikaal gyani

Not all Brahmins are R1a man, it's just most common marker among them.

[Oghuz]

Not all Brahmins are R1a man, it's just most common marker among them.

Agreed. Also the closest to the purest form of Aryans in modern world are current BMAC population of Pamiri Tajik persians who show 45 % R1a.

Descendants of steppe+BMAC Aryans are indeed Pamiri Tajiks and whoever lives in that region and have no Turkic admixture.

https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/fashion/daily/2016/01/13/13-pamiri.w536.h536.2x.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/94/e5/ed/94e5ed9f2b53b509659a73bbaf5781c5.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/TJKPamiri_man.jpg/270px-TJKPamiri_man.jpg
http://www.pamirs.org/images/hats/images/mavzuna%20in%20pamiri%20dress.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUVF5xjjJ23qu-Chi_N6t53D3ufOIf3cnXl1cPu5NDY1K8hKx2
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTu8zwXPO9HYxyBASbeDGxONeQ2Om1XU le9kTODLj2zEjB4oUCfjA
https://pastmist.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/blondtajikboy.jpg
http://i57.tinypic.com/33u8kqs.jpg

[Leto]

Agreed. Also the closest to the purest form of Aryans in modern world are current BMAC population of Pamiri Tajik persians who show 45 % R1a.

Descendants of steppe+BMAC Aryans are indeed Pamiri Tajiks and whoever lives in that region and have no Turkic admixture.

Yep, although the Turkics of Central Asia also have a lot of Steppe. See my threads about Uzbek and Kazakh GEDmatch results, Kaspias' thread about a Turkmen and also the member Yaglakar who is an Uyghur. All those examples have no less Steppe than an average Pashtun in Afghanistan.

[Blondie]

i disagree, this is how average Brahmins from North India looks.

I wrote the "brahmins" word in the google, the first pics:

https://www.thoughtco.com/thmb/u_M4CUsx4HjfgsaKjowRpcJmB1Y=/768x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/BrahminPriestChristopherPillitzImageBank-57a9ca773df78cf459fdaa58.jpg

https://www.theweek.in/content/dam/week/magazine/the-week/statescan/2016/september/image/20GyanDas.jpg

http://www.cinejosh.com/newsimg/newsmainimg/brahmins-proud-of-dj_b_2506170420.jpg

http://sea-indianisation-museum.weebly.com/uploads/1/7/5/6/17562597/390040844.jpg?279

https://postcard.news/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/brhamin-bash-780x405.jpg

https://akm-img-a-in.tosshub.com/indiatoday/images/story/201510/raghaveshwara-bharathi-story_647__102415020358.jpg

They aren't light skinned and absolutely not europeans looking.

[Dick]

what about the Kalash minority? weren't they all tested R1a

[Viçwamitra]

I wrote the "brahmins" word in the google, the first pics:

https://www.thoughtco.com/thmb/u_M4CUsx4HjfgsaKjowRpcJmB1Y=/768x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/BrahminPriestChristopherPillitzImageBank-57a9ca773df78cf459fdaa58.jpg

https://www.theweek.in/content/dam/week/magazine/the-week/statescan/2016/september/image/20GyanDas.jpg

http://www.cinejosh.com/newsimg/newsmainimg/brahmins-proud-of-dj_b_2506170420.jpg

http://sea-indianisation-museum.weebly.com/uploads/1/7/5/6/17562597/390040844.jpg?279

https://postcard.news/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/brhamin-bash-780x405.jpg

https://akm-img-a-in.tosshub.com/indiatoday/images/story/201510/raghaveshwara-bharathi-story_647__102415020358.jpg

They aren't light skinned and absolutely not europeans looking.

Stereotypical pics from Bollywood and Anti Brahmin liberals and Native rivival cults of India.

A guy above me posted 2 picture of avg Brahmins but I guess due to extreme case of butthurt you decided to post dark brahmins to trigger him.

Anyway we don't look European and we have no relationship with Europeans, we mostlikely shared common ancestors few thousandyears ago.

[Token]

Stereotypical pics from Bollywood and Anti Brahmin liberals and Native rivival cults of India.

A guy above me posted 2 picture of avg Brahmins but I guess due to extreme case of butthurt you decided to post dark brahmins to trigger him.

Anyway we don't look European and we have no relationship with Europeans, we mostlikely shared common ancestors few thousandyears ago.

You do. You speak a European language, pray to European gods and have ~20% European admixture. Deal with it.

[Borealis]

No they aren’t. I actually have one of those guys on my gedmatch relatives list.

what about the Kalash minority? weren't they all tested R1a

[Viçwamitra]

You do. You speak a European language, pray to European gods and have ~20% European admixture. Deal with it.

I speak a brahmin iCal language, I pray to vedic brahmin gods and I share 20% of my blood with Europeans as we both got it from central real Asia.

You do your german thing and don't try to teach me about my own history.

You are not even pure german, you are a Latino larper lol, first deal with your inferiority OWD complex before telling others what to do como estas.

[Blondie]

A guy above me posted 2 picture of avg Brahmins but I guess due to extreme case of butthurt you decided to post dark brahmins to trigger him.

Are you blind? As i said i posted the first 6 pic :D

[Viçwamitra]

Are you blind? As i said i posted the first 6 pic :D

are you ? That wog posted 2 pic of avg brahmin male and female before that.

[Blondie]

are you ? That wog posted 2 pic of avg brahmin male and female before that.

But they are not average, just 2 cherrypicked light skinned people. I posted many group pics, they are full brown skinned.

[Viçwamitra]

But they are not average, just 2 cherrypicked light skinned people. I posted many group pics, they are full brown skinned.

Those are avg brahmins from Most of North India, they are just avg people. One is finance guy and another one is tier 3 Actress. Sharmaa dominate bollywood due to their brahmin features.

My own family looks majority like those 2.

[Blondie]

Those are avg brahmins from Most of North India, they are just avg people.

No average north indians don't look south european. I posted group pics not cherrypicked ones, other group pics of brahmins:

https://static.toiimg.com/thumb/imgsize-53401,msid-57380899,width-400,resizemode-4/57380899.jpg

https://www.thebetterindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/TB.jpg

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BAKECB/india-tamil-nadu-state-chidambaram-procession-of-brahmins-BAKECB.jpg

https://d1u4oo4rb13yy8.cloudfront.net/article/40440-upmxnlyrwl-1472590556.jpg

https://brahminsexposed.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/brahmins.jpg?w=640&h=504

https://us.123rf.com/450wm/nilanewsom/nilanewsom1707/nilanewsom170700086/82711818-nanjangud-india-feb-13th-2008-a-group-of-brahmin-priests-outside-the-temple-of-nanjangud-south-india.jpg?ver=6

https://tamilandvedas.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/brahmins-fb-1.jpg?w=600

[Viçwamitra]

No average north indians don't look south european. I posted group pics not cherrypicked ones, other group pics of brahmins:

https://static.toiimg.com/thumb/imgsize-53401,msid-57380899,width-400,resizemode-4/57380899.jpg

https://www.thebetterindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/TB.jpg

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BAKECB/india-tamil-nadu-state-chidambaram-procession-of-brahmins-BAKECB.jpg

https://d1u4oo4rb13yy8.cloudfront.net/article/40440-upmxnlyrwl-1472590556.jpg

https://brahminsexposed.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/brahmins.jpg?w=640&h=504

https://us.123rf.com/450wm/nilanewsom/nilanewsom1707/nilanewsom170700086/82711818-nanjangud-india-feb-13th-2008-a-group-of-brahmin-priests-outside-the-temple-of-nanjangud-south-india.jpg?ver=6

https://tamilandvedas.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/brahmins-fb-1.jpg?w=600

Guys with U mark and == stripes are south Indian brahmins, they are assimilated brahmins. I can tell if brahmin is north or south Indian by just looking at his attire.

That politician is a yadav, a sudra caste.

And we brahmins do t look southern. Euros, neither do those 2 pics.

North and southern Europeans look similar so they can pass as natives in each other's lands, we are central asian and South Asian so we neither look or can pass in Europe.

[Blondie]

Guys with U mark and == stripes are south Indian brahmins, they are assimilated brahmins.

And we brahmins do t look southern. Euros, neither do those 2 pics.

North and southern Europeans look similar so they can pass as natives in each other's lands, we are central asian and South Asian so we neither look or can pass in Europe.

Why don't you post group pics?

[Viçwamitra]

Why don't you post group pics?

I will, mostlikely in next few days. Unlike these bollywood hoes we brahmins don't put pictureof our women or Children online without proper clothing or permission from family elder.

If my father and uncle allowes me I will post pictures of my family as well

[Token]

I speak a brahmin iCal language, I pray to vedic brahmin gods and I share 20% of my blood with Europeans as we both got it from central real Asia.

You do your german thing and don't try to teach me about my own history.

You are not even pure german, you are a Latino larper lol, first deal with your inferiority OWD complex before telling others what to do como estas.
Learn basic geography, PIE was restricted to the Eastern European steppe and Proto-Aryans (most scientists agree on Andronovo as the Aryan homeland) represents an eastern expansion of the Central European Corded Ware culture via Abashevo, and guess what, these 'Central Asians' were genetically very similar, some of them nearly indistinguishable from modern-day Northern Europeans.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zN03Oc2iKt0/WvAFmFCvzBI/AAAAAAAAGtQ/kI9cN7DTHYISXTvjPXZSxqW4__pUFULNQCLcBGAs/s1600/Sintashta_PCA.png
Central European Corded Ware -> Abashevo -> Sintashta -> Andronovo -> Harappan destruction and consequent mixing with natives -> Brahmin mongrels, i reckon even idiots like you can understand this timeline. Vedic gods such as Indra, Agni, Dyaus, Shiva, Devas and Asuras concept - great part of your religion has cognates in native European religion and, therefore, must have originated in Europe.

[Óttar]

Nordic? They were clearly a Persianate/Iranic people. There were successive waves of them (the consensus has been updated to 'Aryan' migrations, not a single invasion) and indigenous Indians were assimilated into their social structure.

[MS85]

Nordic? They were clearly a Persianate/Iranic people. There were successive waves of them (the consensus has been updated to 'Aryan' migrations, not a single invasion) and indigenous Indians were assimilated into their social structure.Yes, the last time it happened was with the Eastern Scythian type of people from Central Asia who migrated into northern India. Those Scythians could have fair features because they were mixed people. Scythians were a mixture of Aryan/Iranians, Yamnaya or Andronovo and Siberian/Mongoloid people.

Scythian/Saka invasion was the last invasion of India.

The real Aryans came from Kurdistan/Western Iran and migrated into the BMAC. From there they linguistically ad culturally influenced the Central Asian steppes and used Aryanised/Iranised people from the Steppes as foot soldier in their conquest of India.

Aryans have ergativity construction in their language. Ergativity is nor native to Europe and neither to Central Asia.

[Token]

Yes, the last time it happened was with the Eastern Scythian type of people from Central Asia who migrated into northern India. Those Scythians could have fair features because they were mixed people. Scythians were a mixture of Aryan/Iranians, Yamnaya and Siberian/Mongoloid people.

Scythian/Saka invasion was the last invasion of India.

The real Aryans came from Kurdistan/Western Iran and migrated into the BMAC. From there they linguistically influenced the Central Asia steppes and used Aryanised/Iranised people from the Steppes as foot soldier int heir conquest of India.

Aryans have ergativity construction in their language. Ergativity is nor native to Europe and neither to Central Asia.

Kurdish wogs recruiting people from the steppes and using them as soldiers, now you've surpassed the OIT crew :lol:
Fantasies and wishful thinking aside, the real Aryans came from Western Siberia and ultimately the Ukrainian steppe.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Indo-Iranian_origins.png

[MS85]

Kurdish wogs recruiting people from the steppes and using them as soldiers, now you've surpassed the OIT crew :lol:
Fantasies and wishful thinking aside, the real Aryans came from Western Siberia and ultimately the Ukrainian steppe.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Indo-Iranian_origins.pngWiki is bull. We have modern DNA as evidence that there was a migration from the Western Iranian Plateau into the Steppes. Andronovo was heavily influenced by BMAC.

BMAC is much older than Andronovo.

Andronovo people were like ancient Eastern Scythians, very mixed people with Aryan/Iranian DNA from the Iranian Plateau, Mongoloid/Siberian DNA and DNA similar to Yamnaya. In turn, Yamnaya was already heavily influenced by people from Kurdistan.


Power to the WOGS from Kurdistan, the REAL Aryans! Aryan Kurds forever all the way.

[MS85]

It cracks me up when insecure wannabe-Aryans from Europe trying to enrich their history from stealing other people's history to make themselves feel better and special

[Token]

Wiki is bull. We have modern DNA as evidence that there was a migration from the Western Iranian Plateau into the Steppes. Andronovo was heavily influenced by BMAC.

BMAC is much older than Andronovo.

Andronovo people were like ancient Eastern Scythians, very mixed people with Aryan/Iranian DNA from the Iranian Plateau, Mongoloid/Siberian DNA and DNA similar to Yamnaya. In turn, Yamnaya was already heavily influenced by people from Kurdistan.

Power to the WOGS from Kurdistan, the REAL Aryans!

There was absolutely no BMAC influence in Andronovo, neither in genetics nor in culture, and there was no migration from the Iran into the steppes, the CHG admixture in Indo-Europeans has nothing to do with Iran and is extremely old in the steppes and North Eurasia in general, predating the Eneolithic. You don't like Wikipedia? No problem, here is one from an peer-reviewed paper by Harvard and MiT you dumbass.

https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/aryan-migration.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1400

[MS85]

BMAC = 6000 BC
Andronovo = 2000 BC

BMAC was much more superior to Andronovo.

It were the Eastern Aryans from BMAC who 'influenced' the Andronovo Horizon and used those people later on to attack India. Last invasion of India was not even that long time ago, around 1500 BC.

[Blondie]

Proto-Nordid the original iranic (aryan) phenotype:

http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html

Common in Pontic Steppe, Middle East, Iran, and South Central Asia.

[MS85]

There was absolutely no BMAC influence in Andronovo, neither in genetics nor in culture, and there was no migration from the Iran into the steppes, the CHG admixture in Indo-Europeans has nothing to do with Iran and is extremely old in the steppes and North Eurasia in general, predating the Eneolithic. You don't like Wikipedia? No problem, here is one from an peer-reviewed paper by Harvard and MiT you dumbass.
https://d1u4oo4rb13yy8.cloudfront.net/article/85930-hlmhnnzqzl-1522612375.jpegNo you are ignorant about that part of the history and have no clue at all what you are talking about, there is a lot academic literature about influeces of BAMC.

The biggest authority on BMAC was Sarianidi, just read what he wrote about Aryans and BMAC. ALso, they found a lot Aryan/Iranic DNA (Gedrosia/Neolithic Iranian Farmer DNA) in ancient Steppes.


Do I insult you? Why do you inslut me?

[Blondie]

BMAC = 6000 BC
Andronovo = 2000 BC

BMAC was much more superior to Andronovo.

It were the Eastern Aryans from BMAC who 'influenced' the Andronovo Horizon and used those people later on to attack India. Last invasion of India was not even that long time ago, around 1500 BC.

Don't spread nonsense, 8000 years ago there were not aryans or iranic peoples only proto Indo-European who lived in East Europe. BMAC have nothing to do with aryans lol they migrated from East Europe -> Central Asia -> South Asia.

[MS85]

Proto-Nordid the original iranic (aryan) phenotype:

http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html

Common in Pontic Steppe, Middle East, Iran, and South Central Asia.LMAO, who made this crazy stuff? Is this based on any science?

True historic ARYANS, like the Medes, were light 'brown' people.

[Token]

BMAC = 6000 BC
Andronovo = 2000 BC

BMAC was much more superior to Andronovo.

It were the Eastern Aryans from BMAC who 'influenced' the Andronovo Horizon and used those people later on to attack India. Last invasion of India was not even that long time ago, around 1500 BC.

6000BC in your dreams, Andronovo and BMAC are contemporary, and i want to see the papers on BMAC influence in Andronovo because everything i see is Andronovo pottery popping up inside BMAC fortified villages. Guess why :laugh:

[MS85]

Don't spread nonsense, 8000 years ago there were not aryans or iranic peoples only proto Indo-European who lived in East Europe. BMAC have nothing to do with aryans lol they migrated from East Europe -> Central Asia -> South Asia.No, Indo-Iranian or even Aryan/Iranic languages are very old. They had an ergative construction in it. And ergativity is native to Kurdistan.

Aryan Kurdish ancestors the Aryan Medes from 1000 BC were already like the Kurds, NorthWest Iranian speaking people. That means that there was already split between West and South Iranians already 1000 BC. So, the split between West Aryan and East Aryan was millennia before. And before that There was a split between Aryan/Iranian and Indo-Aryan (Vedic) languages.

[Blondie]

LMAO, who made this crazy stuff? Is this based on any science?

True historic ARYANS, like the Medes, were light 'brown' people.

Every source described aryans as blonde pale white peoples. You can find the original aryan Proto Nordid subrace only in iranic territories among iranians, kurds, partly central asia and in East Europe where scythians, alans and other iranic tribes lived.

[Token]

No, Indo-Iranian or even Aryan/Iranic languages are very old. They had an ergative construction in it. And ergativity is native to Kurdistan.

Aryan Kurdish ancestors the Aryan Medes from 1000 BC were already like the Kurds, NorthWest Iranian speaking people. That means that there was already split between West and South Iranians already 1000 BC. So, the split between West Aryan and East Aryan was millennia before. And before that There was a split between Aryan/Iranian and Indo-Aryan (Vedic) languages.
Here comes you with that ergativity, you are this crazy guy who was banned from Anthrogenica some time ago.

[Blondie]

No, Indo-Iranian or even Aryan/Iranic languages are very old. They had an ergative construction in it. And ergativity is native to Kurdistan.

Aryan Kurdish ancestors the Aryan Medes from 1000 BC were already like the Kurds, NorthWest Iranian speaking people. That means that there was already split between West and South Iranians already 1000 BC. So, the split between West Aryan and East Aryan was millennia before. And before that There was a split between Aryan/Iranian and Indo-Aryan (Vedic) languages.

1. Indo-Iranians originated from the PIE population they lived in East Europe:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Indo-European_steppe_homeland_map.svg/400px-Indo-European_steppe_homeland_map.svg.png

2. The aryan-iranic haplogroup was r1a-z93, that's originated from East Europe and later migrated to Central Asia:

"Proto-Indo-Iranian speakers, the people who later called themselves 'Aryans' in the Rig Veda and the Avesta, originated in the Sintashta-Petrovka culture (2100-1750 BCE), in the Tobol and Ishim valleys, east of the Ural Mountains. It was founded by pastoralist nomads from the Abashevo culture (2500-1900 BCE), ranging from the upper Don-Volga to the Ural Mountains, and the Poltavka culture (2700-2100 BCE), extending from the lower Don-Volga to the Caspian depression.

The Sintashta-Petrovka culture, associated with R1a-Z93 and its subclades, was the first Bronze Age advance of the Indo-Europeans west of the Urals, opening the way to the vast plains and deserts of Central Asia to the metal-rich Altai mountains. The Aryans quickly expanded over all Central Asia, from the shores of the Caspian to southern Siberia and the Tian Shan, through trading, seasonal herd migrations, and looting raids.

Horse-drawn war chariots seem to have been invented by Sintashta people around 2100 BCE, and quickly spread to the mining region of Bactria-Margiana (modern border of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Afghanistan). Copper had been extracted intensively in the Urals, and the Proto-Indo-Iranians from Sintashta-Petrovka were exporting it in huge quantities to the Middle East. They appear to have been attracted by the natural resources of the Zeravshan valley for a Petrovka copper-mining colony was established in Tugai around 1900 BCE, and tin was extracted soon afterwards at Karnab and Mushiston. Tin was an especially valued resource in the late Bronze Age, when weapons were made of copper-tin alloy, stronger than the more primitive arsenical bronze. In the 1700's BCE, the Indo-Iranians expanded to the lower Amu Darya valley and settled in irrigation farming communities (Tazabagyab culture). By 1600 BCE, the old fortified towns of Margiana-Bactria were abandoned, submerged by the northern steppe migrants. The group of Central Asian cultures under Indo-Iranian influence is known as the Andronovo horizon, and lasted until 800 BCE.

The Indo-Iranian migrations progressed further south across the Hindu Kush. By 1700 BCE, horse-riding pastoralists had penetrated into Balochistan (south-west Pakistan). The Indus valley succumbed circa 1500 BCE, and the northern and central parts of the Indian subcontinent were taken over by 500 BCE. Westward migrations led Old Indic Sanskrit speakers riding war chariots to Assyria, where they became the Mitanni rulers from circa 1500 BCE. The Medes, Parthians and Persians, all Iranian speakers from the Andronovo culture, moved into the Iranian plateau from 800 BCE. Those that stayed in Central Asia are remembered by history as the Scythians, while the Yamna descendants who remained in the Pontic-Caspian steppe became known as the Sarmatians to the ancient Greeks and Romans.

The Indo-Iranian migrations have resulted in high R1a frequencies in southern Central Asia, Iran and the Indian subcontinent. The highest frequency of R1a (about 65%) is reached in a cluster around Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and northern Afghanistan. In India and Pakistan, R1a ranges from 15 to 50% of the population, depending on the region, ethnic group and caste. R1a is generally stronger is the North-West of the subcontinent, and weakest in the Dravidian-speaking South (Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh) and from Bengal eastward. Over 70% of the Brahmins (highest caste in Hindusim) belong to R1a1, due to a founder effect.

Maternal lineages in South Asia are, however, overwhelmingly pre-Indo-European. For instance, India has over 75% of "native" mtDNA M and R lineages and 10% of East Asian lineages. In the residual 15% of haplogroups, approximately half are of Middle Eastern origin. Only about 7 or 8% could be of "Russian" (Pontic-Caspian steppe) origin, mostly in the form of haplogroup U2 and W (although the origin of U2 is still debated). European mtDNA lineages are much more common in Central Asia though, and even in Afghanistan and northern Pakistan. This suggests that the Indo-European invasion of India was conducted mostly by men through war. The first major settlement of Indo-Aryan women was in northern Pakistan, western India (Punjab to Gujarat) and northern India (Uttar Pradesh), where haplogroups U2 and W are the most common today."

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/R1a_migration_map.jpg

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Indo-Iranian

Aryan-iranic face reconstructions:

http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/pic%5CS%5CC%5CScythian%20man%20from%20Nikopol%20ku rhan%20(reconstruction).jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/4f/c2/77/4fc277dfab3c68f6f773f8831aaeee4f.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/Yamna_culture.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/84/3c/b5/843cb5a2af073d5f06cea017b785c33d--forensic-facial-reconstruction-facials.jpg

[MS85]

6000BC in your dreams, Andronovo and BMAC are contemporary, and i want to see the papers on BMAC influence in Andronovo because everything i see is Andronovo pottery popping up inside BMAC fortified villages. Guess why :laugh:What are you talking about? Farming in Andronovo came from BMAC.

Nevertheless, BMAC is much older than Andronovo Horizon, this is a basic fact.


The origin of BMAC is when Aryan farmers from Kurdistan migrated into SouthCentral Asia.

just use google scholar and type: BMAC +Andronovo and you will get many hits. Like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/Wzmx8SWP/ace.jpg


Lamberg-Karlovsky, C. C. (2003). Art of the First Cities: the Third Millennium BC from the Mediterranean to the Indus. Metropolitan Museum of Art.


https://www.academia.edu/20344771/Another_Possible_Interpretation_of_the_Bactro-Margiana_Culture_BMAC_of_Central_Asia_The_Tin_Trad e

[MS85]

Aryan-iranic face reconstructions:

http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/pic%5CS%5CC%5CScythian%20man%20from%20Nikopol%20ku rhan%20(reconstruction).jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/4f/c2/77/4fc277dfab3c68f6f773f8831aaeee4f.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/Yamna_culture.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/84/3c/b5/843cb5a2af073d5f06cea017b785c33d--forensic-facial-reconstruction-facials.jpgThese are not the REAL Aryans from Kurdistan. What you are showing are just feature of heavily mixed Scythians.

The real ARYAN Medes and Persians were light brown people. Even people of Yamnaya who were heavily influenced by Leyla-Tepe people were pigmented light brown people.

[MS85]

Here comes you with that ergativity, you are this crazy guy who was banned from Anthrogenica some time ago.Don't insult me. I am new to this site and was never banned from this site ever.

Aryan and even proto-Aryan language had an ergative construction in it. And ergativity is NOT native to Central Asia or the Steppes at all, it is from Kurdistan/West Asia/Zagros Mountains.

[Blondie]

The hungarian jassic peoples are the closest population of original aryans/iranic tribes today:

https://m.blog.hu/ne/netfolk/image/fiatalpar.jpg

http://www.jaszalsoszentgyorgy.hu/wp-content/uploads/313-1024x678.jpg

http://www.miabonyunk.hu/images/1012629_517006268348925_1038828038_n.jpg

https://jaszkarajeno.asp.lgov.hu/sites/jaszkarajeno/files/imce/2017-12/img_9981.jpg

https://jaszkarajeno.asp.lgov.hu/sites/jaszkarajeno/files/imce/2017-12/img_9991.jpg

http://www.kormanyhivatal.hu/download/4/c9/f1000/k%C3%A9p5.jpg

https://static.parom.hu/photos/30/26630.jpg

https://static.parom.hu/photos/26/23630.jpg

https://static.parom.hu/photos/17/25212.jpg

https://fiilrcdn.com/i_u/55/79/66/557966_39904b7e949ca9a47c64_pn.jpg

https://z1.csajokespasik.hu/assets/photo/8/1/565b85876588b6700e8b4581.jpg

https://s1.lovebox.hu/user_image/51/33/0141/thn-07431748-5928a1.jpg

http://hunvolley.hu/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/J%C3%A1szber%C3%A9ny.jpg

http://www.jasztriotv.hu/sites/default/files/styles/cikk_belso/public/field/image/abony_kezilabdasiker.jpg?itok=ahrzLOTz

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NWyBlHw0oo0/maxresdefault.jpg

https://www.szoljon.hu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/P1570461-902x677.jpg?mwfmv=1530436997

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasz_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jassic_dialect

[MS85]

Every source described aryans as blonde pale white peoples. You can find the original aryan Proto Nordid subrace only in iranic territories among iranians, kurds, partly central asia and in East Europe where scythians, alans and other iranic tribes lived.
No, the Aryan Medes, ancient Persians and their ancestors were the REAL Aryans. And according to the ancient Hellenic sources

Light feature on Kurdistan might be from the Caucasus. It has been said that there was a Scythian and Cimmerian migration into Kurdistan. It is possible that those people brought fair features to Kurdistan

[Token]

What are you talking about? Farming in Andronovo came from BMAC.

Nevertheless, BMAC is much older than Andronovo Horizon, this is a basic fact.
The origin of BMAC is when Aryan farmers from Kurdistan migrated into SouthCentral Asia.

just use google scholar and type: BMAC +Andronovo and you will get many hits. Like this:
Lamberg-Karlovsky, C. C. (2003). Art of the First Cities: the Third Millennium BC from the Mediterranean to the Indus. Metropolitan Museum of Art.

https://www.academia.edu/20344771/Another_Possible_Interpretation_of_the_Bactro-Margiana_Culture_BMAC_of_Central_Asia_The_Tin_Trad e
The fact that the best you could come up with is some vague and sourceless one line citation of Andronovo acting as intermediary of BMAC in fucking China is revealing.

[MS85]

The hungarian jassic peoples are the closest population of original aryans/iranic tribes today:
HUH? Hungarians are Mongoloid Finno-Ugric people. They don't even speak an Aryan language!

[Blondie]

These are not the REAL Aryans from Kurdistan. What you are showing are just feature of heavily mixed Scythians.

The real ARYAN Medes and Persians were light brown people. Even people of Yamnaya who were heavily influenced by Leyla-Tepe people were pigmented light brown people.

This is just your wog fantasy. Your middle eastern ancestors were assimilated by white skinned aryan-iranic elite, you adopted their language, culture etc. Genetically you have nothing to do with them. And we have talked about original aryans not the aryan-middle eastern mixed population in Middle East and South Asia. The original aryans came from East Europe, Central Asia and they were white skinned mostly blonde europeans that's scientific fact.

[MS85]

The fact that the best you could come up with is some vague and sourceless one line citation of Andronovo acting as intermediary of BMAC in fucking China is revealing.Just study what Sarianidi wrote about BMAC and he was the biggest uthority on BMAC. He spent his own life on this culture. And according to him BMAC was for 100% an Aryan culture.

Even your own Wikipedia page is stating that origin of BMAC goes back to 6000 BC.


Origins[edit]
There is archaeological evidence of settlement in the well-watered northern foothills of the Kopet Dag during the Neolithic period. This region is dotted with the multi-period hallmarks characteristic of the ancient Near East, similar to those southwest of the Kopet Dag in the Gorgan Plain in Iran.[3] At Jeitun (or Djeitun), mud brick houses were first occupied c. 6000 BC. The inhabitants were farmers who kept herds of goats and sheep and grew wheat and barley, with origins in southwest Asia.[4] Jeitun has given its name to the whole Neolithic period in the northern foothills of the Kopet Dag. At the late Neolithic site of Chagylly Depe, farmers increasingly grew the kinds of crops that are typically associated with irrigation in an arid environment, such as hexaploid bread wheat, which became predominant during the Chalcolithic period.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria–Margiana_Archaeological_Complex

[Blondie]

HUH? Hungarians are Mongoloid Finno-Ugric people. They don't even speak an Aryan language!

Don't you read the source you autistic wog?

"Jász is the Hungarian language and English language exonym for an Iranic ethnic minority, also known by the endonyms Iasi or Jassy, that has lived in Hungary since the 13th century. The Jász originated as an Ossetian (Alani) people in Sarmatia.
Jassic is the common name in English for the original language of the Jász. A dialect of Ossetian and, therefore, the broader Iranian language family, Jassic is now extinct and has been replaced by Hungarian.
The Jasz people were a nomadic Sarmatian (or Scythian) tribe which settled in the medieval Kingdom of Hungary during the 13th century[1] and are generally thought to be of Ossetian origin originally speaking a dialect of the Ossetic language. The dialect is extinct and members of the Jász usually speak Hungarian. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasz_people

Hungarians have never been mongoloids, neither finno-ugrians, but you're too autistic to understand how works the modern science.

[MS85]

This is just your wog fantasy. Your middle eastern ancestors were assimilated by white skinned aryan-iranic elite, you adopted their language, culture etc. Genetically you have nothing to do with them. And we have talked about original aryans not the aryan-middle eastern mixed population in Middle East and South Asia. The original aryans came from East Europe, Central Asia and they were white skinned mostly blonde europeans that's scientific fact.The only people who called themselves ARYANS are the Persians and the Aryan Medes.

The Old Persian and Avestan evidence is confirmed by the Greek sources.[44] Herodotus in his Histories remarks about the Iranian Medes that: "These Medes were called anciently by all people Arians; " (7.62).[23][44][45] In Armenian sources, the Parthians, Medes and Persians are collectively referred to as Aryans.[53] Eudemus of Rhodes apud Damascius (Dubitationes et solutiones in Platonis Parmenidem 125 bis) refers to "the Magi and all those of Iranian (áreion) lineage"; Diodorus Siculus (1.94.2) considers Zoroaster (Zathraustēs) as one of the Arianoi.[44]
Strabo, in his Geography, mentions the unity of Medes, Persians, Bactrians and Sogdians:[47]
The name of Ariana is further extended to a part of Persia and of Media, as also to the Bactrians and Sogdians on the north; for these speak approximately the same language, with but slight variations.
— Geography, 15.8




Aryan = Iranian


Wannabe Aryans don't even speak an Aryan languag as your native language

[Blondie]

The fact that the best you could come up with is some vague and sourceless one line citation of Andronovo acting as intermediary of BMAC in fucking China is revealing.

Unfortunatelly the forum is full with frustrated non european or non white foreigners who are spreading their anti white, anti european pseudo-science. Very sad.

[MS85]

Don't you read the source you autistic wog?

"Jász is the Hungarian language and English language exonym for an Iranic ethnic minority, also known by the endonyms Iasi or Jassy, that has lived in Hungary since the 13th century. The Jász originated as an Ossetian (Alani) people in Sarmatia.
Jassic is the common name in English for the original language of the Jász. A dialect of Ossetian and, therefore, the broader Iranian language family, Jassic is now extinct and has been replaced by Hungarian.
The Jasz people were a nomadic Sarmatian (or Scythian) tribe which settled in the medieval Kingdom of Hungary during the 13th century[1] and are generally thought to be of Ossetian origin originally speaking a dialect of the Ossetic language. The dialect is extinct and members of the Jász usually speak Hungarian. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasz_people

Hungarians have never been mongoloids, neither finno-ugrians, but you're too autistic to understand how works the modern science.What are you talking about????

Ossetians are very different from the Hungarians. Ossetians are Caucasus/Western Asian people and very close to Kurds.


Hungarians speak a Hungarian language or Magyar and Magyar is part of Finno-Ugric/Mongoloid language family. If anything Hungarians are much closer to Central Asian Turks than the REAL original Aryan Kurds.

[MS85]

Unfortunatelly the forum is full with frustrated non european or non white foreigners who are spreading their anti white, anti european pseudo-science. Very sad.Just a question. Are you a wannabe-Aryan?

[Blondie]

The only people who called themselves ARYANS are the Persians and the Aryan Medes.

Wrong, genetically persians are south asians not aryans. The persian and kurdis population is mixed, result of mixing between white aryans and local brown skinned wogs. You are not aryan just because you speak iranic language... just like the english speaker black nigerian isn't germani anglo-saxon. Dude i linked many scientific source with face reconstructions, you're arguing with facts.

[Ayetooey]

Just a question. Are you a wannabe-Aryan?

Her paternal line is I1. So not even a real Aryan.

[Blondie]

What are you talking about????

Ossetians are very different from the Hungarians. Ossetians are Caucasus/Western Asian people and very close to Kurds.


Hungarians speak a Hungarian language or Magyar and Magyar is part of Finno-Ugric/Mongoloid language family. If anything Hungarians are much closer to Central Asian Turks than real Aryan Kurds.

I have talked about JASSIC PEOPLES not hungarians you autistic wog. Jassic peoples and hungarians have totally different origin and different ethnic group. There is no mongoloid language family because "mongoloid is a race not linguistic family you arab. Kurds are mostly arabs not aryans.

[MS85]

Her paternal line is I1. So not even a real Aryan.My paternal line is R1a*, daddy of all modern R1a. Truen that Original Aryans were not I1 at all, but I'm sure that the paternal DNA of Aryans was diverse, like J2a, G2a, L, R1a, R1b, T etc.

[Blondie]

Just a question. Are you a wannabe-Aryan?

Im not aryan wannabe you retard, i just refused your all pseudo-sience. You arab are the real aryan wannabe.

[Ayetooey]

Im not aryan wannabe you retard, i just refused your all pseudo-sience. You arab are the real aryan wannabe.

He's R1a so more paternally Aryan than you; and hasn't insulted you so far, so show some respect and respond with facts.

[Ayetooey]

My paternal line is R1a*, daddy of all modern R1a. Truen that Original Aryans were not I1 at all, but I'm sure that the paternal DNA of Aryans was diverse, like J2a, G2a, L, R1a, R1b, T etc.

Original were obviously R1, but yes they would of absorbed the above groups, no doubt about that.

[Blondie]

Her paternal line is I1. So not even a real Aryan.

Who said i'm aryan you troll?

[MS85]

I have talked about JASSIC PEOPLES not hungarians you autistic wog. Jassic peoples and hungarians have totally different origin and different ethnic group. There is no mongoloid language family because "mongoloid is a race not linguistic family you arab. Kurds are mostly arabs not aryans.LOL, there are only for about 200.000 in the world. And they ended up in Europe when Finno-Ugrian/Mongoloid Attila the Hun invaded Europe.

The Original people of ALania are the Ossetians, and genetically speaking Ossetians are very similar to Kurds and not Mongoloid/Finno-Ugrian Hungarians at all.

[Blondie]

He's R1a so more paternally Aryan than you; and hasn't insulted you so far, so show some respect and respond with facts.

You are talking about respect when you and your friends mocked an innocent child and gived thousands of thumbs down with different fake accounts? lol

[Ayetooey]

Some Kurdish groups have quite high I2a, something I've always found interesting; since other west Asian groups lack it completely.

[Ayetooey]

You are talking about respect when you and your friends mocked an innocent child and gived thousands of thumbs down with different fake accounts? lol

I didn't mock the child and posted my screenshots to prove it. So don't make lies about me again you petulant immature scumbag thot.

[Blondie]

LOL, there are only for about 200.000 in the world. And they ended up in Europe when Finno-Ugrian/Mongoloid Attila the Hun invaded Europe.

The Original people of ALania are the Ossetians, and genetically speaking Ossetians are very similar to Kurds and not Mongoloid/Finno-Ugrian Hungarians at all.

Dude you're genetically arab who trying to stole original iranic ancestry. Hungarians aren't mongoloids you arab :D What are you doing in European forum?

[MS85]

Who said i'm aryan you troll?I'm not a troll. And you are Hungarian, Hungarians are Finno-Ugric people who were never, are not and will never be Aryans at all.

As a true Aryan and a direct descendant of REAL Aryan Medes, I will never accept Finno-Ugric people as Aryans, this is crazy.


Just a question, why are you interested in a topic about the Aryans and spreading bull about them?

[MS85]

Dude you're genetically arab who trying to stole original iranic ancestry. Hungarians aren't mongoloids you arab :D What are you doing in European forum?You are more Turk/Central Asian Mongoloid than I'm an Arab. I'm sure you have more Mongoloid/Finno-Ugric/Turkic DNA than I have Semitic..

[Blondie]

I didn't mock the child and posted my screenshots to prove it. So don't make lies about me again you petulant immature scumbag thot.

You knew exactly what are they are doing, but you didn't tell anyone so you're an accessory too.

[MS85]

Some Kurdish groups have quite high I2a, something I've always found interesting; since other west Asian groups lack it completely.
It is from the Scythians and Cimmerians who came to Kurdistan and helped the Aryan Medes when my Aryan ancestors the Medes attacked the Assyrians

[Blondie]

I'm not a troll. And you are Hungarian, Hungarians are Finno-Ugric people who were never, are not and will never be Aryans at all.

As a true Aryan and a direct descendant of REAL Aryan Medes, I will never accept Finno-Ugric people as Aryans, this is crazy.


Just a question, why are you interested in a topic about the Aryans and spreading bull about them?

Don't you read autist? :D I have never said that hungarians are aryans, or i'm aryan what are you talking about arab? Hungarians have 0,5% asian admixture, kurds have 1-5%:

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

lol

[Blondie]

Kurds have 20-30% arab genetic:

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Southwest-Asian-admixture.gif

[MS85]

Don't you read autist? :D I have never said that hungarians are aryans, or i'm aryan what are you talking about arab? Hungarians have 0,5% asian admixture, kurds have 1-5%:

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

lolWhat is your native language? And what are the roots of your native language.

And according to what academic calculator do you have only 0.5% Mongoloid DNA. I'm not interested in amateurish calculators. I'm sure that when true scientists/professionals test your DNA they will find a lot Mongoloid DNA in you, much more than you expect.

[Blondie]

What is your native language? And what are the roots of your native language.

And according to what academic calculator do you have only 0.5% Mongoloid DNA. I'm not interested in amateurish calculators. I'm sure that when true scientists/professionals test your DNA they will find a lot Mongoloid DNA in you, much more than you expect.

My native language is german and hungarian. The first one is indo-european, the last one is paleo-european evolved from Pre Finno-Ugric language:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleo-European_languages

[MS85]

Kurds have 20-30% arab genetic:

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Southwest-Asian-admixture.gif
gif doesn't work.

I tested my DNA and I do have at max 10% Semitic DNA in me, mostly from the ancient Semites like the Chaldeans. Even Copper Age ARYANS from Kurdistan have the same amount of Semitic DNA in them. I'm almost identical to the Copper Age ARYANS from Kurdistan.

My DNA didn't change for the last 3000 years, while DNA of most people change every 50 year, lol!

[MS85]

My native language is german and hungarian. The first one is indo-european, the last one is paleo-european evolved from Pre Finno-Ugric language:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleo-European_languagesAre you mixed? How can you have 2 native languages?

Yeah I think it is very much possible that people in Eastern Europe spoke a Finno-Ugrian/Mongoloid language before penetration of second stage Indo-Europeans from Yamnaya. But nevertheless Hungarian is part of Finno-Ugric/Mongoloid/Turkic language family.


My native language is Kurmanji Kurdish, which is a NorthWest Iranian (ARYAN) language. The same language as the ARYAN NorthWest Iranian Medes spoke. My native language (Aryan NorthWest Kurmanji Kurdish) is at least 9000 years old!

[Blondie]

Are you mixed? How can you have 2 native languages?

Yeah I think it is very much possible that people in Eastern Europe spoke a Finno-Ugrian/Mongoloid language before penetration of second stage Indo-European from Yamnaya. But nevertheless Hungarian is part of Finno-Ugric/Mongoloid/Turkic language family.


My native language is Kurmanji Kurdish, which is a NorthWest Iranian (ARYAN) language. The same language as the ARYAN NorthWest Iranian Medes spoke. My native language (Aryan NorthWest Kurmanji Kurdish) is at least 9000 years old!

1. I'm danube swabian, germans in Hungary:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/51/6e/9f/516e9f65dda5f83f437f5b8b94dc7089.jpg

2. The finno-ugric and altaic (turkic,mongol) languages are two totally different linguistic group:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Ugric_languages
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages

The first one originated from neolithic North East Europe, the last one is from East Asia.

[MS85]

1. I'm danube swabian, germans in Hungary:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/51/6e/9f/516e9f65dda5f83f437f5b8b94dc7089.jpg

2. The finno-ugric and altaic (turkic,mongol) languages are two totally different linguistic group:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Ugric_languages
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages

The first one originated from neolithic North East Europe, the last one is from East Asia.Oh ok, so you have Germnanic roots. You are an ethnic German living in Hungary, cool! Hungarians are not Aryans, but also Germanic people are not Aryans at all, maybe in Hitlers fantasy world, but not in the real world.

I know that there is a difference between Finno-Ugric and Altaic, Finno-Ugric is also a native language of ancient Mongoloid Northern European people the Saami. Before the penetration of the second stage of Indo-Europeans from Yamnaya they were the native people of Europe. But the point is that Finno-Ugric is spoken all the way from NorthEastern Europe into Siberia. People who speak a Finno-Ugric language are Siberian/Mongoloid.

And since there is a connection between Finno-Ugric, Altaic languages and since most of those people are ethnically Mongoloid, the Hungarians and their language & culture is associated with the Mongoloid people.

Btw, it is not a shame to have Mongoloid deep roots. We are all human beings an equal to each other.

But some things need to be corrected.

[Oghuz]

Oh ok, so you have Germnanic roots. You are an ethnic German living in Hungary, cool! Hungarians are not Aryans, but also Germanic people are not Aryans at all, maybe in Hitlers fantasy world, but not in the real world.

I know that there is a difference between Finno-Ugric and Altaic, Finno-Ugric is also a native language of ancient Mongoloid Northern European people the Saami. Before the penetration of the second stage of Indo-Europeans from Yamnaya they were the native people of Europe. But the point is that Finno-Ugric is spoken all the way from NorthEastern Europe into Siberia. People who speak a Finno-Ugric people are Siberian/Mongoloid.

And since there is a connection between Finno-Ugric, Altaic languages and since most of those people are ethnically Mongoloid, the Hungarians and their language & culture is associated with the Mongoloid people.

Btw, it is not a shame to have Mongoloid deep roots. We are all human beings an equal to each other.

But some things need to be corrected.

Tu kurd hasti, Persian baladi azizam?

[MS85]

Tu kurd hasti, Persian baladi azizam?Reste, ez Kurdim. Ez Kurmanji/Ezdiki xawardedem, zmane min Ezdiki/Kurmanji.

I don't speak Farsi.


Kurd, Kurdi u Kurdistan.

[Blondie]

Oh ok, so you have Germnanic roots. You are an ethnic German living in Hungary, cool! Hungarians are not Aryans, but also Germanic people are not Aryans at all, maybe in Hitlers fantasy world, but not in the real world.

No one said it.


I know that there is a difference between Finno-Ugric and Altaic, Finno-Ugric is also a native language of ancient Mongoloid Northern European people the Saami.

Sami peoples are not mongoloid, and they are circa 0,1% of complete finno-ugric population.


Before the penetration of the second stage of Indo-Europeans from Yamnaya they were the native people of Europe. But the point is that Finno-Ugric is spoken all the way from NorthEastern Europe into Siberia. People who speak a Finno-Ugric people are Siberian/Mongoloid.

98% of finno-ugric speakers live in Europe, the siberian population is just 200000-300000 people, and there is 13 million hungarian, 6 million finnish people and 2 million estonian. French and indians speak similar language (indo-european) but it does not mean that these peoples are related... so your logic is bullshit.


And since there is a connection between Finno-Ugric, Altaic languages and since most of those people are ethnically Mongoloid, the Hungarians and their language & culture is associated with the Mongoloid people.

Most of hungarians, finns are mongoloid? Are you mentally retarded? :D Hungarians have christian european culture you retard, you kurds have arab islam culture, arab names, arab looking etc.


Btw, it is not a shame to have Mongoloid deep roots. We are all human beings an equal to each other.

But some things need to be corrected.

And you don't be ashamed your arab roots, your arab ,muslim culture ;)

[Oghuz]

Reste, ez Kurdim. Ez Kurmanji/Ezdiki xawardedem, zmane min Ezdiki/Kurmanji.

I don't speak Farsi.


Kurd, Kurdi u Kurdistan.


from Turkey ?

[MS85]

Sami peoples are not mongoloid, and they are circa 0,1% of complete finno-ugric population.

98% of finno-ugric speakers live in Europe, the siberian population is just 200000-300000 people, and there is 13 million hungarian, 6 million finnish people and 2 million estonian. French and indians speak similar language (indo-european) but it does not mean that these peoples are related... so your logic is bullshit.

Most of hungarians, finns are mongoloid? Are you mentally retarded? :D Hungarians have christian european culture you retard, you kurds have arab islam culture, arab names, arab looking etc.

And you don't be ashamed your arab roots, your arab ,muslim culture ;)Saami are native European Mongoloids.

Finno-Ugric is part of a Mongoloid language family. It has it roots in Ural. Uralic, Altaic and Finno-Ugric are all part of Mongoloid language family. This is a FACT.


Why do you deny Mongoloid roots in Magyars and Magyar? Nothing to be ashamed. Pure Mongoloid people in Urals/Siberia are really very friendly and kind people. I like them a lot.


Arabs don't have a culture. Culture in Arabs is from the ancient Kurds (Medes, Parthians) and Persians. Also, Christanity is from the Middle East and Jesus was a Jewish Middle Eastern fella. You believe in a Middle Eastern Semitic GOD.

I'm an Ezdi Kurd. My native religion is at least 6000 years old and it is derived from the Aryan religion of Mithraism from the Northern Mesopotamia and I don't believe in a Semitic GOD at all.

[MS85]

from Turkey ?Turkey? I'm not from Turkey, my ethnic roots are from Kurdistan. I was born in the USSR. My ethnic roots are from an area between Wan/Kars (maternal part) and Qamishli/Shengal (Sinjar) (paternal part).

[Blondie]

Saami are European Mongoloids.

Finno-Ugric is part of a Mongloid language family. It has it roots in Ural. Uralic, Altaic and Finno-Ugric are all part of Mongoloid language family. This is a FACT.


Why do you deny Mongoloid roots in Magyars and Magyar? Nothing to be ashamed. Pure Mongoloid people in Urals/Siberia are really very friendly and kind people. I like them a lot.


Arabs don't have a culture. Culture in Arabs is from the ancient Kurds (Medes, Parthians) and Persians. Also, Christanity is from the Middle East and Jesus was a Jewish Middle Eastern fella. You believe in a Middle Eastern Semitic GOD.
I'm an Ezdi Kurd. My native religion is at least 6000 years old and it is derived from the Aryan religion of Mithraism and I don't believe in a Semitic GOD at all.

There is no mongoloid language family you retard because being mongoloid is a racial thing not linguistically. By your logic kurds and arabs belong to brown skinned west asian language family.

Magyars have never been mongoloids,neither their genetic, for example the hungarian elite had r1a z93 iranic marker:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12520-018-0609-7

You have arabic muslim culture, arab names, 30% arab genetic, same racial types etc:
http://humanphenotypes.net/Arabid.html

[Oghuz]

Turkey? I'm not from Turkey, my ethnic roots are from Kurdistan. I was born in the USSR. My ethnic roots are from an area between Wan/Kars (maternal part) and Qamishli/Shengal (Sinjar) (paternal part).

Nice to meet you man and good discussion.

[MS85]

There is no mongoloid language family you retard because being mongoloid is a racial thing not linguistically. By your logic kurds and arabs belong to brown skinned west asian language family.

Magyars have never been mongoloids,neither their genetic, for example the hungarian elite had r1a z93 iranic marker:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12520-018-0609-7

You have arabic muslim culture, arab names, 30% arab genetic, same racial types etc:
http://humanphenotypes.net/Arabid.htmlWhy are you in denial? Nothing to be ashamed of. Hungarians and Magyar are part of the Finno-Ugrian family. Finno-Ugric is part of a broader Uralic or proto-Uralic language family. Do you know where the Urals are? It is not in Hungary, that's for sure.
Uralic, Altaic, Finno-Ugric are all derived from the Mongoloid people, the deep roots are within the Mongoloid people. What don't you understand about that?

Yeah, I know about the Eastern Iranian Alan (Ossetians) people who were in the army of Mongoloid Atilla The Hun. Some Eastern Iranians were even bodyguards of the Roman Caesars.


What matters is the DNA. Light brown skinned Kurds and Arabs have very different DNA from each other. Kurdish DNA is mostly a combination of the Neolithic Anatolian farmer + Neolithic Iranian farmer DNA.

Very deadly combination, since: Neolithic eastern Anatolian farmers + Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers = ARYANS


Sorry, but I'm not that much interested in how do people look like. And if you want to talk about the looks, you are talking to a wrong person. Let's talk about the REAL history or DNA here.

[Blondie]

Why are you in denial? Nothing to be ashamed of. Hungarians and Magyar are part of the Finno-Ugrian family. Finno-Ugric is part of a broader Uralic or proto-Uralic language family. Do you know where the Urals are? It is not in Hungary, that's for sure.
Uralic, Altaic, Finno-Ugric are all derived from the Mongoloid people, the deep roots are within the Mongoloid people. What don't you understand about that?

Yeah, I know about the Eastern Iranian Alan (Ossetians) people who were in the army of Mongoloid Atilla The Hun. Some Eastern Iranians were even bodyguards of the Roman Caesars.


What matters is the DNA. Light brown skinned Kurds and Arabs have very different DNA from each other. Kurdish DNA is mostly a combination of the Neolithic Anatolian farmer + Neolithic Iranian farmer DNA.

Very deadly combination, since: Neolithic eastern Anatolians farmers + Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers = ARYANS


Sorry, but I'm not that much interested in how do people look. And if you want to talk about the looks, you are talking to a wrong person. Let's talk about the REAL history or DNA here.

Kurds are closer to iraqi arabs than caucasians:

http://i.imgur.com/BIMJlpt.png

Autosomally 50% of kurds and iraqi arabs are same:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/2011/01/MDS1600.png

Dude you are arab with iranic language.

[zarzian]

Absolutely not, Indo Aryans resembled modern Iranians, they were never blonde, the Andronovo and Sintashta were European HG’s who got assimilated by Yamnaya like brown folks.

[MS85]

Kurds are closer to iraqi arabs than caucasians:

http://i.imgur.com/BIMJlpt.png

Autosomally 50% of kurds and iraqi arabs are same:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/2011/01/MDS1600.png

Dude you are arab with iranic language.Why should I be close to Caucasians? I'm not from Caucasus but from Kurdistan. I'm 100% NATIVE to Kurdistan and Kurdistan is my homeland. All my ancestors are from Kurdistan.


My modern Kurdic DNA is similar to the ancient Copper Age Aryans from Kurdisan. My ARYAN DNA didn't change much for the last 3000 years. I have tested it and this is a FACT.

Is this a joke? I don't see any 'Iraqi Arabs' in your charts. All I see is 'IRA', what means 'Iranians'. And there is a difference between 'Iranians' and 'Iraqi Arabs'. IRANIC/IRANIAN = ARYAN, lol..

Iranians = ancient Persians (ARYANS)
Kurds = ancient Medes (ARYANS)

My direct ancestors were the Aryan Medes and the Medes were related to the ancient Persians. And even today we see that connection between moderday Kurds and Persians. Modern Kurds and Persians are still very close to each other because of our ancient ARYAN connection. With other words, Kurdish DNA didn't change much since the last 3000 years. So, the other ethnicities who are my closest relatives are still the Persians.

Kurds are full blooded Aryans and genetically very close to the Copper Age Aryans from Kurdistan. My race, native language, native culture and native religion are all ARYAN!


Kurds = Neolithic eastern Anatolian farmers + Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers = ARYANS

[MS85]

Absolutely not, Indo Aryans resembled modern Iranians, they were never blonde, the Andronovo and Sintashta were European HG’s who got assimilated by Yamnaya like brown folks.Yamnaya was light brown, like modern Iranic people. But Andronovo/Sintashta people were mixed like the Scythians much and much later between Mongoloid Siberian folks, EHG, Yamnaya and ARYANS from BMAC. There is a lot Iranian Plateau farmer DNA in the ancient Central Asian Steppes. ARYAN BMAC is much older than Andronovo/Sintashta culture.


The last invasion of India took place 1500 BC by people who were similar to the East Iranian speaking Scythians/Saka, those people were very mixed people, and some of them had light features.

[Hashoeva]

Absolutely not, Indo Aryans resembled modern Iranians, they were never blonde, the Andronovo and Sintashta were European HG’s who got assimilated by Yamnaya like brown folks.
The original aryans were obvious Europeans. They didnt looked like modern Iranians. Iranians are a middle eastern looking people who look similar to arabs, or pakistanis, etc.

[MS85]

The original aryans were obvious Europeans. They didnt looked like modern Iranians. Iranians are a middle eastern looking people who look similar to arabs, or pakistanis, etc.Your information is outdated and you should update it.


'As an ethnic designation, the word (Aryan) is most properly limited to the Indo-Iranians, and most justly to the latter where it still gives its name to the country Iran.' - James Patrick Mallory

Mallory, J. P. (1992). In Search of the Indo-Europeans/Language, Archaeology and Myth. Praehistorische Zeitschrift, 67(1), 132-137.


And modern Kurds and Western Persians are very similar to the Copper Aae Iranic/Aryan people. Our DNA didn't change much for the last 3000 years. I compared my DNA with Aryan DNA from Copper Age from Zagros and it is very similar to each other.

[MS85]

I don't like wiki, but just read 'In Iranian literature' part: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan

It is clearly that the ancient Medes, Persians and Parthians were Aryans. And modern Kurds and Persians are direct descendants of those ancient Aryans (Medes, Persians and Parthians). Our modern DNA is similar to the ancient Medes/Parthians/Persians.


https://i.postimg.cc/bY3J9jMr/Indo-Aryan-migration-into-Nepal.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/QxCM6yGb/Dionysius-Map405-BC.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/yNm6gqcV/eratosthenes.jpg

[Fibonacci]

The original aryans were obvious Europeans. They didnt looked like modern Iranians. Iranians are a middle eastern looking people who look similar to arabs, or pakistanis, etc.

Genetics aside, proto Iranians can't be claimed by anyone other than Iranic people. They transfered their entire identity over to the new lands which they conquered. I think the Europeans here are a bit too depressed about their own history so they try and steal other people's history.

In your logic, Turkish people should drop their Turkic identity and become a mix of Armenians and Greeks because most Turkish people don't have anything to do with any Turkic tribe genetically speaking.

Genetics don't matter anymore, it's about identity. Europeans have absolutely nothing to do with proto Iranians in that case. Don't bother claiming central Asian Iranian tribes.

[MS85]

Genetics don't matter anymore, it's about identity. Europeans have absolutely nothing to do with proto Iranians in that case. Don't bother claiming central Asian Iranian tribes.Actually genetics do matter a lot!

We, Kurds and Persians, call ourselves Aryans since the dawn of time and our DNA didn't change much for the last 3000 years!

Central Asiatic Iranian tribes were just mixed Eastern Iranians, nothing special about them. Real ARYANS were the Medes & Persians who were just NATIVE to the Iranian Plateau/Zagros Mountains. We are native to ARYAN lands like our ancient direct ancestors the Medes.


My whole history is breathing ARYANISM. To begin with my Aryan religion of Yezidism/Mihtraism and my Aryan language, our Aryan history of the Median MAGI, our rituals, culture, values, everything about us and our history is Aryanism.


https://i.postimg.cc/mgM1w5Cn/Ganj-Dareh.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/B6hjb9fj/Indo-European-demic-diffusion-model-A-ph-D-dissertation-2017.jpg

[Viçwamitra]

Learn basic geography, PIE was restricted to the Eastern European steppe and Proto-Aryans (most scientists agree on Andronovo as the Aryan homeland) represents an eastern expansion of the Central European Corded Ware culture via Abashevo, and guess what, these 'Central Asians' were genetically very similar, some of them nearly indistinguishable from modern-day Northern Europeans.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zN03Oc2iKt0/WvAFmFCvzBI/AAAAAAAAGtQ/kI9cN7DTHYISXTvjPXZSxqW4__pUFULNQCLcBGAs/s1600/Sintashta_PCA.png
Central European Corded Ware -> Abashevo -> Sintashta -> Andronovo -> Harappan destruction and consequent mixing with natives -> Brahmin mongrels, i reckon even idiots like you can understand this timeline. Vedic gods such as Indra, Agni, Dyaus, Shiva, Devas and Asuras concept - great part of your religion has cognates in native European religion and, therefore, must have originated in Europe.

Don't teach me my history bhangi Latino. Your retarded kind got butt fucked by 500 spanish men who raped your women and killed of men of your race that's why bastardized mongrels of Como estas were bon like you.

PIE is a created myth, a "reconstruction" because west Euros were feeling jealous that they are descendants of Middle eastern farmers who got raped by supposed Asian invaders.

There's no mention of any place north if south central asia in our book we have written over thousands of years. We have existed for thousands of years while you are a rape child born as *Iberian conquests on your red monkey mothers. As a good bastard first find who your real father is as mongrels like you are still today born when white men from West visit your country for cheap sex.

[Viçwamitra]

It cracks me up when insecure wannabe-Aryans from Europe trying to enrich their history from stealing other people's history to make themselves feel better and special

He is not even european, he is a bastard. His entire race is mongrels born out from spanish rapes on native Latino women.

To compensate for his tiny eyes and dark bron skin he goes around claiming to be german lol.

[Viçwamitra]

Her paternal line is I1. So not even a real Aryan.

I see, over compensating for her Tribal ancestors who got Aryanized by Central Asians lol.

So we have a Wog from Fucking Wogzil who LARP as pureblood german and we have this lady from land of hun Turks who have tribal hunter gatherers as her ancestors.

Do you see the pattern? Due to their useless and uncivilized past they are fetishizing others civilization, culture and trying to create myths such as "reconstructing" new language and families to connect their pathetic kinds to Great civilization of Asia and Middle East.

Hell, to hide their Middle eastern Neolithic Ancestry they are creating new theories to prove that we wuz Steppe warriors as well just like C,Q and R1a_z93 not dirty ME farmers lol.

Unfortunately for them I am a Brahmin and I speak Sanskrit, when I compare their so called "similar worlds" I understand what they are trying to do.

[J. Ketch]

He is not even european, he is a bastard. His entire race is mongrels born out from spanish rapes on native Latino women.

To compensate for his tiny eyes and dark bron skin he goes around claiming to be german lol.
Token is a true Saxon. He's posted his genetic results many times.

Would like to see the gedmatch results of the 'true Aryan' Indians and Middle Easterners here.

[Fibonacci]

Actually genetics do matter a lot!

We, Kurds and Persians, call ourselves Aryans since the dawn of time and our DNA didn't change much for the last 3000 years!

Central Asiatic Iranian tribes were just mixed Eastern Iranians, nothing special about them. Real ARYANS were the Medes & Persians who were just NATIVE to the Iranian Plateau/Zagros Mountains. We are native to ARYAN lands like our ancient direct ancestors the Medes.


My whole history is breathing ARYANISM. To begin with my Aryan religion of Yezidism/Mihtraism and my Aryan language, our Aryan history of the Median MAGI, our rituals, culture, values, everything about us and our history is Aryanism.


https://i.postimg.cc/mgM1w5Cn/Ganj-Dareh.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/B6hjb9fj/Indo-European-demic-diffusion-model-A-ph-D-dissertation-2017.jpg

Prior to the Iranian migration to west Asia, the Iranian plateau was inhabited by Mesopotamian peoples such as elam. Elamites spoke an isolated language most likely related to Sumerian. They didn't speak the Indo European languages which Iranians speak today. Infact, much of their genetic purity, culture and language died off and replaced by invading Iranian tribes.

'Aryan' is a term brought down into Iran by Iranian tribes. Those tribes were the Medes and Persians who physically migrated into the Iranian plateau from central Asia. Their ancestors were from andronovo. Persian itself is descendant from Avestan which is an eastern Iranian language from central asia.

Pre Iranic Iran was inhabited by more or less Mesopotamian farmers. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing Iranic or Aryan about neolithic farmers. All those terms and languages come from Iranic tribes from the north.

[J. Ketch]

Don't teach me my history bhangi Latino. Your retarded kind got butt fucked by 500 spanish men who raped your women and killed of men of your race that's why bastardized mongrels of Como estas were bon like you.

PIE is a created myth, a "reconstruction" because west Euros were feeling jealous that they are descendants of Middle eastern farmers who got raped by supposed Asian invaders.

There's no mention of any place north if south central asia in our book we have written over thousands of years. We have existed for thousands of years while you are a rape child born as *Iberian conquests on your red monkey mothers. As a good bastard first find who your real father is as mongrels like you are still today born when white men from West visit your country for cheap sex.
How the hell can an Indian be so conceited (and call others mongrels). I'm in awe.

[Viçwamitra]

My paternal line is R1a*, daddy of all modern R1a. Truen that Original Aryans were not I1 at all, but I'm sure that the paternal DNA of Aryans was diverse, like J2a, G2a, L, R1a, R1b, T etc.

That's cool man, is the true that oldest R lineage came from area near altic mountains ?

[Viçwamitra]

How the hell can an Indian be so conceited (and call others mongrels). I'm in awe.


I am an Awe as well, how can a self hating race from Middle eastern farming and native tribal ancestors go thousands of miles away to find their real fathers because they dont like their real ancestor is amazing to me.

[MS85]

He is not even european, he is a bastard. His entire race is mongrels born out from spanish rapes on native Latino women.

To compensate for his tiny eyes and dark bron skin he goes around claiming to be german lol.Do you know what is more funny?

Listen, as an Ezdi, my ancestors were never Muslims, I’m not a Muslim and I will never become a Muslim. To each their own. But the most funny thing is that some ‘centric’ Europeans think that Christianity is supreme above Islam because Islam is ‘Middle Eastern’. The point is that Christianity is also Middle Eastern. Jesus was a historic figure with Jewish roots and Christians believe in a Semitic Thora GOD. Those who don’t consider themselves Christians anymore are very much interested in SouthCentral religions like Buddhism and Vedic Hinduism. Some of them try to ‘Europize’ Buddha or even the Vedic GODS.

This is how the world is and always will be. It is the survival of the fittest. Those who survive make history. Power to the people!

[MS85]

That's cool man, is the true that oldest R lineage came from area near altic mountains ?It is possible, because they found ancient R1 in that region and the related hg. Q is also from that area.

[Viçwamitra]

Absolutely not, Indo Aryans resembled modern Iranians, they were never blonde, the Andronovo and Sintashta were European HG’s who got assimilated by Yamnaya like brown folks.

The rigved is written by 6 brahmin clans, the book of Indo-Aryans with their history, conquest and civilization as preserved time capsule.

My ancestor, vishwamitra(the guy in my avatar) is one of the brahmin clan that took Bharatas(Vedic tribe, in our native languagename of India is Bharat) from the west bank of Indus to all the way near delhi as a conquest. He have marked his entire journey in our family book 3 of rigved.

He said that Native proof that region were Anaryas but he never claimed that he or bharatas were light haired or Light eyed in any of his hymns.

I agree with you guys, Aryans were light skinned but dark eyed and haired people. Even yamuna dna shows 20%+ West Asian input that shows that original haryana were Robust Caucasoids with dark hair and eyes.

[MS85]

Prior to the Iranian migration to west Asia, the Iranian plateau was inhabited by Mesopotamian peoples such as elam. Elamites spoke an isolated language most likely related to Sumerian. They didn't speak the Indo European languages which Iranians speak today. Infact, much of their genetic purity, culture and language died off and replaced by invading Iranian tribes.

'Aryan' is a term brought down into Iran by Iranian tribes. Those tribes were the Medes and Persians who physically migrated into the Iranian plateau from central Asia. Their ancestors were from andronovo. Persian itself is descendant from Avestan which is an eastern Iranian language from central asia.

Pre Iranic Iran was inhabited by more or less Mesopotamian farmers. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing Iranic or Aryan about neolithic farmers. All those terms and languages come from Iranic tribes from the north.No, Elamites lived near the Persian Gulf. Aryans lived in an area under the Caspian Sea.

Medes came never from Andronovo. The Medes were magnificent Aryans but even they were not that magnificent to have airplanes. Aryan Medes were just native to Kurdistan. We have got ancient Copper Age DNA from Kurdistan and it is very similar to modern Kurds.


Before the era of Medes there were other proto-Aryans like the Mitanni and Kassites in Kurdistan. Mitanni/Kassites evolved from Guti and other northern Aryan Sumerians. The Medes themselves evolved from people like the Aryan Kassites and Aryan Mitanni. Before the Medes Kurdistan was already populated by the Aryans.


Aryan Sumerians/Guti -> Aryan Mitanni/Kassites -> Aryan Medes -> Aryan Ezdi/Kurds

[Viçwamitra]

Token is a true Saxon. He's posted his genetic results many times.

Would like to see the gedmatch results of the 'true Aryan' Indians and Middle Easterners here.

I will one day, I want to take this tests as well. :)

[MS85]

The Medes spoke a NorthWest Iranian (Aryan) language. That language was NEVER spoken in the Steppes at all. The NorthWest Iranian (Aryan) language of the Medes and Kurds came into the existence in Kurdistan.

Aryan and proto-Aryan languages are ERGATIVE languages native to the Iranian Plateau..

[J. Ketch]

I am an Awe as well, how can a self hating race from Middle eastern farming and native tribal ancestors go thousands of miles away to find their real fathers because they dont like their real ancestor is amazing to me.
Isn't that what Out of India/Asia theorists claim, that the Proto Indo-Europeans who gave their language and Y-DNA to Western Europeans were brown Asians?

[Viçwamitra]

It is possible, because they found ancient R1 in that region and the related hg. Q is also from that area.

That makes everything more complicated.

[Viçwamitra]

Isn't that what Out of India/Asia theorists claim, that the Proto Indo-Europeans who gave their language and Y-DNA to Western Europeans were brown Asians?


No OIT claim that Aryanz were from North west India(India valley civilization)they dont know about Western europeans.

[Viçwamitra]

The Medes spoke a NorthWest Iranian (Aryan) language. That language was NEVER spoken in the Steppes at all. The NorthWest Iranian (Aryan) language of the Medes and Kurds came into the existence in Kurdistan.

Aryan and proto-Aryan languages are ERGATIVE languages native to the Iranian Plateau..

An you tell me why Some population of Afghanistan, Tajikistan and parts of iran have light eyes and hairs when original yamnaya-Aryans were olive skinned, Brown eyed and black haired ?

[MS85]

That makes everything more complicated.Why? R1 is very old and predate the last glacial maximum (Wisconsin glaciation)

It is maybe more than 27000 years old. I think that 27000 years ago there was not such thing as 'Aryans'. :thumb001:

[MS85]

An you tell me why Some population of Afghanistan, Tajikistan and parts of iran have light eyes and hairs when original yamnaya-Aryans were olive skinned, Brown eyed and black haired ?There are many theories how it came into Kurdistan and Iran. It has been said that ancient Armenians and Neolithic Anatolian farmers had fair features. Fair feature do also exist all over the Northern Caucasus. There was a migration of the Scythians/Sarmatians and Cimmerians from the Northern Caucasus into Kurdistan during the era of the Medes.

Light features in SouthCentral Asia are mostly from Central Asian East Iranian Scythians (Saka) who had links to more ancient Andronovo Horizon and later from (Turkified) Slavic (proto-Russian) people. People in Andronovo were heavily mixed but they had fair complexion of their features.


I think that the Neolithic Iranian farmers from the Iranian Plateau were dark skinned, while the Neolithic Anatolian farmers were light skinned.


Kurdistan
Fair complexion = Neolithic Anatolian Farmers + Anatolian people like the Armenians + Scythians and Cimmerians from Northern Caucasus.
Dark complexion = aboriginal Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers.


South Central Asia
Fair complexion = Saka, Turkic/Slavic groups from the historic Andronovo Horizon area
Darker complexion = BMAC, Indus Valley
Darkest complexion = Dravidians

[Dorian]

I am an Awe as well, how can a self hating race from Middle eastern farming and native tribal ancestors go thousands of miles away to find their real fathers because they dont like their real ancestor is amazing to me.

http://madplanet.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/chistilshik-kanalizacii-india.jpg

[Viçwamitra]

http://madplanet.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/chistilshik-kanalizacii-india.jpg

I love it when wogs of Southern Europe try hard to fit in with their Nordic mastars.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcT5yV72dhs2Kj8t0UvGTFxuQJnz14N 2A8orlihLGzuUBYjHYP3o

Why so serious my arab brother ?

[Dorian]

I love it when wogs of Southern Europe try hard to fit in with their Nordic mastars.



Why so serious my arab brother ?

Ah,very predictable persona...
I don't like nordicists either but when it comes to outsider subhumans things become funny but anyways I'll keep a cent for you ,come clean my toilet :laugh:

[Viçwamitra]

There are many theories how it came into Kurdistan and Iran. It has been said that ancient Armenians and Neolithic Anatolian farmers had fair features. Fair feature do also exist all over the Northern Caucasus. There was a migration of the Scythians/Sarmatians and Cimmerians from the Northern Caucasus into Kurdistan during the era of the Medes.

Light features in SouthCentral Asia are mostly from Central Asian East Iranian Scythians (Saka) who had links to more ancient Andronovo Horizon and later from (Turkified) Slavic (proto-Russian) people. People in Andronovo were heavily mixed but they had fair complexion of their features.


I think that the Neolithic Iranian farmers from the Iranian Plateau were dark skinned, while the Neolithic Anatolian farmers were light skinned.


Kurdistan
Fair complexion = Neolithic Anatolian Farmers + Anatolian people like the Armenians + Scythians and Cimmerians from Northern Caucasus.
Dark complexion = aboriginal Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers.


South Central Asia
Fair complexion = Saka, Turkic/Slavic groups from the historic Andronovo Horizon area
Darker complexion = BMAC, Indus Valley
Darkest complexion = Dravidians

I guess you are right.

First Aryans who came to India-Iran were like Yamaha people, olive to light skin, Black hair and eyes. Some were light eyed as well I assume.

Both upper caste Indians and Original Persians, Medes shows these traits.

Also yamnayas were semi nomadic and pastoralist people. Rigved is written by pastoralist people who were obsessed with Cow(Gaudhan), milk, Horses and carts and Chariots.

Later some of these people assimilated light eyed and haired people of other european culture and formed Scythian nomadic Confederacy who Invaded Central, South Asia and Iran and spread their genes among pashtuns, Jats, Tajiks etc and made them even lighter tha their Yamnaya ancestors.

[Viçwamitra]

Ah,very predictable persona...
I don't like nordicists either but when it comes to outsider subhumans things become funny but anyways I'll keep a cent for you ,come clean my toilet :laugh:

You are whoring your women around in North europe for cash you don't have money to hire us.

We have defeated your a Greek ancestors when they came to India and took their princess as wives.

There was a king of India named pushyamitra, from my own tribe who massacred over 100000 Greeks and took their women as sex slaves. He also destroyed 8000 Greek stupas and built temples there.

He also declared that he will give 100 good coins for head of a greek-buddhist head.

We literally killedyour brothers, Took your women as sex slaves and children as toilet cleaners over 2000 years ago. You guys are our professional toilet cleaners.

We are brahmins, we used your women like ottoman used your women in your own lands. That's why you have brown skin.

You haye your skin so with your OWD you have nordic heros and go around ab using other brown people because you want to become part of white european identity.

[dosas]

snip

Post dna results/picture or gtfo, clown.

[Dorian]

I am inbred
https://media.tenor.com/images/86ce5cd9bbfc2565d57a1a5a30d4c550/tenor.gif

[Viçwamitra]

Post dna results/picture or gtfo, clown.



https://media.tenor.com/images/86ce5cd9bbfc2565d57a1a5a30d4c550/tenor.gif

thats all you inbred cucks can do. cry like a bitch lol.

look at me, my ancestors(or one i should say) from my own tribe massacred your males, enslaved your children and used your women as sex slaves in number of over 1,00,000+, what you do ? cry like a bitch after getting BTFOed by others. no wonder Arabs and turks did same thing to you.

now you are coping hard by having nordic heroes and OWD complex for having Dark skin.

he is an inspiration for me i and people of my tribe try hard to be like him.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-z4I8W3Lx84E/WWmXuOssrtI/AAAAAAAABAU/hkqBtDsZ1uEyxOohSJVS-oWQ8jC_AVm-gCLcBGAs/s1600/19956606_129991350933924_6113724900293272069_o.jpg

may our Gods Bless his noble soul and give him highest place in Haven.


"Amen" lol.

[Dorian]

I'm not that cheap,I want 2 cents otherwise I won't clean your toilet


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYWSXRUGxDQ

[Fibonacci]

No, Elamites lived near the Persian Gulf. Aryans lived in an area under the Caspian Sea.

Medes came never from Andronovo. The Medes were magnificent Aryans but even they were not that magnificent to have airplanes. Aryan Medes were just native to Kurdistan. We have got ancient Copper Age DNA from Kurdistan and it is very similar to modern Kurds.


Before the era of Medes there were other proto-Aryans like the Mitanni and Kassites in Kurdistan. Mitanni/Kassites evolved from Guti and other northern Aryan Sumerians. The Medes themselves evolved from people like the Aryan Kassites and Aryan Mitanni. Before the Medes Kurdistan was already populated by the Aryans.


Aryan Sumerians/Guti -> Aryan Mitanni/Kassites -> Aryan Medes -> Aryan Ezdi/Kurds


Iranian languages didnt evolve out of the middle east. Everything you're saying is complete garbage.
The language you speak shares more similairties with european langauges than arabic and hebrew next door. your language didnt pop out of the iraqi desert. it was brought down by a tribe of people who conquered and spread various forms of their proto indo european language into europe and west asia.

you're genetically the same as the semetic farmers who once inhabited the iraqi desert. kassites, sumerians and elamites never spoke any iranian languages. we have proof of what they spoke and its the same old semitic sounding garbage you hear in the rest of the middle east.
they were genetically semites which makes you a semite, you just happen to speak a different langauge.

[Viçwamitra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYWSXRUGxDQ

you are a born as bastard of us, your kind was used as toilet cleaners by us thats the historical fact, cope more bitch.

[Dorian]

This is my response Greko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiau25stTyQ

aa

[Viçwamitra]

aa

cope more greecuck. :lol; your mothers were our sex slaves. :lol:

cry more, i am enjoying this, this is the reality of your kind, all you can do is cry like bitch.

[Dorian]

Respect us Greko,we civilized you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH7v-zuB17I

:eek:

[Viçwamitra]

:eek:

today you are peaking to me because of numerals that we created greecuck, remove our numerals and this internet, your pc and this entire modern civilization will collapse.

you maybe civilized your tribal people in north, but we civilized your kind.

you were only good as sex slave provider to us and always will be.

this is the pure and raw male behavior, something your kind only witnessed when we massacred you and Turko-Arab conquered you for centuries lol.

[Dorian]

this is the pure and raw male behavior https://www.thebetterindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/17904159_1925460304365987_3236682093758879293_n.jp g

:eek:

[Viçwamitra]

:eek:

athens

https://www.dw.com/image/39306223_303.jpg

your entire greek history is filled with faggotry lol, i bet your greek fathers enjoyed it when we massacred them and took their women in front of them lol.

in every field your kind is inferior to us, you can try but you cant beat us. this is your possibly 25th post trying to one up me in last 2 hours but you again failed, like your cuck-fag fathers when we came for your mothers and sisters lol.

[Lehel]

today you are peaking to me because of numerals that we created greecuck, remove our numerals and this internet, your pc and this entire modern civilization will collapse.

you maybe civilized your tribal people in north, but we civilized your kind.

you were only good as sex slave provider to us and always will be.

this is the pure and raw male behavior, something your kind only witnessed when we massacred you and Turko-Arab conquered you for centuries lol.

Why are you so mad Pajeet? You're out of curry or something?

[MS85]

Iranian languages didnt evolve out of the middle east. Everything you're saying is complete garbage.
The language you speak shares more similairties with european langauges than arabic and hebrew next door. your language didnt pop out of the iraqi desert. it was brought down by a tribe of people who conquered and spread various forms of their proto indo european language into europe and west asia.

you're genetically the same as the semetic farmers who once inhabited the iraqi desert. kassites, sumerians and elamites never spoke any iranian languages. we have proof of what they spoke and its the same old semitic sounding garbage you hear in the rest of the middle east.
they were genetically semites which makes you a semite, you just happen to speak a different langauge.I never said that Aryan language evolved in a Iraqi desert. Aryan language is from the Zagors Mountains.

Do some research and you will find out that Sumerians/Guti -> Mitanni/Kassites etc. came from the Iranian Plateau/Zagros Mountains.

Like I said as an Aryan my DNA (and of Kuds in general) is mostly a mixture of Neolithic eastern Anatolian farmers + Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers = ARYANS.

Who of them is Semitic? Neolithic eastern Anatolian farmers or Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers? As far as I know Semites are from the Levant and the Arabian Peninsula.

[hush2019]

I never said that Aryan language evolved in a Iraqi desert. Aryan language is from the Zagors Mountains.

Do some research and you will find out that Sumerians/Guti -> Mitanni/Kassites etc. came from the Iranian Plateau/Zagros Mountains.

Like I said as an Aryan my DNA (and of Kuds in general) is mostly a mixture of Neolithic eastern Anatolian farmers + Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers = ARYANS.

Who of them is Semitic? Neolithic eastern Anatolian farmers or Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers? As far as I know Semites are from the Levant and the Arabian Peninsula.

Semites are not from the Levant the Hittie and Philistines were. Neolithic Anatolian farmers were from Anatolia before the Middle to late bronze age when Anatolian farmers spread across the Levant they were Anatolian in ethnic origin.

No such thing as the Iranian Plateau do you know what the word Plateau means? It means the surrounding of. The Iranian Plateau surrounds North Iran what it is, is the Pontian Caspian Steppes.

[hush2019]

I never said that Aryan language evolved in a Iraqi desert. Aryan language is from the Zagors Mountains.

Do some research and you will find out that Sumerians/Guti -> Mitanni/Kassites etc. came from the Iranian Plateau/Zagros Mountains.

Like I said as an Aryan my DNA (and of Kuds in general) is mostly a mixture of Neolithic eastern Anatolian farmers + Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers = ARYANS.

Who of them is Semitic? Neolithic eastern Anatolian farmers or Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers? As far as I know Semites are from the Levant and the Arabian Peninsula.

Also quit with the Aryan shit. Scandinavians are Aryans ''Iranians'' are Persians and Kurds they're Iranid.

[hush2019]

And please stop printing out homosexual Indian men that no one wants to actually see. Off topic like a muh fudda

[Fibonacci]

Also quit with the Aryan shit. Scandinavians are Aryans ''Iranians'' are Persians and Kurds they're Iranid.

How can Scandinavians be Aryans when Aryan was a term developed by Iranian speaking tribes in eastern europe/central asia? That's like calling Germans Russians. Aryan is not a term in any Scandinavian language while it appears under Iranic languages in various forms

[hush2019]

How can Scandinavians be Aryans when Aryan was a term developed by Iranian speaking tribes in eastern europe/central asia? That's like calling Germans Russians. Aryan is not a term in any Scandinavian language while it appears under Iranic languages in various forms

It's sanskrit meaning noble. So because some Asian people want to call themselves Aryans it must mean that they are. No Aryans are Northern Europeans lol not Indians Pakis and Kurds are you nuts? Lol.

[Fibonacci]

What a pointless thread. The proto Indo Europeans were already mixed peoples prior to expansion. They were composed of ANE, EHG and CHG. By the time they settled in central Asia, they were 30% west Asian with the rest being European. The term Aryan was developed by proto Iranian tribes, Hence the name Iranian. Aryan and Iranian are synonymous. Iranic is not part of the europid race, therefore no European can't claim them. Easy as that

[MS85]

Semites are not from the Levant the Hittie and Philistines were. Neolithic Anatolian farmers were from Anatolia before the Middle to late bronze age when Anatolian farmers spread across the Levant they were Anatolian in ethnic origin.

No such thing as the Iranian Plateau do you know what the word Plateau means? It means the surrounding of. The Iranian Plateau surrounds North Iran what it is, is the Pontian Caspian Steppes.Hittites were Anatolian folks. Their capital was in Anatolia. They belonged to the Anatolian Indo-Europeans.

What? There is no such thing as the Iranian Plateau? Are you serious??? This is a GEOGRAPHICAL term and a simple fact! Plateau is assoisated with the MOUNTAINS.

https://i.postimg.cc/qR9WM5R8/Simplified-geological-map-of-the-Iranian-plateau-and-its-structu.png

[hush2019]

What a pointless thread. The proto Indo Europeans were already mixed peoples prior to expansion. They were composed of ANE, EHG and CHG. By the time they settled in central Asia, they were 30% west Asian with the rest being European. The term Aryan was developed by proto Iranian tribes, Hence the name Iranian. Aryan and Iranian are synonymous. Iranic is not part of the europid race, therefore no European can't claim them. Easy as that

The Indo Europeans were not North Europeans but from various Pontian races including South and North Slavic and also Mediterranean

[hush2019]

Hittites were Anatolian folks. Their capital was in Anatolia. They belonged to the Anatolian Indo-Europeans.

What? There is no such thing as the Iranian Plateau? Are you serious??? This is a GEOGRAPHICAL term and a simple fact! Plateau is assoisated with the MOUNTAINS.

https://i.postimg.cc/qR9WM5R8/Simplified-geological-map-of-the-Iranian-plateau-and-its-structu.png
Hittites spread throughout the Levant from the Middle to Late bronze age they were called Syro Hittites. The Iranian Plateau just described the areas surrounding North Iran they are not a race, neither is it anything to do with the Indo Europeans.

You try to connect every living soul in Iran to these type of people in reality the only real Iranians are Persians and Kurds

[MS85]

Also quit with the Aryan shit. Scandinavians are Aryans ''Iranians'' are Persians and Kurds they're Iranid.Aryans have nothing to do with the Scandinavians at all.

Scandinavians don't speak an Aryan laguage as their native language and they have no connection at all to the Aryan civilizations like the Median Empire or a region AriaVejah from the Avestan Gathas..

[hush2019]

Aryans have nothing to do with the Scandinavians at all.

Scandinavians don't speak an Aryan laguage as their native language and they have no connection at all to the Aryan civilizations like the Median Empire or a region AriaVejah from the Avestan Gathas..

It's what people think when they think of Aryans not people that should own a corner shop.

[MS85]

Hittites spread throughout the Levant from the Middle to Late bronze age they were called Syro Hittites. The Iranian Plateau just described the areas surrounding North Iran they are not a race, neither is it anything to do with the Indo Europeans.

You try to connect every living soul in Iran to these type of people in reality the only real Iranians are Persians and KurdsAryans are from the Iranian Plateau. Kurdish Zagros Mountains are on the Iranian Plateau. Kurds are native to their Zagros Mountains.

The Hittite imperial city Hattusa is located in Anatolia, their ORIGINAL kingdom was in Anatolia. Later they expanded to other regions. Original Hittites have NOTHING to do with the Levant. Hittites were related to the Iranic people, but they were not Iranians. Hittites were Anatolians, but worked together with the Iranians, like with the Mitanni/Kassites.


Persians and Kurds are WEST Iranian people. Persians are SouthWest Iranians, while Kurds are NorthWest Iranian. There are also East Iranians etc.

[hush2019]

Aryans are from the Iranian Plateau. Kurdish Zagros Mountains are on the Iranian Plateau. Kurds are native to their Zagros Mountains.

The Hittite imperial city Hattusa is located in Anatolia, their ORIGINAL kingdom was in Anatolia. Later they expanded to other regions. Original Hittites have NOTHING to do with the Levant. Hittites were related to the Iranic people, but they were not Iranians. Hittites were Anatolians, but worked together with the Iranians, like with the Mitanni/Kassites.


Persians and Kurds are WEST Iranian people. Persians are SouthWest Iranians, while Kurds are NorthWest Iranian. There are also East Iranians etc.

Hittites were not Iranid people they were racially Pontian Mediterranean they don't have anything to do with people in the Levant? No they were Anatolians from Anatolia, but they did settle in other regions in the Levant during the middle to Late Bronze Age during the early Bronze Age they inhabited Anatolia. I don't think you know what the Levant is, you're trying to connect it to race but many people have inhabited that region. Both Jews and Arabs inhabited that region during the Iron Age, so what before then? There have been records of other people existing in those regions before then. The Semite Armenoid races come from the Caucasus again during the Iron Age from Middle Asia or the Middle East. The Arabs from the Gulf are significantly more Negroid

[hush2019]

Aryans are from the Iranian Plateau. Kurdish Zagros Mountains are on the Iranian Plateau. Kurds are native to their Zagros Mountains.

The Hittite imperial city Hattusa is located in Anatolia, their ORIGINAL kingdom was in Anatolia. Later they expanded to other regions. Original Hittites have NOTHING to do with the Levant. Hittites were related to the Iranic people, but they were not Iranians. Hittites were Anatolians, but worked together with the Iranians, like with the Mitanni/Kassites.


Persians and Kurds are WEST Iranian people. Persians are SouthWest Iranians, while Kurds are NorthWest Iranian. There are also East Iranians etc.

Kurds are not North West Iranian North West Iranians are Iranian Azerbaijanis. Kurds are like Persians you're South West Asian.

[MS85]

Kurds are not North West Iranian North West Iranians are Iranian Azerbaijanis. Kurds are like Persians you're South West Asian.No, Kurdish is classified as a NORTH West Iranian langauge, like the Aryan language of the Medes. Iranian Azerbaijanis speak Turkic as their native language. It is not about the geography but about what kind of language the one speaks

[hush2019]

And the Arabid races are from a nomadic Bedouin race.

[hush2019]

No, Kurdish is classified as a NORTH West Iranian langauge, like the Aryan language of the Medes. Iranian Azerbaijanis speak Turkic as their native language. It is not about the geography but about what kind of language the one speaks

So what you inhabited Eastern Anatolia and you're like South Iranians who are Persians lol

[MS85]

Hittites were not Iranid people they were racially Pontian Mediterranean they don't have anything to do with people in the Levant? No they were Anatolians from Anatolia, but they did settle in other regions in the Levant during the middle to Late Bronze Age during the early Bronze Age they inhabited Anatolia. I don't think you know what the Levant is, you're trying to connect it to race but many people have inhabited that region. Both Jews and Arabs inhabited that region during the Iron Age, so what before then? There have been records of other people existing in those regions before then. The Semite Armenoid races come from the Caucasus again during the Iron Age from Middle Asia or the Middle East. The Arabs from the Gulf are significantly more NegroidSemites or Afro-Asiatic people are evolved not far from the either in the Levant (Israel) or an area around the Red Sea.

Hittites were native to Anatolia and were mostly a mixture of Pontid and Armenoid stock with heavy Iranid (Aryan) influences. To my understand the Armenoid race is just native to Anatolia and can be seen as an Anatolian race. But true, Anatolia is part of the Middle East or more precisely West Asia.

Armenoid = aboriginal Anatolian

[hush2019]

Semites or Afro-Asiatic people are evolved not far from the either in the Levant (Israel) or an area around the Red Sea.

Hittites were native to Anatolia and were mostly a mixture of Pontid and Armenoid stock with heavy Iranid (Aryan) influences. To my understand the Armenoid race is just native to Anatolia and can be seen as an Anatolian race. But true, Anatolia is part of the Middle East or more precisely West Asia.

Armenoid = aboriginal Anatolian

The Hittites were Pontian Mediterranean and they resemble the pre historic Greeks there are enough quotes online to back that up. No again, Hittites were PIES Armenoids were Semites they were not from Anatolia but they inhabited the Steppes during the Bronze Age. Both Modern Armenians and Pontian Greeks are close to them racially in a modern sense the Armenoid races did not even exist until the Iron Age so what you're saying is historically and racially impossible.

[hush2019]

Semites or Afro-Asiatic people are evolved not far from the either in the Levant (Israel) or an area around the Red Sea.

Hittites were native to Anatolia and were mostly a mixture of Pontid and Armenoid stock with heavy Iranid (Aryan) influences. To my understand the Armenoid race is just native to Anatolia and can be seen as an Anatolian race. But true, Anatolia is part of the Middle East or more precisely West Asia.

Armenoid = aboriginal Anatolian

Armenoid Iron Age West Asian.

Red Sea pre historic coastal North Africa.

[MS85]

So what you inhabited Eastern Anatolia and you're like South Iranians who are Persians lolNo, Eastern Anatolia (Taurus Montainst)/Northern Mesopotamia is just 1 part of Kurdistan. Other parts of EASTERN Kurdistan (in Iran) is Zagros Mountains.

https://i.postimg.cc/SNyHQ5fp/Anatolian-Plate.png


It is a well know fact that Kurds are NorthWest Iranian people. Kurds speak a NorthWest Iranian language. Persians are SouthWest Iranians and speak a SouthWest Iranian.

Kurds = North West Iranian = Aryan
Persians = South West Iranian = Aryan

Just do some research before saying something. How can I argue with you if you are so ignorant about the Aryans and when you don't even know some basic stuff?

[MS85]

Armenoid Iron Age West Asian.

Red Sea pre historic coastal North Africa.Armenoide = aboriginal Anatolid people. Look at the ancient Hittites noses, very Armenoide noses


What? Red Sea is not North Africa. But it is between West Africa and Arabia.

https://i.postimg.cc/ncJ9XKXx/red-sea-1-e1532451296925.png


Levant = Israel, Lebanon.


Semitic race is either from the Levant or from an area around the Red Sea. Nothing to do with the Aryan Mountains..

[Token]

What a pointless thread. The proto Indo Europeans were already mixed peoples prior to expansion. They were composed of ANE, EHG and CHG. By the time they settled in central Asia, they were 30% west Asian with the rest being European. The term Aryan was developed by proto Iranian tribes, Hence the name Iranian. Aryan and Iranian are synonymous. Iranic is not part of the europid race, therefore no European can't claim them. Easy as that
Yeah, they were a mix of EHG and CHG, but if you go back enough everyone is a mix of different peoples so this doesn't matters. Indo-Europeans in Central Asia only began absorbing local admixture during the Late Bronze Age. Here is one sample from Bronze Age Kashkarchi, Ferghana Valley, on the doorstep of India - indeed a lot of West Asian admixture :laugh:

Kashkarchi_BA

1 Baltic 37.39
2 North_Atlantic 35.93
3 West_Asian 17.85
4 South_Asian 4.85
5 Amerindian 3.97

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 17.15
2 North_Swedish 17.36
3 Southwest_Finnish 17.7
4 Polish 17.73
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.79
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.98
7 Russian_Smolensk 18.75
8 Ukrainian 18.75
9 Hungarian 18.78
10 East_German 18.83
11 Southwest_Russian 18.87
12 Finnish 18.9
13 Swedish 19.24
14 North_German 19.64
15 Austrian 19.67
16 Belorussian 19.76
17 Estonian 19.77
18 Croatian 19.92
19 Kargopol_Russian 20.11
20 Estonian_Polish 20.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.4% Southwest_Finnish + 28.6% Tabassaran @ 9.74
2 79.2% Southwest_Finnish + 20.8% Balochi @ 10.1
3 79.8% Southwest_Finnish + 20.2% Brahui @ 10.27
4 72.5% North_Swedish + 27.5% Tabassaran @ 10.36
5 73.3% Southwest_Finnish + 26.7% Lezgin @ 10.49
6 77.2% Southwest_Finnish + 22.8% Kalash @ 10.63
7 70.3% Finnish + 29.7% Tabassaran @ 10.83
8 74.3% North_Swedish + 25.7% Lezgin @ 10.85
9 73.7% Southwest_Finnish + 26.3% Chechen @ 10.86
10 78% North_Swedish + 22% Kalash @ 10.87
11 80% Southwest_Finnish + 20% Makrani @ 10.88
12 75.3% Southwest_Finnish + 24.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.88
13 80.4% North_Swedish + 19.6% Balochi @ 10.95
14 69.1% Estonian + 30.9% Tabassaran @ 11.05
15 81% North_Swedish + 19% Brahui @ 11.08
16 74.6% North_Swedish + 25.4% Chechen @ 11.18
17 78.5% Finnish + 21.5% Balochi @ 11.34
18 76.3% North_Swedish + 23.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 11.34
19 79.1% Finnish + 20.9% Brahui @ 11.53
20 81.2% North_Swedish + 18.8% Makrani @ 11.62

Compare to German Corded Ware sample. During the Bronze Age, people from Northern Europe to Central Asia were virtually identical:
1 North_Sea 33.68
2 Eastern_Euro 19.61
3 Atlantic 19.2
4 West_Asian 12.76
5 Baltic 11.29
6 Amerindian 2.16
7 South_Asian 1.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Swedish 12.49
2 North_German 14.24
3 Swedish 14.28
4 Norwegian 14.43
5 Southwest_Finnish 14.63
6 Danish 14.81
7 North_Dutch 15.55
8 Finnish 15.65
9 East_German 15.72
10 West_Norwegian 15.74
11 West_German 16.78
12 West_Scottish 17.23
13 Irish 17.49
14 Orcadian 17.55
15 South_Dutch 17.62
16 Hungarian 17.63
17 Southeast_English 17.75
18 East_Finnish 18.18
19 Southwest_English 18.51
20 Austrian 18.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.1% North_Swedish + 22.9% Tabassaran @ 6.85
2 78.9% North_Swedish + 21.1% Lezgin @ 7.41
3 79.9% North_Swedish + 20.1% Chechen @ 7.57
4 74.7% Norwegian + 25.3% Tabassaran @ 8.26
5 82.2% North_Swedish + 17.8% Adygei @ 8.3
6 82.6% North_Swedish + 17.4% Ossetian @ 8.34
7 75.1% Swedish + 24.9% Tabassaran @ 8.39
8 81.6% North_Swedish + 18.4% Kabardin @ 8.44
9 82.9% North_Swedish + 17.1% North_Ossetian @ 8.49
10 85.3% North_Swedish + 14.7% Abhkasian @ 8.54
11 72.5% West_Norwegian + 27.5% Tabassaran @ 8.58
12 82.3% North_Swedish + 17.7% Balkar @ 8.6
13 81.2% North_Swedish + 18.8% Kumyk @ 8.68
14 76.4% Norwegian + 23.6% Lezgin @ 8.69
15 84.7% North_Swedish + 15.3% Georgian @ 8.7
16 76.9% Swedish + 23.1% Lezgin @ 8.89
17 74.2% West_Norwegian + 25.8% Lezgin @ 8.93
18 77.7% Norwegian + 22.3% Chechen @ 9.1
19 82.8% North_Swedish + 17.2% Afghan_Pashtun @ 9.28
20 78.3% Swedish + 21.7% Chechen @ 9.3

So yeah, it is not incorrect to say Proto-Iranians were Europeans and more specifically Northern Europeans. Cope with it.

[MS85]

So yeah, it is not incorrect to say Proto-Iranians were Europeans and more specifically Northern Europeans. Cope with it.Proto-Iranians came from the Zagros. Later on they migrated into the BMAC area and found an Aryan Civilizaion in SouthCentral Asia. Some of them migrated into the Indus Valley and found the Indus Valley civilization.

Aryans from BMAC heavily influenced the people in Central Asia Steppes. The learned Central Asian Steppes people farming, metallurgy etc.

[hush2019]

Red Sea coastal North Africa Egypt.

Hittites were the same as Armenians and Pontian Greeks they didn't have Hook noses that's Assyrians not Hitties.
Are you purposely stupid? The Levant did not breed Semites the Caucasus did during the Iron Age. The philistines and hittites inhabited the Levant during the Bronze Age they were PIES so did the Philistines

[hush2019]

Armenoide = aboriginal Anatolid people. Look at the ancient Hittites noses, very Armenoide noses


What? Red Sea is not North Africa. But it is between West Africa and Arabia.

https://i.postimg.cc/ncJ9XKXx/red-sea-1-e1532451296925.png


Levant = Israel, Lebanon.


Semitic race is either from the Levant or from an area around the Red Sea. Nothing to do with the Aryan Mountains..
Levant Lebanon Syria Palestine Western Turkey.

The French broke it up it was Greater Syria before then. Semite races came from the Caucasus not the Levant. You're not Aryans you're Pakis from Asia stop that now.

[hush2019]

Yeah, they were a mix of EHG and CHG, but if you go back enough everyone is a mix of different peoples so this doesn't matters. Indo-Europeans in Central Asia only began absorbing local admixture during the Late Bronze Age. Here is one sample from Bronze Age Kashkarchi, Ferghana Valley, on the doorstep of India - indeed a lot of West Asian admixture :laugh:

Kashkarchi_BA

1 Baltic 37.39
2 North_Atlantic 35.93
3 West_Asian 17.85
4 South_Asian 4.85
5 Amerindian 3.97

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 17.15
2 North_Swedish 17.36
3 Southwest_Finnish 17.7
4 Polish 17.73
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.79
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.98
7 Russian_Smolensk 18.75
8 Ukrainian 18.75
9 Hungarian 18.78
10 East_German 18.83
11 Southwest_Russian 18.87
12 Finnish 18.9
13 Swedish 19.24
14 North_German 19.64
15 Austrian 19.67
16 Belorussian 19.76
17 Estonian 19.77
18 Croatian 19.92
19 Kargopol_Russian 20.11
20 Estonian_Polish 20.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.4% Southwest_Finnish + 28.6% Tabassaran @ 9.74
2 79.2% Southwest_Finnish + 20.8% Balochi @ 10.1
3 79.8% Southwest_Finnish + 20.2% Brahui @ 10.27
4 72.5% North_Swedish + 27.5% Tabassaran @ 10.36
5 73.3% Southwest_Finnish + 26.7% Lezgin @ 10.49
6 77.2% Southwest_Finnish + 22.8% Kalash @ 10.63
7 70.3% Finnish + 29.7% Tabassaran @ 10.83
8 74.3% North_Swedish + 25.7% Lezgin @ 10.85
9 73.7% Southwest_Finnish + 26.3% Chechen @ 10.86
10 78% North_Swedish + 22% Kalash @ 10.87
11 80% Southwest_Finnish + 20% Makrani @ 10.88
12 75.3% Southwest_Finnish + 24.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.88
13 80.4% North_Swedish + 19.6% Balochi @ 10.95
14 69.1% Estonian + 30.9% Tabassaran @ 11.05
15 81% North_Swedish + 19% Brahui @ 11.08
16 74.6% North_Swedish + 25.4% Chechen @ 11.18
17 78.5% Finnish + 21.5% Balochi @ 11.34
18 76.3% North_Swedish + 23.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 11.34
19 79.1% Finnish + 20.9% Brahui @ 11.53
20 81.2% North_Swedish + 18.8% Makrani @ 11.62

Compare to German Corded Ware sample. During the Bronze Age, people from Northern Europe to Central Asia were virtually identical:
1 North_Sea 33.68
2 Eastern_Euro 19.61
3 Atlantic 19.2
4 West_Asian 12.76
5 Baltic 11.29
6 Amerindian 2.16
7 South_Asian 1.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Swedish 12.49
2 North_German 14.24
3 Swedish 14.28
4 Norwegian 14.43
5 Southwest_Finnish 14.63
6 Danish 14.81
7 North_Dutch 15.55
8 Finnish 15.65
9 East_German 15.72
10 West_Norwegian 15.74
11 West_German 16.78
12 West_Scottish 17.23
13 Irish 17.49
14 Orcadian 17.55
15 South_Dutch 17.62
16 Hungarian 17.63
17 Southeast_English 17.75
18 East_Finnish 18.18
19 Southwest_English 18.51
20 Austrian 18.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.1% North_Swedish + 22.9% Tabassaran @ 6.85
2 78.9% North_Swedish + 21.1% Lezgin @ 7.41
3 79.9% North_Swedish + 20.1% Chechen @ 7.57
4 74.7% Norwegian + 25.3% Tabassaran @ 8.26
5 82.2% North_Swedish + 17.8% Adygei @ 8.3
6 82.6% North_Swedish + 17.4% Ossetian @ 8.34
7 75.1% Swedish + 24.9% Tabassaran @ 8.39
8 81.6% North_Swedish + 18.4% Kabardin @ 8.44
9 82.9% North_Swedish + 17.1% North_Ossetian @ 8.49
10 85.3% North_Swedish + 14.7% Abhkasian @ 8.54
11 72.5% West_Norwegian + 27.5% Tabassaran @ 8.58
12 82.3% North_Swedish + 17.7% Balkar @ 8.6
13 81.2% North_Swedish + 18.8% Kumyk @ 8.68
14 76.4% Norwegian + 23.6% Lezgin @ 8.69
15 84.7% North_Swedish + 15.3% Georgian @ 8.7
16 76.9% Swedish + 23.1% Lezgin @ 8.89
17 74.2% West_Norwegian + 25.8% Lezgin @ 8.93
18 77.7% Norwegian + 22.3% Chechen @ 9.1
19 82.8% North_Swedish + 17.2% Afghan_Pashtun @ 9.28
20 78.3% Swedish + 21.7% Chechen @ 9.3

So yeah, it is not incorrect to say Proto-Iranians were Europeans and more specifically Northern Europeans. Cope with it.

The Indo Europeans were from the ''Pontian Steppes'' most of the so called Indo European haplogroups come from the Steppes. R1a is heavily Steppe

[MS85]

Red Sea coastal North Africa Egypt.

Hittites were the same as Armenians and Pontian Greeks they didn't have Hook noses that's Assyrians not Hitties.
Are you purposely stupid? The Levant did not breed Semites the Caucasus did during the Iron Age. The philistines and hittites inhabited the Levant during the Bronze Age they were PIES so did the PhilistinesWhat?

Semitic is part of the Afro-Asiatic language family. Afro-Asiatics has nothing to do with the Caucasus. People in the Caucasus don't speak Semitic or any form of Afro-Asiatic.


As you can see Afro-Asiatic is concetrated in Levant and around the Red Sea. NOTHING to do with the Caucasus.

https://i.postimg.cc/w3K9rYGP/Bfoyy-Be-Ih-Tp-Nn-Yem9-JRJUK0-Ociy-IFw5o-V50-Gf-Ojd-DPc.png


Like I said proto-Semtiic is either from the Levant (Israel) or an area around the Red Sea.

[MS85]

You're not Aryans you're Pakis from Asia stop that now.I'm an real full blooded ARYAN native to Kurdistan. :D

[hush2019]

What?

Semitic is part of the Afro-Asiatic language family. Afro-Asiatics has nothing to do with the Caucasus.


As you can see Afro-Asiatic is concetrated in Levant and around the Red Sea. NOTHING to do with the Caucasus.

https://i.postimg.cc/w3K9rYGP/Bfoyy-Be-Ih-Tp-Nn-Yem9-JRJUK0-Ociy-IFw5o-V50-Gf-Ojd-DPc.png


Like I said proto-Semtiic is either from the Levant (Israel) or an area around the Red Sea.

Do you know where the Red Sea is located it spread throughout the Levant then the coastal parts of North Africa then South Italy/Sicily. The Red Sea marker is E1b1b or E3b you have not clue about what you're talking about.

Also. Semite/Armenoid races came from the Caucasus during the Iron Age just because Jews and Arabs inhabit now modern day Levant doesn't mean they originally come from there. Philistines Hittites Armenians etc all inhabited the Levant before Jews and Arabs. There are traces of Armenian inhabitants in Palestine from like 7,000 years ago way before the Hebrews. Arabs come from Middle Asia the Middle East is Middle Asia. Literally they would be Arabid not Armenoid

[Token]

Proto-Iranians came from the Zagros. Later on they migrated into the BMAC area and found an Aryan Civilizaion in SouthCentral Asia. Some of them migrated into the Indus Valley and found the Indus Valley civilization.

Aryans from BMAC heavily influenced the people in Central Asia Steppes. The learned Central Asian Steppes people farming, metallurgy etc.

You keep repeating this bullshit like a parrot without providing anything to back up your claims, you are a failure.

[MS85]

Do you know where the Red Sea is located it spread throughout the Levant then the coastal parts of North Africa then South Italy/Sicily. The Red Sea marker is E1b1b or E3b you have not clue about what you're talking about.

Also. Semite/Armenoid races came from the Caucasus during the Iron Age just because Jews and Arabs inhabit now modern day Levant doesn't mean they originally come from there. Philistines Hittites Armenians etc all inhabited the Levant before Jews and Arabs. There are traces of Armenian inhabitants in Palestine from like 7,000 years ago way before the Hebrews. Arabs come from Middle Asia the Middle East is Middle Asia. Literally they would be Arabid not ArmenoidWhat are you talking about??

Hittites, Armenians etc. are all Anatolian people. Hittites spoke an Anatolian language.


Semites are native to their lands since forever. The homeland of the Arabs is somewhere in Yemen. That makes Arabs native to the Arabian Peninsula. It doesn't matter how mixed Arabs are and how much African DNA they have. They are from the Arabian Peninsula. Levant was has Always been Semitic. Palestina was even part of Egypt in the ancient times. Levant has always been Semitic.


People in the Caucasus don't speek and NEVER spoke any form of Semitic. Semitic is either from the Levant or the Red Sea.


Armenoide race is not from the Caucasus, but it is from Anatolia. Armenoide race is a native aborigianal Anatolian race. The Hittites as native Anatolian people partly belonged to that race.

[MS85]

double post

[MS85]

You keep repeating this bullshit like a parrot without providing anything to back up your claims, you are a failure.Do some research on BMAC. Read what Sarianidi wrote about BMAC. BMAC has always been assosiated with the Eastern Aryans.

After they found out that BMAC was genetically West Asian in nature many people are now trying to ignore BMAC, lol.

[hush2019]

What are you talking about??

Hittites, Armenians etc. are all Anatolian people. Hittites spoke an Anatolian language.


Semites are native to their lands since forever. The homeland of the Arabs is somewhere in Yemen. That makes Arabs native to the Arabian Peninsula. It doesn't matter how mixed Arabs are and how much African DNA they have. They are from the Arabian Peninsula. Levant was has Always been Semitic. Palestina was even part of Egypt in the ancient times. Levant has always been Semitic.


People in the Caucasus don't speek and NEVER spoke any form of Semitic. Semitic is either from the Levant or the Red Sea.


Armenoide race is not from the Caucasus, but it is from Anatolia. Armenoide race is a native aborigianal Anatolian race. The Hittites as native Anatolian people partly belonged to that race.
Since the Iron Age not forever. The Iron Age is a new period.

[hush2019]

You keep repeating this bullshit like a parrot without providing anything to back up your claims, you are a failure.

He can't back it up. He's a mud who's determined to slag off genuine Whites or Indo Europeans here. Just like the European Jews here and other mongrels that should not be on a forum label cultural European heritage. They have nothing to do with cultural European heritage. Jews Kurds Persians and yes ethnic Arabs have nothing to do with European culture and history neither do Turks Cubans and other idiots here.

What are they trying to do convince us all they're an Aryan so what? So you can stream our cities with your ''Aryan Zoroastian'' crap and rape our women? Who cares what shade of Brown non Europeans are here?

[hush2019]

You can piss off with forum along with the Jews and Turks you all do not belong here.

[MS85]

Since the Iron Age not forever. The Iron Age is a new period.No, really forever. During the era of the Sumerians, there were already Semitic people.

Semites from the Levant and Arabia attacked the Sumerians located to north of them. Akkadians predate Iron Age. Semitic Akkadian Empire is from the Bronze Age. Also ancestors of the Assyrians came to the Mesopotamia from the Levant and Arabia already before the Bronze Age.


Iron Age = 1200 BCE
Semitic Akkadian Empire = 2400 BCE

So, Semites were already in Levant and Arabistan BEFORE the Iron Age, lol

[Fibonacci]

Yeah, they were a mix of EHG and CHG, but if you go back enough everyone is a mix of different peoples so this doesn't matters. Indo-Europeans in Central Asia only began absorbing local admixture during the Late Bronze Age. Here is one sample from Bronze Age Kashkarchi, Ferghana Valley, on the doorstep of India - indeed a lot of West Asian admixture :laugh:

Kashkarchi_BA

1 Baltic 37.39
2 North_Atlantic 35.93
3 West_Asian 17.85
4 South_Asian 4.85
5 Amerindian 3.97

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 17.15
2 North_Swedish 17.36
3 Southwest_Finnish 17.7
4 Polish 17.73
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.79
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.98
7 Russian_Smolensk 18.75
8 Ukrainian 18.75
9 Hungarian 18.78
10 East_German 18.83
11 Southwest_Russian 18.87
12 Finnish 18.9
13 Swedish 19.24
14 North_German 19.64
15 Austrian 19.67
16 Belorussian 19.76
17 Estonian 19.77
18 Croatian 19.92
19 Kargopol_Russian 20.11
20 Estonian_Polish 20.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.4% Southwest_Finnish + 28.6% Tabassaran @ 9.74
2 79.2% Southwest_Finnish + 20.8% Balochi @ 10.1
3 79.8% Southwest_Finnish + 20.2% Brahui @ 10.27
4 72.5% North_Swedish + 27.5% Tabassaran @ 10.36
5 73.3% Southwest_Finnish + 26.7% Lezgin @ 10.49
6 77.2% Southwest_Finnish + 22.8% Kalash @ 10.63
7 70.3% Finnish + 29.7% Tabassaran @ 10.83
8 74.3% North_Swedish + 25.7% Lezgin @ 10.85
9 73.7% Southwest_Finnish + 26.3% Chechen @ 10.86
10 78% North_Swedish + 22% Kalash @ 10.87
11 80% Southwest_Finnish + 20% Makrani @ 10.88
12 75.3% Southwest_Finnish + 24.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.88
13 80.4% North_Swedish + 19.6% Balochi @ 10.95
14 69.1% Estonian + 30.9% Tabassaran @ 11.05
15 81% North_Swedish + 19% Brahui @ 11.08
16 74.6% North_Swedish + 25.4% Chechen @ 11.18
17 78.5% Finnish + 21.5% Balochi @ 11.34
18 76.3% North_Swedish + 23.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 11.34
19 79.1% Finnish + 20.9% Brahui @ 11.53
20 81.2% North_Swedish + 18.8% Makrani @ 11.62

Compare to German Corded Ware sample. During the Bronze Age, people from Northern Europe to Central Asia were virtually identical:
1 North_Sea 33.68
2 Eastern_Euro 19.61
3 Atlantic 19.2
4 West_Asian 12.76
5 Baltic 11.29
6 Amerindian 2.16
7 South_Asian 1.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Swedish 12.49
2 North_German 14.24
3 Swedish 14.28
4 Norwegian 14.43
5 Southwest_Finnish 14.63
6 Danish 14.81
7 North_Dutch 15.55
8 Finnish 15.65
9 East_German 15.72
10 West_Norwegian 15.74
11 West_German 16.78
12 West_Scottish 17.23
13 Irish 17.49
14 Orcadian 17.55
15 South_Dutch 17.62
16 Hungarian 17.63
17 Southeast_English 17.75
18 East_Finnish 18.18
19 Southwest_English 18.51
20 Austrian 18.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.1% North_Swedish + 22.9% Tabassaran @ 6.85
2 78.9% North_Swedish + 21.1% Lezgin @ 7.41
3 79.9% North_Swedish + 20.1% Chechen @ 7.57
4 74.7% Norwegian + 25.3% Tabassaran @ 8.26
5 82.2% North_Swedish + 17.8% Adygei @ 8.3
6 82.6% North_Swedish + 17.4% Ossetian @ 8.34
7 75.1% Swedish + 24.9% Tabassaran @ 8.39
8 81.6% North_Swedish + 18.4% Kabardin @ 8.44
9 82.9% North_Swedish + 17.1% North_Ossetian @ 8.49
10 85.3% North_Swedish + 14.7% Abhkasian @ 8.54
11 72.5% West_Norwegian + 27.5% Tabassaran @ 8.58
12 82.3% North_Swedish + 17.7% Balkar @ 8.6
13 81.2% North_Swedish + 18.8% Kumyk @ 8.68
14 76.4% Norwegian + 23.6% Lezgin @ 8.69
15 84.7% North_Swedish + 15.3% Georgian @ 8.7
16 76.9% Swedish + 23.1% Lezgin @ 8.89
17 74.2% West_Norwegian + 25.8% Lezgin @ 8.93
18 77.7% Norwegian + 22.3% Chechen @ 9.1
19 82.8% North_Swedish + 17.2% Afghan_Pashtun @ 9.28
20 78.3% Swedish + 21.7% Chechen @ 9.3

So yeah, it is not incorrect to say Proto-Iranians were Europeans and more specifically Northern Europeans. Cope with it.

At least you've established that those samples both contain a significant amount of west Asian. Drop the argument and quit stating you have full claim on those people. Proto Iranians spoke Iranian languages, they were Iranian peoples. No one in Europe speaks an Iranian language nor is Iranic part of the greater European race. Cope with that fact that you can't claim any Iranic speaking community. Scythians, proto Iranians, neither of these groups belong to you people. Genetics or not, identity is identity and their identity is simply not European.

[hush2019]

No, really forever. During the era of the Sumerians, there were already Semitic people.

Semites from the Levant and Arabia attacked the Sumerians located to north of them. Akkadians predate Iron Age. Semitic Akkadian Empire is from the Bronze Age. Also ancestors of the Assyrians came to the Mesopotamia from the Levant and Arabia already before the Bronze Age.


Iron Age = 1200 BCE
Semitic Akkadian Empire = 2400 BCE

So, Semites were already in Levant and Arabistan BEFORE the Iron Age, lol

You're from Arabistan Semites came from the Caucasus during the Iron Age, no there is no evidence of Semites inhabiting the Levant before then. Akkadian was from Iraq. So now it's about Saddam Hussein is it? I see. I don't see what Arabs have to do with Kurds Kurds and Persians are like Arabs mixed with Pakistanis.

http://johndenugent.com/images/aryans-spread-sumerian-blue-eyes.jpg

The Indo Europeans came from around the Black Sea ( near the Balkans ) and Caspian Sea near the Steppes 8,000 years ago. No LOL Hittites were PIE and related to Pontian Greeks and Armenians

https://www.johndenugent.com/gay-killing-muslim-was-wife-beating-closet-queer-himself-islam-arabs-jews-and-neanderthals/

Read this article he quotes several books that write about the Armenoids who spread from the Caucasus during the Middle East from the Iron Age onwards. No Semites existed during the Bronze Age at least not in the Levant.

[hush2019]

But you can turn this into Iraq and Saddam if you want.

[MS85]

Proto-Aryans spoke an ERGATIVE language. Ergativity doesn;t exist in Northern Euope or the Steppes.

In the ancient times NorthEast Europe and the Steppes were populated by the Mongoloid/Sibiric/Uralic/Finno-Ugric people. EHG is partly a Mongoloid auDNA component.

[Dorian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk3TxLkKox4

:eek:

[Oghuz]

At least you've established that those samples both contain a significant amount of west Asian. Drop the argument and quit stating you have full claim on those people. Proto Iranians spoke Iranian languages, they were Iranian peoples. No one in Europe speaks an Iranian language nor is Iranic part of the greater European race. Cope with that fact that you can't claim any Iranic speaking community. Scythians, proto Iranians, neither of these groups belong to you people. Genetics or not, identity is identity and their identity is simply not European.

Sag ol !

How credible is the information that Aryan = Steppe migrants + BMAC Iranic ? The R1a Z93 is like in very high numbers among Tajik Persians of that region.

Phenotypically they also look like Iranid and Irano nordoids which makes sense as the Aryan mixtures with Iranian Neolithic Farmers and ASI in North India gave rise to elongated skull Nord indid phenotype.

[zarzian]

Kurds are not North West Iranian North West Iranians are Iranian Azerbaijanis. Kurds are like Persians you're South West Asian.

You as a untermensch slav should shut the fuck up, you have no rights to any history other then being excellent farmers and servants, just because you are of white skin it doesn’t mean you get to bask in glory, your ancestors have been slaves and servants through out history.

[MS85]

You're from Arabistan Semites came from the Caucasus during the Iron Age, no there is no evidence of Semites inhabiting the Levant before then. Akkadian was from Iraq. So now it's about Saddam Hussein is it? I see. I don't see what Arabs have to do with Kurds Kurds and Persians are like Arabs mixed with Pakistanis.

http://johndenugent.com/images/aryans-spread-sumerian-blue-eyes.jpg

The Indo Europeans came from around the Black Sea ( near the Balkans ) and Caspian Sea near the Steppes 8,000 years ago. No LOL Hittites were PIE and related to Pontian Greeks and Armenians

https://www.johndenugent.com/gay-killing-muslim-was-wife-beating-closet-queer-himself-islam-arabs-jews-and-neanderthals/

Read this article he quotes several books that write about the Armenoids who spread from the Caucasus during the Middle East from the Iron Age onwards. No Semites existed during the Bronze Age at least not in the Levant.
Lol. Now I'm sure you are just trolling here, since you can't digest the truth.

I don't know who you are, but I was an Aryan, I'm an Aryan and I will alwasy be an Aryan.


Indo-Europeans are not Aryans. Aryans are the Iranic people. ARYANS = IRANIAN

Hittites were not PIE. Hittites were Anatolian Indo-European (IE) people.

https://i.postimg.cc/xdvZRBws/Semitic-languages-Chronology.png


Just 1 of many Semitic tribes who lived in the Levant before Iron Age: the Amorites

[hush2019]

You as a untermensch slav should shut the fuck up, you have no rights to any history other then being excellent farmers and servants, just because you are of white skin it doesn’t mean you get to bask in glory, your ancestors have been slaves and servants through out history.

Untermansch Slav so what is some Pakistani mixed with an Iraqi going to be? What exactly have Persians and Kurds done to anything. Persianas got their ass kicked by Greeks. Slavs don't come from Iran or India they come from the Pontian Steppes if you think the genuine Indo Europeans like Slavs and Mediterranean are so bad stop trying to claim we are related, we aren't. You don't see Hungarians or Bulgarians claiming they are related to Turks and other yellow mongrels do you? You aren't shit.

[hush2019]

Lol. Now I'm sure you are just trolling here, since you can't digest the truth.

I don't know who you are, but I was an Aryan, I'm an Aryan and I will alwasy be an Aryan.


Indo-Europeans are not Aryans. Aryans are the Iranic people. ARYANS = IRANIAN

Hittites were not PIE. Hittites were Anatolian Indo-European (IE) people.

https://i.postimg.cc/xdvZRBws/Semitic-languages-Chronology.png


Just 1 of many Semitic tribes who lived in the Levant before Iron Age: the Amorites
From Assyria Iraq yes. Who now inhabit the East part of Anatolia you guys took over in Turkey lol. No one cares about what Saddam did to you apart from you from and Arabs, this isn't a place for that.

[MS85]

You as a untermensch slav should shut the fuck up, you have no rights to any history other then being excellent farmers and servants, just because you are of white skin it doesn’t mean you get to bask in glory, your ancestors have been slaves and servants through out history.Please, don't lower yourself to the level of other people. Don't insult other races if you don't agree with somebody who belongs to a particular race. 1st we don't know for sure who the people were are in discussion really are and to what ethnicity the do belong and 2nd those people don't represent their race. There are good and bad people in every race.

[Oghuz]

You as a untermensch slav should shut the fuck up, you have no rights to any history other then being excellent farmers and servants, just because you are of white skin it doesn’t mean you get to bask in glory, your ancestors have been slaves and servants through out history.

One of the consistent most troll on this thread (which btw could have been a great informative thread) is an under age white supremacist teenager who thinks Iranians are Semites lol. This is internet and anyone can say anything so we should not mind. I generally respect everyone and that includes white people (Christian Caucasians of Europe).

anyways,

Iranian neolithic farmers created IVC
Iranian BMAC+ steppe = Aryans created Vedic Civilization

[hush2019]

Caananites were a type of people as well. They did not inhabit the Levant before the Philistines the Philistines were the first recorded people there then the Hittites then the Caananites etc Caananites inhabited Caanan way later then the Philistines Philistines are even mentioned in the Bible. Assyrians established a state in Iraq. But we all know how you Kurds are so cuddled up with Iraqis especially during the 80s :D

[MS85]

From Assyria Iraq yes. Who now inhabit the East part of Anatolia you guys took over in Turkey lol. No one cares about what Saddam did to you apart from you from and Arabs, this isn't a place for that.I trully don't understand what you are talking about.

All I know is that the Levant and the Arabian Peninsula has always been Semitic. Right, no one cares about Saddam, neither do I. He is six feet under now.

https://i.postimg.cc/kG854J6J/1920px-Semitic-languages-svg.png

[hush2019]

One of the consistent most troll on this thread (which btw could have been a great informative thread) is an under age white supremacist teenager who thinks Iranians are Semites lol. This is internet and anyone can say anything so we should not mind. I generally respect everyone and that includes white people (Christian Caucasians of Europe).

anyways,

Iranian neolithic farmers created IVC
Iranian BMAC+ steppe = Aryans created Vedic Civilization

Your Middle Eastern you're Arabs like Iraqis mixed with Pakistanis/North Indians. This is your gene pool. I am 34 years old not a teenanger you're close to teenage years then me. All you keep doing is spamming this thread repeating that Arabs are Semites the Indo Europeans come from Iran and Kurds are Aryan all of those statements are incorrect.

Jews are Semitic. Arabs can be Semitic ( if they have Jewish ancestors yes it happens ) or Arabid ( if they have original tribal ancestors )

Kurds Persians are related you're South West Asian this does not make you Aryan since we all don't speak Sanskrit anymore Slavs use Cyrillic alphabets. It makes you Iranid.

Yes the Hittites are Indo Europeans and related to Pontian Greeks and other PIES.


Assyrians are Semitic yes, they inhabited Iraq. Now they inhabited the part of East Anatolia what Kurds did not take from them too. Slavs Greeks and other Indo Europeans come from the Pontian Steppes, not the Iranian Plateau a plateau means the surrounding of Slavs do not come from Iran and the Indo Europeans do not come from Iran they came from Anatolia and other parts of the Steppes.

You know nothing, and will repeat yourself like a child so there is no point in keep repeating yourself.

The only reason why you hate Arabs and you repeat Arabs are Semities and Persians and Kurds are Aryan is because you, yourself dislike Arabs because Arabs kicked your ass twice, didn't they? Once during the Islamic empire and second during the Gulf wars with Saddam. If you are Aryan you have zero Aryan spirit. Please be quiet and go.

[hush2019]

Go and join some Pan Euro site with the Jews Albanians Turks and other non entities go and talk about Pan Aryanism there.

[zarzian]

Untermansch Slav so what is some Pakistani mixed with an Iraqi going to be? What exactly have Persians and Kurds done to anything. Persianas got their ass kicked by Greeks. Slavs don't come from Iran or India they come from the Pontian Steppes if you think the genuine Indo Europeans like Slavs and Mediterranean are so bad stop trying to claim we are related, we aren't. You don't see Hungarians or Bulgarians claiming they are related to Turks and other yellow mongrels do you? You aren't shit.

Iranians have been genetically stable since atleast the Bronze age you stupid fuck and Persians have achieved far more per capita then you farmer slavs for sure, through out history your kind has been taken as slaves and canon fodder thats all.

[MS85]

Calm down, the insults toward Iranic people doesn't make Iranic people less ARYAN.

Like I said, we were ARYANS, we are ARYANS and we will always be ARYANS. Words can't describe how proud I'm of my direct ARYAN ancesors, the Magi Medes.


ARYANISM forever!