Classify Indian tribals from Orissa

[Thambi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Jt7LSA3eg

[lameduck]

veddoids

[Borealis]

Aside from color they don’t look much different to my mom. Many are sharper features actually.

[Thambi]

veddoids

could they pass in pakistan even among dalits?

[Thambi]

Aside from color they don’t look much different to my mom. Many are sharper features actually.

I've seen pics of your mom when younger, havent seen her when older. I think only commonality iirc is the mongoloid shift. many of these tribals look quite mongoloid influenced actually. If she does vaguely resemble them, there might be some tribal mix from her side. But it could be some mix from mughals/nizams since they also tend to have mongoloid shift

[Leatherdaddy]

They look basically basal South Asians without Iranian and scythian/Indo European influences

[Thambi]

So they look basically basal South Asians without Iranian and scythian/Indo European influences

pretty much. Along with some mongoloid influence.

[lameduck]

could they pass in pakistan even among dalits?

to me they look like less caucasoid version of thar tribals from sindh Pakistan

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZrVdvhWsAEboSv.jpg

[Leatherdaddy]

pretty much. Along with some mongoloid influence.

I believe that's how the first gypsys looked like

[Thambi]

I believe that's how the first gypsys looked like

no probably not. Gypsies were low castes, these are tribals. They were lower castes from northwestern india and they most likely had about the same iran neolithic as upper/mid castes. Differences were that gypsies had higher south asian and lower steppe/euro compared to upper/mid castes from that region. These tribal people have both lower steppe and iran neolithic, but high south asian and some decent mongoloid mix.

Gypsies when they left subcontinent probably looked something like this, or the ones above posted by lameduck
https://d1u4oo4rb13yy8.cloudfront.net/article/75740-yxkewcngry-1512494283.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7338/2140/1600/Bant%20Singh%27s%20daughter.jpg

[lameduck]

no probably not. Gypsies were low castes, these are tribals. They were lower castes from northwestern india and they most likely had about the same iran neolithic as upper/mid castes. Differences were that gypsies had higher south asian and lower steppe/euro compared to upper/mid castes from that region. These tribal people have both lower steppe and iran neolithic, but high south asian and some decent mongoloid mix.

Gypsies when they left subcontinent probably looked something like this, or the ones above posted by lameduck
https://d1u4oo4rb13yy8.cloudfront.net/article/75740-yxkewcngry-1512494283.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7338/2140/1600/Bant%20Singh%27s%20daughter.jpg

some more North Western low castes, I have seen this phenotype a lot among them
https://www.dawn.com/news/1173232
http://i.dawn.com/primary/2015/04/551b982ee989e.jpg?r=515865997

[Thambi]

some more North Western low castes, I have seen this phenotype a lot among them
https://www.dawn.com/news/1173232
http://i.dawn.com/primary/2015/04/551b982ee989e.jpg?r=515865997

ok yeah your examples are better i think. The video below has indian gypsies from rajasthan. They resemble these pakistanis than the indian punjabi dalits. Beautiful people I must say.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNUYGRn3W9Q

[lameduck]

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[lameduck]

ok yeah your examples are better i think. The video below has indian gypsies from rajasthan. They resemble these pakistanis than the indian punjabi dalits. Beautiful people I must say.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNUYGRn3W9Q

A Pakistani Punjabi guy was telling me that these People moved to cities in Large numbers to escape persecution in villages where it is difficult to hide identities, thats why you find lot more dark People in cities like Lahore than in villages of Pak Punjab.

[Oghuz]

A Pakistani Punjabi guy was telling me that these People moved to cities in Large numbers to escape persecution in villages where it is difficult to hide identities, thats why you find lot more dark People in cities like Lahore than in villages of Pak Punjab.

birthrate of Iranic pakistanis is higher than rest right ?

[lameduck]

birthrate of Iranic pakistanis is higher than rest right ?

yeah , but this doesnt mean that their are some dark communities in the country

[Oghuz]

yeah , but this doesnt mean that their are some dark communities in the country

How much time will it take in your opinion that Iranic paks will be the majority in pakistan ?

[lameduck]

How much time will it take in your opinion that Iranic paks will be the majority in pakistan ?

tbh terms like iranic can be subjective as well, I sometimes post just common lighter than average Pakistani Punjabi females and people start giving them iranic classification.Similarly Quite a few Sindhis look like darker Balochs.
If we count only Pashun and Baloch ancestry people as iranic than I would say by 2050 there would be 35-65 in favour of indic speakers. It also depends a lot on how Afghanistan's future enfolds. But one thing we can say for sure that Pakistan has largest numbers of iranic speakers after Iran.

[Oghuz]

tbh terms like iranic can be subjective as well, I sometimes post just common lighter than average Pakistani Punjabi females and people start giving them iranic classification.Similarly Quite a few Sindhis look like darker Balochs.
If we count only Pashun and Baloch ancestry people as iranic than I would say by 2050 there would be 35-65 in favour of indic speakers. It also depends a lot on how Afghanistan's future enfolds. But one thing we can say for sure that Pakistan has largest numbers of iranic speakers after Iran.

I was talking about people with Iranic or psuedo Iranic phenotypes like Iranid, Proto Iranid, Irano Afghan, Pamiri, Irano Nordid etc ... These types do exist in Pakistan I believe. Someone told me that they have far higher birthrate than Indid Pakistanis so they will become majority in future. As an Iranian, I look forward to that day.

[lameduck]

I was talking about people with Iranic or psuedo Iranic phenotypes like Iranid, Proto Iranid, Irano Afghan, Pamiri, Irano Nordid etc ... These types do exist in Pakistan I believe. Someone told me that they have far higher birthrate than Indid Pakistanis so they will become majority in future. As an Iranian, I look forward to that day.

Yeah Iranic and similar people have much higher birthrate since they are rural , but Pakistan is a massive massive country with a population of over 200 million so it will take generations to alter demography. Also iranian plateau has been traditionally less populated than indian subcontinent so Indics have a starting advantage. But whole Wesern part of Pakistan is pred iranic so they are indeed majority in a sizeable part of country.

btw do you consider this phenotype as pseudo iranid?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?286526-Classify-Pakistani-Sports-Journalist-Fazeela-Saba-Sheikh

[Borealis]

I've seen pics of your mom when younger, havent seen her when older. I think only commonality iirc is the mongoloid shift. many of these tribals look quite mongoloid influenced actually. If she does vaguely resemble them, there might be some tribal mix from her side. But it could be some mix from mughals/nizams since they also tend to have mongoloid shift

LOL.
You’re a funny guy

[Thambi]

LOL.
You’re a funny guy

why is that funny?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS7GvFM9MYw

[Borealis]

why is that funny?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS7GvFM9MYw

I just feel like you often downplay how South Asian me and my family look. But you have good intentions


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[Thambi]

I just feel like you often downplay how South Asian me and my family look. But you have good intentions


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Thats because when i first saw your family pics, your dad, aunties/relatives, etc they looked like typical pakistanis. Thats what I'm basing my observations on.

[Borealis]

My mom definitely doesn’t. I think those relatives that you’re speaking of(paternal) probably look closer to Central indian Muslims or Brahmins than pakis
Thats because when i first saw your family pics, your dad, aunties/relatives, etc they looked like typical pakistanis. Thats what I'm basing my observations on.