View Full Version : Do turks looks more southern european than mena ?
Visage pâle
04-18-2019, 11:20 AM
I think they look like 2/3 southern Europe 1/3 mena.
Blondie
04-18-2019, 11:23 AM
+20% asian
MinervaItalica
04-18-2019, 11:37 AM
No, definitely more MENA.
Tenma de Pegasus
04-18-2019, 11:39 AM
Lebaneses look more euro
Someone posted a video of lebanese parties last month and many of them could pass in Southeast Europe.
Nazarene
04-18-2019, 11:40 AM
Lebanese pass well as Southern Europeans indeed.
Nazarene
04-18-2019, 11:40 AM
Turks look more MENA to me
Gangrel
04-18-2019, 11:40 AM
Lebaneses look more euro
Someone posted a video of lebanese parties last month and many of them could pass in Southeast Europe.
Sikeliot is doing work :rofl_002::rofl_002:
Visage pâle
04-18-2019, 11:41 AM
Lebanese pass well as Southern Europeans indeed.
Much less.
Tenma de Pegasus
04-18-2019, 11:43 AM
Sikeliot is doing work :rofl_002::rofl_002:
Im not Sikeliot kkk, but really, lebaneses deserve their place as the most euro of non euros.
Gangrel
04-18-2019, 11:46 AM
Im not Sikeliot kkk, but really, lebaneses deserve their place as the most euro of non euros.
Never implied you were. Sikeliot had an agenda of making Lebanese seem like they were just southern europeans (even though only a minority can pass in southern europe). You are clueless if you think Lebs look more Euro than Turks. You could have just said 'I don't know shit' and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Tenma de Pegasus
04-18-2019, 11:50 AM
Video posted last month
https://youtu.be/-CQ5vrzc-8E
Everybody with eyes can see lebaneses are lighter than Cypriots, Malteses and other euro islands.
21993
04-18-2019, 11:50 AM
I think they look like 2/3 southern Europe 1/3 mena.
Do we look more Southern European or North African? Definitely more Southern European.
DO we look more Southern European or West Asian? We look more West Asian.
Gangrel
04-18-2019, 11:54 AM
Video posted last month
https://youtu.be/-CQ5vrzc-8E
Everybody with eyes can see lebaneses are lighter than Cypriots and other euro islands.
The only ones that speak in this video look Levantine. Do you have any proof those people you are talking about are not tourists? You got the data that Lebanese are lighter than all European Islands based off of this one video? Are you trolling?
Tenma de Pegasus
04-18-2019, 11:57 AM
The only ones that speak in this video look Levantine. Do you have any proof those people you are talking about are not tourists? You got the data that Lebanese are lighter than all European Islands based off of this one video? Are you trolling?
Do you have any proof they are not lebaneses?
Gangrel
04-18-2019, 11:59 AM
Do you have any proof they are not lebaneses?
You're the one with burden of proof, you claim they are Lebanese. Bro do you actually think that Lebs look more European than Sicilians and Greek Islanders?
Tenma de Pegasus
04-18-2019, 12:02 PM
Man, Lebanon is not even a touristic country.
Nassbean
04-18-2019, 12:04 PM
Some yes but the majority don't
Deneb
04-18-2019, 12:04 PM
I don't dare to give a percentage, but if you pick a group of Turkish people (people born in Turkey), a lot of them look MENA. For example, Sivasspor Football Club.
https://i.ibb.co/029pHrn/2e48b7d9fc93aa0.jpg (https://ibb.co/W5zNmfH)
https://i.ibb.co/hVxH5n3/7c49e9032314582.jpg (https://ibb.co/6Fcbhpj)
https://i.ibb.co/PMvzWRn/7f211141f96840b.jpg (https://ibb.co/LrXhgMW)
https://i.ibb.co/sHzYczK/9e18f6d5904c69c.jpg (https://ibb.co/L5H7BHx)
https://i.ibb.co/Ht8kmy8/17bfbaa16fcc6e1.jpg (https://ibb.co/pfF9CTF)
https://i.ibb.co/z4fHDMg/48becd8af11c869.jpg (https://ibb.co/CH0sDcy)
https://i.ibb.co/J7btLnf/74a4221c912b82e.jpg (https://ibb.co/swDRSj0)
https://i.ibb.co/wyHf3vH/99c7f1bcdecb4e2.jpg (https://ibb.co/5TDPt7D)
https://i.ibb.co/GJjs2Lq/459bd8738834211.jpg (https://ibb.co/JdPx749)
https://i.ibb.co/QNg4PnY/1422d00ccbcee2d.jpg (https://ibb.co/R0Fq3PQ)
https://i.ibb.co/vhvyxVT/a0386ffd77174c3.jpg (https://ibb.co/r3f8GFz)
https://i.ibb.co/yQbnkdD/bddce8632e49577.jpg (https://ibb.co/rw1GpFg)
https://i.ibb.co/s5TzNcS/c036fdc057021ae.jpg (https://ibb.co/WDrjM79)
https://i.ibb.co/0cdkrD7/f3a4d0f72ff10dc.jpg (https://ibb.co/56fdLM0)
https://i.ibb.co/7rgK4bq/f52265955ed5d1b.jpg (https://ibb.co/JrxHQC9)
Gangrel
04-18-2019, 12:06 PM
Man, Lebanon is not even a touristic country.
Lebanon is the Ibiza of middle east, it's MENA party central. In 2018 alone there were over 4 and a half million tourists, that's literally 75% of Lebanon's population.
Tenma de Pegasus
04-18-2019, 12:08 PM
Lebanon is the Ibiza of middle east, it's MENA party central. In 2018 alone there were over 4 and a half million tourists, that's literally 75% of Lebanon's population.
Are you talking about syrian war refugees?
Gangrel
04-18-2019, 12:08 PM
Are you talking about syrian war refugees?
I don't think Syrian war refugees were flooding in 2018 and neither are they marked down as Tourists, so no.
Tenma de Pegasus
04-18-2019, 12:12 PM
I don't think Syrian war refugees were flooding in 2018 and neither are they marked down as Tourists, so no.
Ok, lets imagine what you want.
Gangrel
04-18-2019, 12:13 PM
Ok, lets imagine what you want.
You are coping really hard dude. I don't know why people on the internet can't admit that they are wrong lmao, nobody gives a shit about your online ego
Tenma de Pegasus
04-18-2019, 12:15 PM
You are coping really hard dude. I don't know why people on the internet can't admit that they are wrong lmao, nobody gives a shit about your online ego
I dont give a shit too
Gangrel
04-18-2019, 12:16 PM
I dont give a shit too
Blocked for being retarded, thanks
itilvolga
04-18-2019, 12:16 PM
Western Turks look more Southern European and Eastern Turks look more MENA.
Tenma de Pegasus
04-18-2019, 12:17 PM
Blocked for being retarded, thanks
You are very stressed, lets buy an Ice Cream for us :)
Tigranes
04-18-2019, 12:18 PM
Turanid
Kivan
04-18-2019, 12:26 PM
I don't dare to give a percentage, but if you pick a group of Turkish people (people born in Turkey), a lot of them look MENA. For example, Sivasspor Football Club.
Using cherrypicked photos of football players to prove what we look like? Two of them are even clearly gypsies. :picard1:
Crowd pictures are representative:
https://abload.de/img/fireshotcapture275-1727fjq.png
https://www.evrensel.net/upload/detay/2017/nisan/kakava3.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bOzMq2DOy6w/maxresdefault.jpg
https://abload.de/img/dsc_1183cbdfe.jpg
http://www.iyipartiosmangazi.org/images/gallery/izmir-738.jpg
Btw, I find it amusing these bunch of Arabs, Assyrians, North-Africans, etc here in the forum talking shit about us and trying make Turks like their brown kin. xD
Even funny, the user Shelati, always classifying gypsies and South-Asians as "Anatolid", "Cappadocian-Med", etc.
Get a life.
Pandit
04-18-2019, 12:32 PM
No, definitely more MENA.
I agree, Turks have different looks from Southern Euros.
They generally look 1/3 "Med Europea " and 2/3 MENA which is not surprising as 99% of Turkey is in MENA and their Y Dna is J which as also a MENA dna.
Crimson Winds
04-18-2019, 12:32 PM
"MENA" looking Turks are mostly Anatolid which is a mixture of Dinaro-Med and Armenoid, it explains a lot for a knowledgeable person in these topics. Lol at Lebanese btw, Kurds have more Southern European appearance than them let alone Turks.
Gangrel
04-18-2019, 12:33 PM
I agree, Turks have different looks from Southern Euros.
They generally look 1/3 "Med Europea " and 2/3 MENA which is not surprising as 99% of Turkey is in MENA and their Y Dna is J which as also a MENA dna.
It isn't.
Gangrel
04-18-2019, 12:33 PM
Using cherrypicked photos of football players to prove what we look like? Two of them are even clearly gypsies. :picard1:
Crowd pictures are representative:
https://abload.de/img/fireshotcapture275-1727fjq.png
https://www.evrensel.net/upload/detay/2017/nisan/kakava3.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bOzMq2DOy6w/maxresdefault.jpg
https://abload.de/img/dsc_1183cbdfe.jpg
http://www.iyipartiosmangazi.org/images/gallery/izmir-738.jpg
Btw, I find it amusing these bunch of Arabs, Assyrians, North-Africans, etc here in the forum talking shit about us and trying make Turks like their brown kin. xD
Even funny, the user Shelati, always classifying gypsies and South-Asians as "Anatolid", "Cappadocian-Med", etc.
Get a life.
Bro this is clearly Lebanese crowds, what are you talking about? :rofl:
Tooting Carmen
04-18-2019, 12:37 PM
Turks look 60% MENA 40% Southern Euro to me.
Deneb
04-18-2019, 01:00 PM
Another example: Sivassport Technical Staff.
https://i.ibb.co/W593Yk7/Turks1.png (https://ibb.co/7Ccz6nB)
https://i.ibb.co/8m49ddh/Turks2.png (https://ibb.co/Przg99S)
https://i.ibb.co/JdCmyY3/Turks3.png (https://ibb.co/TTrYbQW)
https://i.ibb.co/gSbTT8P/Turks4.png (https://ibb.co/bsjBBV2)
https://i.ibb.co/tDBdxjv/Turks5.png (https://ibb.co/QM95CST)
https://i.ibb.co/LY6rd2q/Turks6.png (https://ibb.co/Jm2qjMb)
https://i.ibb.co/b1J3gLc/Turks7.png (https://ibb.co/JnQdR2D)
https://i.ibb.co/9nFsDrs/Turks8.png (https://ibb.co/F6SgrDg)
https://i.ibb.co/vQqTfMZ/Turks9.png (https://ibb.co/LJRcBsn)
https://i.ibb.co/ZcsJ9br/Turks10.png (https://ibb.co/3SXsKPb)
TheMaestro
04-18-2019, 01:16 PM
Well I would say definitelly MENA, I have seen many Turks in my local city and when I was tourist.
But in TA and soap opera there are posted only white looking Turks, what is kinda funny. I aint saying there arent enough Turks with such a look, but in general MENA is much stronger, especially in central/south or eastern Turkey. Places like Izmir or Istambul or some cities on north can have white looking population.
Catarinense1998
04-18-2019, 01:17 PM
Turks's phenotypes can vary a lot. Some of them can hold some turanid traits; other show mediterranean/armenoid/balkan traits. I guess - with my minimun knowledge about this topic - that doesn't exist an unique or typical phenotype to represent them. Turks on TA can explain it better than everybody.
Gangrel
04-18-2019, 01:26 PM
Well I would say definitelly MENA, I have seen many Turks in my local city and when I was tourist.
But in TA and soap opera there are posted only white looking Turks, what is kinda funny. I aint saying there arent enough Turks with such a look, but in general MENA is much stronger, especially in central/south or eastern Turkey. Places like Izmir or Istambul or some cities on north can have white looking population.
Most Aussie Turks are Cypriots, you realise this?
Visage pâle
04-18-2019, 01:35 PM
Well I would say definitelly MENA, I have seen many Turks in my local city and when I was tourist.
But in TA and soap opera there are posted only white looking Turks, what is kinda funny. I aint saying there arent enough Turks with such a look, but in general MENA is much stronger, especially in central/south or eastern Turkey. Places like Izmir or Istambul or some cities on north can have white looking population.
Turkish migrants are darker than average imo.
lameduck
04-18-2019, 01:42 PM
who cares , I find many Turkish women to be Prettier than many European women.
Zroota
04-19-2019, 12:49 AM
Btw, I find it amusing these bunch of Arabs, Assyrians, North-Africans, etc here in the forum talking shit about us and trying make Turks like their brown kin. Even funny, the user Shelati, always classifying gypsies and South-Asians as "Anatolid", "Cappadocian-Med", etc.
Get a life.
Ladies and gentlemen, I am just gonna state the obvious: we have OWD-ism in our midst. Eastern Turks are almost equally as "brown" as Levantines and Mesopotamians. And, most Europeans don't really see us any different from each other (this forum is proof and even you have came across such Europeans who think we all look Arabs). So just don't go there and have this embarrassing superiority complex, bub. It ain't working. Lmao.
It seems like you are equating Anatolid and Cap Meds with Turkish people? Who said it's a type belonging to Turks only? Um FYI, Assyrians, Kurds and Armenians have ancestry in the Anatolia region as well. So when I classify a few darker types as Anatolid, I'm not connoting that Turks are "brown". :picard1:
South Asians, at least the 'whiter' ones posted here, do indeed look Anatolid (if you didn't know, that's Armenoid + Med). Not sure why there's a problem with that? That doesn't mean they "look Turkish" FFS. I'm not sure why you're so triggered by me using these eastern phenotypes on Asiatic peoples. So triggered that you started to antagonise me badly, when I actually thought you were one of the more amicable users in here. Not sure what went into you and why you changed drastically.
Besides, I think Greeks and Balkan people would also be 'offended' and put off by you as well for classifying every, even slightly, Med looking folk from Turkey and Iran as "Pontid". Honestly, it's gotten so repetitive. No matter how eastern shifted they look, they are always "Pontids". This reeks OWD-ism. But I don't hate you for it. I don't take classification seriously where I would smear people just because they use the wrong classifications. But we must get a life? Okay.
I have always said that Turks, especially those from the western portion, are the whitest west Asians due to their geography. So we can put that aside. With that being said, your photos are questionable. Are some of them at least taken in Ankara or any eastern cities of Turkey? If they're all snaps from Istanbul, then of course the individuals in them will be pretty white and therefore your post will be unfair. Just saying.
Zroota
04-19-2019, 01:14 AM
Another example: Sivassport Technical Staff.
https://i.ibb.co/W593Yk7/Turks1.png (https://ibb.co/7Ccz6nB)
https://i.ibb.co/8m49ddh/Turks2.png (https://ibb.co/Przg99S)
https://i.ibb.co/JdCmyY3/Turks3.png (https://ibb.co/TTrYbQW)
https://i.ibb.co/gSbTT8P/Turks4.png (https://ibb.co/bsjBBV2)
https://i.ibb.co/tDBdxjv/Turks5.png (https://ibb.co/QM95CST)
https://i.ibb.co/LY6rd2q/Turks6.png (https://ibb.co/Jm2qjMb)
https://i.ibb.co/b1J3gLc/Turks7.png (https://ibb.co/JnQdR2D)
https://i.ibb.co/9nFsDrs/Turks8.png (https://ibb.co/F6SgrDg)
https://i.ibb.co/vQqTfMZ/Turks9.png (https://ibb.co/LJRcBsn)
https://i.ibb.co/ZcsJ9br/Turks10.png (https://ibb.co/3SXsKPb)
I believe that this is a fair representation of Turks. A nice and appropriate mixture of Meds, Alpines, Taurids, Anatolids and Turanids. Not too light, not too dark. Hopefully nobody will say it's cherrypicked because a few don't look too European. :picard1:
Kivan
04-19-2019, 01:40 AM
Ladies and gentlemen, I am just gonna state the obvious: we have OWD-ism in our midst. Eastern Turks are almost equally as "brown" as Levantines and Mesopotamians. And, most Europeans don't really see us any different from each other (this forum is proof and even you have came across such Europeans who think we all look Arabs). So just don't go there and have this embarrassing superiority complex, bub. It ain't working. Lmao.
It seems like you are equating Anatolid and Cap Meds with Turkish people? Who said it's a type belonging to Turks only? Um FYI, Assyrians, Kurds and Armenians have ancestry in the Anatolia region as well. So when I classify a few darker types as Anatolid, I'm not connoting that Turks are "brown". :picard1:
South Asians, at least the 'whiter' ones posted here, do indeed look Anatolid (if you didn't know, that's Armenoid + Med). Not sure why there's a problem with that? That doesn't mean they "look Turkish" FFS. I'm not sure why you're so triggered by me using these eastern phenotypes on Asiatic peoples. So triggered that you started to antagonise me badly, when I actually thought you were one of the more amicable users in here. Not sure what went into you and why you changed drastically.
Besides, I think Greeks and Balkan people would also be 'offended' and put off by you as well for classifying every, even slightly, Med looking folk from Turkey and Iran as "Pontid". Honestly, it's gotten so repetitive. No matter how eastern shifted they look, they are always "Pontids". This reeks OWD-ism. But I don't hate you for it. I don't take classification seriously where I would smear people just because they use the wrong classifications. But we must get a life? Okay.
I have always said that Turks, especially those from the western portion, are the whitest west Asians due to their geography. So we can put that aside. With that being said, your photos are questionable. Are some of them at least taken in Ankara or any eastern cities of Turkey? If they're all snaps from Istanbul, then of course the individuals in them will be pretty white and therefore your post will be unfair. Just saying.
First of all, i removed the thumbs down from your post. Do you always cry like a baby always that you get downvoted? Downvoting is not against the rules of the forum. And btw, it's better you stop harassing me and sending messages, or I will report you to the staff for harassment:
https://abload.de/img/fireshotcapture353-seczj61.png
Second, stop projecting your inferiority complex against others and talking shit about my people. You are the biggest trolls in this site, and you are the last person who might call others "OWD" here.
This man is North Italian? Hell, he is 'exotic' looking even for Assyrian standards.
Orientalid + Berid
He fits in all of West Asia like a glove, especially Jordan and Iraq.
You are always classifying Europeans with "MENA" phenotypes and doing the opposite regarding them. Let me teach some things to you, troll:
1. "Anatolia" ends in Sivas, most of the East portion of the country/"Kurdistan"/"Assyria" is not part of Anatolia.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/AnatolieLimits.jpg
2. You look desperate to lump us with semites. Put in you head that "Eastern Turks" have nothing to do with Levantines, neither genetically or phenotypically. My country is being flooded with Arabs, and your average Levantine refugee stand out like a sore thumb in most of the regions of the country. Any user from Turkey here will agree with me.
3. Cope. You keep passing South-Asian and gypsies as Turkish, but when someone talk about Assyrians you reply the person saying that he/she can't talk about your people because he/she doesn't know how Assyrians look like:
Please don't speak for my people. You have no idea how we look like.
4. How do you know that the photos i posted were from Western Turkey? There's no much difference regarding most regions of the countries. You clearly don't know any shit about Turkey and keep talking as you live there. I posted photos from Southern Turkey (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?272188-Iranid-Dinarid-In-which-regions-this-mix-is-found&p=5688659&viewfull=1#post5688659) already. Here photos from a province close to Levant, you liar:
http://www.zmo.org.tr/resimler/bizden/orj/45506_17_09_45.jpg
http://www.tarsusonline.com/images/haberler//124surenkok-kadin-girisimcilere-adana-sanayisi-ni-anlatti-.jpg
https://www.adanabtu.edu.tr/PagesTR/upload/haber/025133.jpg
https://www.haberankara.com/images/haberler/adanada-dovulerek-oldurulen-turkanin-duvakli-tabutunu-kadinlar-tasidiad6585779e2d0e6dae36.jpg
https://www.evrensel.net/upload/detay/2017/eylul/AdanaKadin02.jpg
Ps: you cry because of a downvote but apparently keep sending your friend Nazarene thumbing down my posts and upvoting your trollish posts. Laughable.
Nazarene
04-19-2019, 01:43 AM
"MENA" looking Turks are mostly Anatolid which is a mixture of Dinaro-Med and Armenoid, it explains a lot for a knowledgeable person in these topics. Lol at Lebanese btw, Kurds have more Southern European appearance than them let alone Turks.
Lmao bullshit
DarknessWin
04-19-2019, 01:44 AM
Not MENA but more Caucasian.
Actually they look to me like 70% Caucasian Anatolian and 30% Med
DarknessWin
04-19-2019, 01:45 AM
It isn't.
J is MENA DNA . LOL
This forum is full of clueless idiots
JMack
04-19-2019, 02:12 AM
Turks look in between Caucasus peoples and Southern Europeans.
FinalFlash
04-19-2019, 02:23 AM
J is MENA DNA . LOL
This forum is full of clueless idiots
Shocking.
Nazarene
04-19-2019, 02:28 AM
I should stop projecting my inferiority complex against others and talking shit about other people.
Fixed habibi
Rgvgjhvv
04-19-2019, 02:41 AM
Western Turks look more Southern European and Eastern Turks look more MENA.
+1
kleenex
04-19-2019, 03:23 AM
In terms of genetics Lebanese are Levantine/West Asian. When you talk about phenotypes I see a lot of West Asian looking folks (those interviewed) with minor Levantine/Arabic features. The majority does look like a mix of Caucasoid and Levantine with a few who are more robust Greek Island looking types (Alpine Med).
Gangrel
04-19-2019, 10:35 AM
In terms of genetics Lebanese are Levantine/West Asian. When you talk about phenotypes I see a lot of West Asian looking folks (those interviewed) with minor Levantine/Arabic features. The majority does look like a mix of Caucasoid and Levantine with a few who are more robust Greek Island looking types (Alpine Med).
?????????????
Do you know what Caucasoid means?
Hattian
04-19-2019, 11:28 AM
West Turkey Pontid + Anatolid
East Turkey Anatolid + Pontid
Hattian
04-19-2019, 11:28 AM
?????????????
Do you know what Caucasoid means?
he meands MTEBIT
Gangrel
04-19-2019, 12:43 PM
he meands MTEBIT
No, Caucasian and Caucasoid are two different things.
Bornoz
04-19-2019, 12:49 PM
We are like a mix of bigger portion of Caucasian and lesser Southern European.
You can still taste Siberian and Levantine sauces too.
Negah
04-19-2019, 12:58 PM
You're the one with burden of proof, you claim they are Lebanese. Bro do you actually think that Lebs look more European than Sicilians and Greek Islanders?
He is insane and ridiculous
Hattian
04-19-2019, 01:42 PM
No, Caucasian and Caucasoid are two different things.
He say Caucasoid not Caucasian/White race
Gangrel
04-19-2019, 01:44 PM
He say Caucasoid not Caucasian/White race
Caucasoid = Europid race
Caucasian = Person from the Caucasus
Zroota
04-20-2019, 03:09 AM
First of all, i removed the thumbs down from your post. Do you always cry like a baby always that you get downvoted? Downvoting is not against the rules of the forum. And btw, it's better you stop harassing me and sending messages, or I will report you to the staff for harassment:
https://abload.de/img/fireshotcapture353-seczj61.png
That's harassment to you? And aren't you crying now about it as well? That makes us two of us. Lmao.
Second, stop projecting your inferiority complex against others and talking shit about my people. You are the biggest trolls in this site, and you are the last person who might call others "OWD" here.
Oh gee, looks like I made someone so emotional and butturt. My, my.
So saying a few Turks can be dark (and I never did actually if you had good comprehension skills), I am talking shit about your people? You are a comedian, honestly. Unlike you, I don't view "brown" negatively. You think, because somebody says "this person/group is swarthy", they are "talking shit" and are "trolls", when in fact they are not speaking ill or degrading brown skin. Not everyone has a Hitler complex, you see. And also, please educate yourself on the difference between ethnic groups and phenotypes. I know you're confusing ethnicity with phenotypes for sure.
Listen bub, I get people messaging me telling me how you whitewash Turks so badly. So don't throw it upon me.
You are always classifying Europeans with "MENA" phenotypes and doing the opposite regarding them. Let me teach some things to you, troll:
1. "Anatolia" ends in Sivas, most of the East portion of the country/"Kurdistan"/"Assyria" is not part of Anatolia.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/AnatolieLimits.jpg
And you are always classifying Iranians and as well as 'darker', Armenid-influenced eastern Anatolians as "Pontid". But nobody really cares either way. People don't take this shit seriously, like you do. Stop taking all this to your heart and grow some thick skin. Lmao. Why are you pissed off that Europeans are classified with MENA phenotypes? You're not even European. So why speak for them? You're such an Uncle Tom. :cool:
It depends on the sources. I am aware that many geographical references don't include eastern Turkey as part of 'Anatolia'. Some do (like the image below). Some don't. I honestly couldn't care less. My people are Mesopotamian for the most part anyway.
http://images.treccani.it/enc/media/share/images/orig//system/galleries/Storia_im/anatolia_fig_vol1_004010_001.jpg
2. You look desperate to lump us with semites. Put in you head that "Eastern Turks" have nothing to do with Levantines, neither genetically or phenotypically. My country is being flooded with Arabs, and your average Levantine refugee stand out like a sore thumb in most of the regions of the country. Any user from Turkey here will agree with me.
Nobody lumped Semites with Turks and nobody said they look the same. You are extremely delusional. And again, you are conflating ethnic groups with phenotypes. Not sure which posts of mine you have been reading. Besides, what you said really echoes nationalistic German view of Turks, who are apparently flooding their country as well, assaulting women, etc. Please stop being pompous. People, especially Europeans, also view your ethnicity negatively, and would lump you with West Asians more so than they do with Europeans. Funnily, I actually never did and I have always stated Turks looked mostly southern Europe. So that's why I think you are really delusional and got me wrong heavily. Perhaps because I use Anatolid on Iranians and 'white-looking' Pakistanis? Okay... :picard1:
3. Cope. You keep passing South-Asian and gypsies as Turkish, but when someone talk about Assyrians you reply the person saying that he/she can't talk about your people because he/she doesn't know how Assyrians look like:
Yep, my point is thus proved; You are blatantly conflating phenotypes with ethnic groups. Not sure about gypsies, but I have classified "West Asian looking" South Asians, posted by lameduck, as Anatolids. The person may be nitpicking the most 'white' looking Pakistanis, but they indeed turn out to possess more Med features and I cannot see them as "Indid". I am not biased. As ethnicities go, I have said they pass as Assyrian, Lebanese or Kurdish. Never brought up Turks, bub. That's a figment of your imagination and paranoia. Please upskill your comprehension abilities. I am amazed at how wrong you got me.
4. How do you know that the photos i posted were from Western Turkey? There's no much difference regarding most regions of the countries. You clearly don't know any shit about Turkey and keep talking as you live there. I posted photos from Southern Turkey (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?272188-Iranid-Dinarid-In-which-regions-this-mix-is-found&p=5688659&viewfull=1#post5688659) already.
Uh what? I just asked if your examples were from other regions as well and not one region, like Istanbul (since it's the populous capital). And so they are not it seems. There's a big difference between asking and knowing, bub. And really, if you have this pontificated attitude about your country, I don't think people will like you, Mr ambassador. :coffee:
Here photos from a province close to Levant, you liar:
SNIP
What exactly did I lie about? Asking is not lying. What planet are you from man? Lmao. I am getting sick of your constant false accusations and grotty arrogance.
Ps: you cry because of a downvote but apparently keep sending your friend Nazarene thumbing down my posts and upvoting your trollish posts. Laughable.
Nah man, people just disagree with your dishonesty and finger-pointing. I will remove off the thumbs down, just to be fair with you.
Stefanos.tasidis
04-20-2019, 03:10 AM
Didn't you get that e-mail about turks being mongolians ?
lameduck
04-20-2019, 03:39 AM
That's harassment to you? And aren't you crying now about it as well? That makes us two of us. Lmao.
Oh gee, looks like I made someone so emotional and butturt. My, my.
So saying a few Turks can be dark (and I never did actually if you had good comprehension skills), I am talking shit about your people? You are a comedian, honestly. Unlike you, I don't view "brown" negatively. You think, because somebody says "this person/group is swarthy", they are "talking shit" and are "trolls", when in fact they are not speaking ill or degrading brown skin. Not everyone has a Hitler complex, you see. And also, please educate yourself on the difference between ethnic groups and phenotypes. I know you're confusing ethnicity with phenotypes for sure.
Listen bub, I get people messaging me telling me how you whitewash Turks so badly. So don't throw it upon me.
And you are always classifying Iranians and as well as 'darker', Armenid-influenced eastern Anatolians as "Pontid". But nobody really cares either way. People don't take this shit seriously, like you do. Stop taking all this to your heart and grow some thick skin. Lmao. Why are you pissed off that Europeans are classified with MENA phenotypes? You're not even European. So why speak for them? You're such an Uncle Tom. :cool:
It depends on the sources. I am aware that many geographical references don't include eastern Turkey as part of 'Anatolia'. Some do (like the image below). Some don't. I honestly couldn't care less. My people are Mesopotamian for the most part anyway.
http://images.treccani.it/enc/media/share/images/orig//system/galleries/Storia_im/anatolia_fig_vol1_004010_001.jpg
Nobody lumped Semites with Turks and nobody said they look the same. You are extremely delusional. And again, you are conflating ethnic groups with phenotypes. Not sure which posts of mine you have been reading. Besides, what you said really echoes nationalistic German view of Turks, who are apparently flooding their country as well, assaulting women, etc. Please stop being pompous. People, especially Europeans, also view your ethnicity negatively, and would lump you with West Asians more so than they do with Europeans. Funnily, I actually never did and I have always stated Turks looked mostly southern Europe. So that's why I think you are really delusional and got me wrong heavily. Perhaps because I use Anatolid on Iranians and 'white-looking' Pakistanis? Okay... :picard1:
Yep, my point is thus proved; You are blatantly conflating phenotypes with ethnic groups. Not sure about gypsies, but I have classified "West Asian looking" South Asians, posted by lameduck, as Anatolids. The person may be nitpicking the most 'white' looking Pakistanis, but they indeed turn out to possess more Med features and I cannot see them as "Indid". I am not biased. As ethnicities go, I have said they pass as Assyrian, Lebanese or Kurdish. Never brought up Turks, bub. That's a figment of your imagination and paranoia. Please upskill your comprehension abilities. I am amazed at how wrong you got me.
Uh what? I just asked if your examples were from other regions as well and not one region, like Istanbul (since it's the populous capital). And so they are not it seems. There's a big difference between asking and knowing, bub. And really, if you have this pontificated attitude about your country, I don't think people will like you, Mr ambassador. :coffee:
What exactly did I lie about? Asking is not lying. What planet are you from man? Lmao. I am getting sick of your constant false accusations and grotty arrogance.
Nah man, people just disagree with your dishonesty and finger-pointing. I will remove off the thumbs down, just to be fair with you.
Often time(not always) I do post people that are at lighter end of spectrum for Pakistan or atleast better groomed , for more typical types you can see this thread
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?286911-Classify-Pakistanis-in-these-videos&p=5977309#post5977309
Deneb
04-21-2019, 04:16 PM
I was thumbed down and even insulted (by a certain lady). Now I'm checking the Turkish National Team. Well, some can easily pass in Europe, but others look Middle Eastern as fuck. Because of the last ones, I'd never confuse a group of Turks with Europeans, except if you cherrypick the photos. They look Turkish to my eyes.
Turkish national team (source: Wikipedia)
Goalkeepers
https://i.ibb.co/TRf3BTR/Sinan-Bolat.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/qWqp4PK/Mert-G-nok.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/rFgGc7L/U-urcan-ak-r.png (https://imgbb.com/)
Defenders
https://i.ibb.co/z606YTr/a-lar-S-y-nc.jpg (https://ibb.co/xFRF0tD)
https://i.ibb.co/GRb6W2S/Emre-Ta-demir.jpg (https://ibb.co/gJB2STK)
https://i.ibb.co/DzX2tsD/G-khan-G-n-l.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/dbPddfP/Hasan-Ali-Kald-r-m.jpg (https://ibb.co/YDczzNc)
https://i.ibb.co/8gF8Pxg/Kaan-Ayhan.jpg (https://ibb.co/s9L3s19)
https://i.ibb.co/tmgBTHf/Merih-Demiral.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/VmXM0P6/Ozan-Kabak.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/zH1qk3v/Zeki-elik.jpg (https://ibb.co/tPSVd0r)
Miedfielders
https://i.ibb.co/TgJnSCM/Deniz-T-r.jpg (https://ibb.co/6WGpxd0)
https://i.ibb.co/nDZhhmq/Dorukhan-Tok-z.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/vcz90Lh/Efecan-Karaca.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/RjMrvrF/Emre-Bel-zo-lu.jpg (https://ibb.co/fDK616g)
https://i.ibb.co/82mxt8D/Emre-K-l-n.jpg (https://ibb.co/zbm2Dfh)
https://i.ibb.co/SsHZZZ0/G-ven-Yal-n.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/cDxjQ87/Hakan-alhano-lu.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/pwTRv2K/Mahmut-Tekdemir.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/4dMvsB9/Okay-Yoku-lu.png (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/SPff65g/Yunus-Mall.jpg (https://ibb.co/37RRT4b)
https://i.ibb.co/5kR2T6X/Yusuf-Yaz-c.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
Forwards
https://i.ibb.co/GP2P1bY/Burak-Y-lmaz.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/qNR9575/Cenk-Tosun.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
Bornoz
04-21-2019, 04:30 PM
I was thumbed down and even insulted (by a certain lady). Now I'm checking the Turkish National Team. Well, some can easily pass in Europe, but others look Middle Eastern as fuck. Because of the last ones, I'd never confuse a group of Turks with Europeans, except if you cherrypick the photos.
Turkish national team (source: Wikipedia)
https://i.ibb.co/GP2P1bY/Burak-Y-lmaz.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/z606YTr/a-lar-S-y-nc.jpg (https://ibb.co/xFRF0tD)
https://i.ibb.co/qNR9575/Cenk-Tosun.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/TgJnSCM/Deniz-T-r.jpg (https://ibb.co/6WGpxd0)
https://i.ibb.co/nDZhhmq/Dorukhan-Tok-z.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/vcz90Lh/Efecan-Karaca.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/RjMrvrF/Emre-Bel-zo-lu.jpg (https://ibb.co/fDK616g)
https://i.ibb.co/82mxt8D/Emre-K-l-n.jpg (https://ibb.co/zbm2Dfh)
https://i.ibb.co/GRb6W2S/Emre-Ta-demir.jpg (https://ibb.co/gJB2STK)
https://i.ibb.co/DzX2tsD/G-khan-G-n-l.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/SsHZZZ0/G-ven-Yal-n.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/cDxjQ87/Hakan-alhano-lu.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/dbPddfP/Hasan-Ali-Kald-r-m.jpg (https://ibb.co/YDczzNc)
https://i.ibb.co/8gF8Pxg/Kaan-Ayhan.jpg (https://ibb.co/s9L3s19)
https://i.ibb.co/pwTRv2K/Mahmut-Tekdemir.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/tmgBTHf/Merih-Demiral.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/qWqp4PK/Mert-G-nok.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/4dMvsB9/Okay-Yoku-lu.png (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/VmXM0P6/Ozan-Kabak.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/TRf3BTR/Sinan-Bolat.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/rFgGc7L/U-urcan-ak-r.png (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/SPff65g/Yunus-Mall.jpg (https://ibb.co/37RRT4b)
https://i.ibb.co/5kR2T6X/Yusuf-Yaz-c.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/zH1qk3v/Zeki-elik.jpg (https://ibb.co/tPSVd0r)
Most of these players don't look Middle Eastern.
Sinan Bolat, Kaan Ayhan, that Başakşehir guy, kid with Germany shirt and maybe Hakan Çalhanoğlu..
Rest do not look Middle Eastern
Bornoz
04-21-2019, 04:35 PM
Fotoğrafların yerini neden değiştirdin amın salağı :lol: :lol:
Gel ananı benden kurtar bunlarla uğraşacağına
Deneb
04-21-2019, 04:37 PM
Most of these players don't look Middle Eastern.
Sinan Bolat, Kaan Ayhan, that Başakşehir guy, kid with Germany shirt and maybe Hakan Çalhanoğlu..
Rest do not look Middle Eastern
Where I live, they do (as a group), sorry.
Bornoz
04-21-2019, 04:41 PM
Where I live, they do, sorry.
Sorry for what :lol:
I am talking for players of Turkish national football team already, not for the ones that live in the same place with you.
Don't really know how they look but it is clear that they hurt you some way.
Kivan
04-21-2019, 04:41 PM
^^^
Guy comparing a small group of football players with the population of a entire country with n ethnic groups living there. :icon_lol::picard1:
I thought people in this forum were smarter(or it's just trolling/debauchery...?).
Deneb
04-21-2019, 04:42 PM
Sorry for what :lol:
I am talking for players of Turkish national football team already, not for the ones that live in the same place with you.
Don't really know how they look but it is clear that they hurt you some way.
I don't care a fig, they don't look (Southern) European as a group. Deal with it.
Marmara
04-21-2019, 04:47 PM
If they're all snaps from Istanbul, then of course the individuals in them will be pretty white and therefore your post will be unfair. Just saying.
No one living in Istanbul is native to here, everyone is an immigrant from different provinces, and there are millions of Kurds (i'm not counting the refugees).
Istanbul is not whiter than any province at all. In Taksim you would feel like you're in Baghdad.
Marmara
04-21-2019, 04:53 PM
There is a difference between Eastern Turks and Eastern "Turks". Most Easternmost Turks live around Sivas - Maraş line, further East is Kurdish/Arab with exceptions
And Sivasspor is a cherrypicked team, it's a regional team from Sivas.
A more representative team would be like this http://www.yesilsiyahspor.com/upload/2018/0.09.JPG
Bornoz
04-21-2019, 04:56 PM
There is a difference between Eastern Turks and Eastern "Turks". Most Easternmost Turks live around Sivas - Maraş line, further East is Kurdish/Arab with exceptions
And Sivasspor is a cherrypicked team, it's a regional team from Sivas.
A more representative team would be like this http://www.yesilsiyahspor.com/upload/2018/0.09.JPG
This guy has anal fissure. Leave him alone
Marmara
04-21-2019, 05:04 PM
I was thumbed down and even insulted (by a certain lady). Now I'm checking the Turkish National Team. Well, some can easily pass in Europe, but others look Middle Eastern as fuck. Because of the last ones, I'd never confuse a group of Turks with Europeans, except if you cherrypick the photos.
Turkish national team (source: Wikipedia)
Goalkeepers
https://i.ibb.co/TRf3BTR/Sinan-Bolat.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/qWqp4PK/Mert-G-nok.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/rFgGc7L/U-urcan-ak-r.png (https://imgbb.com/)
Defenders
https://i.ibb.co/z606YTr/a-lar-S-y-nc.jpg (https://ibb.co/xFRF0tD)
https://i.ibb.co/GRb6W2S/Emre-Ta-demir.jpg (https://ibb.co/gJB2STK)
https://i.ibb.co/DzX2tsD/G-khan-G-n-l.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/dbPddfP/Hasan-Ali-Kald-r-m.jpg (https://ibb.co/YDczzNc)
https://i.ibb.co/8gF8Pxg/Kaan-Ayhan.jpg (https://ibb.co/s9L3s19)
https://i.ibb.co/tmgBTHf/Merih-Demiral.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/VmXM0P6/Ozan-Kabak.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/zH1qk3v/Zeki-elik.jpg (https://ibb.co/tPSVd0r)
Miedfielders
https://i.ibb.co/TgJnSCM/Deniz-T-r.jpg (https://ibb.co/6WGpxd0)
https://i.ibb.co/nDZhhmq/Dorukhan-Tok-z.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/vcz90Lh/Efecan-Karaca.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/RjMrvrF/Emre-Bel-zo-lu.jpg (https://ibb.co/fDK616g)
https://i.ibb.co/82mxt8D/Emre-K-l-n.jpg (https://ibb.co/zbm2Dfh)
https://i.ibb.co/SsHZZZ0/G-ven-Yal-n.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/cDxjQ87/Hakan-alhano-lu.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/pwTRv2K/Mahmut-Tekdemir.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/4dMvsB9/Okay-Yoku-lu.png (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/SPff65g/Yunus-Mall.jpg (https://ibb.co/37RRT4b)
https://i.ibb.co/5kR2T6X/Yusuf-Yaz-c.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
Forwards
https://i.ibb.co/GP2P1bY/Burak-Y-lmaz.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/qNR9575/Cenk-Tosun.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
These two are Kurdish
https://i.ibb.co/TRf3BTR/Sinan-Bolat.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/pwTRv2K/Mahmut-Tekdemir.jpg
Deneb
04-21-2019, 05:11 PM
This guy has anal fissure. Leave him alone
Said by Bornoz, the retarded MENA cunt.
archangel
04-24-2019, 10:50 AM
We Turks are the Scandinavians of the region, Only Georgians and North Caucasians can match with us.
But in the end who cares?
Visage pâle
04-27-2019, 11:18 PM
Most of these players don't look Middle Eastern.
Sinan Bolat, Kaan Ayhan, that Başakşehir guy, kid with Germany shirt and maybe Hakan Çalhanoğlu..
Rest do not look Middle Eastern
Yes, most turks are white to me and are close to southern Europe.
Nassbean
03-01-2020, 11:10 PM
overall they look more mena based on my experience You know how it is a good kebab once a week then school surrounding by my kardeshim from emirdag, gaziantep, Eskişehir and then at night eating a good pide made by professional turkish hands in Chaussée de Haecht 1210 Brussels : https://www.google.com/maps/@50.8585785,4.3703254,3a,75y,288.08h,87.76t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s60UhAVKeF2zCqelqYVIbEA!2e0!6s% 2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D60UhAVKeF2zCq elqYVIbEA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_ sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26y aw%3D141.6643%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384 !8i8192
Smeagol
03-01-2020, 11:12 PM
No, if you search Turkish crowds, most of them look almost fully MENA. Genetically, they don't cluster with any Europeans either.
Samnium
03-01-2020, 11:17 PM
I think they look like 2/3 southern Europe 1/3 mena.
No.
They look what they are = a non-euro population.
People here would spam light Turks, while they still don't look euro despite being light (most of them, of course there are outliers).
We Turks are the Scandinavians of the region, Only Georgians and North Caucasians can match with us.
But in the end who cares?
Lol Scandinavians of the region.
Maybe in your dream, we can take a crowd of Turks if you want, we will see. Turks that are in Europe are barely distinct from MENAs. Seriously.
Kivan
03-01-2020, 11:37 PM
No.
They look what they are = a non-euro population.
People here would spam light Turks, while they still don't look euro despite being light (most of them, of course there are outliers).
Lol Scandinavians of the region.
Maybe in your dream, we can take a crowd of Turks if you want, we will see. Turks that are in Europe are barely distinct from MENAs. Seriously.
We are not European but we don't look like any "MENA" population. You like it or not.
I never seen any Turk here pretending to be European either. Most who say such thing are people (generally Greeks and Eastern Europeans) who hate us. Genetically we are closer to other Turkics such as Tatars and Azeris.
Crowds of Turkish cities are these ones:
https://foto.sondakika.com/haber/2018/06/19/iyi-parti-nin-duzce-mitingi-10964595_o.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZIcad8W0AMlgN8.jpg
http://www.bizbolulular.com/resim/upload/11034202.jpg
https://abload.de/img/dekan_dan_mmo_bursa_s7wfyd.jpg
http://www.iyipartiosmangazi.org/images/gallery/izmir-738.jpg
https://edirnejethaber.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/muharremince.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r7OaE5C8_0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFmyHGxFRdQ&t=1152s
Septentrion
03-03-2020, 09:53 AM
I think they look like 2/3 southern Europe 1/3 mena.
Turks are Mongrels! They look like a cross between European+Middle-Eastern+Central Asian! They are weird.
Nomansman
03-03-2020, 10:15 AM
Another example: Sivassport Technical Staff.
https://i.ibb.co/W593Yk7/Turks1.png (https://ibb.co/7Ccz6nB)
https://i.ibb.co/8m49ddh/Turks2.png (https://ibb.co/Przg99S)
https://i.ibb.co/JdCmyY3/Turks3.png (https://ibb.co/TTrYbQW)
https://i.ibb.co/gSbTT8P/Turks4.png (https://ibb.co/bsjBBV2)
https://i.ibb.co/tDBdxjv/Turks5.png (https://ibb.co/QM95CST)
https://i.ibb.co/LY6rd2q/Turks6.png (https://ibb.co/Jm2qjMb)
https://i.ibb.co/b1J3gLc/Turks7.png (https://ibb.co/JnQdR2D)
https://i.ibb.co/9nFsDrs/Turks8.png (https://ibb.co/F6SgrDg)
https://i.ibb.co/vQqTfMZ/Turks9.png (https://ibb.co/LJRcBsn)
https://i.ibb.co/ZcsJ9br/Turks10.png (https://ibb.co/3SXsKPb)
A couple of these can pass as afghans
Turks are Turks. "Mena" doesn't exist
Mortimer
03-03-2020, 11:17 AM
I think that's a wrong question because there is not a clear cut difference between southern european and Mena most almost all menas if not SSA admixed can individually be passed in fringe southern european regions
mergen3
03-03-2020, 08:01 PM
People from Sivas are out of the average Turkish type. Local Eskişehir and Ankara people may be close to the average Turks. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200303/f8e4a9b1ec594b929fe509f3ae8e2de0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200303/d27aab04c1f34a3cb8df4eeabaf3fea8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200303/173ff69b0458146e5ec1fcf6e65d29e9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200303/a4b0fb77edbfeb05628d6d34c6ab951a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200303/b4d92b6fa951eb0dacc1ca63ef453a87.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200303/54cb74430abb77186d4dd220804e392b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200303/335b06378d15ade5bce293e73e8ada83.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200303/6f738c5798397fccdb188292f5a3653a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200303/060dc4668a6047ed77ae349f643c9a5a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200303/11ce55add1e3faa1304077f8ca5b663d.jpg
Chocolate_Hound
06-02-2021, 09:20 PM
To me they are dark featured whites. Like most Turks I see have relatively fair skin, but it's their features that give them away. I'd say facially most of them look like some kind of MENA
Chocolate_Hound
06-02-2021, 09:31 PM
who cares , I find many Turkish women to be Prettier than many European women.
Biased input. You are Muslim so your sperm naturally gravitates towards other Muslim ethnicities.
Radimir
06-02-2021, 09:38 PM
They look more closer to MENA, duh.
GoalPoacher
06-03-2021, 09:16 AM
Answer is none. We're pretty distinct from both
Sebastianus Rex
06-03-2021, 10:25 AM
Im not Sikeliot kkk, but really, lebaneses deserve their place as the most euro of non euros.
No they don't, western Turks are far more European looking and that's because many are so genetically. You have been Sikeliotized.
Super Mario
06-03-2021, 10:35 AM
Turks are West Asian-MENA no doubt and a little East Asian in them.
Avicenna
06-03-2021, 10:45 AM
No they don't, western Turks are far more European looking and that's because many are so genetically. You have been Sikeliotized.
To think that Lebanese are more euro looking than Turks is laughable . Not that it matters but people really are deluded on these forums .
Avicenna
06-03-2021, 11:02 AM
No they don't, western Turks are far more European looking and that's because many are so genetically. You have been Sikeliotized.
To think that Lebanese are more euro looking than Turks is laughable . Not that it matters but people really are deluded on these forums .
reboun
06-03-2021, 11:02 AM
Mix of Southern European, West Asian, Central Asian with minor Eastern European and African depending on region or ancestry.
Yup. Although we are genetically more MENA(must be "West Asian") than South European, most of us phenotypically look closer to average Greeks, Balkan peoples & Caucasians(both North & South) than any NEMA folks such as Arabs, Persians & Assyrians
Thracian
06-03-2021, 11:33 AM
Turks are West Asian-MENA no doubt and a little East Asian in them.
We are not West Asians. We are just Central Asians with some negligible foreign ancestries. Millions of do not even cluster with WA people. For example, here is my k12b distances which is a pretty good calculator for WA/CA people. As you see none of them appear on my TOP 25.
Distance to: Thracian
5.19355370 Turk_Trakya
5.35478291 Turk_Makedonya
6.23806861 Bulgarian_Thrace
7.01863947 Turk_Deliorman
7.06984441 Greek_Peloponnese
7.22932915 Greek_Thrace
7.34482811 Greek_Thessaly
7.75196104 Greek_Thessaloniki
8.43898098 Greek_Central
8.55969626 Moldovan_Gagauz
8.91287271 Bulgarian_East
8.95978236 Albanian
9.09353067 Greek_Macedonia
9.24864314 Albanian_Kosovo
9.37370791 Greek_Athens
9.55108894 Macedonian_South
9.87205652 Macedonian_Vardar
9.94405853 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
10.09352763 Greek_Lemnos
10.17165178 Italian_Apulia
10.41139280 Italian_Lazio
10.56878423 Greek_Foca
10.91892852 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
10.95653686 Macedonian_Polog
10.97658417 Pomak_Greece
Hektor12
06-03-2021, 12:12 PM
we are genetically more MENANeden MENA'ymışız? Kaynak?
Tenma de Pegasus
06-03-2021, 12:14 PM
No they don't, western Turks are far more European looking and that's because many are so genetically. You have been Sikeliotized.
Western turks are not a nation like Lebanon. Its like saying South Brazilians are lighter than unitedstatians or new zealanders.
Sebastianus Rex
06-03-2021, 04:19 PM
Western turks are not a nation like Lebanon. Its like saying South Brazilians are lighter than unitedstatians or new zealanders.
Dude, that's the problem with generalizations...Istambul alone has 3 times more people than Lebanon... it's like saying all Brazilians are pardons/mulattos...a big part of Turkey are just Islamized Greeks/Anatolians.
Avicenna
06-03-2021, 07:46 PM
Western turks are not a nation like Lebanon. Its like saying South Brazilians are lighter than unitedstatians or new zealanders.
Check out this thread man
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?347485-Turkey-VS-Lebanon-WOG-WASP-competition
Super Mario
06-04-2021, 12:26 AM
We are not West Asians. We are just Central Asians with some negligible foreign ancestries. Millions of do not even cluster with WA people. For example, here is my k12b distances which is a pretty good calculator for WA/CA people. As you see none of them appear on my TOP 25.
Distance to: Thracian
5.19355370 Turk_Trakya
5.35478291 Turk_Makedonya
6.23806861 Bulgarian_Thrace
7.01863947 Turk_Deliorman
7.06984441 Greek_Peloponnese
7.22932915 Greek_Thrace
7.34482811 Greek_Thessaly
7.75196104 Greek_Thessaloniki
8.43898098 Greek_Central
8.55969626 Moldovan_Gagauz
8.91287271 Bulgarian_East
8.95978236 Albanian
9.09353067 Greek_Macedonia
9.24864314 Albanian_Kosovo
9.37370791 Greek_Athens
9.55108894 Macedonian_South
9.87205652 Macedonian_Vardar
9.94405853 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
10.09352763 Greek_Lemnos
10.17165178 Italian_Apulia
10.41139280 Italian_Lazio
10.56878423 Greek_Foca
10.91892852 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
10.95653686 Macedonian_Polog
10.97658417 Pomak_Greece
Sorry, Im newbie at genetics, I dont really understand how it works.
Neden MENA'ymışız? Kaynak?
Kaynak: Turkish DNA Project ve bütün Türk Gedmatch/Ancestry/23andme/MyHeritage sonuçları
Hektor12
06-04-2021, 03:23 PM
Kaynak: Turkish DNA Project ve bütün Türk Gedmatch/Ancestry/23andme/MyHeritage sonuçları
Ben de baktım onlara mena'lardan hiçbiri bize kafkaslardan daha yakın değil.
They look more west Asian than anything else on average.
Hektor12
06-04-2021, 03:35 PM
They look more west Asian than anything else on average.
I dont understand why do people here pretend Turkey is an insignificant part of the world which cant have its own looks. Anatolia plus Eastern Thrace, head count of more than 85 million, geographically almost a quarter of the proper Europe...
I dont understand why do people here pretend Turkey is an insignificant part of the world which cant have its own looks. Anatolia plus Eastern Thrace, head count of more than 85 million, geographically almost a quarter of the proper Europe...
Turks are genetically pred. Anatolian and that's how they look like on average. Which doesn't exclude the fact there is unique Turkish look which has significant Central Asian influence.
Ben de baktım onlara mena'lardan hiçbiri bize kafkaslardan daha yakın değil.
Benim de Mena derken kastettiğim şey daha çok "Batı Asya" kavramıydı, gerçek Orta Doğudan ziyade
Y-DNA Analysis of some relevant groups to give perspective:
https://i.imgur.com/j6MwJQR.jpg
Thracian
06-05-2021, 09:38 AM
Sorry, I’m newbie at genetics, I don’t really understand how it works.
The distances show populations that you are closer to. Minimum distance means the closest population for you. That doesn't necessarily mean you are exactly the same as closest pop. For example, a Serbian can get Moldova as his closest pop. but that doesn't make him a Moldovan. Just means they are genetically similar to each others. So, genetically similar populations cluster with each others, for example a German would be closer to a Dutch rather than a Sicilian.
Turks are genetically pred. Anatolian and that's how they look like on average. Which doesn't exclude the fact there is unique Turkish look which has significant Central Asian influence.
Yeah. But I'd also say that there are unique Turkish looks that have little to do with Central Asian influence too.
Corporate_Demolisher
08-20-2021, 06:24 AM
I’d say it’s a 50/50 even split. I even read somewhere that Turkey has a higher percentage of blue eyes than Greece (slightly).
Corporate_Demolisher
08-20-2021, 06:43 AM
Id say its a 50/50 even split. I even read somewhere that Turkey has a higher percentage of blue eyes than Greece (slightly).
reboun
08-20-2021, 08:45 AM
Totally depends on individual/family.
Hektor12
08-20-2021, 03:50 PM
Do you really think we look european or mena by any means???
https://www.tsk.tr/TempImage/aea0d04b-0d3d-4cf5-9b92-b957942378af/1.jpg
https://s2.dmcdn.net/v/OP6T71VcRlqLVDgsN/x1080
https://i2.cnnturk.com/i/cnnturk/75/800x400/5a429a6eae78491d08373f0a.jpg
https://foto.sondakika.com/haber/2015/07/21/somali-li-askeri-ogrenciler-turkce-kursunu-2-7528248_osd.jpg
https://www.mepanews.com/d/news/6925.jpg
Septentrion
08-21-2021, 02:23 PM
I think they look like 2/3 southern Europe 1/3 mena.
No. They look more MENA than European.
Arūnas
08-21-2021, 04:16 PM
:whistle:
soon they will look Travv alike, the real Turk, Volga Turk
Hektor12
08-21-2021, 09:23 PM
soon they will look Travv alike, the real Turk, Volga Turk
https://i.duvarenglish.com/2/1280/720/storage/files/images/2021/07/22/0-GqrQ_cover.jpg
https://www.defenseworld.net/uploads//news/big/turkey_pl_1502348130.jpg
https://sputniknews.com/sharing_snippet/1054275116.png?1496485239
TheMaestro
08-21-2021, 09:27 PM
Based of soap operas they are super white.
Based of kebab shops they are super non-white.
Based of TA pro Paleo-Atlantid ex-banned members they are French.
Voskos
08-21-2021, 09:31 PM
Do you really think we look european or mena by any means???
https://foto.sondakika.com/haber/2015/07/21/somali-li-askeri-ogrenciler-turkce-kursunu-2-7528248_osd.jpg
I see you're having some trouble assimilating Greek converts.
Hektor12
08-21-2021, 09:41 PM
I see you're having some trouble assimilating Greek converts.
If only they could be E-V13..
TheMaestro
08-22-2021, 09:31 AM
If only they could be E-V13..
That's the problem buddy, they are E-V13
travv
08-22-2021, 12:12 PM
https://i.duvarenglish.com/2/1280/720/storage/files/images/2021/07/22/0-GqrQ_cover.jpg
https://www.defenseworld.net/uploads//news/big/turkey_pl_1502348130.jpg
https://sputniknews.com/sharing_snippet/1054275116.png?1496485239
This can't stop me I plan to arrive by plane but perhaps even the Afghan refugees are a lesser evil compared to the Turkish leftists.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?320171-Meme-and-Shitposting-Thread&p=7274352&viewfull=1#post7274352
Septentrion
08-23-2021, 06:32 AM
I think they look like 2/3 southern Europe 1/3 mena.
Turkish people are by far MENAs! Some have called them sand niggas!
Hektor12
08-23-2021, 03:05 PM
Turkish people are by far MENAs! Some have called them sand niggas!
And do you know how Sheikh called you?
I dont talk to belgians, disgusting people.
Corporate_Demolisher
10-16-2021, 02:55 AM
who cares , I find many Turkish women to be Prettier than many European women.
Lol as if you can tell the difference between a Turkish and a Greek woman. There's no one "European" look. I'm pretty sure a Sicilian woman is phenotypically closer to a Turkish woman than she is to an Anglo-Saxon woman.
Pater Patota
10-16-2021, 04:13 AM
MENA 70% +Central Asiatic 20% + South East Euro 10%
Septentrion
10-16-2021, 02:40 PM
I think they look like 2/3 southern Europe 1/3 mena.
Turks are racial hybrids. Although their main racial cast is that of MENAs. Then varying amount of admixture of Central Asian, Southern European, to a lesser extent East Asian and even Negroid ( minimal) may be added.
kevinmac
10-16-2021, 03:11 PM
Every turk I have seen on T.V looks 100% euro and would pass almost anywhere in Europe so I would definitely say they look more European. Maybe the mongoloid type ones show something different but other than that, from the untrained eye, they are regular white people. But again, Turky is a COUNTRY not a race and they can look like many things.
Mortimer
10-16-2021, 03:51 PM
I think that Mena and South Europe is similar so I could not answer really I don't know if I said that before. I think only the bedouins and Mena with significant ssa are that dark the others are more or less similar to the turks who are similar to the south euros am I right or wrong?
Hungarian_master
10-16-2021, 04:11 PM
I think, they are a half-between both.
RogueState
10-16-2021, 04:24 PM
Turkey is a large country, there are regional phenotypical differences
But as a whole, they look more MENA than Southern Euro
For instance, this French YouTuber of Turkish background, looks like the typical Diaspora Turk that I see everyday (the DNA results are from his sister btw) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7XJVI8Cerc
Freeroostah
10-16-2021, 04:41 PM
In between but they also have their unique Anatolian phenotypes
Hektor12
10-16-2021, 06:16 PM
Negroid ( minimal)Once in your life you had a chance to say something correct and you still missed it. Its not minimal its MAXIMAL.
https://cdn.iha.com.tr/Contents/images/2019/31/2991784.jpg
https://www.memurlar.net/common/news/images/845124/headline.jpg
https://cdnuploads.aa.com.tr/uploads/PhotoGallery/2018/08/07/thumbs_b2_ed61115e2087d7e00a433cf058860b1c.jpg
https://www.globalsavunma.com.tr/resimler/turkiyenin_mogadisu_buyuk_140_2_41.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz_8xMdWoAARUgm.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D34QDlOWwAEt6yx.jpg
Chocolate_Hound
12-24-2021, 03:25 AM
I dont understand why do people here pretend Turkey is an insignificant part of the world which cant have its own looks. Anatolia plus Eastern Thrace, head count of more than 85 million, geographically almost a quarter of the proper Europe...
Right, but such a massive population probably means that the amount of Turks that could pass in Europe is much higher than assumed.
Chocolate_Hound
01-30-2022, 03:06 AM
I'd say it's a 50/50 split, but by American standards, I'd say a majority of Turks look white.
khanx34
01-30-2022, 04:01 AM
i think turkey turks looks like anatolian greek + turcoman mix.
Tsuin
01-30-2022, 05:22 AM
They don't look Southern Euro
Tellmewhy
01-30-2022, 09:03 AM
Mix of Caucasian (Caucasus), Southern European (mostly Greek) and Central Asian (mostly Turkmen).
Cristiano viejo
01-30-2022, 09:23 AM
Turks look MENA, not just "more MENA".
Hektor12
01-30-2022, 11:14 AM
Turks look MENA, not just "more MENA".
Uniformly, all of them?
Cristiano viejo
01-30-2022, 12:45 PM
Uniformly, all of them?
Of course not. There are Turks that look European, or directly Asian.
Cristiano viejo
01-30-2022, 12:49 PM
Uniformly, all of them?
Of course not. There are Turks that look European, or directly Asian.
They have always looked more MENA to me.
Lost Horizon
02-04-2022, 05:24 AM
I've talked with turks online, a lot of them look pretty white to me.
BeSustainable5903
02-04-2022, 05:59 AM
I have vacationed in Turkey multiple times. Depends on the region imo
When i was holidaying in Bodrum, Kayseri and Antalya in 2020, most of the people I came across looked white with very minor Asian influence. In fact, the daughter of my hotel's owner in Bodrum was very typically Balkan looking.
In Cappadocia/Goreme, again, people were pretty white looking. You would not be able to distinguish them from Europeans.
However, Istanbul was a different story. Its like India in a way, with all kinds of mixed phenotypes, ranging from white to very middle. eastern/Asian looking.
BeSustainable5903
02-04-2022, 06:01 AM
Beautiful country with great infrastructure btw. Never understood why so many Turks want to migrate to the likes of Germany and other European countries.
revealism
02-04-2022, 11:21 AM
Beautiful country with great infrastructure btw. Never understood why so many Turks want to migrate to the likes of Germany and other European countries.
money matters mate.
placebo
02-04-2022, 12:14 PM
what is mena looking? first we need to explain.
turk closer to albanian than jordanian but closer to iranian or armenian than albanian.
Cristiano viejo
02-04-2022, 03:25 PM
Beautiful country with great infrastructure btw. Never understood why so many Turks want to migrate to the likes of Germany and other European countries.
It is called Zionism, and a great desire to destroy Europe.
Hoosierboy
02-04-2022, 03:28 PM
Beautiful country with great infrastructure btw. Never understood why so many Turks want to migrate to the likes of Germany and other European countries.
For the gibs.
Thracian
02-05-2022, 07:47 AM
what is mena looking? first we need to explain.
turk closer to albanian than jordanian but closer to iranian or armenian than albanian.
Wrong.
Septentrion
02-07-2022, 01:26 AM
I think they look like 2/3 southern Europe 1/3 mena.
Turkish people are MENAs! Not European!
Hektor12
02-07-2022, 04:13 AM
Turkish people are MENAs! Not European!
People who have special needs (like yourself) shouldnt give opinion on complex things. Turkish people are neither european nor MENA, they are ***Turkish*** as called.
Chocolate_Hound
02-11-2022, 02:41 AM
It varies. Some Turks can look like a cross between the two, for example Soner Cagaptay (in some pics he looks Southern Euro, others very MENA). Enes Kanter also looks MENA-ish (but not full on). Others look fully Southern European (like Cenk Uygur).
Didac
02-11-2022, 09:44 PM
Turks are essentially a Levantine with 10ish% average ofc central Asian
Tooting Carmen
02-11-2022, 10:03 PM
Turks are essentially a Levantine with 10ish% average ofc central Asian
Nah, they are far more European-admixed than are Levantines, surely?
Didac
02-11-2022, 10:14 PM
Nah, they are far more European-admixed than are Levantines, surely?
Not really Levantines are literally at the genetic border of Europe. Their admix might not be direct from Europe but naturally their dna is very very close with Europe. After ashkenazi jews and Samaritans and Cypriots the next closest population to Europe is the Levantine reigon aka Lebanese Syrians etc and Turkish people
placebo
02-18-2022, 09:12 PM
Turks are essentially a Levantine with 10ish% average ofc central Asian
Nope. Levantine results is more southern shifted than Turkish and also Levantine has SSA. Turkish people lack of SSA. Turkish results more like intermediate between Greek/Bulgarian and Armenian/Iranian with 5-15% mongoloid.
Nah, they are far more European-admixed than are Levantines, surely?
Yep and it's not just because Anatolia. Turkic people already has European admixture.
TheMaestro
02-18-2022, 10:12 PM
Wrong.
Well in fact, many Turks have Greek/Albanian origin and believe me that's milions of them. Asimilation hit hard. Thats why they can look white, normally they wouldnt at all.
HectorOfTroy
02-18-2022, 10:20 PM
they look like their own thing. caucasian + mena + asiatic
placebo
02-18-2022, 10:25 PM
Well in fact, many Turks have Greek/Albanian origin and believe me that's milions of them. Asimilation hit hard. Thats why they can look white, normally they wouldnt at all.
You always trying so hard. XDDDDD
It's not assimilation. Yeah there are some Turk with partly Albanian/Bosniak origin because of marriage. But there is no assimilation.
For example Dr. Mehmet Oz, his DNA results similar to typical Central Anatolian but he looks Anglo American. European passing doesn't mean assimilation or Jannisary ancestry. :DDD
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?314677-Dr-Oz-Gedmatch-results
placebo
02-18-2022, 10:28 PM
Wrong.
depends on which turk we talking about.
TheMaestro
02-18-2022, 10:31 PM
You always trying so hard. XDDDDD
It's not assimilation. Yeah there are some Turk with partly Albanian/Bosniak origin because of marriage. But there is no assimilation.
For example Dr. Mehmet Oz, his DNA results similar to typical Central Anatolian but he looks Anglo American. European passing doesn't mean assimilation or Jannisary ancestry. :DDD
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?314677-Dr-Oz-Gedmatch-results
There are literally fully Albanians that moved to Constantinople for a better live years years ago, now those Arnavuts cant even speak Albanian. And that is just a small example. Same goes with Greeks. Western Turkey is land of Greeks and not Turks.
placebo
02-18-2022, 10:39 PM
There are literally fully Albanians that moved to Constantinople for a better live years years ago, now those Arnavuts cant even speak Albanian. And that is just a small example. Same goes with Greeks. Western Turkey is land of Greeks and not Turks.
İstanbul*
Yeah but it's minority. I am not against multinationalty and I am not racist, but you are trying to make me racist by denying my origins.
Western Turkey is the land of grandchildren of nomadic Turks. And this is already proven by DNA results. Western Turks genetically carry the highest Turkic heritage than other parts.
Show some respect and leave the stupid historical or religious stuff behind. My ancestors have been in those lands for maybe 600 700 years.
TheMaestro
02-19-2022, 10:02 AM
İstanbul*
Yeah but it's minority. I am not against multinationalty and I am not racist, but you are trying to make me racist by denying my origins.
Western Turkey is the land of grandchildren of nomadic Turks. And this is already proven by DNA results. Western Turks genetically carry the highest Turkic heritage than other parts.
Show some respect and leave the stupid historical or religious stuff behind. My ancestors have been in those lands for maybe 600 700 years.
700 years wow, what about Greeks who were there for 5000 years? You guys forced those people to exchange homes. Turkic people are not native to Anatolia therefore they are recent migrants to the place.
Turks have obsessions of being white like Indians, their soap opera is the best example.
https://i.imgur.com/3zfvFbR.jpg
Nevertheless, I don't mind Turks having their home Anataolia, but Constantinople doesn't belong to them neither tham much of west coast.
Tellmewhy
02-19-2022, 10:23 AM
700 years wow, what about Greeks who were there for 5000 years? You guys forced those people to exchange homes. Turkic people are not native to Anatolia therefore they are recent migrants to the place.
Turks have obsessions of being white like Indians, their soap opera is the best example.
https://i.imgur.com/3zfvFbR.jpg
Nevertheless, I don't mind Turks having their home Anataolia, but Constantinople doesn't belong to them neither tham much of west coast.
Then tell me why western and southern coasts of Turkey have the highest East Eurasian admixture? Did it also come via Greeks and Albanians? ;)
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQxKdcya23AnPQveZnyS3Nt-v2J2BCwx3SZeg&usqp=CAU
placebo
02-19-2022, 10:44 AM
700 years wow, what about Greeks who were there for 5000 years? You guys forced those people to exchange homes. Turkic people are not native to Anatolia therefore they are recent migrants to the place.
Turks have obsessions of being white like Indians, their soap opera is the best example.
https://i.imgur.com/3zfvFbR.jpg
Nevertheless, I don't mind Turks having their home Anataolia, but Constantinople doesn't belong to them neither tham much of west coast.
? I don’t deny Greeks also lived in Anatolia. But in history, everyone migrates from one place to another. If you say so, get the fuck out of the Pannonia.
There is no obsession and you Balkanites is not change Turkish genetic pool. There are many actors/actress with Balkan origin but also there are many actor/actress with Anatolian, Caucasus, Kurd or Arab origin. Btw Balkan Turk is already Turk like Anatolian Turk. Come Turkey and see nobody gives a fuck about whiteness, you will be no different from other people. And still I say, it’s not about assimilation or devshirme. :D
Avicenna
02-20-2022, 08:17 AM
700 years wow, what about Greeks who were there for 5000 years? You guys forced those people to exchange homes. Turkic people are not native to Anatolia therefore they are recent migrants to the place.
Turks have obsessions of being white like Indians, their soap opera is the best example.
https://i.imgur.com/3zfvFbR.jpg
Nevertheless, I don't mind Turks having their home Anataolia, but Constantinople doesn't belong to them neither tham much of west coast.
Engin ( ertugrul) is Balkan Turk
Engin ( ertugrul) is Balkan Turk
nah he's actually Albanian.
placebo
02-21-2022, 09:44 AM
Engin ( ertugrul) is Balkan Turk
Engin Altan Düzyatan is Albanian but really looks Turkish.
Avicenna
02-21-2022, 10:42 AM
nah he's actually Albanian.
Düzyatan was born on 26 July 1979, in Karşıyaka, İzmir, Turkey,[3][4] to Mevlan and Gülşen Düzyatan.[5] Engin Altan Düzyatan began acting during his high school days. His parents were Turkish migrants from Yugoslavia.[6][7]
He doesn't look Albanian, I've seen many Albanians and he doesn't look it . He can certainly pass but he looks very Turkish . He's a Balkan Turk . I've never heard of an Albanian called Gulsen or altan let alone the surnsme Duzyatan .
placebo
02-21-2022, 10:48 AM
Düzyatan was born on 26 July 1979, in Karşıyaka, İzmir, Turkey,[3][4] to Mevlan and Gülşen Düzyatan.[5] Engin Altan Düzyatan began acting during his high school days. His parents were Turkish migrants from Yugoslavia.[6][7]
He doesn't look Albanian, I've seen many Albanians and he doesn't look it . He can certainly pass but he looks very Turkish . He's a Balkan Turk . I've never heard of an Albanian called Gulsen or altan let alone the surnsme Duzyatan .
His ancestors came from Albania but maybe they're Turk from Albania. Balkan Turks generally lived in Bulgaria, Greece, Romania and Macedonia.
Btw almost all Albanians and Bosniaks in Turkey have Turkish name and surname.
Mejgusu
02-21-2022, 10:48 AM
This history series of Turkey are so ridiculous, I cant understand how people can like them. Instead of watching this nonsense people should buy books for their children, its incredible how many(mostly by non Turks btw) come to me and asking me about this series. No wonder why Turks suffer from cehalet.
placebo
02-21-2022, 10:52 AM
This history series of Turkey are so ridiculous, I can’t understand how people can like them. Instead of watching this nonsense people should buy books for their children, its incredible how many(mostly by non Turks btw) come to me and asking me about this series. No wonder why Turks suffer from cehalet.
And all of them almost same lol, just era changes but the scenario is always same. In Turkey, more conservative people watch these series. I'm not saying it's totally bad, the costumes and setting are good, but they're all the same and cliche.
TheMaestro
02-21-2022, 10:56 AM
Then tell me why western and southern coasts of Turkey have the highest East Eurasian admixture? Did it also come via Greeks and Albanians? ;)
You know you can drive a plane and car nowaydays and move wherever you want? All Turks move towards Constantinople/Izmir and Ankara.
TheMaestro
02-21-2022, 10:57 AM
? I don’t deny Greeks also lived in Anatolia. But in history, everyone migrates from one place to another. If you say so, get the fuck out of the Pannonia.
There is no obsession and you Balkanites is not change Turkish genetic pool. There are many actors/actress with Balkan origin but also there are many actor/actress with Anatolian, Caucasus, Kurd or Arab origin. Btw Balkan Turk is already Turk like Anatolian Turk. Come Turkey and see nobody gives a fuck about whiteness, you will be no different from other people. And still I say, it’s not about assimilation or devshirme. :D
My mother ancestors are genetically from Pannonia so why should I move away from my region? xd
placebo
02-21-2022, 11:00 AM
My mother ancestors are genetically from Pannonia so why should I move away from my region? xd
My maternal ancestors are genetically from Western Turkey so why should I move away from my region?
TheMaestro
02-21-2022, 11:02 AM
My maternal ancestors are genetically from Western Turkey so why should I move away from my region?
Then you are half Greek not Turk.
Didac
02-21-2022, 11:58 AM
Nope. Levantine results is more southern shifted than Turkish and also Levantine has SSA. Turkish people lack of SSA. Turkish results more like intermediate between Greek/Bulgarian and Armenian/Iranian with 5-15% mongoloid.
Levantines have no ssa dna. Theyre more southern shifted bc they have no asiatic dna .
Yep and it's not just because Anatolia. Turkic people already has European admixture.
Avicenna
02-21-2022, 02:59 PM
Levantines do have SSA , let's not deny realities now my sock account friend
Avicenna
02-21-2022, 03:00 PM
His ancestors came from Albania but maybe they're Turk from Albania. Balkan Turks generally lived in Bulgaria, Greece, Romania and Macedonia.
Btw almost all Albanians and Bosniaks in Turkey have Turkish name and surname.
Can you provide my any source which says that please ? I'm finding it hard to believe he's Albanian .
placebo
02-21-2022, 05:08 PM
Can you provide my any source which says that please ? I'm finding it hard to believe he's Albanian .
I don't know about English websites but in Turkish sources some say his ancestors Albanian, some say Balkan Turk from Yugoslavia.
"Arnavut asıllı olan Engin Altan Düzyatan Neslişah Alkoçlar ile evlidir."
"Engin Altan Düzyatan, who is of Albanian origin, is married to Neslişah Alkoçlar."
But probably he's Balkan Turk because I found this interview.
"İkisi de vazgeçmek istemiyorlar; Engin Altan oluyor. Büyük dedemler, Yugoslavyadan Türkiyeye göçüyorlar. Yugoslavyada doğan Türklerdeniz."
"Neither of them want to give up; and becomes 'Engin Altan'. My great grandparents immigrated from Yugoslavia to Turkey. We are Turks born in Yugoslavia. "
I deffo can see it in him. But does look mixed
Avicenna
02-21-2022, 06:59 PM
I don't know about English websites but in Turkish sources some say his ancestors Albanian, some say Balkan Turk from Yugoslavia.
"Arnavut asıllı olan Engin Altan Düzyatan Neslişah Alkoçlar ile evlidir."
"Engin Altan Düzyatan, who is of Albanian origin, is married to Neslişah Alkoçlar."
But probably he's Balkan Turk because I found this interview.
"İkisi de vazgeçmek istemiyorlar; ‘Engin Altan’ oluyor. Büyük dedemler, Yugoslavya’dan Türkiye’ye göçüyorlar. Yugoslavya’da doğan Türklerdeniz."
"Neither of them want to give up; and becomes 'Engin Altan'. My great grandparents immigrated from Yugoslavia to Turkey. We are Turks born in Yugoslavia. "
Well there we have it, from his own mouth he's a balkan Turk . He even looks it man, I swear every other turk looks like him lol
Mejgusu
02-21-2022, 09:19 PM
Maybe I am Albanian too, I like their women and songs. Hopefully one day you guys discuss about me too - “Is Mejgusu Albanian, Kurd, Spaniard, Somali, Lithuanian or a Turk?“
Well there we have it, from his own mouth he's a balkan Turk . He even looks it man, I swear every other turk looks like him lol
Never heard of Balkan Turks in Albania. I remember the turkish member of Bosnian background here who also claimed he is Turkish. Despite not even being Balkan Turk.
I would even go as far as saying there are no Turks from Albania.
But I might be wrong.
Avicenna
02-22-2022, 02:59 PM
Never heard of Balkan Turks in Albania. I remember the turkish member of Bosnian background here who also claimed he is Turkish. Despite not even being Balkan Turk.
I would even go as far as saying there are no Turks from Albania.
But I might be wrong.
It says his parents were from yugoslavia. Albania was never part of Yugoslavia but Kosovo was . I think those Turks from Albania either migrated to turkey or they got albanised .
It says his parents were from yugoslavia. Albania was never part of Yugoslavia but Kosovo was . I think those Turks from Albania either migrated to turkey or they got albanised .
I still don't think he is a Balkan Turk.
A study of a collection of Albanian folk songs, published in 1870s by Thimi Mitko, suggests that most Albanian speakers of his time identified themselves and each other through various terms and not a single national designation. Among other terms, Muslims were identified as turq or turkollarë ("Turks")
Avicenna
02-22-2022, 05:25 PM
I still don't think he is a Balkan Turk.
We are just going round in circles bro . If he's not Balkan Turk what the fuq is he ? Albanian? Really? Firstly show me any evidence which supports this such as a quote from engins mouth, or atleast his family's name / surname . Burden of proof is on you man . He's Balkan Turk and I'm convinced he is since he even looks it .
Mejgusu
02-22-2022, 05:32 PM
We are just going round in circles bro . If he's not Balkan Turk what the fuq is he ? Albanian? Really? Firstly show me any evidence which supports this such as a quote from engins mouth, or atleast his family's name / surname . Burden of proof is on you man . He's Balkan Turk and I'm convinced he is since he even looks it .
Why are you so insistent about his ethnic identity. Who cares?
We are just going round in circles bro . If he's not Balkan Turk what the fuq is he ? Albanian? Really? Firstly show me any evidence which supports this such as a quote from engins mouth, or atleast his family's name / surname . Burden of proof is on you man . He's Balkan Turk and I'm convinced he is since he even looks it .
He's born in Turkey. I don't know if all of his ancestry is from Albania/kosovo.
I'm just saying i havent seen a turkish influenced DNA result from Albania/Kosovo yet.
GoalPoacher
02-22-2022, 09:11 PM
Turks look like Turks. In terms of genetics we're pretty distant from both Europeans and MENAs so we don't have to be similar to anyone. End this pointless discussion.
Avicenna
02-22-2022, 09:44 PM
Turks look like Turks. In terms of genetics we're pretty distant from both Europeans and MENAs so we don't have to be similar to anyone. End this pointless discussion.
Turks are not that close to most Arabs or north africans , central / west / north euros , but you are close to Balkans + northern west Asia and Caucasus . And if you look at a map it makes sense .
Avicenna
02-22-2022, 09:45 PM
He's born in Turkey. I don't know if all of his ancestry is from Albania/kosovo.
I'm just saying i havent seen a turkish influenced DNA result from Albania/Kosovo yet.
His ancestors are probably Balkan turks from macadonia or Kosovo .
Urbanuss
04-25-2022, 11:37 PM
Never!
Dont assimilate Kebabs with Southern Euros
Odelia
04-26-2022, 03:19 AM
Do Argentinians look more native or southern European? Do Americans look more European or Latino? .........I've had it with these fucking what do Turks look like thread? Turkey is a fucking melting pot nowadays. Actually it always was. Ottomans fucked a lot of people, from Asiatic types to Baltics, Near Easterners and Greeks. Turks are a mishmash of these ethnic groups. Their facial features kinda tell it! Not to mention a lot of them are Kurds as well!
Idc but "Turkish" is a nationality like Argentine and Brazilian, not an ethnicity! There are Turks of Levantine descent, of Kurdish descent, of Armenian descent, of Caucasus descent, Greek, Azeri, Iranian, Baltic, etc and etc....yadda yadda.....
Urbanuss
04-26-2022, 03:33 AM
Do Argentinians look more native or southern European? Do Americans look more European or Latino? .........I've had it with these fucking what do Turks look like thread? Turkey is a fucking melting pot nowadays. Actually it always was. Ottomans fucked a lot of people, from Asiatic types to Baltics, Near Easterners and Greeks. Turks are a mishmash of these ethnic groups. Their facial features kinda tell it! Not to mention a lot of them are Kurds as well!
Idc but "Turkish" is a nationality like Argentine and Brazilian, not an ethnicity! There are Turks of Levantine descent, of Kurdish descent, of Armenian descent, of Caucasus descent, Greek, Azeri, Iranian, Baltic, etc and etc....yadda yadda.....
The stereotypical turkish looking is some of turanid + armenoid, thats ridiculous to consider these guys more southern euros than MENA.
Tongio
04-26-2022, 03:56 AM
The stereotypical turkish looking is some of turanid + armenoid, thats ridiculous to consider these guys more southern euros than MENA.
Depends on where in turkey, lots of turks look perfectly south european and before turning muslim and receiving central asian blood they where not very diferent from greeks in the west.The armenoid component only seems to be this dominant the more east you go.
Urbanuss
04-26-2022, 04:04 AM
Depends on where in turkey, lots of turks look perfectly south european and before turning muslim and receiving central asian blood they where not very diferent from greeks in the west.The armenoid component only seems to be this dominant the more east you go.
Well, there´s may have some examples of euro looking turks, but genetically its different, they arent closer to any euro.
that's why I prefer genetics over phenotype.
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