Do you think Da Vinci had some North African influence in his looks?

[Methuselah]

https://i.ibb.co/pvVGPdQ/da-vinci-self-portrait-best-of-leonardo-da-vinci-stock-s-amp-leonardo-da-vinci-stock-alamy-of-da-vinci-self-portrait-1.jpg

[JMack]

No, but I think you have SSA influence in your brain.

[Rædwald]

No.

[pulstar]

:bowlol::bowlol:

[Zeus]

How so? are you just saying that because he's Italian lol?

[Celestia]

Nah

[Nassbean]

stop trolling

[Blondie]

Is this a troll question? :D He looks full european...

[Smeagol]

He was about European looking as you can get.

[Methuselah]

How so? are you just saying that because he's Italian lol?
His mother had quite possibly some Arabic or Jewish influence. They have a bit of NA in them. How shocking.

No, but I think you have SSA influence in your brain.
Aren't you quite African yourself? You are telling me this like you trying to offend me.

Is this a troll question? :D He looks full european...
Not really. And how is this related to being European? Of course he is European. Doesn't mean he can't have some MENA in him. Just like Northern Europeans might have some Siberian in them. Hey guys it's all right, just breathe! :rolleyes:

He was about European looking as you can get.
Yes. But that wasn't my question. Ed Sheeran looks "as European as you can get" as well. But look at his eyes. He's under the influence. It's not that hard guys. Or is it. Is it that hard really?

[Kess]

Da Vinci looks nothing but European

[Blondie]

Not really. And how is this related to being European? Of course he is European. Doesn't mean he can't have some MENA in him. Just like Northern Europeans might have some Siberian in them. Hey guys it's all right, just breathe! :rolleyes

He's very european without any mena influence lol

[Phenix]

No.

[Methuselah]

He's very european without any mena influence lol

He looks like a proper mix of North and South. And a bit of MENA.

[Blondie]

And a bit of MENA.

Nope :)

[Not a Cop]

It's very hard to judge people's looks by portraits.

[Latinus]

Nope.
I also don't give a shit about "muh, racial purity", he was a white man, Noric type, I think.

[Methuselah]

It's very hard to judge people's looks by portraits.

Do you think Mona Lisa looks a bit like Putin?

[Not a Cop]

Do you think Mona Lisa looks a bit like Putin?

Not really.

[Methuselah]

Not really.

https://i.ibb.co/xD4pGKp/hErr5EZ.jpg
They look like they both have a bit Northern European, Slavic and West Asian in them. I have seen people like Mona Lisa and Putin in Finland. They were some stranger Finnish- Russian- German mixes with Roma admixture which probably gave them that West Asian feel.

Loot at this lady for instance. https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Guzenina

[Mans not hot]

Berber type, look like Moroccan.

[MinervaItalica]

Highly impossible.


And a bit of MENA.

Not even near.

I knew that Da Vinci was claimed by nazis to be Germanic but now even MENA or NA? I don't know which is the funniest... :picard1:

[Methuselah]

Highly impossible.



Not even near.

I knew that Da Vinci was claimed by nazis to be Germanic but now even MENA? I don't know which is the funniest.

Guys you need to understand that Da Vinci is not how Scandinavians look like. Nazis were a bit dumb.

What about those claims Da Vinci having Arabic or Jewish mother who was a slave?

Why is it highly impossible for a person to have a bit of MENA in him?

[MinervaItalica]

Guys you need to understand that Da Vinci is not how Scandinavians look like. Nazis were a bit dumb.

What about those claims Da Vinci having Arabic or Jewish mother who was a slave?

No mention of Scandinavian but of the mythological "Nordic race". At least from what I've heard. Not surprised since nazis and Hitler were admirers of the Italian rich history especially Renaissance and Roman Empire.

Interesting, tell me more. Never heard about that shit, I would be interested to read more about that. Do u have a source?

[JMack]

Aren't you quite African yourself? You are telling me this like you trying to offend me.


Do you really think this kind of information is true: ''Sudanid + Med + Hallstatt, Onto-Sudanic + Iberian + Malagasy + Serbian + South India + Filipino''? I think I spotted well your intellectual capabilities. :lol:

[Methuselah]

Do you really think this kind of information is true: ''Sudanid + Med + Hallstatt, Onto-Sudanic + Iberian + Malagasy + Serbian + South India + Filipino''? I think I spotted well your intellectual capabilities. :lol:

Do you think i'm gonna read all the bullshit you wrote on your profile? I assumed you are a latino or something. Of course i knew you are some fake shit.

[Methuselah]

No mention of Scandinavian but of the mythological "Nordic race". At least from what I've heard. Not surprised since nazis and Hitler were admirers of the Italian rich history especially Renaissance and Roman Empire.

Interesting, tell me more. Never heard about that shit, I would be interested to read more about that. Do u have a source?

https://www.livescience.com/59454-identity-of-leonardo-da-vinci-mother.html

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2008/apr/12/art.italy

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2017/may/20/leonardo-da-vinci-orphan-mother-caterina

Are you sure you have never heard of this?

[Smeagol]

“What had become progressively attractive in the public domain,” he says, “was that Caterina was a slave, an African slave, or even an Oriental slave. Caterina was a name that tends to be given to slaves.”

:rolleyes2:

[kaltar]

Martin Kemp, mentioned in the articles, thinks that it is not true that Leonardo's mother was a foreigner.


Kemp hopes his work will put an end to “totally implausible myths” that have built up about Leonardo’s life.


Kemp, an emeritus professor of art history at Oxford University, painted Caterina as a local.

[Methuselah]

Martin Kemp, mentioned in the articles, thinks that it is not true that Leonardo's mother was a foreigner.

Maybe she was. Maybe she wasn't.

https://i.ibb.co/mGVwh2T/Article.jpg

[kaltar]

She wasn't. All arguments for his mother's foreign origin are very weak.


https://i.imgur.com/CPTrUHm.jpg

[Methuselah]

She wasn't. All arguments for his mother's foreign origin are very weak.


https://i.imgur.com/CPTrUHm.jpg

This might be the case yes. Leo still got those dinaricized features in him.

[MinervaItalica]

https://www.livescience.com/59454-identity-of-leonardo-da-vinci-mother.html

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2008/apr/12/art.italy

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2017/may/20/leonardo-da-vinci-orphan-mother-caterina

Are you sure you have never heard of this?

The Guardian!? The same dumb tabloid that says that The League is a FAR-RIGHT party!? :rotfl:

Sorry but all i can see are theories and speculations. The theory of the supposed middle eastern origins of the mother is dated 2006.

You'll have to translate.

https://www.adnkronos.com/cultura/2017/05/23/leonardo-svelato-mistero-ecco-chi-era-vera-madre_cw4wJjv7aXWLB41T8O8NXI.html

http://www.rainews.it/dl/rainews/media/madre-leonardo-da-vinci-studio-kemp-e91f8a6b-f1aa-4a45-b4c7-d231f53d71f9.html#foto-1


Seconda teoria (più accreditata). Il suo vero nome era Caterina di Meo Lippi. Questo è quanto è emerso dai recenti studi sulla sua vera identità secondo lo storico dell'arte inglese Martin Kemp, professore dell'Università di Oxford, tra i maggiori conoscitori dell'opera del genio del Rinascimento, e dal ricercatore Giuseppe Pallanti, autori del libro di imminente pubblicazione dal titolo "Mona Lisa: The People and the Painting" per la Oxford University Press. Gli studiosi hanno individuato a Vinci anche l'ubicazione della 'Casa in Borgo' di proprietà del nonno Antonio prima e del padre Ser Piero poi come sicuro luogo in cui Leonardo trascorse l'infanzia a Vinci e possibile luogo di nascita del futuro artista. "L'identità della madre di Leonardo è stata a lungo materia di speculazione. Alcuni hanno sostenuto che Caterina fosse una schiava d'oltremare. Il luogo esatto della sua nascita è sempre stato molto incerto, sebbene la tradizione l'abbia identificato con la casa natale in Anchiano - affermano Kemp e Pallanti - Adesso, attraverso i documenti pubblicati nel nostro libro, possiamo sostenere ragionevolmente che la madre di Leonardo può essere identificata con una povera ragazza di 16 anni, di nome Caterina di Meo Lippi".

https://www.leonardodavinci-italy.it/la-famiglia-di-leonardo


Un prestigioso storico dell'arte britannico, Martin Kemp, specializzato in studi su Leonardo da Vinci, ha finalmente svelato uno dei misteri legati all'esistenza di Leonardo da Vinci. Nel libro "Mona Lisa: The People and the Painting", scritto con Giuseppe Pallanti, Kemp rivela la vera identità della madre di Leonardo, figura che aveva fatto sbizzarrire gli studiosi con le più disparate congetture. Tra le più fantasiose, quella secondo cui la madre dell'artista sarebbe stata una schiava africana. Nulla di tutto questo, secondo Kemp, che, analizzando una gran mole di dati, tra cui quelli relativi alle tasse e ai possedimenti in Toscana negli anni nel periodo in cui Leonardo era nato, si dice certo che la madre del genio fosse una giovane orfana di appena quindici anni, Caterina di Meo Lippi, sedotta da un avvocato fiorentino di venticinque anni, Ser Piero da Vinci. La famiglia dell'avvocato provvide subito a combinare le sue nozze con un miglior partito, ma offrì una dote anche a Caterina, che potè così sposare un contadino, Antonio di Piero Buti. Il piccolo Leonardo crebbe invece con il nonno paterno Antonio da Vinci, che, nel resoconto delle tasse dell'anno 1457 segna i familiari a suo carico, tra cui Leonardo, figlio illegittimo del figlio Piero e di Caterina.

https://www.radiomontecarlo.net/news/rmc-arte/232228/leonardo-da-vinci-svelato-il-mistero-sulla-madre.html


Qualche informazione certa, tuttavia, ce l’abbiamo.

Di sicuro Leonardo era il figlio illegittimo di Piero Da Vinci e di una giovane di nome Caterina, ma quest’ultima non è mai stata individuata con assoluta certezza, sebbene la tesi di Kemp e Pallanti appaia piuttosto probabile.

Caterina di Meo Lippi, di umilissima estrazione sociale, avrebbe partorito il futuro artista e scienziato a soli 16 anni.

Meno plausibile la teoria secondo la quale egli sarebbe stato il figlio di una schiava mediorientale.

http://www.diggita.it/v.php?id=1630523

[Regnera]

Nope

[Latinus]

Let the man rest in peace, he deserves it.

[Corded]

No

[Methuselah]

Let the man rest in peace, he deserves it.

Man i'm a fan of Da Vinci. But i don't think it's NA in him. Probably tiny little West Asian stuff.

[Papastratosels26]

Nope

[Methuselah]

Nope

A little bit of some Northern Mesopotamia?
https://i.ibb.co/cJf3SVN/portrait-of-leonardo-da-vinci-artist-unknown.jpg

[Token]

She wasn't. All arguments for his mother's foreign origin are very weak.


https://i.imgur.com/CPTrUHm.jpg

Corded Nordic