I consider Spaniards to be white now

[Borealis]

I have done some research and I realized they are more white than other southern europeans-opposite of what I was thinking. I thought they were almost brown.

[Latinus]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=21777&dateline=1555384445

[Zuh]

I have met Spaniards before in many parts of California and this was their common average phenotype in many states where there's latino majority population would be seen as none white.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcR2TvRvbC8MQ3NiejwbmRVzaFIChHk kX6atI5q1df_IIlN0bQm-

https://gezimanya.com/sites/default/files/foto-galeri/gorseller/spain1.jpg

[Borealis]

I have met Spaniards before in many parts of California and this was their common average phenotype in many states where there's latino majority population would be seen as none white.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcR2TvRvbC8MQ3NiejwbmRVzaFIChHk kX6atI5q1df_IIlN0bQm-

https://gezimanya.com/sites/default/files/foto-galeri/gorseller/spain1.jpg

they are swarthy but not more than other southern europeans

[Matty74]

European Spaniards share very little in common with the Hispanics of Latin America other than a language and perhaps the Catholic faith. Their origins are most likely a mix of Germanic tribal migrations and Roman and Mediterranean influences.

[Latinus]

they are swarthy but not more than other southern europeans

The average is not swarthy, not all. Most Southern Euros when untanned have a medium skintone, not swarthy.

[Borealis]

The average is not swarthy, not all. Most Southern Euros when untanned have a medium skintone, not swarthy.

A few of those in the pic remind me of latinos ive seen in real life

[Latinus]

A few of those in the pic remind me of latinos ive seen in real life

Yeah, because many Latinos have Iberian phenotypes, that's why they look familiar to you.

[Zuh]

European Spaniards share very little in common with the Hispanics of Latin America other than a language and perhaps the Catholic faith. Their origins are most likely a mix of Germanic tribal migrations and Roman and Mediterranean influences.

What are you talking about tons of mexicans and other Latinos are white.

Here some mexican americans who could be Spanish except the girl in the middle of course.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXrvQWUWJBA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p43hyyfQNU

[Borealis]

Yeah, because many Latinos have Iberian phenotypes, that's why they look familiar to you.

No wonder theres one lady here thats like that.

[Latinus]

No wonder theres one lady here thats like that.

Who is that?

[FinalFlash]

A few of those in the pic remind me of latinos ive seen in real life

Their Iberian ancestry is reflected in their phenotypes if you have seen Latinos that look Spanish.

[JMack]

Average Spaniards look like Casillas:

https://cdn.record.pt/images/2019-03/img_920x519$2019_03_18_16_56_34_1520228.jpg

Or Guardiola (when they are darker):

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Josep+Guardiola+Profile+Pep+Guardiola+MEOSv5oDEcMl .jpg

Spaniards don't look like the North Atlantids Cristiano viejo and Spanish posters generally post, but they don't look like the image Americans have of ''Latinos'' anyway. There isn't even an average ''Latino'' look outside of US since it's an inexistent identity in Latin America.

In Hispanic America only Argentinians, Uruguayans and part of Cubans look like Spaniards on average (Brazil is not Hispanic and I think White Brazilians look different from White Argentinians/Cubans/Uruguayans).

[Zuh]

Their Iberian ancestry is reflected in their phenotypes if you have seen Latinos that look Spanish.

Even in many mixed Latinos as well you don't have to be white to look Spanish me for example I look mixed but the Mediterrean component on me is very strong and no way i can pass as native neither from U.S or Mexico.

[Smeagol]

In Hispanic America only Argentinians, Uruguyans and part of Cubans look like Spaniards on average (Brazil is not Hispanic).

I would think they were heavily mixed with other Europeans, Italians and Germans and such.

[FinalFlash]

Even in many mixed Latinos as well you don't have to be white to look Spanish me for example I look mixed but the Mediterrean component on me is very strong and no way i can pass as native neither from U.S or Mexico.

If the Med component in you is very strong then phenotypically, you are white.

[JMack]

I would think they were heavily mixed with other Europeans, Italians and Germans and such.

No, most of their ancestry is Spanish. Uruguayans are mainly Iberian by far, Argentinians have more diversity but still predominantly Iberian. Most Whites from Southern parts of Latin America (from ''Central Brazil'' down to Patagonia) are predominantly Iberian. In the case of Argentinians and Brazilians the non-Iberian input is larger, but not to the point of becoming predominant.

[Latinus]

Average Spaniards look like Casillas:

https://cdn.record.pt/images/2019-03/img_920x519$2019_03_18_16_56_34_1520228.jpg

Or Guardiola (when they are darker):

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Josep+Guardiola+Profile+Pep+Guardiola+MEOSv5oDEcMl .jpg

Spaniards don't look like the North Atlantids Cristiano viejo and Spanish posters generally post, but they don't look like the image Americans have of ''Latinos'' anyway. There isn't even an average ''Latino'' look outside of US since it's an inexistent identity in Latin America.

In Hispanic America only Argentinians, Uruguayans and part of Cubans look like Spaniards on average (Brazil is not Hispanic and I think White Brazilians look different from White Argentinians/Cubans/Uruguayans).

My avatar is Mexican and has a fully Spanish phenotype, but, like the vast majority of Mexicans is not pure Euro genetically, one of his grandmas has Amerindian features.
About white Brazilians VS white Argentinians/Uruguayans/ Cubans, which percentage would you say overlap? Mr. Wog said that in Buenos Aires the Dinarid and swarthy types are more common than in Rio de Janeiro, for example. There is a white latino look, I would say it's an Alpine-Med type in females, that I see in Brazil and also among the Hermanos and Mexicans.

[Zuh]

If the Med component in you is very strong then phenotypically, you are white.

Not really because I tan extremely fast anyway the most I can pass is north african and probably atypical Canarian islander which they are Spanish and Berber mixed anyway this is me as baby.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?9636-Members-Baby-Pictures&p=5786992&viewfull=1#post5786992

[Mortimer]

Of course, spaniards are white. I have no idea what their phenotype diversity is but they are europeans so they are white.

[Latinus]

Even in many mixed Latinos as well you don't have to be white to look Spanish me for example I look mixed but the Mediterrean component on me is very strong and no way i can pass as native neither from U.S or Mexico.

Wait... how can you can you be a non-white and still look Spanish?

[Zuh]

Wait... how can you can you be a non-white and still look Spanish?

I mean the Spanish side in mestizos is very clear like water so to the gringo untrained eye probably won't be able to distinguish many dark med spaniards and mestizos and castizos etc

[JMack]

My avatar is Mexican and has a fully Spanish phenotype, but, like the vast majority of Mexicans is not pure Euro genetically, one of his grandmas has Amerindian features.
About white Brazilians VS white Argentinians/Uruguayans/ Cubans, which percentage would you say overlap? Mr. Wog said that in Buenos Aires the Dinarid and swarthy types are more common than in Rio de Janeiro, for example. There is a white latino look, I would say it's an Alpine-Med type in females, that I see in Brazil and also among the Hermanos and Mexicans.

I'm talking about averages, not random individuals. You can likely find people who look Spanish/European even in Guatemala, it doesn't mean anything. Among Hispanics only Argentinians/Uruguayans and Cubans have significant parts of their populations overlapping with Spaniards in terms of phenotypes.

I think White Brazilians look more varied, but maybe my experience is different from yours since you're from Rio and I'm from the countryside and most people in the places my parents come from have recent Italian, German and even other types of European ancestry (in my father's town there are even Slovaks and Romanians).

Where I'm living now due to work (Belo Horizonte, Minas Gerais) I see that there's more variety of phenotypes among upper and middle class whites (who tend to have more non-Iberian surnames) than among working class whites (who tend to be more Iberian and have mostly Portuguese surnames). I think it's probably similar in Rio. Richer neighbourhoods tend to have plenty of non-Iberian surnames in MG/RJ big cities.

[Zuh]

I'm talking about averages, not random individuals. You can likely find people who look Spanish/European even in Guatemala, it doesn't mean anything. Among Hispanics only Argentinians/Uruguayans and Cubans have significant parts of their populations overlapping with Spaniards in terms of phenotypes.

I think White Brazilians look more varied, but maybe my experience is different from yours since you're from Rio and I'm from the countryside and most people in the places my parents come from have recent Italian, German and even other types of European ancestry (in my father town there are even Slovaks and Romanians).

Where I'm living now due to work (Belo Horizonte, Minas Gerais) I see that there's more variety of phenotypes among upper and middle class whites (who tend to have more non-Iberian surnames) than among working class whites (who tend to be more Iberian and have mostly Portuguese surnames). I think it's probably similar in Rio. Richer neighbourhoods tend to have plenty of non-Iberian surnames.

I think Latinus has English comprehension problems he quoted me in a way like if I was claiming that I'm white in this forum I have always claimed mixed .

[Matty74]

What are you talking about tons of mexicans and other Latinos are white.

Here some mexican americans who could be Spanish except the girl in the middle of course.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXrvQWUWJBA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p43hyyfQNU

Most Mexicans do not look like Vicente Fox. They're largely Native American (Aztec/Mayan) and Mexico is very different animal compared Argentina, Brazil or Costa Rica. I think it's obvious that there's a great deal of diversity between the many Latin Americans and there's a strong mix of Native American, African along with Spanish or Portuguese ancestries associated with these populations.

[Zuh]

Most Mexicans do not look like Vicente Fox. They're largely Native American (Aztec/Mayan) and Mexico is very different animal compared Argentina, Brazil or Costa Rica. I think it's obvious that there's a great deal of diversity between the many Latin Americans and there's a strong mix of Native American, African along with Spanish or Portuguese ancestries associated with these populations.

Did you know anything about genetics? Because it seems to me you don't Mexico it's not even the most native they are many latino countries ahead of Mexico like Bolivia Guatemala Peru Ecuador El Salvador than Mexico.


Your average mexican is over half south western Euro which can be backed up by genetics don't come up to me with your foolishness.

[Latinus]

I'm talking about averages, not random individuals. You can likely find people who look Spanish/European even in Guatemala, it doesn't mean anything. Among Hispanics only Argentinians/Uruguayans and Cubans have significant parts of their populations overlapping with Spaniards in terms of phenotypes.

I think White Brazilians look more varied, but maybe my experience is different from yours since you're from Rio and I'm from the countryside and most people in the places my parents come from have recent Italian, German and even other types of European ancestry (in my father's town there are even Slovaks and Romanians).

Where I'm living now due to work (Belo Horizonte, Minas Gerais) I see that there's more variety of phenotypes among upper and middle class whites (who tend to have more non-Iberian surnames) than among working class whites (who tend to be more Iberian and have mostly Portuguese surnames). I think it's probably similar in Rio. Richer neighbourhoods tend to have plenty of non-Iberian surnames in MG/RJ big cities.

I know you're talking about averages, mine was just a random comment regarding the Mexican guy. Of course, in a crowd of Uruguayans/Argentines/Cubans you'll see much more phenotypical overlap with Spain compared to other Hispanic countries.
About Rio: the working class whites usually only have Portuguese surnames (sometimes an Italian or Spanish in the mix) and the impression I have, phenotypically speaking (and Heathers even commented with me, he is also from Rio), is that these whites tend to have lot's of "clones", like a similar look (maybe an Alpine-Med or Berid), I always have deja vu when meeting new whites here, maybe you think I'm crazy, but that's what I noticed.

[Latinus]

I think Latinus has English comprehension problems he quoted me in a way like if I was claiming that I'm white in this forum I have always claimed mixed .

I'm good at English, not comprehension problems of my part. I know you always said that you would only pass, if you leave Mexico out of the equation, in North Africa and the Canary Islands. My quote was directed at this part of your post:

you don't have to be white to look Spanish...

[Latinus]

Did you know anything about genetics? Because it seems to me you don't Mexico it's not even the most native they are many latino countries ahead of Mexico like Bolivia Guatemala Peru Ecuador El Salvador than Mexico.


Your average mexican is over half south western Euro which can be backed up by genetics don't come up to me with your foolishness.

Why did you change your signature? You had a speedsheet of Mexico genetics average by region, Carlito did it.
The average Mexican is balanced Mestizo and the Northern region is Pred-Euro. But Brazil is whiter in absolute numbers/percentage/genetics/phenotype.

[Zuh]

I'm good at English, not comprehension problems of my part. I know you always said that you would only pass, if you leave Mexico out of the equation, in North African and the Canary Islands. My quote was directed at this part of your post:

Sorry I dont add quotations on internet my point is many none white people from Tunisia Algeria Lybia can pass as dark Iberians southern euros are highly white washed on TA when you live in a country like the U.S than you would understand what I'm talking about you literally meet people from around the world with different backgrounds.

And to the gringo untrained eye many dark med Spaniards are undistiguible to mixed Latinos because many Latinos are heavily mixed with mediterrean components.


Did you understand NOW?

[JMack]

About Rio: the working class whites usually only have Portuguese surnames (sometimes an Italian or Spanish in the mix) and the impression I have, phenotypically speaking (and Heathers even commented with me, he is also from Rio), is that these whites tend to have lot's of "clones", like a similar look (maybe an Alpine-Med or Berid), I always have deja vu when meeting new whites here, maybe you think I'm crazy, but that's what I noticed.

I see. Here you can find many Alpines and Berids too, but it largely depends where and when (I mean going to a moderate price nightclub you'd see all kinds of European phenotypes).

Some nightclub pics:

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57284553_2162674210435620_426129114462683136_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=3419cd70add2fe89294292e9b4924407&oe=5D3B3DCA

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57246983_2162672020435839_7378575607744954368_n.jp g?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=fe9e96c5a742412e890804399bc3f790&oe=5D753236

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57284458_2162673867102321_1129613653394325504_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=a3f231cf155c0cd870f9d9d0615fff70&oe=5D76D6D8

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57442676_2162673947102313_3422993474968879104_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=ec9e0adb8f07d6fa70d97420c02380d8&oe=5D2CAC00

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57045396_2162674143768960_7667833048016093184_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=0d1a016d55defbce12e17805ae72530b&oe=5D395E22

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57121023_2162672573769117_7811188035470491648_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=e209b8559b6e46ecd42815777a1763ab&oe=5D4138EC

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57101551_2162672640435777_7625141597079863296_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=ca4176259480853d5beb76d483e82128&oe=5D3F06AB

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57471871_2162674297102278_2540783475561070592_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=1dba1e99323441b2e97463fde32b3288&oe=5D47D30C

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57162493_2162673023769072_1786430765609779200_n.jp g?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=db7808c97754d8a22c1d97fb2a463e69&oe=5D7499B4

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57026456_2162673700435671_1652254561353596928_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=c90163be66c75b73f1aeb14daf145128&oe=5D41278F

https://scontent.fplu3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57377355_2162672110435830_7636670998699311104_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu3-1.fna&oh=bb11bafbc19352e8b1639e29260e1ce8&oe=5D2A9CB7

The people going to this nightclub aren't rich or working class, they are mostly middle class.

[Latinus]

Sorry I dont add quotations on internet my point is many none white people from Tunisia Algeria Lybia can pass as dark Iberians southern euros are highly white washed on TA when you live in a country like the U.S than you would understand what I'm talking about you literally meet people from around the world with different backgrounds.

And to the gringo untrained eye many dark med Spaniards are undistiguible to mixed Latinos because many Latinos are heavily mixed with mediterrean components.


Did you understand NOW?

Depends on the type of mixed Latinos, the stereotypical Mestizo is still, phenotypically speaking, miles apart from even darker Spaniards.
But in a area with many Pred-Euros, like the West Coast ones, you'll seen an overlap between Euro shifted Mestizos and fully Spaniards.

[Matty74]

Did you know anything about genetics? Because it seems to me you don't Mexico it's not even the most native they are many latino countries ahead of Mexico like Bolivia Guatemala Peru Ecuador El Salvador than Mexico.

I'm well aware of those peoples and their close affinity to the ancient native populations.


Your average mexican is over half south western Euro which can be backed up by genetics don't come up to me with your foolishness.

Your average Mexican is over 1/2 southwestern Euro? Apparently I am not the foolish one. Mexicans can be all over the place genetically, but the incidence of Native DNA gets higher and higher as one moves southwards from the US/Mexico border. Some areas in southern Mexico (Chiapas) is 80-90% Native American. The Yucatan would be another region with a high perentage of Native ancestry.

[Zuh]

Depends on the type of mixed Latinos, the stereotypical Mestizo is still, phenotypically speaking, miles apart from even darker Spaniards.
But in a area with many Pred-Euros, like the West Coast ones, you'll seen an overlap between Euro shifted Mestizos and fully Spaniards.

Exatcly okay I see you are understanding me here's the comparation of mexicans I see everyday.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcS5AkQ45ieALnab2zNdPWrqbSSpp8u-T-dgKlhVFToba_ZtDif4

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-m1fRzzfeslM/Vtb8vTZpvpI/AAAAAAAACT4/O9lccEFYOD0/s1600/1462891987_l.jpg

VS

Full ethnic WHITE EURO Portuguese.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSHekLNiSXxoVt1TWnvdHnoHG5cBQ1 MJd192qv81Ph6vkmJKtRM

Full mexican amerindian.

https://noticiaschihuahua.mx/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/indigenas3-640x381.jpg

[Carlito's Way]

Some areas in southern Mexico (Chiapas) is 80-90% Native American.

no state in Mexico is 80-90% LOL the highest Amerindian a mexican state gets is only 70%

[Matty74]

Here are the Mexicans that I've grown accustomed to. We need more immigrants like these people.


https://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/564305/los-lecheros/

[Carlito's Way]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=21777&dateline=1555384445

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=19553&dateline=1527476184

[JMack]

Exatcly okay I see you are understanding me here's the comparation of mexicans I see everyday.


You cherrypicked some dark pic of Mário Machado and compared to a crowd of Mexicans lol. Here are crowds of Portuguese people for better comparison:

http://correiodevenezuela.com/portugues/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/damas.jpg

https://i0.wp.com/www.eurodicas.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/portugues-acha-dos-brasileiros.jpg?zoom=2.625&resize=372%2C241

(these are Brazilians, but they are supporters of a ''Portuguese'' team from São Paulo and most are of recent Portuguese ancestry)
http://spfconline.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Protesto-Portuguesa-Eduardo-Viana-LANCEPress_LANIMA20131214_0057_46.jpg

https://imagens.publicocdn.com/imagens.aspx/1337800?tp=UH&db=IMAGENS&type=JPG&w=823

Quite different on average.

[Latinus]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=19553&dateline=1527476184

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=6738&dateline=1391843029

[Westbrook]

Oh good I'm so relieved now.
I have done some research and I realized they are more white than other southern europeans-opposite of what I was thinking. I thought they were almost brown.

[Zuh]

You cherrypicked some dark pic of Mário Machado and compared to a crowd of Mexicans lol. Here are crowds of Portuguese people for better comparison:

http://correiodevenezuela.com/portugues/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/damas.jpg

https://i0.wp.com/www.eurodicas.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/portugues-acha-dos-brasileiros.jpg?zoom=2.625&resize=372%2C241

(these are Brazilians, but they are supporters of a ''Portuguese'' team from São Paulo and most are of recent Portuguese ancestry)
http://spfconline.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Protesto-Portuguesa-Eduardo-Viana-LANCEPress_LANIMA20131214_0057_46.jpg

https://imagens.publicocdn.com/imagens.aspx/1337800?tp=UH&db=IMAGENS&type=JPG&w=823

Quite different on average.

Majority of those Portuguese will be seen as mexicans in California before they are taken as European -american lol.


My point is the mexicans I see almost everyday look closer to the Nazi Portuguese than to the full amerindian I posted.

[Latinus]

You cherrypicked some dark pic of Mário Machado and compared to a crowd of Mexicans lol. Here are crowds of Portuguese people for better comparison:

http://correiodevenezuela.com/portugues/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/damas.jpg

https://i0.wp.com/www.eurodicas.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/portugues-acha-dos-brasileiros.jpg?zoom=2.625&resize=372%2C241

http://spfconline.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Protesto-Portuguesa-Eduardo-Viana-LANCEPress_LANIMA20131214_0057_46.jpg

https://imagens.publicocdn.com/imagens.aspx/1337800?tp=UH&db=IMAGENS&type=JPG&w=823

Quite different on average.

These Portuguese crowds you posted are a good example of what I'm talking about, they are common in working class areas here and, before I started to study phenotypes, I used to associate many of them as being mixed race. Carlitos and Reyzuh also commented about it, many phenotypes in Mexico that they perceived as Mestizo are just Spanish.

[JMack]

Majority of those Portuguese will be seen as mexicans in California before they are taken as European -american lol.


My point is the mexicans I see almost everyday look closer to the Nazi Portuguese than to the full amerindian I posted.

It's irrelevant, most of these Portuguese will never visit California anyway, so it's a non-issue. If Italians are seen as European-Americans I'm sure Portuguese would be as well. The only reason Spaniards are lumped with Latin Americans is due to language, not phenotypes. Someone who looks like Casillas or like most of these Portuguese above would be seen as Europeans anywhere.

[Dna8]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=16552&dateline=1554949091

[JMack]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=16552&dateline=1554949091

It's a German examining a Tibetan, but could easily be a Spanish conquistador examining a latino lol.

[Westbrook]

This guy looks like NFL player Jason Witten, who's just a white cornpoke from Tennessee
Average Spaniards look like Casillas:

https://cdn.record.pt/images/2019-03/img_920x519$2019_03_18_16_56_34_1520228.jpg

[JMack]

This guy looks like NFL player Jason Witten, who's just a white cornpoke from Tennessee

Yeah, most Spaniards/Portuguese would be seen as just white in US.

[Dna8]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e7/34/49/e73449b5028a3114c35a2a49af36b401.jpg

[Zuh]

It's irrelevant, most of these Portuguese will never visit California anyway, so it's a non-issue. If Italians are seen as European-Americans I'm sure Portuguese would be as well. The only reason Spaniards are lumped with Latin Americans is due to language, not phenotypes. Someone who looks like Casillas or like most of these Portuguese above would be seen as Europeans anywhere.

Yeah I get there's a light spectrum of Iberians (Spaniards & Portugues) but there's also a "dark" side of them like these people.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSHekLNiSXxoVt1TWnvdHnoHG5cBQ1 MJd192qv81Ph6vkmJKtRM

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTaRLuG5yztsQfQwS3HK2_3Hxgt3sQ g7AEcKx1Y4Zkd1854alTS

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRIuKRd5aAcAuY9VZXu1ocfKX4g5Df EaCANJ7dlkrT3RQ2xcgwC

And these people would be see as some type of Hispanic or even mexican in many states like California Arizona Nevada Colorado etc before they are seen as your average white murican

[Latinus]

Yeah, most Spaniards/Portuguese would be seen as just white in US.

The Berid and Gracile-Med types would have a harder time passing among white Americans than Atlantids and Alpines, what do you think?
Portuguese types like this would be perceived as ethnic among the average white American population, that's what I think.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171205/dee8a41125ec9d0b9112df5fbd5b2215.jpg

[Zuh]

The Berid and Gracile-Med types would have a harder time passing among white Americans than Atlantids and Alpines, what do you think?
Portuguese types like this would be perceived as ethnic among the average white American population, that's what I think.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171205/dee8a41125ec9d0b9112df5fbd5b2215.jpg

LOL many mexican americans look like this guy and he would be perceived as one of them before your average white american Latinus i like you my friend but you are very ignorant in regards anything to the U.S

[JMack]

And these people would be see as some type of Hispanic or even mexican in many states like California Arizona Nevada Colorado etc before they are seen as your average white murican

Fernando Alonso or Mário Machado in other pics:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-3bxsH6cyZI/maxresdefault.jpg

https://www.vip.pt/sites/default/files/styles/slider/public/vip-pt-36472-noticia-goucha-responde-apos-ser-arrasado-por-entrevista-mario-machado-nao-se-deixem.png?itok=DNMiuOSH

They look white. There are many similar looking white Americans:

http://www.metal-nose.org/images01/InterviewZak_004.JPG

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/32/e7/76/32e7767db7089686db8e00cde853aeff.jpg

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/static/article/news/7/70647_0_wide_ver1514825706.jpg

[Zuh]

Fernando Alonso or Mário Machado in other pics:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-3bxsH6cyZI/maxresdefault.jpg

https://www.vip.pt/sites/default/files/styles/slider/public/vip-pt-36472-noticia-goucha-responde-apos-ser-arrasado-por-entrevista-mario-machado-nao-se-deixem.png?itok=DNMiuOSH

They look white. There are many similar looking white Americans:

http://www.metal-nose.org/images01/InterviewZak_004.JPG

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/32/e7/76/32e7767db7089686db8e00cde853aeff.jpg

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/static/article/news/7/70647_0_wide_ver1514825706.jpg

Fernando Alonso will be seen as your average white american Mario Michado as Hispanic mexican because seeing Mexicans like him are common so phenotypes like those are perceived as none European because many Latinos look like that.

Machado is white only in New England and the south.

[Latinus]

Yeah I get there's a light spectrum of Iberians (Spaniards & Portugues) but there's also a "dark" side of them like these people.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSHekLNiSXxoVt1TWnvdHnoHG5cBQ1 MJd192qv81Ph6vkmJKtRM

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTaRLuG5yztsQfQwS3HK2_3Hxgt3sQ g7AEcKx1Y4Zkd1854alTS

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRIuKRd5aAcAuY9VZXu1ocfKX4g5Df EaCANJ7dlkrT3RQ2xcgwC

And these people would be see as some type of Hispanic or even mexican in many states like California Arizona Nevada Colorado etc before they are seen as your average white murican

Fernando Alonso is not dark.
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/73/590x/Fernando-Alonso-1100790.jpg?r=1552677598495

Only the middle guy in back, second pic, is dark to me, and the guy in the third pic, of course.

[alnortedelsur]

they are swarthy but not more than other southern europeans

Some Spaniards are swarthy but most Spaniards are not, but have a very standard European intermediate fair skin pigmentation, mostly brown eyes and different shades of brown hair, but blondish hair tones and light eyes are not uncommon.

[Latinus]

LOL many mexican americans look like this guy and he would be perceived as one of them before your average white american Latinus i like you my friend but you are very ignorant in regards anything to the U.S

What the fuck are you talking about? I used this Portuguese goalkeeper as an example of Euro phenotype that would be perceived as ethnic by the average white American, read again, you're the one being ignorant, it seems you have problem understanding your own maternal language, lol.

[alnortedelsur]

Even in many mixed Latinos as well you don't have to be white to look Spanish me for example I look mixed but the Mediterrean component on me is very strong and no way i can pass as native neither from U.S or Mexico.

lmao :rofl_002::bowlol: God, forgive him, he doesn't know what he's saying :picard1::picard1:

[Zuh]

What the fuck are you talking? I used this Portuguese goalkeeper as an example of Euro phenotype that would be perceived as ethnic by the average white American, read again, you're the one being ignorant, it seems you have problem understanding your own maternal language, lol.

He would be perceived as latino in California because seeing mexicans like him are like 20-25% of California so your ass is crazy if you think he would be label as euro-american.

Pretty simple now go to bed lol.

[Zuh]

lmao :rofl_002::bowlol: God, forgive him, he doesn't know what he's saying :picard1::picard1:

Otro que no habla ingles.

[alnortedelsur]

I would think they were heavily mixed with other Europeans, Italians and Germans and such.

Argentinians and Uruguayans (their white majorities) are mostly Spanish/Italian. Any other Euro contributions in them are very peripheral.

[Latinus]

He would be perceived as latino in California because seeing mexicans like him are like 20-25% of California so your ass is crazy if you think he would be label as euro-american.

Pretty simple now go to bed lol.

Ethnic = non-white. This is what I posted, Rato de Esgoto had no problem understanding my post, but you...
He would be perceived as Euro-American??????? You're the one saying that, not me. I used his example because types like him (Gracile-Med or Berid) would have a harder time passing among white Americans than Atlantid/Alpine types. I'll do a comparation, I think you'll better understand this time.
I used this guy as an example of Southern Euro type that would have a harder time passing as a white American than an Atlantid/Alpine one (read my post again and you'll see that I said nothing wrong).
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171205/dee8a41125ec9d0b9112df5fbd5b2215.jpg

Brazilian actor Kayky Brito, like it was said many times here and there, would pass easily as white American (he is Atlantid + Alpine).
http://i0.statig.com.br/bancodeimagens/bo/fq/83/bofq83zicv97s7tdm446ipwt7.jpg

Understand now????

[Zuh]

I'm to sleepy now I'm going to sleep I would respond tomorrow

[Latinus]

I'm to sleepy now I'm going to sleep I would respond tomorrow

Maybe that's why you brain is not working, you're sleepy.:picard2:

[TheForeigner]

Someone said something about US states with "Latino" majorities, but there aren't any yet, other than maybe New Mexico.

[Borealis]

Up

[Gangrel]

Why did you change your name to Broly? You're way too beta to have that name

[Token]

European Spaniards share very little in common with the Hispanics of Latin America other than a language and perhaps the Catholic faith. Their origins are most likely a mix of Germanic tribal migrations and Roman and Mediterranean influences.

Yeah. Other than language, religion, great part of their culture and +60% of their ancestry, they share very little.

[Tigranes]

https://i.imgflip.com/i7de7.jpg

[Rouxinol]

I have met Spaniards before in many parts of California and this was their common average phenotype in many states where there's latino majority population would be seen as none white.

Why do you care so much about how Americans perceive ethnicity or race? As if they had a final word on who is and who isn't "white".

[Borealis]

Why did you change your name to Broly? You're way too beta to have that name

R u sure ur not talking about urself?

[Latinus]

Why do you care so much about how Americans perceive ethnicity or race? As if they had a final word on who is and who isn't "white".True.

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[Vožd]

I have met Spaniards before in many parts of California and this was their common average phenotype in many states where there's latino majority population would be seen as none white.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcR2TvRvbC8MQ3NiejwbmRVzaFIChHk kX6atI5q1df_IIlN0bQm-

https://gezimanya.com/sites/default/files/foto-galeri/gorseller/spain1.jpg

Full White.

[Zuh]

Full White.

No one is saying otherwise the point is those phenotypes are to far to look like average white american and states where Latinos are 20-30% of the population would be seen as Latinos as well because seeing cubans colombians mexicans even some salvadorians and
hondurans looking like them are not out of this planet .


Apparently some people have a hard time understanding English.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

https://i.imgflip.com/i7de7.jpg

Somali Superiority

[Vožd]

No one is saying otherwise the point is those phenotypes are to far to look like average white american and states where Latinos are 20-30% of the population would be seen as Latinos as well because seeing cubans colombians mexicans even some salvadorians and
hondurans looking like them are not out of this planet .


Apparently some people have a hard time understanding English.

Answer is not to you directly, but to people who for White race consider only skin color (its changing during summer) and hair color, more important are facial features.

[Mans not hot]

Successful thread is successful

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Despite the non white song, most iberian look what they are, southwest euros. Forget the non european immigrants the cosmopolitan Madrid have.


https://youtu.be/ppinh6Nd5_s

[JMack]

Full White.

He is trying to pass-off mixed latinos as Spaniards, don't feed the troll. There's some overlap between people who are 70%+ European and true Europeans, but Latin Americans in US are far from even being closer to 70%+ European (someone posted a study about USA genetics today even). Most of them are around 50% Euro and 50% Amerindian or African, apart from Cubans who are overwhelmingly White and generally look more similar to White Americans than to other Latin Americans living there.

[Zuh]

He is trying to pass-off mixed latinos as Spaniards, don't feed the troll. There's some overlap between people who are 70%+ European and true Europeans, but Latin Americans in US are far from even being closer to 70%+ European (someone posted a study about USA genetics today even). Most of them are around 50% Euro and 50% Amerindian or African, apart from Cubans who are overwhelmingly White and generally look more similar to White Americans than to other Latin Americans living there.

Yeah says the expert whose been banned several times from here, I'm not trying to pass mixed Latinos as Spaniards but most Latinos in U.S are pred European .


23andme did an average study of the mixed Latin American in U.S
https://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/Latnospecified_zps431ea391.jpg?width=480&height=480&crop=1:1,smart

Also many mexicans puerto ricans salvadorians hondurans are white too.

[JMack]

I'm not trying to pass mixed Latinos as Spaniards but most Latinos in U.S are pred European .


This is not what recent academic studies are saying: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?286962-USA-big-genetic-study-15-620-samples

If Latinos in USA were predominantly European they would be seen as white, in the same way the Mexican inhabitants of previous Mexican states taken by US in 19th century were (the study actually shows ''Hispanos'', i.e. pre-Anglo inhabitants of SW USA, are predominantly European). Mexicans only started to be labeled as ''non-white'' in US after immigration from Mexico proper flooded USA.

[Insuperable]

And now you want a cookie.

[Zuh]

This is not what recent academic studies are saying: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?286962-USA-big-genetic-study-15-620-samples

If Latinos in USA were predominantly European they would be seen as white, in the same way the Mexican inhabitants of previous Mexican states taken by US in 19th century were (the study actually shows ''Hispanos'', i.e. pre-Anglo inhabitants of SW USA, are predominantly European). Mexicans only started to be labeled as ''non-white'' in US after immigration from Mexico proper flooded USA.

You clearly lack comprehensions , I never said anything on this thread the Spaniards are not white of course they are! My point is they are plenty of white mexicans salvadorians and puerto ricans and that's why they're more likely to be label as Hispanic/Latino in significant state latino populations than as your typical white american.

And in regards to your link yes they are accurate but also is the one I posted aboved Mexico is the least homogenous Latin American country in terms of genetics and variation than many southern american countries.

[Zuh]

And now you want a cookie.

Your avatar picture is very perverted.

[JMack]

You clearly lack comprehensions , I never said anything on this thread the Spaniards are not white of course they are! My point is they are plenty of white mexicans salvadorians and puerto ricans and that's why they're more likely to be label as Hispanic/Latino in significant state latino populations than as your typical white american.

And in regards to your link yes they are accurate but also is the one I posted aboved Mexico is the least homogenous Latin American country in terms of genetics and variation than many southern american countries.

I'm not saying that there aren't white Mexicans, Central Americans etc. What I'm saying is that the average Latin American in US isn't white and even predominantly European, if that was the case they would likely be labeled as whites, as Hispanos were before Mexicans started flooding USA. I remember reading an interview with Mexican poet Octavio Paz and he was talking about his experiences in US in the 30s or 40s iirc and he said he was considered white there.

I don't care about what Americans think on who's white or not, but White Americans aren't Viking looking on average, many of them look like pan-Euro types which are also common among Spaniards and some could be even swarthy (we have examples even in this forum).

These are all Americans of non-Hispanic ancestry who are considered white everywhere in USA:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4a/99/ae/4a99ae593aeab1498e3a133c3cc74595.jpg

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51kCIDIvqNL.jpg

https://roquereverso.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/chris-cornell.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Gilby_Clarke_2_2012.jpg/250px-Gilby_Clarke_2_2012.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-odZAL-SMncY/UZliiWP15vI/AAAAAAAAAFw/3EtSw7E0fJs/s1600/Izzy+Stradlin+IzzyStradlin.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Il0D7NEw6IQ/UYSRkZjBQ5I/AAAAAAAAAVo/yMfZ-t1DyFE/s1600/8616570595_300daf9bb6_o.jpg

[Zuh]

I'm not saying that there aren't white Mexicans, Central Americans etc. What I'm saying is that the average Latin American in US isn't white and even predominantly European, if that was the case they would likely be labeled as whites, as Hispanos were before Mexicans started flooding USA. I remember reading an interview with Mexican poet Octavio Paz and he was talking about his experiences in US in the 30s or 40s iirc and he said he was considered white there.

I don't care about what Americans think on who's white or not, but White Americans aren't Viking looking on average, many of them look like pan-Euro types which are also common among Spaniards and some could be even swarthy (we have examples even in this forum).

These are all Americans of non-Hispanic ancestry who are considered white everywhere in USA:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4a/99/ae/4a99ae593aeab1498e3a133c3cc74595.jpg

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51kCIDIvqNL.jpg

https://roquereverso.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/chris-cornell.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Gilby_Clarke_2_2012.jpg/250px-Gilby_Clarke_2_2012.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-odZAL-SMncY/UZliiWP15vI/AAAAAAAAAFw/3EtSw7E0fJs/s1600/Izzy+Stradlin+IzzyStradlin.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Il0D7NEw6IQ/UYSRkZjBQ5I/AAAAAAAAAVo/yMfZ-t1DyFE/s1600/8616570595_300daf9bb6_o.jpg

Look I'm getting sick and tired of debating with some of you do I need to explain myself further in different manner like apples oranges and sizes? No i don't think so.


I could care less if Iberians are 99% scandinavian or africans bottom line is they are plenty of white Latinos of none Cuban Brazilean Argentinean origin enough of them for Spaniards to be label as latino rather than your typical white american unless they are very fair or NW Euro looking.


Anyway I'm done repeating myself bye.

[Ruggery]

It's a German examining a Tibetan, but could easily be a Spanish conquistador examining a latino lol.

I do not agree, that guy seems what he is, german.

[Ruggery]

Out of the berid, gracile med and trans-med phenotypes, the Spaniards would pass without problems as white in the USA, the USA is a country where all the euro ethnic groups are located, if it were the case of Australia it would be different.

[Mans not hot]

Who cares about being white, I wouldn't even be offended if they called me sandnigger or whatever label that is not associated with 'whites', Im still getting pussy.

[Ruggery]

Who cares about being white, I wouldn't even be offended if they called me sandnigger or whatever label that is not associated with 'whites', Im still getting pussy.

Many people here.

[Mans not hot]

Many people here.
Some people ought to know better they have better things to do than defining 'white''.

[Ruggery]

Some people ought to know better they have better things to do than defining 'white''.

Agree

[kleenex]

The term "white" has changed over time and is an ever changing construct. The Brits in the US didn't consider the German's "white" when they first arrived in the US. The Irish were considered "sub human" by the Anglos. Hell the Slavs (Poles) weren't consider "white" until the 1920's not to mention the Italians, Greeks, and other Slavs. What I notice living in Florida (as a native Floridian) is that there are "darker" individuals including West Asians, Middle Easterners, Central and South Americans who stand out and look "obviously" ethnic. If you don't fit into that category (the in between) then you essentially "blend in" with the average non ethnic type; 2nd, 3rd, 4th, generation Euro Americans; Meds, Middle Euros, West Euros, etc.

[Blondie]

Spaniards are the most northern shifted south european ethnic group of course they are whites.

[TeutonicBoyars]

Spaniards are the most northern shifted south european ethnic group of course they are whites.

Genetically, this is very true.

Pan's Labyrinth is one of my favorite movies of all time, but one of the greatest takeaways I got from that movie, aside from the amazing story, is that, appearance-wise, a lot of Spaniards look visibly Near Eastern, perhaps more than some South Italians I've seen, which is strange, since South Italians are pretty much teetering on the edge of being outright Near Eastern genetically.

[Leto]

The term "white" has changed over time and is an ever changing construct. The Brits in the US didn't consider the German's "white" when they first arrived in the US. The Irish were considered "sub human" by the Anglos. Hell the Slavs (Poles) weren't consider "white" until the 1920's not to mention the Italians, Greeks, and other Slavs.
This isn't really true, sounds more like typically leftist "deconstructionist" propaganda. If Italians, Poles and the Irish weren't considered legally white, they wouldn't have been allowed to immigrate in the first place. Sure there was some negative sentiments or prejudice against them, mainly because they weren't Protestants and came from a poor rural background, but that doesn't mean they were "non-white". Yes, the white race is not entirely a biological concept but its ability to change and "evolve" does have obvious limits. Somalis, Tamils, Amerindians, Vietnamese and many other groups will never be considered "white".

[Borealis]

Genetically, this is very true.

Pan's Labyrinth is one of my favorite movies of all time, but one of the greatest takeaways I got from that movie, aside from the amazing story, is that, appearance-wise, a lot of Spaniards look visibly Near Eastern, perhaps more than some South Italians I've seen, which is strange, since South Italians are pretty much teetering on the edge of being outright Near Eastern genetically.

i wonder how it happened

[Blondie]

Genetically, this is very true.

Pan's Labyrinth is one of my favorite movies of all time, but one of the greatest takeaways I got from that movie, aside from the amazing story, is that, appearance-wise, a lot of Spaniards look visibly Near Eastern, perhaps more than some South Italians I've seen, which is strange, since South Italians are pretty much teetering on the edge of being outright Near Eastern genetically.

I've seen this movie, and spaniards weren't near eastern looking :)

[TeutonicBoyars]

I've seen this movie, and spaniards weren't near eastern looking :)

You must have not seen the movie in a long time. Look up the actors in that movie and tell me they don't look Near Eastern. I remember two women from the dinner party scene literally looked like they rode a boat over from Morocco to attend that party.

This is objectively the whitest looking character in the movie:

http://monstersvault.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/the_pale_man_pans_labyrinth_monster_blind4.jpg

[JMack]

''Germanin'' is probably that Hungarian girl ''KisKócos''.

[Blondie]

https://fictionalfemales.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2017/11/Ofelia.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_OU9gW7W3rlg/ReyaNvOLqLI/AAAAAAAAAfg/JvqUE3i7bRY/s320/PansLabyrinth4.jpg

If they are near eastern than i'm chinese...

[Blondie]

''Germanin'' is probably that Hungarian girl ''KisKócos''.

And you're probably an idiot.

[JMack]

And you're probably an idiot.

yo fam check your words

[TeutonicBoyars]

...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JvpwUz1nl4A/TNueefpL02I/AAAAAAAACs8/aJAi64IaAyU/s400/dvd.png

https://www.bfi.org.uk/sites/bfi.org.uk/files/styles/full/public/image/pans-labyrinth-2006-023-banquet-vidal-guests.jpg?itok=_a7A7o_5

I can post more. The examples you posted are the only real outliers in this film, and even still, Ofelia looks very Middle Eastern. Only the lead antagonist lacks noticeable Levantine features.

[Blondie]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JvpwUz1nl4A/TNueefpL02I/AAAAAAAACs8/aJAi64IaAyU/s400/dvd.png

https://www.bfi.org.uk/sites/bfi.org.uk/files/styles/full/public/image/pans-labyrinth-2006-023-banquet-vidal-guests.jpg?itok=_a7A7o_5

I can post more. The examples you posted are the only real outliers in this film, and even still, Ofelia looks very Middle Eastern. Only the lead antagonist lacks noticeable Levantine features.

They look very european not arabs :D They are real middle easternes:

https://www.islam.com.kw/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/The-Status-of-Children-in-Islam-Part-1-2-1024x683.jpg

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Arabs.jpg

If you don't see the difference than you're blind, troll or i don't know :D

[TeutonicBoyars]

They look very european not arabs :D They are real middle easternes:

https://www.islam.com.kw/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/The-Status-of-Children-in-Islam-Part-1-2-1024x683.jpg

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Arabs.jpg

If you don't see the difference than you're blind, troll or i don't know :D

If you took these Spaniards and dressed them up similarly to the people you've pictured and put them all next to each other, and then let them spend a few days in the desert getting tan, I can't see how anyone would honestly think they're an outlier. At most they might think that one of their ancestors was raped by a crusader or something.

If you took these people and put them next to a bunch of Danes, Brits, Lithuanians, etc. people would be able to call them out as foreigners instantly. Even in the decidedly darker parts of Germany, like Swabia or Bavaria, they would still look like outliers.

I'm not saying that Spaniards are carbon-copies of Arabs, but what I am saying is that a lot of Spaniards, outside of their native country, would sooner pass better in neighboring North African, non-European countries than they would in another European country. This is an incredibly unique trait among the roster of European peoples; and it's not a bad thing by any means - if you think it's something negative, then maybe you're the troll.

[Erronkari]

they are swarthy but not more than other southern europeans

The ones of the second picture ARE NOT SWARTHY AT ALL INDEED!!!!!

[Erronkari]

Mr. Wog said that in Buenos Aires the Dinarid and swarthy types are more common than in Rio de Janeiro, for example.

Yes, but the reason of that is because Buenos Aires apart of spanish roots you can find a lot of people with a strong south-italilan contribution, for that reason you can find more darker med types here than ir Rio de Janeiro on average.
Of course, I am talking about "med types", of course it doesn't make sense if we include mixed porteños or mixed cariocas.

[Erronkari]

Argentinians and Uruguayans (their white majorities) are mostly Spanish/Italian. Any other Euro contributions in them are very peripheral.

Exactly. German descendants are a very little minority.
And you can find a decent number of them in some little towns, in the inner country, but in big cities they are very rare...

[Ruggery]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JvpwUz1nl4A/TNueefpL02I/AAAAAAAACs8/aJAi64IaAyU/s400/dvd.png

https://www.bfi.org.uk/sites/bfi.org.uk/files/styles/full/public/image/pans-labyrinth-2006-023-banquet-vidal-guests.jpg?itok=_a7A7o_5


Ok, they are the same as North Africans and the Levantines. Happy :thumb001:

[Erronkari]

Average Spaniards look like Casillas:




In Hispanic America only Argentinians, Uruguayans and part of Cubans look like Spaniards on average (Brazil is not Hispanic and I think White Brazilians look different from White Argentinians/Cubans/Uruguayans).

Considering "phenotype", yes, you are right, I think.

[Latinus]

Yes, but the reason of that is because Buenos Aires apart of spanish roots you can find a lot of people with a strong south-italilan contribution, for that reason you can find more darker med types here than ir Rio de Janeiro on average.
Of course, I am talking about "med types", of course it doesn't make sense if we include mixed porteños or mixed cariocas.

Yep, the Southern Italians in Buenos Aires, I didn't forget about them.

[Erronkari]

Yep, the Southern Italians in Buenos Aires, I didn't forget about them.

Exactly.
But most cases you can find spanish and south italian ancestry in a same family.
In most argentinian cities, especially bigger ones, most people mixed between different communities.
This is not a country of communities, at least not in the cities, like you can see in the US.
Now only some jews and armenians try to marry between people of the same origin, but they are every time less.
Now the exceptions are bolivian and chinese descendants.

[alnortedelsur]

If you took these Spaniards and dressed them up similarly to the people you've pictured and put them all next to each other, and then let them spend a few days in the desert getting tan, I can't see how anyone would honestly think they're an outlier. At most they might think that one of their ancestors was raped by a crusader or something.

If you took these people and put them next to a bunch of Danes, Brits, Lithuanians, etc. people would be able to call them out as foreigners instantly. Even in the decidedly darker parts of Germany, like Swabia or Bavaria, they would still look like outliers.

I'm not saying that Spaniards are carbon-copies of Arabs, but what I am saying is that a lot of Spaniards, outside of their native country, would sooner pass better in neighboring North African, non-European countries than they would in another European country. This is an incredibly unique trait among the roster of European peoples; and it's not a bad thing by any means - if you think it's something negative, then maybe you're the troll.

That's a very cool Hollywood story :cool:

[Latinus]

Exactly.
But most cases you can find spanish and south italian ancestry in a same family.
In most argentinian cities, especially bigger ones, most people mixed between different communities.
This is not a country of communities, at least not in the cities, like you can see in the US.
Now only some jews and armenians try to marry between people of the same origin, but they are every time less.
Now the exceptions are bolivian and chinese descendants.

Would you say white Argentinians dislike the idea of mixing with Bolivians, for example?
Of course, white Argentinians are not a homogenous bunch when it comes to their racial preferences, but the stereotype they have here is being proud of their Euro roots (I have seen many people in Brazil saying Argentinians think they are Europeans) and being racists (even if most of them aren't).

[Erronkari]

Would you say white Argentinians dislike the idea of mixing with Bolivians, for example?
Of course, white Argentinians are not a homogenous bunch when it comes to their racial preferences, but the stereotype they have here is being proud of their Euro roots (I have seen many people in Brazil saying Argentinians think they are Europeans) and being racists (even if most of them aren't).

It's very difficult to say because bolivian immigtants live in a "ghetto-style".
Normally they only stay between them.
And it's a particular situation, because for example with paraguayans the situation is totally different, there are a lot of couples integrated by a paraguayan male and argie female or an argentine male and a paraguayan female.
Paraguayans are mostly between mestizos, harnizos and castizos, so they are far to be pred amerindian, digfferent to bolivians.
But the problem is not that. It's not a racial issue.
It's because paraguayan culture and the local one have a huge compatibility, different that which happens with bolivian culture, and also because paraguayans are quite extrovert while bolivians are the opposite.
And finally right now imagine that some argentines males many times prefer paraguayans girls than local ones to marry or to have a serious relationship because many of them are more conservative and loyal while many locals are strongly liberal or postmodernists.
So, you can see...

[Tooting Carmen]

There is some confusion here when it comes to discussing Mediterranean phenotypes. Atlanto-Meds, Alpine-Meds, Dinaro-Meds, Baskids and Pontids look unmistakably European, and those are the ones that predominate throughout Southern Europe (including Spain). However, the ones that do IMO look "borderline" for Europe include Gracile Meds, Berids, South Meds, East Meds and Armenoids, and although only a minority of Spaniards and other Southern Europeans have these phenotypes, at the end of the day (1) such types do exist, however much people here and in other anthrofora wish to downplay or deny them and (2) to me, many people with such phenotypes would pass better even among some light-skinned Indians and Pakistanis (never mind Turks, Levantines, Euro-shifted Mestizos etc) than they would among Germanic and Slavic groups.

[Papastratosels26]

Good.

[Ruggery]

There is some confusion here when it comes to discussing Mediterranean phenotypes. Atlanto-Meds, Alpine-Meds, Dinaro-Meds, Baskids and Pontids look unmistakably European, and those are the ones that predominate hroughout Southern Europe (including Spain). However, the ones that do IMO look "borderline" for Europe include Gracile Meds, Berids, South Meds, East Meds and Armenoids, and although only a minority of Spaniards and other Southern Europeans have these phenotypes, at the end of the day (1) such types do exist, however much people here and in other anthrofora wish to downplay or deny them and (2) to me, many people with such phenotypes would pass better even among some light-skinned Indians and Pakistanis (never mind Turks, Levantines, Euro-shifted Mestizos etc) than they would among Germanic and Slavic groups.

Then the exotics phenotypes are even more minority in the Germanics / Slavs than in the Euro-Mediterranean?

[Oneeye]

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1iS5fr8SmnB

[verbcn]

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1iS5fr8SmnB

Top tier gringo espanish :p

[Oneeye]

Top tier gringo espanish :p

I tried to add the lisp to sound continental instead of new world

[verbcn]

I tried to add the lisp to sound continental instead of new world

Then you need to have your mouth half full of water.
It's like when russians want to speak fluent english, they burn they mouth with a hot potato:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2LaVuvCj-I

[Oneeye]

Then you need to have your mouth half full of water.
It's like when russians want to speak fluent english, they burn they mouth with a hot potato:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2LaVuvCj-I

I'm from Spokane. I grew with Russians that spoke English as second language. xD
Russian chicks are hot

[Rouxinol]

''Germanin'' is probably that Hungarian girl ''KisKócos''.

S(he) is. And Kis_Kócos used to be someone else too. Neither is Hungarian nor German, at least not ethnically. S(he)'s just another sock puppet joining the party.

[Tooting Carmen]

Then the exotics phenotypes are even more minority in the Germanics / Slavs than in the Euro-Mediterranean?

Yes...

[TheMaestro]

Good to know, now I can go to sleep.

[Latinus]

Good to know, now I can go to sleep.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=11107&dateline=1555793565

[TheMaestro]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=11107&dateline=1555793565

Man of my words.