View Full Version : G25-Yamnaya culture-calculator.
dosas
04-20-2019, 09:00 AM
Saw this thread on anthrogenica, and I thought of reposting. If there is an already equivalent thread, mods please merge.
Population reference list by anthrogenica poster AlexRus, here (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?16828-From-East-to-West-who-is-more-Yamna-culture-G25).
Detection of Yamnaya culture, using scaled co-ordinates.
Mine, using R, pen=0:
"distance%=2.9821"
dosas
EEF,49
CHG,19.8
Yamnaya_Samara,17.6
Iran_N,8.4
Natufian,5.2
PS. I can run your scaled co-ordinates on my computer, but I am going to be on/off today a lot, so if anyone else wants to take over, please feel free to do so.
Kaspias
04-20-2019, 09:09 AM
[1] "distance%=3.3111"
Kaspias_scaled
EEF,38.8
Yamnaya_Samara,38.6
Nganassan,7.8
Iran_N,7
Natufian,5
CHG,2.8
Coastal Elite
04-20-2019, 03:45 PM
Can you please run mine. thanks
DacoCeltic_scaled,0.133173,0.13405,0.043369,0.0226 1,0.028313,0.01004,0.00235,0.004384,0.002863,0.006 014,-0.00747,0.008243,-0.014123,-0.004542,0.004072,-0.000796,0.001043,-0.00076,0.006913,-0.002876,-0.001123,0.004699,0.005423,0.00976,-0.005628
DacoCeltic,0.0117,0.0132,0.0115,0.007,0.0092,0.003 6,0.001,0.0019,0.0014,0.0033,-0.0046,0.0055,-0.0095,-0.0033,0.003,-0.0006,0.0008,-0.0006,0.0055,-0.0023,-0.0009,0.0038,0.0044,0.0081,-0.0047
JQP4545
04-20-2019, 04:15 PM
"distance%=3.5851"
Rosanne
EEF,46.8
Yamnaya_Samara,38.8
SHG,14.4
dosas
04-20-2019, 04:27 PM
Can you please run mine. thanks
"distance%=2.8778"
DacoCeltic_scaled
EEF,48.4
Yamnaya_Samara,45
SHG,6.6
Imperator Biff
04-20-2019, 04:34 PM
Could you run mine as well please? Thanks
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Imperator_Biff_scaled,0.133173,0.139128,0.061094,0 .04845,0.03416,0.013108,0.005875,0.001846,0.007363 ,0.006378,-0.005359,0.010191,-0.018731,-0.017616,0.027823,0.003845,-0.011604,0.005701,-0.002514,0.000875,0.007986,0.002473,-0.008381,0.022292,0.003832
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Imperator_Biff,0.0117,0.0137,0.0162,0.015,0.0111,0 .0047,0.0025,0.0008,0.0036,0.0035,-0.0033,0.0068,-0.0126,-0.0128,0.0205,0.0029,-0.0089,0.0045,-0.002,0.0007,0.0064,0.002,-0.0068,0.0185,0.0032
"fit": 4.3749,
"EEF": 47.5,
"Yamnaya": 43.33,
"SHG": 6.67,
"Natufian": 2.5,
"CHG": 0,
"EHG": 0,
"Iran_N": 0,
"Nganassan": 0,
"Yoruba": 0
dosas
04-20-2019, 04:41 PM
Could you run mine as well please? Thanks
"distance%=5.6129"
Imperator_Biff_scaled
Yamnaya_Samara,44
EEF,41.6
SHG,14.4
Coastal Elite
04-20-2019, 04:58 PM
"fit": 4.3749,
"EEF": 47.5,
"Yamnaya": 43.33,
"SHG": 6.67,
"Natufian": 2.5,
"CHG": 0,
"EHG": 0,
"Iran_N": 0,
"Nganassan": 0,
"Yoruba": 0
I'm looking to sell off all my SHG at a discount for more Yamnaya and EEF, the movers and shakers in Europe. I don't need this SHG stuff holding me back.
IS THere a difference between these samples and what davidski gives you?
[1] "distance%=4.8781"
Barcin_N,48.2
Yamnaya_Samara,43.8
WHG,7.4
Han,0.6
dosas
04-20-2019, 05:38 PM
IS THere a difference between these samples and what davidski gives you?
I think the Barcin_N corresponds to Neolithic Anatolian Farmers, the rest I've no idea, mate.
JQP4545
04-20-2019, 08:07 PM
100% Greek uncle:
SteveB_scaled
EEF,54.6
Yamnaya_Samara,32.4
Natufian,6.4
CHG,4.2
Iran_N,2.2
SHG,0.2
Bunalim
04-20-2019, 09:28 PM
NW_scaled
EEF:LBK_N,43.3
Yamnaya_Samara,33.7
CHG:KK1,18
Natufian,4
Iran_N,1
EHG,0
SHG,0
Yoruba,0
Nganassan,0
Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
04-20-2019, 09:44 PM
[1] "distance%=4.4514"
Mascarenhas
EEF,54.2
Yamnaya_Samara,28.8
SHG,9.2
Natufian,6
Yoruba,1.8
Impaler
04-20-2019, 10:07 PM
Impaler
"fit": 3.2546,
"EEF": 43.33,
"Yamnaya_Samara": 40.83,
"Iran_N": 7.5,
"Natufian": 5.83,
"Nganassan": 1.67,
"SHG": 0.83,
Bunalim
04-20-2019, 10:09 PM
NW_scaled
EEF:LBK_N,43.3
Yamnaya_Samara,33.7
CHG:KK1,18
Natufian,4
Iran_N,1
EHG,0
SHG,0
Yoruba,0
Nganassan,0
Would this be considered a PIE result?
Not a Cop
04-20-2019, 10:33 PM
Would this be considered a PIE result?
PIE result would've been Yamnaya 100.
Here is mine.
Yamnaya_Samara,47.5
EEF:LBK_N,28.6
SHG,21.9
Nganassan,1.6
Natufian,0.4
EHG,0
CHG:KK1,0
Yoruba,0
Iran_N,0
Bunalim
04-20-2019, 10:42 PM
PIE result would've been Yamnaya 100.
Here is mine.
Yamnaya_Samara,47.5
EEF:LBK_N,28.6
SHG,21.9
Nganassan,1.6
Natufian,0.4
EHG,0
CHG:KK1,0
Yoruba,0
Iran_N,0
I see! So the only populations on this calculator that are considered PIE would be Yamnaya?
Not a Cop
04-20-2019, 11:17 PM
I see! So the only populations on this calculator that are considered PIE would be Yamnaya?
Yeah.
Rædwald
04-20-2019, 11:42 PM
What numbers do I need to have this run?
Bunalim
04-21-2019, 12:45 AM
What numbers do I need to have this run?
G25 coordinates. If you have them I can run this test for you.
FinalFlash
04-21-2019, 01:06 AM
I think the Barcin_N corresponds to Neolithic Anatolian Farmers, the rest I've no idea, mate.
It does. Barcin_N peaks in Sardinians.
FinalFlash
04-21-2019, 01:07 AM
PIE result would've been Yamnaya 100.
Here is mine.
Yamnaya_Samara,47.5
EEF:LBK_N,28.6
SHG,21.9
Nganassan,1.6
Natufian,0.4
EHG,0
CHG:KK1,0
Yoruba,0
Iran_N,0
Steppe master race
dosas
04-21-2019, 04:57 AM
I see! So the only populations on this calculator that are considered PIE would be Yamnaya?
The PIE populations would also have CHG and EHG input (source (https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/01/another-look-at-genetic-structure-of.html)). According to the latest developments, southern Caucasus CHG=PIE (https://indo-european.eu/2018/05/the-new-scicomms-warhorse-is-chg-ancestry-pie-and-the-iranian-homeland/).
Bunalim
04-21-2019, 05:03 AM
The PIE populations would also have CHG and EHG input (source (https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/01/another-look-at-genetic-structure-of.html)). According to the latest developments, southern Caucasus CHG=PIE (https://indo-european.eu/2018/05/the-new-scicomms-warhorse-is-chg-ancestry-pie-and-the-iranian-homeland/).
How fascinating. Thanks for the information.
dududud
04-21-2019, 06:37 AM
It does. Barcin_N peaks in Sardinians.
I think Barcin = Early European Farmer, was a mixture of Anatolian Farmer + some Hunter Gather and it's peaks in Sardinian (also in North Italy, even if less that in Sardinia, more that in "South Italy). But not "pure anatolian farmer".
FinalFlash
04-21-2019, 06:40 AM
I think Barcin = Early European Farmer, was a mixture of Anatolian Farmer + some Hunter Gather and it's peaks in Sardinian (also in North Italy, even if less that in Sardinia, more that in "South Italy). But not "pure anatolian farmer".
You can simply run steppe with Barcin_N if you want to discern how much EEF you score.
Imperator Biff
04-21-2019, 08:19 PM
How fascinating. Thanks for the information.
This theory is very unlikely imo, CHG were probably either proto-kartvelian or proto-hurrian speakers.
Bosniensis
04-21-2019, 08:34 PM
can someone do mine: (can't do it alone, doesn't work ffs)
,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Bosniensis_scaled,0.126344,0.135065,0.035826,0.014 535,0.028005,0.01255,0,0.005769,-0.002659,-0.002369,0.002923,-0.006744,0.005352,0.011973,-0.016286,-0.003315,-0.003651,-0.003041,0.00993,-0.008629,-0.007237,-0.008161,0.007765,-0.005904,0.003832
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Bosniensis,0.0111,0.0133,0.0095,0.0045,0.0091,0.00 45,0,0.0025,-0.0013,-0.0013,0.0018,-0.0045,0.0036,0.0087,-0.012,-0.0025,-0.0028,-0.0024,0.0079,-0.0069,-0.0058,-0.0066,0.0063,-0.0049,0.0032
[1] "distance%=4.1163"
EEF,47.8
Yamnaya_Samara,40.2
SHG,11.2
Natufian,0.8
can someone do mine: (can't do it alone, doesn't work ffs)
,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Bosniensis_scaled,0.126344,0.135065,0.035826,0.014 535,0.028005,0.01255,0,0.005769,-0.002659,-0.002369,0.002923,-0.006744,0.005352,0.011973,-0.016286,-0.003315,-0.003651,-0.003041,0.00993,-0.008629,-0.007237,-0.008161,0.007765,-0.005904,0.003832
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Bosniensis,0.0111,0.0133,0.0095,0.0045,0.0091,0.00 45,0,0.0025,-0.0013,-0.0013,0.0018,-0.0045,0.0036,0.0087,-0.012,-0.0025,-0.0028,-0.0024,0.0079,-0.0069,-0.0058,-0.0066,0.0063,-0.0049,0.0032
"distance%=4.6886"
Bosniensis_scaled
EEF,47
Yamnaya_Samara,41
SHG,7.6
Natufian,2.4
Iran_N,2
can someone do mine: (can't do it alone, doesn't work ffs)
,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Bosniensis_scaled,0.126344,0.135065,0.035826,0.014 535,0.028005,0.01255,0,0.005769,-0.002659,-0.002369,0.002923,-0.006744,0.005352,0.011973,-0.016286,-0.003315,-0.003651,-0.003041,0.00993,-0.008629,-0.007237,-0.008161,0.007765,-0.005904,0.003832
,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Bosniensis,0.0111,0.0133,0.0095,0.0045,0.0091,0.00 45,0,0.0025,-0.0013,-0.0013,0.0018,-0.0045,0.0036,0.0087,-0.012,-0.0025,-0.0028,-0.0024,0.0079,-0.0069,-0.0058,-0.0066,0.0063,-0.0049,0.0032
[1] "distance%=4.6945"
Bosniensis_scaled
EEF,47.2
Yamnaya_Samara,41.4
SHG,7.4
Natufian,2.4
Iran_N,1
CHG,0.6
What error did you get?
[1] "distance%=4.6945"
Bosniensis_scaled
EEF,47.2
Yamnaya_Samara,41.4
SHG,7.4
Natufian,2.4
Iran_N,1
CHG,0.6
What error did you get?
how come mine is different
how come mine is different
The actual components are the same, the only difference is the distance, which is because of statistical noise I reckon.
Edit: nevermind I looked at my own results hahaha
Bosniensis
04-21-2019, 08:44 PM
[1] "distance%=4.6945"
Bosniensis_scaled
EEF,47.2
Yamnaya_Samara,41.4
SHG,7.4
Natufian,2.4
Iran_N,1
CHG,0.6
What error did you get?
Failed with getnmonte command, forgot it.. fuck it.. xD
The actual components are the same, the only difference is the distance, which is because of statistical noise I reckon.
huh? I ran his co-ordinates and not the same as what you posted
huh? I ran his co-ordinates and not the same as what you posted
Yeah, I realised. Look at my edit. I looked at the results I ran through your quote.
huh? I ran his co-ordinates and not the same as what you posted
I ran my own results again and here they are:
distance%=4.12"
EEF,48
Yamnaya_Samara,40.6
SHG,10.8
Natufian,0.6
Slight difference. I'm pretty sure it's because of the mathematical model which can give slightly different results with each run.
For comparison:
"distance%=4.1163"
EEF,47.8
Yamnaya_Samara,40.2
SHG,11.2
Natufian,0.8
JQP4545
04-21-2019, 09:06 PM
Could you run mine as well please? Thanks
,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Imperator_Biff_scaled,0.133173,0.139128,0.061094,0 .04845,0.03416,0.013108,0.005875,0.001846,0.007363 ,0.006378,-0.005359,0.010191,-0.018731,-0.017616,0.027823,0.003845,-0.011604,0.005701,-0.002514,0.000875,0.007986,0.002473,-0.008381,0.022292,0.003832
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Imperator_Biff,0.0117,0.0137,0.0162,0.015,0.0111,0 .0047,0.0025,0.0008,0.0036,0.0035,-0.0033,0.0068,-0.0126,-0.0128,0.0205,0.0029,-0.0089,0.0045,-0.002,0.0007,0.0064,0.002,-0.0068,0.0185,0.0032
Are you 100% Irish?
Cumansky
04-22-2019, 03:52 AM
Is different from Davidski?
[1]"distance%=6.3291"
Yamnaya_Samara,50.6
Barcin_N,34
WHG,15.4
dosas
04-22-2019, 04:21 AM
This theory is very unlikely imo, CHG were probably either proto-kartvelian or proto-hurrian speakers.
Unlikely according to whom. Some random poster on the internet? New Scientist publishes only top research material and even the steppe advocates seem to be backing down (source (https://indo-european.eu/2018/05/copenhagen-group-germanic-and-balto-slavic-from-bell-beaker-indo-anatolian-homeland-in-the-caucasus/)).
Imperator Biff
04-23-2019, 04:50 PM
Unlikely according to whom. Some random poster on the internet? New Scientist publishes only top research material and even the steppe advocates seem to be backing down (source (https://indo-european.eu/2018/05/copenhagen-group-germanic-and-balto-slavic-from-bell-beaker-indo-anatolian-homeland-in-the-caucasus/)).
Apart from Reich, Kristiansen and a few people at the MPI no one really takes this “CHG=PIE” theory very seriously, not just some “random poster on the internet”. Maykop contributed nothing genetically to the PC steppe and couldn’t have been a vector for PIE. The Wang study rubbished this idea (not that it had much legitimacy in the first place.) A few Anatolian genomes lacking steppe ancestry doesn’t prove PIE is from Armenia or NW Iran or whatever obscure place you people believe it’s from.
And why on Earth are you sharing a link from a guy who unironically believes corded ware was proto-Uralic speaking?
Imperator Biff
04-23-2019, 04:58 PM
Are you 100% Irish?
Yes.
dosas
04-23-2019, 05:00 PM
snip
I, as in 'we people', have no horse in this race, obviously unlike yourself. I am interested in all scientific sources, which you cite none to support your arguments by the way (although I do find them interesting and informative, nonetheless). The reason I linked that guy's blog is because you have to pay to read the New Scientist article.
Feel free to take the time to educate us in recent developments, you seem very knowledgeable.
K, bro?
Imperator Biff
04-23-2019, 05:14 PM
I, as in 'we people', have no horse in this race, obviously unlike yourself. I am interested in all scientific sources, which you cite none to support your arguments by the way (although I do find them interesting and informative, nonetheless). The reason I linked that guy's blog is because you have to pay to read the New Scientist article.
Feel free to take the time to educate us in recent developments, you seem very knowledgeable.
K, bro?
Cite sources? Did I not just mention the Wang paper?
The fully published study is free to view on nature.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-08220-8
dosas
04-23-2019, 05:19 PM
Cite sources? Did I not just mention the Wang paper?
The fully published study is free to view on nature.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-08220-8
I've read this article before. Can you explain how it invalidates the 'Iranian homeland' argument the CHG=PIe makes? I am really interested in understanding.
Imperator Biff
04-23-2019, 06:37 PM
I've read this article before. Can you explain how it invalidates the 'Iranian homeland' argument the CHG=PIe makes? I am really interested in understanding.
Basically the west asian ‘CHG like’ ancestry yamnaya has is too ANE rich to be from such a southern source like Iran/Armenia ntm pretty much all of it came via female exogamy looking at the mitogenomes. Patriarchal cultures don’t typically speak the languages of their wives.
Coastal Elite
05-25-2019, 04:44 AM
Could you run mine as well please? Thanks
,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Imperator_Biff_scaled,0.133173,0.139128,0.061094,0 .04845,0.03416,0.013108,0.005875,0.001846,0.007363 ,0.006378,-0.005359,0.010191,-0.018731,-0.017616,0.027823,0.003845,-0.011604,0.005701,-0.002514,0.000875,0.007986,0.002473,-0.008381,0.022292,0.003832
,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Imperator_Biff,0.0117,0.0137,0.0162,0.015,0.0111,0 .0047,0.0025,0.0008,0.0036,0.0035,-0.0033,0.0068,-0.0126,-0.0128,0.0205,0.0029,-0.0089,0.0045,-0.002,0.0007,0.0064,0.002,-0.0068,0.0185,0.0032
Only 44% Yamnaya_Samara? Seems full Irish should have more.
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