Classify blonde Persian male from Iran

[Oghuz]

Ancestyy: Persian and Kurdish mixture.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8a/38/e5/8a38e57c7428f95223ef2688c5affb00.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/92/0b/d1/920bd10c1ebc680717573a2f91b14ed1.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c8/c4/17/c8c41785c4d7cc084d534db8c8301c35.jpg

His surname points to some connection similiar origin as Saffavids. They were also red haired or blondes.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6ce1b503deeee90fdea3d987e8580a09

[Oghuz]

Iranid (phenotype) but Irano Nordid (the hair and eye color)
Irano med

[Xacal]

north pontid

[TheMaestro]

Hitler jugend

[Oghuz]

north pontid

His facial construction and cheek bones are far more closer to chiseled Iranid then pontid.

http://humanphenotypes.net/iranidm.jpghttp://humanphenotypes.net/northpontidm.jpg

[The Blade]

Nordic on first place and with a secondary Cro-Magnon influence.

[Oghuz]

Hitler jugend

Hitler was ok with muslims ?

[Aspirin]

Nordic.

[Oghuz]

Nordic on first place and with a secondary Cro-Magnon influence.

you mean Irano nordid ?

i.e. an Iranid with light hairs and eyes.

[TheMaestro]

Hitler was ok with muslims ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Arabian_Legion

[Bornoz]

North Pontid

He is not blonde tho

[The Blade]

you mean Irano nordid ?

i.e. an Iranid with light hairs and eyes.
No, while a good bunch of Iranians show intermediate traits between Iranid and Corded, this man has a more pan-Indo-european phenotype.
That type existed among ancient Sarmatians, Scythians, Thracians and even Anglo-Saxons.
Give the man a Western surname and nobody would be saying Iranid/Irano-Nordid.

[21993]

East Nordid

[Übermensch]

Corded nordid.

[Übermensch]

North Pontid

He is not blonde tho

He is darkish ash blond, which still in the range of blond hair, even if darker...
He can easly pass as swedish,danish,english or german, and of course slavic, this is the original aryan/indoeuropean look.

[Tooting Carmen]

Could pass almost anywhere in Europe. Some of the classifications here are utterly biased and risible.

[FinalFlash]

Could pass almost anywhere in Europe. Some of the classifications here are utterly biased and risible.

Seriously. The man is clearly North Pontid in appearance or at least something in that neighborhood. I guarantee you that if this Iranid type was given a completely different name, half the Iranians that were classified as such would never be classified as 'Iranid'. The same applies for the Kurds too.

[Oghuz]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Arabian_Legion

YES and ...

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?284037-Common-phenotype-among-Iranian-Nazis

[Tigranes]

https://i.ibb.co/hgsL71d/Proto-Nordid.png

[Token]

Straight-up Nordic, could pass in Northern Europe.

[Oghuz]

https://i.ibb.co/hgsL71d/Proto-Nordid.png

His jawline, nose shape are very different from Proto Nordid.

[Blondie]

Proto-nordid

[Oghuz]

No, while a good bunch of Iranians show intermediate traits between Iranid and Corded, this man has a more pan-Indo-european phenotype.
That type existed among ancient Sarmatians, Scythians, Thracians and even Anglo-Saxons.
Give the man a Western surname and nobody would be saying Iranid/Irano-Nordid.

I like your point of view but I disagree and I will explain why. I have noticed some European members here to see any slim Iranian person (facial bone structure visible) and call him/her as pontid, north pontid, atlantid, atlanto med, nordid etc which makes no sense at all. What is the connection between atlantid, atlanto med or nordic with population of Iran ? IE Sintashta originated Iranic groups that formed the modern day Iranid phenotype or identity had no genetic or historical connection to Nordic, Atlantid types of Europe. Yes there can be strong overlaps with Pontid because proto indo Iranid sychtians presence on pontic steppe but nothing beyond that.

I think this major confusion comes from same cranial or mandibular measurements of Atlantid, pontid, Iranid. I posted a thread before on that subject. People see any light haired Iranian and think he is some long lost European in Muslim lands.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?285585-Atlantid-Pontid-Iranid-Litorid-Same-measurements

[Oghuz]

Seriously. The man is clearly North Pontid in appearance or at least something in that neighborhood. I guarantee you that if this Iranid type was given a completely different name, half the Iranians that were classified as such would never be classified as 'Iranid'. The same applies for the Kurds too.

His cheek bone proportions are not pontid and the nose is more convex. Pontid and Iranid are very close in measurements but this mans nose is tilted towards Iranid, orientalid compared to the concave North Pontid.

At best he can be classified as Irano Nordid

See for yourself

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/92/0b/d1/920bd10c1ebc680717573a2f91b14ed1.jpghttp://humanphenotypes.net/iranidm.jpg
http://humanphenotypes.net/northatlantidm.jpg

[FinalFlash]

His cheek bone proportions are not pontid and the nose is more convex. Pontid and Iranid are very close in measurements but this mans nose is tilted towards Iranid, orientalid compared to the concave North Pontid.

At best he can be classified as Irano Nordid

See for yourself

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/92/0b/d1/920bd10c1ebc680717573a2f91b14ed1.jpghttp://humanphenotypes.net/iranidm.jpg
http://humanphenotypes.net/northatlantidm.jpg

I disagree. The Iranian's features are more representative of the latter image than the former. If this man's ethnicity was unknown, there is no way in blue hell anyway would even mention him as an Iranid. As a matter of fact, they would be scoffed at for saying so.

[Oghuz]

I disagree. The Iranian's features are more representative of the latter image than the former.

I think you are focusing too much on the skin tone and eye color.

His soft tissue proportions are more tilted towards iranid. His cheek bones fat proportions, convex nose, angular jawline, droopy lower eyelid (orientalid) matches with Iranid compared to european type north pontid. Pontids have bit rounder face, rounder chins, more fat on cheeks. Also they have more straighter lower eye lid (european) compared to Iranid eye shape.

Irano nordoid people like him are basically slightly depigmented Iranid. Slightly means ash blonde, light brown, red haired. Full blonde is hard to find in Iran.



If this man's ethnicity was unknown, there is no way in blue hell anyway would even mention him as an Iranid. As a matter of fact, they would be scoffed at for saying so.

Same logic can be applied to many people being posted here.

Is this man Iranid to you ? he is fully Persian. I posted him before and thick majority called him Atlanto med.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vampirediaries/images/3/3b/Aria_Shahghasemi.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171123192904

Depigmented Iranids or Irano nordoid type is rather less known because we do not have morphs and on phenotype websites, its yet not fully defined despite such people being in respectable quantity among persians, kurds in western Iran. Most of the members here are from Europe and I would say many think Iran is some sort of an arab nation. They see any depigmented Iranian and they would start coming up with atlantid, atlanto med, nordic, nordoid, north pontid etc which makes no sense at all.

[FinalFlash]

I think you are focusing too much on the skin tone and eye color.

His soft tissue proportions are more tilted towards iranid. His cheek bones fat proportions, convex nose, angular jawline, droopy lower eyelid (orientalid) matches with Iranid compared to european type north pontid. Pontids have bit rounder face, rounder chins, more fat on cheeks. Also they have more straighter lower eye lid (european) compared to Iranid eye shape.

Irano nordoid people like him are basically slightly depigmented Iranid. Slightly means ash blonde, light brown, red haired. Full blonde is hard to find in Iran.




Same logic can be applied to many people being posted here.

Is this man Iranid to you ? he is fully Persian. I posted him before and thick majority called him Atlanto med.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vampirediaries/images/3/3b/Aria_Shahghasemi.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171123192904

Depigmented Iranids or Irano nordoid type is rather less known because we do not have morphs and on phenotype websites, its yet not fully defined despite such people being in respectable quantity among persians, kurds in western Iran. Most of the members here are from Europe and I would say many think Iran is some sort of an arab nation. They see any depigmented Iranian and they would start coming up with atlantid, atlanto med, nordic, nordoid, north pontid etc which makes no sense at all.

That's my point. I don't pay attention to skin or hair pigmentation. My entire focus is on his facial features which don't look typical of that Iranid morph. Unless that Iranid morph is not representative then I don't see how this man is a typical Iranid.

Honestly, if your example is that of a typical Iranid, then Coon was an absolute moron for misrepresenting Iranids.

[Oghuz]

That's my point. I don't pay attention to skin or hair pigmentation. My entire focus is on his facial features which don't look typical of that Iranid morph. Unless that Iranid morph is not representative then I don't see how this man is a typical Iranid.

Honestly, if your example is that of a typical Iranid, then Coon was an absolute moron for misrepresenting Iranids.

Fair enough but I never said this man is Iranid. I classified him as Irano Nordoid. I used Iranid morph to prove my point that his Irano Nordoid features are more closer to his Iranid sibling phenotype compared to north pontid.

We actually lack a proper morph of Irano Nordoid which makes things confusing for people who are not much familiar with Iranid sub types.

Good discussion!

[FinalFlash]

Fair enough but I never said this man is Iranid. I classified him as Irano Nordoid. I used Iranid morph to prove my point that his Irano Nordoid features are more closer to his Iranid sibling phenotype compared to north pontid.

We actually lack a proper morph of Irano Nordoid which makes things confusing for people who are not much familiar with Iranid sub types.

Good discussion!

Yes. Btw, how common is this Iranonordoid type in Iran? Which ethnic groups in Iran have this phenotype with the highest frequencies?

[Oghuz]

Yes. Btw, how common is this Iranonordoid type in Iran? Which ethnic groups in Iran have this phenotype with the highest frequencies?

Not very common in purest form but still strong numbers. They erupt up mostly mixed with Iranid, Proto-Iranid among western and caspian persians and Kurds. Hence, the hair color gets bit darker. My own beard and eye color is brown to light brown.

If you count all Iranic subgroups then Kurds, Caspian Persians, Oesstians, Nuristani Pashtuns will have the highest % of Irano nordoids.

http://www.homaartgallery.com/Files/ProfileFiles/big_118.jpg
https://www.memri.org/sites/default/files/pic_clip/ramin.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c831109/v831109133/cdfc9/trZ6b6uIKVI.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c834201/v834201781/1051df/hK13h1H3Qpc.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/%C5%9Eivan%C3%AA_%C3%AEsepar.jpg
http://staticsml.imam-khomeini.ir/UserFiles/en/Images/NewsPhoto/2018/56_20_11_Fixd.jpg
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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4jIX4Qp6fR0/TjtaYNOy_AI/AAAAAAAABhs/4oSH3EKi3ag/s1600/misagh%20bahadoran7.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Msc_2009-Friday%2C_16.00_-_19.00_Uhr-Dett_007_Larijani.jpg/220px-Msc_2009-Friday%2C_16.00_-_19.00_Uhr-Dett_007_Larijani.jpg
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http://www.allempires.com/forum/uploads/Others/dez.jpg
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[FinalFlash]

Not very common in purest form but still strong numbers. They erupt up mostly mixed with Iranid, Proto-Iranid among western and caspian persians and Kurds. Hence, the hair color gets bit darker. My own beard and eye color is brown to light brown.

If you count all Iranic subgroups then Kurds, Caspian Persians, Oesstians, Nuristani Pashtuns will have the highest % of Irano nordoids.

http://www.homaartgallery.com/Files/ProfileFiles/big_118.jpg
https://www.memri.org/sites/default/files/pic_clip/ramin.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c831109/v831109133/cdfc9/trZ6b6uIKVI.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c834201/v834201781/1051df/hK13h1H3Qpc.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/%C5%9Eivan%C3%AA_%C3%AEsepar.jpg
http://staticsml.imam-khomeini.ir/UserFiles/en/Images/NewsPhoto/2018/56_20_11_Fixd.jpg
https://www.icit-digital.org/admin/docs/people/559001a2d76a4_400.jpg
https://a1-images.myspacecdn.com/images03/19/de5c9a9e4a48487cb575126993e2a878/300x300.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4jIX4Qp6fR0/TjtaYNOy_AI/AAAAAAAABhs/4oSH3EKi3ag/s1600/misagh%20bahadoran7.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Msc_2009-Friday%2C_16.00_-_19.00_Uhr-Dett_007_Larijani.jpg/220px-Msc_2009-Friday%2C_16.00_-_19.00_Uhr-Dett_007_Larijani.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3636/1660/1600/5.gif
http://www.allempires.com/forum/uploads/Others/dez.jpg
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1%, 3%, 5%, 10% of Iranians?

[Oghuz]

1%, 3%, 5%, 10% of Iranians?

I can't be sure but i think ~5-10%

not sure because most people are mixed and you do not know which category to put them into.

[FinalFlash]

I can't be sure but i think ~5-10%

not sure because most people are mixed and you do not know which category to put them into.

Damn. So there are literally millions of Iranians who look like these people.

[Oghuz]

Damn. So there are literally millions of Iranians who look like these people.

I was actually talking about whole Iranic race including Pashtuns, Ossetians, Kurds from other countries etc.

But yes even inside Iran my rough guess will be like 2-4 % Irano nordoid population (mixed off-course) among kurds and western Farsi.

This type mostly is present in rural areas.

This is an urban crowd. Look at the lighter hair color % and you will get an idea. Even though this might not be the good example because its a city where dark haired azeris, persians make up the thickest majority. Out of 100 heads, you may find 3-5 light haired, pale skinned men.

https://ak5.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/5388035/thumb/8.jpg

[XenophobicPrussian]

He is darkish ash blond, which still in the range of blond hair, even if darker...
He can easly pass as swedish,danish,english or german, and of course slavic, this is the original aryan/indoeuropean look.
So Brown Bears need to be renamed to "Blonde Bears"? Your definition of blonde is scientifically incorrect, it's brown hair, only called blonde because it can look blonde in certain lighting. This is why shitty ancient accounts of populations exist and why historic Nordicists claim Romans were blonde because of said shitty sources.

http://www.wildnatureimages.com/images%202/050612-100..jpg


No, while a good bunch of Iranians show intermediate traits between Iranid and Corded, this man has a more pan-Indo-european phenotype.
That type existed among ancient Sarmatians, Scythians, Thracians and even Anglo-Saxons.
Give the man a Western surname and nobody would be saying Iranid/Irano-Nordid.


Could pass almost anywhere in Europe. Some of the classifications here are utterly biased and risible.


Straight-up Nordic, could pass in Northern Europe.
Gotta disagree with you guys going off the first picture, he actually does look really exotic there. Third and the second to a lesser extent can pass as Euro, but the third is garbage quality. Maybe I'm only saying it now because I know he's Iranian, but I think I would've said something looks really off if someone told me he was British or something. I wouldn't say Irano-Nordid but I'd say strong southern Euro/MENA influence. I don't think you can find those eyes anywhere in NW Europe, they're very Iran-Caucasus/etc specific.

If I had to pick a Nordid phenotype he looks closest to, it'd be Keltid-Nordid, and they look very different from the first pic of this Iranian dude. I'm guessing with more pictures, more MENA features would show. Eyes are just way too exotic, imo.

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/michaelcaine.jpg

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/alecnew.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qKYtQ4r0L6c/hqdefault.jpg

[Corded]

Proto-Nordid

[Oghuz]

More pics of the gentleman. I was avoiding these ones because these are rather more younger modelling pics with added makeup. The OP pics are more natural and real.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/73/9b/12/739b12d801985afe7a72e5319bab7c34.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/83/37/69833792600e40851c4767c286bce105.jpg
https://scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/7b33ca7ba27b0f2881fb0dd21aa07341/5D3B50D7/t51.2885-19/s150x150/52280221_550513428791330_346053374828871680_n.jpg? _nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com&se=8

[Übermensch]

More pics of the gentleman. I was avoiding these ones because these are rather more younger modelling pics with added makeup. The OP pics are more natural and real.

[IMG]

Looks danish or english, pure indoeuropean/aryan look.

[Oghuz]

Looks danish or english, pure indoeuropean/aryan look.

These are modelling pics with makeup, effects.

[Übermensch]

These are modelling pics with makeup, effects.

So what? Do you think western models aren't photoshoped?

[Rouxinol]

That guy resembles Alexander Skarsgård.
Phenotype approaching Nordid.
Could pass in Sweden.

Alexander Skarsgård
http://www.hairfunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/alexander-skarsgard-hair-alexander-skarsgard-just-did-something-wsfzwpc-11.jpg https://relationships.femalefirst.co.uk/image-library/port/1000/a/alexander-skarsgard-wi0613-169608793.jpg

[Oghuz]

So what? Do you think western models aren't photoshoped?

I am sure western models are photoshopped as well but my point was that this man's OP pics are more reliable than these modelling pics. I just posted these new ones because some members are arguing over the hair color.

I would still say that scientifically speaking, his phenotype is more closer to Irano nordoid, Irano-CM, Iranid.

[Ylla]

Looks like a light balkanite rather than nordic.

[Übermensch]

That guy resembles Alexander Skarsgård.
Phenotype approaching Nordid.
Could pass in Sweden.

Alexander Skarsgård
]

I'd say this iranian model is even more aryan/indoeuropean looking than alexander skasgrad , since his features are more angular and sharper, skasgrad has clearly some native scandinavian baltid/CM blood.

[Oghuz]

That guy resembles Alexander Skarsgård.
Phenotype approaching Nordid.
Could pass in Sweden.

Alexander Skarsgård
http://www.hairfunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/alexander-skarsgard-hair-alexander-skarsgard-just-did-something-wsfzwpc-11.jpg https://relationships.femalefirst.co.uk/image-library/port/1000/a/alexander-skarsgard-wi0613-169608793.jpg

This man is Tronder with Lappid influence not Nordid.

The gentleman in question is Irano Nordoid type. His European equivalent can be North Pontid and Nordoid if he was from Europe but he is not so Irano nordoid.

[Oghuz]

Looks like a light balkanite rather than nordic.

because cranial and mandibular measurements of North Pontid of Balkan and Iranid are almost same.

[Ylla]

because cranial and mandibular measurements of North Pontid of Balkan and Iranid are almost same.

True but im not really looking at cranial stuff, just the vibe on his face.

[Oghuz]

I'd say this iranian model is even more aryan/indoeuropean looking than alexander skasgrad , since his features are more angular and sharper, skasgrad has clearly some native scandinavian baltid/CM blood.

That could be true and because Skarsgard (very handsome man) has lappid influence with pseudo mongoloid eyes.

The gentleman in question has a surname which I have never seen with darker hairs. Apparently, these are Persian-Kurdish mixtures. Whether they live inside Iran or outside, they always have Irano nordoid tendencies.

[Oghuz]

True but im not really looking at cranial stuff, just the vibe on his face.

Would he pass in Albania ?

[Oghuz]

True but im not really looking at cranial stuff, just the vibe on his face.

Would he pass in Albania ?

[itilvolga]

Irano-Nordid.

[Oghuz]

Irano-Nordid.

Would he pass among light haired Turks? or do you see more Iranid skull shape in him?

[itilvolga]

Would he pass among light haired Turks? or do you see more Iranid skull shape in him?

He just looks light pigmented Kurdish.

[Oghuz]

He just looks light pigmented Kurdish.

That is what he is in real as well. A depigmented Persian-Kurdish man from western Iran.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Just Nordic, looks fully white.

[Oghuz]

Just Nordic, looks fully white.

White is Christian Caucasian identity of Europe.

This man is a MENA muslim. I would say he is pseudo white looking in his modelling pics at best.

[Ylla]

Would he pass in Albania ?

Yeah i think he can.

[Blinddignity]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/83/37/69833792600e40851c4767c286bce105.jpg

Can't put my finger on it but something does look distinctively Iranid in this photo. Something in this photo too:



https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8a/38/e5/8a38e57c7428f95223ef2688c5affb00.jpg

I think it's his orbital rim.

He could pass as Sniper Wolf's brother.

[Gangrel]

Could generally pass as pan-Euro, main part of him that's a bit off is his eyes but that's it.

[The Blade]

I like your point of view but I disagree and I will explain why. I have noticed some European members here to see any slim Iranian person (facial bone structure visible) and call him/her as pontid, north pontid, atlantid, atlanto med, nordid etc which makes no sense at all. What is the connection between atlantid, atlanto med or nordic with population of Iran ? IE Sintashta originated Iranic groups that formed the modern day Iranid phenotype or identity had no genetic or historical connection to Nordic, Atlantid types of Europe. Yes there can be strong overlaps with Pontid because proto indo Iranid sychtians presence on pontic steppe but nothing beyond that.

I think this major confusion comes from same cranial or mandibular measurements of Atlantid, pontid, Iranid. I posted a thread before on that subject. People see any light haired Iranian and think he is some long lost European in Muslim lands.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?285585-Atlantid-Pontid-Iranid-Litorid-Same-measurements
I don't see these types as long lost Europeans but it's a fact that certain people who inhabited ancient Iranian lands also settled in Europe - Scythians being one such example.
Another thing is that Iranic tribes were craniometrically more similar to ancient European Aurignacids than were, for instance, Arabs.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

White is Christian Caucasian identity of Europe.

This man is a MENA muslim. I would say he is pseudo white looking in his modelling pics at best.

I don't classify by ethnicity mate

He doesn't look typical depigmented west asian/mena, Irano-Nordoids shown on net still have pretty alien features for Europe. This dude doesn't.
got no doubt some Iranics can look like him, but he just look totally Nordic. there are millions of Europeans who look ten times more mena than this guy.

[Oghuz]

I don't classify by ethnicity mate

He doesn't look typical depigmented west asian/mena, Irano-Nordoids shown on net still have pretty alien features for Europe. This dude doesn't.
got no doubt some Iranics can look like him, but he just look totally Nordic. there are millions of Europeans who look ten times more mena than this guy.

The eyes, jawline, cheek bone fat proportions is far closer to Iranid then to North Pontid let alone to Nordic. He Irano nordoid+Irano Med IMO.

MENA is a very diverse region of some 700 million people.

[Zeus]

I would guess he was a German. Honestly he looks like what I imagine a Nazi propaganda model would look like

[Oghuz]

Can't put my finger on it but something does look distinctively Iranid in this photo. Something in this photo too:



I think it's his orbital rim.

He could pass as Sniper Wolf's brother.

Whats sniper wolf ?

You guessed it right. His eyes are not EURO. His eyes closely match with other Semi or full Irano Nordoid type persian or kurdish men of his country.

http://awwproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/blue-eyes.jpg
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https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0ad1a677c9fcf9dfd4a26b0aeb4a1af4
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b537eb6bafe12c29f3374173e7d2f4a0
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/29/71/63/297163d77b6de4d769fb1852b5da07ad.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a2/7c/c5/a27cc5d6ac35ba7ad520b33cc2f0c048.jpg

[Zeus]

Whats sniper wolf ?


sniper wolf is a VERY famous youtube- she is greek and Turkish ethnically if I remember correctly
https://www.youtube.com/user/SSSniperWolf/videos

[Oghuz]

sniper wolf is a VERY famous youtube- she is greek and Turkish ethnically if I remember correctly
https://www.youtube.com/user/SSSniperWolf/videos

Googled her.

Looks more Turkish then greek

[xtal]

I would have never guessed him as Iranian tbh

[Smeagol]

Would fit better in a crowd of Germans than Iranians.

[Erronkari]

Irano Nordoid.

[Rgvgjhvv]

There's literally nothing Iranid about him tbh

[Papastratosels26]

Atypical

[XenophobicPrussian]

Either people are just ignoring the first pic or still messed up from 420. When blonde Italians, Spaniards or Greeks are posted, usually they're classified as depigmented Meds, Dinarids, etc(and rightfully so, not that there aren't pure NW phenotypes there though), now this guy is Hitler's poster boy?

Seriously, how is this guy NW Euro looking, let alone Euro? His eyes literally scream desert and sand dunes. Put them on Osama Bin Laden and no one would notice the difference.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8a/38/e5/8a38e57c7428f95223ef2688c5affb00.jpg

If he was pigmented, he'd look like this(number 2):

https://football-tribe.com/asia/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2018/05/iran-800x501.jpg

or this guy:

http://www.sportbuddha.site/img/IRAN/REZAEIAN.jpg

https://editorial01.shutterstock.com/wm-preview-450/10063473d/fb256641/vietnamv-islamic-republic-of-iran-afc-asian-cup-uae-abu-dhabi-united-arab-emirates-shutterstock-editorial-10063473d.jpg


Extremely similar eyes. A pigmented NW Euro looks like this:

https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/1/james-stewart-c-1940s-everett.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/03/21/15/11280568-0-image-m-65_1553183293504.jpg

https://s.hs-data.com/bilder/spieler/gross/151541.jpg

https://www.itromso.no/nyheter/article11697212.ece/ipn0y3/ALTERNATES/w980-default/20151019-125447-0.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/09/df/69/09df6938f186969e207ec01a849cf9b3.jpg

https://arhiiv.saartehaal.ee/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/J%c3%bcri-Ratas-foto-e1366875488134.jpg
(Estonian but can still pass as NW Euro)

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pictures/2011_11_111103a-sg-pc/20111103_111103a-015_rdax_775x517.jpg

http://www.signaturesdb.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Lotta-Schelin-Signature.jpg

http://img1.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/2/b/2bqrn8qudwzwuqwr.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/2wdd8c5.jpg

[xtal]

His eyes literally scream desert and sand dunes. Put them on Osama Bin Laden and no one would notice the difference.

Just a quick fact, Iran is mostly mountainous! (specially western and northern parts)

[Zroota]

Either people are just ignoring the first pic or still messed up from 420. When blonde Italians, Spaniards or Greeks are posted, usually they're classified as depigmented Meds, Dinarids, etc(and rightfully so, not that there aren't pure NW phenotypes there though), now this guy is Hitler's poster boy?

Seriously, how is this guy NW Euro looking, let alone Euro? His eyes literally scream desert and sand dunes. Put them on Osama Bin Laden and no one would notice the difference.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8a/38/e5/8a38e57c7428f95223ef2688c5affb00.jpg

If he was pigmented, he'd look like this(number 2):
I don't think these sort of eyes will be out of place in Europe when we have people like these:

https://66.media.tumblr.com/e8f1f4993e386674a5dc08de35b7361b/tumblr_opyf5gsDps1u4ygiro4_500.jpg
https://mediaplanet.azureedge.net/images/271/68389/VisionandHearing_Jake_Thumbnail.jpg

He may not be a Hitler poster boy, but he's definitely not MENA looking. Okay, he can pass more in the upper Caucasus area if you want West Asia, but definitely not anywhere below it.

[Grace O'Malley]

A male can't be blonde nor brunette. This is just a big bugbear of mine and I don't understand how people constantly use the incorrect form. It is like saying classify this male actress. :)

[Tonythe0ne]

put this guy in an SS outfit and say he's a Nazi and everyone would believe it. The fuckers who think this guy is MENA-looking, if you saw him in Hamburg and he spoke German to you, would you think he was a MENA?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

The eyes, jawline, cheek bone fat proportions is far closer to Iranid then to North Pontid let alone to Nordic. He Irano nordoid+Irano Med IMO.

MENA is a very diverse region of some 700 million people.

Nobody except you would think he's from Iran man, so that tells you enough about how Iranid he is.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Hitleroid Nordic, he looks european.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

People should open a poll if this guy looks euro or not, most will vote yes.

[Fibonacci]

His eyes literally scream desert and sand dunes.

His eyes are literally the opposite of what an Arab or Indian would have. Warmer climate = larger eyes.
There is a reason why most Arabs, gulf Arabs especially have massive eyes.
I also don't know where you get desert and sand dunes from, I was born 2000 meters above sea level on a field greener than Ireland.

[Morena]

nordo-med

Not MENA looking to me. I would guess him as a depigmented S. European before I would guess him as Iranian.

[Fibonacci]

Nobody except you would think he's from Iran man, so that tells you enough about how Iranid he is.

Of course he can be from Iran, a native Infact too. Genetics sometimes work like that, not everybody is born looking like a middle Eastern. My skin tone is lighter than most Europeans I've encountered, especially balkans with the light yellowish skin. 90% of my ancestors are from the Iranian plateau. So what?

[Fibonacci]

This man looks like a depigmented western shifted Iranid. Darken him and he will be classified as an Iranid by everyone on here. Lmao, people forget about cranial and skull measurement similarities between Iranid and other euro phenotypes

[Germaniac]

Ancestyy: Persian and Kurdish mixture.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8a/38/e5/8a38e57c7428f95223ef2688c5affb00.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/92/0b/d1/920bd10c1ebc680717573a2f91b14ed1.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c8/c4/17/c8c41785c4d7cc084d534db8c8301c35.jpg

His surname points to some connection similiar origin as Saffavids. They were also red haired or blondes.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6ce1b503deeee90fdea3d987e8580a09


What’s his surname?

[Thambi]

nordic + iranid nose

[Columella]

would be Nordic in any european country.

[savvas]

Doesn't look North European at all:

https://i.imgur.com/OODq5KY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bpK0MMl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8x9Lg5Y.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/m8SxLhd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UBHmJBE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/V5OgrYY.jpg

[Veslan]

This man looks like a depigmented western shifted Iranid. Darken him and he will be classified as an Iranid by everyone on here. Lmao, people forget about cranial and skull measurement similarities between Iranid and other euro phenotypes

Irano-Afghan skull is actually, almost the same as the Corded skull. The only difference is a nose profile.

[Hashoeva]

Warmer climate equals bigger eyes is really bullshit. You can find all kind of eye types among arabs. Small and big eyes.

[Nurzat]

Proto-Nordid. Aryan invasion face

[Babak]

Depigmented Kurd.

Anyway, these phenotype's exist mostly in higher elevations. Its no surprise that Iranians can look like him.

[Oghuz]

Other people with same surname.

They are mostly Persians from Esfahan.

https://i1.rgstatic.net/ii/profile.image/272179497533452-1441904057585_Q512/Hossain_Saboonchi.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/280x280_RS/d8/51/2f/d8512fb09f0e3b8612ab10a005e76f8a.jpg
https://i1.rgstatic.net/ii/profile.image/272656507338814-1442017785973_Q512/Fredrik_Saboonchi.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000599949093/a875f1dec4b14c93f1e6854156b8e3e4_400x400.jpeg
https://cdn3.sportngin.com/attachments/roster_player_info/9176/7790/0072_medium.jpg
https://www.psykologforbundet.se/globalassets/psykologtidningen/bilderpt-nya-2016/f-saboonchi-for-webb-200.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/995677305518415874/qeiGUaTy_400x400.jpg
https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C5603AQEnAuAj6xMEBw/profile-displayphoto-shrink_200_200/0?e=1559174400&v=beta&t=a0-VsPxSg7uxohvA6uOV8EqOSwkP_K3hxDTC2nIEi8U

[Oghuz]

Depigmented Kurd.

Anyway, these phenotype's exist mostly in higher elevations. Its no surprise that Iranians can look like him.

Offcourse. This type can be found very easily among Persians, Kurds. Irano Nordoid mixed with proper Iranid or proto Iranid is in high numbers inside Iran.

Its funny how people see Iranians here and start saying atlanto med, north pontid, nordic etc. None of that is possible in Iran. Cranial, mandibular measurements of Iranid type is same as Atlanto med, North Pontid, Littoroid hence people get mistaken.

Darken this man and you will get Iranid, Irano med.

[Lousianaboy]

nordid-iranid

[XenophobicPrussian]

Doesn't look North European at all:

https://i.imgur.com/OODq5KY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bpK0MMl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8x9Lg5Y.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/m8SxLhd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UBHmJBE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/V5OgrYY.jpg
Thanks for posting more pics. Definitely not Nordic looking. Could pass as a depigmented Greek/Balkanite at most. The people saying he could pass all over Europe and as Hitler's gay lover are high or ignore arguably the most important part of a phenotype, eye shape.

[Oghuz]

He is more of darkish blonde, ash blonde or brown haired .

He is of Irano Nordoid, Irano med phenotype and these phenotypes are like in millions in Iran.

Irano Nordoid type is not specifically blonde. They are usually light brown to brown haired with Iranid features and so is this man. There is nothing european about him. He may look psuedo white but that can be said about many other MENA types.

I am posting pics of Iranian crowds, 4-6 % people will be Irano Nordoid.

https://ak5.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/5388035/thumb/8.jpg

https://th.thgim.com/news/international/73v986/article26235793.ece/alternates/FREE_660/IRANREVOLUTIONANNIVERSARYTIMELINE

https://ak6.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/5388026/thumb/1.jpg

https://media-us-west-motionelements.s3.amazonaws.com/m/s/311/3114047/a-0174.jpg

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBTqWIc.img?h=415&w=624&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=508&y=339
http://alriyadhdaily.com/img/2018/06/30/cf9e017fcd934f9bb43f8b2a9e92d66f.jpg

https://9c998969b63acdb676d1-37595348221e1b716e1a6cfee3ed7891.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.c om/almpics/2017/08/RTSPOCJ.jpg/RTSPOCJ-870.jpg

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBTqWIc.img?h=415&w=624&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=508&y=339

[Tooting Carmen]

The people in those photos look like Armenians and Azeris to me. All the same, it is indeed striking how much lighter Iranians are on average compared to both Iraqis and especially Pakistanis.

[Tooting Carmen]

As for the newly-posted photos of the OP, I think he'd pass more in NE than NW Europe and, as it happens, his childhood photos look rather like Macaulay Culkin, who is unusually Slavic-looking for his ancestry.

[Oghuz]

The people in those photos look like Armenians and Azeris to me. All the same, it is indeed striking how much lighter Iranians are on average compared to both Iraqis and especially Pakistanis.

Armenians have shorter faces with extra convex nose. If you put an Persian or Kurd specific crowd side by side with Armenians then it will become more visible.

Azeris are of variety.

[Fibonacci]

The people in those photos look like Armenians and Azeris to me. All the same, it is indeed striking how much lighter Iranians are on average compared to both Iraqis and especially Pakistanis.

see the skintones for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8K62Jb-Rok&t=472s

[lameduck]

The people in those photos look like Armenians and Azeris to me. All the same, it is indeed striking how much lighter Iranians are on average compared to both Iraqis and especially Pakistanis.

Yeah Iranians are quite lighter than Pakistanis, I think this is because most iranians are very close to caucasus. They also dont have very dark people we have in Pakistan, even average pashtun would fit more in South Iran than North Iran.

[Oghuz]

Yeah Iranians are quite lighter than Pakistanis, I think this is because most iranians are very close to caucasus. They also dont have very dark people we have in Pakistan, even average pashtun would fit more in South Iran than North Iran.

Average pashtun technically is is eastern Iranic.

[Oghuz]

see the skintones for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8K62Jb-Rok&t=472s

Amazing video man.

[lameduck]

Average pashtun technically is is eastern Iranic.

Where in Iran , you will place this skin tone?It is from last district of Pakistan

https://scontent.fkhi11-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23231682_1753875244632356_2282228010895744257_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent.fkhi11-1.fna&oh=76743d5047da7a51449fd58302fd814b&oe=5D34C20E

[Oghuz]

Where in Iran , you will place this skin tone?It is from last district of Pakistan

https://scontent.fkhi11-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23231682_1753875244632356_2282228010895744257_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent.fkhi11-1.fna&oh=76743d5047da7a51449fd58302fd814b&oe=5D34C20E

with khorasanis I guess ? they look Pamiri, Tajik Persians, Irano afghans. I think these are Pashtuns right ?

[lameduck]

with khorasanis I guess ? they look Pamiri, Tajik Persians, Irano afghans. I think these are Pashtuns right ?

These are chitralis, they are very similar to Pakistani Pashtuns and gilgitis.
There are some isolated villages in Pakistan where people can get bit lighter than this , but this is lightest people can get in South Asia as a group.

[Oghuz]

These are chitralis, they are very similar to Pakistani Pashtuns and gilgitis.
There are some isolated villages in Pakistan where people can get bit lighter than this , but this is lightest people can get in South Asia as a group.

But can these people be called south asians ? I read here before that Dardic people are closer to Afghan Nuristanis, Pamiris, Tajiks.

[lameduck]

But can these people be called south asians ? I read here before that Dardic people are closer to Afghan Nuristanis, Pamiris, Tajiks.

Technically no ,they are not South Asians, Western and Northern pak is historically not South Asia it is Iranian plateau.

E.g here is another pic from North Pakistan , people on Iranian plateau have different undertones to people in Indian subcontinent but obviously there is an overlap in bordering regions ,specially when it comes to women.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOHWMKTXkAM11zL?format=jpg&name=medium

[Norb]

its the eye area and the lips, he stands out a mile and cannot pass in NW Europe

[Norb]

Either people are just ignoring the first pic or still messed up from 420. When blonde Italians, Spaniards or Greeks are posted, usually they're classified as depigmented Meds, Dinarids, etc(and rightfully so, not that there aren't pure NW phenotypes there though), now this guy is Hitler's poster boy?

Seriously, how is this guy NW Euro looking, let alone Euro? His eyes literally scream desert and sand dunes. Put them on Osama Bin Laden and no one would notice the difference.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8a/38/e5/8a38e57c7428f95223ef2688c5affb00.jpg

If he was pigmented, he'd look like this(number 2):

https://football-tribe.com/asia/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2018/05/iran-800x501.jpg

or this guy:

http://www.sportbuddha.site/img/IRAN/REZAEIAN.jpg

https://editorial01.shutterstock.com/wm-preview-450/10063473d/fb256641/vietnamv-islamic-republic-of-iran-afc-asian-cup-uae-abu-dhabi-united-arab-emirates-shutterstock-editorial-10063473d.jpg


Extremely similar eyes. A pigmented NW Euro looks like this:

https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/1/james-stewart-c-1940s-everett.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/03/21/15/11280568-0-image-m-65_1553183293504.jpg

https://s.hs-data.com/bilder/spieler/gross/151541.jpg

https://www.itromso.no/nyheter/article11697212.ece/ipn0y3/ALTERNATES/w980-default/20151019-125447-0.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/09/df/69/09df6938f186969e207ec01a849cf9b3.jpg

https://arhiiv.saartehaal.ee/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/J%c3%bcri-Ratas-foto-e1366875488134.jpg
(Estonian but can still pass as NW Euro)

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pictures/2011_11_111103a-sg-pc/20111103_111103a-015_rdax_775x517.jpg

http://www.signaturesdb.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Lotta-Schelin-Signature.jpg

http://img1.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/2/b/2bqrn8qudwzwuqwr.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/2wdd8c5.jpg

I'm with you!

[Viçwamitra]

Hitler jugend

2 meta 4 me.

https://fortressoffaith.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Haj-Amin-al-Husseini-and-Adolf-Hitler.jpg

[Norb]

he does not pass in NW Europe as European, I'm sorry to disappoint you guys
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/23/b6/c4/23b6c4f9a32ffb5b32e25e3d3f083106--viking-meme-viking-quotes.jpg

[xtal]

The people in those photos look like Armenians and Azeris to me. All the same, it is indeed striking how much lighter Iranians are on average compared to both Iraqis and especially Pakistanis.

Armenians and most Azerbaijanis are lighter than Iranians. Imo Iranians fall between population of Transcaucasia and Iranic speaking south Asians in terms of pigmentations

[Oghuz]

he does not pass in NW Europe, I'm sorry to disappoint you guys
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/23/b6/c4/23b6c4f9a32ffb5b32e25e3d3f083106--viking-meme-viking-quotes.jpg

you disappointed none. Almost majority here thinks he is Irano nordoid type.

[Norb]

you disappointed none. Almost majority here thinks he is Irano nordoid type.

Irano Nordoid that can pass as 100% European according to TA members

[Oghuz]

Irano Nordoid that can pass as 100% European according to TA members

I dont agree offcourse. Those who think that are getting fooled by Cranial proximity of Iranid types to European types. But still majority here thinks he is just an Iranian.

[aherne]

He looks Corded + Iranid. Can pass as Southern European, but he's atypical...

[Fibonacci]

The people in those photos look like Armenians and Azeris to me. All the same, it is indeed striking how much lighter Iranians are on average compared to both Iraqis and especially Pakistanis.

Our skin tone is actually pretty unique I find. Iranians native to northern/central provinces vary from olive - light olive - pale skin tones. But a lot of the times, our skin has a pinkish glow under sunlight which is why Arab/muslim text described Persians as having reddish skin, they also said the thing same with the Romans. Our skin tone has unique properties under different lighting as well.

https://imgur.com/fjzB3QD.jpg

[Oghuz]

Thread is alive LOL

[kevinmac]

Fits only in northern europe. Even in the Netherlands. No way in hell does he pass in the south. He actually looks uber German looking as well.

[Oghuz]

Fits only in northern europe. Even in the Netherlands. No way in hell does he pass in the south. He actually looks uber German looking as well.

He is not german looking cmon.

He cant pass among german members of this german soccer team

https://i.cbc.ca/1.1580561.1379054541!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/german-soccer-940-8col.jpg

[Lousianaboy]

looks like me

[Oghuz]

looks like me

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1MP1wiOMP6U/maxresdefault.jpg

[Zeus]

Nordid/Proto Nordid


He is not german looking cmon.

He cant pass among german members of this german soccer team

https://i.cbc.ca/1.1580561.1379054541!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/german-soccer-940-8col.jpg

yes he could lol.....

[FinalFlash]

He is not german looking cmon.

He cant pass among german members of this german soccer team

https://i.cbc.ca/1.1580561.1379054541!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/german-soccer-940-8col.jpg

Doesn't your average Iranian score somewhere close to 20% Steppe admixture? I'm sure some can look straight up European.

[Oghuz]

Doesn't your average Iranian score somewhere close to 20% Steppe admixture? I'm sure some can look straight up European.

Even the lightest most iranics have something in their soft tissue proportions which makes them look what they actually are.

Btw steppe admixture doesn't equate to lighter or europoid features. Some SA have high steppe ancestry yet they still look SA.

[FinalFlash]

Even the lightest most iranics have something in their soft tissue proportions which makes them look what they actually are.

Btw steppe admixture doesn't equate to lighter or europoid features. Some SA have high steppe ancestry yet they still look SA.

SA don't don't look European because of excess SA and Australoid admixture. Iranians on the other hand score lots of Iran_N as well as some EEF and CHG type admix along with small SA admixture. You're comparing apples to oranges. A predominantly Iran_N individual with a large chunk of Steppe has a better chance of looking mainstream Euro than an individual that's largely SA with a chunk of Steppe.

[21993]

Irano-Nordoid

[Kyp]

Proto Nordid

[Oghuz]

SA don't don't look European because of excess SA and Australoid admixture. Iranians on the other hand score lots of Iran_N as well as some EEF and CHG type admix along with small SA admixture. You're comparing apples to oranges. A predominantly Iran_N individual with a large chunk of Steppe has a better chance of looking mainstream Euro than an individual that's largely SA with a chunk of Steppe.

Yes it makes sense but if you look up in North Western part of SA where ASI is very less and steppe might be very high still people do not look europoids. I am not talking about southern Iranic groups like Afghans.

[FinalFlash]

Yes it makes sense but if you look up in North Western part of SA where ASI is very less and steppe might be very high still people do not look europoids. I am not talking about southern Iranic groups like Afghans.

I know. I am talking about Iranians(Persians, Mazandaranis, etc) having a higher frequency of European passing phenotypes because a large chunk of their DNA consists of Steppe and minor EEF admixture coupled with Iran_N. any person with this genetic makeup has a far higher chance of turning out Euro looking compared to an individual that's largely SA-derived regardless of their other components.

[Babak]

Not sure why you guys are obsessed with genotype≠phenotype

The woggiest persian doesnt score much different autosomaly with this guy. Mazandaranis have the least steppe out of all Iranians and still can look more pseudo european compared to the rest of Iranians who have over 20% steppe.

[lameduck]

Even the lightest most iranics have something in their soft tissue proportions which makes them look what they actually are.

Btw steppe admixture doesn't equate to lighter or europoid features. Some SA have high steppe ancestry yet they still look SA.

jats from north Indian state of haryana , I am sure if you focus on features they have clear differences than to other neighbouring populations, since most people in the region work outside in sun , they have similar pigmentation and appear similar.

https://static-news.moneycontrol.com/static-mcnews/2019/10/Jats-770x433.jpg
https://www.thehindu.com/migration_catalog/article14289582.ece/ALTERNATES/FREE_960/th28-vikas-vasu_29_2792593a

[Oghuz]

Not sure why you guys are obsessed with genotype≠phenotype

The woggiest persian doesnt score much different autosomaly with this guy. Mazandaranis have the least steppe out of all Iranians and still can look more pseudo european compared to the rest of Iranians who have over 20% steppe.

Thats what I think as well because some here think that more steppe you have more europoid you look. Iranid phenotype has less to do with steppe admixturing I believe.

[Babak]

Thats what I think as well because some here think that more steppe you have more europoid you look. Iranid phenotype has less to do with steppe admixturing I believe.

Yea it doesn't mean anything. Sistanis can have up to 22% and many of them look like pakis.

[lameduck]

jats from sindh Pakistan, they will score like haryanvi jats most likely


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJKsnSh2kVA

[Oghuz]

Here are some pics from Mazandaranis. These are the least steppe carrying Iranians yet they look like regular fair Iranians. Steppe does nothing significant to appearance IMO

https://live.staticflickr.com/1072/1195644653_9fe26bd1c4_b.jpg

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-13ab4fea1807e49c118e581b78f5f01a

https://cmxpv89733.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/179296i78873A6C189672A5/image-size/large?v=1.0&px=999

https://davidsresa.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/img_1253.jpg?w=700&h=

https://live.staticflickr.com/2212/2363189459_edd31b1330_z.jpg

http://realiran.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/3-5.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zP0RXXKPEkw/maxresdefault.jpg

[Babak]

Some more gilakis:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a68ccf2ddaa447f251377782e9853404.webp

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-279f2a1ffe9edb13fdc8558232d2a148

[Oghuz]

Some more gilakis:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a68ccf2ddaa447f251377782e9853404.webp

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-279f2a1ffe9edb13fdc8558232d2a148

Very nice. I believe this Steppe = European "White" thing was started by the same group that claims Aryans were Europeans.

[lameduck]

Here are some pics from Mazandaranis. These are the least steppe carrying Iranians yet they look like regular fair Iranians. Steppe does nothing significant to appearance IMO

https://live.staticflickr.com/1072/1195644653_9fe26bd1c4_b.jpg

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-13ab4fea1807e49c118e581b78f5f01a

https://cmxpv89733.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/179296i78873A6C189672A5/image-size/large?v=1.0&px=999

https://davidsresa.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/img_1253.jpg?w=700&h=

https://live.staticflickr.com/2212/2363189459_edd31b1330_z.jpg

http://realiran.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/3-5.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zP0RXXKPEkw/maxresdefault.jpg

i think variance in ASI causes more noticeable difference e.g Pak Punjabis and Pak Pashtuns are neighbours but if you take group of hundred Pakistani Punjabis it will look quite noticeable different from Pashtun countrymen.

[Oghuz]

Here are the DARKEST most Iranics from southern Iranian Plateau. Apparently these people have very high steppe % yet they are dark. They do have Iranic phenos though (elongated skull. I think Steppe does give progressive traits to skull shape but not that significantly. Please ignore Rouhani and Ghalibaf in these pics.

http://jaberi.miandoab.net/jaberiphoto/zahedan/room17_02.jpg

https://media.voltron.voanews.com/Drupal/01live-166/styles/892x501/s3/2019-04/6965E4AD-4736-4B7E-B4E0-D0A7F1A02F44.jpg?itok=-BjbArmI

https://cdn.isna.ir/d/2019/05/13/4/57876921.jpg

http://iscanews.ir/Media/Image/1396/11/17/636535146801510348.jpg

http://en.zaums.ac.ir/uploads/IMG-20190531-WA0002_81245.jpg

https://www.thenational.ae/image/policy:1.259858:1499418401/image/jpeg.jpg?f=16x9&w=1200&$p$f$w=dfa40e8

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/ghalibaf-between-the-people-of-zahedan-in-the-airport-picture-id955331628

http://www.payvand.com/news/09/may/Funeral-Zahedan-terror-bombing-victims4.jpg

https://imageen.mojahedin.org/Attachments/?id=24f084be-68bb-4df7-8fd5-280f8b32aa53&width=690


https://live.staticflickr.com/4355/36472410636_1e96eb0520_b.jpg

https://theiranproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Rajabali-Sheikhzadeh.jpg

[Negah]

^^^ Caucasus region is home to lighter pigmented peoples than Central Asia or South Central Asians

[Token]

jats from north Indian state of haryana , I am sure if you focus on features they have clear differences than to other neighbouring populations, since most people in the region work outside in sun , they have similar pigmentation and appear similar.

https://static-news.moneycontrol.com/static-mcnews/2019/10/Jats-770x433.jpg
More robust, rugged facial features.

[Negah]

His surname points to some connection similiar origin as Saffavids.



You surely cannot be serious. How are you even making this statement? This is based on what?

[lameduck]

More robust, rugged facial features.

arains from Pakistan a similar agricultural tribe but with more iran neo and less steppe


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2TxzeDmTuQ

[Oghuz]

You surely cannot be serious. How are you even making this statement? This is based on what?

When I made this thread, I was reading lots on Saffvid family lineages and descendants. I found this surname among some female in later generations. I will look again.

[Thambi]

some iranians from sistan region in southeast iran. I'm not sure if they are balochi folks or persians but a lot of them could fit in the subcontinent imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9JYJ6D9bWY

[Negah]

When I made this thread, I was reading lots on Saffvid family lineages and descendants. I found this surname among some female in later generations. I will look again.

Not a big deal. I was just curious how you had arrived at that conclusion.

I did reverse search to see what his name is. His name is Hossein Saboonchi. Based on his last name might he not be ethnic Azerbaijani like yourself?

See the link below.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Forigina ls%2F92%2F0b%2Fd1%2F920bd10c1ebc680717573a2f91b14e d1.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F 173810866851837205%2F&docid=qdQMfxL5f77J7M&tbnid=9-Zk8ZZUmxKfUM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwj-isq218zlAhWinuAKHcTbDxkQMwhNKAswCw..i&w=540&h=540&bih=639&biw=1282&q=saboonchi&ved=0ahUKEwj-isq218zlAhWinuAKHcTbDxkQMwhNKAswCw&iact=mrc&uact=8

[Oghuz]

^^^ Caucasus region is home to lighter pigmented peoples than Central Asia or South Central Asians

Yes and more Iranic looking people then southerners.

[Oghuz]

Not a big deal. I was just curious how you had arrived at that conclusion.

I did reverse search to see what his name is. His name is Hossein Saboonchi. Based on his last name might he not be ethnic Azerbaijani like yourself?

See the link below.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Forigina ls%2F92%2F0b%2Fd1%2F920bd10c1ebc680717573a2f91b14e d1.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F 173810866851837205%2F&docid=qdQMfxL5f77J7M&tbnid=9-Zk8ZZUmxKfUM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwj-isq218zlAhWinuAKHcTbDxkQMwhNKAswCw..i&w=540&h=540&bih=639&biw=1282&q=saboonchi&ved=0ahUKEwj-isq218zlAhWinuAKHcTbDxkQMwhNKAswCw&iact=mrc&uact=8

From my own research, this name is present among Persians, Mazandaranis, Azeris. Most people I found with this surname were from Shiraz.

[Oghuz]

Here are the DARKEST most Iranics from southern Iranian Plateau. Apparently these people have very high steppe % yet they are dark. They do have Iranic phenos though (elongated skull. I think Steppe does give progressive traits to skull shape but not that significantly. Please ignore Rouhani and Ghalibaf in these pics.

http://jaberi.miandoab.net/jaberiphoto/zahedan/room17_02.jpg

https://media.voltron.voanews.com/Drupal/01live-166/styles/892x501/s3/2019-04/6965E4AD-4736-4B7E-B4E0-D0A7F1A02F44.jpg?itok=-BjbArmI

https://cdn.isna.ir/d/2019/05/13/4/57876921.jpg

http://iscanews.ir/Media/Image/1396/11/17/636535146801510348.jpg

http://en.zaums.ac.ir/uploads/IMG-20190531-WA0002_81245.jpg

https://www.thenational.ae/image/policy:1.259858:1499418401/image/jpeg.jpg?f=16x9&w=1200&$p$f$w=dfa40e8

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/ghalibaf-between-the-people-of-zahedan-in-the-airport-picture-id955331628

http://www.payvand.com/news/09/may/Funeral-Zahedan-terror-bombing-victims4.jpg

https://imageen.mojahedin.org/Attachments/?id=24f084be-68bb-4df7-8fd5-280f8b32aa53&width=690


https://live.staticflickr.com/4355/36472410636_1e96eb0520_b.jpg

https://theiranproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Rajabali-Sheikhzadeh.jpg

Compare this to Less steppe Carrying and more populated Iranics who are lighter and more progressive skulled.

https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/OkwSYVdBSDIHdSDjQ478.Q--~B/aD02ODA7dz0xMDI0O3NtPTE7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/afp.com/Part-PAR-SAPA981202030500-1-0-1.jpg

https://ak5.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/5388035/thumb/8.jpg

https://th.thgim.com/news/international/73v986/article26235793.ece/alternates/FREE_660/IRANREVOLUTIONANNIVERSARYTIMELINE

https://thearabweekly.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_image_800x450_/public/2018-07/A1101.jpg

https://gdb.rferl.org/F0D04EF4-8BD5-43E0-AC58-B0CAE44D5916_w1023_r1_s.jpg

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b175ee76dcad2cd3b945504e34efe3c0

https://ak3.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/5387693/thumb/1.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Farewell_to_Body_of_Martyr_Mohsen_Hojaji_in_Mashha d_04_%282%29.jpg

https://gdb.rferl.org/508179B3-5381-4E39-9040-252EAC54A2F5_w408_r1_s.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/D979/production/_100237655_gettyimages-695311082.jpg

https://chrislettner.com/wp-content/uploads/iran-6700.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/946360222309928960/pu/img/m7EdoLu3RQRz9TVT.jpg

[Negah]

some iranians from sistan region in southeast iran. I'm not sure if they are balochi folks or persians but a lot of them could fit in the subcontinent imo

TBH I still think as a group they don't

Here is a video from the same channel on youtube when I watched the video you posted of Pakistanis clearly different even from Balochis. There are simi9lsrities but group-wise TBH clearly different.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keHncCJw_6w

[lameduck]

TBH I still think as a group they don't

Here is a video from the same channel on youtube when I watched the video you posted of Pakistanis clearly different even from Balochis. There are simi9lsrities but group-wise TBH clearly different.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keHncCJw_6w

baloch have certain similarities with sindhis , even british officers who stayed in the region wrote this in their documents , but average baloch is lighter but darker than average pashtun.

[Negah]

baloch have certain similarities with sindhis , even british officers who stayed in the region wrote this in their documents , but average baloch is lighter but darker than average pashtun.

I fully agree with similarities but to think many Balochis can pass as Sindhis or Sindhis as Balochis, I am not sure that is an accurate statement.

[lameduck]

I fully agree with similarities but to think many Balochis can pass as Sindhis or Sindhis as Balochis, I am not sure that is an accurate statement.

yeah this sindh tv focuses on sindh you can write sindhi city with package in youtube and see some diversity , also sindhis have very dark people that are virtually absent in baloch

shikarpur


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKO_L7Mmp1g

jacobabad


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVrafy16pTc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt9gK8bATPo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6GOxIqmdgg

[Oghuz]

Guys, can we focus on the topic here instead of drifting to other subjects ?

[Negah]

Not sure why you guys are obsessed with genotype≠phenotype

The woggiest persian doesnt score much different autosomaly with this guy. Mazandaranis have the least steppe out of all Iranians and still can look more pseudo european compared to the rest of Iranians who have over 20% steppe.

steppe genes may be darker than the genes from the Caucasus region. Look at the Georgians they are by far the lightest people in the region. IMO I reckon most can easily pass to a degree in Europe because of their pigmentation. Also, both North Azeris and Armenians are lighter than Iranians and we tend to have higher Steppe input.

This type of Iranian occurs here and there. However, he is a rarity.

[Oghuz]

steppe genes may be darker than the genes from Caucasus region. Look at the Georgians they are by far the lighter people in the region. IMO I reckon most can easily pass to a degree in Europe because of their pigmentation. Also, both North Azeris and Armenians are lighter than Iranians who tend to have higher Steppe input.

This type of Iranian occurs here and there. However, he is a rarity.

Dadash ahle kuja hasti dar iran ?

[Negah]

He is not german looking cmon.

He cant pass among german members of this german soccer team



I reckon if a person's pigmentation and to a good extent the features are within a range of a particular group then that person can pass. This individual can probably pass as ATYPICAL or as TYPICAl. IMO he can pass in Germany. Is he Typical or Atypical, I really don't know I am NOT German?

Just like South Asians that have pigmentation and features that are within the range of West Asians can pass among us either as typical or atypical. Passing can be very subjective as you know. West Asians who have pigmentation and features that are within the range of Europeans then can pass there.

[Negah]

Dadash ahle kuja hasti dar iran ?

Isfahan. Chetor

[Babak]

steppe genes may be darker than the genes from the Caucasus region. Look at the Georgians they are by far the lightest people in the region. IMO I reckon most can easily pass to a degree in Europe because of their pigmentation. Also, both North Azeris and Armenians are lighter than Iranians and we tend to have higher Steppe input.

This type of Iranian occurs here and there. However, he is a rarity.

Steppe admixture has no correlation. Zoroastrians score up to 24-25% bro.

[Kamal900]

Steppe admixture has no correlation. Zoroastrians score up to 24-25% bro.

True. I mean, I know the Parsi people of Gujarat have Indian admixture and all, but a lot of them still can look very Iranian/West Asians. I mean, look at Freddie Mercury for example:
https://images.theconversation.com/files/243696/original/file-20181102-83644-1bs9rnz.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=496&fit=clip

He looks very west asian despite him that he and his family are originally from Gujarat, India.

[CommonSense]

Not blonde, but regardless very light compared to the average Persian.

Irano-Nordid.

[Bakha]

If I saw him in the street I would never consider him a fellow western asian.

[Adamastor]

Nordic, looks Polish/Russian.

[Oghuz]

Not blonde, but regardless very light compared to the average Persian.

Irano-Nordid.

Yeah I made this mistake of calling him blonde. He is a strawberry blonde I think or dark blonde at best.

Agree with Irano Nordid

[Kyp]

Shah Ismail was mainly Iranian Turk. What's his surname?

Also I think Proto-Nordid fits him better than Irano-Nordoid

http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html

[Oghuz]

Shah Ismail was mainly Iranian Turk. What's his surname?

Also I think Proto-Nordid fits him better than Irano-Nordoid

http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html

Lol some Kurd will show up and confront us both on calling Shah Ismail Turk. Kurds bring out the kurdish male blood line of Saffavids.

[Kyp]

Lol some Kurd will show up and confront us both on calling Shah Ismail Turk. Kurds bring out the kurdish male blood line of Saffavids.

I don't care about kurdish propaganda. They also claim they're the sole descendants of the Medes. His mother was Qoyunlu. That's hardcore Turkoman. Father was half Qoyunlu aswell.

[Oghuz]

I don't care about kurdish propaganda. They also claim they're the sole descendants of the Medes. His mother was Qoyunlu. That's hardcore Turkoman. Father was half Qoyunlu aswell.

They bring out the Feroz Shah Zarrin Kolah and Safi Ad din Ardabili Kurdish Lineage.

To me, it doesnt even matter, Azeri or Kurdish both are Iranic lineages and These people served Iran.

[Kyp]

They bring out the Feroz Shah Zarrin Kolah and Safi Ad din Ardabili Kurdish Lineage.

To me, it doesnt even matter, Azeri or Kurdish both are Iranic lineages and These people served Iran.

Yes at the end of they day it only matters on an Anthroforum. Qoyunlu aren't iranian lineages though..

[Oghuz]

Yes at the end of they day it only matters on an Anthroforum. Qoyunlu aren't iranian lineages though..

Really ? what are they then ? I always assumed they were Iranic genetically to some strong extent.

[Kyp]

Really ? what are they then ? I always assumed they were Iranic genetically to some strong extent.

Their Oghuz input would most likely be higher than modern Iranian or Anatolian Turks. My guess would be like modern day southern Turkmens on average, since they weren't homogenous imo.

[Oghuz]

Their Oghuz input would most likely be higher than modern Iranian or Anatolian Turks. My guess would be like modern day southern Turkmens on average, since they weren't homogenous imo.

I was basing my observation on Uzun Hassan portraits with Irano Turanid phenotype :cool:

You are right.

[kevinmac]

Irano Nordoid. Passes in Germany and quite typical too.

Does not look Balkan at all.

[Immanenz]

if you mash Alexander Skarsgard and Hurtuv

[Pietro97]

if you mash Alexander Skarsgard and Hurtuv

this

[Uranous]

Scythians survivor

[Gamaliel]

He looks like that politician frequently compared to Gyllenhaal except bleached: Irano-Nordid with Pontid (more softened than Robust Iranid)
Looks European

[aherne]

Irano-Corded, nothing that unusual...

[Tooting Carmen]

Irano-Corded, nothing that unusual...

What percentage of Iranians are blond? <1%?

[Persian Otomi]

What percentage of Iranians are blond? <1%?

<1% but it is more common among children, the hairs become darker as they start to get older

[Melonman]

looks bosnian

[Joachim]

Ancestyy: Persian and Kurdish mixture.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8a/38/e5/8a38e57c7428f95223ef2688c5affb00.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/92/0b/d1/920bd10c1ebc680717573a2f91b14ed1.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c8/c4/17/c8c41785c4d7cc084d534db8c8301c35.jpg

His surname points to some connection similiar origin as Saffavids. They were also red haired or blondes.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6ce1b503deeee90fdea3d987e8580a09


https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/his/image/1678/49/1678494536845.jpg
https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/his/image/1674/85/1674854538872.jpg

[Flamingo]

Looks Northern European (Nordic) to me. Would never have guessed he´s half Kurdish half Iranian.

[Occiput in Starlight]

I perceive the Iranic informing his aesthetic.

But I have a very good eye.