Am I part Celtic?

[CerseiLannister]

long story short, I'm part East-Asian and part European.
My grandpa died when my parent was very young so we never knew his ancestral background. I've never met him since he died so long ago. We just thought he's French. but it seems like he lived in Rennes which is Brittany.

But we took a few DNA tests and this is what we got for the European side

23andMe


Paternal Haplogroup R-L2 (is this the same as R1b-L21)?

French German 19.8%, British Irish 6.9%, Broadly NW European 8.8
Italian 5.3, Spanish Portuguese 5.2, Broadly S.European 5.2, Broadly European 2.0

GEDMatch. Eurogenes K13
North_Atlantic 24.42 Pct
Baltic 11.06 Pct
West_Med 5.18 Pct
East_Med 4.77 Pct
Red_Sea 3.32 Pct

Oracle 4
Using 2 population admixture:
50% Southeast_English +50% xxx @ 4.859379
3 population admixture:
50% XX +25% West_German +25% West_Scottish @ 4.734057
4 population admixture:
French + North_Dutch +xx + xx @ 4.415691

Eurogenes EUTest V2 K15
2 population
50% Southwest_English +50% XX @ 5.306011
3 pop
50% XX +25% West_German +25% West_Scottish @ 5.065431
4
French + North_Dutch + XX + XX @ 4.749558

MyHeritage
50% English-Irish

MDLP 22 (I found most of their calculators way off for both European and Asian sides)
2 pop - 50% Austrian derived
3 pop - 50% Austrian derived, 25% XX, 25% xx
4 pop - Basque derived, Latvian derived, xx, and xx

Dodecad V3
50% xx, 50% N.European Xing
50% xx, 25% Portuguese, 25% Swedish

[dududud]

Part indo-european, yeah. Celtic, if you want. But yeah.

[Ibericus]

He has the profile of a NW Euro person, so yes could also be a french from Bretagne.

[Petalpusher]

So you have another European parent or it's your parent's results? It seems the results are half Euro but you were talking about a grandparent.

Either way, the best fit from K15 would place your European half about there :

https://i.postimg.cc/NGZ4ptVy/k15e1.jpg

One Normand who used to post here, was close to this point, but Brittany is possible as it's just the neighbour region (usually people from there cluster a bit more west or south than that)

[CerseiLannister]

So you have another European parent or it's your parent's results? It seems the results are half Euro but you were talking about a grandparent.

Either way, the best fit from K15 would place your European half about there :

https://i.postimg.cc/NGZ4ptVy/k15e1.jpg

One Normand who used to post here, was close to this point, but Brittany is possible as it's just the neighbour region (usually people from there cluster a bit more west or south than that)

thanks! looking at that map.. isn't that a bit more north than Normandy? looks like Netherlands or Belgium.
Some of the Eurogenes test did put north dutch as an option as well

[Mans not hot]

Do you have ginger pubes?

[Ayetooey]

Ye boi you keltic

[Bellbeaking]

thanks! looking at that map.. isn't that a bit more north than Normandy? looks like Netherlands or Belgium.
Some of the Eurogenes test did put north dutch as an option as well


This thread in general isn't clear.

Are you half asian? Is this your results or your mothers?
No getting north dutch as a frenchman as a best match is not normal or even possible.

From what it looks like on those results, just central-north west european, typical northern frenchman or waloon, so 'celtic' is a reasonable fit.

[Mans not hot]

Ye boi you keltic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdxCfAb-ROM

[Petalpusher]

thanks! looking at that map.. isn't that a bit more north than Normandy? looks like Netherlands or Belgium.
Some of the Eurogenes test did put north dutch as an option as well

You mean N.Dutch as one population in the approximations? such as "N.Dutch + French" or "West German + Scottish", that put those fits around that point. Normands can get very northern autosomals, sometimes even more than that, usually people from Brittany less so, but again some people might live in one region or the other without knowing exactly from which their ancestors were from (and Rennes is only a few km away from Normandie)

[Bosniensis]

I don't think so.

[CerseiLannister]

So you have another European parent or it's your parent's results? It seems the results are half Euro but you were talking about a grandparent.

Either way, the best fit from K15 would place your European half about there :

https://i.postimg.cc/NGZ4ptVy/k15e1.jpg

One Normand who used to post here, was close to this point, but Brittany is possible as it's just the neighbour region (usually people from there cluster a bit more west or south than that)

yes I'm half!
by the way your map ended up being quite accurate.
23andMe recently updated their site and I got Grand-Est, which I guess is that area.
I guess rather than Celtic, am i Germanic? Isnt that area Moselles and Alsace?

[Leto]

Post your HarappaWorld components (all of them) please.

[Voyt]

"Celtism" is a cultural designation; Celts from British Isles were different genetically than Celts from Bavaria, for instance. Celtic language likely arose as a sort lingua franca during the times Italic peoples, Balkan peoples, went to northern lands to trade. You can therefore think of the Hallstatt culture as some sort of first instance of a pseudo nation state, a type of Disunited European Union. It of course broke apart as the "barbarians" rampaged from the north and east (just as the European Union is breaking apart as the barbarians infiltrate from the south and east)

Genetically, there are only a few designations that make practical sense:
WHG (western hunter gatherer) (native post-ice-age blue-eyed western Europeans)
EHG (eastern hunter gatherer) (native post-ice-age blonde eastern Europeans)
EEF (early european farmer) (mass-scale civilizational mediterranean peoples, mainly from Anatolia and southern Europe)
CHG (caucasus hunter gatherer) (hunter gatherers from the Caucasus that contributed to the Yamnaya peoples)

[CerseiLannister]

"Celtism" is a cultural designation; Celts from British Isles were different genetically than Celts from Bavaria, for instance. Celtic language likely arose as a sort lingua franca during the times Italic peoples, Balkan peoples, went to northern lands to trade. You can therefore think of the Hallstatt culture as some sort of first instance of a pseudo nation state, a type of Disunited European Union. It of course broke apart as the "barbarians" rampaged from the north and east (just as the European Union is breaking apart as the barbarians infiltrate from the south and east)

Genetically, there are only a few designations that make practical sense:
WHG (western hunter gatherer) (native post-ice-age blue-eyed western Europeans)
EHG (eastern hunter gatherer) (native post-ice-age blonde eastern Europeans)
EEF (early european farmer) (mass-scale civilizational mediterranean peoples, mainly from Anatolia and southern Europe)
CHG (caucasus hunter gatherer) (hunter gatherers from the Caucasus that contributed to the Yamnaya peoples)

thanks for this explanation.

My haplogroup is R-L2, which I think is considered Alpine Celtic?
but it seems people all over western Europe have this marker, not just the UK