Where ... the blond begins?

[Roy]

I have seen different opinions on this subject. Where the blond begins? I thought it would be an interesting idea to discuss as even when it comes to something as fundamental there's no consensus for.


This guy and this girl are already blond as far as the Polish concept goes.

https://estyl.pl/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/ciemny-blond.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/81/27/16/z23231873V,Mateusz-Janikowski.jpg

[Crimean]

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[Roy]

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I know right. :D But either way ... it is almost exclusively Southern European & MENA people who call some people blond when it comes those who are already decisively flat-out (light) brown haired to me. But then I can somehow understand it when most of their native population has dark hair, and very often simply black.

[Bellbeaking]

they are both blond for sure:


I think Jamie Vardy and jack butland are borderline blond from an anthro perspective, though i would not class them as such, most people would just consider their hair brown colloquially.

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/Leicester-City-Leicester-Jamie-Vardy-Nigel-Pearson-Foxes-LCFC-581965.jpg

http://img.scooper.news/v2-EagleNews/Eagle-NewsImage/DetailImage/RealNews/20180602/58ea47fc704cedd1a472a97517f4d297.jpg

[Crimean]

I know right. :D But either way ... it is almost exclusively Southern European & MENA people who call some people blond when it comes those who are already decisively flat-out (light) brown haired to me. But then I can somehow understand it when most of their native population has dark hair, and very often simply black.
I myself have come across this. I am rather "dark" by Russian standards, but by the standards of the South Caucasus I am moderately light (brown hair, light brown eyes). It's all about the point of reference.

[Bellbeaking]

Finnish Swede left the forum. Only she knows the answer to this question.

she just posted lol

[Roy]

they are both blond for sure:


I think Jamie Vardy and jack butland are borderline blond from an anthro perspective, though i would not class them as such, most people would just consider their hair brown colloquially.

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/Leicester-City-Leicester-Jamie-Vardy-Nigel-Pearson-Foxes-LCFC-581965.jpg

http://img.scooper.news/v2-EagleNews/Eagle-NewsImage/DetailImage/RealNews/20180602/58ea47fc704cedd1a472a97517f4d297.jpg

Both are dark blond imho.

[The Blade]

I don't know what you people are talking about. Vardy has brown hair.
There are no various perspectives of what's blond, just people (mainly non-Europeans) who mistakenly call light brown hair blond.
The following celebrities have naturally blond hair:
Brad Pitt is a golden blond.
https://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Screen-Shot-2018-01-19-at-11.44.51-AM.png
Robert Redford in his much younger days - blond.
https://www.bfi.org.uk/sites/bfi.org.uk/files/styles/full/public/image/way-we-were-the-1973-001-barbara-streisand-robert-redford-00n-792.jpg?itok=ObsGfj2a
Naomi Watts - golden blonde.
https://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/articles/Main%20Watts.jpg
Maria Sharapova fits the bill.
https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Felizabethdoerr%2Ffiles%2F2016% 2F03%2FLady-TAG-Heuer-Sunglasses-Designed-by-Maria-Sharapova2-1200x800.jpg
Oscar Wendt - quite light blond.
http://mediadb.kicker.de/2014/fussball/spieler/xl/37166_15_2013711115151407.jpg
Alyssa Sutherland is strawberry blonde.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f2/27/9d/f2279dce9d48b492344e1f2764dce264.jpg
Non-blond and obviously brown-haired David De Gea mistakenly called as blond by some people here:
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2019/02/01/06/david-de-gea-pl-h.jpg

[Pansarkamrat]

That is a god question. I have darkblonde hair but in my country it is called lightbrown or just brown hair. But in Southern-Europe they think that i have blonde hair. I can understand the both perspectives. In Sweden blonde hair is hair with yellow in it and in Southern-Europe blonde hair is light hair. I dont realy know where i would draw the line but the first thing that comes upp when i Think about blonde hair is hair that is yellow.

[Bellbeaking]

https://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/58/281x351/200300_1.jpg de gea was when younger though, not anymore for sure.

[The Blade]

https://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/58/281x351/200300_1.jpg de gea was when younger though, not anymore for sure.
That's still light brown.
Paul Bettany is blond.
https://www.myagecalculator.com/images/paul-bettany.jpg

[Roy]

That is a god question. I have darkblonde hair but in my country it is called lightbrown or just brown hair. But in Southern-Europe they think that i have blonde hair. I can understand the both perspectives. In Sweden blonde hair is hair with yellow in it and in Southern-Europe blonde hair is light hair. I dont realy know where i would draw the line but the first thing that comes upp when i Think about blonde hair is hair that is yellow.

This Polish volleyball player has what is consider light brown hair in Poland, it is the most popular hair colour in Poland.

http://volleyflash.pl/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/polska-kubiak.jpg

This is already brown for us, but I think he falls inside light hair category (including light brown too).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Grzegorz_W%C3%B3jtowicz.jpg/800px-Grzegorz_W%C3%B3jtowicz.jpg

All these 3 guys have average pigmentation for my ethnicity.

https://cdn.nowiny.pl/im/v1/news-900-widen-wm/2018/05/08/139049_1525776079_28522600.jpg

While this guy is already called ''blondyn'' in Poland.

https://dyskografie.com/uploads/artysci/fotos/rafal-brzozowski.jpg

These four Poles would be considered blond everywhere.

https://i.iplsc.com/tomasz-ciachorowski/0006E5NEUHSKISJC-C122-F4.jpg

https://ocdn.eu/pulscms-transforms/1/RePk9kpTURBXy81ZjhiNmQ2MDc4ZjgyNmQ5NGNhNTQyN2E4ZGY yMjE0NC5qcGeSlQMAzQE_zQUuzQLpkwXNAxTNAbyBoTAB

https://r-scale-c0.dcs.redcdn.pl/scale/o2/tvn/web-content/m/p1/i/3/b/3bec72d8c6c8f6fbee9c251f8605a090.jpg?type=1&srcmode=4&srcx=0/1&srcy=0/1&srcw=640&srch=2000&dstw=640&dsth=2000&quality=80

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/2017-10-03_FIS_SGP_2017_Klingenthal_Siegerehrung_Dawid_Kub acki_Hymne.jpg

[Pansarkamrat]

This Polish volleyball player has what is consider light brown hair in Poland, it is the most popular hair colour in Poland.

http://volleyflash.pl/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/polska-kubiak.jpg

This is already brown for us, but I think he falls inside light hair category (including light brown too).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Grzegorz_W%C3%B3jtowicz.jpg/800px-Grzegorz_W%C3%B3jtowicz.jpg

All these 3 guys have average pigmentation for my ethnicity.

https://cdn.nowiny.pl/im/v1/news-900-widen-wm/2018/05/08/139049_1525776079_28522600.jpg

While this guy is already called ''blondyn'' in Poland.

https://dyskografie.com/uploads/artysci/fotos/rafal-brzozowski.jpg

These four Poles would be considered blond everywhere.

https://i.iplsc.com/tomasz-ciachorowski/0006E5NEUHSKISJC-C122-F4.jpg

https://ocdn.eu/pulscms-transforms/1/RePk9kpTURBXy81ZjhiNmQ2MDc4ZjgyNmQ5NGNhNTQyN2E4ZGY yMjE0NC5qcGeSlQMAzQE_zQUuzQLpkwXNAxTNAbyBoTAB

https://r-scale-c0.dcs.redcdn.pl/scale/o2/tvn/web-content/m/p1/i/3/b/3bec72d8c6c8f6fbee9c251f8605a090.jpg?type=1&srcmode=4&srcx=0/1&srcy=0/1&srcw=640&srch=2000&dstw=640&dsth=2000&quality=80

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/2017-10-03_FIS_SGP_2017_Klingenthal_Siegerehrung_Dawid_Kub acki_Hymne.jpg

I would say that i have the same hair colour as the one who is considerd a ''blondyn'' but it gets medium or goldenblonde if i spend time outside during summer.

[Roy]

I would say that i have the same hair colour as the one who is considerd a ''blondyn'' but it gets medium or goldenblonde if i spend time outside during summer.

Yes, spending time in the sun can alter your hair colour, especially if combined with bathing in salty water (in the sea). I remember getting some blondish reflections / streaks in my hair as a teenager still in the summer and it lasting for a while. You don't need any tint or hair dye for that as long as your hair relatively light.

[Ikiru]

I have seen different opinions on this subject. Where the blond begins? I thought it would be an interesting idea to discuss as even when it comes to something as fundamental there's no consensus for.


This guy and this girl are already blond as far as the Polish concept goes.

https://estyl.pl/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/ciemny-blond.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/81/27/16/z23231873V,Mateusz-Janikowski.jpg

Both of them are light brown-haired, not blonde.

[Roy]

Both of them are light brown-haired, not blonde.

Not really but I guess this kind of argument is what thread was supposed to bring out. :rolleyes: He (Mateusz Janikowski) is already obviously blond imo even if it may seem dirty blond. At least in Poland he passes as such. On the left you have light-brown haired man (Andrzej Wrona).

https://siatka.org/content/uploads/2018/10/25-Andrzej-Wrona-Mateusz-Janikowski-.jpg

https://volleybox.net/media/upload/players/1501603518toLQ2.jpg

This is what is called dirty blond hair / fawn.

https://content.latest-hairstyles.com/wp-content/uploads/subtle-dirty-blonde-for-long-hair-500x625.jpg

[Übermensch]

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/58441401_2291997827788182_6863476348824846336_n.jp g?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=53a490f4e376665a2e6b60691a6ec8ec&oe=5D378E55
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/57611818_314060305944988_2213524164654923776_n.png ?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=914e737048a3741079289d75b929bf5c&oe=5D74549E

What is this hair colour according to you?
Light brown? Light auburn?

[Pansarkamrat]

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/58441401_2291997827788182_6863476348824846336_n.jp g?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=53a490f4e376665a2e6b60691a6ec8ec&oe=5D378E55
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/57611818_314060305944988_2213524164654923776_n.png ?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=914e737048a3741079289d75b929bf5c&oe=5D74549E

What is this hair colour according to you?
Light brown? Light auburn?

Light auburn.

[Ikiru]

Not really but I guess this kind of argument is what thread was supposed to bring out. :rolleyes: He (Mateusz Janikowski) is already obviously blond imo even if it may seem dirty blond. At least in Poland he passes as such. On the left you have light-brown haired man (Andrzej Wrona).

https://siatka.org/content/uploads/2018/10/25-Andrzej-Wrona-Mateusz-Janikowski-.jpg

https://volleybox.net/media/upload/players/1501603518toLQ2.jpg

This is what is called dirty blond hair / fawn.

https://content.latest-hairstyles.com/wp-content/uploads/subtle-dirty-blonde-for-long-hair-500x625.jpg

If the hair is brown-colored as in your first two pictures then it's called brown hair, as simple as that. At least to me. Here is where (dark) blonde hair starts at:

https://hips.hearstapps.com/ghk.h-cdn.co/assets/17/35/gettyimages-689309608.jpg

[Oneeye]

Does "blonde" differ by ethnicity? Majority of these people aren't blondes to me.

[Übermensch]

Light auburn.

Do you think is lighter or darker than yours?

[Blondie]

Light auburn.

The first pic is dark blonde, the second is light brown.

[Supercomputer]

It depends on person to person who you ask as well as the context. The question does not have a clear answer. It is like asking where does "tall" begin?

[Saskatchewanderer]

It's not exact science, unfortunately. I have been told I'm blond by some people and brunette by others. Depends on the eyes of the onlooker lol.

[Sp_loa]

Israel has rather a strict definition of blonde (surprisingly). I think it's mainly because of the relatively high concentration of Ethnic Russians (from 0% Jewish to part Jewish) that in many cases are very light blonde. Of Course some Ashkenazim (Sephardim to some extent but much less) are also very light blonde (it's not that rare to find German Jewish families that just look ethnic German TBH)

https://www.lorealparisusa.com/~/media/images/lop/home/beauty-library/articles%202/how-to-get-honey-blonde-hair/loreal-paris-bmag-article-how-to-get-a-honey-blonde-hair-color-d.jpg?thn=0


Any person with hair color (even 1 shade) darker than this would have really hard time calling themselves blonde here. Even his color is borderline with "chestnut" (chestnut hair here is used to describe dark blonde and brown-blonde mixed, Unlike in other countries).

[Roy]

Does "blonde" differ by ethnicity? Majority of these people aren't blondes to me.

It can be. Either way if there's light brown hair being distinguished then there must be dark blond too.

[Mans not hot]

Both of them are light brown-haired, not blonde.
By French standards? Interesting. It seems a Pole and a French have different view, interesting.

[Adam Janossy]

In Croatia where blond hair is in minority we still consider blond only hair that is yellowish. If it doesn't have yellow shade, it is (light) brown.
Stears is not considered blond in Croatia, for example. He is ash brown.

http://i.imgur.com/TmGiAZB.png

I am considered blonde, but only during and after summer. My hair is lot darker (light brown) during winter. In summer it's golden blond. I sunbath a lot.
https://i.imgur.com/Mc7yXFb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HNFTZNY.jpg

[Pansarkamrat]

Do you think is lighter or darker than yours?

Darker

[Pansarkamrat]

In Croatia where blond hair is in minority we still consider blond only hair that is yellowish. If it doesn't have yellow shade, it is (light) brown.
Stears is not considered blond in Croatia, for example. He is ash brown.

http://i.imgur.com/TmGiAZB.png

I am considered blonde, but only during and after summer. My hair is lot darker (light brown) during winter. In summer it's golden blond. I sunbath a lot.
https://i.imgur.com/Mc7yXFb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HNFTZNY.jpg


I think i have the same hair colour as you.

[Pansarkamrat]

The first pic is dark blonde, the second is light brown.

Thats true when i think about. You are right.

[justTosee]

Where ... the blond begins?


With people being obsessed about it.

[Roy]

In Croatia where blond hair is in minority we still consider blond only hair that is yellowish. If it doesn't have yellow shade, it is (light) brown.
Stears is not considered blond in Croatia, for example. He is ash brown.

http://i.imgur.com/TmGiAZB.png

I am considered blonde, but only during and after summer. My hair is lot darker (light brown) during winter. In summer it's golden blond. I sunbath a lot.
https://i.imgur.com/Mc7yXFb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HNFTZNY.jpg


Stears' hair colour is not what springs to my mind either when I think ''blond'' either. At least I doubt that people would flat-out call him ''blondyn'' in Poland. Yeah, his hair is light, but ash brown.

[The Blade]

It depends on person to person who you ask as well as the context. The question does not have a clear answer. It is like asking where does "tall" begin?
No, there are no various definitions of blondism. Just some surveys combining blond and light brown hair as light (without equaling them, of course) + people who have wrong perceptions of blondism.
If there's no yellowish colour, then it's not blond no matter how light one's hair colour is.
Even wikipedia mentions it:
''Blond or fair hair is a hair color characterized by low levels of the dark pigment eumelanin. The resultant visible hue depends on various factors, but always has some yellowish color. The color can be from the very pale blond (caused by a patchy, scarce distribution of pigment) to reddish "strawberry" blond or golden-brownish ("sandy") blond colors (the latter with more eumelanin)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blond
These people are Northern Europeans (5 Swedes and 1 Dane) and yet in their case only one has blond hair naturally and all the others have various shades of brown:
https://glavclub.com/images/artists/photos/909.jpg

https://youtu.be/UDVycjDLx4Y
This is sandy blonde, btw:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d8/9b/00/d89b00d7b0af9934367343ed796d6121.jpg

[Septentrion]

I have seen different opinions on this subject. Where the blond begins? I thought it would be an interesting idea to discuss as even when it comes to something as fundamental there's no consensus for.


This guy and this girl are already blond as far as the Polish concept goes.

https://estyl.pl/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/ciemny-blond.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/81/27/16/z23231873V,Mateusz-Janikowski.jpg

The very definition for blonde hair is a very wide one. It covers various shades from brownish-blond to golden-blond to ashen-blond to reddish-blond to whitish-blond/snow-blond. Usually people have the perception that blond hair has to be very light. Even light brown hair have some "yellowish" tinge in it. So as a whole, blondism begins somewhere in some light brown hair shades to the lightest blond which are close to white.
However my personal perception for blondness is very strict, due to the fact that I live in a country where light brown and dark blond hair is common. So my judgement is wrong, but that is what I am used to call blond.
Example: Ingesson (Sweden)
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZmQzZWQ5MGItMDY3NC00MWEyLWJiNDktNDExNDU3NzU2YT FiXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMjUyNDk2ODc@._V1_SY1000_CR0,0,71 1,1000_AL_.jpg

Hughes (England)
https://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/58/photos/314000/620x/36314.jpg

Kahn (Germany)
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/kahn.jpg

Schmeichel (Denmark)
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/manchester-united-goalkeeper-peter-schmeichel-at-the-pre-199192-at-picture-id453058956

Coorevits (Belgium hot blonde!)
http://beauty-around.com/images/sampledata/Belgian_Women/14annelien-coorevits.jpg

[Chevalier]

Actually it doesn't really matter.
However, I find it pretty annoying that some people can't tell the difference between light brown and blond hair. Also between dark brown and black hair.

My father, for example, had light brown hair when he was young (he was blond as a child but got darker with age) - yet some people still call his hair blond.
Then there are people who call my dark brown hair "black". I guess these people have never seen any East Asians in their entire lives...

Heck, my hair color is probably closer to red than to pitch black.

(Cultural differences also play a role. Someone who has only seen black-haired people will probably call a light brown haired person "blonde". On the other side, Scandinavians will probably say that my hair really is "black".)

[TheMaestro]

Northern Greece

[Joso]

Northern Greece

Yeah, because they are very slavicised and north pontid and baltid/gorid are very common phenotypes there.

[TheMaestro]

Yeah, because they are very slavicised and north pontid and baltid/gorid are very common phenotypes there.

This has nothing to do with genetics or slavics, this is a TA meme, between Zeno, Benny etc.

[Septentrion]

It starts in some lighter shades of light brown. Although many of us tend to call « blonde hair» only the lighter blonde types. Which is absolutely nonsense.
Example of a dark blonde Danish individual:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1c2384fa789ac67e7f56d0dbc19854e4