Bektashi-Alevi(Qizilbash) Balkan Turk Gedmatch from Bulgarian Thrace

[Kaspias]

He is from Momchilgrad(Mestanlı).

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 21.97
2 North_Atlantic 17.75
3 Baltic 17.11
4 East_Med 16.46
5 West_Med 15.37
6 Siberian 5.19
7 East_Asian 4.61
8 Red_Sea 0.9
9 Sub-Saharan 0.53
10 South_Asian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 13.53
2 Romanian 14.37
3 Greek_Thessaly 14.69
4 Italian_Abruzzo 16.58
5 Central_Greek 16.75
6 Serbian 17.5
7 East_Sicilian 18.4
8 Nogay 18.92
9 West_Sicilian 19.61
10 Tuscan 19.96
11 South_Italian 20.4
12 Moldavian 20.47
13 Turkish 20.83
14 Ashkenazi 21.23
15 Kumyk 21.73
16 North_Italian 21.9
17 Turkmen 23.3
18 Kabardin 23.45
19 Hungarian 23.67
20 Balkar 23.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.9% Bulgarian + 41.1% Nogay @ 4.2
2 57.5% Romanian + 42.5% Nogay @ 4.91
3 56.9% Greek_Thessaly + 43.1% Nogay @ 5.03
4 63.5% Romanian + 36.5% Balkar @ 5.32
5 65.3% Bulgarian + 34.7% Balkar @ 5.57
6 66.8% Romanian + 33.2% Ossetian @ 5.75
7 68.5% Bulgarian + 31.5% Ossetian @ 5.82
8 58.4% Serbian + 41.6% Balkar @ 5.99
9 54% Nogay + 46% North_Italian @ 6.09
10 63.5% Romanian + 36.5% Kabardin @ 6.1
11 65.2% Bulgarian + 34.8% Kabardin @ 6.12
12 51.5% Nogay + 48.5% Tuscan @ 6.15
13 66.8% Romanian + 33.2% North_Ossetian @ 6.26
14 68.5% Bulgarian + 31.5% North_Ossetian @ 6.37
15 61.8% Serbian + 38.2% Ossetian @ 6.47
16 65.4% Bulgarian + 34.6% Turkmen @ 6.52
17 63.6% Romanian + 36.4% Turkmen @ 6.54
18 61.9% Romanian + 38.1% Kumyk @ 6.64
19 52.2% Serbian + 47.8% Nogay @ 6.66
20 63.9% Bulgarian + 36.1% Kumyk @ 6.89



Eurogenes K15


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 22.2
2 Atlantic 17.79
3 East_Med 11.18
4 Baltic 11.16
5 West_Med 11.12
6 North_Sea 8.11
7 Eastern_Euro 6.87
8 Siberian 4.69
9 Southeast_Asian 4.11
10 Red_Sea 1.75
11 South_Asian 0.85
12 Sub-Saharan 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 13.72
2 Romanian 14.35
3 Greek 15.88
4 Italian_Abruzzo 17.08
5 Greek_Thessaly 17.29
6 Serbian 17.39
7 Central_Greek 18.2
8 Tuscan 18.62
9 Nogay 19.23
10 Ashkenazi 19.23
11 East_Sicilian 19.28
12 Moldavian 20.05
13 West_Sicilian 20.14
14 North_Italian 20.53
15 South_Italian 20.98
16 Austrian 21.18
17 Turkish 21.28
18 Croatian 21.63
19 Turkmen 22.55
20 Kumyk 22.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.1% Bulgarian + 39.9% Nogay @ 6.78
2 53.3% Kabardin + 46.7% Southwest_French @ 6.99
3 51.5% Kabardin + 48.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 7.07
4 52.7% Balkar + 47.3% Southwest_French @ 7.1
5 50.4% Kabardin + 49.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 7.12
6 51.9% Nogay + 48.1% North_Italian @ 7.13
7 51% Balkar + 49% Spanish_Valencia @ 7.23
8 50.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 49.8% Balkar @ 7.4
9 57.2% Nogay + 42.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 7.47
10 55.3% Kumyk + 44.7% Southwest_French @ 7.47
11 51.1% Kabardin + 48.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 7.47
12 50.9% Tuscan + 49.1% Nogay @ 7.54
13 53.9% Kabardin + 46.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 7.57
14 59.2% Romanian + 40.8% Nogay @ 7.57
15 58.3% Nogay + 41.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 7.57
16 51.1% Kabardin + 48.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 7.58
17 50.5% Balkar + 49.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 7.58
18 50.9% Kabardin + 49.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 7.65
19 55.9% Greek + 44.1% Nogay @ 7.68
20 55% North_Italian + 45% Kabardin @ 7.71


MDLP K23b


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 33.68
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 22.33
3 European_Early_Farmers 14.38
4 South_Central_Asian 10.96
5 Near_East 5.39
6 Tungus-Altaic 3.7
7 South_East_Asian 3.42
8 Austronesian 2.19
9 Ancestral_Altaic 1.3
10 East_Siberian 1.18
11 North_African 0.93
12 Arctic 0.56

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turk_Balikesir ( ) 9.07
2 Bosnian ( ) 10.32
3 Croat_BH ( ) 10.41
4 Bulgarian ( ) 10.42
5 Serb_BH ( ) 10.51
6 Turk_Aydin ( ) 10.54
7 Montenegrian ( ) 10.7
8 Croat ( ) 10.89
9 Macedonian ( ) 10.99
10 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain ( ) 11.42
11 Serb_Serbia ( ) 11.43
12 Romanian ( ) 12.27
13 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 12.59
14 Ukrainian_West ( ) 13.08
15 Czech ( ) 13.5
16 Slovenian ( ) 13.79
17 Slovak ( ) 13.85
18 Gagauz ( ) 14.14
19 Hungarian ( ) 14.19
20 Greek_Northwest ( ) 14.21

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.4% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 22.6% Icelandic ( ) @ 3.86
2 75% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 25% Norwegian_East ( ) @ 3.89
3 70.2% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 29.8% North_German ( ) @ 3.9
4 78.1% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 21.9% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) @ 3.97
5 71.1% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 28.9% Dutch ( ) @ 4.02
6 77.3% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 22.7% Norwegian_West ( ) @ 4.05
7 78.9% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 21.1% Orcadian ( ) @ 4.07
8 72.6% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 27.4% Dane ( ) @ 4.08
9 73.9% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 26.1% Irish ( ) @ 4.08
10 74% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 26% Swede ( ) @ 4.09
11 75.8% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 24.2% North_European ( ) @ 4.17
12 77.1% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 22.9% CEU ( ) @ 4.21
13 74.7% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 25.3% English ( ) @ 4.25
14 58.7% Turk ( ) + 41.3% North_German ( ) @ 4.27
15 70.4% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 29.6% Swede_Saami ( ) @ 4.28
16 77.5% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 22.5% British ( ) @ 4.29
17 77.4% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 22.6% Welsh ( ) @ 4.3
18 73.2% Turk_Aydin ( ) + 26.8% Frisian ( ) @ 4.32
19 50.8% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 49.2% German ( ) @ 4.33
20 61.5% Turk ( ) + 38.5% Dane ( ) @ 4.42



MDLP K16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.41
2 Neolithic 20.64
3 Steppe 13.61
4 NorthEastEuropean 13.27
5 Siberian 6.58
6 SouthEastAsian 3.24
7 Indian 2.99
8 NearEast 1.69
9 Australian 0.56
10 Oceanic 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turk (Turkey) 8.18
2 Greek (Macedonia) 8.21
3 Greek (Peloponnes) 9.43
4 Greek (Thessaloniki) 9.73
5 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 9.74
6 Albanian (Albania) 9.76
7 Greek (Greece) 9.79
8 Turk (Balikesir) 9.94
9 Romanian (Romania) 10.09
10 Greek (Athens) 10.09
11 Greek (Greece) 10.69
12 Jew (Ashkenazi) 11.02
13 Kosovar (Kosovo) 11.06
14 Italian (Abruzzo) 11.14
15 Italian (SouthItaly) 11.32
16 Jew (Ashkenazi) 11.33
17 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 11.42
18 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 11.48
19 Turk (Istanbul) 11.57
20 Jew (Ashkenazim) 11.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.6% Turk (Balikesir) + 30.4% German (Germany) @ 2.46
2 59.7% Turk (Balikesir) + 40.3% Serbian (Serbia) @ 2.55
3 58.7% Turk (Balikesir) + 41.3% Montenegrian (Montenegro) @ 2.81
4 55.4% Turk (Balikesir) + 44.6% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 2.82
5 58.2% Turk (Balikesir) + 41.8% Romanian (Apuseni) @ 2.88
6 74% Turk (Turkey) + 26% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 2.95
7 74.5% Turk (Turkey) + 25.5% German (Germany) @ 2.95
8 72.3% Turk (Balikesir) + 27.7% French (France) @ 2.95
9 77.5% Turk (Turkey) + 22.5% Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) @ 2.99
10 72.9% Turk (Turkey) + 27.1% Hungarian (Hungary) @ 3.01
11 77.4% Turk (Turkey) + 22.6% Swede (Sweden) @ 3.02
12 71.4% Turk (Turkey) + 28.6% Slovenian (Slovenia) @ 3.03
13 75.2% Turk (Turkey) + 24.8% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 3.03
14 74.3% Turk (Turkey) + 25.7% Welsh (Wales) @ 3.06
15 63% Turk (Balikesir) + 37% Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 3.07
16 75.9% Turk (Turkey) + 24.1% Sorb (Lusatia) @ 3.07
17 53.9% Turk (Balikesir) + 46.1% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 3.07
18 68% Turk (Turkey) + 32% Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 3.09
19 62.9% Turk (Balikesir) + 37.1% Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 3.09
20 75.8% Turk (Turkey) + 24.2% Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) @ 3.1


PuntDNAL K15


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 28.9
2 Mediterranean 28.83
3 Caucasian 24.25
4 E_Asian 6.44
5 SW_Asian 6.4
6 Siberian 1.98
7 Beringian 1.1
8 W_African 0.95
9 Wht_Nile_River 0.56
10 S_African 0.31
11 Oceanian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Central 9.58
2 Greek_Thessaly 10.07
3 Albanian 12.52
4 Tuscan 12.75
5 Bulgarian 14.74
6 Montenegrin 14.75
7 Macedonian 15.26
8 Ashkenazy_Jew 15.34
9 Romanian 15.43
10 Italian 15.58
11 Bosnian 15.74
12 Sicilian 16.78
13 Sephardic_Jew 18.27
14 Serbian 20.2
15 Brazilian 20.44
16 Nogai 21.19
17 Turk_Kayseri 22.92
18 Portuguese 23.03
19 Spaniard 23.88
20 French 24.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.4% Montenegrin + 40.6% Nogai @ 3.74
2 58% Italian + 42% Nogai @ 3.98
3 81.2% Greek_Central + 18.8% Uyghur @ 4.08
4 80.3% Greek_Thessaly + 19.7% Uyghur @ 4.08
5 81.1% Greek_Thessaly + 18.9% Hazara @ 4.13
6 82.1% Greek_Central + 17.9% Hazara @ 4.21
7 69.6% Greek_Thessaly + 30.4% Nogai @ 4.38
8 87.4% Greek_Central + 12.6% Mongolian @ 4.39
9 59.6% Bulgarian + 40.4% Nogai @ 4.48
10 64% Albanian + 36% Nogai @ 4.58
11 58.4% Romanian + 41.6% Nogai @ 4.64
12 53.1% Nogai + 46.9% Spaniard @ 4.81
13 64.6% Montenegrin + 35.4% Turkmen @ 4.86
14 63.2% Italian + 36.8% Turkmen @ 4.88
15 91.6% Greek_Central + 8.4% Chinese @ 5.07
16 87.2% Greek_Thessaly + 12.8% Mongolian @ 5.07
17 74.5% Greek_Thessaly + 25.5% Turkmen @ 5.11
18 90.9% Greek_Central + 9.1% Cambodian @ 5.18
19 89.8% Greek_Central + 10.2% Burmese @ 5.18
20 91.5% Greek_Central + 8.5% Vietnamese @ 5.26


Dodecad K12b


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 29.3
2 North_European 23.62
3 Atlantic_Med 22.06
4 Gedrosia 9.09
5 Southwest_Asian 5.97
6 East_Asian 5.01
7 Siberian 3.63
8 Northwest_African 0.87
9 East_African 0.46

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 13.07
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 13.12
3 Greek (Dodecad) 13.24
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 13.97
5 Romanians (Behar) 14.34
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 15.81
7 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.08
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 17.14
9 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 17.44
10 Sicilian (Dodecad) 17.66
11 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.73
12 TSI30 (Metspalu) 17.8
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 20.07
14 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 21.92
15 Turkish (Dodecad) 22.4
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 22.43
17 North_Italian (HGDP) 22.69
18 Turks (Behar) 24.12
19 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 24.14
20 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 25.85

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 36.8% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 3.36
2 52.3% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 47.7% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 4
3 50.9% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 49.1% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 4.72
4 65.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 34.7% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 4.76
5 61.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 38.9% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 5
6 55.6% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 44.4% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 5.1
7 58.5% Turkish (Dodecad) + 41.5% German (Dodecad) @ 5.11
8 63.2% Turkish (Dodecad) + 36.8% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 5.13
9 59.7% Turkish (Dodecad) + 40.3% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 5.19
10 62.2% Turkish (Dodecad) + 37.8% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 5.29
11 62.2% Turkish (Dodecad) + 37.8% English (Dodecad) @ 5.32
12 61.4% Turks (Behar) + 38.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 5.35
13 65.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 34.6% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 5.37
14 59.3% Turks (Behar) + 40.7% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 5.38
15 61.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 38.1% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 5.39
16 64.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 35.9% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 5.39
17 64% Turkish (Dodecad) + 36% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 5.53
18 57.9% Turks (Behar) + 42.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 5.57
19 63.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 36.1% Irish (Dodecad) @ 5.57
20 56.7% Turks (Behar) + 43.3% German (Dodecad) @ 5.59


Eurogenes K36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 3.25 Pct
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.52 Pct
East_Central_Asian 3.34 Pct
East_Central_Euro 10.29 Pct
East_Med 5.04 Pct
Eastern_Euro 5.74 Pct
Fennoscandian 1.52 Pct
French 1.37 Pct
Iberian 6.33 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 12.22 Pct
Malayan 0.12 Pct
Near_Eastern 6.70 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 4.75 Pct
North_Caucasian 13.16 Pct
North_Sea 1.88 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 1.96 Pct
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 3.54 Pct
South_Chinese 1.54 Pct
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 5.43 Pct
West_Med 7.29 Pct

[Lucas]

K36 LM Genetics oracle...

Pomak 1.300505
Balkan_Turks 1.328319
Crimean_Tatars_Coast 1.353483
South_Romania 1.389802
Bulgaria 1.471499
TR_Istanbul 1.488270
Greek_Azov 1.502808
GR_Macedonia 1.508865
South-East_Romania 1.513803
Macedonia_FYROM 1.608620

[Kaspias]

K36 LM Genetics oracle...

Pomak 1.300505
Balkan_Turks 1.328319
Crimean_Tatars_Coast 1.353483
South_Romania 1.389802
Bulgaria 1.471499
TR_Istanbul 1.488270
Greek_Azov 1.502808
GR_Macedonia 1.508865
South-East_Romania 1.513803
Macedonia_FYROM 1.608620

Thank you!

[itilvolga]

Are there any significant differences between Alevi and Sunni Balkan Turks?

[Kaspias]

Are there any significant differences between Alevi and Sunni Balkan Turks?

Alevi's are more isolated. I don't know if it is about being isolated or not but they apparently carry more West Asian, Sunni's carry more Med. They have similar amounts of East Eurasian. But there is no Shia "convert" while there are Sunni. Pomaks are also Sunni.

[FinalFlash]

K36 LM Genetics oracle...

Pomak 1.300505
Balkan_Turks 1.328319
Crimean_Tatars_Coast 1.353483
South_Romania 1.389802
Bulgaria 1.471499
TR_Istanbul 1.488270
Greek_Azov 1.502808
GR_Macedonia 1.508865
South-East_Romania 1.513803
Macedonia_FYROM 1.608620

How do you access this oracle?

[karakartal]

His Near East(Mdlp K23) and Red Sea(Eurogenes K13) is low than me. Why?

[Kaspias]

His Near East(Mdlp K23) and Red Sea(Eurogenes K13) is low than me. Why?

Red Sea is higher among Greeks than Bulgarians. For Near East, your one side is from Istanbul but his all ancestors from Bulgaria. That's the reason.

[Gangrel]

Alevi's are more isolated. I don't know if it is about being isolated or not but they apparently carry more West Asian, Sunni's carry more Med. They have similar amounts of East Eurasian. But there is no Shia "convert" while there are Sunni. Pomaks are also Sunni.

I presume it's the same in Anatolia. Alevis are likely more West Asian then Sunnis who are more Euro. Maybe more EE too but idk

[Kaspias]

I presume it's the same in Anatolia. Alevis are likely more West Asian then Sunnis who are more Euro. Maybe more EE too but idk

Alevi's who live around Central Bulgaria(Balkan Mountains) scores 3-4% EE. They have more WA than Sunni's. On the other hand, their EE is similar. In Thrace, they score 5-10% EE which means still similar to Sunni's. But again, more West Asian. (13-18 Sunni, 18-22 Alevi)

I wonder the migration route of Alevi's to the Balkans. They probably come from Khorasan or Northern Iran but when? The ones who live in Thrace are not first or second generation settler Turks to the Balkans, it is clear since they preserved their EE also those first settlers were Sunni. This points out they have lived among Turks and haven't heavily mixed with natives. This only can be happen if there are already high amounts of Turkish population. This makes me think they come around 1700s in order to spread Islam. They usually have "Molla" surname. But the ones live at the North, Balkan Mountains, i have some strong clues to believe they firstly settled in Hungary. After mixed there 1-2 generation they resettled in Central-Northern Bulgaria when Ottomans lost Hungarian lands. Literally, each of them scores more North Atlantic admixture than the Baltic, even some of them like 20 NA and 12 Baltic. This NA/BA ratio is impossible in Bulgaria, even in Romania. They also couldn't preserved their EE with high amounts.

See: https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gül_Baba

According to Evliya Celebi, there were two Bektashi dervish lodges in Budin, except the Gül Baba. The Baba Miftah tekke was on the banks of the Danube River.

The Hızır Baba Tekke was in the vineyard, called Ovakapısı. The foundation goods of the Hizir Baba tekkes were small but had a small but useful building. Kalender dervishes used to live with loot and help.


Budin, 1686.
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