My y-dna !

[Nassbean]

I was a bit surprised but what does it really mean ? because i know a lot of north africans who take the y-dna really seriously ...

https://i.imgur.com/3p05VbR.png

[Ayetooey]

J1 is typical Arabian I think.

[Nassbean]

J1 is typical Arabian I think.

yes but what about the subclade ?

[Ayetooey]

yes but what about the subclade ?

Couldn't tell you, but Morley doesn't go very in depth and isn't very accurate with subclades, it got my subclade wrong. If you're really interested you should take an FTDNA y-dna test and get a deeper subclade that way. There's a sale on till the 28th.

[xripkan]

I was a bit surprised but what does it really mean ? because i know a lot of north africans who take the y-dna really seriously ...

https://i.imgur.com/3p05VbR.png

You are a subclade under J1-P58. It is a semitic branch. Here is the Eupedia description

J1-P58, the Central Semitic branch of J1, appears to have expanded from the southern Levant (Israel, Palestine, Jordan) across the Arabian peninsula during the Bronze Age, from approximately 3,500 to 2,500 BCE. Camels were domesticated in Somalia and southern Arabia c. 3,000 BCE, but did not become widely used in the southern Levant before approximately 1,100 BCE. Camels played an important role in the further diffusion of J1-P58 lineages, notably with the Bedouins in the desertic parts of the Middle East and North Africa. Bedouins now make up a substantial percentage of the population of Sudan (33%), Libya (15%), the United Arab Emirates (8%) and Saudi Arabia (5%).

[xripkan]

It is found in Western Asia. It could be associated with Arabian migrations.

[Nassbean]

Couldn't tell you, but Morley doesn't go very in depth and isn't very accurate with subclades, it got my subclade wrong. If you're really interested you should take an FTDNA y-dna test and get a deeper subclade that way. There's a sale on till the 28th.

Alright thank you

[Nassbean]

You are a subclade under J1-P58. It is a semitic branch. Here is the Eupedia description

J1-P58, the Central Semitic branch of J1, appears to have expanded from the southern Levant (Israel, Palestine, Jordan) across the Arabian peninsula during the Bronze Age, from approximately 3,500 to 2,500 BCE. Camels were domesticated in Somalia and southern Arabia c. 3,000 BCE, but did not become widely used in the southern Levant before approximately 1,100 BCE. Camels played an important role in the further diffusion of J1-P58 lineages, notably with the Bedouins in the desertic parts of the Middle East and North Africa. Bedouins now make up a substantial percentage of the population of Sudan (33%), Libya (15%), the United Arab Emirates (8%) and Saudi Arabia (5%).

interesting thank you

[Nassbean]

It is found in Western Asia. It could be associated with Arabian migrations.

but does it only means that the founder of my paternal lineage was arab or does it mean more than that ?

[xripkan]

but does it only means that the founder of my paternal lineage was arab or does it mean more than that ?

It says just that. Which is your paternal lineage. It is difficult to be sure where it comes from. It could be directly from Western Asia and it came in middle-Ages with the Arab expansion. A quite possible scenario is that it came from Muslims of Spain. It is know that many of them moved to Morocco.

[Nassbean]

It says just that. Which is your paternal lineage. It is difficult to be sure where it comes from. It could be directly from Western Asia and it came in middle-Ages with the Arab expansion. A quite possible scenario is that it came from Muslims of Spain. It is know that many of them moved to Morocco.

thank you but arabs in spain were a minority berbers were far more numerous and the great majority of these muslims were iberian

[xripkan]

thank you but arabs in spain were a minority berbers were far more numerous and the great majority of these muslims were iberian

We can't be sure that your subclade is definitely Arabic. It is from Semetic people for sure but we can't exclude the possibility that it comes from Phoenicians for example. You have to test your y-dna to know exactly the origin of your subclade.

[Nassbean]

We can't be sure that your subclade is definitely Arabic. It is from Semetic people for sure but we can't exclude the possibility that it comes from Phoenicians for example. You have to test your y-dna to know exactly the origin of your subclade.

Alright thank you

[marco]

What’s your terminal subclade?

[marco]

You are Eastern shifted

[marco]

We can't be sure that your subclade is definitely Arabic. It is from Semetic people for sure but we can't exclude the possibility that it comes from Phoenicians for example. You have to test your y-dna to know exactly the origin of your subclade.

Lol it’s arab don’t talk about things you don’t know I need to know his terminal subclade. Don’t have time for nonsense or stupidity I’ve seen this guys results

[happycow]

Arab

[Nassbean]

What’s your terminal subclade?

I didn't test it but here is what I got with another Y-DNA predicator :

https://i.imgur.com/p4rY9cu.png


It's probably arab but we can't be really sure guanche and punic samples already had this haplogroup Also a jewish origin is not impossible. I say this because all J1 moroccan I've seen were eastern shifted and had a clear natufian component

[marco]

I didn't test it but here is what I got with another Y-DNA predicator :

https://i.imgur.com/p4rY9cu.png


It's probably arab but we can't be really sure guanche and punic samples already had this haplogroup Also a jewish origin is not impossible. I say this because all J1 moroccan I've seen were eastern shifted and had a clear natufian component

It’s arab I had it confirmed by a friend, you should have similar results to another north Moroccan I know with an eastern shift

[Nassbean]

It’s arab I had it confirmed by a friend, you should have similar results to another north Moroccan I know with an eastern shift

Btw where have you seen that I'm eastern shifted ?

[marco]

Btw where have you seen that I'm eastern shifted ?

It’s not important, but I know how much natufian you would score in g25. Is not a big deal you would still plot north but just with an eastern shift

[Nassbean]

It’s not important, but I know how much natufian you would score in g25. Is not a big deal you would still plot north but just with an eastern shift

even based on North moroccan samples I still have less ME admixture than the average I can post some examples if needed

[marco]

Btw where have you seen that I'm eastern shifted ?


even based on North moroccan samples I still have less ME admixture than the average I can post some examples if needed

You are above average I know that for sure, I’ve studied the samples in depth if I recall you score 7 to 10 percent Arabian on k36 correct me if I’m wrong

[marco]

Btw where have you seen that I'm eastern shifted ?


even based on North moroccan samples I still have less ME admixture than the average I can post some examples if needed

You are still Berber just with an arab origin and slight eastern shift not a big deal

[Nassbean]

You are above average I know that for sure, I’ve studied the samples in depth if I recall you score 7 to 10 percent Arabian on k36 correct me if I’m wrong

no I scored 5.73% on K36


here comparison between me and some riffians.

my results :

https://i.imgur.com/IOISwZe.jpg?1

here two random riffians :

https://i.imgur.com/q9EKOqc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qqParjl.jpg

[marco]

no I scored 5.73% on K36


here comparison between me and some riffians.

my results :

https://i.imgur.com/IOISwZe.jpg?1

here two random riffians :

https://i.imgur.com/q9EKOqc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qqParjl.jpg

Can you pm your cords I’ll run you on a proper model, the distance is to high and the model is not great

[marco]

GRC_Peloponnese_N,0.1192866,0.176702,-0.0080704,-0.0965124,0.0409306,-0.0416662,-0.001645,-0.0051228,0.0253202,0.0726758,0.0066578,0.012499,-0.0241424,-0.0007708,-0.0353146,-0.0086448,0.0185666,0.000532,0.0104078,-0.0138568,-0.018193,0.0007172,-0.004289,-0.000699,-0.004766

Bell_Beaker_NLD,0.1284778,0.1228792,0.0626964,0.07 32402,0.024543,0.0242984,0.0004994,0.003346,-0.0082066,-0.0132576,-0.0051356,0.0029222,-0.0081208,-0.014588,0.0251934,0.0100105,-0.0060466,-0.0022011,0.0012412,0.0072378,0.005849,0.0026894,0 .0002158,0.0061454,-0.000464

IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254

WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445 ,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045

Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995

Mbuti,-0.647426,0.0591038,0.0254932,0.0374034,-0.001108,0.0066378,0.3663348,-0.293434,0.0177118,0.02985,-0.0089316,0.2198242,0.1264506,0.0010182,0.010342,-0.0014052,0.0009386,-0.0518664,0.014229,0.003727,0.0061144,-0.0018548,-0.0043878,0.0025304,-0.0006944


MAR_EN:IAM.5,-0.180979,0.091398,-0.018856,-0.090117,0.030159,-0.05773,-0.076848,0.021461,0.154825,-0.001458,0.024521,-0.025178,0.078047,-0.047755,0.07356,-0.034738,0.007171,-0.060811,-0.147695,0.044771,-0.041053,-0.121427,0.083439,-0.007109,0.027782

RUS_Karelia_HG,0.1236877,0.0321583,0.129855,0.2101 663,-0.010361,0.0571723,-0.0196627,-0.0234603,-0.002659,-0.0860153,0.0182957,-0.0184337,0.0333497,-0.039085,0.018865,0.0295237,-0.0148203,0.0031673,-0.0044413,0.012506,-0.007487,0.0169817,0.0093667,-0.021007,-0.0103383

GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036

Levant_Natufian,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287

Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246

Run this please

[Nassbean]

GRC_Peloponnese_N,0.1192866,0.176702,-0.0080704,-0.0965124,0.0409306,-0.0416662,-0.001645,-0.0051228,0.0253202,0.0726758,0.0066578,0.012499,-0.0241424,-0.0007708,-0.0353146,-0.0086448,0.0185666,0.000532,0.0104078,-0.0138568,-0.018193,0.0007172,-0.004289,-0.000699,-0.004766

Bell_Beaker_NLD,0.1284778,0.1228792,0.0626964,0.07 32402,0.024543,0.0242984,0.0004994,0.003346,-0.0082066,-0.0132576,-0.0051356,0.0029222,-0.0081208,-0.014588,0.0251934,0.0100105,-0.0060466,-0.0022011,0.0012412,0.0072378,0.005849,0.0026894,0 .0002158,0.0061454,-0.000464

IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254

WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445 ,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045

Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995

Mbuti,-0.647426,0.0591038,0.0254932,0.0374034,-0.001108,0.0066378,0.3663348,-0.293434,0.0177118,0.02985,-0.0089316,0.2198242,0.1264506,0.0010182,0.010342,-0.0014052,0.0009386,-0.0518664,0.014229,0.003727,0.0061144,-0.0018548,-0.0043878,0.0025304,-0.0006944


MAR_EN:IAM.5,-0.180979,0.091398,-0.018856,-0.090117,0.030159,-0.05773,-0.076848,0.021461,0.154825,-0.001458,0.024521,-0.025178,0.078047,-0.047755,0.07356,-0.034738,0.007171,-0.060811,-0.147695,0.044771,-0.041053,-0.121427,0.083439,-0.007109,0.027782

RUS_Karelia_HG,0.1236877,0.0321583,0.129855,0.2101 663,-0.010361,0.0571723,-0.0196627,-0.0234603,-0.002659,-0.0860153,0.0182957,-0.0184337,0.0333497,-0.039085,0.018865,0.0295237,-0.0148203,0.0031673,-0.0044413,0.012506,-0.007487,0.0169817,0.0093667,-0.021007,-0.0103383

GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036

Levant_Natufian,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287

Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246

Run this please

https://i.imgur.com/ILdXhIt.png

why MAR_EN instead of iberomaurusian ?

[marco]

https://i.imgur.com/ILdXhIt.png

why MAR_EN instead of iberomaurusian ?

Your distance is high, it’s dependent on eras this model Was passed on by a friend mar en are the sons of iberomaurusian. You are still missing something as your distance is still high, but this is a more accurate model. Would you be willing to share your cords? Or I can just send you models if you are uncomfortable but I can work faster getting your distance down if I have your cords and you will have a better view of your results

[Daos777]

North Africa belongs to E-M78. All invaders out.

[Nassbean]

Your distance is high, it’s dependent on eras this model Was passed on by a friend mar en are the sons of iberomaurusian. You are still missing something as your distance is still high, but this is a more accurate model. Would you be willing to share your cords? Or I can just send you models if you are uncomfortable but I can work faster getting your distance down if I have your cords and you will have a better view of your results

I will send you my coordinates but post my results here pls

[Nassbean]

North Africa belongs to E-M78. All invaders out.

well I'm already out

[marco]

Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 2.5484% / 0.02548442
25.6 IBERIAN
25.4 IBEROMAURUSIAN
23.4 GREEK
19.8 LEVANTINE
5.8 Yoruba

I’m making adjustments to pre existing calculators and seeing what best fits you but I would say roughly you are round 25 percent ibero

[marco]

You are european shifted and I have no doubt your arab ancestor was in andulisa

[Nassbean]

Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 2.5484% / 0.02548442
25.6 IBERIAN
25.4 IBEROMAURUSIAN
23.4 GREEK
19.8 LEVANTINE
5.8 Yoruba

I’m making adjustments to pre existing calculators and seeing what best fits you but I would say roughly you are round 25 percent ibero

yes that's what most tests show but as you can see I'm not that eastern shifted you can compare it to other maghrebis

[Nassbean]

You are european shifted and I have no doubt your ancestor was in andulisa

that's also what I've concluded and btw you're my second closest match on ftdna just saying

[Brutus]

I was a bit surprised but what does it really mean ? because i know a lot of north africans who take the y-dna really seriously ...

https://i.imgur.com/3p05VbR.png

I just saw this and excuse me for commenting late or repeating something cause I didn't read the whole thread. J-P58 is actually not exclusively Arabian, it's associated with Semites though. It could be that you have a Jewish ancestor who converted or your ancestors came in with the Canaanite/Phoenician expansion during the 9th century BC. Because the typical North African lineage is E-M81 (Berber associated), which is like more than 50% of North Africans. But you could be of Arabian stock.

[Brutus]

Well we have something in common, we're both outliers of the most typical lineages in our area .. :D

[Brutus]

North Africa belongs to E-M78. All invaders out.

E-M81 Berbers would like to have a word with you ;)

[Nassbean]

I just saw this and excuse me for commenting late or repeating something cause I didn't read the whole thread. J-P58 is actually not exclusively Arabian, it's associated with Semites though. It could be that you have a Jewish ancestor who converted or your ancestors came in with the Canaanite/Phoenician expansion during the 9th century BC. Because the typical North African lineage is E-M81 (Berber associated), which is like more than 50% of North Africans. But you could be of Arabian stock.

thanks but is your paternal lineage important to you ? Because I don't see what's the point focusing on one paternal ancestor

[Brutus]

thanks but is your paternal lineage important to you ? Because I don't see what's the point focusing on one paternal ancestor

Autosomal shows you how all of your ancestors from all sides shaped you. While your paternal shows you the migration path of your paternal ancestors and where they came from. Autosomal is more important because it shows you all of your ancestors, but the paternal lineage is nice since it gives you a general background of where your ancestors lived and how they migrated. I'm Autosomally Middle Eastern from different areas, but my paternal ancestor came with the crusades in somewhere around 1096-1150. It's only a minor part in the whole picture and I'm still Levantine. :)

[Daos777]

E-M81 Berbers would like to have a word with you ;)

Lol the natives aka Iberomaurusians were almost exclusively E-M78. E-M81 came from cattle herders from the East.

We wuz kangs(E-M78)


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[Adamm]

Lol the natives aka Iberomaurusians were almost exclusively E-M78. E-M81 came from cattle herders from the East.

We wuz kangs(E-M78)


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Come back to Africa and claim your land.

[Nassbean]

Lol the natives aka Iberomaurusians were almost exclusively E-M78. E-M81 came from cattle herders from the East.

We wuz kangs(E-M78)


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not really e-m81 is much recent and totally indigenous to north africa

[Daos777]

Come back to Africa and claim your land.

Can’t. My Slavic admixture has made my skin too white and I will burn too easily and end up looking like beef jerky. I have to give up on Africa.


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[Nassbean]

Autosomal shows you how all of your ancestors from all sides shaped you. While your paternal shows you the migration path of your paternal ancestors and where they came from. Autosomal is more important because it shows you all of your ancestors, but the paternal lineage is nice since it gives you a general background of where your ancestors lived and how they migrated. I'm Autosomally Middle Eastern from different areas, but my paternal ancestor came with the crusades in somewhere around 1096-1150. It's only a minor part in the whole picture and I'm still Levantine. :)

I still don't get it lol ...let's say one of my ancestor was a semite but why should I give him more attention than a random ancestor who came from west africa for example ?

also guanches already had "semite" haplogroups despite being totally isolated from phoenicians and arabs :

https://i.imgur.com/IN94etT.png

[Daos777]

not really e-m81 is much recent and totally indigenous to north africa

Well I mean E-M81 has been in Maghreb since late Mesolithic or early Neolithic. All I’m saying is that Paleolithic and early Mesolithic North Africa belongs to E-M78. So we wuz Kangs for sure.


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[Brutus]

I still don't get it lol ...let's say one of my ancestor was a semite but why should I give him more attention than a random ancestor who came from west africa for example ?

also guanches already had "semite" haplogroups despite being totally isolated from phoenicians and arabs :

https://i.imgur.com/IN94etT.png

Well there is no such thing as a haplogroup associated with a single ethnicity. Haplogroups are a small tool that help in tracking down population migrations, that's it. Autosomal gives a much bigger picture because it shows the marks of your ancestors who didn't pass down their sex chromosomes to you.
For example, J1 is found in high incidence among mountain herders in France apparently, does this mean they're Semites?
you can track how these haplogroups got there in different historical migrations.

[Nassbean]

Can’t. My Slavic admixture has made my skin too white and I will burn too easily and end up looking like beef jerky. I have to give up on Africa.


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well if you can survive in greece, italy or spain I don't see why you wouldn't in the Maghreb

[Nassbean]

Well there is no such thing as a haplogroup associated with a single ethnicity. Haplogroups are a small tool that help in tracking down population migrations, that's it. Autosomal gives a much bigger picture because it shows the marks of your ancestors who didn't pass down their sex chromosomes to you.
For example, J1 is found in high incidence among mountain herders in France apparently, does this mean they're Semites?
you can track how these haplogroups got there in different historical migrations.

no of course not but that's why I don't understand why people focus on it too much there are legit people who said I was arab simply because of my haplogroup lol

[marco]

I just saw this and excuse me for commenting late or repeating something cause I didn't read the whole thread. J-P58 is actually not exclusively Arabian, it's associated with Semites though. It could be that you have a Jewish ancestor who converted or your ancestors came in with the Canaanite/Phoenician expansion during the 9th century BC. Because the typical North African lineage is E-M81 (Berber associated), which is like more than 50% of North Africans. But you could be of Arabian stock.

It’s most certainly arab and not Jewish. I’m not gonna get into this, but it’s a parental lineage and his origin but dna wise his still what he is so it’s not gonna effect him in anyway, it’s his choice if he wants to acknowledge his lineage or not

[Daos777]

well if you can survive in greece, italy or spain I don't see why you wouldn't in the Maghreb

Lol that was a joke. I tan very well and I live in south Florida where it’s probably warmer ,if taking humidity into consideration, than North Africa. So E-M78 will return haha


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[Unknown European]

98675

Maciamo from Europedia put this together I highlighted your branch I believe he finds the locations by looking at the FTDNA database and where peoples earliest paternal ancesters were from and what the subclade they belong to is. Maybe you are a :jewish: lol

he also wrote this J1-L817 is a major Jewish cluster, also defined by L818 and DYS392=13. It has been found a far as China. Most Jewish members belong to its subclade L816.

Check this out it is an FTDNA project showing the names and locations of members of that subclade

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/bnei-yahya/about

In all honesty it is probably Arab and arrived with the Medieval Arab Muslim expansion

but to be sure you would have to look further down the subclades

[Nassbean]

98675

Maciamo from Europedia put this together I highlighted your branch I believe he finds the locations by looking at the FTDNA database and where peoples earliest paternal ancesters were from and what the subclade they belong to is. Maybe you are a :jewish: lol

he also wrote this J1-L817 is a major Jewish cluster, also defined by L818 and DYS392=13. It has been found a far as China. Most Jewish members belong to its subclade L816.

Z1865 is probably from an arab source not a jewish one look at the pic you posted (both y-seq predictor and morley predicted Z1865)

[Dr_Maul]

Overall it is Semitic
It is either:
Jew
Phoenician
Umayyad

[Nassbean]

Overall it is Semitic
It is either:
Jew
Phoenician
Umayyad

It's much recent I think During the XIth century banu maqil tribes from yemen settled in my paternal region I don't think it's a coincidence if my subclade is mainly found among yemenites

[Unknown European]

By bad i read that wrong because I looked at the bottom of your post where it said J1-L817 in Red

[Nassbean]

By bad i read that wrong because I looked at the bottom of your post where it said J1-L817 in Red

no problem haha that's why I didn't understand why you put these subclades

[Adamm]

It's much recent I think During the XIth century banu maqil tribes from yemen settled in my paternal region I don't think it's a coincidence if my subclade is mainly found among yemenites

Mhaya?

[Nassbean]

Mhaya?

that's the problem Idk yet nor my father knows

[Nassbean]

Mhaya?

Maybe angade who knows

[Adamm]

Maybe angade who knows

Yeah, either one of the two or maybe Sje3 who settled there (they are also J1).

[Unknown European]

Country Report: Y-DNA Haplogroup J-Z1865
Paternal Origin*

Branch Participants
J-Z1865

Downstream Participants
J-Z1865 and Downstream (Excluding other Letters)

All Downstream Participants
J-Z1865 and Downstream (Including other Letters)
Distribution
Saudi Arabia 1 2,095 2,095 44.35%
Kuwait 0 302 302 6.39%
Iraq 0 291 291 6.16%
Yemen 0 203 203 4.30%
United Arab Emirates 0 202 202 4.28%
Qatar 0 118 118 2.50%
Egypt 0 84 84 1.78%
Algeria 0 80 80 1.69%
Libya 0 74 74 1.57%
Sudan 0 73 73 1.55%
Syrian Arab Republic 0 72 72 1.52%
Bahrain 0 69 69 1.46%
Ukraine 0 67 67 1.42%
Jordan 0 67 67 1.42%
Oman 0 64 64 1.35%
Poland 0 62 62 1.31%
Lebanon 0 58 58 1.23%
Italy 0 55 55 1.16%
Palestinian Territory 0 55 55 1.16%
Germany 0 54 54 1.14%
Turkey 0 50 50 1.06%
Spain 0 43 43 0.91%
Belarus 0 36 36 0.76%
Lithuania 0 32 32 0.68%
United States 0 31 31 0.66%
Morocco 0 31 31 0.66%
Tunisia 0 29 29 0.61%
England 0 27 27 0.57%
Russian Federation 0 26 26 0.55%
Iran 0 26 26 0.55%
Total 1 7,673 7,673 100.00%
Items per page:
10
21 - 30 of 80
* All origins are self-reported by the participants and may not reflect accurate haplogroup origins.

[Nassbean]

Country Report: Y-DNA Haplogroup J-Z1865
Paternal Origin*

Branch Participants
J-Z1865

Downstream Participants
J-Z1865 and Downstream (Excluding other Letters)

All Downstream Participants
J-Z1865 and Downstream (Including other Letters)
Distribution
Saudi Arabia 1 2,095 2,095 44.35%
Kuwait 0 302 302 6.39%
Iraq 0 291 291 6.16%
Yemen 0 203 203 4.30%
United Arab Emirates 0 202 202 4.28%
Qatar 0 118 118 2.50%
Egypt 0 84 84 1.78%
Algeria 0 80 80 1.69%
Libya 0 74 74 1.57%
Sudan 0 73 73 1.55%
Syrian Arab Republic 0 72 72 1.52%
Bahrain 0 69 69 1.46%
Ukraine 0 67 67 1.42%
Jordan 0 67 67 1.42%
Oman 0 64 64 1.35%
Poland 0 62 62 1.31%
Lebanon 0 58 58 1.23%
Italy 0 55 55 1.16%
Palestinian Territory 0 55 55 1.16%
Germany 0 54 54 1.14%
Turkey 0 50 50 1.06%
Spain 0 43 43 0.91%
Belarus 0 36 36 0.76%
Lithuania 0 32 32 0.68%
United States 0 31 31 0.66%
Morocco 0 31 31 0.66%
Tunisia 0 29 29 0.61%
England 0 27 27 0.57%
Russian Federation 0 26 26 0.55%
Iran 0 26 26 0.55%
Total 1 7,673 7,673 100.00%
Items per page:
10
21 - 30 of 80
* All origins are self-reported by the participants and may not reflect accurate haplogroup origins.

only 0.66% for Morocco ??! Wow I'm really lucky to have it

[Demhat]

I was a bit surprised but what does it really mean ? because i know a lot of north africans who take the y-dna really seriously ...

https://i.imgur.com/3p05VbR.png

Your yDNA subclade is downstream to J1a2b. It is typically found among Semitic-ancient Egyptians. Possibly from Phoenicians or Arab Bedouins.

[Demhat]

but does it only means that the founder of my paternal lineage was arab or does it mean more than that ?

yDNA means at least one of your ancestors was possibly Phoenician or Bedouin. However it doesn't mean you are Arab. Your aDNA is likely typical Northwest African.

[Nassbean]

yDNA means at least one of your ancestors was possibly Phoenician or Bedouin. However it doesn't mean you are Arab. Your aDNA is likely typical Northwest African.

if my ancestor is an arab from the XIth century does it means that on my paternal line I have no link with north africa's history before the XIth century ? Idk if you understand my question

[Demhat]

if my ancestor is an arab from the XIth century does it means that on my paternal line I have no link with north africa's history before the XIth century ? Idk if you understand my question

That's not how it works. As example your great grandfather was a "Bedouin" he marries your great grandmother. Your grandfather is born who is 50% Bedouin 50% Northwest African. Your grandfather paternal side marries another Berber. Your father is born. He is already 75% Berber and only 25% Bedouin, So genetically your father side is already more Berber than Bedoin but their Haplogroup still shows Bedoin J1a2b.

So would you say on your paternal side you had no contact with North Africans? I wouldn't say that because your paternal side with your father was already more connected to North African DNA.

On the other side the grandfather from your mothers side could have been a Bedoin. But it wouldn't show up as Haplogroup because you can't inherit yDNA from your mum.

I am pretty sure if you tested you tested even your grandfathers DNA he would come out very typical Northwest African. That one Semite ancestors must be further back the line.

Haplogroups can help allot on population genetics but not with single cases. But even at population genetics lvl. Haplogroups are not always a reliable factor. Since the frequency can be screwed but things like bottle neck or founder effect.

[Nassbean]

That's not how it works. As example your great grandfather was a "Bedouin" he marries your great grandmother. Your grandfather is born who is 50% Bedouin 50% Northwest African. Your grandfather paternal side marries another Berber. Your father is born. He is already 75% Berber and only 25% Bedouin, So genetically your father side is already more Berber than Bedoin but their Haplogroup still shows Bedoin J1a2b.

So would you say on your paternal side you had no contact with North Africans? I wouldn't say that because your paternal side with your father was already more connected to North African DNA.

On the other side the grandfather from your mothers side could have been a Bedoin. But it wouldn't show up as Haplogroup because you can't inherit yDNA from your mum.

I am pretty sure if you tested you tested even your grandfathers DNA he would come out very typical Northwest African. That one Semite ancestors must be further back the line.

Haplogroups can help allot on population genetics but not with single cases. But even at population genetics lvl. Haplogroups are not always a reliable factor. Since the frequency can be screwed but things like bottle neck or founder effect.

No I'm aware of this you didn't really understand my question I meant that The man who brought this paternal lineage was arab and came during the XIth century which means that on this particular line before the XIth century my ancestors lived in the middle east not north africa (I'm aware that on my maternal side I'm north african and that I've plenty of other north african ancestors but I'm only focusing on one lineage)

[Kamal900]

It's very likely Arabian in origins since more than 90% of the J1 carriers in North Africa is from the Arabian peninsula according to Semitic Duwa from Anthrogenica. I mean, it's not surprising given on the fact that there were Arabian Bedouins who would have mixed and assimilated to the native Berber culture and identity similar in Copts and Nubians as well.

[Kamal900]

No I'm aware of this you didn't really understand my question I meant that The man who brought this paternal lineage was arab and came during the XIth century which means that on this particular line before the XIth century my ancestors lived in the middle east not north africa (I'm aware that on my maternal side I'm north african and that I've plenty of other north african ancestors but I'm only focusing on one lineage)

Lol, there is an Austrian member on Anthrogenica who has the J1-P58 haplogroup which the clade he belonged to is very commonly found in Yemen despite his autosomal DNA is central European.

[Unknown European]

He may have had a distant Jewish ancestor but he would not be a Jew himself if he was autosomaly Central European. Jews inflated the presence of typically Semitic Lineages across Europe. So for example the small presence of Nassbeans Subclade in Ukraine, Spain, Italy, Germany, Poland, Belarus, Lithuania, Russia etc is likely to do with them or others because This chart I posted only shows the countries where they were from not there ethnicity for example Samples from Romania might not always be from ethnic Romanians they could be from Hungarians, Ukrainians, Ashkenazis, Gypsies, Germans, and others