R1b-L21 Panel: my results

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

So I did a R1b-L21 superclade orientation panel and this is what I got so far:


Positive for:

S521 C+
DF13 C+
CTS241 C+
Z39589 del+

Negative for:

DF49 G-
L1335 A-
DF41 T-
Z251 G-

Processing (should get this batch results this week):

S1051 processing
CTS1751 processing
S1026 processing
Z16500 processing


I will keep updating as I get new allele results.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

https://i.postimg.cc/wjnm0Tvy/SNPTracker-map.png (https://postimg.cc/Hr4nLmbd)

https://i.postimg.cc/0QsJ1W79/SNPTracker-migration.png (https://postimg.cc/WD54M79y)


https://i.postimg.cc/W3g6Mqw1/Opera-Instant-neo-2019-04-30-143935-scaledinnovation-com.png

[Morena]

Well, I can't contribute much but congrats on your results. They are interesting.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Well, I can't contribute much but congrats on your results. They are interesting.

Thanks. They are not done yet, YSEQ will continue testing every week until the most downstream branch is to be found. It is only completed when the unique phylogenetic position on the tree has been determined.

So far I still know as much as I knew before but as I get positive markers for new alleles hopefully I will get to know more about my haplogroup's path to Iberia.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

That was quick, I got positive for S1051.

Positive for:

S1051 T+

Processing:

FGC17906 processing
FGC17938 processing
S1050 processing

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

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[Sp_loa]

Keep us updated!!!

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

https://i.postimg.cc/fyM990k2/Screenshot-2019-04-30-21-02-20-576-com-android-chrome.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/B6TFbCZP/Screenshot-2019-04-30-21-13-11-109-com-android-chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/JDh0dZkR)

[Dick]

Congrats so what does this all mean?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Congrats so what does this all mean?

So far not much, with the current allele my oldest paternal ancestor seems to be from nearby Wales. They are still testing to find out the most downstream branch in the tree. Hopefully when I get my final results it will be clear from which root it reached Portugal.

[Graham]

R1b-L21 hasn't been found outside of the Brit Isles in ancient samples. Makes it interesting knowing how they got about and why they migrated.

[Not a Cop]

British Armanda influence obviously:cool:

[Graham]

So far not much, with the current allele my oldest paternal ancestor seems to be from nearby Wales. They are still testing to find out the most downstream branch in the tree. Hopefully when I get my final results it will be clear from which root it reached Portugal.

Can they date that?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Can they date that?

Hopefully if I have a very specific clade. There are many ways how it could have reached the peninsula. One hypothesis:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Britonia6hcentury.png

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

R1b-L21 hasn't been found outside of the Brit Isles in ancient samples. Makes it interesting knowing how they got about and why they migrated.

If I am not mistaken Visigoth samples that came out in the latest study had a few individuals who carried RL21.

[Artek]

There seem to be few samples of Iberian background under this SNP: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S1051/

Notice the tightly related Portuguese cluster that dates to Black Death with a Scot upstream.

[Dick]

There seem to be few samples of Iberian background under this SNP: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S1051/

Notice the tightly related Portuguese cluster that dates to Black Death with a Scot upstream.

So it's from a british tourist that visited Portugal

[Artek]

So it's from a british tourist that visited Portugal

Maybe it is related with participance of Brits in Reconquista ;). You know, fighting tourists. Or horny seamen :DD

[Hyoga7]

Hopefully if I have a very specific clade. There are many ways how it could have reached the peninsula. One hypothesis:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Britonia6hcentury.png

Brás, is this the YSEQ you were talking about?

I'll consider doing it at the end of the year.
It might be interesting to also know how my L21 reached Portugal.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Brás, is this the YSEQ you were talking about?

I'll consider doing it at the end of the year.
It might be interesting to also know how my L21 reached Portugal.

Yes, I did the YSEQ L21 panel. It was what they recommended me after contacting them. Final results should come during this week or the next one hopefully.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

There seem to be few samples of Iberian background under this SNP: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S1051/

Notice the tightly related Portuguese cluster that dates to Black Death with a Scot upstream.

Not a single one from Spain though, interesting. Seems to be heavily related with Portugueses.

[Artek]

Not a single one from Spain though, interesting. Seems to be heavily related with Portugueses.

Portuguese, especially these from Azores are overrepresented for a reason. One enthusiast and professional genealogist is doing testing there, the many Big Ys were being ordered and then the raw data sent to YFull.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Portuguese, especially these from Azores are overrepresented for a reason. One enthusiast and professional genealogist is doing testing there, the many Big Ys were being ordered and then the raw data sent to YFull.

Is he testing only L21 individuals or all haplogroups?

[Artek]

Is he testing only L21 individuals or all haplogroups?
He picks what may be necessary for his own research or clients. Many haplogroups are considered, I think that DF27 is much more frequent among the tested. He also manages testing of some rare cases from variety of other haplogroups, including T, I1 and R1a as well.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Got positive for FGC17906 today.

So far: R-L21/R-DF13/R-S1051/R-FGC17906

Final results approaching.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

https://i.postimg.cc/26D41zhn/Screenshot-2019-05-08-19-10-22-958-com-android-chrome.jpg

One thing I know for sure by now: whichever SNP I get under FGC17906 is almost exclusively related to Portuguese individuals. Seems to confirm my initial thoughts.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Positive for R-FGC17880 (FGC17907). Taking forever to get my final results.

[Sp_loa]

Not a single one from Spain though, interesting. Seems to be heavily related with Portugueses.

R-L21 in Iberia seem to be only among North-central Portuguese and Galicians..
are the Britonic settlements of Galicia the only explanation?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

R-L21 in Iberia seem to be only among North-central Portuguese and Galicians..
are the Britonic settlements of Galicia the only explanation?

It can be found all across our territory, islands included. In fact, all the Portuguese samples under L21/S1051/FGC17906 on the YTree so far are from the Azores.

How it was firstly introduced in the peninsula I am not sure though, there are many hypothesis.

[Morena]

It can be found all across our territory, islands included. In fact, all the Portuguese samples under L21/S1051/FGC17906 on the YTree so far are from the Azores.

How it was firstly introduced in the peninsula I am not sure though, there are many hypothesis.

Merry sailors. ;)

[Morena]

Double posts. Double posts everywhere.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Finally got my YSEQ results. Turns out that my final haplogroup is R1b-FGC17866.
All known downstream branches have been confirmed negative.

Results summary:

R1b-L21
DF13 C+
Z39589 del+
DF49 G-
L1335 A-
DF41 T-
Z251 G-
S1051 T+
FGC17906 C+
FGC17938 G-
S1050 C-
FGC17907 G+
FGC19454 C-
FGC17866 A+
FGC17898 C-
FGC17897 C-

[Sp_loa]

Finally got my YSEQ results. Turns out that my final haplogroup is R1b-FGC17866.
All known downstream branches have been confirmed negative.

Results summary:

R1b-L21
DF13 C+
Z39589 del+
DF49 G-
L1335 A-
DF41 T-
Z251 G-
S1051 T+
FGC17906 C+
FGC17938 G-
S1050 C-
FGC17907 G+
FGC19454 C-
FGC17866 A+
FGC17898 C-
FGC17897 C-

Just checked this thread 10 minutes ago.. I waited to see your final subclade. Are all members of this subclade Portuguese?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Just checked this thread 10 minutes ago.. I waited to see your final subclade. Are all members of this subclade Portuguese?

As far as I am concerned I am the only known person to have this specific SNP so far. If we climb down the ladder and check SNP FGC17906 (which I am also positive for), yes, all known case studies so far happen to be Portuguese with the exception of a Scottish individual.

https://i.postimg.cc/26D41zhn/Screenshot-2019-05-08-19-10-22-958-com-android-chrome.jpg

[Graham]

So your R-L21 comes from a scots migrant being the oldest? if so how long ago is that dated?

Can make sense of it at least from this side and our timeline.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

So your R-L21 comes from a scots migrant being the oldest? if so how long ago is that dated?

Can make sense of it at least from this side and our timeline.

Not necessarily, if we recede on the YTree ladder you will see that even under S1051 there's a Portuguese individual:

https://i.imgur.com/RWz0551.png

And an Irishman, a British, a Frenchman and an American...hard to pin point how it was introduced in the region.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

So your R-L21 comes from a scots migrant being the oldest? if so how long ago is that dated?

Can make sense of it at least from this side and our timeline.

"The majority of this family group have 5 main Patriarch SNP's (S1051, FGC9655, FGC9661, FGC9658 and FGC9657). The current age estimate for these Patriarch SNP's is approximately 3,200 to 4,500 years old and likely originated within what is known as the Bell Beaker culture. When examining other haplogroups of a similar age the S1051 people are very few by comparison.

Evidence suggests that the geographic origin of this family group could have been from what is now modern Scotland."

[JohnN]

Hi We have somewhat similar Haplogroups, I am S1051 > FGC17906 > FGC17907. Interested in your map showing cluster in Portugal & south France, what is source?
Do you have any conections to Azores? FGC17906 has cluster in West Scotland and Azores, perhaps from Scottish traders had contact with Azores.
Also interested in your Welsh connection and Danish links.
John N

[Rocinante]

Nice Bras. So guess all the L21 in Iberia always fall in DF13 branch, i might be DF13 as well.