How much Turkmen ancestry do Anatolian Turks have?

[Mingle]

I thought it would be in the 40% range, but its barely half of that based on what I get with G25. Maybe it has to do with the components?

Most Turks live in ex-Greek Anatolian territories, so it makes sense to use an Anatolian Greek sample. Since the Greek is from Central Anatolia, I'm using a Turk from Central Anatolia (Kayseri) as well. So them getting Anatolian Greek at a high amount makes sense, but they also get a decent amount of Armenian. The high Armenian is surprising and I have trouble explaining it since the Kurds nowadays live in ex-Armenian territories of Turkey.

For comparison, I used the Anatolia Ottoman sample. Its pretty much purely Turkmen with 1-2% other components likely being noise or just a slight insignificant western shift.


"sample": "Anatolia_Ottoman:Average",
"fit": 2.7788,
"Turkmen": 97.5,
"Armenian": 1.67,
"Greek_Central_Anatolia": 0.83,

Now using Kayseri Turks:


"sample": "Turkish_Kayseri:Average",
"fit": 0.5803,
"Armenian": 38.33,
"Greek_Central_Anatolia": 38.33,
"Turkmen": 23.33,

The fit is really good as well.

When adding Persians, the fit seems to improve:


"sample": "Turkish_Kayseri:Average",
"fit": 0.8732,
"Greek_Central_Anatolia": 45,
"Iranian_Fars": 24.17,
"Turkmen": 16.67,
"Armenian": 14.17,

The fit slightly decreases but its still fairly good. They get Greek Anatolian at 40% which makes sense but then the Iranian Fars and Armenian percentages tend be high for whatever reason. The Turkmen average decreases a bit but not radically so.

So do modern Anatolian Turks have a lot of Armenian ancestry? If not, then what's up with G25 showing them as having a lot of it? And how much Turkmen ancestry do they have? If someone has a suggestion for better components, then share it.

[Thambi]

I think western turks get more central asian mix than central/eastern turks or istanbul turks. close to 40% central asian mix actually.

Istanbul and Central Kayseri turks seem to be around 20% similar to what you pointed out above.

Istanbul turks seem quite greek shifted instead. No sue why istanbul turks are getting 11% persian mix while the others get nothing

"Turkish_Balikesir:Average",
"fit": 1.0246,
"Turkmen": 38.33,
"Greek": 32.5,
"Armenian": 29.17,
"Iranian_Persian": 0,

"Turkish_Istanbul:Average",
"fit": 0.3528,
"Greek": 43.33,
"Armenian": 24.17,
"Turkmen": 21.67,
"Iranian_Persian": 10.83

Turkish_Kayseri:Average",
"fit": 0.4452,
"Armenian": 63.33,
"Turkmen": 21.67,
"Greek": 15,
"Iranian_Persian": 0

[Mingle]

I think western turks get more central asian mix than central/eastern turks or istanbul turks. close to 40% central asian mix actually.

Istanbul and Central Kayseri turks seem to be around 20% similar to what you pointed out above.

Istanbul turks seem quite greek shifted instead. No sue why istanbul turks are getting 11% persian mix while the others get nothing

"Turkish_Balikesir:Average",
"fit": 1.0246,
"Turkmen": 38.33,
"Greek": 32.5,
"Armenian": 29.17,
"Iranian_Persian": 0,

"Turkish_Istanbul:Average",
"fit": 0.3528,
"Greek": 43.33,
"Armenian": 24.17,
"Turkmen": 21.67,
"Iranian_Persian": 10.83

Turkish_Kayseri:Average",
"fit": 0.4452,
"Armenian": 63.33,
"Turkmen": 21.67,
"Greek": 15,
"Iranian_Persian": 0

"Iranian_Persian" is a bit eastern shifted, I'd use "Iranian_Fars" or even "Iranian_Lor".

For west coast Turks, you should use a Greek Islander sample (like Cretans). And for Central Anatolian Turks, you should use Anatolian Greeks instead.

All the Turkish samples on G25 were from the west coast, Istanbul, or Kayseri. I didn't choose the west coast ones since they were from the far western part of Turkey and didn't think they'd represent the average. Istanbul is metropolitan and also in the far west so didn't choose it either. Since Kayseri is in the middle of Turkey, I chose it. Its true that western Turks have more Turkmen blood, but I thought Kayseri would be better representative of the Turkish average and I was too lazy to model Turks from other regions and wanted to choose one.

But anyways, in your runs, they also get very high Armenian. I thought Anatolian Turks were mostly a somewhat even mishmash of Anatolian Greeks and Turkmens, but it seems to be more complicated than that.

[Kaspias]

-Anatolia Ottoman sample is an outlier and can't be used as a reference for Oghuz's. It is not much likely to Oghuz's carry that amount of East Eurasian. This sample has O haplogroup which is again not much likely for Oghuz's. This sample has no South Asian which makes impossible he had an Oghuz background.
-Using both Turkmen and Iran together will cause overfit. I don't think we can detect the exact Iranian admixture which occurred in Medieval age during migration until finding a proper Oghuz sample.
-Armenian reference only can be used in Eastern Anatolia as a reference. In other parts, there were no direct Turk-Armenian interbreeding but Greek speaker Anatolian mixing. They were definitely Eastern(Caucasian) shifted but they were not Armenians. In this sense using Georgian_Imer as a reference point to represent a Caucasian shift will be the best solution.


Western Anatolia:

Turkish_Istanbul: 0.7873

Balkanic-Aegean 53.33
Turkic 27.5
Caucasian 19.17

Turkish_Aydin: 1.4531

Balkanic-Aegean 42.35
Turkic 39.17
Caucasian 18.33


Turkish_Balikesir: 1.2226

Balkanic-Aegean 42.5
Turkic 42.5
Caucasian 15


Central Anatolia:


Turkish_Kayseri: 2.0281

Balkanic-Aegean 40
Caucasian 33.33
Turkic 26.67


South Anatolia:


Turkish_Adana:2.0433

Balkanic-Aegean 39.17
Turkic 31.67
Caucasian 29.17


North Anatolia:

Turkish_Trabzon 3.0954

Caucasian 66.67
Balkanic-Aegean 33.33


Ottomans:



Anatolia_Ottoman: 1.7641

Turkic 85.83
Balkanic-Aegean 9.17
Caucasian 2.5
Eastern Balkans 2.5


Greeks:


Greek_Central_Anatolia: 3.7606

Balkanic-Aegean 58.33
Caucasian 41.67


Greek_Trabzon: 2.7124

Caucasian 71.67
Balkanic-Aegean 28.33


Greek_Crete: 2.6698

Balkanic-Aegean 82.5
Caucasian 17.5


Greek_Mainland-Average: 0.1314

Balkanic-Aegean 87.5
Eastern Balkans 9.17
Caucasian 3.33


Ancient (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?285906-G25-Ancient-results-of-Turkish-samples)

[Tigranes]

:popcorn:

[Marmara]

For Greek samples you should use Cappadocian Greeks. What you refer as Anatolian Greek is genetically pretty much identical with Greek Islanders with slight Eastern shift. Kayseri is in the Cappadocia region.

[Marmara]

For west coast Turks, you should use a Greek Islander sample (like Cretans). And for Central Anatolian Turks, you should use Anatolian Greeks instead.

Anatolian Greek samples are already from Western Anatolia, and they are heavily mixed with Greek Islanders (in fact, most of their ancestry comes from Islander immigrants)

[Karaton]

The Kayseri samples on G25 are academic samples and are like 5-6% East Eurasian admixed, not very represantative for the region.

[Kaspias]

For Greek samples you should use Cappadocian Greeks. What you refer as Anatolian Greek is genetically pretty much identical with Greek Islanders with slight Eastern shift. Kayseri is in the Cappadocia region.

https://i.ibb.co/BP6dnXV/Ads-z.png


Anatolian Greek samples are already from Western Anatolia, and they are heavily mixed with Greek Islanders (in fact, most of their ancestry comes from Islander immigrants)

Greek_Central_Anatolia

[Thracian]

I believe that using modern Turkmens as reference for Anatolian and Balkan Turks is not true. Obviously, ancestors of modern Turkmens mixed with Persians (they are more Iranic than Turkic). Many modern Turks do not have South Asian (which is Iranic). So, the modern Turkmens may have totally different autosomal DNA than Turks who came to Anatolia.

One of the Ottoman sample was most likely a Mongolian. The date for him is matching with Mongolian invasion of Anatolia.

On the other hand, Anatolian_IA can be used as reference. S/he has definitely Asian ancestry. They didn't do a C-14 test for her/him. So, her/his actual date could be different than 300 BCE.

[Marmara]

https://i.ibb.co/BP6dnXV/Ads-z.png



Greek_Central_Anatolia

Oops, sorry.

By the way, i believe Afghan Turkmen is more representative for Oghuz invaders, since they are purer. Turkmens are (further) mixed with Iranics.

[Thracian]

Oops, sorry.

By the way, i believe Afghan Turkmen is more representative for Oghuz invaders, since they are purer. Turkmens are (further) mixed with Iranics.

How do you know that they are purer? Do they live in isolated areas like mountains etc?

[Karaton]

How do you know that they are purer? Do they live in isolated areas like mountains etc?

They are around 30% East Eurasian Admixed. Maybe not "purer" but a better proxy for mediveal Oghuz Turks.

[Marmara]

How do you know that they are purer? Do they live in isolated areas like mountains etc?

I don't know why but they clearly have less Iranic ancestry. Turkmen samples have very low Mongoloid and very high South Asian, which indicates increased Iranic ancestry therefore they can't be proxy for Oghuz invaders.

Oghuzes didn't move Anatolia from Turkmenistan, Turkmenistan was back then settled by iranics.

[Thracian]

They are around 30% East Eurasian Admixed. Maybe not "purer" but a better proxy for mediveal Oghuz Turks.

It makes sense. Two of Gokturk samples had around 30 and 40% East Euroasian as well.

[Thracian]

I don't know why but they clearly have less Iranic ancestry. Turkmen samples have very low Mongoloid and very high South Asian, which indicates increased Iranic ancestry therefore they can't be proxy for Oghuz invaders.

Oghuzes didn't move Anatolia from Turkmenistan, Turkmenistan was back then settled by iranics.

I agree with that. Turkmens are more Iranic than Mongoloid for sure and that's why they can not be reference for Turks in Anatolia and Balkans.

[21993]

Just a guess: 50 percent.

[Karaton]

Btw, there will be new Turkish averages on G25 soon based on individual samples. They'll give better results.

[21993]

Just a guess: 50 percent.

[Kamal900]

They're around 50% central asiatic genetically on average while the rest is Anatolian.

[Kaspias]

It makes sense. Two of Gokturk samples had around 30 and 40% East Euroasian as well.

Well if we take Göktürk samples to the comparison Oghuz's must be around 25-30%.

https://i.ibb.co/M1Spxqk/Ads-z.png

[lonewolfcypriot]

https://i.ibb.co/BP6dnXV/Ads-z.png



Greek_Central_Anatolia

Is the higher North European admixture in Turks from mixing with Scythian in Central Asia?

[Kaspias]

Is the higher North European admixture in Turks from mixing with Scythian in Central Asia?

Turks were already part of Scythians. Besides medieval mixing with Iranics and Steppe people, Turks already have been carrying both Steppe and Iranic admixture since their existence.

[Kamal900]

Is the higher North European admixture in Turks from mixing with Scythian in Central Asia?

The Oghuz Turks at least have had high Iranic and steppe admixture from the local PIE populace of Asia, so yeah.

[Thracian]

Well if we take Göktürk samples to the comparison Oghuz's must be around 25-30%.

https://i.ibb.co/M1Spxqk/Ads-z.png

I agree with you. They should be around 25% and less Iranic.

[Gangrel]

Ranges from 0% (Trabzon 'Turks') to 75% (Certain Yoruks) depending on region and background.

[Token]

105%

[Voskos]

40-50% for ethnic turks.

[lonewolfcypriot]

Modern day Turkish people are more Turkic than Modern day Greek Cypriots are Hellenic.

[Mingle]

They are around 30% East Eurasian Admixed. Maybe not "purer" but a better proxy for mediveal Oghuz Turks.Yeah, I was aware of them. I wanted to use them but they weren't in the G25 database. I tried using both Uzbeks and Turkmens but they seemed to get almost 0 Uzbek when I used them both. So I then decided to use Turkmen. Turkmen and Anatolia Ottoman seem to be genetically identical so I thought it was safe to assume this was the best sample from G25, but others in this thread are saying that it's an outlier. Would Uzbek be better than Turkmen even though using Turkmen causes a better fit?

[Mingle]

-Anatolia Ottoman sample is an outlier and can't be used as a reference for Oghuz's. It is not much likely to Oghuz's carry that amount of East Eurasian. This sample has O haplogroup which is again not much likely for Oghuz's. This sample has no South Asian which makes impossible he had an Oghuz background.
-Using both Turkmen and Iran together will cause overfit. I don't think we can detect the exact Iranian admixture which occurred in Medieval age during migration until finding a proper Oghuz sample.
-Armenian reference only can be used in Eastern Anatolia as a reference. In other parts, there were no direct Turk-Armenian interbreeding but Greek speaker Anatolian mixing. They were definitely Eastern(Caucasian) shifted but they were not Armenians. In this sense using Georgian_Imer as a reference point to represent a Caucasian shift will be the best solution.




Ancient (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?285906-G25-Ancient-results-of-Turkish-samples)

Thanks. So what samples would you use?

Georgian_Imer, Uzbek, and Central Anatolia Greek? Or something else?

Would you say the high Armenian is also just overfitting? If so, then I guess we won't either know how much (it any) Armenian blood they have. I don't expect them to have much if any Iranian, but used them cause they seemed to improve the fit and thought of the possibility of them having minor Kurdish/Persian admix.

[Voskos]

Modern day Turkish people are more Turkic than Modern day Greek Cypriots are Hellenic.

Depends how you define hellenic. Cypriots have been speaking Greek for thousands of years, whilst in the case of anatolian turks, the non-turkic part was recent admixture.

[lonewolfcypriot]

Depends how you define hellenic. Cypriots have been speaking Greek for thousands of years, whilst in the case of anatolian turks, the non-turkic part was recent admixture.

Greek Cypriots are usually 5-10% Hellenic

[Mingle]

Greek Cypriots are usually 5-10% HellenicAnd how Turkic are Greek Cypriots? I guess it would be in slightly lower amounts.

[Voskos]

Greek Cypriots are usually 5-10% Hellenic

What do you mean by hellenic? I know you're probably trolling but Hellenic as DNA doesn't even exist since we're talking about a couple of cities in Central Greece that dominated the whole aegean region and imposed themselves on aboriginals like cretans/cypriots/thracians/epirots/anatolians etc.

[lonewolfcypriot]

And how Turkic are Greek Cypriots? I guess it would be in slightly lower amounts.

0%

[lonewolfcypriot]

What do you mean by hellenic? I know you're probably trolling but Hellenic as DNA doesn't even exist since we're talking about a couple of cities in Central Greece that dominated the whole aegean region and imposed themselves on aboriginals like cretans/cypriots/thracians/epirots/anatolians etc.
You know exactly what I mean, your just dodging the question.

[Gangrel]

And how Turkic are Greek Cypriots? I guess it would be in slightly lower amounts.

Depends if they moved in the past few decades or not. There is a lot of Yoruk families in Cyprus that moved in the 70s

[Bornoz]

Anatolian Turks are basically mix of Oghuz invaders coming from Central Asia and Greek speaking Anatolians of Eastern Rome that were something else before.
Simple as that. Close the case

[Voskos]

You know exactly what I mean, your just dodging the question.

We estimated FST of Bronze Age populations with present-day West Eurasians, finding that Mycenaeans are least differentiated from populations from Greece, Cyprus, Albania, and Italy (Fig. 2), part of a general pattern in which Bronze Age populations broadly resemble present-day inhabitants from the same region

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5565772/

[dosas]

Greek Cypriots are usually 5-10% Hellenic

Turkish Cypriot results, 54%ish Greek:


https://youtu.be/MpCOIDYmUCw

Greek Cypriot results, 48%ish Greek:


https://youtu.be/ZNUt8fVSNQA

Random picks from youtube, your argument is null.

Next.

[lonewolfcypriot]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5565772/

doesn't mean anything. Cypriots are predominantly West Asian/MENA with minor South Euro

[lonewolfcypriot]

Turkish Cypriot results, 54%ish Greek:


https://youtu.be/MpCOIDYmUCw

Greek Cypriot results, 48%ish Greek:


https://youtu.be/ZNUt8fVSNQA

Random picks from youtube, your argument is null.

Next.
Check other DNA companies.

[Bornoz]

Turkish Cypriot results, 54%ish Greek:


https://youtu.be/MpCOIDYmUCw

Greek Cypriot results, 48%ish Greek:


https://youtu.be/ZNUt8fVSNQA

Random picks from youtube, your argument is null.

Next.

I am not saying lonewolfcypriot is right but I think you deserve to know that MyHeritage is not a source that you should trust when the topic is genetics

It is basically funny to post a MyHeritage video to support your claim. Just to let you know

[dosas]

Check other DNA companies.

Using as extrapolation my own results, Myheritage VS 23andme VS FTDNA (I tested with all three), the difference between populations are usually between 5%-10%, but the populations are the same.

You can check my post history for proof.

Your argument is null, come again.

[dosas]

I am not saying lonewolfcypriot is right but I think you deserve to know that MyHeritage is not a source that you should trust when the topic is genetics

It is basically funny to post a MyHeritage video to support your claim. Just to let you know

You are wrong. I am right.

Myheritage uses FTDNA chip and their results are consistent with the other companies, minus or plus a few percents.

[Mingle]

Anatolian Turks are basically mix of Oghuz invaders coming from Central Asia and Greek speaking Anatolians of Eastern Rome that were something else before.
Simple as that. Close the caseThis is pretty obvious. The question is how much percentages of those components they have.

[dosas]

snip

If you think 10%ish is cause for uproar, then more power to you. Myheritage raw data is top notch and much better than a lot of others.

You try to discredit the source to invalidate my argument, but it's you who rely on hearsay, I have experience of extensive testing for all my family with 3 companies and their results are consistent with said minor differences.

edit: sorry I quoted the wrong person.

[lonewolfcypriot]

Using as extrapolation my own results, Myheritage VS 23andme VS FTDNA (I tested with all three), the difference between populations are usually between 5%-10%, but the populations are the same.

You can check my post history for proof.

Your argument is null, come again.

Go on Ancestry, 23 and me or any other well established company. You will see what I'm talking about. It is usually 10%. Go look at K15 PCA.

[Voskos]

doesn't mean anything. Cypriots are predominantly West Asian/MENA with minor South Euro

They score high east med, which itself must be some sort of south euro- west asian mix. And on top of that they score a lot of west med, in some cases higher than Greeks.

[lonewolfcypriot]

They score high east med, which itself must be some sort of south euro- west asian mix. And on top of that they score a lot of west med, in some cases higher than Greeks.

cope, they do not score higher West Med than mainlanders. I've seen the data.

[dosas]

Go on Ancestry, 23 and me or any other well established company. You will see what I'm talking about. It is usually 10%. Go look at K15 PCA.

I already proved you wrong. You are pulling stuff out of your butt, and now base your argument on hearsay, 'go and see'.

I have gone and I have seen, I have spend more than 1k+ euros on various tests for my immediate and close family. Myheritage results are consistent with 23and me, MINUS OR PLUS 10%.

Do you understand english or do I need to draw it for you?

That Turkish or Greek Cypriot would score +-10% Greek on 23andme, that changes nothing to my argument and it demolishes yours when you say that Cypriots score 10% Hellenic on average.

Ok, boy?

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

30-50%.

[Bornoz]

You are wrong. I am right.

Myheritage uses FTDNA chip and their results are consistent with the other companies, minus or plus a few percents.

Yeah yeah..
Sure
I just warned you to not to disgrace yourself around. It would not be a major problem though ever since most of TA is equally ignorrant on geneics

[Karaton]

Yeah, I was aware of them. I wanted to use them but they weren't in the G25 database. I tried using both Uzbeks and Turkmens but they seemed to get almost 0 Uzbek when I used them both. So I then decided to use Turkmen. Turkmen and Anatolia Ottoman seem to be genetically identical so I thought it was safe to assume this was the best sample from G25, but others in this thread are saying that it's an outlier. Would Uzbek be better than Turkmen even though using Turkmen causes a better fit?

You used Turkmens and Iranians at the same time, which gives you overfit since Turkmens have already Iranian mix. If you use irrelevant combination of pops. like those above you'll get overfit. This doesn't mean it's a better modelling. You should be picky.


There are 2 Ottoman samples, one of them is outlier and doesn't fit anywhere. Choose the other one if you want to use it.

[dosas]

Yeah yeah..
Sure
I just warned you to not to disgrace yourself around. It would not be a major problem though ever since most of TA is equally ignorrant on geneics

You are retarded, which is typical of your political beliefs and the symbol you carry shamelessly.

Your opinion is duly noted and discarded as worthless.

[Voskos]

cope, they do not score higher west Med than mainlanders. I've seen the data.

Listen suleiman, you need to stop trolling at some point. Here's an ancestrydna result of a Cypriot.

https://i.redd.it/gsq0370k7at01.png

[lonewolfcypriot]

I already proved you wrong. You are pulling stuff out of your butt, and now base your argument on hearsay, 'go and see'.

I have gone and I have seen, I have spend more than 1k+ euros on various tests for my immediate and close family. Myheritage results are consistent with 23and me, MINUS OR PLUS 10%.

Do you understand english or do I need to draw it for you?

That Turkish or Greek Cypriot would score +-10% Greek on 23andme, that changes nothing to my argument and it demolishes yours when you say that Cypriots score 10% Hellenic on average.

Ok, boy?

not really

[Karaton]

You are retarded, which is typical of your political beliefs and the symbol you carry shamelessly.

Your opinion is duly noted and discarded as worthless.

Do not ruin the thread with your stupid Myheritage stuff. Go play somewhere else.

[dosas]

Do not ruin the thread with your stupid Myheritage stuff. Go play somewhere else.

No.

[lonewolfcypriot]

You are retarded, which is typical of your political beliefs and the symbol you carry shamelessly.

Your opinion is duly noted and discarded as worthless.

chill out dude, he was agreeing with you.

[Bornoz]

This is pretty obvious. The question is how much percentages of those components they have.

It would be better to examine examples instead of asking plebs of TA about that.

[dosas]

Listen suleiman, you need to stop trolling at some point. Here's an ancestrydna result of a Cypriot.

https://i.redd.it/gsq0370k7at01.png

"But how is that possible? I thought the Greek Cypriots only scored above 10% Greek with Myheritage and no other company", said the retarded commie Turk.

[lonewolfcypriot]

"But how is that possible? I thought the Greek Cypriots only scored above 10% Greek with Myheritage and no other company", said the retarded commie Turk.

This was before Ancestry updated itself. Now you will only see GCs score around 10%

[dosas]

This was before Ancestry updated itself. Now you will only see GCs score around 10%

This is the point where you bring proof, boy.

[Voskos]

This was before Ancestry updated itself. Now you will only see GCs score around 10%

What makes you think any of these tests is accurate? I'm fully Greek for example and all these companies give me an italian score higher than the greek.

[lonewolfcypriot]

Something like this
https://live.staticflickr.com/7920/45927475394_1b9a7918a2_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2cYsjm3)virgin (https://flic.kr/p/2cYsjm3) by Greek Tears (https://www.flickr.com/photos/160785594@N06/), on Flickr

[Bornoz]

You are retarded, which is typical of your political beliefs and the symbol you carry shamelessly.

Your opinion is duly noted and discarded as worthless.

LOOOL

Go play somewhere else sweety.

[Bornoz]

chill out dude, he was agreeing with you.

I was not agreeing with that son of a cunt. That unedutaced villager posted a MyHeritage and I warned him.

After that he proved that he is a pleb again. He is not a guy that someone who is aware of himself and genetics can agree with :lol:

[dosas]

Something like this
https://live.staticflickr.com/7920/45927475394_1b9a7918a2_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2cYsjm3)virgin (https://flic.kr/p/2cYsjm3) by Greek Tears (https://www.flickr.com/photos/160785594@N06/), on Flickr

I am looking at the results of a person named Levent Yildiz, yes? Do you want to explain, further, it does not compute.

[dosas]

I was not agreeing with that son of a cunt. That unedutaced villager posted a MyHeritage and I warned him.
After that he proved that he is a pleb again.

You butthurt, faggot? Why react with swearing? Is your jay-jay hurting, you commie cuck?

[lonewolfcypriot]

I am looking at the results of a person named Levent Yildiz, yes? Do you want to explain, further, it does not compute.
the one on the left is me, the one on the right is a TC but a C nevertheless

[Bornoz]

Lul
Go catch some butterflies darlin

[dosas]

the one on the left is me, the one on the right is a TC but a C nevertheless

Ok, and that proves what exactly? That Greek Cypriots have 10% Greek score on average like you claimed earlier?

[Dorian]

Modern day Turkish people are more Turkic than Modern day Greek Cypriots are Hellenic.

Cyprus is part of the Greek world as long as the rest of Greece is,same applies to Anatolian ones.You could as well call the "mainlanders+islands" Hellenized Pelasgians+Eteocretans lol ,plus the last two probably didn't receive the "protoGreek" ones(whatever they were) but "hellenized aboriginals".

[lonewolfcypriot]

Ok, and that proves what exactly? That Greek Cypriots have 10% Greek score on average like you claimed earlier?

no, but it should give you an overview of what I'm talking about. I got 7 more but what's the point.

[dosas]

Lul
Go catch some butterflies darlin

Carry on, it's hilarious. The 'macho' routine is so believable with someone carrying a hammer and sickle (CUCKS INTERNATIONAL) above their avatar.

Leftist piece of shit.

I thought your faggot papa Marx said 'nations' are constructs of the ruling classes to enslave the working man, why are you here on an anthro forum talking about genetics? Feeling particular self-hateful, today?

[lonewolfcypriot]

Carry on, it's hilarious. The 'macho' routine is so believable with someone carrying a hammer and sickle (CUCKS INTERNATIONAL) above their avatar.

Leftist piece of shit.

I thought your faggot papa Marx said 'nations' are constructs of the ruling classes to enslave the working man, why are you here on an anthro forum talking about genetics? Feeling particular self-hateful, today?

stop being a malaka to my friend or I'm selling your island to Merkel

[Bornoz]

Carry on, it's hilarious. The 'macho' routine is so believable with someone carrying a hammer and sickle (CUCKS INTERNATIONAL) above their avatar.

Leftist piece of shit.

I thought your faggot papa Marx said 'nations' are constructs of the ruling classes to enslave the working man, why are you here on an anthro forum talking about genetics? Feeling particular self-hateful, today?

https://media.giphy.com/media/1PgPvWLfXGkCY/giphy.gif

[Kaspias]

Another nice thread ruined...

[lonewolfcypriot]

Another nice thread ruined...

sorry about that, It was dosas. If he wasn't a malaka this thread wouldn't of been ruined

[dosas]

snip


https://youtu.be/cRgi5d7XsgY

[dosas]

sorry about that, It was dosas. If he wasn't a malaka this thread wouldn't of been ruined

You ruined it with your stupid lies about Greek Cypriots, fag.

[Voskos]

stop being a malaka to my friend or I'm selling your island to Merkel

If cypriots are west asian/menas then why are they much more related to mycenaeans than any other mena/west asian group?

[Bornoz]

https://youtu.be/cRgi5d7XsgY

Post video of a guy who has disorder you pathetic loser. And call yourself ''human'' :lol:
I hope the one you love the most dies in a great pain when you can only watch it.

[Dorian]

No it was "ruined" by lonewolf when he mentioned GC which is unrelated ,just create another thread about it and don't ruin this one but my guess is that this is was you wanted to happen otherwise why mention them out of the blue?you came back with trollish tendencies.

[dosas]

Post video of a guy who has disorder you pathetic loser. And call yourself ''human'' :lol:
I hope the one you love the most dies in a great pain when you can only watch it.

Wow, talking about a world of butthurt, dude.

Now go cry to your mommy, blue-pill fag.

PS. I am Thracian paternally, curses don't work on us. They usually get 'reflected'.

Now fuck off, like the good little blue pill commie that you are. Faggot.

[lonewolfcypriot]

If cypriots are west asian/menas then why are they much more related to mycenaeans than any other mena/west asian group?

because they are not.

[Bornoz]

Wow, talking about a world of butthurt, dude.

Now go cry to your mommy, blue-pill fag.

PS. I am Thracian paternally, curses don't work on us. They usually get 'reflected'.

Now fuck off, like the good little blue pill commie that you are. Faggot.

I hope your kid born like the guy in the vid

[dosas]

I hope your kid born like the guy in the vid

Quoting for hilarity, butthurt scale over 9k+.

Make no mistake, people. This is what turks are made of. This is their response in face of the cold hard truth. When they can't face you, like real men do, they try to go for the innocent ones and the children, even the unborn ones.

[lonewolfcypriot]

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/40808225333_270278aec6_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25b5PDX)nic (https://flic.kr/p/25b5PDX) by , on Flickr

[Bornoz]

Amına kodumun delisi :lol:

Hoşt

[Papastratosels26]

50%-70%

[Bornoz]

Quoting for hilarity, butthurt scale over 9k+.

Make no mistake, people. This is what turks are made of. This is their response in face of the cold hard truth.

That's enough pleb. You are so fucking boring.
From the beggining of our conversation you talk about completely irrevelant things like my nation and political view even though I have never mentioned them. It is obvious that you are so dishonorable to attack through everyway that is posible.
I won't insult your nation. I will not descend to your level. Continue to be a pleb.

[Crimson Winds]

Varies between %20-80, depending on individual and region except for northeastern parts of Anatolia(Trabzon, Northern parts of Erzurum) lacking almost any Central Asian influence.

[Gangrel]

Turkish Cypriot results, 54%ish Greek:


https://youtu.be/MpCOIDYmUCw

Greek Cypriot results, 48%ish Greek:


https://youtu.be/ZNUt8fVSNQA

Random picks from youtube, your argument is null.

Next.

>MyHeritage

fuck off retard

[Gangrel]

If you think 10%ish is cause for uproar, then more power to you. Myheritage raw data is top notch and much better than a lot of others.

You try to discredit the source to invalidate my argument, but it's you who rely on hearsay, I have experience of extensive testing for all my family with 3 companies and their results are consistent with said minor differences.

edit: sorry I quoted the wrong person.

It is the worst company out there, stop trying to fool yourself.

[dosas]

That's enough pleb. You are so fucking boring.
From the beggining of our conversation you talk about completely irrevelant things like my nation and political view even though I have never mentioned them. It is obvious that you are so dishonorable to attack through everyway that is posible.
I won't insult your nation. I will not descend to your level. Continue to be a pleb.

Your previous posts are crystal clear of the quality of your character, boy. Someone disagreed with you and you lost your shit like the clown that you are.

Can't do much now, damage's already done. Better luck next time.

[dosas]

>MyHeritage

fuck off retard

turk butthurt train straight from chin chan chon.

[Gangrel]

turk butthurt train straight from chin chan chon.

Why would I be butthurt? Please explain to me

[dosas]

Why would I be butthurt? Please explain to me

No. We started on the wrong foot, now it's only ridicule for you, my yellow friend.

[Gangrel]

No. We started on the wrong foot, now it's only ridicule for you, my yellow friend.

Lol where are you from?

[Bornoz]

Your previous posts are crystal clear of the quality of your character, boy. Someone disagreed with you and you lost your shit like the clown that you are.

Can't do much now, damage's already done. Better luck next time.

So you have entered my profile and checked my posts to find something that you can use against me :lol:
You wasted your time on such a thing hahahah

You are one of the most pathetic losers I have ever seen in my life. It is completely a new level :lol:

Take your ugly face and get the fuck out of here

[Voskos]

because they are not.

As an island Greek , here's my result expressed in relation to cypriots. That Germanic dna is non hellenic stuff that came from slavs and latins imo.

2 66.9% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 33.1% German (Germany) @ 1.7

[Mingle]

---


---

Thoughts on these?

With Uzbeks:


"sample": "Test1:Turkish_Kayseri",
"fit": 1.4275,
"Greek_Central_Anatolia": 70,
"Uzbek": 17.5,
"Georgian_Imer": 12.5,

"sample": "Test2:Turkish_Balikesir",
"fit": 1.7019,
"Greek_Crete": 57.5,
"Uzbek": 32.5,
"Georgian_Imer": 10,

With Turkmens:


"sample": "Test1:Turkish_Kayseri",
"fit": 1.3006,
"Greek_Central_Anatolia": 65,
"Turkmen": 22.5,
"Georgian_Imer": 12.5,


"sample": "Test2:Turkish_Balikesir",
"fit": 1.4209,
"Greek_Crete": 50.83,
"Turkmen": 42.5,
"Georgian_Imer": 6.67,

Since the Turkmen academic samples are quite West Asian-shifted (compared to the Uzbekistan Turkmens and Afghanistan Turkmens), we can assume that the medieval Turkmen ancestry present among Anatolian Turks is smaller than what is shown above with Turkmens. It is probably more similar to the Uzbek one. What do you think of the modeling anyways?

Edit: Kaspias, I just realized you did the modeling in your post. What did you use as the basis for "Turkic"?

[dosas]

So you have entered my profile and checked my posts to find something that you can use against me :lol:
You wasted your time on such a thing hahahah

You are one of the most pathetic losers I have ever seen in my life. It is completely a new level :lol:

Take your ugly face and get the fuck out of here

I don't need to check your posts, you retard, your avatar is enough.

As for your pathetic attempt at insulting my face, go take a hard look at the mirror, you mongol commie trash incel.

And moral high grounds don't work for faggots like you who throw curses at unborn children, just a fyi.

[Kaspias]

Thoughts on these?

With Uzbeks:



With Turkmens:



Since the Turkmen academic samples are quite West Asian-shifted (compared to the Uzbekistan Turkmens and Afghanistan Turkmens), we can assume that the medieval Turkmen ancestry present among Anatolian Turks is smaller than what is shown above with Turkmens. It is probably more similar to the Uzbek one. What do you think of the modeling anyways?

In this sense, i think modeling with Uzbeks will give a minimum threshold of their Turkic admixture but still, it will be possible that person had more Turkic-related ancestor than calculator gave us. May sounds weird but i think we need a sample which is between modern Turkmens and Uzbeks. Except that, i would prefer to grouping population components such as "Greek" for whole Greek references(GR_Central_Anatolia, Mainland, etc.) and "Turkic" for whole Turkic populations(Turkmen, Uzbek all together.) This will give the closest distance and will prevent overfit. For example, in the Balikesir sample, i don't think the Crete sample is enough to represent Greek admixture we need also the mainland Greek population to make a proxy for Nicaean Greeks. Grouping may fix this.

[Mingle]

In this sense, i think modeling with Uzbeks will give a minimum threshold of their Turkic admixture but still, it will be possible that person had more Turkic-related ancestor than calculator gave us. May sounds weird but i think we need a sample which is between modern Turkmens and Uzbeks. Except that, i would prefer to grouping population components such as "Greek" for whole Greek references(GR_Central_Anatolia, Mainland, etc.) and "Turkic" for whole Turkic populations(Turkmen, Uzbek all together.) This will give the closest distance and will prevent overfit. For example, in the Balikesir sample, i don't think the Crete sample is enough to represent Greek admixture we need also the mainland Greek population to make a proxy for Nicaean Greeks. Grouping may fix this.

You posted some Turkmen results and they got Afghan_Turkmen and Uzbek at similar distances: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?284017-Turkmen-Gedmatch-Results

Also, the state that Seljuks migrated from was Oghuz Yabgu which is modern day western Uzbekistan/southwest Kazakhstan. So its likely they were slightly more EA-shifted than modern Afghanistani Turkmens are. Thus, Uzbeks are likely the best approximation. There's also a possibility that the Oghuz Yabgu Turks were a bit more EA-shifted than modern Uzbeks based on their geography being more north/western, but there's not enough data to claim that.

Using "Turkic" for whole Turkic references is a nice idea. For that couldn't you just model Anatolian Turks with a bunch of Turkic populations at once and then add up what percentages manually?

Anyways, what did you use for "Turkic" and "Caucasian" in your calculator that you posted on the first page?

[Stefanos.tasidis]

100% mongolian

[Thracian]

You posted some Turkmen results and they got Afghan_Turkmen and Uzbek at similar distances: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?284017-Turkmen-Gedmatch-Results

Also, the state that Seljuks migrated from was Oghuz Yabgu which is modern day western Uzbekistan/southwest Kazakhstan. So its likely they were slightly more EA-shifted than modern Afghanistani Turkmens are. Thus, Uzbeks are likely the best approximation. There's also a possibility that the Oghuz Yabgu Turks were a bit more EA-shifted than modern Uzbeks based on their geography being more north/western, but there's not enough data to claim that.

Using "Turkic" for whole Turkic references is a nice idea. For that couldn't you just model Anatolian Turks with a bunch of Turkic populations at once and then add up what percentages manually?

Anyways, what did you use for "Turkic" and "Caucasian" in your calculator that you posted on the first page?

You can also try with KGZ_Turk as well. KGZ_Turk is a Gokturk (DA86).

[Mingle]

You can also try with KGZ_Turk as well. KGZ_Turk is a Gokturk (DA86).Are KAZ_Turks also Gokturks?

[Thracian]

Are KAZ_Turks also Gokturks?

I think that DA89 is a Gokturk but I don't know about DA228. S/he could be a Gokturk as well.

[dosas]

Attention all retarded myheritage-data haters:

As of now, Myheritage and FTDNA are the companies that test and provide the biggest number of autosomal SNPs in their raw data file: 702,540 for FTDNA and 702,442 for Myheritage. Everyone else's number is a bit or a lot less. source (https://isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_SNP_comparison_chart)

Family Tree DNA and MyHeritage DNA provide identical autosomal SNPs: source (http://www.beholdgenealogy.com/blog/?p=2700).

They are processed by ftdna labs using the same chip. What differs is the format of the raw data file and the fact that due to their policies, FTDNA omits certain information relating to medical issues and Y-DNA.

Consider yourself enlightened.

Although, I suspect the mongol butthurt train reacts the way they do, due to the popularity of myheritage tests on turkish youtube videos showing results with big Greek scores: gotta discredit the source to discredit the results; simple minded thinking for simple-minded fools.

Now, carry on as you were.

[Kaspias]

Attention all retarded myheritage-data haters:

As of now, Myheritage and FTDNA are the companies that test and provide the biggest number of autosomal SNPs in their raw data file: 702,540 for FTDNA and 702,442 for Myheritage. Everyone else's number is a bit or a lot less. source (https://isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_SNP_comparison_chart)

Family Tree DNA and MyHeritage DNA provide identical autosomal SNPs: source (http://www.beholdgenealogy.com/blog/?p=2700).

They are processed by ftdna labs using the same chip. What differs is the format of the raw data file and the fact that due to their policies, FTDNA omits certain information relating to medical issues and Y-DNA.

Consider yourself enlightened.

Although, I suspect the mongol butthurt train reacts the way they do, due to the popularity of myheritage tests on turkish youtube videos showing results with big Greek scores: gotta discredit the source to discredit the results; simple minded thinking for simple-minded fools.

Now, carry on as you were.

Their chip number doesn't matter as long as they use typical gedmatch type admixture algorithm. Unlike 23andMe and Ancestry, MH and FTDNA's ancestry admixture tool doesn't have specific data for each SNP but works just like Gedmatch. For example if you're 100% Greek from Central Greece, you may not get 100% Greek but 50% Italian and 50% West Asian because algorithm might find this more closer than 100% Greek. In this sense, it doesn't matter how quality their raw data since we take reference their ancestry admixture results.

https://i.ibb.co/mqpR7GH/Ads-z.png

-> I don't have Eastern European ancestor
-> I don't have Greek admixture proved by chromosome map, nevertheless, i would expect Greek
-> I don't have West Asian ancestor
-> I don't have North African ancestor
-> I don't have Nigerian ancestor
-> I don't have Middle-Easterner ancestor
-> Why my Turkic admixture is not shown with "Central Asia" but Amerindian and Chinese?
-> How i couldn't get Balkan?


As i stated, it is just like Gedmatch calculators. I believe with some help i can develop more accurate calculator than MH's algorithm.

[dosas]

snip

Thank you for your contribution, quality post as always, but that doesn't prove anything. It's just your take/opinion on it, you have provided no proof of your claims.

Edit:

To demonstrate my earlier argument (cba to post pics, look at my post history, they are there) using my personal anecdote against your own:

MH gives me 71%ish Greek+S.Italian, 23andme gives me 61% Greek+Italian. MH gives me 27%ish West Asia+M.East, 23andme gives me 37%ish. The populations remain the same, the differences do not exceed 10%ish give or take.

In your case, it's just that some companies have better data for specific populations so the results are skewed that way. Your problem lies with how each company presents their results, you didn't get Balkan but got Eastern Euro because that's how MH references that part of your Bulgarian scores, not with the actual testing of your sample.

My arguments still stand uncontested.

[Tigranes]

0-5%, at most...

[Kaspias]

Thank you for your contribution, quality post as always, but that doesn't prove anything. It's just your take/opinion on it, you have provided no proof of your claims.

Edit:

To demonstrate my earlier argument (cba to post pics, look at my post history, they are there) using my personal anecdote against your own:

MH gives me 71%ish Greek+S.Italian, 23andme gives me 61% Greek+Italian. MH gives me 27%ish West Asia+M.East, 23andme gives me 37%ish. The populations remain the same, the differences do not exceed 10%ish give or take.

In your case, it's just that some companies have better data for specific populations so the results are skewed that way. Your problem lies with how each company presents their results, you didn't get Balkan but got Eastern Euro because that's how MH references that part of your Bulgarian scores, not with the actual testing of your sample.

My arguments still stand uncontested.

I haven't read the argument between you and other members, so i don't have any comment for the main context of the argument. I just aimed the MyHeritage since i find it's admixture proportions very inaccurate and not for just me with a general perspective. I agree about raw data though.

Using Gedmatch as a comparison way and benefiting from nMonte will give more exact results.(if this is the topic)

[Kivan]

0-5%, at most...

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=22355&dateline=1556995237

[Tigranes]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=22355&dateline=1556995237

:rockon:
...
Who victored over, the Seljuks,
When the Holy Land was taken
We will fight the heathens!
...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F46r-_jPPHY

[Kaspias]

You posted some Turkmen results and they got Afghan_Turkmen and Uzbek at similar distances: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?284017-Turkmen-Gedmatch-Results

Also, the state that Seljuks migrated from was Oghuz Yabgu which is modern day western Uzbekistan/southwest Kazakhstan. So its likely they were slightly more EA-shifted than modern Afghanistani Turkmens are. Thus, Uzbeks are likely the best approximation. There's also a possibility that the Oghuz Yabgu Turks were a bit more EA-shifted than modern Uzbeks based on their geography being more north/western, but there's not enough data to claim that.

Using "Turkic" for whole Turkic references is a nice idea. For that couldn't you just model Anatolian Turks with a bunch of Turkic populations at once and then add up what percentages manually?

Anyways, what did you use for "Turkic" and "Caucasian" in your calculator that you posted on the first page?

I used Georgian_Imer for Caucasian and literally every Turkic people in Central Asia for Turkic, includes Mongols.

Your statement about Oghuz's are brilliant but i should add something. These Oghuz's who carry ~35-40% EE already mixed in Iran and Caucasia before enter the Anatolia which makes them closer to the today's Turkmens. So using modern day Turkmen's may be better for answer the question "how Anatolian Turks preserved the heritage of their Turkic ancestors?". On the other hand, i am not entirely convinced about their exact EE amount. Anyway, the first modeling i posted is better for the question which i stated in previous sentence since i used modern day Turkmen's in there. But let's take a look the modeling you recommended.



Oghuz = The Turkmen sample which i posted.


,Amerindian,Ancestral_Altaic,South_Central_Asian,A rctic,South_Indian,Australoid,Austrolenesian,Cauca sian,Archaic_Human,East_African,East_Siberian,Euro pean_Early_Farmers,Khoisan,Melano_Polynesian,Archa ic_African,Near_East,North_African,Paleo_Siberian, African_Pygmy,South_East_Asian,Subsaharian,Tungus_ Altaic,European_Hunter_Gatherers
Oghuz,1.69,6.89,14.49,0,2.91,0,0,19.53,0,0,10.63,2 .74,0,0.72,0,1.46,0.7,0.68,0,7.9,0,19.59,9.59
Caucasian:Georgian_Imer,0.14,2.33,20.12,0.28,0.74, 0.61,0.41,65.42,0.09,0.10,0.06,2.03,0.19,0.72,0.14 ,2.72,0.37,0.25,0.38,0.13,0.09,0.17,2.51
Caucasian:Armenian_Yerevan,0.16,1.97,18.61,0.17,0. 63,0.55,0.11,52.14,0.12,0.19,0.11,6.57,0.14,0.32,0 .02,13.27,2.03,0.11,0.13,0.12,0.06,0.21,2.25
Greek:Greek_Islands,0.22,1.16,5.65,0.29,0.94,0.30, 0.26,44.66,0.08,0.24,0.22,22.04,0.05,0.54,0.03,12. 13,3.67,0.17,0.31,0.26,0.10,0.18,6.49
Greek:Cretan,0.03,1.08,7.60,0.03,0.29,0.60,0.02,41 .14,0.01,0.32,0.05,19.93,0.05,0.12,0.02,12.38,5.18 ,0.04,0.26,0.11,0.04,0.04,10.65
Greek:Greek_Izmir,0.12,3.38,1.93,0.69,1.14,0.28,0. 04,41.64,0.11,0.02,0.33,20.67,0.02,0.67,0.01,11.90 ,2.70,0.08,0.02,0.05,0,0.20,13.99
Greek:Greek_Turkey_avg,0.06,0.96,9.04,0.03,0.54,0. 17,0.21,43.04,0.04,0.13,0.30,22.02,0.11,0.21,0.06, 12.16,2.74,0.22,0.08,0.12,0.05,0.10,7.61
Greek:Greek_Thrace,0.43,1.86,8.21,0,0.62,0,0,37.16 ,0,0,1.41,21.96,0.4,0.44,0,3.27,5.19,0,0,0,0,0,19. 38
Greek:Greek_Trabzon,0,1.18,15.84,0.47,0.22,0.66,0. 07,52.19,0.06,0.06,0,10.3,0,0,0,11.55,3.11,0.22,0. 03,0.23,0,0.07,3.23
Greek:Greek_Nigde,0,0.79,11.23,0,0.72,0,0,43.19,0, 0,0.5,17.39,0,0,0,13.63,4.52,0.33,0,1.02,0,0,6.68
Greek:Greek_Kayseri,0,0.21,15.63,0,0,0,0,48.6,0,0, 0.88,16.45,0,0.17,0,11.88,3.5,0,0,0,0,0.27,2.14
Greek:Central_Anatolia_Mixed,0.3,1.39,10.57,0.59,0 ,0.56,0,46.18,0,0,0.82,15.02,0,0.02,0,14.13,3.51,0 .2,0.19,0,0.15,0,6.37
Greek:Cypriot,0.20,0.62,7.40,0.10,0.63,0.18,0.13,4 5.68,0.11,0.42,0.19,17.94,0.08,0.42,0.06,16.81,5.7 8,0.16,0.20,0.14,0.08,0.20,2.46


All runs with pen=0


Turk_Adana


[1] "distance%=3.6494"

Adana

Greek,61
Oghuz,24.4
Caucasian,14.6


Turk_Ankara


[1] "distance%=4.4977"

Ankara

Greek,76
Oghuz,16
Caucasian,8



Turk_Antalya


[1] "distance%=2.6199"

Antalya

Greek,66.8
Oghuz,29.2
Caucasian,4



Turk_Aydın


[1] "distance%=3.6882"

Aydin

Greek,66.2
Oghuz,21.8
Caucasian,12


Turk_Balikesir


[1] "distance%=3.1262"

Balikesir

Greek,67
Oghuz,26
Caucasian,7


Turk_Denizli


[1] "distance%=3.3549"

Denizli

Greek,73.4
Oghuz,22.8
Caucasian,3.8



Turk_Erzurum


[1] "distance%=3.3055"

Erzurum

Caucasian,77.2
Greek,18.2
Oghuz,4.6



Turk_Gaziantep


[1] "distance%=5.7428"

Gaziantep

Greek,52.6
Caucasian,30.8
Oghuz,16.6



Turk_Giresun


[1] "distance%=3.3195"

Giresun

Greek,54.2
Oghuz,28.6
Caucasian,17.2



Turk_Istanbul


[1] "distance%=7.5803"

Istanbul

Greek,86.8
Oghuz,12.6
Caucasian,0.6



Turk_Karabuk


[1] "distance%=4.2459"

Karabük

Greek,74.8
Oghuz,17.4
Caucasian,7.8



Turk_Karaman


[1] "distance%=4.8117"

Karaman

Greek,76.4
Oghuz,16.4
Caucasian,7.2



Turk_Kayseri


[1] "distance%=4.8248"

Kayseri

Greek,62.6
Caucasian,28.8
Oghuz,8.6



Turk_Malatya


[1] "distance%=6.2202"

Malatya

Greek,45.8
Caucasian,42.8
Oghuz,11.4



Turk_Sivas


[1] "distance%=4.7763"

Sivas

Greek,50.6
Caucasian,37.6
Oghuz,11.8



Turk_Trabzon


[1] "distance%=2.5331"

Trabzon

Greek,56.6
Caucasian,34.4
Oghuz,9



*As i stated, this modeling most probably answers the how well preserved Turkic heritage since 700s, not from 1071.