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Maybe we should consider some facts and make their own judgements. Jews obviously stand apart from whites, unless it's in their interest to side with whites. Why on earth would normal whites promote things that are likely to destroy them? And yet our Jewish friends are busy promoting diversity and multiculturalsm on the liberal left, and Jews on the liberal right, neocons, are happily sending off our US Soldiers, the overwhelming majority of them, white, to fight and die in foreign wars far away from home, mostly for the protection of that little foreign apartheid state that has no relation to America. Why would anybody white do that?
Modern progressive liberalism, originated and driven by our Jewish friends, promotes ideologies that contradict white traditions and displaces and exterminates whites. It's quite easy to identify the powerful group of influential people who have the resources to make this destruction of white culture happen, and they are doing so, unabashedly. Most whites don't seem to get it. Why would whites want to destroy their own culture and lands and have it overrun by third world invaders from other lands? So the people who are enabling this, the jews, are white?
When people like me see so many of our Jewish friends holding the levers of power in this country, I see, and understand, that rather than do anything to prevent the genocide of Whites, they work to promote it. In light of these facts, only a mindless robot could find himself NOT criticizing our Jewish friends.
Officially, jews are classified as whites. Of course, they invented the process that classifies them, as they have all the slurs they hurl at whites who have found them out. The funny thing is they are not Semites at all, and not decended from the Israelites. They are from Europe. But the basic idea here is, if something's harmful for whites, our Jewish friends will make it their business to take the lead in promoting it.
What does "white" mean? Where are the boundaries drawn?
What does "white" mean? Where are the boundaries drawn?
Are jews white, that's the question. They claim they are. If they are, why are they behind everything anti-white that there is. Do I really have to define what is white? Is that a trick question? Maybe you could explain.
Are jews white, that's the question. They claim they are. If they are, why are they behind everything anti-white that there is. Do I really have to define what is white? Is that a trick question? Maybe you could explain.
I guess you mean as considered "white" in the US governmental census?
Yes, please define what is white. It means different things to different people. I'd be glad to hear a definition. :thumb001:
I guess you mean as considered "white" in the US governmental census?
Yes, please define what is white. It means different things to different people. I'd be glad to hear a definition. :thumb001:
I think that what I've said so far is pretty easy to understand the point I am making and the conversation I'm looking for here. Can a race of people, who claim to be white, but have done all they can to destroy Whites, call themselves white. Why are they trying to destroy White values, the values of the founding fathers of America. What do you think? Are jews white? Should we call the destroyers of whites, whites? Shall we give them that honor? I don't think so.
Ĉmeric
03-11-2009, 05:00 PM
The Official US Census Bureau definition of White is Caucasian. Which is why North Africans, Turks & Iranians are counted as White in the US. Though they are for the most a still very small minority in the US. The most aggravating part of the US Census Bureau's use of the "White" definition is that it allows the majority of Hispanics to self-identify as White, using the Latin American definition of race, which really skews the official statistics concerning Whites( you have to look for non-Hispanic White). In the US, Jews are officially White.
Not all persons who are legally White for statistical purposes are considered White socially. Most Hispanics who are White for statistical purposes are not thought of as White socially. And Jews are viewed as being different. However, the rapidly changing demographic situation in the US has caused a shifting of the colorline. Previously, dodgy looking Italians/Sicilians who were not considered White a few decades ago are now White. Jews do not seem so Alien as they once did with all the Hispanics that living in the US now as opposed to 30-40 years ago.
I have a question for Loki: Do Jews fit the criteria (European by ancestry) for membership at the Apricity? Or would they have the same status as Arabs or Gypsies?
I have a question for Loki: Do Jews fit the criteria (European by ancestry) for membership at the Apricity? Or would they have the same status as Arabs or Gypsies?
Of course not. Jews are not welcome here. They are not a European people, even though they've had many centuries of interaction with Europeans, and have taken in a lot of European blood. The Jewish ethnos is someting which is un-European. And even if you get a Jew with blonde hair and blue eyes, his cultural affiliation would make him alien to the goals of this forum.
I think that what I've said so far is pretty easy to understand the point I am making and the conversation I'm looking for here. Can a race of people, who claim to be white, but have done all they can to destroy Whites, call themselves white. Why are they trying to destroy White values, the values of the founding fathers of America. What do you think? Are jews white? Should we call the destroyers of whites, whites? Shall we give them that honor? I don't think so.
I see your point, and you are right in that it is hypocritical for a people to claim to be white, yet oppose the preservation of that section of the population. I think it's a case of they are "white" when it suits them, and vice versa.
Revenant
03-11-2009, 05:13 PM
There's no doubt they're represented disproportionately in American (also other countries) politics and the entertainment industry, but to say they're our biggest problem, you'd have to be more than a bit misguided.
Our biggest problem by far is ourselves.
Fortis in Arduis
03-11-2009, 05:15 PM
Whiteness is socially constructed.
In Brazil, a black person who is educated is considered to be 'white'.
Most of the Jewish people who have been pre-eminent within the destructive liberal-capitalist and Marxist schema in lands inhabited by Europeans have been phenotypically 'white', and so were their 'white' non-Jewish colleagues.
Racial analysis by the physical anthropologists have often hinted towards Armenoid admixtures in European Jewish populations, which herald their origins are different from their populations they reside in.
You know... the BEAK NOSE... etc.
The Armenoid sub-race is Europid, whereas the Arabid sub-race is not.
Arabid Jews are mostly found in Arab lands.
In Israel, they are visibly darker and non-European.
So by that definition, Ashkenazim Jews are 'white', or European, like the many (beak nose) Armenoid Italians of Italy.
For you, RED, 'white' means something else, but it all seems rather nebulous to me. :coffee:
Well, without (at this point) getting too argumentative/particular, Jews, themelves, identify themsleves as something fully mutually exclusive from all others. - Perhaps this is what one might concentrate on...? Often, it is on theosophical grounds; in other instances, it is on self-professed racial grounds. Here is the issue, IMO:
The Jew 'knows' and recognises himself/herself from the Gentile, redardless of Phentypic composition - I, for one, find this problematic; in so far as the Ashkenazi (for example) are, typically, fully Europid (C.f. Gweneth Paltrow, who is of Reigenberger typen, for example).
The issue then seems, a matter of appearance v. reality: this is not a distinction I would make; but, one that is forced upon me from without, I.e. - the self-profession of choice seems to take-on the archetyple predominace of psychological persuasion...
What is, and what is not 'white' will forever have its roots in appearances; however, 'White' need not - necessarily - be used in a sophomoric manner. That is to say, that we (especially Germanics [sorry, but it's true]) have an impressive lineage of 'coulour schemata' that pertains not only to outward appearances - but, and what is more, to archetypal action and predisposition in so far as colours are I.E. representatives of something far deeper than appearance: that of Gerechtigkeit, which any German speaker will recognise as distinct from Jewish procalimation.
I see your point, and you are right in that it is hypocritical for a people to claim to be white, yet oppose the preservation of that section of the population. I think it's a case of they are "white" when it suits them, and vice versa.
Exactly, and for their destructive policies they have aimed at Whites, they should be exposed as the enemy of Whites. That is their focus, and proves they are not themselves, white, no matter their appearance. American society is going down the drain right in front of all of our faces, and the accepted fashion of dealing with it for most whites is to ignore it. Jew's opposition to immigration policies favoring the European majority of the US dates back to before the immigration cut-off of the 1920s and spans the entire mainstream Jewish political spectrum, from the far left to the neoconservative right, to this day. Look what these SOBs have done. Jews oppose the ethno-nationalism of Euro-centric peoples in America but at the same time they support the Jewish ethno-nationalist state of Israel, a rather glaring double standard.
Fortis in Arduis
03-11-2009, 05:30 PM
Of course not. Jews are not welcome here. They are not a European people, even though they've had many centuries of interaction with Europeans, and have taken in a lot of European blood. The Jewish ethnos is someting which is un-European. And even if you get a Jew with blonde hair and blue eyes, his cultural affiliation would make him alien to the goals of this forum.
What if such an individual was a racially Europid nationalist Jew, living in Israel, who was interested in European preservation in the wider context of defeating global jihad?
I am only asking this, because I am a member of a Jewish-Israeli nationalist forum, and I am very welcome there.
European preservation is good for other peoples too.
There's no doubt they're represented disproportionately in American (also other countries) politics and the entertainment industry, but to say they're our biggest problem, you'd have to be more than a bit misguided.
Our biggest problem by far is ourselves.
I guess you could say that, but they are the genisis of our problems and the excacerbaters of our problems. People are brainwashed by them. Over a period of time societies have embraced a liberal philosophy to replace conservative values and this has been orchestrated by these parasites who have been a problem since the beginning of America. We have been victimized by them.
What if such an individual was a racially Europid nationalist Jew, living in Israel, who was interested in European preservation in the wider context of defeating global jihad?
I am only asking this, because I am a member of a Jewish-Israeli nationalist forum, and I am very welcome there.
European preservation is good for other peoples too.
I have no doubt such people exist ... there are actually many Jews who agree with European preservation. But it would kind of defeat our goals if we allowed them into our community. I have no enmity with them and would appreciate their support though.
Treffie
03-11-2009, 05:35 PM
One thing's for certain, the Falasha (Ethiopia) are not white.
http://history.sffs.org/i/films/1984/Falasha_Exile_Of_The_Black_.jpg
And neither are the Lemba (Zimbabwe)
http://www.sheppardsoftware.com/images/Africa/factfile/photos_lemba1.jpg
they are the genisis of our problems
I personally think this idea is a cop-out. We are the genesis of our own problems. Even if all the Jews in the world vanished, it wouldn't solve our problems.
Fortis in Arduis
03-11-2009, 05:36 PM
Jews oppose the ethno-nationalism of Euro-centric peoples in America but at the same time they support the Jewish ethno-nationalist state of Israel, a rather glaring double standard.
The Jewish people you refer to (and I wish that you would qualify which Jews they are more carefully) support Israel, the Jewish state in its current multicultural form, they do not support Jewish nationalism.
There is no double standard, they are just assholes all the way...
Which is why websites like this exist, which have been set up to oppose these bastards:
www.jtf.org
www.kahane.org
www.masada2000.org
Here buddy, read the Jew-complied 'shit list' of nasty Jews - more comprehensive than Stormfront, VNN and David Duke's 'Jewish Supremacism' combined:
http://www.masada2000.org/shit-list.html
What if such an individual was a racially Europid nationalist Jew, living in Israel, who was interested in European preservation in the wider context of defeating global jihad?
I am only asking this, because I am a member of a Jewish-Israeli nationalist forum, and I am very welcome there.
European preservation is good for other peoples too.
Why wouldn't you be welcome there. You are no danger to them. They are the destroyers, after-all, not White Europeans.
I personally think this idea is a cop-out. We are the genesis of our own problems. Even if all the Jews in the world vanished, it wouldn't solve our problems.
If all the jews vanished as you suggest, I think it would solve all our problems. As I said, we could accept the blame for this intrusion into our society by this group, for the purpose of destroying it, but I would rather lance the boil, and go from there. They are the cause of all the things that have brought us to where we are.
I have no doubt such people exist ... there are actually many Jews who agree with European preservation. But it would kind of defeat our goals if we allowed them into our community. I have no enmity with them and would appreciate their support though.
Can they really be trusted? I'd hold them at arm's length at best, but I do agree with what you're saying.
If all the jews vanished as you suggest, I think it would solve all our problems.
That's incredibly naive, I'm sorry. For starters, we would still have the Irish ... :coffee:
The Lawspeaker
03-11-2009, 05:51 PM
That's incredibly naive, I'm sorry. For starters, we would still have the Irish ... :coffee:
..... and the Muslims.
Heimmacht
03-11-2009, 05:53 PM
And Wilders...
That's incredibly naive, I'm sorry. For starters, we would still have the Irish ... :coffee:
It's not naive from an American perspective. I can't speak to your POV.
I guess you could say that, but they are the genisis of our problems and the excacerbaters of our problems.
This, by extention, and implication, implies a Superiority to the Jew; and, unless you rephrase, there is no (logical) way of arguing otherwise: Are you a 'victim'...?
People are brainwashed by them. Over a period of time societies have embraced a liberal philosophy to replace conservative values and this has been orchestrated by these parasites who have been a problem since the beginning of America. We have been victimized by them.
'Victimisation' is a substrate that Germanics (amongst other Europids) are unfamiliar with: are you une victeme....? ( I do hope you are familiar with the gender of European language...)
.. Even if all the Jews in the world vanished, it wouldn't solve our problems.
Respectfully - Yeah, it would. In so far as Semetism rules by ideological proxy.
..... and the Muslims.
Yet another European perspective. I can empathize with your problems as far as Muslims are concerned, but they do not exist here in America.
This, by extention, and implication, implies a Superiority to the Jew; and, unless you rephrase, there is no (logical) way of arguing otherwise: Are you a 'victim'...?
'Victimisation' is a substrate that Germanics (amongst other Europids) are unfamiliar with: are you une victeme....? ( I do hope you are familiar with the gender of European language...)
Respectfully - Yeah, it would. In so far as Semetism rules by ideological proxy.
I'm looking at America being destroyed by the subversion and manipulation by these people. Has America been victimized by these parasites? You bet!
Ĉmeric
03-11-2009, 05:59 PM
The Armenoid sub-race is Europid, whereas the Arabid sub-race is not.
How is Armenid Europid, but Arabid is not? Both are Caucasian types. Though what many persons consider to be the typocal phenotype for Arabs actaully has some African admixture.
The Jew 'knows' and recognises himself/herself from the Gentile, redardless of Phentypic composition - I, for one, find this problematic; in so far as the Ashkenazi (for example) are, typically, fully Europid (C.f. Gweneth Paltrow, who is of Reigenberger typen, for example).
Gwyneth Paltrow isn't considered Jewish by religious authorities - her mother is a Waspish gentile. In order to be considered a Jew, the mother of the individual in question must be Jewish. I always found that definition puzzling, it dating way back before feminism to when the Jews were very patriarchal. Perhaps there was an assumption that the child of a Jewish mother would have a Jewish father.
The civil definition of a Jew under Israel's Law of Return (http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/1950_1959/Law+of+Return+5710-1950.htm) is anyone with at least one Jewish grandparent, it need not be maternal or in otherwords 25% blood quantum which is what a lot of people use viewing (socially) an individual as Jew or gentile.
Fortis in Arduis
03-11-2009, 06:01 PM
If all the jews vanished as you suggest, I think it would solve all our problems. As I said, we could accept the blame for this intrusion into our society by this group, for the purpose of destroying it, but I would rather lance the boil, and go from there. They are the cause of all the things that have brought us to where we are.
They are not the cause of all the anti-nationalist events which have brought us to this degraded position, they have simply played a larger part in it than we have.
Not surprising really, since they are/were foreigners in diaspora by definition and so nationalism was never going to be their strong point, was it? :lightbul:
Anyway none of that matters now. Jews who really care about being Jewish will live in Israel now. Israel is the future of the Jewish people, especially in a globalising, secularising world.
The struggle is not against 'the Jews' but against Islam, materialism, socialism, capitalism, social Marxism and political correctness, and I for one, applauded the efforts of 'the Jews', or indeed anybody, who stands in opposition to these evils.
I'm looking at America being destroyed by the subversion and manipulation of these people. Has America been victimized by these parasites? You bet!
Then you are, by definition, inferior: assume the position.
Gwyneth Paltrow isn't considered Jewish by religious authorities - her mother is a Waspish gentile. In order to be considered a Jew, the mother of the individual in question must be Jewish. I always found that definition puzzling, it dating way back before feminism to when the Jews were very patriarchal. Perhaps there was an assumption that the child of a Jewish mother would have a Jewish father.
The civil definition of a Jew under Israel's Law of Return (http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/1950_1959/Law+of+Return+5710-1950.htm) is anyone with at least one Jewish grandparent, it need not be maternal or in otherwords 25% blood quantum which is what a lot of people use viewing (socially) an individual as Jew or gentile.
She self-identifies: that is the point.
Respectfully - Yeah, it would.
You really think? Without any Jews, we would still have liberals, left-wingers, commies, race-mixers, and a majority of fence-sitters. To me such an idea is incredibly naive -- not to mention entirely hypothetical too.
They are not the cause of all the anti-nationalist events which have brought us to this degraded position, they have simply played a larger part in it than we have.
Not surprising really, since they are/were foreigners in diaspora by definition and so nationalism was never going to be their strong point, was it? :lightbul:
Anyway none of that matters now. Jews who really care about being Jewish will live in Israel now. Israel is the future of the Jewish people, especially in a globalising, secularising world.
The struggle is not against 'the Jews' but against Islam, materialism, socialism, capitalism, social Marxism and political correctness, and I for one, applauded the efforts of 'the Jews', or indeed anybody, who stands in opposition to these evils.
Jews are the manipulators. They are the subverters. They are the orchestrators. Of course, they are too few to do it all by themselves. They have bought many minions. In America, Muslims are not a problem, but I am sensitive to the problems they are causing in Europe. Are you saying that jews are not behind the immigration of too many Muslims into European countries? Are not your liberal governments ineffective dealing with this problem? Who wields the power in your governments? Wouldn't be jews, would it? Are not jews the originators of political correctness?
Baron Samedi
03-11-2009, 06:16 PM
I'm part Semitic due to my paternal great-grandmother getting mixed in the pot o' Hellasson so to speak.... (This would make me 1/8 Ashkenazi... So to speak).
It's something that I used to struggle with a lot, especially when I was just getting into folkish heathenry and found out about it.
I have just a tad bit of anger towards them and their "presence" in Europa, however I do agree that even if they were gone, things would still be sour.
And there is no point in hating an ethnic group that exists within the borders of Europe.... Everyone has to live their lives, and I would hope most of them do it in peace and accordance to the local laws (shame the same logic canno't go in tandem with some of the Muslim populations of these exact same areas).
But to answer the OP.... I think "white" is a very.... ill appropriate term for ANY light-skinned ethnicity nowadays. Some Iranians would be considered "white" but certainly not European.
YggsVinr
03-11-2009, 06:17 PM
Gwyneth Paltrow isn't considered Jewish by religious authorities - her mother is a Waspish gentile. In order to be considered a Jew, the mother of the individual in question must be Jewish. I always found that definition puzzling, it dating way back before feminism to when the Jews were very patriarchal. Perhaps there was an assumption that the child of a Jewish mother would have a Jewish father.
It doesn't always help to think in terms of patriarchal vs. matriarchal societies. It likely has more to do with the fact that a child's mother was always verifiable whereas paternity was not as verifiable. If a child was Jewish on the mother's side it could be said that the child was at least part Jewish. There were quite a few Aboriginal tribes in Canada, like the Iroquois, who took the matrilineal approach as well, since one's origin, in an age without DNA testing, can always be definitely traced back to one's mother.
Baron Samedi
03-11-2009, 06:17 PM
Jews are the manipulators. They are the subverters. They are the orchestrators. Of course, they are too few to do it all by themselves. They have bought many minions. In America, Muslims are not a problem, but I am sensitive to the problems they are causing in Europe. Are you saying that jews are not behind the immigration of too many Muslims into European countries? Are not your liberal governments ineffective dealing with this problem? Who wields the power in your governments? Wouldn't be jews, would it? Are not jews the originators of political correctness?
Your ethnicity is "Amrican", first off.... What does that even mean?
Second, this whole "Jewish global conspiracy" is a load of shit.... Where is your concrete evidence?
And third, why is this forum turning into Stormfront all this sudden?
You really think? Without any Jews, we would still have liberals, left-wingers, commies, race-mixers, and a majority of fence-sitters. To me such an idea is incredibly naive -- not to mention entirely hypothetical too.
Jews are the driving force behind liberalism. Once you remove the jews, liberalism would collapse of it's own silliness. All of the ideologies you mention are driven by the jews.
Baron Samedi
03-11-2009, 06:25 PM
Jews are the driving force behind liberalism. Once you remove the jews, liberalism would collapse of it's own silliness. All of the ideologies you mention are driven by the jews.
We get it.... Jews are the world's problem.... Rejoice! etc....
:coffee:
Galloglaich
03-11-2009, 06:28 PM
I'm looking at America being destroyed by the subversion and manipulation of these people. Has America been victimized by these parasites? You bet!
I understand that you are making a personal attempt at addressing a very exigent issue, but where is your sense of responsibility? In the free marketplace of ideas, does anybody not have the ability to try and sell you a lie? It is your/our responsibility to accept or deny the lie. Otherwise, we are helpless and might as well not even try. I refuse to accept that I am helpless. How can you give them such power? America has been victimized by a "white" majority that is apathetic and ignorant and would rather play into the hands of its manipulators in deference to taking responsibility for itself or, God forbid, offending somebody. In some cases, members of the "white" majority have knowingly acquiesced out of greed. These people are neither apathetic nor ignorant, they are appallingly more vile. If all the Jews disappeared tomorrow, we would still have to deal with the weak among our own tribes that would intentionally or otherwise sell their own people into slavery. I'm not about to make any excuses for the weak among us that would threaten my liberty just because they're "my kind". In my view, they're worse.
You really think? Without any Jews, we would still have liberals, left-wingers, commies, race-mixers, and a majority of fence-sitters. To me such an idea is incredibly naive -- not to mention entirely hypothetical too.
Hypothetical...? Hypothetical. - The Terimuns ad Quem, et Terminum a Quo (the point from which, and the point to which) all irrational 'Liberalism' flows is Semetic.
Would, without the Jew, there be a "Left-Wing...? SURE! Would it look the same...? Without a doubt - no. - Would there be 'liberals'...? Mmm Hmm :)!! - Would they appear the same...? Without a doubt - NO.; - Communistas...? Could such an Idea possibly have comme from the mind of an indigenous European, let alone Germanic..? - NO!!!
Race - mixing: 'we' (Germanics) are guilty as charged: we knew not the consequenses; and, thought the nobility of our blood immutable [and we gotr very horny aviiking]).
Your ethnicity is "Amrican", first off.... What does that even mean?
Second, this whole "Jewish global conspiracy" is a load of shit.... Where is your concrete evidence?
And third, why is this forum turning into Stormfront all this sudden?
You may hold that opinion of ZOG, but of course, you would be totally wrong. I know, I know, the sellouts in the jew controlled MSM haven't yet informed you of it, so it can't be true. Why are you so protective of jews? There's hundreds of message boards you can go to for the purpose of apologizing and denying the damage these people are doing to the world. Why is criticism of jews equivalent to nazism for you? :rolleyes:
Jews work together indefatigably in large and small groups to get their way. They have literally thousands of organizations dedicated to promoting their interests, and theirs alone. Whites have exactly zero. It's no accident that Jews control the majority of powerful positions in the US, the newspapers, academia, banking, et cetera. Jews are a tiny minority yet are in control of almost all the levers in the most powerful country in the world. And we're supposed to believe that it happened by accident? Take your blinders off. Trying to understand current events and the structure of politcal power without seeing Jews is like trying to understand immigration without seeing Latinos, or for that matter like trying to understand the Jihad without seeing Islam.
Thorum
03-11-2009, 06:29 PM
Off Topic:
RED, are you going to introduce yourself? I don't see an introduction anywhere on the forum. Did I miss it?
Skandi
03-11-2009, 06:30 PM
Jews are the driving force behind liberalism. Once you remove the jews, liberalism would collapse of it's own silliness. All of the ideologies you mention are driven by the jews.
You are starting to sound like a black, forever blaming others for their own shortcomings, if the Jews are indeed the root of all evil and personally I doubt it, then they can only be that way because we allow it.
Red Skull
03-11-2009, 06:31 PM
I haven't read the posts here, but I can imagine some stuff that has been written already.
"What is White? If you mean a Race of some sort, then what is Race?", and so on. Cut the crap.
You know all know perfectly well that White falls at least within the boundaries of racially, culturally and/or spiritually European individuals. If you're an assimilationist, sure, a Jew can be White. But only if he loses his Jewish identity entirely.
No, Jews are not White (European), and they never will be. Unless for some reason the meaning of "Jew" is completely redefined.
Ĉmeric
03-11-2009, 06:31 PM
We get it.... Jews are the world's problem.... Rejoice! etc....
:coffee:
Jews are not the world's only problem, but they are a problem. What makes them stand out so much is their disproportionate influence (in the US) compared to their actual numbers. And the influence that they wield is used to further the progression of the US into pluralistic, politically correct, multiracial society.
Don't blame the Jews for everything but you ignore the Jews at your own peril.
Baron Samedi
03-11-2009, 06:31 PM
I understand that you are making a personal attempt at addressing a very exigent issue, but where is your sense of responsibility? In the free marketplace of ideas, does anybody not have the ability to try and sell you a lie? It is your/our responsibility to accept or deny the lie. Otherwise, we are helpless and might as well not even try. I refuse to accept that I am helpless. How can you give them such power? America has been victimized by a "white" majority that is apathetic and ignorant and would rather play into the hands of its manipulators in deference to taking responsibility for itself or, God forbid, offend somebody. In some cases, members of the "white" majority have knowingly acquiesced out of greed. These people are neither apathetic or ignorant, they are appallingly more vile. If all the Jews disappeared tomorrow, we would still have to deal with the weak among our own tribes that would intentionally or otherwise sell their own people into slavery. I'm not about to make any excuses for the weak among us that would threaten my liberty just because they're "my kind". In my view, they're worse.
My thoughts exactly.
It's not my place to educate the buffoons of our society.... Even of our own folk.
Fuck 'em, and let them learn the hard way.
We get it.... Jews are the world's problem.... Rejoice! etc....
:coffee:
The sooner you accept that fact, the sooner the problems can be fixed.
Thorum
03-11-2009, 06:32 PM
Off Topic:
RED, are you going to introduce yourself? I don't see an introduction anywhere on the forum. Did I miss it?
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Skandi
03-11-2009, 06:32 PM
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Jews work together indefatigably in large and small groups to get their way. They have literally thousands of organizations dedicated to promoting their interests, and theirs alone. Whites have exactly zero.
That'll be because "white" doesn't have a definition whereas Jew does. I don't Identify with everybody who others would consider white, and they probably wouldn't agree with my definitions.
Baron Samedi
03-11-2009, 06:37 PM
You may hold that opinion of ZOG, but of course, you would be totally wrong. I know, I know, the sellouts in the jew controlled MSM haven't yet informed you of it, so it can't be true. Why are you so protective of jews? There's hundreds of message boards you can go to for the purpose of apologizing and denying the damage these people are doing to the world. Why is criticism of jews equivalent to nazism for you? :rolleyes:
Jews work together indefatigably in large and small groups to get their way. They have literally thousands of organizations dedicated to promoting their interests, and theirs alone. Whites have exactly zero. It's no accident that Jews control the majority of powerful positions in the US, the newspapers, academia, banking, et cetera. Jews are a tiny minority yet are in control of almost all the levers in the most powerful country in the world. And we're supposed to believe that it happened by accident? Take your blinders off. Trying to understand current events and the structure of politcal power without seeing Jews is like trying to understand immigration without seeing Latinos, or for that matter like trying to understand the Jihad without seeing Islam.
I'm not defending the Jews.... I'm saying prove to us what you are saying is true with concrete evidence, or shut the fuck up with a rant I am SURE most of us have heard hundreds of times over on these European preservationist forums!
I could care less about the Jews, Americans, or anyone else really for that matter! Stupidity is rampant in the world, and do you know why?
There is only one "race" to blame.....
Homo sapiens sapiens
Second, this whole "Jewish global conspiracy" is a load of shit.... Where is your concrete evidence?
I agree.
And third, why is this forum turning into Stormfront all this sudden?
It's not and it won't. I won't allow it. If people want to masturbate online about Jewish conspiracy theories they can start their own websites. It's one thing to discuss the possibilities, but entirely another to be totally obsessed by it.
You may hold that opinion of ZOG, but of course, you would be totally wrong. I know, I know, the sellouts in the jew controlled MSM haven't yet informed you of it, so it can't be true. Why are you so protective of jews? There's hundreds of message boards you can go to for the purpose of apologizing and denying the damage these people are doing to the world. Why is criticism of jews equivalent to nazism for you? :rolleyes:
Jews work together indefatigably in large and small groups to get their way. They have literally thousands of organizations dedicated to promoting their interests, and theirs alone. Whites have exactly zero. It's no accident that Jews control the majority of powerful positions in the US, the newspapers, academia, banking, et cetera. Jews are a tiny minority yet are in control of almost all the levers in the most powerful country in the world. And we're supposed to believe that it happened by accident? Take your blinders off. Trying to understand current events and the structure of politcal power without seeing Jews is like trying to understand immigration without seeing Latinos, or for that matter like trying to understand the Jihad without seeing Islam.
That is your opinion, and you're welcome to it. But I am not of that opinion, and no-one on this site need to feel forced to subscribe to it.
The Lawspeaker
03-11-2009, 06:42 PM
Yes, Red. I am getting curious. Are you a new member or a troll ?
I am awaiting your introduction and I would be the first to welcome you then (even though I don't agree with you at all)
Yes, Red. I am getting curious. Are you a new member or a troll ?
I am awaiting your introduction and I would be the first to welcome you then (even though I don't agree with you at all)
I agree. RED, could you please interrupt your soliloquy about Der Ewige Juden and introduce yourself properly? Thanks.
I understand that you are making a personal attempt at addressing a very exigent issue, but where is your sense of responsibility? In the free marketplace of ideas, does anybody not have the ability to try and sell you a lie? It is your/our responsibility to accept or deny the lie. Otherwise, we are helpless and might as well not even try. I refuse to accept that I am helpless. How can you give them such power? America has been victimized by a "white" majority that is apathetic and ignorant and would rather play into the hands of its manipulators in deference to taking responsibility for itself or, God forbid, offend somebody. In some cases, members of the "white" majority have knowingly acquiesced out of greed. These people are neither apathetic or ignorant, they are appallingly more vile. If all the Jews disappeared tomorrow, we would still have to deal with the weak among our own tribes that would intentionally or otherwise sell their own people into slavery. I'm not about to make any excuses for the weak among us that would threaten my liberty just because they're "my kind". In my view, they're worse.
Of course I understand what you're saying, but how did these problems come into being? By happenstance? By coincidence? No, it was a deliberate plan and strategy put into effect over decades. I, and my countrymen, weren't born stupid, however, we were stupefied by these manipulators. While I was living the American dream, they crept as thieves in the night, dumbing down school students, infiltrated our churches, corrupted our politicians, created multiculturalism and political correctness, took complete control of mass media, all these things combined have changed a great nation by changing it's ideology. We are still the same country of our Founding Fathers, who came from England, these same cretins came with them, and these people have worked relentlessly for decades to gain control. And what you fail to understand that the same people who have changed this America are the same people who are changing your world/country. This must be understood or we just continue to play into their hands by arguing amongst ourselves. Dissension, arguments, separation, keeps the masses from uniting, from understanding, from identifying. They love it. Now, that we have both run down America, here's the kick in the ass. The same people are working to destroy your country.
Skandi
03-11-2009, 06:46 PM
To actually answer the question, Jews are white in my opinion, as the religion can be joined or left, a Jew who is "actively" Jewish is not in my "European" definition, but one who is either only nominally Jewish or one who has forsaken their religion, (especially if changing to an indigenous one) is just as European White as anyone else. What I mean is that while they are white I don't identify with them
I've seen an awful lot of this type of crap on the net, it's one of the reasons I don't frequent SF, I can't be bothered with people who just want to blame others for their or their ancestors shortcomings, I agree with Suut if they are in charge then we must be inferior, and I'm damned if I will believe that.
That is your opinion, and you're welcome to it. But I am not of that opinion, and no-one on this site need to feel forced to subscribe to it.
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. You're entitled to believe whatever you choose.
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. You're entitled to believe whatever you choose.
I'll be bluntly honest with you: I'm heartily sick of the types who think Jews are our only problem in the world. I've been there, done that. I've run several websites in my life. Once you allow in a good proportion of these Jew-haters, they eventually spoil everything. Or it sort of morphs into a KKK/Nazi website. This is not one. If you were looking for such a site you have come to the wrong place my friend.
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. You're entitled to believe whatever you choose.
Are you, or are you not a Victim...?
"RED"... if you will introduce yourself, as friendly requested, perfectly justifiably assumptions will not be heaped upon youself.
Loyalist
03-11-2009, 06:57 PM
Jews are most certainly not European, and I would also argue do not fall into the caucasian or "white" fold, either. Many Ashkenazi and Sephardi display clear signs of Oriental and Negro influence (small and slanted eyes, coarse and matted hair, etc.). Admixture with Europeans does not change that fact that their primary forbears were nomadic Semites who spent centuries migrating through lands inhabited by Mongol and Negro racial types, further bastardizing their genepool.
While many here seem to be scoffing at the idea that Jews pose a threat by way of their relatively small numbers, what you are not taking cognizance of is the fact that the amount of control and influence they exert over every aspect of life has exceeded being disproportionate. With a stranglehold on the economy, Jews own and control most commercial entities, be it a small business or major corporation, commercial banks, and investment banks. They are over-represented in the field of academia, with Jewish professors indoctrinating, and in many cases forcing, their students to subcribe to, and repeat, their invariably left-wing, multicultural ideas. Most of all, Jews dominate every aspect of the media. They use film, television (particularly trash like MTV), radio, and print media to mainstream their degenerate ways and promote race-mixing, drug use, promiscuous sexual activity, homosexuality, liberalism, and other perversions. The primary targets for this propaganda are white youth.
Think about this; you don't see Jewish taxi drivers, labourers, janitors, or any other blue-collar profession. What you do see are Jewish doctors, lawyers, CEOs, politicians, professors, film writers, and any other position where they hold influence, power, and prestige in society. They are not simply a conventional nuisance as is the case with alien racial groups, but a genuine threat which presents itself in a subtle and covert manner to its victims.
Tolleson
03-11-2009, 07:03 PM
Is there something in the water? :spit:
Has Baskin and Robbins introduced a new Flavour of the Month? :mmmm:
Loyalist
03-11-2009, 07:17 PM
Is there something in the water? :spit:
Has Baskin and Robbins introduced a new Flavour of the Month? :mmmm:
Burt Baskin (http://www.nndb.com/people/979/000178445/) and Irv Robbins (http://www.nndb.com/people/980/000178446/), the founders of Baskin-Robbins, were Jews.
Ĉmeric
03-11-2009, 07:21 PM
Think about this; you don't see Jewish taxi drivers, labourers, janitors, or any other blue-collar profession. What you do see are Jewish doctors, lawyers, CEOs, politicians, professors, film writers, and any other position where they hold influence, power, and prestige in society. They are not simply a conventional nuisance as is the case with alien racial groups, but a genuine threat which presents itself in a subtle and covert manner to its victims.
Slightly off topic but; some immigration policies in the West are in effect creating a managerial class made up of particular ethnic groups. For example in Australia, many white collar professions are being in effect Sinicized. A similar process is well underway in California with much of the white collar & entrepeneurial class becoming Asian. It doesn't make sense to allow the most important parts of society & the economy to be taken over by an alien group that in the longterm will use their influence to the advantage of their own group.
Jews are most certainly not European, and I would also argue do not fall into the caucasian or "white" fold, either. Many Ashkenazi and Sephardi display clear signs of Oriental and Negro influence (small and slanted eyes, coarse and matted hair, etc.). Admixture with Europeans does not change that fact that their primary forbears were nomadic Semites who spent centuries migrating through lands inhabited by Mongol and Negro racial types, further bastardizing their genepool.
While many here seem to be scoffing at the idea that Jews pose a threat by way of their relatively small numbers, what you are not taking cognizance of is the fact that the amount of control and influence they exert over every aspect of life has exceeded being disproportionate. With a stranglehold on the economy, Jews own and control most commercial entities, be it a small business or major corporation, commercial banks, and investment banks. They are over-represented in the field of academia, with Jewish professors indoctrinating, and in many cases forcing, their students to subcribe to, and repeat, their invariably left-wing, multicultural ideas. Most of all, Jews dominate every aspect of the media. They use film, television (particularly trash like MTV), radio, and print media to mainstream their degenerate ways and promote race-mixing, drug use, promiscuous sexual activity, homosexuality, liberalism, and other perversions. The primary targets for this propaganda are white youth.
Think about this; you don't see Jewish taxi drivers, labourers, janitors, or any other blue-collar profession. What you do see are Jewish doctors, lawyers, CEOs, politicians, professors, film writers, and any other position where they hold influence, power, and prestige in society. They are not simply a conventional nuisance as is the case with alien racial groups, but a genuine threat which presents itself in a subtle and covert manner to its victims.
I couldn't agree with you more. I couldn't have said it better myself. Jews aren't white. If they were they'd be using their considerable wealth and power to prevent the dehumanization and extermination of whites. Instead they aid and abet it. We're supposed to care about Hitler, Rwanda, and Sudan. But the PC pundits who complain about these genocides don't seem at all concerned that whites, which are only a teen percentage of the world's population and falling, are being simultaneously flooded out of Europe and every place on the globe where they previously were the majority. Can you imagine this happening to blacks or Asians? When it does happen to primitive people in S America and the Pacific islands the PC crowd is outraged and fights for their protection and right to isolation. Whites however have no right to defend themselves, and no right to a border. Why is that?
:lalala:
Anyone else bored at this point?
Heimmacht
03-11-2009, 07:48 PM
QUOTE=SuuT;24707]:lalala:
Anyone else bored at this point?[/QUOTE]
:wavey001: OEW! OEW! Me me!
Ĉmeric
03-11-2009, 07:50 PM
It's not that bad. If it were you would unsubscribe to this thread.;) Just be glad it isn't about "Are the Irish (or Italians) White?" or about alleged Negro admixture in Anglo-Americans, then hell would break lose & someone would end up being banned.:D
:lalala:
Anyone else bored at this point?
Come now. I'm sure you can find more reasons to defend the jews.
Isn't it odd that even simple discussion of the jews meets with so much resistance, not only from jews, but by non-jews? Jews know that any discussion of Jews as a group is a Bad Thing, and they know to act accordingly. I can understand that Jews might feel threatened by blunt statements of blame pointed their way. I can understand why people, even non-Jews, might show up to try and argue against those statements. I cannot understand why they would resort to denial, deflection, and other dishonest tactics. Unless of course they have nothing better.
QUOTE=SuuT;24707]:lalala:
Anyone else bored at this point?
:wavey001: OEW! OEW! Me me!
Well, go read another thread. :thumb001:
Come now. I'm sure you can find more reasons to defend the jews.
Isn't it odd that even simple discussion of the jews meets with so much resistance, not only from jews, but by non-jews? Jews know that any discussion of Jews as a group is a Bad Thing, and they know to act accordingly. I can understand that Jews might feel threatened by blunt statements of blame pointed their way. I can understand why people, even non-Jews, might show up to try and argue against those statements. I cannot understand why they would resort to denial, deflection, and other dishonest tactics. Unless of course they have nothing better.
I'm starting to get annoyed at this point.
:ban?
HungAryan
11-03-2011, 12:28 PM
I don't really know where to post it.
I thought about posting to Anthropology (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=21) or Politics & Ideology (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=17), but I couldn't decide, so I decided to put it here.
Most Jews belong to the Armenoid or Arabid race, right?
Both races are sub-races of the Caucasian race.
So, here are some pictures of Jews:
http://www.yemen-today.com/go/thumbnail.php?file=May%20Pics/jew.jpg&size=article_medium
http://img2.timeinc.net/instyle/images/2009/transformation/1995-rachel-weisz-400.jpg
http://ziomania.com/ashkenazi/ash7.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Gabi_Ashkenazi5.jpg/508px-Gabi_Ashkenazi5.jpg
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSIflbcpgZvPviWd3UefzNwzYJLsL7t2-yPyoXcYIInhVh0zUKFMK9TdURI
http://img.allposters.com/6/LRG/10/1061/OTML000Z.jpg
Unurautare
11-03-2011, 12:35 PM
No,never. Even if some look white via admixture they still have a non-white culture and values.
HungAryan
11-03-2011, 12:35 PM
No,never. Even if some look white via admixture they still have a non-white culture and values.
Agreed.
Humanophage
11-03-2011, 12:36 PM
"Middle Eastern Semitic Arabs!" is too harsh a wording. They are simply a mix between whites (Europeans, that is), West Asians and Middle Easterners. When the first component predominates to the point when a person with some historical Jewish ancestry becomes genetically poorly distinguishable from most Europeans, this person becomes white.
More or less pure Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are not white. Look at that huge Middle Eastern and West Asian score:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/Genetics/DodecadSelectedNations.gif
Redar14
11-03-2011, 12:37 PM
Jews aren't race or nation! They are only nationalist religious sect! Most of them have european or khazarian origin!
HungAryan
11-03-2011, 12:41 PM
"Middle Eastern Semitic Arabs!" is too harsh a wording. They are simply a mix between whites (Europeans, that is), West Asians and Middle Easterners. When the first component predominates to the point when they are genetically poorly distinguishable from most Europeans, they become white.
White historically referred to people of European descent.
However, since Europeans colonized the Americas and Australia, the meaning of the word changes.
Instead of meaning people of European descent, "White" now means people who LOOK European. This also includes the non-Indoeuropean Finns, Hungarians, Estonians and Basques.
However, for many of us - including Civis Batavi, Hess, Unurautare, and me - being White is not just biological: it's also cultural.
For us, to be fully White, you have to be White both biologically and culturally. We consider Islam and Judaism to be incompatible with European culture, therefore we consider Jews, Turks, Albanians and Muslim Bosniaks non-white, no matter how European they look.
Humanophage
11-03-2011, 12:49 PM
White historically referred to people of European descent.
However, since Europeans colonized the Americas and Australia, the meaning of the word changes.
Instead of meaning people of European descent, "White" now means people who LOOK European. This also includes the non-Indoeuropean Finns, Hungarians, Estonians and Basques.
I am referring to 'Europeans' in the common sense of the word, not to Indo-Europeans. That, of course, includes European-Americans (and other colonials), Finns, et al. This is certainly a valid concept for physical anthropology and genetics:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3398/3611091867_b7f373e3e9.jpg
I don't really think one should assign too much importance to linguistic groups - Hungarians, for instance, are genetically inbetween Romanians, Germans and neighbouring Slavs. Their myths of a Central Asian descent are irrelevant to the physical world. Moreover, no one really regards them as Central Asians.
You don't really have to consider Turks non-European because of culture, they are non-European physically, even less so than Ashkenazi Jews. But it seems absurd to me to say that Bosniaks are not European. Culture and religion seem too fickle - so a person can switch many times in their life between being European and non-European?
HungAryan
11-03-2011, 12:53 PM
I am referring to 'Europeans' in the common sense of the word, not to Indo-Europeans. That, of course, includes European-Americans (and other colonials), Finns, et al. This is certainly a valid concept for physical anthropology and genetics:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3398/3611091867_b7f373e3e9.jpg
Still, Judaism is incompatible with European culture.
A white-looking Jew may be biologically white, but culturally not. That makes him/her only 50% white.
Half-white = NOT white
I don't really think one should assign too much importance to linguistic groups - Hungarians, for instance, are genetically inbetween Romanians, Germans and neighbouring Slavs.
Hungarians are genetically a mix between Eastern Europeans and Western Europeans, with a little bit of Nordic and Mediterranean admixture in some Hungarians.
Allegedly Hungarian females "more Hungarian" than Hungarian males.
Moreover, no one really regards them as Central Asians.
Some Romanian, Serbian and Slovakian propagandists and Nationalists do, and call us "Mongols".
Redar14
11-03-2011, 12:54 PM
Jew from China
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ReSsi9D1nEE/Tf6qXroBEfI/AAAAAAAAAag/X8SEKIcimE8/s1600/Chinese+Jew.PNG
Jew from Poland:
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/9/7726/z7726429X,Bronislaw-Geremek.jpg
African Jew:
http://fzp.net.pl/sites/default/files/artykuly/izrael/etiopia1.jpg
THEY ARE ONLY SECT!
HungAryan
11-03-2011, 12:54 PM
Culture and religion seem too fickle - so a person can switch many times in their life between being European and non-European?
If a European converts to Judaism or Islam, he ceases to be European.
As simple as that.
Humanophage
11-03-2011, 01:05 PM
If a European converts to Judaism or Islam, he ceases to be European.
As simple as that.
What if he converts back to Christianity, paganism, atheism, some New Age religion? Will he be European again, after a brief period of being Asian?
Hungarians are genetically a mix between Eastern Europeans and Western Europeans, with a little bit of Nordic and Mediterranean admixture in some Hungarians.
Allegedly Hungarian females "more Hungarian" than Hungarian males.
Well, I don't think I missed any elements in my description.
I think you mean Hungarian mtDNA features a few Asian haplogroups, while their YDNA doesn't, but I'm referring to autosomal DNA.
Still, Judaism is incompatible with European culture.
A white-looking Jew may be biologically white, but culturally not. That makes him/her only 50% white.
Half-white = NOT white
What if he denounces Judaism and Jewish culture, and claims allegiance to a European culture?
THEY ARE ONLY SECT!
Then Turkics are a sect as well. Ashkenazi Jews, Sephardic Jews, Mountain Jews are all certainly proper ethnic groups very distinct from the neighbouring peoples.
Eldritch
11-03-2011, 01:06 PM
:coffee: :coffee: :coffee:
Learn to use the search function. This has been discussed (with no appreciable benefit to anyone, btw) here multiple times.
Mortimer
11-07-2012, 02:13 PM
I know they do kinda resemble the White Guy, but do you accept them?
finŝaų
11-07-2012, 02:14 PM
I don't care about the "White" concept at all. I guess the general Ashkenazi Jew would be considered White in America.
Mortimer
11-07-2012, 02:15 PM
I don't care about the "White" concept at all. I guess the general Ashkenazi Jew would be considered White in America.
you dont care maybe for the White concept but would you mind one of them mixing with your daughter or sister?
Absinthe
11-07-2012, 02:24 PM
Cut it out with the "White" threads. Nobody else here is obsessed with "whiteness". We can't take it anymore.
Mortimer
11-07-2012, 02:26 PM
Cut it out with the "White" threads. Nobody else here is obsessed with "whiteness". We can't take it anymore.
why oh why, even you my son brute
curiousman
11-07-2012, 02:27 PM
White or not for sure they are not European
Absinthe
11-07-2012, 02:28 PM
I am not your son Brutus :D I am not saying this in a bad way. You're driving yourself nuts and driving everybody else nuts as well. You open an average of 5 threads/day about who's white and who's not. This is not healthy, don't you see? Just take your mind off of it, amigo! :)
Germaniac
11-07-2012, 03:34 PM
Whites are whites, jews are jews. Different origins, different religions, different cultures, different RACES.
finŝaų
11-07-2012, 03:47 PM
Whites are whites, jews are jews. Different origins, different religions, different cultures, different RACES.
That would depend on how one goes about defining race, but if "Caucasoid" generally applies Ashkenazi Jews would be considered "White".
Most of them aren't even Semitic but Khazars.
ficuscarica
11-07-2012, 04:01 PM
Most of them aren't even Semitic but Khazars.
troo, most are reptilian khazars with phallus obsession
Insuperable
11-07-2012, 04:33 PM
Most of them aren't even Semitic but Khazars.
Its been said so many times that Khazar hypothesis has beeen debunked since their origin points towards Mediterranean.
They cluster with Greeks and South Italians and some go far to say that Asheknazis are south Italian converts. Some people here say that there is similarity between Italians and Ashkenazis because of Jewish influence in Italy. It is very likely that they are converts rather than that.
Sultan Suleiman
11-07-2012, 04:39 PM
I accept Whites as Jews.
exceeder
11-07-2012, 04:46 PM
Ashkenazi & Sephardi are 'white' imo.
The rest (ie yemenites) not so much.
Insuperable
11-07-2012, 04:48 PM
As Jewish example lets take Hank Azaria: http://www.nndb.com/people/584/000023515/
race or ethnicith: white
Lets take Ahmadinejad as another example:
http://www.nndb.com/people/673/000098379/
Race or ethnicity: Middle Eastern
Lets take Paula Abdul as a mix of Syrian and Ashkenazi:
http://www.nndb.com/people/883/000025808/
Race or ethnicity: Multiracial
So, I trust nndb:D
I accept Whites as Jews.
I got the author rights about that! :D
StonyArabia
11-07-2012, 04:53 PM
They look White to me and are seen as such so yes.
Sultan Suleiman
11-07-2012, 05:04 PM
I got the author rights about that! :D
Lol didn't even see your comment :)
SKYNET
11-07-2012, 05:14 PM
no they are aliens in the white Europe
Smaug
11-07-2012, 05:35 PM
Ashkenazim have more European blood than Semitic, so I guess they are at least it the fringe of being white. Also, most of the Ashkenazi population live in New World countries (USA, Brazil, Argentina, etc...) and have a completely Western lifestyle.
Incel King
11-07-2012, 06:03 PM
Racially seen, Jews are Whites with strong Semitic/Middle Eastern Brown influences. I mean Jews from Europe and new world European colonial countries.
Flintlocke
11-07-2012, 06:08 PM
Do they see themselves as white and support white racial interests?
Tabiti
11-07-2012, 06:21 PM
Jew is not a racial term.
Germanicus
11-07-2012, 06:29 PM
Cut it out with the "White" threads. Nobody else here is obsessed with "whiteness". We can't take it anymore.
Fuck yeah...he's not doing this community any favours....ban him...please!
kabeiros
11-07-2012, 06:29 PM
Jews are red
SKYNET
11-07-2012, 06:32 PM
jews are parasites.
Visigoth
11-07-2012, 06:33 PM
Jews are Oriental.
fwsySS2EzgU
Flintlocke
11-07-2012, 06:38 PM
Cut it out with the "White" threads. Nobody else here is obsessed with "whiteness". We can't take it anymore.
No don't! Otherwise he'll start with the sex and relationship threads :D
Absinthe
11-07-2012, 06:51 PM
No don't! Otherwise he'll start with the sex and relationship threads :D
I prefer those, to be honest. At least they have more substance and real life value than the "white or not" topics. :p
Svipdag
11-08-2012, 01:54 AM
no they are aliens in the white Europe
Jews who speak Yiddish have been living in Europe AT LEAST since the 16th century. How long does it take to become a European ?
"CONSVETVDO LOCI OBSERVANDA EST" - Anonymous
Albion
11-08-2012, 04:23 PM
Ashkenazi - yes
Sephardi - not sure
The rest - no
StonyArabia
11-08-2012, 04:25 PM
Most of them aren't even Semitic but Khazars.
Khazar blood certainly exist among the Ashkenazim. Yet Sephardi don't have it.
finŝaų
11-08-2012, 04:37 PM
I Jew Jew as Jew Jew Jew, White.
curiousman
11-08-2012, 06:05 PM
Jews who speak Yiddish have been living in Europe AT LEAST since the 16th century. How long does it take to become a European ?
"CONSVETVDO LOCI OBSERVANDA EST" - Anonymous
Sefardic Jews have been living in (Southern) Europe since I century B.C. ... but they are not Europeans by ethnicity and ancestry, they are a "host people" as the Gypsies.
Kelta
11-11-2012, 03:34 PM
I think most (not all) Jews are from a different ethnic group. They are from Asia Minor but also a different tribe apart from most Europeans. Jews have had many laws forbidding marriage to nonjews (also reversed). Most Europeans cannot link a birth mother to a Jewish mother (Old Testament). At least from studies, Whites came from Caucasus Mts. and ancient Persia (Iran)) about 30,000 BC(?). Some European Jews converted from Catholicism due to marriage or other reasons so they don't have heredity link. Over generations of having off-springs among Jewish persons, they will be more Jewish "by blood" and less European descent as time goes. There are also Jews who converted from Judaism to Catholicism and mixed in with local populations. You can be Catholic but of any ethnicity like being Jewish but if you apply birth mother ties, then I don't see most Jews as White. They're proud of their Abraham lineage being a detailed Jewish histories of their people. Unfortunately most of us don't have that type of detailed and organized information.
lei.talk
11-18-2012, 03:47 AM
Cut it out with the "White" threads. Nobody else here is obsessed with "whiteness"....You're driving yourself nuts and driving everybody else nuts as well. You open an average of 5 threads/day about who's white and who's not.perhaps a moderator
could conglomerate all of them
in to one lengthy Inquiring Mind's Questions of Whiteness :thumbs
Pecheneg
11-18-2012, 04:08 AM
I think most (not all) Jews are from a different ethnic group. They are from Asia Minor
No they are not.
Fortis in Arduis
11-18-2012, 07:43 AM
The genetics tell us that the Ashkenazim do cluster with Southern Italians and Greeks, which suggests that some Southern Italians and Greeks are also drawn from the Armenoid populations that the Ashkenazim were drawn from.
This can even be seen in old racial maps of Italy where there are patches of Armenoid.
Although I totally believe that these Jews at least partly originated in Israel, in the context of their clustering with Southern Europeans, it is not possible to say that they are not white and European, because genetically, they are, even if some aspects of their culture gives them an extra-European outlook.
The Lawspeaker
11-18-2012, 08:02 AM
Jews who speak Yiddish have been living in Europe AT LEAST since the 16th century. How long does it take to become a European ?
"CONSVETVDO LOCI OBSERVANDA EST" - Anonymous
You can't become European. You either are or you aren't. Jews aren't.
The Lawspeaker
11-18-2012, 08:03 AM
Do they see themselves as white and support white racial interests?
The answer to that would be a resounding "NO !".
Fortis in Arduis
11-18-2012, 08:06 AM
You can't become European. You either are or you aren't. Jews aren't.
Magyars?
The Lawspeaker
11-18-2012, 08:08 AM
Magyars?
Through intermarriage with those that surrounded them. But the Jews didn't so much and they kept their own culture, their own religion, their own ways that set them apart.
Fortis in Arduis
11-18-2012, 08:14 AM
Through intermarriage with those that surrounded them. But the Jews didn't so much and they kept their own culture, their own religion, their own ways that set them apart.
You can't become European. You either are or you aren't. Jews aren't.
Double-standards, but that is no surprise:
Will your future spouse become European through intermarriage? :eyes
I am so over reading your shrill posts, you are like Inese now.
The Lawspeaker
11-18-2012, 08:15 AM
Double-standards.
So what ? Magyars are not hostile. :thumb001:
Fortis in Arduis
11-18-2012, 08:29 AM
So what ? Magyars are not hostile. :thumb001:
It is clear that, as the genetics of the Ashkenazim do not place them outside Europe, if their descendants cease to identify as Jewish, as many have, especially in America, where there is a lot of intermarriage, then that is the benchmark for you:
Jewish identity makes Ashkenazim extra-European, not their genetics.
This, however, poses another question:
Could two married European converts to Judaism and their subsequent progeny become non-European?
According to you, yes.
In my experience, this is not the case, because I have known such people and they are just Europeans with a different religion.
We have to accept that all the religions of the book are extra-European, and personally, I think that the least ridiculous one of the three is Judaism. Judaism makes better bullshit than the two "soft options". ;)
The Lawspeaker
11-18-2012, 08:33 AM
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No I don't. Jews are not European dot. Deal with it.
Anglojew
11-18-2012, 08:37 AM
I'm European and my ancestors have lived in Europe for 2000 years. Who is some guy who's ancestors were barbarians during the Roman Empire to tell me I'm not European?
Fortis in Arduis
11-18-2012, 08:38 AM
No I don't. Jews are not European dot. Deal with it.
It is not logical, but it is consistent, because you also inferred that: 'Bosnian muslims are not European', in many of your previous rants.
Remember those?
BACK FROM THE MEMORY HOLE! :biggrin:
I'm European and my ancestors have lived in Europe for 2000 years. Who is some guy who's ancestors were barbarians during the Roman Empire to tell me I'm not European?
The argument is on grounds of culture, because Hungarians are new Europeans who assimilated, and that is just peachy (apparently) but Islam and Christianity are not native to Europe either, so what gives?
The Lawspeaker
11-18-2012, 08:40 AM
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Frankly: I don't care what you think, Fortis. People that are hostile to us (and Jews are, which makes you a little bit of a traitor) are not European. They have lived here but that's about it. And even if Jews have so "much European DNA" then that should show in their looks: it doesn't. So what does this mean ? That the results have been fraudulent. And what else does this mean ? That they are not European.
Fortis in Arduis
11-18-2012, 09:07 AM
Frankly: I don't care what you think, Fortis. People that are hostile to us (and Jews are, which makes you a little bit of a traitor) are not European. They have lived here but that's about it. And even if Jews have so "much European DNA" then that should show in their looks: it doesn't. So what does this mean ? That the results have been fraudulent. And what else does this mean ? That they are not European.
No, it means that you are a fraudulent. There are plenty of Italians and Greeks who have Armenoid features, deal with it. Are they are all Jews or their descendants? No.
Clearly, Europeans are not primarily defined by their religion, if anything Europeans are defined by their freedom of religion.
Given your previous insults directed towards European converts to Islam, your attitude towards Jewish people would be consistently bigoted, if you included Christian Europeans in your vituperations, but you do not, and it does not make sense. :crazy:
Against illogic. ;)
Anusiya
11-18-2012, 09:08 AM
I'm European and my ancestors have lived in Europe for 2000 years. Who is some guy who's ancestors were barbarians during the Roman Empire to tell me I'm not European?
This quite frankly, is a fair argument. I welcome that.
The Lawspeaker
11-18-2012, 09:08 AM
No, it means that you are a fraudulent. There are plenty of Italians and Greeks who have Armenoid features, deal with it. Are they are all Jews or their descendants? No.
Clearly, Europeans are not primarily defined by their religion, if anything Europeans are defined by their freedom of religion.
Given your previous insults directed towards European converts to Islam, your attitude towards Jewish people would be consistently bigoted, if you included Christian Europeans in your vituperations, but you do not, and it does not make sense. :crazy:
Against illogic. ;)
That's what the libs claim. :D Man you have become quite the multiculturalist, have you ? Europeans have generally been Pagan and then Christian. Now either Pagan, Christian or secular. Islam or Judaism are not European traditions.
Fortis in Arduis
11-18-2012, 09:20 AM
Europeans have generally been Pagan and then Christian. Now either Pagan, Christian or secular. Islam or Judaism are not European traditions.
There is nothing really European about Christianity apart from the pagan traditions which have been subsumed into the European Christian traditions, and I am sitting in my dad's vicarage telling you this.
Nevertheless, it does not matter, because we are not primarily defined by our religion, are we?
ficuscarica
11-18-2012, 09:25 AM
What astonishes me is that on the one hand side Jew haters say they are European and therefore shouldn´t be in Israel. And in another context they claim that Jews are not European but Middle Eastern. Classic hypocritical opportunism.
In my opinion the Ashkenazis and some Sephardis are half Euro and half Middle Eastern, while the Mizrahis are of course fully non-White Middle Easterners.
Anyway, Jew haters don´t argue with logic, but out of blind hatred. Jews that fought for Germany in WW I, converted to protestantism, married German wifes (and therefore had non-Jewish children according to the Jewish law), still were persecuted. Simply out of stupidity.
Anglojew
11-18-2012, 09:37 AM
European Jews are whiter then the Spaniards, Portuguese, Russians and other groups Tuan accepts as European therefore Tuan is being disingenuous in his criticism of Jews from a racial aspect and is Wrong from a racial point of view.
European Jews have been in Europe before many European nations were even formed (eg longer than Russia, Hungary, England existed etc) and in Europe at a time some European's ancestors were still on the central Asian steppes. Jews were part of the Roman and Greek worlds when Tuan's ancestors were considered foreign barbarians. Therefore he's wrong from a political point of view.
Jews helped shape Europe including introducing such intrinsic parts of European identity as Christianity to Europe. Jews have contributed more to European culture per capita than any other ethnic group in Europe. So therefore Tuan's wrong from a cultural point of view.
European Jews are whiter then the Spaniards, Portuguese, Russians and other groups Tuan accepts as European therefore Tuan is being disingenuous in his criticism of Jews from a racial aspect and is Wrong from a racial point of view.
European Jews have been in Europe before many European nations were even formed (eg longer than Russia, Hungary, England existed etc) and in Europe at a time some European's ancestors were still on the central Asian steppes. Jews were part of the Roman and Greek worlds when Tuan's ancestors were considered foreign barbarians. Therefore he's wrong from a political point of view.
Jews helped shape Europe including introducing such intrinsic parts of European identity as Christianity to Europe. Jews have contributed more to European culture per capita than any other ethnic group in Europe. So therefore Tuan's wrong from a cultural point of view.
But Iberians usually (not always) have more Northern European admixture.
ficuscarica
11-18-2012, 09:40 AM
There is nothing really European about Christianity apart from the pagan traditions which have been subsumed into the European Christian traditions, and I am sitting in my dad's vicarage telling you this.
Nevertheless, it does not matter, because we are not primarily defined by our religion, are we?
Christianity is European in the sense that it came to Europe peacefully, by the apostle Paul, and was first accepted by Europeans by their own decision.
Also, and this is more important, christianity is not a cultural concept, but about the relationship with God. The bible talks about how God created and wants different cultures, the only thing that has to be dropped are evil aspects of culture that go against love and morality. Modern missionaries therefore try to teach people to live with and for Jesus but at the same time preserving their culture (apart from evil aspects of it).
This is by the way one of the reasons why I, as a Christian, strongly oppose multiculturalism and intense race-mixing: It goes against the beauty of cultural and phenotypical diversity that God created. Mutual love, respect, interest and exchange and at the same time maintaining our own cultural and ethnic profiles - I think that is how it should be.
Anglojew
11-18-2012, 09:43 AM
What astonishes me is that on the one hand side Jew haters say they are European and therefore shouldn´t be in Israel. And in another context they claim that Jews are not European but Middle Eastern. Classic hypocritical opportunism.
In my opinion the Ashkenazis and some Sephardis are half Euro and half Middle Eastern, while the Mizrahis are of course fully non-White Middle Easterners.
Anyway, Jew haters don´t argue with logic, but out of blind hatred. Jews that fought for Germany in WW I, converted to protestantism, married German wifes (and therefore had non-Jewish children according to the Jewish law), still were persecuted. Simply out of stupidity.
You're so right: jews shouldn't be in Israel nor in Europe according to Nazi Tuan. There's no point debating with someone like him he literally only wants us dead. He's a walking advertisement for why Israel needs a strong army and why Israel should ignore criticism.
Fortis in Arduis
11-18-2012, 09:44 AM
What astonishes me is that on the one hand side Jew haters say they are European and therefore shouldn´t be in Israel. And in another context they claim that Jews are not European but Middle Eastern. Classic hypocritical opportunism.
In my opinion the Ashkenazim and some Sephardim are half Euro and half Middle Eastern, while the Mizrahim are of course fully non-White Middle Easterners.
Fine, but the Ashkenazim overlap with (so far as we know, pre-existing) European populations, so they are no less European than Mediterranean Europeans genetically, and this is what really confuses the Jew haters' logic. If anything they are more definitively European, than those Southern Europeans because they partly descend from Northern Europeans, who are more archetypal, but that is another shitstorm for another time. :pound:
Anglojew
11-18-2012, 09:47 AM
But Iberians usually (not always) have more Northern European admixture.
Iberians have something like 7% subsaharan admixture. Also, 20% have Jewish DNA anyway further defeating Tuan's argument.
ficuscarica
11-18-2012, 09:50 AM
You're so right: jews shouldn't be in Israel nor in Europe according to Nazi Tuan. There's no point debating with someone like him he literally only wants us dead. He's a walking advertisement for why Israel needs a strong army and why Israel should ignore criticism.
Right. Some people simply want the Jews dead. Anyway, Israel will never be destroyed. And if it takes my life to help, so be it. :thumb001:
No, they never assimilate and change loyalty as socks. I'm always disgusted to see all those Jews who fled Poland 50 years ago and pretend they're the biggest French patriots, when we all know that the day troubles come, they'll all take a seat for Israel.
Anglojew
11-18-2012, 09:53 AM
No, they never assimilate and change loyalty as socks. I'm always disgusted to see all those Jews who fled Poland 50 years ago and pretend they're the biggest French patriots, when we all know that the day troubles come, they'll all take a seat for Israel.
Says the Bosnian living in Belgium.
Fortis in Arduis
11-18-2012, 10:00 AM
Iberians have something like 7% subsaharan admixture. Also, 20% have Jewish DNA anyway further defeating Tuan's argument.
The figures are nothing like that actually and we have done that one to death here so many times before. It is an amazing shitstorm to enter in to, and I would really avoid doing it... :D Those figures are the distorted rubbish of multiculturalists, and the admixture is negligible and archaic.
Tuan employs the culture argument anyway, but that does not stand.
It is a Jew-hater. :rolleyes:
Anglojew
11-18-2012, 10:07 AM
The figures are nothing like that actually and we have done that one to death here so many times before. It is an amazing shitstorm to enter in to, and I would really avoid doing it... :D Those figures are the distorted rubbish of multiculturalists, and the admixture is negligible and archaic.
Tuan employs the culture argument anyway, but that does not stand.
It is a Jew-hater. :rolleyes:
Iberia South Iberia 310 Casas et al. (2006) 7.40%
The Lawspeaker
11-18-2012, 10:08 AM
Right. Some people simply want the Jews dead. Anyway, Israel will never be destroyed. And if it takes my life to help, so be it. :thumb001:
So that means that you choose against your own country. I will use this quote. :D
finŝaų
11-18-2012, 10:10 AM
On the topic of North European admixture; it seems the Aleuts have more of it than the English. :P
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4985694/1/
ficuscarica
11-18-2012, 10:14 AM
So that means that you choose against your own country. I will use this quote. :D
No. I never wrote that. That is just another case of intellectual diarrhea spraying out of your mouth as it is always the case as soon as you read the word Jew or Israel.
The Lawspeaker
11-18-2012, 10:14 AM
No. I never wrote that. That is just another case of intellectual diarrhea spraying out of your mouth as it is always the case as soon as you read the word Jew or Israel.
Haha.. no you just confessed to it and we will keep you to your confession. :thumb001:
Says the Bosnian living in Belgium.
Bosnia and Belgium are compatible since both people's values aren't about supremacy, hatred toward other people, malice, cowardice, hypocrisy...
Albion
11-18-2012, 10:21 AM
I'm European and my ancestors have lived in Europe for 2000 years. Who is some guy who's ancestors were barbarians during the Roman Empire to tell me I'm not European?
European barbarians though. ;)
European Jews are whiter then the Spaniards, Portuguese, Russians and other groups Tuan accepts as European therefore Tuan is being disingenuous in his criticism of Jews from a racial aspect and is Wrong from a racial point of view.
Whoa! :eek: They're more Central and Northern European perhaps, not more European in general.
European Jews have been in Europe before many European nations were even formed (eg longer than Russia, Hungary, England existed etc)
So what? The ancestors of those nations and the tribes that would eventually form them were here (Except Hungarians (Magyars) - but they likely absorbed the earlier Slavic, Celtic and Germanic inhabitants giving them a claim to some sort of nativeness).
and in Europe at a time some European's ancestors were still on the central Asian steppes.
But Celts, Germanics and Italics were in their roughly modern areas though. Celts in Iberia and France became assimilated and Germanics have spread a bit further south and west.
Jews were part of the Roman and Greek worlds when Tuan's ancestors were considered foreign barbarians. Therefore he's wrong from a political point of view.
Obviously they'd be foreign. Etruscans and Iberians were foreign until the Romans conquered them too. Jews were foreign - anyone not of the same ethnicity (or at least a closely related one) is foreign.
Jews helped shape Europe including introducing such intrinsic parts of European identity as Christianity to Europe. Jews have contributed more to European culture per capita than any other ethnic group in Europe. So therefore Tuan's wrong from a cultural point of view.
But if they introduced Christianity then they weren't Jews, they were just Christians from the Levant. Jewish in ancestry, but not Jewish by religion.
Christianity is European in the sense that it came to Europe peacefully, by the apostle Paul, and was first accepted by Europeans by their own decision.
Not all Europeans accepted it peacefully though. You can't generalise on this. Lithuanians resisted it for centuries (eventually, as in much of history - their monarch allowed his people to be converted to it).
Anglojew
11-18-2012, 10:22 AM
Bosnia and Belgium are compatible since both people's values aren't about supremacy, hatred toward other people, malice, cowardice, hypocrisy...
You left Bosnia as the first sign of trouble. You're a hypocrite. You're no patriot.
Also, tell the 100,000s or expelled Serbs Bosnians aren't supremacists.
You left Bosnia as the first sign of trouble. You're a hypocrite.
You don't know shit about what my family lived.
ficuscarica
11-18-2012, 10:28 AM
Not all Europeans accepted it peacefully though. You can't generalise on this. Lithuanians resisted it for centuries (eventually, as in much of history - their monarch allowed his people to be converted to it).
Everything that is forced on people may be called christianity, but is not christianity in the original sense. The very core of christianity is the free decision to love, trust and follow Jesus. This can´t be forced on a person. There has never been in history a forced conversion to real christianity, but only to pseudo christianity. The guy who cut down the thor´s oak (Bonifatius), and the Irish monks who travelled and evangelized much of Europe - they spread christianity, not some violent, evil rulers.
A forced conversion to christianity is an oxymoron, like violent pacifism or anorexic obesity.
Anusiya
11-18-2012, 10:28 AM
But if they introduced Christianity then they weren't Jews, they were just Christians from the Levant. Jewish in ancestry, but not Jewish by religion.
Actually he is right in this. Christianity was a Greco-Judaeo political act intended to work as a barrier for Roman economic expansion in the Levant and Eastern Mediterranean.
We all know well, how that ended up. The Romans saw it coming and they took it up instead. :picard2:
I hate them! :D
Anglojew
11-18-2012, 10:31 AM
You don't know shit about what my family lived.
So stop claiming you know everything about mine.
sevruk
11-18-2012, 10:50 AM
Jews have done too many bad things to white and continue to do, so no, they are not white
So stop claiming you know everything about mine.
I never claimed so, you're victimizing yourself, I just noticed that Jews never assimilated.
If Jews are white/light in skin color, denounce/minimize any affiliation with Semitic culture, think of themselves and behave as Europeans first and foremost, (within the countries they're in) then they can be considered ipso facto 'white'.
Kazimiera
11-18-2012, 11:12 AM
The last time I checked, Judaism was a religion and not an ethnic group. There are Jews of all different races across the globe.
SKYNET
11-18-2012, 11:18 AM
shiiiiit man, we hear we see always the problems of jews and arabs via media, and here too. Go back to your fucking homeland with your abrahamic religions, we are tired of you. Israel and Saudi Arabia are waiting for you. This thread should be burned with fire
don't ask me why
Rouxinol
11-18-2012, 11:19 AM
European Jews are whiter then the Spaniards, Portuguese, Russians and other groups Tuan accepts as European therefore Tuan is being disingenuous in his criticism of Jews from a racial aspect and is Wrong from a racial point of view.
I love it that these over complexed guys always use southern Europeans as scapegoats for their very own frustrations. It's not that it's discussable whether those groups above mentioned are European or not. Their ethnogenesis was in Europe, so they are European whether you like it or not. Non-European influences are minor (as in many other countries of Europe) and are not representative of the entire populations. Why do you want to be accepted as "white" so badly? For God's sake! Accept you're a Jew and Jews are not native to Europe... One might have the most pinkish white skin and the bluest eyes on earth, you'll not be European by any means. Get the fuck over it.
http://www.edrants.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/alan_greenspan.jpg
Rouxinol
11-18-2012, 11:25 AM
The last time I checked, Judaism was a religion and not an ethnic group. There are Jews of all different races across the globe.
I met this very old Jewish lady. She used to come by every afternoon and sit to chat a bit. A very educated woman. She came to Portugal age 6 with her parents. They were fleeing the Nazis in the 30s. Although they were "Polish" Jews, they felt like something bad was going to happen to them - and it did. Do you think she identifies herself as Polish or Portuguese? No! She identifies herself as a JEW. They are not just followers of a religion...
Kazimiera
11-18-2012, 11:30 AM
I met this very old Jewish lady. She used to come by every afternoon and sit to chat a bit. A very educated woman. She came to Portugal age 6 with her parents. They were fleeing the Nazis in the 30s. Although they were "Polish" Jews, they felt like something bad was going to happen to them - and it did. Do you think she identifies herself as Polish or Portuguese? No! She identifies herself as a JEW. They are not just followers of a religion...
Anyone of any race can covert to Judaism.
Rouxinol
11-18-2012, 11:32 AM
Anyone of any race can covert to Judaism.
Yeah, but most of them Jews are not converts from other races.
Kazimiera
11-18-2012, 11:34 AM
Yeah, but most of them Jews are not converts from other races.
Yes, the Semites. The religion comes with the race. But what I am trying to get at specifically is the Judaism is a religion. And most of the Jews, as you say, are not converts.
Albion
11-18-2012, 11:53 AM
On the topic of North European admixture; it seems the Aleuts have more of it than the English. :P
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4985694/1/
Pardon me, but that sounds like a load of crap.
Russians, Scandinavians and British sailors and explorers seem to have sowed their seed in the Aleutian Islands, some are more European than they are Amerindian.
England has been colonised from two directions throughout history anyway - South from France and along the Atlantic coast, and east from Northern Europe.
We're "North western", not exclusively Northern or Western, but in between the two.
British Islanders have amongst the lowest non-European admixture in Europe, whereas those Aleuts will be almost entirely Amerinidan on their maternal side. You can't compare the two.
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3755/britishadmixture2.png
Albion
11-18-2012, 12:06 PM
The last time I checked, Judaism was a religion and not an ethnic group. There are Jews of all different races across the globe.
That's true, but they do claim descent from the tribes of Israel. Even the Ethiopian Jews claimed to be from Israel. That's one of the main differences between it and the other Abrahamic religions - the claim to Israel is ingrained into the religion.
Graus
11-18-2012, 12:38 PM
Jews are whatever fits them most at the moment.
finŝaų
11-18-2012, 01:10 PM
Pardon me, but that sounds like a load of crap.
Russians, Scandinavians and British sailors and explorers seem to have sowed their seed in the Aleutian Islands, some are more European than they are Amerindian.
England has been colonised from two directions throughout history anyway - South from France and along the Atlantic coast, and east from Northern Europe.
We're "North western", not exclusively Northern or Western, but in between the two.
British Islanders have amongst the lowest non-European admixture in Europe, whereas those Aleuts will be almost entirely Amerinidan on their maternal side. You can't compare the two.
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3755/britishadmixture2.png
Brits score around 45% North European on dodecad, iirc.
Albion
11-18-2012, 01:36 PM
Brits score around 45% North European on dodecad, iirc.
That basically refers to North Eastern Europe, otherwise Russians and Lithuanians wouldn't score so high. Britain barely has any R1a and N is practically non-existent, it's obviously not going to be as North Eastern as Russia.
Russians fucking (raping?) Aleutian women and leaving there genetic legacy is reason for weird Aleutian genetics.
Here's a map of "North European":
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8557/20762547.jpg
Obviously it has a north eastern bias. "North European" is a misnomer.
Krampus
12-27-2013, 03:31 AM
Yes or no question. I think yes.
Mortimer
12-27-2013, 03:32 AM
to me yes.
Smeagol
12-27-2013, 03:32 AM
Khazars.
GrebluBro
12-27-2013, 03:33 AM
if no,
so is mighty Greeks, southern Italians
Sikeliot
12-27-2013, 03:33 AM
Yes.
Longbowman
12-27-2013, 03:33 AM
White with some Levantine admixture, but if they aren't, then neither are southern meds (by measures of genetic fairness).
TheBlondeSalad
12-27-2013, 03:34 AM
They do look white
Krampus
12-27-2013, 03:34 AM
Khazars.
Don't know what those are but I'm pretty sure they're Jewish.
Smeagol
12-27-2013, 03:35 AM
Don't know what those are but I'm pretty sure they're Jewish.
Ancestors of Ashkenazis.
YeshAtid
12-27-2013, 03:36 AM
Yes
Incal
12-27-2013, 04:03 AM
Sort of.
This.
Yaroslav
12-27-2013, 04:17 AM
All Jews, except Ethiopian Jews, are white. All Arabs, Turks, Kurds, and Persians are white too.
MarkyMark
12-27-2013, 04:21 AM
If a Semites, Germanics, and Turkics people are all white then yes, Ashkenazis are white.
beeee
01-07-2014, 11:42 PM
Race is ALSO an idea, and a romantic one.
It starts with self-perception.
Loads of brainwashed wasp lefties don´t even acknowledge they are white...
Meanwhile, loads of woggish hybrids masturbate on their possible affiliation with the Great Race.:rolleyes:
YeshAtid
01-23-2014, 07:06 PM
If Greeks and Sicilians are accepted as white, then so must AJs. You can't have your knish and eat it :D
Anglojew
01-23-2014, 07:08 PM
Whiter than white
Longbowman
01-23-2014, 09:05 PM
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?111211-A-Brief-List-of-Jewish-Ethnicities&highlight=list+jewish+ethnicities
^Breaks it down.
portusaus
01-23-2014, 09:09 PM
No.
Ianus
02-09-2014, 09:02 AM
How many stupid thread like this are there?
They are Caucasoid without doubt.
SardiniaAtlantis
02-09-2014, 09:03 AM
How many stupid thread like this are there?
They are Caucasoid without doubt.
Plus No such thing as White only Caucasian with Light Skin!
Prisoner Of Ice
02-09-2014, 09:04 AM
They started off looking like Blond Jesus, but some have mixed since then and darkened to varying degrees and all sorts of people have converted.
Smeagol
02-09-2014, 09:09 AM
White as in European Europid, then it depends. Many Jews are.
Weedman
02-09-2014, 09:14 AM
Jews are "white" as long as they act right.........if not, then it's back to the Blacks they go!
LOL
Taiga Lake
02-09-2014, 09:23 AM
No they are yellow Asians.
Germaniac
02-09-2014, 10:01 AM
Most Sepahardic Jews and almost all Ashkenazi Jews are white, their DNA clustering with some Southern Europeans like Sicilians, Greeks and Southern Italians.
YeshAtid
02-09-2014, 10:04 AM
Most Sepahardic Jews and all Ashkenazi Jews are white, their DNA clustering with some Southern Europeans like Sicilians, Greeks and Southern Italians.
Fixed, for clarity.
Anglojew
02-09-2014, 10:34 AM
Lily white
DeaththeKid
02-09-2014, 10:39 AM
Jew's aren't a race not since they were scattered around the world. Heck just look at the diversity of Israeli Jews.
Biologically they seems to be mixed, most Askhenazi Jews have that strong Armenoid component which often made them looking exotic.
YeshAtid
03-01-2014, 01:26 PM
The genetics tell us that the Ashkenazim do cluster with Southern Italians and Greeks, which suggests that some Southern Italians and Greeks are also drawn from the Armenoid populations that the Ashkenazim were drawn from.
This can even be seen in old racial maps of Italy where there are patches of Armenoid.
Although I totally believe that these Jews at least partly originated in Israel, in the context of their clustering with Southern Europeans, it is not possible to say that they are not white and European, because genetically, they are, even if some aspects of their culture gives them an extra-European outlook.
I agree with the premise of your post, but I do harbor some reservations.
The armenoid element in European Jewry is certainly present, but it is hideously overstated. If one were to observe a group of Azkhenazim then it would be evident that they vary phenotypically, ranging from nordids to armeno-meds (present in Southern Europeans).
The primary reason why they cluster with Southern Europeans is because the bulk of their ancestry emanates from Sicilian converts. Whilst both groups have Levantine ancestry, I am skeptical of any significant Israelite input.
One has to further note that Levantines are largely caucasoid and in most cases can pass as European Europids. This is particularly prevalent among Christians due to their isolation.
I agree there are certain element of Jewish culture that may at a superficial glance appear extra-European, but upon closer inspection are relatively incorporated. Yiddish is a prime example; a creole of German and Hebrew. It is overwhelmingly Indo-European, but I can see where misconceptions arise. Case in point, it dons a Hebraic script.
Some Whites don't consider Jews White? Why?
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