which balkanite country has the biggest amount of mongoloid admixture ?

[Adam Janossy]

wHat do you think ?

[Pribislav]

Bulgaria and Romania.

If Romania is not Balkan than just Bulgaria.

[Adam Janossy]

Bulgaria and Romania.

If Romania is not Balkan than just Bulgaria.

and Serbia ?

[ixulescu]

Szekely land, then Hungary. though Hungary is not fully balkanite

[Lehel]

Romania>Moldavia>Bulgaria , in that order.

[Adam Janossy]

Szekely land, then Hungary. though Hungary is not fully balkanite

Trolling.

[ixulescu]

Trolling.

we had a thread about it recently and people agreed.

besides, Alfold also fits.

[Papastratosels26]

Bulgaria and North Macedonia.

[Adam Janossy]

we had a thread about it recently and people agreed.

besides, Alfold also fits.

Yes, the romanian origin alföldi can be mongoloid.

[ixulescu]

Yes, the romanian origin alföldi can be mongoloid.

weren't u saying there aren't any Romanians in alfold?

[Pribislav]

and Serbia ?

Autosomally Serbs on average have less than 1% mongoloid admixture.

This is K13 Eurogenes of one Serb. He has only 0.45% mongoloid admixture.

https://i.postimg.cc/9XTsH3f7/Screenshot-2018-6-11-https-www-gedmatch-com-1.png

[Voskos]

Bulgarians ,Romanians, and if you count caucasus as mongoloid, island greeks as well.

[Dorian]

If we count Hungary as an extension of Balkans then there you go...

[Hulu]

Albania

[Nurzat]

Romania > Moldova > Hungary > Bulgaria > Serbia

it's too low or absent in the other countries

[ixulescu]

If we count Hungary as an extension of Balkans then there you go...

I don't see why not

[21993]

Romania

[itilvolga]

Romania, Moldova and Bulgaria.

[Impaler]

Romania-Moldova-Bulgaria. I have up to 4-5% Mongoloid on some calculators.

[Aspirin]

Romania, Moldova and Bulgaria.

Moldova is not a Balkan country.

[Nurzat]

Romania-Moldova-Bulgaria. I have up to 4-5% Mongoloid on different calculators.

on some runs I get even more, combined, and it doesn't show on my appearance - so I wonder how much Turkic DNA do those who do have Turkic vibes in their looks have. Gigi Becali should sponsor such a project to test those people xD



Moldova is not a Balkan country.

after the end of USSR it is generally considered along with Romania in most aspects (not that I agree, but that's what they do)

[Gangrel]

Romania

[Kivan]

Romania. It's not a coincidence that the country have an incidence of people with Asian traits/features above the average for the region.

[Aspirin]

after the end of USSR it is generally considered along with Romania in most aspects (not that I agree, but that's what they do)

Absolutely not. If Moldova is Balkan, then Ukraine too.

[ixulescu]

Absolutely not. If Moldova is Balkan, then Ukraine too.

in ukraine at least bugeac and bucovina are

[Aspirin]

in ukraine at least bugeac and bucovina are

Well, people in Moldova, Bugeac and Bucovina don't listen to manele, so these regions definitely are not Balkan.

[ixulescu]

Well, people in Moldova, Bugeac and Bucovina don't listen to manele, so these regions definitely are not Balkan.

that's just one aspect of balkan culture.

[Nurzat]

Well, people in Moldova, Bugeac and Bucovina don't listen to manele, so these regions definitely are not Balkan.

I'm not saying you're not right, I'm saying that Moldova in most regards is taken together with Romania as part of the Balkans after the fall of the CCCP. of course it feels Soviet, but people just don't know and place it with Romania in the Balkans. it may be frustrating, but that's what happens even at official level (politics, treaties etc).

google search balkans countries map and everybody seems to place Moldova in the Balkans:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRvpqtebkgfJ_4q3hrOOt54M3siGedlo fBcbhnHiWj6wPy1fM4W

https://wikitravel.org/upload/shared//thumb/7/7f/Balkans_regions_map.png/350px-Balkans_regions_map.png

https://pasarelapr.com/images/balkan-countries-map/balkan-countries-map-1.gif

[Aspirin]

google search balkans countries map and everybody seems to place Moldova in the Balkans:


From Wikipedia. :)


Moldova, officially the Republic of Moldova (Romanian: Republica Moldova), is a landlocked country in Eastern Europe, bordered by Romania to the west and Ukraine to the north, east, and south. The capital city is Chișinău.

[Tommie]

Moldova is not a Balkan country.
Well, neither is Romania, but ever since it's been politically affiliated with Balkan countries, it started being considered as one.

[Dušan]

Why you don't want to be Balkanite, Moldovano? :D

[Tommie]

Why you don't want to be Balkanite, Moldovano? :D
Balkan is a geographic term.

[Adam Janossy]

I don't see why not

It is interesting how desperate you are to connect with us.

[Adam Janossy]

Absolutely not. If Moldova is Balkan, then Ukraine too.

Moldova is typical eastern european country.

[Adam Janossy]

Well, neither is Romania, but ever since it's been politically affiliated with Balkan countries, it started being considered as one.

Romania is very balkanite, from culture history to the genetics and look of the people.

[Adam Janossy]

Balkan is a geographic term.

Balkan mainly represent Byzantine-Ottoman cultural sphere. Thus a geopolitical term.

[ixulescu]

It is interesting how desperate you are to connect with us.

I'm just realistic. Hungary is part of the Romanian history.

[Adam Janossy]

I'm just realistic. Hungary is part of the Romanian history.

Transylvania is very balkanized today. Feiichy told me it remind her of Bosnia with Gothic architecture...

[Ford]

Romania and Bulgaria. There's probably also "hotspots" of East Asian and Siberian DNA among other south Slavs. I for example have more Siberian than average.

[Adam Janossy]

Romania and Bulgaria. There's probably also "hotspots" of East Asian and Siberian DNA among other south Slavs. I for example have more Siberian than average.

Interestingly Feiichy has small east asian admixture, but I have only little siberian. east asian is the real mongoloid. I don't think any Hungarian has it...

[Nurzat]

Balkan mainly represent Byzantine-Ottoman cultural sphere. Thus a geopolitical term.

Eastern Moldova (Bessarabia) was part of the Ottoman empire as well, until 1812.

peoples of Budjak see themselves as Balkanites, the football team of the region is called Балкани Зоря (Balkany Zorya) and their nickname is Балканці (The Balkanites)

[ixulescu]

Transylvania is very balkanized today. Feiichy told me it remind her of Bosnia with Gothic architecture...

isn't that awesome? :D

see how nice the Orthodox church blends into the Transylvnian landscape:
https://live.staticflickr.com/56/171387798_bcd856adbf_b.jpg

[Adam Janossy]

Eastern Moldova (Bessarabia) was part of the Ottoman empire as well, until 1812.

Ukrainians in Budjak see themselves as Balkanites, the football team of the region is called Балкани Зоря (Balkany Zorya) and their nickname is Балканці (The Balkanites)

Perhabs, but the Moldovans are not so Balkanic like Romanians (inc. genetics!) They have historic ethnic ties with eastern europe which are strong.

[Adam Janossy]

isn't that an awesome? :D

see how nice the Orthodox church blends into the Transylvnian landscape:
https://live.staticflickr.com/56/171387798_bcd856adbf_b.jpg

I don't like the neo-Byzantine style. Western architectural styles are much superior, and tourists (including wallachians) are coming to see Saxon Hungarian architecture, not the Romanian one. Deal with it.

[Ford]

Interestingly Feiichy has small east asian admixture, but I have only little siberian. east asian is the real mongoloid. I don't think any Hungarian has it...

I think East Asian is more common in Bulgaria and Romania while western Balkans (except for Albania), Slovenia and Hungary has Siberian. I score zero East Asian everywhere but Siberian is pretty high. Probably some Avar or old Magyar remnant. Check out my autosomal thread if you're interested.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?276066-Ford-s-(Bosnian-Serb)-autosomal-results

[Aspirin]

Why you don't want to be Balkanite, Moldovano? :D

Because geographically Moldova isn't a Balkan country. Part of culture is of Balkan origin of course, but here can be seen an plenty on Eastern European influence too. Plus a big part of population here really looks Eastern European.

This photo is from my town, and is very well visible the Eastern European influence.
http://ru1.md/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Web-113.jpg

[ixulescu]

I don't like the neo-Byzantine style.

that's because you're a retarded monkey.

learn to appreciate the beautiful things your ancestors have helped build
https://previews.123rf.com/images/tverkhovinets/tverkhovinets1806/tverkhovinets180600027/104394503-holy-trinity-cathedral-orthodox-church-in-sibiu-romania-.jpg

https://static2.bigstockphoto.com/1/6/1/large1500/161294924.jpg

[Aspirin]

peoples of Budjak see themselves as Balkanites, the football team of the region is called Балкани Зоря (Balkany Zorya) and their nickname is Балканці (The Balkanites)

Because in that region lives plenty of Bulgarians and Gagauz people.

[Luke35]

Combined Siberian/Amerindian result for my mother and I on Eurogenes K13:

My mom: 0.22%
Me: 1.81%
Dad: 3.40% (theoretical)

What I did here was make me the exact mid-point between my parents, so this would be my father's (Hungarian) expected result: 3.4% Mongoloid (Siberian + Amerindian).

[Aspirin]

I don't like the neo-Byzantine style. Western architectural styles are much superior, and tourists (including wallachians) are coming to see Saxon Hungarian architecture, not the Romanian one. Deal with it.

Not everithing outside Transylvania is only Byzantine. The Medieval Moldavian Architecture had a very big Western influence, especially Gothic influence, who came mostly from Transylvania.

This is the biggest church who was built in the time of Stephen the Great (late XVth century). Is very well visible the Western influence in her architecture and size.
https://pp.userapi.com/c849136/v849136962/1fe5b/EUnuifsx5Xw.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c844520/v844520962/9bd01/9m6uAbCkUGg.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c849136/v849136962/1fe51/GPpCppBtJD0.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c844520/v844520962/9bd0a/3CpfF6Heyyo.jpg

[Pribislav]

Not everithing outside Transylvania is only Byzantine. The Medieval Moldavian Architecture had a very big Western influence, especially Gothic influence, who came mostly from Transylvania.

This is the biggest church who was built in the time of Stephen the Great (late XVth century). Is very well visible the Western influence in the her architecture and size.
https://pp.userapi.com/c849136/v849136962/1fe5b/EUnuifsx5Xw.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c844520/v844520962/9bd01/9m6uAbCkUGg.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c849136/v849136962/1fe51/GPpCppBtJD0.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c844520/v844520962/9bd0a/3CpfF6Heyyo.jpg

There is western influence on some Serbian Orthodox medieval monastires, and some churches since 16th century are partly or even full in western style.

Visoki Dečani (Metohija) founded 1335 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visoki_Dečani
http://www.novosti.rs/upload/images/2017//04/23n/04Decani105.jpg


Studenica (Central Serbia) founded 1196 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studenica_Monastery
https://dpps.org.rs/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/StudenicaB0-1000x470.jpg


Krka (Dalmatia) founded 1345 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krka_monastery

http://manastiriusrbiji.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/krka-arhitektura.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

Romania and Serbia IMO.

[Aspirin]

There is western influence on some Serbian Orthodox medieval monastires and some chutches in since 16th century are partly or even full in western style.

Visoki Dečani (Metohija) founded 1335 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visoki_Dečani
http://www.novosti.rs/upload/images/2017//04/23n/04Decani105.jpg


Studenica (Central Serbia) founded 1196 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studenica_Monastery
https://studenica.info.rs/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/13413578_1017170905036682_114378699911028736_n-768x587.jpg


Krka (Dalmatia) founded 1345 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krka_monastery
http://manastiriusrbiji.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/krka-arhitektura.jpg

I know, I am familiar with Medieval Serbian Architecture.

[ixulescu]

^ Romanesque style, that many people associate with Catholicism, was quite popular in the Byzantine empire.

In fact, before the 8th century, only the Byzantine empire and some parts of Italy had Romanesque style buildings.

[Pribislav]

I know, I am familiar with Medieval Serbian Architecture.

How looks Orthodox church in my native village in Dalmatia to you (founded 1618) on signature? Does it look semi-Asian?

[Joso]

Albania, the high rate of brachycephaly and neanderthal admixture there may be because of mongoloid admixture

[Aspirin]

How looks Orthodox church in my native village in Dalmatia to you (founded 1618) on signature? Does it look semi-Asian?

Strong Dalmatian influence.

[Aspirin]

^ Romanesque style, that many people associate with Catholicism, was quite popular in the Byzantine empire.

In fact, before the 8th century, only the Byzantine empire and some parts of Italy had Romanesque style buildings.

Romanesque style have very little to do with Byzantine style, it was influenced by Byzantine architecture, but is not the same.

[Pribislav]

Strong Dalmatian influence.

Serbian Orthodox church of Saint Spiridon in Skradin (Dalmatia) is one of the most westrern shifted Serbian Orthodox churches in architecture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skradin
http://www.spc.rs/files/galerije/12/03/00490312.jpg


Architecture of Moldavia reminds me on northern Romanian one.

[Blondie]

According to this map Romania and Bulgaria:

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

[Batman]

Bulgaria.

[Aspirin]

Serbian Orthodox church of Saint Spiridon in Skradin (Dalmatia) is one of the most westrern shifted Serbian Orthodox churches in architecture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skradin
http://www.spc.rs/files/galerije/12/03/00490312.jpg


Architecture of Moldavia reminds me on northern Romanian one.

The most western looking moldavian church is the church of Monastery Bogdana, who is the oldest moldavian stone building survived till today. The church was build in the second half of 14th century, as a mix of Romanesque, Gothic, and Byzantine.
http://www.blogprinvizor.ro/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/img_1095.jpg
https://doxologia.ro/sites/default/files/styles/media-articol-colorbox/public/articol/2017/06/03-manastirea_bogdana_foto_bogdan_zamfirescu.jpg

[ixulescu]

Romanesque style have very little to do with Byzantine style, it was influenced by Byzantine architecture, but is not the same.

Constantinople was filled with Romanesque buildings. Not all Romanesque buildings look the same. Those in Constantinople retained domes, whereas in the West domes were generally dropped because they were hard to build. It was the neoclassical architecture that reclaimed the dome in the West.

Nonetheless there are quite a few Byzantine Romanesque style building in the West, here's some:

http://www.spainthenandnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/almazan-san-miguel-church.jpg

https://www.easyhiker.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/42495123001_7f96bd30bf_k-copy.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/F06.Nevers_St.-Etienne.1066.JPG/1920px-F06.Nevers_St.-Etienne.1066.JPG

and one from Constantinople:

https://www.realmofhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/constantinople-reconstructed-4th-13th-century_33.jpg

[Pribislav]

The most western looking moldavian church is the church of Monastery Bogdana, who is the oldest moldavian stone building survived till today. The church was build in the second half of 14th century, as a mix of Romanesque, Gothic, and Byzantine.
http://www.blogprinvizor.ro/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/img_1095.jpg
https://doxologia.ro/sites/default/files/styles/media-articol-colorbox/public/articol/2017/06/03-manastirea_bogdana_foto_bogdan_zamfirescu.jpg

Is there churches and monasteries of wood in Moldavia like in Maramureş?

[Aspirin]

Is there churches and monasteries of wood in Moldavia like in Maramureş?

Yes, but they don't look like these from Maramureş, and are very diverse.
http://www.ziarpiatraneamt.ro/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/coperta.jpg
http://www.blogprinvizor.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/biserica_bicazul_ardelean-29.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Biserica_de_lemn_din_Piatra_Neamt201.jpg
http://www.blogprinvizor.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/biserica_farcasa_05_resize.jpg
http://www.blogprinvizor.ro/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/biserica_braiesti_2.jpg
https://img.inbucovina.ro/turism/obiective-culturale/muzee/869/biserica-muzeu-ion-creanga-din-brosteni_01b_11500822.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Biserica_de_lemn_din_Colacu.jpg
http://ortodoxia.rol.ro/images/video/biserica-dragos-21.jpg
http://www.blogprinvizor.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/biserica_fedeleseni-1.jpg
http://www.blogprinvizor.ro/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/BISERICA_VORNICENI_BOTOSANI-9.jpg
https://doxologia.ro/sites/default/files/styles/media-articol-colorbox/public/articol/2012/03/bisericuta.jpg?itok=8W1SGV6_

[FountainOfSalmacis]

What amount of mongoloid admixture would Hungary have? ( not trolling)

[xtal]

Romania but they don’t consider themselves to be part of Balkan so imma go with Bulgaria

[andre]

Moldova-Romanian Moldova (Some people in Vaslui and Bacau counties are so “tatar” looking)

[Sora]

Romania(2%-4%) and Bulgaria(0%-5%), I guess...

[Odin]

Romania.

[Kaspias]

Bulgaria.

[Jana]

Romania.

[Pribislav]

Balkan Turks, and Gagauzes if they are considered for Balkanites.

[Seya]

Autosomally Serbs on average have less than 1% mongoloid admixture.

This is K13 Eurogenes of one Serb. He has only 0.45% mongoloid admixture.

https://i.postimg.cc/9XTsH3f7/Screenshot-2018-6-11-https-www-gedmatch-com-1.png

Wow is really this low? Is this average? How much do u have? My east asian + siberian+ Amerindian = 5%

[Pansarkamrat]

Hungary if it is counted as Balkan country other then that Bulgaria.

[Kaspias]

Bulgaria have the most even if you count both Hungary and Romania as Balkan country. Also Greece and North Macedonia.

Balkan Turks.

[Jana]

Bulgaria have the most even if you count both Hungary and Romania as Balkan country. Also Greece and North Macedonia.

Balkan Turks.

Dobrogea Tatars have high mongoloid too.

[Seya]

Dobrogea Tatars have high mongoloid too.

they look central asian...some look fully kazakh

[Crimson Winds]

Dobruja>Thrace>Moldovia>Alföld and other Romania

[Kaspias]

Dobrogea Tatars have high mongoloid too.

70% of Dobruja Tatars lives in Bulgaria.

[Jana]

70% of Dobruja Tatars lives in Bulgaria.

Who has more mongoloid on average between ethnic Romanians and ethnic Bulgarians ?
Seya has high and she doesn't belong to any minority. Than there are some Romanians who don't have too much. Average could be between 1,5 - 3% mongoloid for Romanians, I guess.

[Kaspias]

Who has more mongoloid on average between ethnic Romanians and ethnic Bulgarians ?
Seya has high and she doesn't belong to any minority. Than there are some Romanians who don't have too much. Average could be between 1,5 - 3% mongoloid for Romanians, I guess.

Romanians ofc. Bulgarians are usually around 1%. The maximum score i have ever seen was 3%.

[War Chef]

Balkan Turks, and Gagauzes if they are considered for Balkanites.

Gagauzes have next to no Mongoloid.
0.5% on average.

[Jana]

Wow is really this low? Is this average? How much do u have? My east asian + siberian+ Amerindian = 5%

South West Slavs are around 1% mong on average I think. Some are close to zero, and at highest it would be around 2,5-3 percent, but very rare.

[Jana]

My father mongoloid score: 3.05 % - Eurogenes K13

6 East_Asian 1.48
7 Amerindian 0.98
8 Siberian 0.59

It is above average for ethnic Croatians. and east asian is extremely rare among us.

[War Chef]

https://i.imgur.com/dHLW1t2.gif

[Crimson Winds]

My father mongoloid score: 3.05 % - Eurogenes K13

6 East_Asian 1.48
7 Amerindian 0.98
8 Siberian 0.59

It is above average for ethnic Croatians. and east asian is extremely rare among us.

Avar maybe?

[Jana]

Avar maybe?

I think so, yes. It is probably coming from his maternal side which is from Hvar Island in Dalmatia, where east eurasian mtdna and ydna haplogroups are above average.

[Crimson Winds]

I think so, yes. It is probably coming from his maternal side which is from Hvar Island in Dalmatia, where east eurasian mtdna and ydna haplogroups are above average.

Yeah. There is Q hotspot in there as I know.

[Jana]

Yeah. There is Q hotspot in there as I know.
Yes.

some exotic mtdna too: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11571562

Mitochondrial DNA polymorphism was analysed in a sample of 108 Croatians from the Adriatic Island isolate of Hvar. Besides typically European varieties of human maternal lineages, haplogroup F was found in a considerable frequency (8.3%). This haplogroup is most frequent in southeast Asia but has not been reported before in Europe.

[War Chef]

I think so, yes. It is probably coming from his maternal side which is from Hvar Island in Dalmatia, where east eurasian mtdna and ydna haplogroups are above average.

I believe the Turkic people were elites and got dibs on the best land. Maybe that's why they (Avars) took the island and named it?
Does the etymology Hrvatia also have something to do with Avars or am I seeing things here?




https://i.imgur.com/l2877U5.png

From this we can conclude the Seljuks seized the best (beaches) land for themselves. Elites always grab the best.

[Thracian]

My father mongoloid score: 3.05 % - Eurogenes K13

6 East_Asian 1.48
7 Amerindian 0.98
8 Siberian 0.59

It is above average for ethnic Croatians. and east asian is extremely rare among us.

What is the difference between East Asian and Siberian? He almost have same Mongoloid with me (I am a Balkan Turk btw). Mine is,

East_Asian -
Siberian 3.02 Pct
Amerindian 0.39 Pct

[Dick]

I believe the Turkic people were elites and got dibs on the best land. Maybe that's why they (Avars) took the island and named it?
Does the etymology Hrvatia also have something to do with Avars or am I seeing things here?

Slavs called Avars ‘Obri’. There are also some placenames today such as Obrovac etc I don’t know what they called themselves

[Jana]

I believe the Turkic people were elites and got dibs on the best land. Maybe that's why they (Avars) took the island and named it?
Does the etymology Hrvatia also have something to do with Avars or am I seeing things here?

Possibly. Hvar is one of few Islands in Adriatic Sea that has fertile central field. High quality land. Maybe that is why Greeks estabilshed colonies there.

The island of Hvar is unusual in the area for having a large fertile coastal plain, and fresh water springs. Its hillsides are covered in pine forests, with vineyards, olive groves, fruit orchards and lavender fields in the agricultural areas. The climate is characterized by mild winters, and warm summers with many hours of sunshine,

There is Turkic origin theory about Croats, but I don't think it is most realistic one.

[Token]

There is no East Asian admixture in the Balkans, anyone saying otherwise is either trolling or is just plainly ignorant.

[Jana]

There is no East Asian admixture in the Balkans, anyone saying otherwise is either trolling or is just plainly ignorant.

My father does scores it in Eurogenes runs, and i'm pretty sure Tatars and Turks in Balkans score it regulary.

[War Chef]

There is no East Asian admixture in the Balkans, anyone saying otherwise is either trolling or is just plainly ignorant.

There is traces. See the map I posted in page 9.

After all there was Huns, Cumans, Avars, Pechenegs, Magyars, & Bulgars.

What happened to them?

Did they just disappear?

Some of them emigrated to Turkey, others merged into Balkan Turk communities, because the Slavs wouldn't mix with them, they had bad reputation and alien looks. But their traces still survive in the Balkans and Ukraine.

[Dick]

There is no East Asian admixture in the Balkans, anyone saying otherwise is either trolling or is just plainly ignorant.

Probably ancient like other components in gedmatch but then again I don’t really buy it all those supposed ancient components should’ve been diluted after a few generations unless you’re mixed

[Token]

My father does scores it in Eurogenes runs, and i'm pretty sure Tatars and Turks in Balkans score it regulary.

Since when Tatars and Turks are Balkanites?
What you did with the K13 of your father is just amounting noise scores, anything below 2% should be just ignored because that's well within the margin of error of these bioinformatic tools.


There is traces. See the map I posted in page 9.

After all there was Huns, Cumans, Avars, Pechenegs, Magyars, & Bulgars.
What happened to them?
Did they just disappear?
Some of them emigrated to Turkey, others merged into Balkan Turk communities, because the Slavs wouldn't mix with them, they had bad reputation and alien looks. But their traces still survive in the Balkans and Ukraine.
I don't know what happened to them, i'm just saying there is no East Asian admixture in the Balkans. Your map from Eupedia based on a defective calculator isn't going to prove anything, open any serious paper and look at their runs, i assure you none of them will report East Eurasian in any kind of Balkanite.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/WestEurasia_admixture_crop.png/400px-WestEurasia_admixture_crop.png

[Jana]

Since when Tatars and Turks are Balkanites?
What you did with the K13 of your father is just amounting noise scores, anything below 2% should be just ignored because that's well within the margin of error of these bioinformatic tools.

That makes sense. But those Turks/Tatars living in Balkans probably did impact native population to some degree. Kaspias is mix like that, for example.

[Kaspias]

There is no East Asian admixture in the Balkans, anyone saying otherwise is either trolling or is just plainly ignorant.

HAHAHAHAHAHHA

[War Chef]

i assure you none of them will report East Eurasian in any kind of Balkanite.


It's negligible, but it's undoubtedly there.

[Dick]

Since when Tatars and Turks are Balkanites?
What you did with the K13 of your father is just amounting noise scores, anything below 2% should be just ignored because that's well within the margin of error of these bioinformatic tools.


I don't know what happened to them, i'm just saying there is no East Asian admixture in the Balkans. Your map from Eupedia based on a defective calculator isn't going to prove anything, open any serious paper and look at their runs, i assure you none of them will report East Eurasian in any kind of Balkanite.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/WestEurasia_admixture_crop.png/400px-WestEurasia_admixture_crop.png

Ok noise. Should we not use noise scores for pca then if they’re meaningless?

[Anxiety]

How did mongoloid dna pass to the general Balkan public? From the Huns?

[Leto]

Except for Balkan Turks and some Romanians the Mongoloid is like 1-2% in the Balkans. 5% would be almost unheard of.

[Leto]

My father mongoloid score: 3.05 % - Eurogenes K13

6 East_Asian 1.48
7 Amerindian 0.98
8 Siberian 0.59

It is above average for ethnic Croatians. and east asian is extremely rare among us.
The Amerindian is probably not mongoloid or only partially. I am 2% Amerindian, that's a joke, my recent ancestors didn't even live in Siberia, let alone America. I've seen Eurogenes results of actual East Asians, they get the Amerindian at noise level.

[War Chef]

Archaeological find from the north-Balkans: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_of_Nagyszentmikl%C3%B3s)

https://i.imgur.com/dehmv9c.png

[Jana]

The Amerindian is probably not mongoloid or only partially. I am 2% Amerindian, that's a joke, my recent ancestors didn't even live in Siberia, let alone America. I've seen Eurogenes results of actual East Asians, they get the Amerindian at noise level.

Amerindian may be ANE related ancestry. East Asians have low ANE, maybe that is why they don't score much amerindian.

[Leto]

Amerindian may be ANE related ancestry. East Asians have low ANE, maybe that is why they don't score much amerindian.
Yes.
Dodecad K7b and K12b are more useful for this purpose - they have no Amerindian.

[Token]

Ok noise. Should we not use noise scores for pca then if they’re meaningless?

Tools dealing with data, including PCA, aims to be an optimal representation of the data, but never a perfect one. When you squeeze the set of data too much you produce the so-called 'overfitting', which is not good for genomics. This is why tools like G25 works with penalization. The objective of bioinformatic tools is to turn noisy data into polynomial and somewhat loose functions.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Overfitting.svg/300px-Overfitting.svg.png

[Dick]

Archaeological find from the north-Balkans: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_of_Nagyszentmikl%C3%B3s)

https://i.imgur.com/dehmv9c.png

What an odd story. Two Bulgarian farmers in Austria-Hungary found these artifacts written in Greek script but not in the Greek language. Who knows from where these artifacts originated

[War Chef]

What an odd story. Two Bulgarian farmers in Austria-Hungary found these artifacts written in Greek script but not in the Greek language. Who knows from where these artifacts originated

You think it's a forgery?

[War Chef]

Here the story is different:

On 3rd July 1799, a significant hoard of twenty-three early medieval gold vessels was found in an iron chest by Neru Vuin, a Serb farmer, near the small Hungarian town of Nagy Szent-Miklós in northern Banat, in total weighing 9.945 kg.

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/02/13/the-treasure-of-nagyszentmiklos-one-of-the-most-remarkable-finds-of-the-early-european-middle-ages/

Even better source:


Summary
To sum up: The Nagyszentmiklós treasure is not an ―eastern heritage‘ brought by the
Avars or the Onogurs to the Carpathian Basin, as it was hitherto claimed. The pieces of the Treasure were manufactured in different times and by different masters. These masters came from Byzantium or were in close connection with them. It was made between the middle of the 7th century and the end of the 8thcentury. Most if not all of the pieces come from workshops in the Carpathian Basin. The last period of the accumulation of the Treasure can be connected with an anti Frank and anti Christian fraction of the ruling Avar elite. The Treasure was hidden most probably between 795 and 803, and unearthed roughly thousand years later.

https://www.academia.edu/10108011/The_Treasure_of_Nagyszentmikl%C3%B3s_A_Golden_Cont ribution_to_the_Reconstruction_of_History_Andr%C3% A1s_R%C3%B3na-Tas_Introduction

[Dick]

Here the story is different:

On 3rd July 1799, a significant hoard of twenty-three early medieval gold vessels was found in an iron chest by Neru Vuin, a Serb farmer, near the small Hungarian town of Nagy Szent-Miklós in northern Banat, in total weighing 9.945 kg.

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/02/13/the-treasure-of-nagyszentmiklos-one-of-the-most-remarkable-finds-of-the-early-european-middle-ages/

Even better source:



https://www.academia.edu/10108011/The_Treasure_of_Nagyszentmikl%C3%B3s_A_Golden_Cont ribution_to_the_Reconstruction_of_History_Andr%C3% A1s_R%C3%B3na-Tas_Introduction

Whoever buried it was hiding it from someone and was probably killed after. Who would forget a shit tonne of buried gold

[Dušan]

The Amerindian is probably not mongoloid or only partially. I am 2% Amerindian, that's a joke, my recent ancestors didn't even live in Siberia, let alone America. I've seen Eurogenes results of actual East Asians, they get the Amerindian at noise level.

What about Oceanian in K13?
I got it 0.92%.

[Roy]

they look central asian...some look fully kazakh

Is this type of phenotype anywhere more common in Romania? He's Romanian and well he has some Mongoloid influence to my eye.

http://www.vremeanoua.ro/vremea-photo/uploads/sotie-primar.jpg

[Leto]

What about Oceanian in K13?
I got it 0.92%.
It's noise. There's no Oceanian admixture in Europe.

[Seya]

Is this type of phenotype anywhere more common in Romania? He's Romanian and well he has some Mongoloid influence to my eye.

http://www.vremeanoua.ro/vremea-photo/uploads/sotie-primar.jpg

u can find it anywhere but if i'd had to pick a location i'd say mostly on the eastern side. not sure tho..i'm not very familiar with the western types tbh

[Token]

What about Oceanian in K13?
I got it 0.92%.

I occasionally see Northern Europeans scoring more than 2% Oceanian.