A simple question

[Skandi]

I'm aware that this may offend some people on here, but that's not the intention...

So my question is, do the far right wing extremists harm the general cause for European preservation? I'm referring to the various groups calling themselves KKK, groups that blame the worlds problems exclusively on Jews, the type of person with several thousand posts on Stormfront, etc etc. And the type who goes and attacks immigrants (rare I know)

Do these peoples activities portray the movement in a bad light, and what can be done without compromising ones position?

In my opinion WWII was the worst possible thing for any attempt to "save" Europe

[Loki]

Simple answer: YES.

[Æmeric]

So my question is, do the far right wing extremists harm the general cause for European preservation? I'm referring to the various groups calling themselves KKK, groups that blame the worlds problems exclusively on Jews, the type of person with several thousand posts on Stormfront, etc etc. And the type who goes and attacks immigrants (rare I know)


Groups like the KKK or neo-Nazis come off as a bunch of retarded freaks. So anything that smacks or racialism - on the part of Whites - is stigmatized by association. On-the-other-hand, in polite society similar behavior by Negro hip-hop artists or massive threatening Negro demonstrations - or outright riots - do not carry the same kind of stigmatism. Whites are judge by different standards. Imagine the outcry if Whites - not the Klan or the American Nazi Party, but just a cross section of White American society - had gone out & marched in support of immigration restriction, in the same way Latinos march for immigration & amnesty:


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/51/139312339_44de17b326.jpg

Even without the KKK & neo-Nazi types we would still get ostracized by the establishment.

[Skandi]

Even without the KKK & neo-Nazi types we would still get ostracized by the establishment.

What would you say is the root of that?

[SouthernBoy]

No.

[Skandi]

No.
could you say why?

[Hilding]

I have always wondered why the KKK hate jews, yet worship Jesus who was a jew himself... :coffee:

[SouthernBoy]

could you say why?Do you believe this issue will be resolved peaceably?

[Beorn]

Do the far right wing extremists harm the general cause for European preservation?


Yes, just like any extremists of any side to the political or religious spectrum.

Extremists are the people with which the media or opponents hit the moderates around the head with to keep them in line.

[Æmeric]

What would you say is the root of that?

The establishment (in the US) is controlled by Neocons & Marxists. Btw, a good number of them (the establishment) happen to be Jews ;). The establishment is in favor of open borders, for cheap labor & cheap votes, and of all sorts of civil rights, which requires big government to enforce those rights. The establishment also want globalization & to achieve that goal is welling to enforce liberal democracy on the rest of the world. All of these issues should be debatable, but if that were the case the establishment would lose the debate. So the establishment avoids debate by sigmatizing the opposition to their policies. In otherwords certain ideas are not worthy of debate & the persons who espouse those ideas are beneath contempt. Even if the Klan & Nazi Party disappeared, persons espousing preservationalist policies for various European ethnicities & Euro-Americans would be slandered in other ways.

[Sarmata]

I'm aware that this may offend some people on here, but that's not the intention...

So my question is, do the far right wing extremists harm the general cause for European preservation? I'm referring to the various groups calling themselves KKK, groups that blame the worlds problems exclusively on Jews, the type of person with several thousand posts on Stormfront, etc etc. And the type who goes and attacks immigrants (rare I know)

Do these peoples activities portray the movement in a bad light, and what can be done without compromising ones position?

In my opinion WWII was the worst possible thing for any attempt to "save" Europe

Probably yes but I can undestand frustration of young "patriots" where it doesn't existed any political movement which they can identify, apathy of oficial parties or movements groving only feeling of anger becouse "no one cares", radicals make some actions they often try to do/change something. If someone want to evaluete them he must at first offer something different, better...doing nothing it's so easy, right? Ofcourse I can't tolerate idiots who dreams about gas chambers, genocide etc., and they call it "White" or "European" cause.

[SPQR]

Yes I feel that these kinds of people are a big issue. I completely agree with BWW:

Extremists are the people with which the media or opponents hit the moderates around the head with to keep them in line.

And I have to admit I absolutely loathe the IKA and all other KKK groups. Mixing radical racial ideologies with unbelievable christian propaganda... atleast the Skinheads don't try to justify everything with "God". Hell just look at the Apricity, we've got some cool Skins on here, whereas all the KKK idiots annoy the piss out of everyone.

[Skandi]

Do you believe this issue will be resolved peaceably?

I don't know if it can be, the battle is being lost relatively peaceably so maybe it can also be won in the same manner. What I am sure about is that you cannot win a revolution without the support of the public, and you can't engineer a support base by pulling in the opposite direction, people have to be led not dragged.

[Psychonaut]

I feel that they, for the most part, do. The groups that are particularly damning to the cause of European preservation are those that espouse and/or practice the same type of degeneracy and violence as do those we wish to remain separate from. If an organization is running around beating people up, shooting people, robbing people, etc. does it really matter if they're White, Black or Mexican? No. Either way they're an organization that bring shame upon their race and should be locked up by the police. I think that there is always a place for violence in Western man's life, but I don't think that lowering ourselves to the levels of Negro street gangs is an answer to any problem. Not that I agree with everything he did or stood for, but a military leader like uncle Adolf has naught in common with the thugs from the Order.

[Ulf]

I don't know if it can be, the battle is being lost relatively peaceably so maybe it can also be won in the same manner. What I am sure about is that you cannot win a revolution without the support of the public, and you can't engineer a support base by pulling in the opposite direction, people have to be led not dragged.

“It doesn't take a majority to make a rebellion; it takes only a few determined leaders and a sound cause.” HL Mencken

[Lenny]

Even if the Klan & Nazi Party disappeared, persons espousing preservationalist policies for various European ethnicities & Euro-Americans would be slandered in other ways.If anything, "pro-white" persons would be more easily ignored. The polite and philosemitic racialists in the USA, like Jared Taylor, have made almost no headway either.That said, idiotic thuggery is even worse than ineffectual philosemitic racialism.


I have always wondered why the KKK hate jews, yet worship Jesus who was a jew himself... :coffee:Jesus is whatever people make of him. For a long while Jesus was European, because Christianity was a European religion.


The non-Jewish Jesus

A recurring theme in Chamberlain's work is that Jesus was not a Jew. He has no hard proof, he admits, but he does offer some plausible circumstantial evidence. To wit: [...]

According to Chamberlain, Christianity developed into a murderous totalitarian system because of two factors — 1.) The Catholic Church's emergence from racial chaos after the fall of the Roman empire; and 2.) The laws of the Old Testament, which can be attributed to Jewish influence. Only after centuries of Roman Catholic Terror did the Germanic forces, embodied by Francis of Assisi, Martin Luther and others, turn Christianity into the religion that Jesus had envisioned.

In Chamberlain's day, Emperor Wilhelm II was convinced by these theories and even argued that the Old Testament should be removed from the Bible (with the exception of a few psalms) to sever any remaining links between Christianity and Judaism.

http://www.hschamberlain.net/biography_en.html
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In my opinion WWII was the worst possible thing for any attempt to "save" EuropeWhat do you mean by this?

[stormlord]

Not that I agree with everything he did or stood for, but a military leader like uncle Adolf has naught in common with the thugs from the Order.

Point taken, but to be honest in point of fact Hitler's initial powerbase, the SA quite specifically were street thugs, street thugs with nice uniforms, but street thugs nonetheless.

[Psychonaut]

Point taken, but to be honest in point of fact Hitler's initial powerbase, the SA quite specifically were street thugs, street thugs with nice uniforms, but street thugs nonetheless.

Granted, he's not the ideal example of the type of change I'd like to see affected either. However, from the very beginning the brownshirts were light years beyond the Order or the older, more violent, incarnations of the KKK.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Political violence as a primary objective is retarded and anyone who espouses that should be ostracised.

Non-violence is very powerful. Non-violence pays and gains popular support.

I am just waiting for the time when we become able to use techniques such as:

http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations/org/FDTD.pdf

Well check the appendix of this e-book, there are listed 198 methods of non-violence and non-cooperation.

Smart choice.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Point taken, but to be honest in point of fact Hitler's initial powerbase, the SA quite specifically were street thugs, street thugs with nice uniforms, but street thugs nonetheless.

Nice uniforms because they were on bargain-basement sale, as Germany no longer had an African empire (the tan brownshirts were surplus uniforms from Germany's WWI Africa force)


Granted, he's not the ideal example of the type of change I'd like to see affected either. However, from the very beginning the brownshirts were light years beyond the Order or the older, more violent, incarnations of the KKK.

The post-civil war and 1920s Klan were similar to the SA, even the 50s/60s era Klan was similar to the IRA and other insurrectionist groups which enjoyed popular support of their area. The Order likewise was trying to build this sort of movement, but the federal government was too powerful and shut them down.

As to the modern day NS/KKK, they are mainly costumed reenactors seeking to draw attention to themselves. I'd never consider joining one and take pains to avoid them. However, if they didn't exist, the government and professional 'anti-racist' groups would have to invent them (they already do, to some degree). Also they distract both some of the more retarded Antifa and law enforcement, as well as drawing out the more retarded WNs into joining their ranks.

The best policy towards them is to ignore them as much as possible.

[Hilding]

Jesus is whatever people make of him. For a long while Jesus was European, because Christianity was a European religion.

Are you saying that Maria and Josef were europeans? They just happened to live in that area? Or perhaps her "virgin birth" was with some european man that just happened to look like an angel?

Imho an apple is still an apple whatever you choose to call it. In a couple of decades people here in Scandinavia will probably use your view upon islam since there are so many of "them" here. I cant really relate to hating jews, yet worship one.

[Æmeric]

Are you saying that Maria and Josef were europeans? They just happened to live in that area? Or perhaps her "virgin birth" was with some european man that just happened to look like an angel?

Imho an apple is still an apple whatever you choose to call it. In a couple of decades people here in Scandinavia will probably use your view upon islam since there are so many of "them" here. I cant really relate to hating jews, yet worship one.
There are 100s of millions of persons who are European by race living in the Western Hemisphere, who's ancestors have lived here for 300-400 years. Are they still European (by race0? Or have they become redskinned Indians? There are somewhere between 4-5 million Whites in south Africa, some of them from families that have been there for over 300-years. Have they become Negroes because of longterm residency in Africa?

Don't assume that the people who currently live in the Middle East look like the people who lived there 2000 years ago. Or that the people who speak semitic tongues have always had the same appearance. Just because the current inhabitants of Haiti are Negroid & Francophone that does not mean that the inhabitants of that Island 2000 years ago were Negroid or that French is a Negroid tongue.

There are hints in the bible that at least some ancient Hebrews were more Europid in appearance then Middle Eastern, terms like "fair" or "ruddy". Who knows how much admixture has taken place in the last 2000 years.

[Skandi]

What do you mean by this?

What I mean is that the propaganda used to win the war, i.e that NS, nationalism, race laws etc are evil is still used against any attempts to stop the multicultural movement.
It is still impossible to say that you are right wing in this country without people automatically thinking Nazi. I get so annoyed with people who automatically assume that I hate Jews, just because I have nationalistic beliefs. They can understand that you can be a member of the Labour party and not believe all their crap, but if you are a nationalist you must automatically worship Hitler.

[ItalianFury]

I feel that they, for the most part, do. The groups that are particularly damning to the cause of European preservation are those that espouse and/or practice the same type of degeneracy and violence as do those we wish to remain separate from. If an organization is running around beating people up, shooting people, robbing people, etc. does it really matter if they're White, Black or Mexican? No. Either way they're an organization that bring shame upon their race and should be locked up by the police. I think that there is always a place for violence in Western man's life, but I don't think that lowering ourselves to the levels of Negro street gangs is an answer to any problem.
Not that I agree with everything he did or stood for, but a military leader like uncle Adolf has naught in common with the thugs from the Order.

I have to disagree with you, the Order or Bruder Schweigen brought the issue to a forefront and left a legacy. They were not thugs, they did not heist armored cars for their own luxury. But for the noblest of all purposes which was the preservation of white people.

It really was true charity, unlike the uncharitable organizations such as the United Way or the Judeo-Christian Church who advocates the destruction of nations under the guise of 'helping the poor'.

The Klan is history, so is National Socialist Germany, take what's good from them and discard what is bad, follow true separatist groups as a model such as the Amish or Mennonites communities.

It all comes down to seizing women and land, having children, creating a culture and defending it. It's that simple, co-operation is the most difficult part for those of us stuck in the system looking to leave.

So, no, none of the right wing groups hurt our reputation in the greater scheme of things, we should just learn from their mistakes and move forward.

[Psychonaut]

the Order or Bruder Schweigen...were not thugs, they did not heist armored cars for their own luxury. But for the noblest of all purposes which was the preservation of white people.

What, pray tell, does the cold blooded murder of a radio host have to do with the preservation of white people? :rolleyes2:

[Lenny]

What I mean is that the propaganda used to win the war, i.e that NS, nationalism, race laws etc are evil is still used against any attempts to stop the multicultural movement.
It is still impossible to say that you are right wing in this country without people automatically thinking Nazi. I get so annoyed with people who automatically assume that I hate Jews, just because I have nationalistic beliefs. They can understand that you can be a member of the Labour party and not believe all their crap, but if you are a nationalist you must automatically worship Hitler.You're absolutely right, Thrymheim! 1945 still defines the modern world,,, unfortunately.

The "Second Thirty Years War" (1914-1944) was a total disaster for European Mankind, from which it now appears we will not recover. [Though one can never predict the twists and turns of history.] I wouldn't say we in the Western-Allied countries after 1939 were "bad", but we were definitely naive. We invested so much in anti-nationalism that it "went to seed", and the generation born after 1945 was anti-nationalist from the cradle already, practically. "Anti-fascism" has been a huge negative-legitimacy for both Capitalist-liberal-democracy and Soviet Socialism.

Few realized at the time how disastrous, longterm, the implications of what had just happened would be.

The ultimate snapshot defining the era were the latewar Allied conferences, in which this country-bumpkin Truman allowed Stalin to gobble up half of Europe. Truman must've seemed exactly like "Mr. Rogers" to Stalin (a very softspoken man who used to have a children's show), a naive easily-pushed-around figure who didn't really know what he was doing.





Jesus is whatever people make of him. For a long while Jesus was European, because Christianity was a European religion.
Are you saying that Maria and Josef were europeans? They just happened to live in that area? Or perhaps her "virgin birth" was with some european man that just happened to look like an angel?Well of course I mean that we interpreted Jesus as a raciallyEuropean, exactly like Woden etc. were interpreted as (germanic-)Europeans.

If one believes Christianity, Jesus was the son of neither Joseph nor Mary, but was God incarnate, so logically he could be any "race" he so chose. The Hindus believe that God incarnated many times, and in his supposed incarnations in Hindustan he always looks like an upper-caste South-Asian.

[Addergebroed]

So my question is, do the far right wing extremists harm the general cause for European preservation?

My question: what do YOU call far right? What do YOU call extremism? Where do you draw that line?

I think that's totally based on a personal opinion.

Well, I feel this is not the right time for me to discuss this, I'll get back to this issue later!;)

[Jägerstaffel]

If one believes Christianity, Jesus was the son of neither Joseph nor Mary, but was God incarnate, so logically he could be any "race" he so chose. The Hindus believe that God incarnated many times, and in his supposed incarnations in Hindustan he always looks like an upper-caste South-Asian.

Not in all incarnations of Christianity. He wasn't God incarnate in them all.

There were huge divides over that issue, and still are.

[Lenny]

Not in all incarnations of Christianity. He wasn't God incarnate in them all.

There were huge divides over that issue, and still are.True enough, though the major wing of Christianity in the first Milennium that was loudest in its denial of that issue, the Arians, are long gone (the remnants outside Europe were easily absorbed into Islam, who also are hardline "deniers" of Jesus' divinity). [Incidentally, it's quite possible that all of Europe would have fallen to Islam if the Arians had won out, as per the above reason. Arianism was basically a pre-Mohammed Christian-Islam synthesis, if that makes sense].

The only lingering disputes are about the finer points of the Trinity. As far as I know, no major Christian group takes the Arian position today.

[Skandi]

My question: what do YOU call far right? What do YOU call extremism? Where do you draw that line?

I think that's totally based on a personal opinion.


Of course it's personal opinion, but almost everything in this world is. the rest of that quote shows where I stand.


I'm aware that this may offend some people on here, but that's not the intention...

So my question is, do the far right wing extremists harm the general cause for European preservation? I'm referring to the various groups calling themselves KKK, groups that blame the worlds problems exclusively on Jews, the type of person with several thousand posts on Stormfront, etc etc. And the type who goes and attacks immigrants (rare I know)

[Hilding]

interpreted... believes... he could... supposed...

Perhaps Mohammed was really a disguised Viking... :coffee: let us suppose and interpret it that way ;) many christians deny that Jesus was a jew. He was related to David which was related to Abraham who is the jew of jews if I remember correct... Well the conclusion is anyway that I find it weird to worship and practice a religion that has more blood relation with jews than with white european people. People may live in denial as they please, they just never will have any respect from me and I wil never take them seriously.

[ItalianFury]

What, pray tell, does the cold blooded murder of a radio host have to do with the preservation of white people? :rolleyes2:

I guess were on a different page so I'll make it as simple as possible, they murdered Alan Berg because Berg committed treason in their eyes, he did not allow the bankrupt farmers and ranchers a voice on his show, and if you follow the lines of a free press then Berg violated that agreement as a citizen, and they tried him in absentia and found him guilty of violating the rights of those people and sentenced him to death, along with David Lanes personal hatred of him.

If we had held the media accountable back then in a civil way bringing charges of treason against the media when they mislead or outright lie to us then Berg probably would be alive maybe he would have done some time in prison and fined. What Berg was doing 25 years ago has gotten much worse today.

I believe the lesson to be learned is to hold the media accountable by bringing charges against them in a court of law, that would be the best way to handle it, and that would take a change of attitude of our peoples collective thought which we know is being poisoned by the very same media.

[Psychonaut]

they murdered Alan Berg because...he did not allow the bankrupt farmers and ranchers a voice on his show

So, they murdered him because he ran a radio show they didn't like. :rolleyes2:


and if you follow the lines of a free press then Berg violated that agreement as a citizen

I'm not sure what you mean here. The main law that we have dealing with the freedom of the press is the first amendment, which is what gave Berg the right to say whatever he wished. If what you say is true about Lane and the Order's reasons, then they had no regard for the Constitution, which is, in my eyes, entirely unacceptable for an American. I suppose that since they were white supremacists, the "white race" was more important than America, so they gave a big middle finger to the Constitution; screw that.

[ItalianFury]

So, they murdered him because he ran a radio show they didn't like. :rolleyes2:



I'm not sure what you mean here. The main law that we have dealing with the freedom of the press is the first amendment, which is what gave Berg the right to say whatever he wished. If what you say is true about Lane and the Order's reasons, then they had no regard for the Constitution, which is, in my eyes, entirely unacceptable for an American. I suppose that since they were white supremacists, the "white race" was more important than America, so they gave a big middle finger to the Constitution; screw that.

Well, first of all, Alan Berg was not exercising the first amendment, he was exploiting it to it's fullest potential, he would bait his audience as a standard ploy and then take a piece of information and push it to a distorted conclusion.

That was not the intent of a free press, and he was doing it to protect the usury racket where Colorado farmers and ranchers were losing the land they owned for generations. It was Bergs job to address that problem and he deliberately failed to do so in exchange for wealth and power.

So, in a healthy society Berg would have had charges brought against him and faced a civil trial, since, there was no-one willing to fulfill their responsibilities in a civil manner it was settled with violence.

The Bruder Schweigen were not 'white supremacists' they were white separatists, as far as the 'Constitution' goes they were actually upholding it.

[Psychonaut]

The Bruder Schweigen were not 'white supremacists' they were white separatists, as far as the 'Constitution' goes they were actually upholding it.

Freedom of speech is exactly that. There are plenty of countries out there where speech is heavily regulated (i.e. Saudi Arabia, Iran, China), thankfully the US isn't one of them. I can hardly comprehend that you actually believe that murder is an appropriate response to the speech of someone you disagree with.

[Atlas]

The "average" dumb nazis gives white racialist a bad name indeed.
I wish we would have more people like David Duke and the elitist from the National Alliance.

[ItalianFury]

Freedom of speech is exactly that. There are plenty of countries out there where speech is heavily regulated (i.e. Saudi Arabia, Iran, China), thankfully the US isn't one of them. I can hardly comprehend that you actually believe that murder is an appropriate response to the speech of someone you disagree with.

I never said someone should be murdered for free speech, it was not free speech and I never advocated his murder, rather, I was trying to make a point to prevent it.

You really seem to believe that using the media to aid and abet a criminal organization is freedom of speech, if, you have forgotten, the banking system in this nation was overthrown in 1913 with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, where private bankers issue currency and determine value based on unaccountable speculation without any Congressional oversight, so, in essence, there is no congress, these same bankers also control all major media and Berg was their man in Colorado.

[Psychonaut]

I never said someone should be murdered for free speech, it was not free speech and I never advocated his murder, rather, I was trying to make a point to prevent it.

Pardon me if I mistook your words. I thought you were offering an apologetic for the actions of the Order.


You really seem to believe that using the media to aid and abet a criminal organization is freedom of speech, if, you have forgotten, the banking system in this nation was overthrown in 1913 with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, where private bankers issue currency and determine value based on unaccountable speculation without any Congressional oversight, so, in essence, there is no congress, these same bankers also control all major media and Berg was their man in Colorado.

Whatever conspiracy theories about omnipotent Jewish bankers you might hold, Berg committed no crimes under US law by hosting a radio show and spewing liberal propaganda. As distasteful as you might find it, it's entirely protected (just as it should be) under the first amendment.

[ItalianFury]

Pardon me if I mistook your words. I thought you were offering an apologetic for the actions of the Order.



Whatever conspiracy theories about omnipotent Jewish bankers you might hold, Berg committed no crimes under US law by hosting a radio show and spewing liberal propaganda. As distasteful as you might find it, it's entirely protected (just as it should be) under the first amendment.

It looks like we are in for a long argument, your fantastical vision of 'ominpotent' jewish*bankers is a stretch from reality, all the obvious signs are present, even to drunks...

Alan Berg willfully engaged in subterfuge to conceal the illegal usury of bankers greed and lust to power which brought honest farmers and ranchers of Colorado into bankruptcy.

It was not free speech, and Mathews and gang recognized it, and layed judgment. I have said before i would have done all that i was able to prevent Berg's premature death.

This is Aaron Russo's work before his death, although he does not name jews by name he certainly indicates it, and it should be further noted that Russo is a Jew himself.


*http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3254488777215293198

[Psychonaut]

Alan Berg willfully engaged in subterfuge to conceal the illegal usury of bankers greed and lust to power which brought honest farmers and ranchers of Colorado into bankruptcy.

You can dress it up however you like, but Berg did nothing aside from talking.


It was not free speech, and Mathews and gang recognized it, and layed judgment.

Incorrect. Speech is free unless otherwise decided by the Supreme Court. There are a few things one can say in the US that do not fall under the umbrella of free speech. However, Berg's show was not one of those rare cases that the court ruled against as being illegal. If Lane and his buddies really thought that they had evidence of wrongdoing, they should've followed the law and taken Berg to court. Instead, they acted like some kind of minority gang and administered "street justice."

[Ulex]

...do the far right wing extremists harm the general cause for European preservation?
Some do, others don't. It is really hard to answer such a generalizing question. It is my believe that we have reached a point, where it is too late to fight by just voting at elections. To change anything through democracy is becoming a mathematical impossibility. In a few years, you wil have to ask the non-whites to vote for their own exit from Europe, if you are to win by the means of democracy. I guess, by "far right wing extremists" you mean those, who doesn't belive in liberation through the ballot box? That makes me a far right wing extremist, if this may be the definition.

I am sorry to say this, but the nice, white collar politicians are the real extremists in this case. To absorb a people of culture and common blood into a multi-ethnic hellhole is extremism beyond reason. If you try to fight it by being a nice guy and wearing a white collar, you are going to lose, because you are up against the worst extremists the world have ever seen. They will never let you survive. Goodbye, nice guy! RIP!

[ItalianFury]

the type of person with several thousand posts on Stormfront, etc etc.

There's two posters that come to mind from Stormfront, one, Son of the Mist, who had 22,000 posts and if I remember correctly 12,000 of them were in the last year and was banned or requested to be, second, Col Cotton Fields 14,000 posts and requests cancellation.

It should be interesting to note how they both burnt themselves out, it also shows their intense levels of energy that can be attributed from the isolation of a homogeneous cultural group.

So, excessive posts do not hurt our movement.

[Rainraven]

I think they biggest threat to the cause is ignorance.

In some cases this does mean the right wing extremists. Those that commit crimes and draw attention without having any real purpose or reasoning behind their actions. They make the rest of us look like unintelligent idiots that can't back up our beliefs.

In other cases the ignorance is from the rest of the population who are happy to jump into the melting pot :(

[Ulex]

Those that commit crimes and draw attention without having any real purpose or reasoning behind their actions. They make the rest of us look like unintelligent idiots that can't back up our beliefs.(
It is important to note that the idiots of the right wing are not the ones to make a fool out of us. It's the press that deliberately uses the actions of the idiots against all of us. The reds are never put in a suspecious light because of some of their idiot actions. Kicking the ass of an old lady, who happens to be a supporter of a nationalist party, is never used by the press to illustrate the violence of the left wing.

The left and the right are fighting in a different set of rules; rules that are generally accepted by society. One side is allowed to kick his opponents ass, while the other one isn't. This is an annoying fact, which we have to deal with, as times are.

The reds makes mistakes. So do we. But we are the only ones who are blamed for the mistakes of our comrades.

[SwordoftheVistula]

What, pray tell, does the cold blooded murder of a radio host have to do with the preservation of white people? :rolleyes2:

Same reason we hit the radio & tv stations in Belgrade and Bagdad at the outset of those wars, as do other modern militaries

[Ulex]

Same reason we hit the radio & tv stations in Belgrade and Bagdad at the outset of those wars, as do other modern militaries
...exept that militaries aim is to hit material and not one single reporter. You don't close down an entire news network by killing one of its employees. Kill the messenger, and you won't get any more disturbing news. But the reality still goes on, you know - with or without annoying messengers.

This killing was an absolutely stupid act. It didn't put an end to media harassment of our cause. It only gave it one more reason to increase it. Such actions are not only stupid. They are counter productive.