Myheritage and GEDmatch results

[Ogi24]

https://i.imgur.com/Cf8Zz4Q.png

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.93
2 North_Atlantic 22.56
3 West_Med 19.3
4 East_Med 19.29
5 West_Asian 9.35
6 Red_Sea 2.44
7 Amerindian 0.41
8 Siberian 0.38
9 East_Asian 0.19


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 3.29
2 Romanian 3.54
3 Serbian 6.11
4 Greek_Thessaly 10.85
5 Moldavian 11.17
6 Croatian 13.79
7 Hungarian 14.11
8 North_Italian 15.98
9 Tuscan 15.99
10 Austrian 16.9
11 Italian_Abruzzo 17.7
12 Central_Greek 18.02
13 East_German 18.57
14 West_Sicilian 18.7
15 East_Sicilian 19.19
16 Ukrainian_Lviv 20.25
17 Ashkenazi 20.52
18 French 20.77
19 West_German 20.91
20 South_Polish 21.05

[Ogi24]

Can somebody exlpain to my what the gedmatch results mean ?

[Ljubic]

Can somebody exlpain to my what the gedmatch results mean ?

Your results are not that different from the Serbian matches i have. Dont take the 31% Greek literal.

[Ogi24]

Your results are not that different from the Serbian matches i have. Dont take the 31% Greek literal.

Yes i understand that. But can tell more about the meaming of gedmatch and why its so diffrent vs myheritage

[Ljubic]

Yes i understand that. But can tell more about the meaming of gedmatch and why its so diffrent vs myheritage

The gedmatch results mean that the tested population you are closest to are bulgarian. This however doesnt mean that you have necessarily Bulgarian ancestry. For that the DNA-Matches you have are a better indicator. Im not sure how other Montenegrins plot but i think they shouldnt be that different from you. Also Myheritage is very broad in its categorization. They put Balkan in one cluster which isnt very accurate..

[Ayetooey]

Can somebody exlpain to my what the gedmatch results mean ?

If you can post your eurogenes k15, with all the components from the first page. Also, do you know your Y dna, if not upload your data here. https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

I've not seen a lot of Montenegrin results.

[Ogi24]

If you can post your eurogenes k15, with all the components from the first page. Also, do you know your Y dna, if not upload your data here. https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

I've not seen a lot of Montenegrin results.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 17.64
2 North_Sea 16.9
3 West_Med 15.77
4 Baltic 15.68
5 Atlantic 13.66
6 Eastern_Euro 11.6
7 West_Asian 6.73
8 Red_Sea 2.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.39
2 Bulgarian 6.61
3 Serbian 7.1
4 Greek_Thessaly 9.76
5 Greek 11.43
6 Moldavian 11.52
7 Hungarian 13.3
8 Croatian 13.38
9 Tuscan 13.79
10 Austrian 14.16
11 North_Italian 14.32
12 Italian_Abruzzo 16.01
13 Ashkenazi 16.07
14 Central_Greek 16.43
15 West_Sicilian 16.8
16 East_Sicilian 17.22
17 East_German 17.48
18 Spanish_Galicia 18.29
19 Portuguese 18.64
20 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.78

[Ayetooey]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 17.64
2 North_Sea 16.9
3 West_Med 15.77
4 Baltic 15.68
5 Atlantic 13.66
6 Eastern_Euro 11.6
7 West_Asian 6.73
8 Red_Sea 2.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.39
2 Bulgarian 6.61
3 Serbian 7.1
4 Greek_Thessaly 9.76
5 Greek 11.43
6 Moldavian 11.52
7 Hungarian 13.3
8 Croatian 13.38
9 Tuscan 13.79
10 Austrian 14.16
11 North_Italian 14.32
12 Italian_Abruzzo 16.01
13 Ashkenazi 16.07
14 Central_Greek 16.43
15 West_Sicilian 16.8
16 East_Sicilian 17.22
17 East_German 17.48
18 Spanish_Galicia 18.29
19 Portuguese 18.64
20 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.78

You are quite south west shifted. I think this is normal for Montenegrins.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/315711208462221313/576842734543962122/unknown.png?width=400&height=266

[Maintenance]

You are albanian

[Coastal Elite]

Nice results..esp the Romanian part.

[Ogi24]

You are albanian

Based on what ?

[Ogi24]

Nice results..esp the Romanian part.

Thank you , i did not expect the Romanian part.

[Pribislav]

Usual result for Montenegrins.

[Ogi24]

Usual result for Montenegrins.

[xripkan]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 17.64
2 North_Sea 16.9
3 West_Med 15.77
4 Baltic 15.68
5 Atlantic 13.66
6 Eastern_Euro 11.6
7 West_Asian 6.73
8 Red_Sea 2.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.39
2 Bulgarian 6.61
3 Serbian 7.1
4 Greek_Thessaly 9.76
5 Greek 11.43
6 Moldavian 11.52
7 Hungarian 13.3
8 Croatian 13.38
9 Tuscan 13.79
10 Austrian 14.16
11 North_Italian 14.32
12 Italian_Abruzzo 16.01
13 Ashkenazi 16.07
14 Central_Greek 16.43
15 West_Sicilian 16.8
16 East_Sicilian 17.22
17 East_German 17.48
18 Spanish_Galicia 18.29
19 Portuguese 18.64
20 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.78

Could you also post your Mixed Mode Population Sharing of K15 and your Dodecad K12b?

[Ogi24]

Could you also post your Mixed Mode Population Sharing of K15 and your Dodecad K12b?
Dodecad K12b
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 35.81
2 Atlantic_Med 28.12
3 Caucasus 23.23
4 Southwest_Asian 7.45
5 Gedrosia 4.68
6 Siberian 0.52
7 Sub_Saharan 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 6.21
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 7.63
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 8.07
4 Hungarians (Behar) 13.83
5 O_Italian (Dodecad) 14.7
6 N_Italian (Dodecad) 16.65
7 German (Dodecad) 18.08
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 18.74
9 Greek (Dodecad) 19.26
10 Tuscan (HGDP) 19.27
11 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.6
12 C_Italian (Dodecad) 20.04
13 French (Dodecad) 20.75
14 French (HGDP) 20.87
15 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 21.18
16 Dutch (Dodecad) 22.74
17 Kent (1000Genomes) 24.43
18 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 24.71
19 English (Dodecad) 24.87
20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 25.01

[Ogi24]

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 17.64
2 North_Sea 16.9
3 West_Med 15.77
4 Baltic 15.68
5 Atlantic 13.66
6 Eastern_Euro 11.6
7 West_Asian 6.73
8 Red_Sea 2.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.39
2 Bulgarian 6.61
3 Serbian 7.1
4 Greek_Thessaly 9.76
5 Greek 11.43
6 Moldavian 11.52
7 Hungarian 13.3
8 Croatian 13.38
9 Tuscan 13.79
10 Austrian 14.16
11 North_Italian 14.32
12 Italian_Abruzzo 16.01
13 Ashkenazi 16.07
14 Central_Greek 16.43
15 West_Sicilian 16.8
16 East_Sicilian 17.22
17 East_German 17.48
18 Spanish_Galicia 18.29
19 Portuguese 18.64
20 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.78

[Ogi24]

double post.

[xripkan]

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 17.64
2 North_Sea 16.9
3 West_Med 15.77
4 Baltic 15.68
5 Atlantic 13.66
6 Eastern_Euro 11.6
7 West_Asian 6.73
8 Red_Sea 2.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.39
2 Bulgarian 6.61
3 Serbian 7.1
4 Greek_Thessaly 9.76
5 Greek 11.43
6 Moldavian 11.52
7 Hungarian 13.3
8 Croatian 13.38
9 Tuscan 13.79
10 Austrian 14.16
11 North_Italian 14.32
12 Italian_Abruzzo 16.01
13 Ashkenazi 16.07
14 Central_Greek 16.43
15 West_Sicilian 16.8
16 East_Sicilian 17.22
17 East_German 17.48
18 Spanish_Galicia 18.29
19 Portuguese 18.64
20 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.78

Under the single population mode there is also the mixed mode. You should bear in mind that Greek score for myheritage means Albanian and/or Greek ethnicities so this score makes sense. In general you plot more northern than Albanians. You are closer to Serbians on K15 PCA but it seems you have some Albanian ancestry as well. In general you seem a typical Balkanite with ancestry from Paleo-Balkan populations and Slavs.

[Ogi24]

Under the single population mode there is also the mixed mode. You should bear in mind that Greek score for myheritage means Albanian and/or Greek ethnicities so this score makes sense. In general you plot more northern than Albanians. You are closer to Serbians on K15 PCA but it seems you have some Albanian ancestry as well. In general you seem a typical Balkanite with ancestry from Paleo-Balkan populations and Slavs.

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.7% Greek_Thessaly + 29.3% Polish @ 3.86
2 68.2% Greek_Thessaly + 31.8% Ukrainian @ 3.98
3 73.3% Greek_Thessaly + 26.7% Estonian_Polish @ 4.08
4 74.8% Greek_Thessaly + 25.2% Estonian @ 4.14
5 68.4% Greek_Thessaly + 31.6% South_Polish @ 4.16
6 54.3% Ukrainian + 45.7% Italian_Jewish @ 4.2
7 59.1% Greek_Thessaly + 40.9% Croatian @ 4.24
8 73.4% Greek_Thessaly + 26.6% Belorussian @ 4.25
9 55.5% Ukrainian + 44.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.3
10 73.9% Greek_Thessaly + 26.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.4
11 61% Serbian + 39% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.43
12 50.3% Ukrainian + 49.7% South_Italian @ 4.43
13 53.9% West_Sicilian + 46.1% Ukrainian @ 4.44
14 72.3% Greek_Thessaly + 27.7% Southwest_Russian @ 4.46
15 71.9% Greek_Thessaly + 28.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.46
16 74.2% Greek_Thessaly + 25.8% East_Finnish @ 4.49
17 67.8% Greek_Thessaly + 32.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.5
18 76.1% Greek_Thessaly + 23.9% Lithuanian @ 4.57
19 59.1% Greek_Thessaly + 40.9% Hungarian @ 4.58
20 54.4% Greek + 45.6% Hungarian @ 4.6

[xripkan]

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.7% Greek_Thessaly + 29.3% Polish @ 3.86
2 68.2% Greek_Thessaly + 31.8% Ukrainian @ 3.98
3 73.3% Greek_Thessaly + 26.7% Estonian_Polish @ 4.08
4 74.8% Greek_Thessaly + 25.2% Estonian @ 4.14
5 68.4% Greek_Thessaly + 31.6% South_Polish @ 4.16
6 54.3% Ukrainian + 45.7% Italian_Jewish @ 4.2
7 59.1% Greek_Thessaly + 40.9% Croatian @ 4.24
8 73.4% Greek_Thessaly + 26.6% Belorussian @ 4.25
9 55.5% Ukrainian + 44.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.3
10 73.9% Greek_Thessaly + 26.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.4
11 61% Serbian + 39% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.43
12 50.3% Ukrainian + 49.7% South_Italian @ 4.43
13 53.9% West_Sicilian + 46.1% Ukrainian @ 4.44
14 72.3% Greek_Thessaly + 27.7% Southwest_Russian @ 4.46
15 71.9% Greek_Thessaly + 28.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.46
16 74.2% Greek_Thessaly + 25.8% East_Finnish @ 4.49
17 67.8% Greek_Thessaly + 32.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.5
18 76.1% Greek_Thessaly + 23.9% Lithuanian @ 4.57
19 59.1% Greek_Thessaly + 40.9% Hungarian @ 4.58
20 54.4% Greek + 45.6% Hungarian @ 4.6

Yes. it fits with my estimation.

[Ogi24]

Yes. it fits with my estimation.

So the Greek part is most likely Albanian ?

[xripkan]

So the Greek part is most likely Albanian ?

Very possibly. Albanians usually score 80-90% Greek at myheritage. Furthermore the combination 61% Serbian + 39% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.43 at your mixed mode indicates you have ancestry from Southern Balkans not especially Greece. Greek Thessaly is for northern-shifted Greeks and it could be used to describe a possible Albanian ancestry. In fact Albanians plot on K15 PCA between Greek Thessaly and Tuscan.

[xripkan]

You could also upload your raw data to the site Ayetooey gave you to learn your yDNA.

[Ogi24]

You could also upload your raw data to the site Ayetooey gave you to learn your yDNA.

Link?

[Ayetooey]

Link?

https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

[xripkan]

Link?

https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal
You will get 5 results. Your result is the first that writes most likely.

[Ogi24]

https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal
You will get 5 results. Your result is the first that writes most likely.

i got this as result.

R1b1a2a1a2b3b
R1b-S47

R1b1a2a2b
R1b-L277

R1b1a2a
R1b-L23 (R1b-L49, R1b-L150)

S1c
S-P83

K
K-M9 (K-PF5504, K-PF5493)

[Ayetooey]

i got this as result.

R1b1a2a1a2b3b
R1b-S47

R1b1a2a2b
R1b-L277

R1b1a2a
R1b-L23 (R1b-L49, R1b-L150)

S1c
S-P83

K
K-M9 (K-PF5504, K-PF5493)

Autosomally you are similar if not the same to Albanians from Montenegro, as is your Y dna which is typical Piperi.

[xripkan]

i got this as result.

R1b1a2a1a2b3b
R1b-S47

R1b1a2a2b
R1b-L277

R1b1a2a
R1b-L23 (R1b-L49, R1b-L150)

S1c
S-P83

K
K-M9 (K-PF5504, K-PF5493)

I assume the first one is more likely?

[Ogi24]

I assume the first one is more likely?

Yes

[xripkan]

Yes

You are under U152! Your haplogroup is Italo-Celtic. It peaks in Northern Italy.

[xripkan]

Autosomally you are similar if not the same to Albanians from Montenegro, as is your Y dna which is typical Piperi.

His ydna is not Balkanite. How is it typical Piperi?

[Ogi24]

You are under U152! Your haplogroup is Italo-Celtic. It peaks in Northern Italy.

Im am total noob about this subject. But can explain what that means ?

[Ayetooey]

You are under U152! Your haplogroup is Italo-Celtic. It peaks in Northern Italy.

Op is piperi which is R1b>L23>BY611. Morley can be inaccurate with the clades sometimes.

[Ayetooey]

His ydna is not Balkanite. How is it typical Piperi?.

I wouldn't take Morley as 100%; it's good at indicating the basic Y dna but not the subclade. It got my subclade wrong. Op is probably R1b>L23>BY611 which is the Piperi marker.

[Alenka]

Im am total noob about this subject. But can explain what that means ?
U152 means your fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers (...) father was Italo-Celtic.

[xripkan]

Im am total noob about this subject. But can explain what that means ?

Our ydna has to do with our y-chromosome which passes from father to son. Our ydna or paternal haplogroup indicates which is our paternal lineage thousands of years ago. So if you are under U-152 which is Italo-Celtic means your paternal ancestors hundreds or thousands year ago were Italo-Celtic (Northern Italians).

[xripkan]

I wouldn't take Morley as 100%; it's good at indicating the basic Y dna but not the subclade. It got my subclade wrong. Op is probably R1b>L23>BY611 which is the Piperi marker.

I didn't know that. It gave me the same subclade 23andme did. This marker is Illyrian?

[Ayetooey]

I didn't know that. It gave me the same subclade 23andme did. This marker is Illyrian?

Possibly Illyrian yes; the Piperi tribe members, which the OP is a part of are R1b>L23>BY611 by Y dna; it's a Montenegrin/Albanian mixed tribe. So I'd assume that's his Y dna since R1b-U152 isn't found in the Piperi tribe as far as I know. He should consider testing further with Y dna if he wants to be fully sure; it may be the case he is u152 like Morley suggests.

[xripkan]

Possibly Illyrian yes; the Piperi tribe members, which the OP is a part of are R1b>L23>BY611 by Y dna; it's a Montenegrin/Albanian mixed tribe. So I'd assume that's his Y dna since R1b-U152 isn't found in the Piperi tribe as far as I know. He should consider testing further with Y dna if he wants to be fully sure; it may be the case he is u152 like Morley suggests.

Yes, he should test it but he could be U-152. It is not frequent but it exists in Balkans. Furthermore the autosomal analysis very often is much different than ydna. I am very typical Greek and you see my ydna.

[Ogi24]

Possibly Illyrian yes; the Piperi tribe members, which the OP is a part of are R1b>L23>BY611 by Y dna; it's a Montenegrin/Albanian mixed tribe. So I'd assume that's his Y dna since R1b-U152 isn't found in the Piperi tribe as far as I know. He should consider testing further with Y dna if he wants to be fully sure; it may be the case he is u152 like Morley suggests.

So far i know that my father is from the Piperi tribe that he says and my mother is from the Vasojevići tribe. So i quiet surprised with the results so far.

[Ogi24]

I do have to say that my father does looks more like a Italian/ Greek person.

[Kaspias]

I want to ask something which is not related with the topic. In Western Balkans and N.Macedonia people usually score 20-28 NA. But in some regions of Bulgaria they score between 14-18. A sample from NW Bulgaria had 31 Baltic and 18 NA. Another person from Thrace had 21 Baltic and 14 NA. Why there is such a difference? I should add Bulgarian average is 20-21 NA. These people just minority among ethnic Bulgarians but still makes me think what is the thing which causes them to get less NA than other South Slavs. And the answer can't be Greek admixture because for example in Western Thrace while Greeks score 20+ NA and ~15 Baltic Bulgarians score ~20 Baltic and ~15 NA. So totally opposite.

[Pribislav]

Possibly Illyrian yes; the Piperi tribe members, which the OP is a part of are R1b>L23>BY611 by Y dna; it's a Montenegrin/Albanian mixed tribe. So I'd assume that's his Y dna since R1b-U152 isn't found in the Piperi tribe as far as I know. He should consider testing further with Y dna if he wants to be fully sure; it may be the case he is u152 like Morley suggests.

If he is R1b-U152 than he belong to Moračani-Bogićevci clan. Piperi are R1b-BY611, with I2a1b minority.

[Ayetooey]

If he is R1b-U152 than he belong to Moračani-Bogićevci clan.

This is possible, though he should test further with FTDNA for clarity as Morley often gets subclades wrong. Especially if his father claims Piperi.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

How many SNPs do you score with the MyHeritage raw file in your GEDmatch kit?

[Ogi24]

How many SNPs do you score with the MyHeritage raw file in your GEDmatch kit?

How can i find that?

[Pribislav]

...

[Ajeje Brazorf]

How can i find that?

Run Eurogenes K15, the number of SNPs is written at the bottom left

[Ogi24]

Run Eurogenes K15, the number of SNPs is written at the bottom left

78767 SNPs used in this evaluation