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Yeah I’m aware there was local Serbs who were islamised and not Sandzakians, that’s why I mentioned the two separately. Indigenous Bosniaks from rural regions seem to range from southern Croat like to eastern Croat like is my observation, not that southern/eastern Croats are the same. it’s Sarajevo Bosniaks who seem to be more similar to Bosnian Serbs, probably because many of them are like Bosniensis and have roots outside Bosnia. For indigenous rural Bosniaks it isn’t uncommon for them to hit Baltic in the mid to high 30s, something which isn’t common in any serb group.
We lack Herzegovina Bosniak samples unfortunately.
Bosnia and Herzegovina (regions) don't seem really different though, at least by judging Croat results. Both have high Slavic and Balkan/southern shifted results. So maybe for Bosniaks it will be the same.
It's only east Herzegovina Serbs who seem to differ, likely due to strong Montenegrin influence. I'd be curios to see muslim samples from west and east Herzegovina and do they differ or not.
Varda
01-18-2022, 10:58 AM
Yeah I’m aware there was local Serbs who were islamised and not Sandzakians, that’s why I mentioned the two separately. Indigenous Bosniaks from rural regions seem to range from southern Croat like to eastern Croat like is my observation, not that southern/eastern Croats are the same. it’s Sarajevo Bosniaks who seem to be more similar to Bosnian Serbs, probably because many of them are like Bosniensis and have roots outside Bosnia. For indigenous rural Bosniaks it isn’t uncommon for them to hit Baltic in the mid to high 30s, something which isn’t common in any serb group.
No. southern and eastern Croats are very similar genetically, we just lacked proper east Croat average. Soon it will be fixed.
Distance between southern and eastern Croatians is 3.637 and between SH and Bosniak_Bosnia is 4.008 https://i.imgur.com/VUyLrvX.png
Southern Croatians are closer to Bosnian Serbs (1.961), Serbs from Croatia (2.805) and Serbs from western Serbia (3.362), than to eastern Croatians and Bosnian Bosniaks.
Distance between southern and eastern Croatians is 3.637 and between SH and Bosniak_Bosnia is 4.008 https://i.imgur.com/VUyLrvX.png
Southern Croatians are closer to Bosnian Serbs (1.961), Serbs from Croatia (2.805) and Serbs from western Serbia (3.362) than to eastern Croatians and Bosnian Bosniaks.
Are you trolling? East Croat average is not representative and it's made on small sample size, Slavonians aren't that Baltic on average.
And Bosniaks from Bosnia are indeed genetically closer to Croats than Serbs, Serbs rarely have such high Baltic results.
Overall Bosniaks may be more Baltic than either group (even though their average needs update as well, it is also too much Baltic imo)
Russki
01-18-2022, 11:10 AM
Distance between southern and eastern Croatians is 3.637 and between SH and Bosniak_Bosnia is 4.008 https://i.imgur.com/VUyLrvX.png
Southern Croatians are closer to Bosnian Serbs (1.961), Serbs from Croatia (2.805) and Serbs from western Serbia (3.362), than to eastern Croatians and Bosnian Bosniaks.
These "averages" are made of 5-10 users who don't even cluster with each other.
Do not rely on results of a handful of users on amateur forums when talking about regional averages, rely on peer-reviewed genetic studies.
These "averages" are made of 5-10 users who don't even cluster with each other.
No. Southern Croat and Serb averages are very stable and representative, made of huge sample size. With people with full ancestry from these regions.
Do not rely on personal results of several random users on amateur forums when talking about regional averages, rely on peer-reviewed genetic studies.
Wrong. Peer reviewed samples are often highly unrepresentative, including foreigners and mixed people from large cities, and not checked for grandparents ancestry at all.
What we have on Vahaduo is vastly superior and more representative.
vbnetkhio
01-18-2022, 11:15 AM
Here are the new averages. Southeast is Herzegovina, Sarajevo, Gornji Vakuf, Gorazde.
the one currently in Vahaduo is Central + Tuzla, Dunai renamed it to just "Bosniak".
I think it should be renamed to Bosniak_central_Bosnia, and the Sarajevo average should be added back as "Bosniak".
Bosniak_Eastern_Krajina(8),25.43375,33.88625,15.87 625,9.105,11.04375,2.165,0.43625,0.41,0.17375,0.91 625,0.2975,0.18375,0.07875
Bosniak_Southeast(5),24.67,30.37,16.69,8.45,15.57, 1.96,0.64,0.38,0.30,0.50,0.31,0.17,0.00
Bosniak_Cazin_Bihac(7),27.62,30.586,15.244,8.494,1 4.978,0.744,0.114,0.448,0.27,0.726,0.64,0.116,0.02
Here are the new averages. Southeast is Herzegovina, Sarajevo, Gornji Vakuf, Gorazde.
the one currently in Vahaduo is Central + Tuzla, Dunai renamed it to just "Bosniak".
I think it should be renamed to Bosniak_central_Bosnia, and the Sarajevo average should be added back as "Bosniak".
Bosniak_Eastern_Krajina(8),25.43375,33.88625,15.87 625,9.105,11.04375,2.165,0.43625,0.41,0.17375,0.91 625,0.2975,0.18375,0.07875
Bosniak_Southeast(5),24.67,30.37,16.69,8.45,15.57, 1.96,0.64,0.38,0.30,0.50,0.31,0.17,0.00
Bosniak_Cazin_Bihac(7),27.62,30.586,15.244,8.494,1 4.978,0.744,0.114,0.448,0.27,0.726,0.64,0.116,0.02
That looks fine! Here with renamed Bosniak
Bosniak_Central_Northeastern,25.73,35.04,14.18,8.5 8,12.19,1.26,0.98,0.31,0.62,0.60,0.25,0.16,0.10
Is this labeling applicable (NE sounds bit wider than just Tuzla, unless you expects rest of NE to be different)?
MoroLP
01-18-2022, 11:19 AM
Distance between southern and eastern Croatians is 3.637 and between SH and Bosniak_Bosnia is 4.008 https://i.imgur.com/VUyLrvX.png
Southern Croatians are closer to Bosnian Serbs (1.961), Serbs from Croatia (2.805) and Serbs from western Serbia (3.362), than to eastern Croatians and Bosnian Bosniaks.
Currently unpublished "Croat_East"/"Croat_Slavonia":
Distance to: Croat_Slavonia
1.00692602 Croat_Bosnia
1.41396605 Croat_Herzegovina
1.83040979 Croat_Lika
1.88111669 Croat_Dalmatia
2.13841062 Croat_Istria
2.54271508 Serb_Republika_Srpska
2.57373270 Croat
2.99766576 Bosniak
3.00319830 Romanian_North-Moldavia
3.18596924 Croat_Kvarner
3.36306408 Moldovan_North
3.72978552 Serb_Croatia
3.79253214 Moldovan_Central
3.91074162 Moldovan
4.41804255 Serb_West
4.56851179 Romanian_Maramureș
4.60500814 Serb
4.66908985 Croat_Central
4.73601098 Hungarian_Alföld
4.82806379 Serb_Central
5.22786763 Csángó-Ceangău
5.44638412 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.45864452 Serb_Vojvodina
5.77389816 Hungarian
6.24275580 Serb_Herzegovina
Distance to: Croat_Dalmatia
1.40103533 Croat_Bosnia
1.79008380 Croat_Istria
1.88111669 Croat_Slavonia
1.88584199 Serb_Republika_Srpska
1.98408669 Croat_Lika
2.07149704 Croat_Herzegovina
2.32038790 Romanian_North-Moldavia
2.73384345 Serb_Croatia
2.93392229 Croat
3.04983606 Romanian_Maramureș
3.08176897 Serb_West
3.21418730 Croat_Kvarner
3.51262010 Moldovan_Central
3.53385059 Serb
3.61293509 Moldovan
4.02385387 Serb_Central
4.08626969 Csángó-Ceangău
4.09086788 Moldovan_North
4.24178029 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.28856619 Bosniak
4.37170447 Serb_Vojvodina
4.90815648 Hungarian_Alföld
5.14556119 Croat_Central
5.20889624 Serb_Herzegovina
5.55590677 Romanian_Crișana
Distance to: Croat_Bosnia
1.00692602 Croat_Slavonia
1.35118467 Croat_Istria
1.40103533 Croat_Dalmatia
1.44903416 Croat_Lika
1.81113224 Croat_Herzegovina
2.39152671 Croat
2.48219661 Serb_Republika_Srpska
2.75163588 Romanian_North-Moldavia
2.77811087 Croat_Kvarner
3.28779561 Serb_Croatia
3.57937145 Bosniak
3.85151918 Moldovan_Central
3.91117629 Moldovan_North
3.93357344 Romanian_Maramureș
3.98035174 Moldovan
4.00012500 Serb_West
4.25690028 Serb
4.40082947 Serb_Central
4.55008791 Hungarian_Alföld
4.58810418 Croat_Central
4.76581577 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.82581599 Csángó-Ceangău
5.03288188 Serb_Vojvodina
5.46576619 Hungarian
5.86104939 Serb_Herzegovina
Distance to: Croat_Herzegovina
1.41396605 Croat_Slavonia
1.63966460 Serb_Republika_Srpska
1.81113224 Croat_Bosnia
2.07149704 Croat_Dalmatia
2.35985169 Romanian_North-Moldavia
2.77834483 Moldovan
2.78797417 Moldovan_Central
2.94888114 Croat_Istria
3.01330383 Serb_Croatia
3.02910878 Croat_Lika
3.14093935 Moldovan_North
3.65282083 Bosniak
3.73368451 Serb
3.82536273 Serb_West
3.86251214 Croat
4.02888322 Serb_Central
4.16941243 Romanian_Maramureș
4.35553671 Croat_Kvarner
4.62725621 Serb_Vojvodina
5.32472535 Serb_Herzegovina
5.55843503 Serb_South
5.73317539 Csángó-Ceangău
5.92646606 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.99173598 Croat_Central
6.01841341 Hungarian_Alföld
SE Bosniaks (Sarajevo + Herzegovina) are Serb like. That looks applicable to me.
Distance to: Bosniak_Southeast(5)
1.01123687 Serb_Croatia
1.36370818 Serb_Central
1.40264037 Serb
1.92007812 Serb_Republika_Srpska
1.98083316 Serb_Vojvodina
2.10660865 Serb_West
2.43238566 Romanian_North-Moldavia
2.58497582 Serb_Herzegovina
2.59090718 Romanian_Maramureș
2.82248118 Moldovan
2.97916096 Serb_South
3.06049016 Moldovan_Central
3.13413465 Croat_South
3.54632204 Romanian_Crișana
4.28696863 Romanian_South-Moldavia
4.69428376 Romanian_Transylvania
4.69928718 Montenegrin
4.96971830 Croat_West
5.01743959 Romanian
5.20538183 Moldovan_South
5.51551448 Moldovan_North
5.52467194 Romanian_Banat
5.63827988 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.96374044 Serb_Montenegro
5.96639757 Croat
vbnetkhio
01-18-2022, 11:24 AM
That looks fine! Here with renamed Bosniak
Bosniak_Central_Northeastern,25.73,35.04,14.18,8.5 8,12.19,1.26,0.98,0.31,0.62,0.60,0.25,0.16,0.10
Is this labeling applicable (NE sounds bit wider than just Tuzla, unless you expects rest of NE to be different)?
Northeast is ok.
here's what should be added then.
Bosniak_Eastern_Krajina,25.43,33.89,15.88,9.11,11. 04,2.17,0.44,0.41,0.17,0.92,0.30,0.18,0.08
Bosniak_Southeast,24.67,30.37,16.69,8.45,15.57,1.9 6,0.64,0.38,0.30,0.50,0.31,0.17,0.00
Bosniak_Cazin_Bihac,27.62,30.59,15.24,8.49,14.98,0 .74,0.11,0.45,0.27,0.73,0.64,0.12,0.02
Bosniak,24.88,32.47,15.40,8.91,13.89,1.77,0.79,0.5 1,0.57,0.47,0.26,0.02,0.06
Northeast is ok.
here's what should be added then.
Bosniak_Eastern_Krajina,25.43,33.89,15.88,9.11,11. 04,2.17,0.44,0.41,0.17,0.92,0.30,0.18,0.08
Bosniak_Southeast,24.67,30.37,16.69,8.45,15.57,1.9 6,0.64,0.38,0.30,0.50,0.31,0.17,0.00
Bosniak_Cazin_Bihac,27.62,30.59,15.24,8.49,14.98,0 .74,0.11,0.45,0.27,0.73,0.64,0.12,0.02
Bosniak,24.88,32.47,15.40,8.91,13.89,1.77,0.79,0.5 1,0.57,0.47,0.26,0.02,0.06
:thumbsup:
Nice work.
Russki
01-18-2022, 11:33 AM
No. Southern Croat and Serb averages are very stable and representative, made of huge sample size. With people with full ancestry from these regions.
How many people for each Croatian region?
How many people for each Croatian region?
Lot more than 5-10. Serbs and Croats are well sampled, eastern Croatia was exception and undersampled.
Anyway, sample size isn't overly important, it's much more important how deeply rooted samples are because on small areas everyone will be genetically similar unless some kind of societal separation (eg Gypsies, Jews)
MoroLP
01-18-2022, 11:37 AM
Okay, the new Bosniak average is much closer to shown Croatian averages. Distance is between 0.98-2.04
Distance to: Bosniak
0.98096891 Croat_Herzegovina
1.78795973 Croat_Slavonia
1.86225670 Serb_Republika_Srpska
1.93134668 Croat_Bosnia
1.93297698 Romanian_North-Moldavia
2.04763278 Croat_Dalmatia
2.31864184 Moldovan_Central
2.39589232 Moldovan
2.66368166 Moldovan_North
3.05452124 Bosniak_Southeast
3.11891007 Croat_Istria
3.12840215 Serb_Croatia
3.17474408 Croat_Lika
3.37555921 Bosniak_Eastern_Krajina
3.77790947 Bosniak_Cazin_Bihac
3.82602927 Serb
3.87900761 Croat
3.94924043 Romanian_Maramureș
3.94997468 Serb_West
4.16014423 Serb_Central
4.19909514 Croat_Kvarner
4.69772285 Serb_Vojvodina
5.42602986 Csángó-Ceangău
5.43825340 Serb_Herzegovina
5.51455347 Serb_South
Distance to: Bosniak_Cazin_Bihac
1.89425447 Croat_Istria
2.65697196 Croat_Bosnia
2.66078936 Croat_Dalmatia
2.94844027 Serb_Croatia
3.04276190 Croat_Lika
3.04412549 Romanian_Maramureș
3.33235652 Romanian_North-Moldavia
3.35320742 Serb_Republika_Srpska
3.36514487 Croat_Slavonia
3.47982758 Croat_Kvarner
3.51247776 Serb_West
3.62531378 Bosniak_Southeast
3.70956871 Croat_Herzegovina
3.77790947 Bosniak
3.78800739 Serb_Central
3.87586119 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
3.89575410 Serb
3.95073411 Croat
4.28277947 Serb_Vojvodina
4.77651547 Moldovan_Central
4.86928126 Moldovan
4.92058940 Csángó-Ceangău
4.93123717 Romanian_Crișana
5.15746062 Serb_Herzegovina
5.61398254 Hungarian_Alföld
Distance to: Bosniak_Central_Northeast
2.56573576 Moldovan_North
2.70994465 Bosniak_Eastern_Krajina
2.99766576 Croat_Slavonia
3.34300763 Croat
3.49164718 Bosniak
3.57937145 Croat_Bosnia
3.65282083 Croat_Herzegovina
3.74611799 Croat_Lika
3.92782382 Croat_Kvarner
4.28856619 Croat_Dalmatia
4.40917226 Croat_Central
4.41583514 Ukrainian_Carpathians
4.61675211 Croat_Istria
4.65542694 Lemko_Poland
4.71554875 Hungarian_Alföld
5.01732997 Romanian_North-Moldavia
5.05541294 Serb_Republika_Srpska
5.22025861 Moldovan_Central
5.45078893 Moldovan
5.72807996 Hungarian_North
5.79972413 Bosniak_Cazin_Bihac
5.80510982 Hungarian
6.41528643 Serb_Croatia
6.43509907 Bosniak_Southeast
6.49907686 Csángó-Ceangău
Distance to: Bosniak_Eastern_Krajina
3.04272904 Moldovan_North
3.22738284 Croat_Slavonia
3.37555921 Bosniak
3.44831843 Croat
3.54216036 Croat_Herzegovina
3.55066191 Croat_Dalmatia
3.61643471 Croat_Lika
3.62818136 Croat_Bosnia
4.39461034 Croat_Kvarner
4.44429972 Serb_Republika_Srpska
4.58772275 Croat_Istria
4.72419305 Croat_Central
4.77342644 Romanian_North-Moldavia
4.86943529 Hungarian_Alföld
5.03266331 Moldovan_Central
5.15306705 Moldovan
5.47413920 Lemko_Poland
5.64528122 Csángó-Ceangău
5.85901016 Bosniak_Cazin_Bihac
5.87509149 Serb_Croatia
5.88102032 Ukrainian_Carpathians
5.90470152 Bosniak_Southeast
5.98614233 Hungarian
6.19718484 Serb_West
6.25596515 Romanian_Maramureș
Distance to: Bosniak_Southeast
1.01123687 Serb_Croatia
1.36370818 Serb_Central
1.40264037 Serb
1.92007812 Serb_Republika_Srpska
1.98083316 Serb_Vojvodina
2.10660865 Serb_West
2.43238566 Romanian_North-Moldavia
2.58497582 Serb_Herzegovina
2.59090718 Romanian_Maramureș
2.82248118 Moldovan
2.95465734 Croat_Herzegovina
2.97916096 Serb_South
3.05452124 Bosniak
3.06049016 Moldovan_Central
3.16311555 Croat_Dalmatia
3.51055551 Croat_Bosnia
3.54632204 Romanian_Crișana
3.62531378 Bosniak_Cazin_Bihac
3.82393776 Croat_Istria
3.88230602 Croat_Slavonia
4.28696863 Romanian_South-Moldavia
4.67609880 Croat_Lika
4.69428376 Romanian_Transylvania
4.69928718 Montenegrin
5.01743959 Romanian
Varda
01-18-2022, 12:53 PM
Okay, the new Bosniak average is much closer to shown Croatian averages. Distance is between 0.98-2.04
Distance to: Bosniak
0.98096891 Croat_Herzegovina
1.78795973 Croat_Slavonia
1.86225670 Serb_Republika_Srpska
1.93134668 Croat_Bosnia
1.93297698 Romanian_North-Moldavia
2.04763278 Croat_Dalmatia
2.31864184 Moldovan_Central
2.39589232 Moldovan
2.66368166 Moldovan_North
3.05452124 Bosniak_Southeast
3.11891007 Croat_Istria
3.12840215 Serb_Croatia
3.17474408 Croat_Lika
3.37555921 Bosniak_Eastern_Krajina
3.77790947 Bosniak_Cazin_Bihac
3.82602927 Serb
3.87900761 Croat
3.94924043 Romanian_Maramureș
3.94997468 Serb_West
4.16014423 Serb_Central
4.19909514 Croat_Kvarner
4.69772285 Serb_Vojvodina
5.42602986 Csángó-Ceangău
5.43825340 Serb_Herzegovina
5.51455347 Serb_South
Distance to: Bosniak_Cazin_Bihac
1.89425447 Croat_Istria
2.65697196 Croat_Bosnia
2.66078936 Croat_Dalmatia
2.94844027 Serb_Croatia
3.04276190 Croat_Lika
3.04412549 Romanian_Maramureș
3.33235652 Romanian_North-Moldavia
3.35320742 Serb_Republika_Srpska
3.36514487 Croat_Slavonia
3.47982758 Croat_Kvarner
3.51247776 Serb_West
3.62531378 Bosniak_Southeast
3.70956871 Croat_Herzegovina
3.77790947 Bosniak
3.78800739 Serb_Central
3.87586119 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
3.89575410 Serb
3.95073411 Croat
4.28277947 Serb_Vojvodina
4.77651547 Moldovan_Central
4.86928126 Moldovan
4.92058940 Csángó-Ceangău
4.93123717 Romanian_Crișana
5.15746062 Serb_Herzegovina
5.61398254 Hungarian_Alföld
Distance to: Bosniak_Central_Northeast
2.56573576 Moldovan_North
2.70994465 Bosniak_Eastern_Krajina
2.99766576 Croat_Slavonia
3.34300763 Croat
3.49164718 Bosniak
3.57937145 Croat_Bosnia
3.65282083 Croat_Herzegovina
3.74611799 Croat_Lika
3.92782382 Croat_Kvarner
4.28856619 Croat_Dalmatia
4.40917226 Croat_Central
4.41583514 Ukrainian_Carpathians
4.61675211 Croat_Istria
4.65542694 Lemko_Poland
4.71554875 Hungarian_Alföld
5.01732997 Romanian_North-Moldavia
5.05541294 Serb_Republika_Srpska
5.22025861 Moldovan_Central
5.45078893 Moldovan
5.72807996 Hungarian_North
5.79972413 Bosniak_Cazin_Bihac
5.80510982 Hungarian
6.41528643 Serb_Croatia
6.43509907 Bosniak_Southeast
6.49907686 Csángó-Ceangău
Distance to: Bosniak_Eastern_Krajina
3.04272904 Moldovan_North
3.22738284 Croat_Slavonia
3.37555921 Bosniak
3.44831843 Croat
3.54216036 Croat_Herzegovina
3.55066191 Croat_Dalmatia
3.61643471 Croat_Lika
3.62818136 Croat_Bosnia
4.39461034 Croat_Kvarner
4.44429972 Serb_Republika_Srpska
4.58772275 Croat_Istria
4.72419305 Croat_Central
4.77342644 Romanian_North-Moldavia
4.86943529 Hungarian_Alföld
5.03266331 Moldovan_Central
5.15306705 Moldovan
5.47413920 Lemko_Poland
5.64528122 Csángó-Ceangău
5.85901016 Bosniak_Cazin_Bihac
5.87509149 Serb_Croatia
5.88102032 Ukrainian_Carpathians
5.90470152 Bosniak_Southeast
5.98614233 Hungarian
6.19718484 Serb_West
6.25596515 Romanian_Maramureș
Distance to: Bosniak_Southeast
1.01123687 Serb_Croatia
1.36370818 Serb_Central
1.40264037 Serb
1.92007812 Serb_Republika_Srpska
1.98083316 Serb_Vojvodina
2.10660865 Serb_West
2.43238566 Romanian_North-Moldavia
2.58497582 Serb_Herzegovina
2.59090718 Romanian_Maramureș
2.82248118 Moldovan
2.95465734 Croat_Herzegovina
2.97916096 Serb_South
3.05452124 Bosniak
3.06049016 Moldovan_Central
3.16311555 Croat_Dalmatia
3.51055551 Croat_Bosnia
3.54632204 Romanian_Crișana
3.62531378 Bosniak_Cazin_Bihac
3.82393776 Croat_Istria
3.88230602 Croat_Slavonia
4.28696863 Romanian_South-Moldavia
4.67609880 Croat_Lika
4.69428376 Romanian_Transylvania
4.69928718 Montenegrin
5.01743959 Romanian
3/5 are closer to Serbian than Croatian average, including cluster "Bosniak" (Bosniak national average).
3/5 are closer to Serbian than Croatian average, including cluster "Bosniak" (Bosniak national average).
Average is irrelevant, it is a fantasy mid point between genetically different populations that include north Croats. And saying something is 0.1% closer is ridiculous.
Except SE Bosniaks, they are closer to Croatian regions. Deal with it and move on.
Varda
01-18-2022, 12:58 PM
3/5 are closer to Serbian than Croatian average, including cluster "Bosniak" (Bosniak national average).
I don't claim Bosniaks, but just say. Everyone who love fucking Bosniak should take several of them in own home.
Varda
01-18-2022, 01:05 PM
Average is irrelevant, it is a fantasy mid point between genetically different populations that include north Croats. And saying something is 0.1% closer is ridiculous.
Except SE Bosniaks, they are closer to Croatian regions. Deal with it and move on.
In reality Bosniaks are probably more southern shifted than what that several or several dozens samples show, because in Bosnia live tons of Sandžakians for decades who are often in marriages with natives. Sandžakians are in everything superior towards the Bosnian Muslims including birth rate, and they are for sure future of Bosniak nation.
Ljubic
01-18-2022, 01:07 PM
What else are they superior in? What does that even mean?
In reality Bosniaks are probably more southern shifted than what that several or several dozens samples show, because in Bosnia live tons of Sandžakians for decades who are often in marriages with natives. Sandžakians are in everything superior towards the Bosnian Muslims including birth rate, and they are for sure future of Bosniak nation.
I don't like Sandžaklians at all. It doesn't matter who lives in Bosnia, genetic averages are for fully native unmixed population.
Ljubic
01-18-2022, 01:12 PM
What else are they superior in? What does that even mean?
Varda
01-18-2022, 01:18 PM
What else are they superior in? What does that even mean?
Sandakians are more turned to Islam and they are less westernized, they have higher birth rate, they have higher moral, they are clanish connected between each other unlike Bosnian Muslims (that is good in this era of globalization) etc.
The best fighter in Bosnian war 1992-95 on Bosniak side were Sandakians. In Bosniak leadership also there was many Sandakians, for example Ejup Ganić one of the biggest culprits for the war is Sandakian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejup_Ganić
Duan
01-18-2022, 01:23 PM
Why are Bosnian Muslims so retarded that they needed to promote in songs and commerciall how to declare themselves on population census. :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYaneeixqbs
"I am a Bosniak, my religion is Islam, my language is Bosnian"
I will say that on the population census.
I have to be careful, I will solve, because of the past,
I must not be mistaken on census. :bored0:
I must never forget those three,
therein lies the key to my destiny.
https://static.klix.ba/media/images/vijesti/b_211001143.jpg?v=2
Josip will declare himself on the census as a Croat, Dušanka as a Serb.
What will Emir say? :biggrin:
Varda
01-18-2022, 01:29 PM
Sandžakians are more turned to Islam and they are less westernized, they have higher birth rate, they have higher moral, they are clanish connected between each other unlike Bosnian Muslims (that is good in this era of globalization) etc.
The best fighter in Bosnian war 1992-95 on Bosniak side were Sandžakians. In Bosniak leadership also there was many Sandžakians, for example Ejup Ganić one of the biggest culprits for the war is Sandžakian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejup_Ganić
Sefer Halilović also one of the Bosniak war leaders - Sandžakian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefer_Halilović
Fahrudin Radončić present day Bosniak taykun and politician - Sandžakian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrudin_Radončić
I don't like Sandžaklians at all. It doesn't matter who lives in Bosnia, genetic averages are for fully native unmixed population.
xD
https://youtu.be/MLXmhmCZkdo
https://youtu.be/2tim0_dCByM
Ljubic
01-18-2022, 01:31 PM
Sandžakians are more turned to Islam and they are less westernized, they have higher birth rate, they have higher moral, they are clanish connected between each other unlike Bosnian Muslims (that is good in this era of globalization) etc.
The best fighter in Bosnian war 1992-95 on Bosniak side were Sandžakians. In Bosniak leadership also there was many Sandžakians, for example Ejup Ganić one of the biggest culprits for the war is Sandžakian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejup_Ganić
I dont know if it is true, but if it is, the natives sound much more symphatetic to me.
@Dušan
Emir will say he is Bosniak.
Sorry will not get offtopic anymore.
Duan
01-18-2022, 01:37 PM
@Dušan
Emir will say he is Bosniak.
Sorry will not get offtopic anymore.
Why Emir needs a billboard and a song, to convince him how to declare himself on the census?
Thats so funny and bizzare.
CommonSense
01-18-2022, 01:42 PM
Northeast is ok.
here's what should be added then.
Bosniak_Eastern_Krajina,25.43,33.89,15.88,9.11,11. 04,2.17,0.44,0.41,0.17,0.92,0.30,0.18,0.08
Bosniak_Southeast,24.67,30.37,16.69,8.45,15.57,1.9 6,0.64,0.38,0.30,0.50,0.31,0.17,0.00
Bosniak_Cazin_Bihac,27.62,30.59,15.24,8.49,14.98,0 .74,0.11,0.45,0.27,0.73,0.64,0.12,0.02
Bosniak,24.88,32.47,15.40,8.91,13.89,1.77,0.79,0.5 1,0.57,0.47,0.26,0.02,0.06
You should rename 'Cazin_Bihac' to 'Pounje'.
I don't claim Bosniaks, but just say. Everyone who love fucking Bosniak should take several of them in own home.
It is just fascinating how much Northern blood they have. That's it. One of those samples is straight up a Northern Croat. Even partially Germanic.
Do you not like their girl? ;)
vbnetkhio
01-18-2022, 02:46 PM
You should rename 'Cazin_Bihac' to 'Pounje'.
Or maybe Krajina_West and Krajina_East?
CommonSense
01-18-2022, 03:15 PM
Or maybe Krajina_West and Krajina_East?
That solution is reasonable too. I think 'Cazin_Bihac' sounds kind of ambiguous and casual users wouldn't understand what it represents.
Maybe Krajina_West better. Because Dubica for example in also part of Pounje, but it is krajina east. Should I change label in Lucas thread? He didn't add it yet.
Varda
01-18-2022, 03:28 PM
It is just fascinating how much Northern blood they have. That's it. One of those samples is straight up a Northern Croat. Even partially Germanic.
Do you not like their girl? ;)
Man, you are one of the biggest nordists here. :) Stearsolina is not so obsessed with nordicism anymore as earlier.
What do you think how much northern blood have this Bosniak woman from Tuzla (Dalila)? :) https://youtu.be/YfXE9fqdT4E?t=54
She is star of the most popular reality show in Serbia and married for Serbian guy but she had sexual affair with other guy who is half Croatian half Serb. Her nose before surgery was Armenoid.
And this one also from Tulza (Senada) former reality star and currently public prostitute in Serbia? https://youtu.be/lDw7o4cAtYI?t=405
Price for fucking her is 500 euros. On the video she speak about her first anal sex.
^^
Such behavior is pretty common among Bosnian Muslims girls/women, and almost doesn't exist among Sandžakian ones.
My favorite girls are Serbian. :thumb001:
As a teenager i was in shorter relationship with Slovak girl from Vojvodina. She looked northern as fuck; natural blonde, with blue eyes, pale etc.
Man, you are one of the biggest nordists here. :) Stearsolina is not so obsessed with nordicism anymore as earlier.
What do you think how much northern blood have this Bosniak woman from Tuzla (Dalila)? :) https://youtu.be/YfXE9fqdT4E?t=54
She is star of the most popular reality show in Serbia and married for Serbian guy but she had sexual affair with other guy who is half Croatian half Serb. Her nose before surgery was Armenoid.
And this one also from Tulza (Senada) former reality star and currently public prostitute in Serbia? https://youtu.be/lDw7o4cAtYI?t=405
Price for fucking her is 500 euros. On the video she speak about her first anal sex.
^^
Such behavior is pretty common among Bosnian Muslims girls/women, and almost doesn't exist among Sandžakian ones.
My favorite girls are Serbian. :thumb001:
As a teenager i was in shorter relationship with Slovak girl from Vojvodina. She looked northern as fuck; natural blonde, with blue eyes, pale etc.
I was never obsessed with nordicism, Scandinavians don't interest me. It's you who has inferiority complex, like to post northern looking Serbs and such results, and at same time like to post swarthiest Croats/Bosniaks and their most southern shifted results. For every exotic Bosniak you post there will be 2 exotic Serbs, because guess what, Bosniaks are somewhat more northern shifted than Serbs, both in looks and dna (Sandžak excluded obviously)
If you were such a proud Serb you would take pride in Serb genetics and phenotypes, and not cherrypick lightest and most northern individuals among you can find while trying to darkwash other ethnic groups who are lighter than you.
I much prefer Serb like Dušan, he is a psycho četnik but has pride and thinks Serbs are the best in every way, exactly as they are, and does not suck it up to anyone else.
You are not in that cathegory. He loves Serbs much more than you will ever do.
vbnetkhio
01-18-2022, 03:36 PM
Maybe Krajina_West better. Because Dubica for example in also part of Pounje, but it is krajina east. Should I change label in Lucas thread? He didn't add it yet.
Yeah, you can edit them into Krajina_West and Krajina_East.
And yes, I don't approve of Leto northern obsession. Accepting that I guess one recognize our Meddish people are inferior, and steppe rich people like Russians are I guess some master race.
People can piss off with their steppic/northern shit. I am proud of our beautiful Slavo-Meddish south Slavic combinations, including looks, temper and DNA.
Duan
01-18-2022, 03:38 PM
It is just fascinating how much Northern blood they have. That's it. One of those samples is straight up a Northern Croat. Even partially Germanic.
Do you not like their girl? ;)
I found one for you. She scores 36% Baltic in K13. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE6gFVGYP64
xD xD xD
Yeah, you can edit them into Krajina_West and Krajina_East.
Done.
Varda
01-18-2022, 03:42 PM
I was never obsessed with nordicism, Scandinavians don't interest me. It's you who has inferiority complex, like to post northern looking Serbs and such results, and at same time like to post swarthiest Croats/Bosniaks and their most southern shifted results. For every exotic Bosniak you post there will be 2 exotic Serbs, because guess what, Bosniaks are somewhat more northern shifted than Serbs, both in looks and dna (Sandžak excluded obviously)
If you were such a proud Serb you would take pride in Serb genetics and phenotypes, and not cherrypick lightest and most northern individuals among you can find while trying to darkwash other ethnic groups who are lighter than you.
I much prefer Serb like Dušan, he is a psycho četnik but has pride and thinks Serbs are the best in every way, exactly as they are, and does not suck it up to anyone else.
You are not in that cathegory. He loves Serbs much more than you will ever do.
If your are so big Croatian as you present yourself, you would work on rising the Croatian birth rate and not Hungarian dear. :coffee: You have 400K less people than in 2011.
And one more thing. You take too seriously what some unknown people say/think about you and your ethnicity here in this virtual world.
I wish you a pleasant day!
If your are so big Croatian as you present yourself, you would work on rising the Croatian birth rate and not Hungarian dear. :coffee: You have 400K less people than in 2011.
And one more thing. You take too seriously what some unknown people say/think about you and your ethnicity here in this virtual world.
I wish you a pleasant day!
You should too, you are Russki looking Serb, you should make lot of Slavo-Serbo babies. Wish you a pleasant day, darling.
Nausevar
01-18-2022, 03:53 PM
Northeastern lowlands muslims are more slavic and less native. Central and Northwestern are on the middle way between southern Croats and Bosnian Serbs. Herzegovina and Podrinje close to BH Serbs. Sandzak muslims who didn't mix with albanians are the same as montenegrins.
It seems like all religious groups from NE Bosnia are more NE shifted (high baltic).
And yes, I don't approve of Leto northern obsession. Accepting that I guess one recognize our Meddish people are inferior, and steppe rich people like Russians are I guess some master race.
People can piss off with their steppic/northern shit. I am proud of our beautiful Slavo-Meddish south Slavic combinations, including looks, temper and DNA.
Lol, first of all, I didn't say anything about others being inferior. Why even mention me personally. You are part of the Northern diaspora in the South actually. Those Adriatic Islands would have scored like Abruzzo Italianos or something like that. Don't know why you always defend Greater Woggistan. You score only 10% East Med, look light, Stears looks light and at least used to be a Western/Northern supremacist himself, your family is I2, I1, R1a.
I'm not a Nordicist, I'm a Steppist. And actually I don't like super pale skin, a peachy color is the best IMO. Some Northern Europeans are way too pale to my taste, like ghostly pale.
Duan
01-18-2022, 04:58 PM
I found one for you. She scores 36% Baltic in K13. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE6gFVGYP64
Leto,
You don't like Alma? :confused:
She is blonde, pale skin, and score 36.8% Baltic.
Yeah, her melody is straight from Tehran or Diyarbakir, but dont forget - 36.8% Baltic :cool:
I'm sorry guys, cannot watch videos at the moment. Of course Bosniak culture sucks big time, that wasn't a question. Adopted Islam 500 years at the behest of a foreign power and tied it to their ethnic group. Makes no sense to me. The reason why I find them fascinating is because people think they are some kind of partial Turks or whatever, because of Islam.
Leto,
You don't like Alma? :confused:
She is blonde, pale skin, and score 36.8% Baltic.
Yeah, her melody is straight from Tehran or Diyarbakir, but dont forget - 36.8% Baltic :cool:
Do you have her full results?
My personal favorite remains Vlatko Vukovic. :cool: He has a very balanced Baltic-North Atlantic ratio (no Germanic) and even scores a bit of Mongoloid which brings him even closer to us.
Lol, first of all, I didn't say anything about others being inferior. Why even mention me personally. You are part of the Northern diaspora in the South actually. Those Adriatic Islands would have scored like Abruzzo Italianos or something like that. Don't know why you always defend Greater Woggistan. You score only 10% East Med, look light, Stears looks light and at least used to be a Western/Northern supremacist himself, your family is I2, I1, R1a.
I'm not a Nordicist, I'm a Steppist. And actually I don't like super pale skin, a peachy color is the best IMO. Some Northern Europeans are way too pale to my taste, like ghostly pale.
Leto, we are Slavs who migrated in south, but we have our fair share of woggies just like northern looking people. Celine looks almost MENA, she is north Croat and probably heavily central Euro.
Even though in her case I would not exclude minor Gypsy admix, they are plenty in northern Croatia.
I can't denounce woggy Croats or southern shifted ones, some are more heavily Slavic, some are more heavily Med/Southern. I think both Slavs and Vlachs were equally worthy and interesting peoples / cultures
I feel allure of warm and ancient Med/Balkanic cultures as much as Slavic /northern ones.
You have perunovsin who is quite more northern than me in DNA and he looks proper Balkanic, so what? Nothing bad in that :p
You can celebrate your northerness/steppicness, but southern Slavs are quite different from Russians and we should embrace entire of our ancestry, as I do, Dušan does too btw.
I also think it's really cool to have such phenotype diversity like we have, so there is something for everyones taste.
So while I am very, very proud to be Slavic, I am equally proud and happy about our southern blood. We are both of this, and can't be separated from either.
Leto, we are Slavs who migrated in south, but we have our fair share of woggies just like northern looking people. Celine looks almost MENA, she is north Croat and probably heavily central Euro.
Even though in her case I would not exclude minor Gypsy admix, they are plenty in northern Croatia.
I can't denounce woggy Croats or southern shifted ones, some are more heavily Slavic, some are more heavily Med/Southern. I think both Slavs and Vlachs were equally worthy and interesting peoples / cultures
I feel allure of warm and ancient Med/Balkanic cultures as much as Slavic /northern ones.
You have perunovsin who is quite more northern than me in DNA and he looks proper Balkanic, so what? Nothing bad in that :p
You can celebrate your northerness/steppicness, but southern Slavs are quite different from Russians and we should embrace entire of our ancestry, as I do, Duan does too btw.
I also think it's really cool to have such phenotype diversity like we have, so there is something for everyones taste.
So while I am very, very proud to be Slavic, I am equally proud and happy about our southern blood. We are both of this, and can't be separated from either.
That's fine with me, I often just troll out of boredom. You guys sure have a better climate, food and older recorded history than Northeastern Europeans. The Baltic people are a joke for example, Christianized by the end of the Middle Ages, no written language until 1500, etc. :D
I think Varda has derailed the thread by the way.
That's fine with me, I often just troll out of boredom. You guys sure have a better climate, food and older recorded history than Northeastern Europeans. The Baltic people are a joke for example, Christianized by the end of the Middle Ages, no written language until 1500, etc. :D
I think Varda has derailed the thread by the way.
I guess. Just want to say, for you ofc it does make sense to celebrate your northerness/steppicness as Russians and other NE Euros are least woggy and most steppic/"Aryan" Europeans.
I would not mind to be born as Russian and I would take pride in these things too If I were you. You have every right to do that. And I find Russian people and culture beautiful.
Just we are different, so it doesn't make much sense for us. Many of us would be confused for Caucasians in Russia.
I doesn't matter if I would not, many south slavs would be. Cheers.
MoroLP
01-18-2022, 06:14 PM
3/5 are closer to Serbian than Croatian average, including cluster "Bosniak" (Bosniak national average).
Two of them are closer by 0.05 and 0.1 to Serbian than the Croatian national average. That's hardly "closer" to the Serbian average since right in the middle. It is irrelevant anyway because of more northern-shifted Central-Northwest Croats (mainly Kajkavian speaking Croats) strong influence on the Croatian national average. Croats have two subnational genetic averages - one represented by the "Croat_North" supraregional average of mainly Kajkavian Croats ("Croat2") - second represented by the "Croat_South_East_West" supraregional averages of Chakavian-Western Shtokavian speaking Croats. Bosniaks as mainly Western Shtokavian speakers are much closer to the Chakavian-Western Shtokavian Croats ("Croats1") than Eastern Shtokavian and Torlakian Serbs regional and national averages - 4/5 are closer to Croats than Serbs. This interestingly has a high positive correlation and probably confirmation of linguistic division of Western Southwestern to Western dialects (Kajkavian, Chakavian, Western Shtokavian) and Eastern dialects (Eastern Shtokavian and Torlakian):
Distance to: Bosniak
1.86225670 Serb_Republika_Srpska
1.93297698 Romanian_North-Moldavia
1.96423013 Croat1
2.31864184 Moldovan_Central
2.39589232 Moldovan
2.66368166 Moldovan_North
3.05452124 Bosniak_Southeast
3.12840215 Serb_Croatia
3.37555921 Bosniak_Krajina_East
3.49164718 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
3.77790947 Bosniak_Krajina_West
3.82602927 Serb
3.87900761 Croat
3.94924043 Romanian_Maramureș
3.94997468 Serb_West
4.16014423 Serb_Central
4.69772285 Serb_Vojvodina
5.42602986 Csángó-Ceangău
5.43825340 Serb_Herzegovina
5.51455347 Serb_South
5.69911397 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.92823751 Hungarian_Alföld
6.06584701 Romanian_Crișana
6.83059295 Romanian_South-Moldavia
6.92676692 Hungarian
Distance to: Bosniak_Central_Northeast
2.56573576 Moldovan_North
2.70994465 Bosniak_Krajina_East
3.34300763 Croat
3.49164718 Bosniak
3.58145222 Croat1
4.41583514 Ukrainian_Carpathians
4.65542694 Lemko_Poland
4.71554875 Hungarian_Alföld
5.01732997 Romanian_North-Moldavia
5.05541294 Serb_Republika_Srpska
5.19124263 Croat2
5.22025861 Moldovan_Central
5.45078893 Moldovan
5.72807996 Hungarian_North
5.79972413 Bosniak_Krajina_West
5.80510982 Hungarian
6.41528643 Serb_Croatia
6.43509907 Bosniak_Southeast
6.49907686 Csángó-Ceangău
6.68534965 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.97853136 Romanian_Maramureș
7.09046543 Serb_West
7.20150679 Serb
7.29778734 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.36645098 Slovene
Distance to: Bosniak_Krajina_East
2.70994465 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
3.04272904 Moldovan_North
3.37555921 Bosniak
3.39084060 Croat1
3.44831843 Croat
4.44429972 Serb_Republika_Srpska
4.77342644 Romanian_North-Moldavia
4.86943529 Hungarian_Alföld
5.03266331 Moldovan_Central
5.15306705 Moldovan
5.47413920 Lemko_Poland
5.52479864 Croat2
5.64528122 Csángó-Ceangău
5.85901016 Bosniak_Krajina_West
5.87509149 Serb_Croatia
5.88102032 Ukrainian_Carpathians
5.90470152 Bosniak_Southeast
5.98614233 Hungarian
6.19718484 Serb_West
6.25596515 Romanian_Maramureș
6.45578036 Serb
6.75151094 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.77865031 Hungarian_North
6.86925760 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.06075067 Serb_Central
Distance to: Bosniak_Krajina_West
2.69518088 Croat1
2.94844027 Serb_Croatia
3.04412549 Romanian_Maramureș
3.33235652 Romanian_North-Moldavia
3.35320742 Serb_Republika_Srpska
3.51247776 Serb_West
3.62531378 Bosniak_Southeast
3.77790947 Bosniak
3.78800739 Serb_Central
3.87586119 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
3.89575410 Serb
3.95073411 Croat
4.28277947 Serb_Vojvodina
4.77651547 Moldovan_Central
4.86928126 Moldovan
4.92058940 Csángó-Ceangău
4.93123717 Romanian_Crișana
5.15746062 Serb_Herzegovina
5.61398254 Hungarian_Alföld
5.62678416 Serb_South
5.79972413 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
5.85901016 Bosniak_Krajina_East
5.87712515 Moldovan_North
6.11152191 Hungarian
6.24355668 Romanian_South-Moldavia
Distance to: Bosniak_Southeast
1.01123687 Serb_Croatia
1.36370818 Serb_Central
1.40264037 Serb
1.92007812 Serb_Republika_Srpska
1.98083316 Serb_Vojvodina
2.10660865 Serb_West
2.43238566 Romanian_North-Moldavia
2.58497582 Serb_Herzegovina
2.59090718 Romanian_Maramureș
2.82248118 Moldovan
2.97916096 Serb_South
3.05452124 Bosniak
3.06049016 Moldovan_Central
3.54632204 Romanian_Crișana
3.60728430 Croat1
3.62531378 Bosniak_Krajina_West
4.28696863 Romanian_South-Moldavia
4.69428376 Romanian_Transylvania
4.69928718 Montenegrin
5.01743959 Romanian
5.20538183 Moldovan_South
5.51551448 Moldovan_North
5.52467194 Romanian_Banat
5.63827988 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.78741739 Croat
MoroLP
01-18-2022, 06:40 PM
Bosniak,24.88,32.47,15.40,8.91,13.89,1.77,0.79,0.5 1,0.57,0.47,0.26,0.02,0.06
Bosniak_Central_Northeast,25.73,35.04,14.18,8.58,1 2.19,1.26,0.98,0.31,0.62,0.60,0.25,0.16,0.10
Bosniak_Krajina_East,25.43,33.89,15.88,9.11,11.04, 2.17,0.44,0.41,0.17,0.92,0.30,0.18,0.08
Bosniak_Krajina_West,27.62,30.59,15.24,8.49,14.98, 0.74,0.11,0.45,0.27,0.73,0.64,0.12,0.02
Bosniak_Southeast,24.67,30.37,16.69,8.45,15.57,1.9 6,0.64,0.38,0.30,0.50,0.31,0.17,0.00
Something doesn't add up with the Bosniak national average - 3/4 regional averages have NA >25, one even >27 while national has <25?
These regional averages give Bosniak,25.86,32.47,15.50,8.66,13.45,1.53,0.54,0.3 9,0.34,0.69,0.38,0.16,0.05
The current average on Vahaduo also has NA >25 while Baltic 35 (really should be ~32).
Which Canton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina#Demographics)'s are included for each regional average?
Vbn can you send me or post here the Bosniak samples?
RogueState
01-18-2022, 10:32 PM
Two samples for instance from my region (Sandzak), we can see that we are indeed in between Albanian and Montenegrin, giving a parallel mix like Macedonians, and despite being in Serbia, we are far away from Serbs, but even far more away from Bosniaks (closer in fact to Italians, Greeks, Romanians, Bulgarians, Balkan Turks, ...), despite being labelled as such since 1993 (debunking the belief from average Bosniaks that we are them and the belief from average Serbs that we are converts from Old Raska; I'm not talking about people here more aware of population genetics; but about the mainstream people in the streets IRL).
Fetic,25.70,19.13,20.48,12.79,19.67,0.61,0.00,0.24 ,0.50,0.11,0.77,0.00,0.00
Distance to: Fetic
3.59591435 North_Macedonian_Central
4.41462343 North_Macedonian_East
5.23869258 North_Macedonian_North
5.56935364 North_Macedonian_South
5.91353532 Albanian_Gheg
6.08054274 Bulgarian_Northeastern
6.28747962 Aromanian
6.66809568 Bosniak_Sandak
6.69466952 Albanian
6.73074290 Bulgarian_Southwestern
6.91418108 Torbesh
7.06180572 Bulgarian_Southeastern
7.25854669 Bulgarian
7.26901644 Bulgarian_Southcentral
7.34328945 Romanian_Oltenia
7.41222639 Romanian_Muntenia
7.51389380 Romanian_Wallachia
7.71089489 Greek_Eastern_Macedonia
7.78617364 Serb_Montenegro
7.86805567 Bulgarian_Northcentral
7.89885593 Greek_Thessaly
8.02051744 Romanian_Dobruja
8.14278822 Gagauz
8.37970763 Romanian_Banat
8.43206380 Albanian_Tosk
8.47111563 Greek_Western_Macedonia
8.76466771 Turkish_Macedonia
8.88916757 Greek_Central_Macedonia
8.89538082 Greek_Northern_Thrace
8.96544477 Montenegrin
8.97492061 Romanian
9.03032668 Romanian_Transylvania
9.08276940 Bulgarian_Northwestern
9.36921555 Italian_Friuli
9.41038256 Pomak_Bulgaria
9.68242738 Romanian_South-Moldavia
9.83561386 Greek_Western
9.96119471 Greek_Western_Thrace
10.00811171 Moldovan_South
10.03807751 Italian_Veneto
10.10265807 Romanian_Crișana
10.47909347 Italian_Romagna
10.55340703 Italian_Emilia
10.86128445 Greek_Peloponnese
10.95328261 Pomak_Greece
11.02612353 Serb_Herzegovina
11.11058504 Turkish_Deliorman
11.13465312 Serb_South
11.13587895 Italian_Tuscany
11.30997790 Italian_Liguria
11.50531182 Serb_Vojvodina
11.55620180 Italian_Trentino
11.79754212 Italian_Umbria
12.12016502 Italian_Marche
12.19140681 Italian_Piedmont
12.24882852 Italian_Lazio
12.31627785 Serb
12.32293390 Serb_West
12.39919352 Serb_Central
12.45721076 Romanian_Maramureș
12.61917985 Greek_Eastern_Thrace
12.90902785 French_Provence
12.96230689 Greek_Central
13.05958269 Serb_Croatia
13.20278758 Italian_Lombardy
13.30913596 Greek_Athens
13.70481667 Greek_Istanbul
13.83753229 Turkish_Thrace
14.10751927 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
14.40043055 Serb_Republika_Srpska
14.51628740 Romanian_North-Moldavia
14.53355084 Turkish_Crete
14.74120416 Moldovan
14.92269078 Moldovan_Central
15.19995395 French_Corsica
15.28823731 Csángó-Ceangău
15.28989863 Greek_Andros
15.35264472 German_Bavarian_Swabia
15.48694934 Swiss_Italian
15.49590591 Croat_South
15.56235201 Italian_Abruzzo
15.60486142 Austrian_Lower_Austria
15.77540174 Greek_Cyclades
15.80448354 Swiss_French
16.10854432 Croat_West
16.13446621 Italian_Basilicata
16.15977104 Italian_Molise
16.58404957 Greek_Ionia
16.67972422 Italian_Apulia
16.83623473 Italian_Aosta_Valley
17.79698289 Croat
17.91079284 Italian_Sicily
17.97871519 Moldovan_North
18.62345296 Italian_Campania
18.85513723 Hungarian_Alföld
18.86266153 Swiss_German
18.90108727 Croat_East
19.02264177 Hungarian
19.19483785 Bosniak
Tutic,20.76,23.01,20.52,11.95,20.10,2.43,0.00,0.00 ,0.01,0.44,0.78,0.00,0.00
Distance to: Tutic
2.84051052 North_Macedonian_North
2.91262768 Bulgarian_Southcentral
3.28851030 Bulgarian_Southeastern
3.36353980 Gagauz
3.37189857 Bulgarian
3.72162599 Bulgarian_Northcentral
3.89805079 Bulgarian_Northeastern
4.02858536 Bulgarian_Southwestern
4.13337634 Aromanian
4.15476834 Pomak_Bulgaria
4.21808013 North_Macedonian_Central
4.36601649 North_Macedonian_South
4.41992081 Romanian_Muntenia
4.52422369 Romanian_Wallachia
4.59017429 Romanian_Dobruja
4.81554774 Bosniak_Sandak
4.92602274 Romanian_Oltenia
5.08288304 Bulgarian_Northwestern
5.35204634 Greek_Northern_Thrace
5.35655673 North_Macedonian_East
5.59250391 Serb_Montenegro
5.98340204 Albanian_Gheg
6.07168840 Pomak_Greece
6.24026442 Romanian_Banat
6.26797415 Moldovan_South
6.57516540 Montenegrin
6.59974242 Romanian
6.90008696 Albanian
6.95829721 Torbesh
7.00057141 Romanian_Transylvania
7.39023004 Greek_Central_Macedonia
7.41801860 Romanian_South-Moldavia
7.52991368 Turkish_Macedonia
7.67009941 Greek_Thessaly
7.98070799 Greek_Eastern_Macedonia
8.16431871 Serb_South
8.42565131 Serb_Herzegovina
8.50066468 Romanian_Crișana
8.80269845 Albanian_Tosk
8.90549269 Greek_Western_Macedonia
8.91679875 Turkish_Deliorman
9.28624790 Serb_Vojvodina
9.33086813 Greek_Western
10.01356580 Serb
10.04392354 Serb_Central
10.17356870 Greek_Eastern_Thrace
10.23962402 Greek_Peloponnese
10.55368656 Serb_West
10.95612614 Serb_Croatia
11.03628108 Romanian_Maramureș
11.83573825 Moldovan
11.91333706 Greek_Western_Thrace
11.94172098 Turkish_Thrace
12.07874166 Serb_Republika_Srpska
12.16626894 Moldovan_Central
12.32415514 Romanian_North-Moldavia
12.70662032 Greek_Central
13.25697175 Greek_Athens
13.58782543 Greek_Istanbul
13.67681615 Croat_South
13.68761849 Turkish_Crete
13.91071889 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
14.00605583 Italian_Friuli
14.17094210 Italian_Romagna
14.71355837 Csángó-Ceangău
15.12774273 Italian_Veneto
15.12912423 Croat_West
15.15588335 Italian_Tuscany
15.22266074 Italian_Emilia
15.29900650 Moldovan_North
15.62406477 Italian_Umbria
15.62588238 Italian_Marche
15.70944302 Italian_Lazio
15.89818229 Italian_Trentino
16.08272365 Italian_Liguria
16.22932531 Greek_Andros
16.38179783 Greek_Cyclades
16.39317236 Greek_Ionia
16.46857614 Croat
16.82517162 Italian_Piedmont
16.93168627 Bosniak
MoroLP
01-18-2022, 10:42 PM
Two samples for instance from my region (Sandzak), we can see that we are indeed in between Albanian and Montenegrin, giving a parallel mix like Macedonians, and despite being in Serbia, we are far away to Serbs, but even far away more from Bosniaks (closer in fact to Italians, Greeks, Romanians, Bulgarians, Balkan Turks, ...), despite being labelled as such since 1993 (debunking the belief from average Bosniaks that we are them and the belief from average Serbs that we are converts from Old Raska; I'm not talking about people here more aware of population genetics; but about the mainstream people in the streets IRL).
Fetic,25.70,19.13,20.48,12.79,19.67,0.61,0.00,0.24 ,0.50,0.11,0.77,0.00,0.00
Distance to: Fetic
3.59591435 North_Macedonian_Central
4.41462343 North_Macedonian_East
5.23869258 North_Macedonian_North
5.56935364 North_Macedonian_South
5.91353532 Albanian_Gheg
6.08054274 Bulgarian_Northeastern
6.28747962 Aromanian
6.66809568 Bosniak_Sandžak
6.69466952 Albanian
6.73074290 Bulgarian_Southwestern
6.91418108 Torbesh
7.06180572 Bulgarian_Southeastern
7.25854669 Bulgarian
7.26901644 Bulgarian_Southcentral
7.34328945 Romanian_Oltenia
7.41222639 Romanian_Muntenia
7.51389380 Romanian_Wallachia
7.71089489 Greek_Eastern_Macedonia
7.78617364 Serb_Montenegro
7.86805567 Bulgarian_Northcentral
7.89885593 Greek_Thessaly
8.02051744 Romanian_Dobruja
8.14278822 Gagauz
8.37970763 Romanian_Banat
8.43206380 Albanian_Tosk
8.47111563 Greek_Western_Macedonia
8.76466771 Turkish_Macedonia
8.88916757 Greek_Central_Macedonia
8.89538082 Greek_Northern_Thrace
8.96544477 Montenegrin
8.97492061 Romanian
9.03032668 Romanian_Transylvania
9.08276940 Bulgarian_Northwestern
9.36921555 Italian_Friuli
9.41038256 Pomak_Bulgaria
9.68242738 Romanian_South-Moldavia
9.83561386 Greek_Western
9.96119471 Greek_Western_Thrace
10.00811171 Moldovan_South
10.03807751 Italian_Veneto
10.10265807 Romanian_Crișana
10.47909347 Italian_Romagna
10.55340703 Italian_Emilia
10.86128445 Greek_Peloponnese
10.95328261 Pomak_Greece
11.02612353 Serb_Herzegovina
11.11058504 Turkish_Deliorman
11.13465312 Serb_South
11.13587895 Italian_Tuscany
11.30997790 Italian_Liguria
11.50531182 Serb_Vojvodina
11.55620180 Italian_Trentino
11.79754212 Italian_Umbria
12.12016502 Italian_Marche
12.19140681 Italian_Piedmont
12.24882852 Italian_Lazio
12.31627785 Serb
12.32293390 Serb_West
12.39919352 Serb_Central
12.45721076 Romanian_Maramureș
12.61917985 Greek_Eastern_Thrace
12.90902785 French_Provence
12.96230689 Greek_Central
13.05958269 Serb_Croatia
13.20278758 Italian_Lombardy
13.30913596 Greek_Athens
13.70481667 Greek_Istanbul
13.83753229 Turkish_Thrace
14.10751927 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
14.40043055 Serb_Republika_Srpska
14.51628740 Romanian_North-Moldavia
14.53355084 Turkish_Crete
14.74120416 Moldovan
14.92269078 Moldovan_Central
15.19995395 French_Corsica
15.28823731 Csángó-Ceangău
15.28989863 Greek_Andros
15.35264472 German_Bavarian_Swabia
15.48694934 Swiss_Italian
15.49590591 Croat_South
15.56235201 Italian_Abruzzo
15.60486142 Austrian_Lower_Austria
15.77540174 Greek_Cyclades
15.80448354 Swiss_French
16.10854432 Croat_West
16.13446621 Italian_Basilicata
16.15977104 Italian_Molise
16.58404957 Greek_Ionia
16.67972422 Italian_Apulia
16.83623473 Italian_Aosta_Valley
17.79698289 Croat
17.91079284 Italian_Sicily
17.97871519 Moldovan_North
18.62345296 Italian_Campania
18.85513723 Hungarian_Alföld
18.86266153 Swiss_German
18.90108727 Croat_East
19.02264177 Hungarian
19.19483785 Bosniak
Tutic,20.76,23.01,20.52,11.95,20.10,2.43,0.00,0.00 ,0.01,0.44,0.78,0.00,0.00
Distance to: Tutic
2.84051052 North_Macedonian_North
2.91262768 Bulgarian_Southcentral
3.28851030 Bulgarian_Southeastern
3.36353980 Gagauz
3.37189857 Bulgarian
3.72162599 Bulgarian_Northcentral
3.89805079 Bulgarian_Northeastern
4.02858536 Bulgarian_Southwestern
4.13337634 Aromanian
4.15476834 Pomak_Bulgaria
4.21808013 North_Macedonian_Central
4.36601649 North_Macedonian_South
4.41992081 Romanian_Muntenia
4.52422369 Romanian_Wallachia
4.59017429 Romanian_Dobruja
4.81554774 Bosniak_Sandžak
4.92602274 Romanian_Oltenia
5.08288304 Bulgarian_Northwestern
5.35204634 Greek_Northern_Thrace
5.35655673 North_Macedonian_East
5.59250391 Serb_Montenegro
5.98340204 Albanian_Gheg
6.07168840 Pomak_Greece
6.24026442 Romanian_Banat
6.26797415 Moldovan_South
6.57516540 Montenegrin
6.59974242 Romanian
6.90008696 Albanian
6.95829721 Torbesh
7.00057141 Romanian_Transylvania
7.39023004 Greek_Central_Macedonia
7.41801860 Romanian_South-Moldavia
7.52991368 Turkish_Macedonia
7.67009941 Greek_Thessaly
7.98070799 Greek_Eastern_Macedonia
8.16431871 Serb_South
8.42565131 Serb_Herzegovina
8.50066468 Romanian_Crișana
8.80269845 Albanian_Tosk
8.90549269 Greek_Western_Macedonia
8.91679875 Turkish_Deliorman
9.28624790 Serb_Vojvodina
9.33086813 Greek_Western
10.01356580 Serb
10.04392354 Serb_Central
10.17356870 Greek_Eastern_Thrace
10.23962402 Greek_Peloponnese
10.55368656 Serb_West
10.95612614 Serb_Croatia
11.03628108 Romanian_Maramureș
11.83573825 Moldovan
11.91333706 Greek_Western_Thrace
11.94172098 Turkish_Thrace
12.07874166 Serb_Republika_Srpska
12.16626894 Moldovan_Central
12.32415514 Romanian_North-Moldavia
12.70662032 Greek_Central
13.25697175 Greek_Athens
13.58782543 Greek_Istanbul
13.67681615 Croat_South
13.68761849 Turkish_Crete
13.91071889 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
14.00605583 Italian_Friuli
14.17094210 Italian_Romagna
14.71355837 Csángó-Ceangău
15.12774273 Italian_Veneto
15.12912423 Croat_West
15.15588335 Italian_Tuscany
15.22266074 Italian_Emilia
15.29900650 Moldovan_North
15.62406477 Italian_Umbria
15.62588238 Italian_Marche
15.70944302 Italian_Lazio
15.89818229 Italian_Trentino
16.08272365 Italian_Liguria
16.22932531 Greek_Andros
16.38179783 Greek_Cyclades
16.39317236 Greek_Ionia
16.46857614 Croat
16.82517162 Italian_Piedmont
16.93168627 Bosniak
Yes, Sandžak Muslims shouldn't be added to the Bosniak national average.
The farthest regional and supraregional Croatian averages have a distance of 8.9 (Herzegovina-Northwest) and 6.0 (South-North) while from the Croatian national average 2.7 and 3.2.
The farthest regional Serbian averages have a distance of 3.9 (Herzegovina-Republika Srpska), 4.28 (South-Republika Srpska), or 7.1 (Montenegro-Republika Srpska) while from the Serbian national average of 1.7-2.3-4.9
"Bosniak_Sandžak" average has the farthest distance of staggering 13.2 from "Bosniak_Central_Northeast" and closest distance of only 7.06 from "Bosniak_Southeast" while from the Bosniak "old-new" national average of 9.8 - to "Albanian Gheg" is 8.89 and 9.84 to "Albanian". They are closer to Gheg Albanians than to Bosniaks from BiH. They are obviously not part of the same (Bosniak) ethnic population, and as can be read, Slavicized Albanians. Sandžak Muslims until modern times mainly ethnically identified as Albanians and some still are to this day. Y-DNA also confirmed their mostly Albanian-Montenegrin ancestry.
CommonSense
01-18-2022, 10:47 PM
Two samples for instance from my region (Sandzak), we can see that we are indeed in between Albanian and Montenegrin, giving a parallel mix like Macedonians, and despite being in Serbia, we are far away from Serbs, but even far more away from Bosniaks (closer in fact to Italians, Greeks, Romanians, Bulgarians, Balkan Turks, ...), despite being labelled as such since 1993 (debunking the belief from average Bosniaks that we are them and the belief from average Serbs that we are converts from Old Raska; I'm not talking about people here more aware of population genetics; but about the mainstream people in the streets IRL).
Fetic,25.70,19.13,20.48,12.79,19.67,0.61,0.00,0.24 ,0.50,0.11,0.77,0.00,0.00
Distance to: Fetic
3.59591435 North_Macedonian_Central
4.41462343 North_Macedonian_East
5.23869258 North_Macedonian_North
5.56935364 North_Macedonian_South
5.91353532 Albanian_Gheg
6.08054274 Bulgarian_Northeastern
6.28747962 Aromanian
6.66809568 Bosniak_Sandžak
6.69466952 Albanian
6.73074290 Bulgarian_Southwestern
6.91418108 Torbesh
7.06180572 Bulgarian_Southeastern
7.25854669 Bulgarian
7.26901644 Bulgarian_Southcentral
7.34328945 Romanian_Oltenia
7.41222639 Romanian_Muntenia
7.51389380 Romanian_Wallachia
7.71089489 Greek_Eastern_Macedonia
7.78617364 Serb_Montenegro
7.86805567 Bulgarian_Northcentral
7.89885593 Greek_Thessaly
8.02051744 Romanian_Dobruja
8.14278822 Gagauz
8.37970763 Romanian_Banat
8.43206380 Albanian_Tosk
8.47111563 Greek_Western_Macedonia
8.76466771 Turkish_Macedonia
8.88916757 Greek_Central_Macedonia
8.89538082 Greek_Northern_Thrace
8.96544477 Montenegrin
8.97492061 Romanian
9.03032668 Romanian_Transylvania
9.08276940 Bulgarian_Northwestern
9.36921555 Italian_Friuli
9.41038256 Pomak_Bulgaria
9.68242738 Romanian_South-Moldavia
9.83561386 Greek_Western
9.96119471 Greek_Western_Thrace
10.00811171 Moldovan_South
10.03807751 Italian_Veneto
10.10265807 Romanian_Crișana
10.47909347 Italian_Romagna
10.55340703 Italian_Emilia
10.86128445 Greek_Peloponnese
10.95328261 Pomak_Greece
11.02612353 Serb_Herzegovina
11.11058504 Turkish_Deliorman
11.13465312 Serb_South
11.13587895 Italian_Tuscany
11.30997790 Italian_Liguria
11.50531182 Serb_Vojvodina
11.55620180 Italian_Trentino
11.79754212 Italian_Umbria
12.12016502 Italian_Marche
12.19140681 Italian_Piedmont
12.24882852 Italian_Lazio
12.31627785 Serb
12.32293390 Serb_West
12.39919352 Serb_Central
12.45721076 Romanian_Maramureș
12.61917985 Greek_Eastern_Thrace
12.90902785 French_Provence
12.96230689 Greek_Central
13.05958269 Serb_Croatia
13.20278758 Italian_Lombardy
13.30913596 Greek_Athens
13.70481667 Greek_Istanbul
13.83753229 Turkish_Thrace
14.10751927 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
14.40043055 Serb_Republika_Srpska
14.51628740 Romanian_North-Moldavia
14.53355084 Turkish_Crete
14.74120416 Moldovan
14.92269078 Moldovan_Central
15.19995395 French_Corsica
15.28823731 Csángó-Ceangău
15.28989863 Greek_Andros
15.35264472 German_Bavarian_Swabia
15.48694934 Swiss_Italian
15.49590591 Croat_South
15.56235201 Italian_Abruzzo
15.60486142 Austrian_Lower_Austria
15.77540174 Greek_Cyclades
15.80448354 Swiss_French
16.10854432 Croat_West
16.13446621 Italian_Basilicata
16.15977104 Italian_Molise
16.58404957 Greek_Ionia
16.67972422 Italian_Apulia
16.83623473 Italian_Aosta_Valley
17.79698289 Croat
17.91079284 Italian_Sicily
17.97871519 Moldovan_North
18.62345296 Italian_Campania
18.85513723 Hungarian_Alföld
18.86266153 Swiss_German
18.90108727 Croat_East
19.02264177 Hungarian
19.19483785 Bosniak
Tutic,20.76,23.01,20.52,11.95,20.10,2.43,0.00,0.00 ,0.01,0.44,0.78,0.00,0.00
Distance to: Tutic
2.84051052 North_Macedonian_North
2.91262768 Bulgarian_Southcentral
3.28851030 Bulgarian_Southeastern
3.36353980 Gagauz
3.37189857 Bulgarian
3.72162599 Bulgarian_Northcentral
3.89805079 Bulgarian_Northeastern
4.02858536 Bulgarian_Southwestern
4.13337634 Aromanian
4.15476834 Pomak_Bulgaria
4.21808013 North_Macedonian_Central
4.36601649 North_Macedonian_South
4.41992081 Romanian_Muntenia
4.52422369 Romanian_Wallachia
4.59017429 Romanian_Dobruja
4.81554774 Bosniak_Sandžak
4.92602274 Romanian_Oltenia
5.08288304 Bulgarian_Northwestern
5.35204634 Greek_Northern_Thrace
5.35655673 North_Macedonian_East
5.59250391 Serb_Montenegro
5.98340204 Albanian_Gheg
6.07168840 Pomak_Greece
6.24026442 Romanian_Banat
6.26797415 Moldovan_South
6.57516540 Montenegrin
6.59974242 Romanian
6.90008696 Albanian
6.95829721 Torbesh
7.00057141 Romanian_Transylvania
7.39023004 Greek_Central_Macedonia
7.41801860 Romanian_South-Moldavia
7.52991368 Turkish_Macedonia
7.67009941 Greek_Thessaly
7.98070799 Greek_Eastern_Macedonia
8.16431871 Serb_South
8.42565131 Serb_Herzegovina
8.50066468 Romanian_Crișana
8.80269845 Albanian_Tosk
8.90549269 Greek_Western_Macedonia
8.91679875 Turkish_Deliorman
9.28624790 Serb_Vojvodina
9.33086813 Greek_Western
10.01356580 Serb
10.04392354 Serb_Central
10.17356870 Greek_Eastern_Thrace
10.23962402 Greek_Peloponnese
10.55368656 Serb_West
10.95612614 Serb_Croatia
11.03628108 Romanian_Maramureș
11.83573825 Moldovan
11.91333706 Greek_Western_Thrace
11.94172098 Turkish_Thrace
12.07874166 Serb_Republika_Srpska
12.16626894 Moldovan_Central
12.32415514 Romanian_North-Moldavia
12.70662032 Greek_Central
13.25697175 Greek_Athens
13.58782543 Greek_Istanbul
13.67681615 Croat_South
13.68761849 Turkish_Crete
13.91071889 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
14.00605583 Italian_Friuli
14.17094210 Italian_Romagna
14.71355837 Csángó-Ceangău
15.12774273 Italian_Veneto
15.12912423 Croat_West
15.15588335 Italian_Tuscany
15.22266074 Italian_Emilia
15.29900650 Moldovan_North
15.62406477 Italian_Umbria
15.62588238 Italian_Marche
15.70944302 Italian_Lazio
15.89818229 Italian_Trentino
16.08272365 Italian_Liguria
16.22932531 Greek_Andros
16.38179783 Greek_Cyclades
16.39317236 Greek_Ionia
16.46857614 Croat
16.82517162 Italian_Piedmont
16.93168627 Bosniak
These two results are only typical for the very east of the region.
MoroLP
01-18-2022, 10:51 PM
These two results are only typical for the very east of the region.
What would be typical Western Bosniak Sandžak sample like?
RogueState
01-18-2022, 10:52 PM
^ Yup but that's where the vast majority lives and are absolute majority of citizens (NP-TT-SJ in Serbia; Rozaje-Plav-Gusinje in Montenegro); the western towns are where Muslims are a minority compared to Orthodox Serbs/Montenegrins and smaller numerous (Priboj, Prijepolje, Nova Varos, Pljevlja, and even towns like Berane, Bijelo Polje)
RogueState
01-18-2022, 10:54 PM
What would be typical Western Bosniak Sandžak sample like?
More Montenegrin-Herzegovian, still different than mainstream Bosniak
vbnetkhio
01-18-2022, 11:01 PM
What would be typical Western Bosniak Sandžak sample like?
I'm aware of these 2 results.
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.74
2 North_Atlantic 21.71
3 West_Med 16.75
4 East_Med 15.5
5 West_Asian 12.79
6 Red_Sea 1.79
7 Amerindian 0.91
8 East_Asian 0.57
9 Siberian 0.54
10 Sub-Saharan 0.27
11 Northeast_African 0.25
12 Oceanian 0.17
1 North_Atlantic 30,50
2 Baltic 26,38
3 West_Med 16,14
4 East_Med 13,60
5 West_Asian 10,35
6 Red_Sea 1,32
7 South_Asian 1,18
CommonSense
01-18-2022, 11:05 PM
What would be typical Western Bosniak Sandžak sample like?
This guy is from the 'Zlatibor district':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za13VUnRCGc
And here's a memeber of the Bosniak (Sandžakian) diaspora in Turkey. He's actually from the eastern part of the region, proving that many of them can likewise have results identical to Serbo-Montenegrins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCnmG1YfdIk
EDIT: the gedmatch results are in the comment sections of the respective videos.
MoroLP
01-18-2022, 11:05 PM
I'm aware of these 2 results.
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.74
2 North_Atlantic 21.71
3 West_Med 16.75
4 East_Med 15.5
5 West_Asian 12.79
6 Red_Sea 1.79
7 Amerindian 0.91
8 East_Asian 0.57
9 Siberian 0.54
10 Sub-Saharan 0.27
11 Northeast_African 0.25
12 Oceanian 0.17
1 North_Atlantic 30,50
2 Baltic 26,38
3 West_Med 16,14
4 East_Med 13,60
5 West_Asian 10,35
6 Red_Sea 1,32
7 South_Asian 1,18
Only two or exist more samples?
On how many samples is based Bosniak Sandžak average?
vbnetkhio
01-18-2022, 11:09 PM
Only two or exist more samples?
On how many samples is based Bosniak Sandžak average?
These are the only ones I know of. Now I see CommonSense posted another one. the average was made by user Mingle from this forum, I think it's a solid number, something like 20.
MoroLP
01-18-2022, 11:14 PM
These are the only ones I know of. Now I see CommonSense posted another one. the average was made by user Mingle from this forum, I think it's a solid number, something like 20.
Yeah, solid enough. Does it mean some 18 samples are from Eastern Sandžak or not?
vbnetkhio
01-18-2022, 11:23 PM
Yeah, solid enough. Does it mean some 18 samples are from Eastern Sandžak or not?
Yes, I think so.
Here's a western Sandžak average, from those 3 samples
West_Sandzak,24.70,27.39,16.94,11.11,15.75,1.89,0. 39,0.19,0.18,0.65,0.23,0.08,0.30
Distance to: West_Sandzak
2.11704983 Romanian_Crișana
2.33880311 Romanian_South-Moldavia
2.37957979 Romanian_Transylvania
2.44787663 Serb_South
2.55581689 Serb_Vojvodina
2.58321505 Romanian
2.59684424 Serb_Herzegovina
2.68082077 Montenegrin
2.81874085 Romanian_Banat
2.93954078 Serb
3.19175500 Serb_West
3.22166106 Romanian_Maramureș
3.44756436 Serb_Montenegro
3.50482525 Serb_Central
3.62269237 Moldovan_South
3.67683288 Serb_Croatia
4.00051247 Romanian_Oltenia
4.36576454 Bosniak_Sandžak
MoroLP
01-18-2022, 11:46 PM
Ah, in other words, in Yugoslavian times there were c. 100,000 while 2002-2003 c. 189,000 people out of which the vast majority lives in Eastern Sandžak. There's no need for Western Sandžak average since represents only few thousand people.
RogueState
01-21-2022, 01:31 PM
Sefer Halilović also one of the Bosniak war leaders - Sandakian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefer_Halilović
Fahrudin Radončić present day Bosniak taykun and politician - Sandakian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrudin_Radončić
xD
https://youtu.be/MLXmhmCZkdo
https://youtu.be/2tim0_dCByM
Since you put some ethno folk customs, what's interesting also, is that Bosnia Bosniaks don't celebrate much male circumcision (they practice it just like a medical obligation); while us, it's after wedding, the second most important feast in social life (of a man of course).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-SEdrKOX-o
Albanians and Turks also celebrate it, with the young boy dressed as an Ottoman Sultan :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvNnQijFXmk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7d_S02P-Q8
A Bosnian (American) artist. This is her (https://scontent-hel3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/164079330_2794406900887990_7459953648599230702_n.j pg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=7aed08&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_eui2=AeFK3-6ppn5XSyRIO3E3nzjYSYmv1rOpzylJia_Ws6nPKenzk9MSexWt EnnXK-stlMQoKMbmEo5XX2Spolwe1GHW&_nc_ohc=cmUJOa0tNLMAX9LQfLN&tn=G7AvShtVoWm5sxQu&_nc_ht=scontent-hel3-1.xx&oh=00_AT9uTXUYMKRPvN9MEkiYYgxkFO8gA22EKCdPE-3gMjETYQ&oe=6213196F)
North_Atlantic 26 Pct
Baltic 30.42 Pct
West_Med 17.55 Pct
West_Asian 9.1 Pct
East_Med 14.07 Pct
Red_Sea 1.65 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.17 Pct
Amerindian 0.6 Pct
Oceanian 0.44 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Distance to: F
1.72339781 Serb_West
1.89317194 Serb_Croatia
1.97514556 Serb_Republika_Srpska
2.12668757 Croat_Dalmatia
2.29588763 Serb
2.43028805 Bosniak_Southeast
2.56267438 Romanian_Maramureş
2.99332591 Serb_Central
3.05391552 Serb_Vojvodina
3.08197988 Romanian_North-Moldavia
3.09386490 Croat_Istria
3.10353025 Croat_Herzegovina
3.12795460 Croat_Bosnia
3.21154169 Bosniak_Krajina_West
3.35556255 Bosniak
3.68260777 Serb_Herzegovina
3.69304752 Croat_Lika
3.77699616 Croat_Slavonia
3.96952138 Moldovan
4.08892406 Moldovan_Central
Target: F
Distance: 0.8330% / 0.83304810 | ADC: 0.25x RC
67.5 Croat_Dalmatia
19.2 Serb_Herzegovina
9.8 Bosniak_Krajina_East
2.8 Sardinian
0.7 Serb_West
Target: F
Distance: 1.1440% / 1.14396829 | ADC: 0.5x RC
58.2 Serb_West
41.8 Croat_Dalmatia
A Bosnian (American) artist. This is her
North_Atlantic 26 Pct
Baltic 30.42 Pct
West_Med 17.55 Pct
West_Asian 9.1 Pct
East_Med 14.07 Pct
Red_Sea 1.65 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.17 Pct
Amerindian 0.6 Pct
Oceanian 0.44 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Distance to: F
1.72339781 Serb_West
1.89317194 Serb_Croatia
1.97514556 Serb_Republika_Srpska
2.12668757 Croat_Dalmatia
2.29588763 Serb
2.43028805 Bosniak_Southeast
2.56267438 Romanian_Maramureş
2.99332591 Serb_Central
3.05391552 Serb_Vojvodina
3.08197988 Romanian_North-Moldavia
3.09386490 Croat_Istria
3.10353025 Croat_Herzegovina
3.12795460 Croat_Bosnia
3.21154169 Bosniak_Krajina_West
3.35556255 Bosniak
3.68260777 Serb_Herzegovina
3.69304752 Croat_Lika
3.77699616 Croat_Slavonia
3.96952138 Moldovan
4.08892406 Moldovan_Central
Target: F
Distance: 0.8330% / 0.83304810 | ADC: 0.25x RC
67.5 Croat_Dalmatia
19.2 Serb_Herzegovina
9.8 Bosniak_Krajina_East
2.8 Sardinian
0.7 Serb_West
Target: F
Distance: 1.1440% / 1.14396829 | ADC: 0.5x RC
58.2 Serb_West
41.8 Croat_Dalmatia
Is she Muslim? Or from Serbian or Croatian minorities?
Is she Muslim? Or from Serbian or Croatian minorities?
Serbs and Croats are not minorities in BiH, but it's constituent people.
Marsa
01-23-2022, 03:21 PM
A Bosnian (American) artist. This is her (https://scontent-hel3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/164079330_2794406900887990_7459953648599230702_n.j pg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=7aed08&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_eui2=AeFK3-6ppn5XSyRIO3E3nzjYSYmv1rOpzylJia_Ws6nPKenzk9MSexWt EnnXK-stlMQoKMbmEo5XX2Spolwe1GHW&_nc_ohc=cmUJOa0tNLMAX9LQfLN&tn=G7AvShtVoWm5sxQu&_nc_ht=scontent-hel3-1.xx&oh=00_AT9uTXUYMKRPvN9MEkiYYgxkFO8gA22EKCdPE-3gMjETYQ&oe=6213196F)
North_Atlantic 26 Pct
Baltic 30.42 Pct
West_Med 17.55 Pct
West_Asian 9.1 Pct
East_Med 14.07 Pct
Red_Sea 1.65 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.17 Pct
Amerindian 0.6 Pct
Oceanian 0.44 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Distance to: F
1.72339781 Serb_West
1.89317194 Serb_Croatia
1.97514556 Serb_Republika_Srpska
2.12668757 Croat_Dalmatia
2.29588763 Serb
2.43028805 Bosniak_Southeast
2.56267438 Romanian_Maramureş
2.99332591 Serb_Central
3.05391552 Serb_Vojvodina
3.08197988 Romanian_North-Moldavia
3.09386490 Croat_Istria
3.10353025 Croat_Herzegovina
3.12795460 Croat_Bosnia
3.21154169 Bosniak_Krajina_West
3.35556255 Bosniak
3.68260777 Serb_Herzegovina
3.69304752 Croat_Lika
3.77699616 Croat_Slavonia
3.96952138 Moldovan
4.08892406 Moldovan_Central
Target: F
Distance: 0.8330% / 0.83304810 | ADC: 0.25x RC
67.5 Croat_Dalmatia
19.2 Serb_Herzegovina
9.8 Bosniak_Krajina_East
2.8 Sardinian
0.7 Serb_West
Target: F
Distance: 1.1440% / 1.14396829 | ADC: 0.5x RC
58.2 Serb_West
41.8 Croat_Dalmatia
I posted this result. Her family is from Sarajevo, but she didn't specify anything further.
RogueState
01-23-2022, 03:48 PM
She got a very Norid Polish look
RogueState
01-23-2022, 03:59 PM
double
Bosniak
North_Atlantic 22.57 Pct
Baltic 34.73 Pct
West_Med 17.04 Pct
West_Asian 5.27 Pct
East_Med 12.79 Pct
Red_Sea 2.16 Pct
South_Asian 4.29 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.59 Pct
Oceanian 0.52 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Distance to: M.D.
6.22731885 Croat_Herzegovina
6.33593718 Croat_Slavonia
6.37698989 Bosniak
6.47553859 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
6.57682294 Bosniak_Krajina_East
6.60560368 Moldovan_North
6.81749954 Croat_Bosnia
7.06649843 Serb_Republika_Srpska
7.09672460 Moldovan_Central
7.12671734 Moldovan
7.37224525 Croat_Lika
7.37528305 Croat_Dalmatia
7.42030323 Bosniak_Southeast
7.44301014 Romanian_North-Moldavia
7.59575539 Croat
7.69203484 Croat_Istria
7.98933664 Serb_Croatia
8.19409544 Ukrainian_Carpathians
8.34696951 Serb
8.54132308 Serb_Central
Distance to: M.D.
4.11866710 64.00% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 36.00% Jew_Algeria
4.81704632 76.60% German_Brandenburg_Outlier(Beeskow) + 23.40% Jew_Algeria
4.83956935 42.40% Latvian + 57.60% Torbesh
4.94521449 58.40% Albanian_Gheg + 41.60% Latvian
4.94816917 64.40% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 35.60% Jew_Italy
4.98387187 49.00% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 51.00% Greek_Central_Macedonia
5.02159722 57.40% Albanian + 42.60% Latvian
5.09316899 51.80% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 48.20% Greek_Peloponnese
5.12214948 51.20% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 48.80% Greek_Eastern_Thrace
5.13355908 16.60% Sardinian + 83.40% Ukrainian_Moldova
5.14190730 78.40% German_Brandenburg_Outlier(Beeskow) + 21.60% Jew_Libya
5.14922572 53.00% Belarusian_Minsk + 47.00% Torbesh
5.14961975 44.60% Lithuanian_emaitija + 55.40% Torbesh
5.16850026 27.40% Jew_Algeria + 72.60% Polish_Mazovia
5.17025814 21.60% Jew_Algeria + 78.40% Ukrainian_South
5.18395301 76.80% German_Brandenburg_Outlier(Beeskow) + 23.20% Jew_Morroco
5.20195133 47.80% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 52.20% Torbesh
5.20201479 49.00% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 51.00% Greek_Thessaly
5.20896077 47.40% Lithuanian_Auktaitija + 52.60% Torbesh
5.22268388 34.80% Torbesh + 65.20% Ukrainian_South
Target: M.D.
Distance: 2.3642% / 2.36415507 | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.2 Croat_Herzegovina
28.1 Latvian
10.5 Sardinian
5.0 Moroccan
4.2 Chamar
Target: M.D.
Distance: 1.0950% / 1.09495426 | R4P
53.7 Latvian
18.2 Sardinian
15.8 Jew_Moldova
12.3 Roma_Balkans
vbnetkhio
03-23-2022, 11:28 AM
new Bosniak averages, more samples added:
Bosniak_Central,26.10,33.87,14.28,8.71,12.17,1.25, 2.04,0.25,0.43,0.73,0.05,0.10,0.00
Bosniak_Krajina_East,25.42,33.26,15.78,8.81,12.06, 1.94,0.54,0.43,0.22,0.93,0.36,0.15,0.11
Bosniak_Krajina_West,26.69,31.26,15.12,8.56,15.05, 0.86,0.47,0.54,0.23,0.64,0.37,0.20,0.03
Bosniak_Northeast,25.74,35.57,13.91,9.65,11.05,1.5 7,0.70,0.22,0.63,0.21,0.32,0.15,0.30
Bosniak_Southeast,25.02,31.16,15.91,7.77,16.02,1.3 1,0.97,0.36,0.45,0.56,0.26,0.14,0.06
Bosniak_Sandzak_East,24.06,24.17,19.27,10.64,18.34 ,1.68,0.20,0.36,0.37,0.53,0.38,0.00,0.01
Bosniak_Sandzak_West,25.93,27.82,16.78,10.46,14.89 ,2.04,0.36,0.24,0.11,0.55,0.39,0.04,0.27
model for Sandzak Bosniaks
Target: Bosniak_Sandzak_East
Distance: 0.6565% / 0.65648024
38.1 Serb_SouthwestSerbia
33.7 Albanian_Kosovo
28.2 Montenegro_SouthEast
Small regions sheet has been updated, thanks for sharing these.
vbnetkhio
03-23-2022, 11:39 AM
Small regions sheet has been updated, thanks for sharing these.
you can make a weighed Bosniak average if you want.
RogueState
04-28-2022, 05:36 AM
From my region (Sandzak)
Nurovic,24.27,20.78,18.62,11.10,21.77,0.96,0.00,2. 04,0.00,0.00,0.45,0.00,0.00
https://bosnjackidnk.com/porijeklo-nurovica-iz-novog-pazara/
Distance to: Nurovic
2.92078757 Albanian_Montenegro
3.21673748 Macedonian_North
3.51398634 Macedonian_Central
4.00010000 Macedonian_South
4.07769543 Greek_Florina
4.24055421 Aromanian
4.85910486 Bulgarian_Moldova
4.87524358 Albanian_Kosovo
4.93779303 Macedonian_East
5.03003976 Bulgarian_Northeastern
5.17819467 Bulgarian_Southcentral
5.26676371 Bosniak_Sandzak_East
5.31074383 Bulgarian_Southwestern
5.68941122 Romanian_Muntenia
5.77423588 Albanian_Macedonia
5.88028911 Bulgarian_Northcentral
5.90668266 Greek_Thrace
5.93044686 Bulgarian_Southeastern
5.95845618 Romanian_Oltenia
6.28746372 Romanian_Dobruja
6.31499802 Torbesh
6.31826717 Gagauz
6.32274466 Albanian_North_Albania
6.97742073 Bulgarian_Northwestern
7.07925844 Turkish_Macedonia
RogueState
06-10-2022, 02:42 PM
Also from my region, found on YouTube recently ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nWfRGU6ub4 )
Again, our Albanian and Montenegrin mix (tribal Malisori + Brdjani) give a parallel close to Macedonians. We can see that proper Bosnia's Bosniaks are not even in top 20 populations, and despite being in Serbia, Serbs are far away.
Eurogenes K13
Distance to: Novipazar
5.56024280 North_Macedonian
6.27326869 Aromanian
6.68289608 Bosniak_Sandžak
6.82538644 Romanian_South
7.18694650 Bulgarian_Central
7.21809532 Bulgarian_Western
7.44707325 Bulgarian_Eastern
7.93884123 Romanian
8.08169537 Albanian
8.21222869 Romanian_Centre
8.27004232 Gagauz_Moldova
8.29182127 Montenegrin
8.35093408 Torbesh
8.51806903 Pomak_Bulgaria
8.64835244 Turkish_Macedonia
9.35791643 Greek_North
9.44472339 Pomak_Greece
9.63406456 Moldovan_South
10.60083016 Serb
11.57701602 Turkish_Deliorman
12.87283962 Italian_North_Alpine
13.00883930 Hungarian_Transylvania
13.16760798 Romanian_North
13.17502562 Italian_North
13.27707799 Greek_South-Central_Mainland
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