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Kaspias
05-14-2019, 10:59 AM
Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.3
2 North_Atlantic 23.89
3 West_Med 16.49
4 East_Med 11.05
5 West_Asian 7.54
6 Red_Sea 2.17
7 Siberian 1.08
8 Amerindian 1.04
9 Sub-Saharan 0.53
10 South_Asian 0.4
11 Oceanian 0.37
12 Northeast_African 0.11
13 East_Asian 0.03
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.16
2 Croatian 3.95
3 Serbian 8.82
4 Hungarian 8.85
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.23
6 Ukrainian 10.43
7 South_Polish 10.79
8 Romanian 11.78
9 East_German 12.95
10 Austrian 12.97
11 Bulgarian 13.4
12 Polish 13.71
13 Southwest_Russian 13.82
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.25
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.52
16 Estonian_Polish 15.91
17 Belorussian 16.79
18 Kargopol_Russian 17.64
19 Erzya 19.14
20 Southwest_Finnish 19.94
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.3% Ukrainian + 31.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.47
2 71.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.56
3 74.8% Ukrainian + 25.2% East_Sicilian @ 2.58
4 76.7% Ukrainian + 23.3% South_Italian @ 2.65
5 74.1% Ukrainian + 25.9% Central_Greek @ 2.65
6 79.1% Ukrainian + 20.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.67
7 81.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 18.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.69
8 59.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 40.2% Bulgarian @ 2.76
9 56.6% Ukrainian + 43.4% Bulgarian @ 2.82
10 79.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.9% South_Italian @ 2.85
11 77.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.6% East_Sicilian @ 2.89
12 67.9% Moldavian + 32.1% Croatian @ 2.89
13 76.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.3% Central_Greek @ 2.9
14 93.2% Moldavian + 6.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.95
15 74.7% Ukrainian + 25.3% West_Sicilian @ 2.95
16 94.3% Croatian + 5.7% Cyprian @ 2.95
17 94.9% Croatian + 5.1% Samaritan @ 2.95
18 94.2% Croatian + 5.8% Tunisian @ 2.96
19 93.6% Croatian + 6.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.96
20 90.3% Moldavian + 9.7% Ukrainian @ 2.97
Eurogenes K15
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.15
2 Atlantic 16.11
3 North_Sea 15.98
4 Eastern_Euro 15.27
5 West_Med 11.48
6 East_Med 7.2
7 West_Asian 7
8 Red_Sea 2.01
9 Amerindian 0.72
10 Sub-Saharan 0.43
11 Siberian 0.26
12 Oceanian 0.21
13 Northeast_African 0.18
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.02
2 Moldavian 4.11
3 Hungarian 8.13
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.69
5 South_Polish 8.92
6 Austrian 8.98
7 Serbian 9.01
8 Ukrainian 9.42
9 Romanian 10.4
10 Russian_Smolensk 11.3
11 Polish 11.34
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.69
13 East_German 12.13
14 Bulgarian 12.17
15 Southwest_Russian 12.25
16 Estonian_Polish 13.5
17 Belorussian 13.68
18 Kargopol_Russian 15.65
19 Estonian 16.91
20 Southwest_Finnish 16.98
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96% Croatian + 4% Cyprian @ 2.52
2 96.5% Croatian + 3.5% Samaritan @ 2.53
3 95.9% Croatian + 4.1% Tunisian @ 2.54
4 96% Croatian + 4% Moroccan @ 2.54
5 92.6% Croatian + 7.4% Greek @ 2.54
6 96.1% Croatian + 3.9% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.56
7 88.2% Croatian + 11.8% Bulgarian @ 2.56
8 96.7% Croatian + 3.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.57
9 96% Croatian + 4% Algerian @ 2.57
10 96.5% Croatian + 3.5% Bedouin @ 2.58
11 96.6% Croatian + 3.4% Egyptian @ 2.58
12 96.4% Croatian + 3.6% Syrian @ 2.59
13 96.6% Croatian + 3.4% Jordanian @ 2.6
14 95.7% Croatian + 4.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.6
15 96.7% Croatian + 3.3% Palestinian @ 2.62
16 96.2% Croatian + 3.8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.62
17 96.5% Croatian + 3.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.62
18 94.5% Croatian + 5.5% Ashkenazi @ 2.63
19 97.3% Croatian + 2.7% Saudi @ 2.63
20 97.5% Croatian + 2.5% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.65
MDLP K23b
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 38.94
2 Caucasian 31.13
3 European_Early_Farmers 15.53
4 South_Central_Asian 4.74
5 Near_East 2.75
6 East_Siberian 1.63
7 North_African 1.49
8 Australoid 0.7
9 Ancestral_Altaic 0.7
10 South_Indian 0.62
11 Amerindian 0.59
12 Paleo_Siberian 0.33
13 African_Pygmy 0.27
14 Subsaharian 0.18
15 Khoisan 0.18
16 Archaic_African 0.15
17 Melano_Polynesian 0.07
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian ( ) 4.4
2 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 4.61
3 Serb_BH ( ) 4.86
4 Croat ( ) 4.96
5 Croat_BH ( ) 4.96
6 Czech ( ) 5.66
7 Slovenian ( ) 5.94
8 Serb_Serbia ( ) 6.05
9 Hungarian ( ) 6.39
10 Slovak ( ) 6.42
11 Ukrainian_West ( ) 6.51
12 Montenegrian ( ) 6.82
13 Kashub ( ) 8.19
14 Sorb ( ) 8.7
15 Bulgarian ( ) 8.77
16 Macedonian ( ) 8.99
17 Ukrainian_Center ( ) 9.07
18 Ukrainian_East ( ) 9.4
19 Belarusian_West ( ) 10.03
20 Austrian ( ) 10.36
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.9% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 7.1% Adjara ( ) @ 1.54
2 93.5% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 6.5% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 1.54
3 93.1% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 6.9% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 1.54
4 92.9% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 7.1% Georgian ( ) @ 1.55
5 92.8% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 7.2% Abkhasian ( ) @ 1.56
6 89.3% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 10.7% Kabardin ( ) @ 1.56
7 92% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 8% Kakheti ( ) @ 1.57
8 87.7% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 12.3% Cirkassian ( ) @ 1.58
9 89.8% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 10.2% Circassian ( ) @ 1.59
10 93.4% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 6.6% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 1.62
11 93.2% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 6.8% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 1.62
12 90.3% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 9.7% Balkar ( ) @ 1.63
13 90.2% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 9.8% Adygei ( ) @ 1.66
14 90.3% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 9.7% Armenian ( ) @ 1.69
15 93.7% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 6.3% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 1.69
16 91% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 9% Ossetian ( ) @ 1.69
17 90.4% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 9.6% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) @ 1.7
18 90.5% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 9.5% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 1.72
19 86.4% Slovenian ( ) + 13.6% Kabardin ( ) @ 1.72
20 83.1% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 16.9% Turk_Istanbul ( ) @ 1.73
MDLP K16
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 28.08
2 NorthEastEuropean 26.04
3 Neolithic 24.79
4 Steppe 17.93
5 NearEast 1.12
6 Indian 0.89
7 Siberian 0.63
8 NorthAfrican 0.52
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 2.5
2 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 2.63
3 Croat (Croatia) 2.65
4 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 2.68
5 Hungarian (Budapest) 4.35
6 Serbian (Serbia) 4.46
7 Moldavian (Molodva) 4.73
8 Slovenian (Slovenia) 4.75
9 Cossack (Zaporozhie) 4.96
10 Hungarian (Hungary) 5.01
11 Romanian (Apuseni) 5.52
12 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 5.64
13 Austrian (Austria) 5.78
14 Slovak (Slovakia) 6.56
15 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 6.62
16 Czech (Czechia) 6.75
17 German (SouthGermany) 6.97
18 Macedonian (Macedonia) 7.17
19 Pole (Wroclaw) 7.22
20 Romanian (Gorj) 7.27
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.1% Pole (EastPoland) + 49.9% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 1.77
2 61.2% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 38.8% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 1.89
3 56.4% Belarusian (Belarus) + 43.6% Greek (Thessaloniki) @ 1.9
4 51.9% Belarusian (Belarus) + 48.1% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 1.95
5 67.8% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 32.2% Lithuanian (Lithuania) @ 1.97
6 75.4% Pole (EastPoland) + 24.6% Greek (Greece) @ 1.98
7 72.8% Sorb (Lusatia) + 27.2% Greek (Greece) @ 1.99
8 59.7% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 40.3% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.02
9 53.2% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 46.8% Sorb (Lusatia) @ 2.03
10 50.3% Pole (Wroclaw) + 49.7% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.03
11 56.5% Belarusian (Belarus) + 43.5% Albanian (Albania) @ 2.05
12 73.3% Serbian (Serbia) + 26.7% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.06
13 53% Slovak (Slovakia) + 47% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.07
14 77.2% Serbian (Serbia) + 22.8% Russians-West (WestRussian) @ 2.1
15 51.7% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 48.3% Ukrainian (Ukraine) @ 2.1
16 60.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 39.2% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.11
17 84.2% Sorb (Lusatia) + 15.8% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.12
18 64.3% Hungarian (Budapest) + 35.7% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 2.12
19 60% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 40% Pole (Poland) @ 2.13
20 72.4% Serbian (Serbia) + 27.6% Pole (Poland) @ 2.14
PuntDNAL K15
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 NE_European 53.57
2 Mediterranean 26.18
3 Caucasian 10.75
4 SW_Asian 5.25
5 Siberian 1.21
6 Horn_Of_Africa 0.66
7 Omo_River 0.53
8 Beringian 0.52
9 Oceanian 0.52
10 Amerindian 0.41
11 Wht_Nile_River 0.39
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 2.46
2 Croatian 3.02
3 Austrian 3.04
4 Slovenian 3.41
5 Irish 5.22
6 Orcadian 5.67
7 North_German 6.23
8 English 6.26
9 Utahn_White 6.78
10 South_German 6.83
11 Scottish 7.19
12 Norwegian 7.5
13 Serbian 7.53
14 Swedish 9
15 French 9.56
16 Bosnian 11.13
17 Polish 11.26
18 Macedonian 13.15
19 Romanian 14.72
20 Bulgarian 15.29
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.8% Belarusian + 40.2% Albanian @ 1.32
2 61.4% Belarusian + 38.6% Tuscan @ 1.56
3 50.8% Belarusian + 49.2% Montenegrin @ 1.56
4 54.6% Lithuanian + 45.4% Albanian @ 1.6
5 52.2% Bulgarian + 47.8% Belarusian @ 1.6
6 53.1% Romanian + 46.9% Belarusian @ 1.62
7 97.9% Hungarian + 2.1% Bedouin_B @ 1.62
8 95.8% Slovenian + 4.2% Saudi @ 1.68
9 57.5% Bulgarian + 42.5% Lithuanian @ 1.69
10 56% Macedonian + 44% Belarusian @ 1.69
11 97.5% Hungarian + 2.5% Saudi @ 1.75
12 61.2% Macedonian + 38.8% Lithuanian @ 1.77
13 85.4% Swedish + 14.6% Jordanian @ 1.8
14 86.7% Swedish + 13.3% Bedouin_A @ 1.83
15 96.7% Slovenian + 3.3% Bedouin_B @ 1.84
16 85.3% Swedish + 14.7% Syrian @ 1.87
17 82.7% Polish + 17.3% Samaritian @ 1.87
18 54.6% Montenegrin + 45.4% Lithuanian @ 1.89
19 95.1% Slovenian + 4.9% Yemenite_Jew @ 1.89
20 58.4% Romanian + 41.6% Lithuanian @ 1.9
Dodecad K12b
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 45.18
2 Atlantic_Med 25.46
3 Caucasus 17.18
4 Southwest_Asian 5.45
5 Gedrosia 4.66
6 Siberian 0.87
7 South_Asian 0.79
8 Northwest_African 0.41
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 4.2
2 German (Dodecad) 10.95
3 Romanians (Behar) 13.18
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 15.07
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.54
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 17.14
7 Dutch (Dodecad) 18.11
8 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 18.32
9 Polish (Dodecad) 18.35
10 Swedish (Dodecad) 19.75
11 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 20.27
12 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 20.74
13 Kent (1000Genomes) 20.86
14 French (Dodecad) 20.92
15 English (Dodecad) 20.95
16 Norwegian (Dodecad) 20.97
17 French (HGDP) 21.34
18 British_Isles (Dodecad) 21.84
19 Argyll (1000Genomes) 22.84
20 Orkney (1000Genomes) 23.16
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.5% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 0.94
2 92.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.4% Syrians (Behar) @ 1.14
3 93% Hungarians (Behar) + 7% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 1.14
4 92.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.2% Jordanians (Behar) @ 1.17
5 94.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.7% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 1.19
6 93.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.6% Yemenese (Behar) @ 1.22
7 92.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.5% Lebanese (Behar) @ 1.4
8 93.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.4% Samaritians (Behar) @ 1.47
9 93.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.8% Egyptans (Behar) @ 1.5
10 95% Hungarians (Behar) + 5% Saudis (Behar) @ 1.57
11 93.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.5% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 1.58
12 93.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.3% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 1.71
13 93.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.6% Druze (HGDP) @ 1.73
14 93.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.9% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.8
15 93.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.4% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 1.98
16 93.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.2% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 1.99
17 93.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.2% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.02
18 93.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.6% Iranians (Behar) @ 2.08
19 93.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.6% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 2.11
20 93.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 2.14
Eurogenes K36
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.43 Pct
Armenian 4.28 Pct
Basque 1.14 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.59 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 6.97 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 21.65 Pct
East_Med 1.03 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.44 Pct
Fennoscandian 3.40 Pct
French 4.26 Pct
Iberian 9.36 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 12.44 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 0.60 Pct
North_Atlantic 3.29 Pct
North_Caucasian 4.56 Pct
North_Sea 5.09 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic 0.09 Pct
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.73 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 1.65 Pct
Bosniensis
05-14-2019, 11:12 AM
Lol his K15
9. Romanian 10.4
My 23andMe K15 says 1. Romania 4.8
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
05-14-2019, 11:13 AM
This guy is genetically Croat and true native of Bosnia. Compare to mongrel Bosniensis, results are as different as day and night. This guy scores similary as Max Luburić and Vlatko Vuković.
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
05-14-2019, 11:14 AM
Lol his K15
9. Romanian 10.4
My 23andMe K15 says 1. Romania 4.8
One who doesn't fit in is you due to your extra balkanigger admixture from southern Balkans imported to Bosnia very recently.
Bosniensis
05-14-2019, 11:14 AM
This guy is genetically Croat and true native of Bosnia. Compare to mongrel Bosniensis, results are as different as day and night. This guy scores similary as Max Luburić and Vlatko Vuković.
There is a reason why I match Dalmatian Vlachs through markers and why I score 1. Romania on 23andMe K15
https://romaniadacia.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/dacian-warrior-trajans-column-romanian-peasant-romanians-culture.jpg
Ayetooey
05-14-2019, 11:19 AM
Muslim Croat. This guy is probably from Central Bosnia or West Herzegovina I'm guessing.
Outlaw
05-14-2019, 11:21 AM
This guy is genetically Croat and true native of Bosnia. Compare to mongrel Bosniensis, results are as different as day and night. This guy scores similary as Max Luburić and Vlatko Vuković.
Bosniaks were never Serbs to begin with, it's just Serbian propganda. They aren't anymore Serb than they are Croat. It's only Serbs from Bosnia that are close to Bosniaks and Croats , it's propbably because many Serbs in Bosnia are Serbianised. You also had Serbs that migrated into Bosnia later on. Some of these Serbs from Bosnia match Albanians on autosomal tests which shows their ancestors came from more South of the Balkans.
Bosniensis
05-14-2019, 11:21 AM
Muslim Croat. This guy is probably from Central Bosnia or West Herzegovina I'm guessing.
Ewwww.. poor guy
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
05-14-2019, 11:23 AM
Bosniaks were never Serbs to begin with, it's just Serbian propganda. They aren't anymore Serb than they are Croat. It's only Serbs from Bosnia that are close to Bosniaks and Croats , it's propbably because many Serbs in Bosnia are Serbianised. You also had Serbs that migrated into Bosnia later on. Some of these Serbs from Bosnia match Albanians on autosomal tests which shows their ancestors came from more South of the Balkans.
Bosniaks with roots from eastern Bosnia are Serb by origin though.
Ayetooey
05-14-2019, 11:24 AM
Bosniaks were never Serbs to begin with, it's just Serbian propganda. They aren't anymore Serb than they are Croat. It's only Serbs from Bosnia that are close to Bosniaks and Croats , it's propbably because many Serbs in Bosnia are Serbianised. You also had Serbs that migrated into Bosnia later on. Some of these Serbs from Bosnia match Albanians on autosomal tests which shows their ancestors came from more South of the Balkans.
Hi Sock. This isn't entirely true; all Bosniaks of East BIH are Muslim Serb immigrants, from Belgrade, Užice, Smederevo etc. Literally no Serbs from Bosnia match Albanians; Serbs from Bosnia are the MOST North Shifted Serbs; all Bosnian Serbs on this forum and others I've seen are North shifted.
Bosniaks from Central and West BIH, excluding certain cases like Bosniensis are mainly Muslim Croats.
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
05-14-2019, 11:25 AM
Native Bosniaks of western Bosnia are Croats, but only natives. Western Bosnia was ethnically cleansed by Ottomans and re-settled from people all over , Bosniensis is great example.
Bosniensis
05-14-2019, 11:27 AM
Native Bosniaks of western Bosnia are Croats, but only natives. Western Bosnia was ethnically cleansed by Ottomans and re-settled from people all over , Bosniensis is great example.
Let me correct you in one thing. I (my family) cleansed Western Bosnia.
We liberated Western Bosnia from Croats, we were planing Greater Serbia 500 years before Načertanije
Telli Hasan Paša Predojević who conquered Bihać is my direct ancestor.
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
05-14-2019, 11:27 AM
To sum up Bosniaks are by local origin either Croats (western BiH), Serbs (eastern BiH) or Albanians (Sandžak). Simple as that.
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
05-14-2019, 11:29 AM
Let me correct you in one thing. I (my family) cleansed Western Bosnia.
We liberated Western Bosnia from Croats, we were planing Greater Serbia 500 years before Načertanije
Telli Hasan Paša Predojević who conquered Bihać is my direct ancestor.
Muslim migrants in Bihać are good punishment for you.
Bosniensis
05-14-2019, 11:32 AM
Muslim migrants in Bihać are good punishment for you.
They are leaving, we have solved the issue hhuehue
Outlaw
05-14-2019, 11:33 AM
Bosniaks with roots from eastern Bosnia are Serb by origin though.
According to the historian Noel Malcolm , there weren't any Serbs in Bosnia prior to Ottomans , he writes this in his book ''Bosnia, a short history'' ... he claims some Bosnians either became Serbs and that some Serbs also migrated into Bosnia from Montenegro during Ottoman Empire which could explain why some Serbs from Bosnia match Albanian Ghegs, because their ancestors came from areas close to Malesor Albanians.
Voskos
05-14-2019, 11:35 AM
This is a fact: South Slavs brought siberian admixture with them. For example, my granpa who's more slavic shifted than me ends up scoring 1.4% siberean, whereas I myself score in the 0%-0.5% range.
Bosniensis
05-14-2019, 11:36 AM
This is a fact: South Slavs brought siberian admixture with them. For example, my granpa who's more slavic shifted than me ends up scoring 1.4% siberean, whereas I myself score in the 0%-0.5% range.
True bro, but it's low in general. It comes from Avars and other Turkic influenced (also mixed) people who mixed with people from Pannonian plain.
Kaspias can you check if I match with him on any segment?
We plot very similarly on the K15 map, we're on almost the exact same position on the Y-axis but I'm a bit more western on the X-axis.
Kaspias
05-14-2019, 12:40 PM
Kaspias can you check if I match with him on any segment?
We plot very similarly on the K15 map, we're on almost the exact same position on the Y-axis but I'm a bit more western on the X-axis.
with 7cM
No shared DNA segments found
394025 SNPs used for this comparison.
with 1cM
Largest segment = 4.4 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 138.9 cM (3.872 Pct)
65 shared segments found for this comparison.
394025 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.260 Pct SNPs are full identical
This is a fact: South Slavs brought siberian admixture with them. For example, my granpa who's more slavic shifted than me ends up scoring 1.4% siberean, whereas I myself score in the 0%-0.5% range.
A gift from Great Turan.
https://shamanicdrumm.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/golden-eagle-hunter.jpg
Ljubic
05-14-2019, 02:09 PM
Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.3
2 North_Atlantic 23.89
3 West_Med 16.49
4 East_Med 11.05
5 West_Asian 7.54
6 Red_Sea 2.17
7 Siberian 1.08
8 Amerindian 1.04
9 Sub-Saharan 0.53
10 South_Asian 0.4
11 Oceanian 0.37
12 Northeast_African 0.11
13 East_Asian 0.03
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.16
2 Croatian 3.95
3 Serbian 8.82
4 Hungarian 8.85
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.23
6 Ukrainian 10.43
7 South_Polish 10.79
8 Romanian 11.78
9 East_German 12.95
10 Austrian 12.97
11 Bulgarian 13.4
12 Polish 13.71
13 Southwest_Russian 13.82
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.25
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.52
16 Estonian_Polish 15.91
17 Belorussian 16.79
18 Kargopol_Russian 17.64
19 Erzya 19.14
20 Southwest_Finnish 19.94
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.3% Ukrainian + 31.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.47
2 71.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.56
3 74.8% Ukrainian + 25.2% East_Sicilian @ 2.58
4 76.7% Ukrainian + 23.3% South_Italian @ 2.65
5 74.1% Ukrainian + 25.9% Central_Greek @ 2.65
6 79.1% Ukrainian + 20.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.67
7 81.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 18.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.69
8 59.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 40.2% Bulgarian @ 2.76
9 56.6% Ukrainian + 43.4% Bulgarian @ 2.82
10 79.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.9% South_Italian @ 2.85
11 77.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.6% East_Sicilian @ 2.89
12 67.9% Moldavian + 32.1% Croatian @ 2.89
13 76.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.3% Central_Greek @ 2.9
14 93.2% Moldavian + 6.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.95
15 74.7% Ukrainian + 25.3% West_Sicilian @ 2.95
16 94.3% Croatian + 5.7% Cyprian @ 2.95
17 94.9% Croatian + 5.1% Samaritan @ 2.95
18 94.2% Croatian + 5.8% Tunisian @ 2.96
19 93.6% Croatian + 6.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.96
20 90.3% Moldavian + 9.7% Ukrainian @ 2.97
Eurogenes K15
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.15
2 Atlantic 16.11
3 North_Sea 15.98
4 Eastern_Euro 15.27
5 West_Med 11.48
6 East_Med 7.2
7 West_Asian 7
8 Red_Sea 2.01
9 Amerindian 0.72
10 Sub-Saharan 0.43
11 Siberian 0.26
12 Oceanian 0.21
13 Northeast_African 0.18
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.02
2 Moldavian 4.11
3 Hungarian 8.13
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.69
5 South_Polish 8.92
6 Austrian 8.98
7 Serbian 9.01
8 Ukrainian 9.42
9 Romanian 10.4
10 Russian_Smolensk 11.3
11 Polish 11.34
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.69
13 East_German 12.13
14 Bulgarian 12.17
15 Southwest_Russian 12.25
16 Estonian_Polish 13.5
17 Belorussian 13.68
18 Kargopol_Russian 15.65
19 Estonian 16.91
20 Southwest_Finnish 16.98
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96% Croatian + 4% Cyprian @ 2.52
2 96.5% Croatian + 3.5% Samaritan @ 2.53
3 95.9% Croatian + 4.1% Tunisian @ 2.54
4 96% Croatian + 4% Moroccan @ 2.54
5 92.6% Croatian + 7.4% Greek @ 2.54
6 96.1% Croatian + 3.9% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.56
7 88.2% Croatian + 11.8% Bulgarian @ 2.56
8 96.7% Croatian + 3.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.57
9 96% Croatian + 4% Algerian @ 2.57
10 96.5% Croatian + 3.5% Bedouin @ 2.58
11 96.6% Croatian + 3.4% Egyptian @ 2.58
12 96.4% Croatian + 3.6% Syrian @ 2.59
13 96.6% Croatian + 3.4% Jordanian @ 2.6
14 95.7% Croatian + 4.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.6
15 96.7% Croatian + 3.3% Palestinian @ 2.62
16 96.2% Croatian + 3.8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.62
17 96.5% Croatian + 3.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.62
18 94.5% Croatian + 5.5% Ashkenazi @ 2.63
19 97.3% Croatian + 2.7% Saudi @ 2.63
20 97.5% Croatian + 2.5% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.65
MDLP K23b
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 38.94
2 Caucasian 31.13
3 European_Early_Farmers 15.53
4 South_Central_Asian 4.74
5 Near_East 2.75
6 East_Siberian 1.63
7 North_African 1.49
8 Australoid 0.7
9 Ancestral_Altaic 0.7
10 South_Indian 0.62
11 Amerindian 0.59
12 Paleo_Siberian 0.33
13 African_Pygmy 0.27
14 Subsaharian 0.18
15 Khoisan 0.18
16 Archaic_African 0.15
17 Melano_Polynesian 0.07
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian ( ) 4.4
2 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 4.61
3 Serb_BH ( ) 4.86
4 Croat ( ) 4.96
5 Croat_BH ( ) 4.96
6 Czech ( ) 5.66
7 Slovenian ( ) 5.94
8 Serb_Serbia ( ) 6.05
9 Hungarian ( ) 6.39
10 Slovak ( ) 6.42
11 Ukrainian_West ( ) 6.51
12 Montenegrian ( ) 6.82
13 Kashub ( ) 8.19
14 Sorb ( ) 8.7
15 Bulgarian ( ) 8.77
16 Macedonian ( ) 8.99
17 Ukrainian_Center ( ) 9.07
18 Ukrainian_East ( ) 9.4
19 Belarusian_West ( ) 10.03
20 Austrian ( ) 10.36
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.9% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 7.1% Adjara ( ) @ 1.54
2 93.5% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 6.5% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 1.54
3 93.1% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 6.9% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 1.54
4 92.9% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 7.1% Georgian ( ) @ 1.55
5 92.8% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 7.2% Abkhasian ( ) @ 1.56
6 89.3% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 10.7% Kabardin ( ) @ 1.56
7 92% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 8% Kakheti ( ) @ 1.57
8 87.7% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 12.3% Cirkassian ( ) @ 1.58
9 89.8% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 10.2% Circassian ( ) @ 1.59
10 93.4% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 6.6% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 1.62
11 93.2% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 6.8% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 1.62
12 90.3% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 9.7% Balkar ( ) @ 1.63
13 90.2% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 9.8% Adygei ( ) @ 1.66
14 90.3% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 9.7% Armenian ( ) @ 1.69
15 93.7% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 6.3% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 1.69
16 91% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 9% Ossetian ( ) @ 1.69
17 90.4% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 9.6% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) @ 1.7
18 90.5% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 9.5% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 1.72
19 86.4% Slovenian ( ) + 13.6% Kabardin ( ) @ 1.72
20 83.1% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 16.9% Turk_Istanbul ( ) @ 1.73
MDLP K16
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 28.08
2 NorthEastEuropean 26.04
3 Neolithic 24.79
4 Steppe 17.93
5 NearEast 1.12
6 Indian 0.89
7 Siberian 0.63
8 NorthAfrican 0.52
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 2.5
2 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 2.63
3 Croat (Croatia) 2.65
4 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 2.68
5 Hungarian (Budapest) 4.35
6 Serbian (Serbia) 4.46
7 Moldavian (Molodva) 4.73
8 Slovenian (Slovenia) 4.75
9 Cossack (Zaporozhie) 4.96
10 Hungarian (Hungary) 5.01
11 Romanian (Apuseni) 5.52
12 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 5.64
13 Austrian (Austria) 5.78
14 Slovak (Slovakia) 6.56
15 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 6.62
16 Czech (Czechia) 6.75
17 German (SouthGermany) 6.97
18 Macedonian (Macedonia) 7.17
19 Pole (Wroclaw) 7.22
20 Romanian (Gorj) 7.27
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.1% Pole (EastPoland) + 49.9% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 1.77
2 61.2% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 38.8% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 1.89
3 56.4% Belarusian (Belarus) + 43.6% Greek (Thessaloniki) @ 1.9
4 51.9% Belarusian (Belarus) + 48.1% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 1.95
5 67.8% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 32.2% Lithuanian (Lithuania) @ 1.97
6 75.4% Pole (EastPoland) + 24.6% Greek (Greece) @ 1.98
7 72.8% Sorb (Lusatia) + 27.2% Greek (Greece) @ 1.99
8 59.7% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 40.3% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.02
9 53.2% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 46.8% Sorb (Lusatia) @ 2.03
10 50.3% Pole (Wroclaw) + 49.7% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.03
11 56.5% Belarusian (Belarus) + 43.5% Albanian (Albania) @ 2.05
12 73.3% Serbian (Serbia) + 26.7% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.06
13 53% Slovak (Slovakia) + 47% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.07
14 77.2% Serbian (Serbia) + 22.8% Russians-West (WestRussian) @ 2.1
15 51.7% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 48.3% Ukrainian (Ukraine) @ 2.1
16 60.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 39.2% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.11
17 84.2% Sorb (Lusatia) + 15.8% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.12
18 64.3% Hungarian (Budapest) + 35.7% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 2.12
19 60% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 40% Pole (Poland) @ 2.13
20 72.4% Serbian (Serbia) + 27.6% Pole (Poland) @ 2.14
PuntDNAL K15
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 NE_European 53.57
2 Mediterranean 26.18
3 Caucasian 10.75
4 SW_Asian 5.25
5 Siberian 1.21
6 Horn_Of_Africa 0.66
7 Omo_River 0.53
8 Beringian 0.52
9 Oceanian 0.52
10 Amerindian 0.41
11 Wht_Nile_River 0.39
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 2.46
2 Croatian 3.02
3 Austrian 3.04
4 Slovenian 3.41
5 Irish 5.22
6 Orcadian 5.67
7 North_German 6.23
8 English 6.26
9 Utahn_White 6.78
10 South_German 6.83
11 Scottish 7.19
12 Norwegian 7.5
13 Serbian 7.53
14 Swedish 9
15 French 9.56
16 Bosnian 11.13
17 Polish 11.26
18 Macedonian 13.15
19 Romanian 14.72
20 Bulgarian 15.29
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.8% Belarusian + 40.2% Albanian @ 1.32
2 61.4% Belarusian + 38.6% Tuscan @ 1.56
3 50.8% Belarusian + 49.2% Montenegrin @ 1.56
4 54.6% Lithuanian + 45.4% Albanian @ 1.6
5 52.2% Bulgarian + 47.8% Belarusian @ 1.6
6 53.1% Romanian + 46.9% Belarusian @ 1.62
7 97.9% Hungarian + 2.1% Bedouin_B @ 1.62
8 95.8% Slovenian + 4.2% Saudi @ 1.68
9 57.5% Bulgarian + 42.5% Lithuanian @ 1.69
10 56% Macedonian + 44% Belarusian @ 1.69
11 97.5% Hungarian + 2.5% Saudi @ 1.75
12 61.2% Macedonian + 38.8% Lithuanian @ 1.77
13 85.4% Swedish + 14.6% Jordanian @ 1.8
14 86.7% Swedish + 13.3% Bedouin_A @ 1.83
15 96.7% Slovenian + 3.3% Bedouin_B @ 1.84
16 85.3% Swedish + 14.7% Syrian @ 1.87
17 82.7% Polish + 17.3% Samaritian @ 1.87
18 54.6% Montenegrin + 45.4% Lithuanian @ 1.89
19 95.1% Slovenian + 4.9% Yemenite_Jew @ 1.89
20 58.4% Romanian + 41.6% Lithuanian @ 1.9
Dodecad K12b
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 45.18
2 Atlantic_Med 25.46
3 Caucasus 17.18
4 Southwest_Asian 5.45
5 Gedrosia 4.66
6 Siberian 0.87
7 South_Asian 0.79
8 Northwest_African 0.41
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 4.2
2 German (Dodecad) 10.95
3 Romanians (Behar) 13.18
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 15.07
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.54
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 17.14
7 Dutch (Dodecad) 18.11
8 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 18.32
9 Polish (Dodecad) 18.35
10 Swedish (Dodecad) 19.75
11 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 20.27
12 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 20.74
13 Kent (1000Genomes) 20.86
14 French (Dodecad) 20.92
15 English (Dodecad) 20.95
16 Norwegian (Dodecad) 20.97
17 French (HGDP) 21.34
18 British_Isles (Dodecad) 21.84
19 Argyll (1000Genomes) 22.84
20 Orkney (1000Genomes) 23.16
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.5% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 0.94
2 92.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.4% Syrians (Behar) @ 1.14
3 93% Hungarians (Behar) + 7% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 1.14
4 92.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.2% Jordanians (Behar) @ 1.17
5 94.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.7% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 1.19
6 93.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.6% Yemenese (Behar) @ 1.22
7 92.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.5% Lebanese (Behar) @ 1.4
8 93.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.4% Samaritians (Behar) @ 1.47
9 93.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.8% Egyptans (Behar) @ 1.5
10 95% Hungarians (Behar) + 5% Saudis (Behar) @ 1.57
11 93.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.5% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 1.58
12 93.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.3% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 1.71
13 93.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.6% Druze (HGDP) @ 1.73
14 93.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.9% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.8
15 93.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.4% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 1.98
16 93.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.2% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 1.99
17 93.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.2% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.02
18 93.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.6% Iranians (Behar) @ 2.08
19 93.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.6% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 2.11
20 93.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 2.14
Eurogenes K36
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.43 Pct
Armenian 4.28 Pct
Basque 1.14 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.59 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 6.97 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 21.65 Pct
East_Med 1.03 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.44 Pct
Fennoscandian 3.40 Pct
French 4.26 Pct
Iberian 9.36 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 12.44 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 0.60 Pct
North_Atlantic 3.29 Pct
North_Caucasian 4.56 Pct
North_Sea 5.09 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic 0.09 Pct
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.73 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 1.65 Pct
He really is one baltic boi. Do you know which region he comes from?
HungryLion
05-14-2019, 02:16 PM
Muslim Croat. This guy is probably from Central Bosnia or West Herzegovina I'm guessing.
It's a female, saw it before, nothing unusual, she plots similar like western Serbs, and rest of her family which i saw plot like regular Serbs acctualy..
HungryLion
05-14-2019, 02:21 PM
Hi Sock. This isn't entirely true; all Bosniaks of East BIH are Muslim Serb immigrants, from Belgrade, Uice, Smederevo etc. Literally no Serbs from Bosnia match Albanians; Serbs from Bosnia are the MOST North Shifted Serbs; all Bosnian Serbs on this forum and others I've seen are North shifted.
Bosniaks from Central and West BIH, excluding certain cases like Bosniensis are mainly Muslim Croats.
Nothing Croatian in Central Bosnia..
Only were Croats were is western Bosnia, but they mostly go on west bc of turks..so let it clear, wery few among today Bosnians have anything whit Croats..Serbian land,Serbian (Converted ppl)..Serbian haplos..
Bosniensis
05-14-2019, 02:27 PM
Nothing Croatian in Central Bosnia..
Only were Croats were is western Bosnia, but they mostly go on west bc of turks..so let it clear, wery few among today Bosnians have anything whit Croats..Serbian land,Serbian (Converted ppl)..Serbian haplos..
havent seen you for a week or so? got bored of this great community?
Kaspias
05-14-2019, 02:33 PM
He really is one baltic boi. Do you know which region he comes from?
Unfortunately
It's a female, saw it before, nothing unusual, she plots similar like western Serbs, and rest of her family which i saw plot like regular Serbs acctualy..
Since when Bilal is a female name?
https://i.ibb.co/NrhYsd2/Ads-z.png
Ayetooey
05-14-2019, 02:35 PM
It's a female, saw it before, nothing unusual, she plots similar like western Serbs, and rest of her family which i saw plot like regular Serbs acctualy..
He/She doesn't plot like Western Serbs; but right under the Croat dot on k15. Western Serbs should still be closest to Serbs out of all populations. His/Her ancestors were obviously catholics who converted to Islam.
HungryLion
05-14-2019, 02:37 PM
havent seen you for a week or so? got bored of this great community?
A little bro...It's hard to listen same shit lol..
I mean I must admit i never assume they will try to use tiny difference in autosomal tests, new level of low ppl, I know this female sample, it was from central Bosnia, paternal side PH908, her soon plots whit average Serbs sample..
It's so fucked up, rejecting whole history and everything just bc some sample in close comunity share a bit more slavic dna, we all know that among some Bosniaks serbian slavic dna Is suposed to be stronger, I mean thing's which they want to put there is insane...
HungryLion
05-14-2019, 02:38 PM
Unfortunately
Since when Bilal is a female name?
https://i.ibb.co/NrhYsd2/Ads-z.png
Since I know that sample from our Serbian dna project.
Voskos
05-14-2019, 02:38 PM
Is he from the bosnian pyramids or close?
Kaspias
05-14-2019, 02:41 PM
Since I know that sample from our Serbian dna project.
Kit's owner introduced himself as male, registered Gedmatch as male, has male name. You're confusing him with other person.
HungryLion
05-14-2019, 02:41 PM
He/She doesn't plot like Western Serbs; but right under the Croat dot on k15. Western Serbs should still be closest to Serbs out of all populations. His/Her ancestors were obviously catholics who converted to Islam.
So in place where Croats mostly never being, she suposed to be Croat just bc she have more slavic Dna?
Anyway I know this sample, her paternal side is PH908.
Her north ploting can be just partly regional thing.
We all know that some Bosniak keep more serbian slavic dna..I saw her soon sample, he plots like average Serb.
HungryLion
05-14-2019, 02:42 PM
Kit's owner introduced himself as male, registered Gedmatch as male, has male name. You're confusing him with other person.
It was her soon..dude I told you I saw that sample.
Do I need to go and took screen from our dna project?
Kaspias
05-14-2019, 02:45 PM
It was her soon..dude I told you I saw that sample.
Do I need to go and took screen from our dna project?
Fair
Bosniaks were never Serbs to begin with, it's just Serbian propganda. They aren't anymore Serb than they are Croat. It's only Serbs from Bosnia that are close to Bosniaks and Croats , it's propbably because many Serbs in Bosnia are Serbianised. You also had Serbs that migrated into Bosnia later on. Some of these Serbs from Bosnia match Albanians on autosomal tests which shows their ancestors came from more South of the Balkans.
Lol you wish shitar
Ayetooey
05-14-2019, 02:47 PM
So in place where Croats mostly never being, she suposed to be Croat just bc she have more slavic Dna?
Anyway I know this sample, her paternal side is PH908.
Her north ploting can be just partly regional thing.
We all know that some Bosniak keep more serbian slavic dna..I saw her soon sample, he plots like average Serb.
Where is this person from?
Bosniaks from West and Central Bosnia are mainly local converts; ex catholics and bogomils. It's east Bosnians who are Serbs originally; result of Muslim from east Bosnia; 100% Muslim Serb.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/423210727411810337/549940242858246175/unknown.png
Pribislav
05-14-2019, 02:54 PM
Most of Muslims from Central Bosnian are descendants of Herzegovinian vlachs (social caste). Ottomans settled them to Central Bosnia from Herzegovina and gave them land and privilegies for conversion on Islam.
In late 17th century some Muslim refugees (Muhacirs) from Vojvodina, Slavonia and Hungary settled to Central Bosnia. Among these settlers there was islamized Hungarians, Slovaks, Rusyns and even Germans, and that is reason by Central Bosnian Muslims ploting more northern than Herzegovinian and Bosanska Krajina ones.
Outlaw
05-14-2019, 03:05 PM
Serbs are migrants into Bosnia. Serbs have migrated into many places in the Balkans... Croatia, Bosnia, Vojvodina, Kosovo, Albania, Macedonia but Serbs claim Albos as migrants into Kosovo ... Serbs are more propgandists than Noel Malcolm who is actually too careful.... He says people of Bosnia weren't really Serbs or Croats but just Bosnians and that some became Serbs and Croats later.. and that some Serbs were Orthodox Vlachs from Southern Balkans that settled in Bosnia .... Serbs claim that all people of Bosnia were just Croats which isn't even true and there is no evidence for this.... It's also true that some Serbs did migrate into Bosnia ... you can see this by the fact that some of them get Albanian Ghegs as relatives ... I get some Serbian matches from Republika Srpska myself.
It's also true that some Bosniaks are Islamised Serbs... i.e they mingled with Bosniak Muslims. But I don't think this accounts for all Bosniaks.
Not sure what the problem of Serbs is to depict other people as migrants when you are probably the biggest migrants in the Balkans.
HungryLion
05-14-2019, 03:05 PM
Does that dude plot here? This is sampe of this female?
https://i.ibb.co/WGc3cRD/20190514-170052.jpg
And Srbs sample's
https://i.ibb.co/2qTqfH8/20190514-170312.jpg
There among Serbs sample didn't count 2 samples from Banija region, they plot more north west than that Bosniak sample, anyway point is clear.
HungryLion
05-14-2019, 03:07 PM
Serbs are migrants into Bosnia. Serbs have migrated into many places in the Balkans... Croatia, Bosnia, Vojvodina, Kosovo, Albania, Macedonia but Serbs claim Albos as migrants into Kosovo ... Serbs are more propgandists than Noel Malcolm who is actually too careful.... He says people of Bosnia weren't really Serbs or Croats but just Bosnians and that some became Serbs and Croats later.. and that some Serbs were Orthodox Vlachs from Southern Balkans that settled in Bosnia .... Serbs claim that all people of Bosnia were just Croats which isn't even true and there is no evidence for this.... It's also true that some Serbs did migrate into Bosnia ... you can see this by the fact that some of them get Albanian Ghegs as relatives ... I get some Serbian matches from Republika Srpska myself.
It's also true that some Bosniaks are Islamised Serbs... i.e they mingled with Bosniak Muslims. But I don't think this accounts for all Bosniaks.
Not sure what the problem of Serbs is to depict other people as migrants when you are probably the biggest migrants in the Balkans.
Please go fuck yourself whit that shity propaganda.
HungryLion
05-14-2019, 03:11 PM
Where is this person from?
Bosniaks from West and Central Bosnia are mainly local converts; ex catholics and bogomils. It's east Bosnians who are Serbs originally; result of Muslim from east Bosnia; 100% Muslim Serb.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/423210727411810337/549940242858246175/unknown.png
Central Bosnia..Anyway told you they are Serbs to by origins..Some of the nobility convert in cahtolich just before ottoman invasion bc they think this going to save them from Turks..No Croats there...should looking for Croats in far west part of Bosnia.But most of them migrated on west anyway.
Pribislav
05-14-2019, 03:13 PM
Most of Muslims from Central Bosnian are descendants of Herzegovinian vlachs (social caste). Ottomans settled them to Central Bosnia from Herzegovina and gave them land and privilegies for conversion on Islam.
In late 17th century some Muslim refugees (Muhacirs) from Vojvodina, Slavonia and Hungary settled to Central Bosnia. Among these settlers there was islamized Hungarians, Slovaks, Rusyns and even Germans, and that is reason by Central Bosnian Muslims ploting more northern than Herzegovinian and Bosanska Krajina ones.
Textbook example of origin Central Bosnian Muslims from Herzegovinian Orthodox vlachs.
Mother of this guy Aspurg is Muslims from Central Bosnia:
My Bosniak maternal side very likely (not yet tested but strong documentary evidence exist) are from vlach Ugarak tribe... https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/26201-Who-were-and-are-the-Albanians-and-their-DNA/page43?p=575931&viewfull=1#post575931
About migration of Orthodox Herzegovinian vlach to Bosnia and their conversion on Islam wrote some Bosnian Muslim authors.
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
05-14-2019, 03:35 PM
It's a female, saw it before, nothing unusual, she plots similar like western Serbs, and rest of her family which i saw plot like regular Serbs acctualy..
Not even close. This person is ploting alike average Croat and no amount of lies and propaganda from you German mongrel and Pribislav can change that.
Western Serbs=/=Croats
Ayetoney father is good example of pure western Serb, plotting north of Serbian average and still nowhere near Croats. Cope.
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
05-14-2019, 03:38 PM
Where is this person from?
Bosniaks from West and Central Bosnia are mainly local converts; ex catholics and bogomils. It's east Bosnians who are Serbs originally; result of Muslim from east Bosnia; 100% Muslim Serb.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/423210727411810337/549940242858246175/unknown.png
Mate, it has no sense to discuss with that mongrel who plots with Austrians and claims pure Serb descent. Out of respect for you and Ford I won't insults other normal Serbs just because of those two biased guys.
Anyway, Central Bosnia has Croatian population that is pretty stable since middle ages and is second biggest region with Croatian population in BiH today after Western Herzegovina , even tho lot were expelled by Bosniaks in last war.
In my opinion division of Croat and Serb ethnic lands went trough central Bosnia also, so you can find both genetic profiles there among local population.
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
05-14-2019, 03:41 PM
Most of Muslims from Central Bosnian are descendants of Herzegovinian vlachs (social caste). Ottomans settled them to Central Bosnia from Herzegovina and gave them land and privilegies for conversion on Islam.
In late 17th century some Muslim refugees (Muhacirs) from Vojvodina, Slavonia and Hungary settled to Central Bosnia. Among these settlers there was islamized Hungarians, Slovaks, Rusyns and even Germans, and that is reason by Central Bosnian Muslims ploting more northern than Herzegovinian and Bosanska Krajina ones.
Not, Central Bosnia has most stable population out of all Bosnian regions and had least population change historically. Individual examples of coming from other regions don't really mean much here.
HungryLion
05-14-2019, 03:42 PM
Mate, it has no sense to discuss with that mongrel who plots with Austrians and claims pure Serb descent. Out of respect for you and Ford I won't insults other normal Serbs just because of those two biased guys.
Anyway, Central Bosnia has Croatian population that is pretty stable since middle ages and is second biggest region with Croatian population in BiH today after Western Herzegovina , even tho lot were expelled by Bosniaks in last war.
In my opinion division of Croat and Serb ethnic lands went trough central Bosnia also, so you can find both genetic profiles there among local population.
You are monkey mixed whit who knows what..not sure how u decide what are you ...Stfu
Pribislav
05-14-2019, 03:43 PM
Not even close. This person is ploting alike average Croat and no amount of lies and propaganda from you German mongrel and Pribislav can change that.
Western Serbs=/=Croats
Ayetoney father is good example of pure western Serb, plotting north of Serbian average and still nowhere near Croats. Cope.
Is this Serb who is from same region as HungryLion "German mongrel"? https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?285755-Serb-from-Banija-K15-Eurogenes
https://i.imgur.com/0SPuOLR.png
Of course we are not like you. Unlike you mongrels we are not mixed with foreigners. You are mix of few nations, Leeloo is mix of 5-6 nations, Rococop is Italian admixed, one former Croatian user here has Swabian patetnal line... Every second Croatoan is mixed with foreigners, I know a lot of such cases from real life.
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
05-14-2019, 03:45 PM
You are monkey mixed whit who knows what..not sure how u decide what are you ...Stfu
I am mixed but I am not a propagandist unlike you. My maternal side has roots in northeastern Bosnia and looks that it was pretty southern shifted-possibly being genetically Serbian.
If that's true, I got no problem with that.
You are mixed also, it's pretty obvious.
HungryLion
05-14-2019, 03:45 PM
Is this Serb who is from same region as HungryLion "German mongrel"? https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?285755-Serb-from-Banija-K15-Eurogenes
https://i.imgur.com/0SPuOLR.png
Of course we are not like you. Unlike you mongrels we are not mixed with foreogners. You are mix of few nations, Leello is mix of 5-6 nations, Rococop is Italian admixed, one former Croatian user here has Swabian patetnal line... Every second Croatoan is mixed with foreigners, I know a lot of such cases from real life.
He is lost case anyway...
HungryLion
05-14-2019, 03:47 PM
I am mixed but I am not a propagandist unlike you. My maternal side has roots in northeastern Bosnia and looks that it was pretty southern shifted-possibly being genetically Serbian.
If that's true, I got no problem with that.
You are mixed also, it's pretty obvious.
I guess if I say I am not it's not going to change anything.
Everyone can find out family roots, I did that, and there is nothing foregin there..Just a lot of R1a and I2a, as my dna said.
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
05-14-2019, 03:50 PM
Is this Serb who is from same region as HungryLion "German mongrel"? https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?285755-Serb-from-Banija-K15-Eurogenes
https://i.imgur.com/0SPuOLR.png
Of course we are not like you. Unlike you mongrels we are not mixed with foreigners. You are mix of few nations, Leeloo is mix of 5-6 nations, Rococop is Italian admixed, one former Croatian user here has Swabian patetnal line... Every second Croatoan is mixed with foreigners, I know a lot of such cases from real life.
How aren't you mixed when Hungry Lion is genetically part German ? Or Mortimer, who is half-Gypsy.
Commonsense was part Croat and part Romanian, Stears said this girl Lena is part Hungarian.....not mixed my ass. Every European nation is mixed including yours, get over it.
And Bosniensis is part Gorani. He is muslim Serb right ? :rolleyes:
This guy plots very NW for a Serb but still inside variation - naturally since Banija is most NW region where ethnic Serbs settled except those in Slovenia.
HungyrLion isn't inside variation - he has clear and undeniable foreign admixture. Ph2ter told him that also and he is totally apolitical guy.
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
05-14-2019, 03:51 PM
I guess if I say I am not it's not going to change anything.
Everyone can find out family roots, I did that, and there is nothing foregin there..Just a lot of R1a and I2a, as my dna said.
Lot of kids in the past were result of extra maritial affairs.
HungryLion
05-14-2019, 03:55 PM
Lot of kids in the past were result of extra maritial affairs.
So you are going to tell me that I am mixed even if I am not..cool :D
Told u I am not mixed..If you really want I am closse to this bosnians just bit western, anyway in my region is strong slavic Dna, I don't see anything strange there.
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
05-14-2019, 04:42 PM
So you are going to tell me that I am mixed even if I am not..cool :D
Told u I am not mixed..If you really want I am closse to this bosnians just bit western, anyway in my region is strong slavic Dna, I don't see anything strange there.
If you were strong Slavic admixed you would pull northeast towards Ukrainians and Belarusians man. But you pull towards Germans.
And your K36 central euro which is extremely high is big clue.
Pribislav
05-14-2019, 04:48 PM
Serbs are migrants into Bosnia. Serbs have migrated into many places in the Balkans... Croatia, Bosnia, Vojvodina, Kosovo, Albania, Macedonia but Serbs claim Albos as migrants into Kosovo ... Serbs are more propgandists than Noel Malcolm who is actually too careful.... He says people of Bosnia weren't really Serbs or Croats but just Bosnians and that some became Serbs and Croats later.. and that some Serbs were Orthodox Vlachs from Southern Balkans that settled in Bosnia .... Serbs claim that all people of Bosnia were just Croats which isn't even true and there is no evidence for this.... It's also true that some Serbs did migrate into Bosnia ... you can see this by the fact that some of them get Albanian Ghegs as relatives ... I get some Serbian matches from Republika Srpska myself.
It's also true that some Bosniaks are Islamised Serbs... i.e they mingled with Bosniak Muslims. But I don't think this accounts for all Bosniaks.
Not sure what the problem of Serbs is to depict other people as migrants when you are probably the biggest migrants in the Balkans.
Bosnian Serbs ploting more northern autosomally and have higher R1a than Serbs from Serbia, monkey shiptar idiot!
Y dna of Bosnian Serbs - 59% of lines are Slavic (I2+R1a), and 70% are northern (I2+R1a+I1+N).
https://i.imgur.com/11TNVjt.png
Pribislav
05-14-2019, 04:51 PM
Most of Muslims from Central Bosnian are descendants of Herzegovinian vlachs (social caste). Ottomans settled them to Central Bosnia from Herzegovina and gave them land and privilegies for conversion on Islam.
In late 17th century some Muslim refugees (Muhacirs) from Vojvodina, Slavonia and Hungary settled to Central Bosnia. Among these settlers there was islamized Hungarians, Slovaks, Rusyns and even Germans, and that is reason by Central Bosnian Muslims ploting more northern than Herzegovinian and Bosanska Krajina ones.
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In Central Bosnia were present Saxon miners. Some of the probably converted on Islam when Ottomans arrived.
Bosniensis
05-14-2019, 04:55 PM
All western balkan nations are just religious tribes with a whiff of cultural differences.
It just came to be that Serbs have absorbed the most of populace due Orthodox Christianity was State religion in Roman Empire.
Illyrian Tribes are (Croats, Serbs, Bosniaks, Montenegrins etc..)
Vlachs are Ex-Hellenized/Romanized Illyrian people who after the collapse of Empire were exiled from cities (hence they became a social state stockherders)
I don't want to say We are all the same, because Balkan tribes always fought because of religious and cultural reasons since EVER and nobody
succeeded to unite them.
So please stop with that Who is Croat or who is Serb or Bosniak... those are RELIGIOUS/CULTURAL identities not GENETIC ones.
Illyrian Tribes never formed nations, we are still tribal even if we pose as NATIONS... whole world is laughing at us.
Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
05-14-2019, 06:13 PM
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In Central Bosnia were present Saxon miners. Some of the probably converted on Islam when Ottomans arrived.
This person has nothing western, it's pure Slavo-Vlach.
Cumansky
05-14-2019, 07:10 PM
Not even trolling, this guy is Polish.
Pole
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 2.3
2 Slovenian 2.76
3 Croatian 2.8
4 Austrian 3.47
# Population Percent
1 NE_European 54.77
2 Mediterranean 25.41
3 Caucasian 13.04
4 SW_Asian 3.93
5 Horn_Of_Africa 1.31
6 S_African 0.87
7 Siberian 0.67
Bosniak
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 2.46
2 Croatian 3.02
3 Austrian 3.04
4 Slovenian 3.41
# Population Percent
1 NE_European 53.57
2 Mediterranean 26.18
3 Caucasian 10.75
4 SW_Asian 5.25
5 Siberian 1.21
6 Horn_Of_Africa 0.66
7 Omo_River 0.53
8 Beringian 0.52
9 Oceanian 0.52
10 Amerindian 0.41
11 Wht_Nile_River 0.39
Cumansky
05-14-2019, 07:15 PM
Puntdnal K15 right there, let me know if you want see the other calc.
Pole is even closer to Hungarian, Slovenian, Croatian reference. Bosniak is 0.43 closer to Austrian reference.
All western balkan nations are just religious tribes with a whiff of cultural differences.
It just came to be that Serbs have absorbed the most of populace due Orthodox Christianity was State religion in Roman Empire.
Illyrian Tribes are (Croats, Serbs, Bosniaks, Montenegrins etc..)
Vlachs are Ex-Hellenized/Romanized Illyrian people who after the collapse of Empire were exiled from cities (hence they became a social state stockherders)
I don't want to say We are all the same, because Balkan tribes always fought because of religious and cultural reasons since EVER and nobody
succeeded to unite them.
So please stop with that Who is Croat or who is Serb or Bosniak... those are RELIGIOUS/CULTURAL identities not GENETIC ones.
Illyrian Tribes never formed nations, we are still tribal even if we pose as NATIONS... whole world is laughing at us.
Das rite. Who wants to be 100% of anything? We’re all exotic mongrels. Chicks love exotic meat
Pribislav
05-14-2019, 08:59 PM
This person has nothing western, it's pure Slavo-Vlach.
There is other Bosniak from Central Bosnia. Somebody posted his K15 here.
He is western as HungryLion, but more southern than HungryLion.
War Chef
01-02-2020, 03:21 PM
That's very little North-Atlantic.
Bosniaks are very close to Ukrainians.
I found this with no kitnumber,
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 36.86
2 North_Atlantic 22.55
3 West_Med 12.99
4 East_Med 11.14
5 West_Asian 9.82
6 Red_Sea 3.61
7 Oceanian 1.13
8 Siberian 0.89
9 South_Asian 0.88
10 Sub-Saharan 0.07
11 East_Asian 0.06
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.49
2 Croatian 5.46
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.53
4 Ukrainian 10.1
5 Hungarian 10.35
6 South_Polish 10.48
7 Serbian 10.53
8 Southwest_Russian 12.11
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.2
10 Polish 13.14
11 Romanian 13.28
12 Russian_Smolensk 14.13
13 Bulgarian 14.67
14 East_German 14.79
15 Austrian 14.8
16 Estonian_Polish 14.8
17 Belorussian 15.54
18 Kargopol_Russian 16.37
19 Erzya 17.22
20 Tatar 18.68
vbnetkhio
03-12-2020, 08:11 PM
2 Sandzak Bosniaks
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 28.06
2 Baltic 23.66
3 East_Med 17.56
4 West_Med 17.53
5 West_Asian 8.86
6 Red_Sea 2.27
7 Siberian 1.43
8 Amerindian 0.57
9 East_Asian 0.04
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 4.03
2 Serbian 4.24
3 Bulgarian 6.6
4 Hungarian 11.23
5 Moldavian 11.53
6 Greek_Thessaly 12.92
7 Austrian 12.99
8 Croatian 13.46
9 North_Italian 13.48
10 Tuscan 14.85
11 East_German 15.15
12 French 15.62
13 West_German 15.66
14 South_Dutch 17.13
15 Portuguese 17.22
16 Italian_Abruzzo 17.79
17 Spanish_Galicia 17.8
18 Spanish_Cataluna 18.36
19 Spanish_Extremadura 18.59
20 West_Sicilian 19.11
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79% Serbian + 21% Tuscan @ 1.64
2 77.4% Serbian + 22.6% North_Italian @ 1.67
3 81% Romanian + 19% French @ 1.74
4 63.2% Hungarian + 36.8% West_Sicilian @ 1.83
5 62.5% Tuscan + 37.5% Southwest_Russian @ 1.84
6 62.9% Tuscan + 37.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.89
7 72.9% Bulgarian + 27.1% South_Dutch @ 1.92
8 50.1% Greek_Thessaly + 49.9% Austrian @ 1.97
9 57.7% Tuscan + 42.3% South_Polish @ 1.97
10 66.3% Greek_Thessaly + 33.7% North_Swedish @ 1.99
11 68% Hungarian + 32% South_Italian @ 2.07
12 54.1% Greek_Thessaly + 45.9% East_German @ 2.08
13 78.5% Bulgarian + 21.5% Southeast_English @ 2.1
14 83.2% Romanian + 16.8% South_Dutch @ 2.11
15 84.2% Romanian + 15.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.13
16 71.3% Bulgarian + 28.7% West_German @ 2.17
17 58.9% Tuscan + 41.1% Ukrainian @ 2.18
18 84.9% Romanian + 15.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.18
19 64.1% Tuscan + 35.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.18
20 79.9% Bulgarian + 20.1% Southwest_English @ 2.19
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 26
2 Baltic 24.89
3 West_Med 19.84
4 East_Med 17
5 West_Asian 7.93
6 Red_Sea 2.96
7 South_Asian 1.39
8 Siberian 0.01
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 4.46
2 Serbian 4.88
3 Bulgarian 6.27
4 Moldavian 10.95
5 Hungarian 12.15
6 Greek_Thessaly 12.57
7 Croatian 12.96
8 North_Italian 13.82
9 Austrian 13.97
10 Tuscan 15.27
11 East_German 15.78
12 French 17.02
13 West_German 17.48
14 Portuguese 17.87
15 Spanish_Galicia 18.12
16 Italian_Abruzzo 18.43
17 South_Dutch 18.77
18 Spanish_Extremadura 19.09
19 Spanish_Cataluna 19.14
20 West_Sicilian 19.28
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.9% Serbian + 11.1% Sardinian @ 1.75
2 54.2% Croatian + 45.8% Tuscan @ 2.03
3 57.8% Tuscan + 42.2% Ukrainian @ 2.18
4 63.1% Tuscan + 36.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.34
5 56.3% Tuscan + 43.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.36
6 63.5% Tuscan + 36.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.42
7 67.6% Tuscan + 32.4% Lithuanian @ 2.43
8 62.1% Tuscan + 37.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.52
9 61.7% Tuscan + 38.3% Southwest_Russian @ 2.52
10 58.6% Moldavian + 41.4% Tuscan @ 2.53
11 60.1% Croatian + 39.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.72
12 55.9% Greek_Thessaly + 44.1% East_German @ 2.83
13 61% Tuscan + 39% Polish @ 2.88
14 64.1% Tuscan + 35.9% Belorussian @ 2.92
15 55.1% West_Sicilian + 44.9% Polish @ 2.98
16 78% Serbian + 22% North_Italian @ 3.06
17 87.1% Romanian + 12.9% Southwest_French @ 3.08
18 51% West_Sicilian + 49% South_Polish @ 3.08
19 51.9% West_Sicilian + 48.1% Ukrainian @ 3.08
20 57% Tuscan + 43% South_Polish @ 3.11
vbnetkhio
05-07-2020, 06:56 PM
academic samples from Sarajevo:
https://i.imgur.com/0Po5rFl.png
the average doesn't include the first 2 samples.
vbnetkhio
04-18-2021, 08:58 PM
here are some Bosniaks from proper Bosnia. (without Krajina and Herzegovina).
Family1 is a group of relatives uploaded to gedmatch by the same account. I've seen 2 of their family trees.
Family2 is another such family, I didn't see their family trees, but they are close relatives of family1, so they must be from the same region.
_North_AtlanticBalticWest_MedWest_AsianEast_MedRed _SeaSouth_AsianEast_AsianSiberianAmerindianOceania nNortheast_AfrSub_Saharan
family222.8041.1313.867.4113.030.000.770.000.700.0 90.200.000.00
family225.6439.0415.305.2013.440.000.770.150.460.0 00.000.000.00
family219.1033.6915.7714.1711.901.062.740.001.340. 000.000.240.00
family231.3033.4513.506.988.681.454.640.000.000.00 0.000.000.00
family228.8733.3513.367.1614.550.890.000.001.750.0 60.000.000.00
family223.4733.0815.6110.1412.751.233.330.000.300. 000.000.090.00
family229.6931.8913.358.2511.800.803.140.001.020.0 00.000.000.00
family227.8931.3917.4411.857.061.350.340.001.430.6 30.000.620.00
family224.6331.1313.6911.6412.321.643.400.001.210. 330.000.000.00
family222.8730.7918.7410.8111.952.290.000.002.150. 000.400.000.00
family225.2530.7218.8010.7912.480.000.240.070.790. 830.000.000.00
family124.4537.6613.919.1311.690.110.000.600.410.5 50.000.860.63
family124.3937.4913.253.2117.241.940.690.001.590.2 00.000.000.00
family122.8237.2617.078.4411.231.140.400.400.081.1 50.000.000.00
family128.5535.8411.238.859.551.862.430.620.001.05 0.000.000.00
family128.9935.2812.637.1810.461.552.210.050.001.5 60.100.000.00
family127.8135.2814.156.7210.550.512.020.440.002.4 60.060.000.00
family128.1235.2614.885.9711.762.410.600.440.000.0 00.000.550.00
family125.8834.9615.318.2811.720.000.730.541.140.2 01.240.000.00
family127.5133.7916.428.9111.160.000.000.000.990.6 20.000.590.00
family124.6331.1313.6911.6412.321.643.400.001.210. 330.000.000.00
Bosniak21.4436.8711.8011.1714.941.050.460.001.360. 000.790.000.12
Bosniak22.5536.8612.999.8211.143.610.880.060.890.0 01.130.000.07
Bosniak27.2236.5114.2112.117.250.310.000.750.950.0 00.000.160.53
Bosniak25.3232.8214.728.0317.200.000.000.750.001.0 60.060.000.00
Bosniak28.2831.9014.107.7813.902.050.000.360.950.0 00.480.000.20
Bosniak23.7531.6816.4810.0112.911.931.790.000.390. 460.160.440.00
avg25.6734.4514.688.9512.041.141.300.190.780.430.1 70.130.06
the academic samples from Sarajevo and Zavidovici are from this same region, but they are different.
they are significantly less Slavic, and have small bits of recent Middle Eastern dna, according to the study.
I think it's a difference between rural and urban Bosniaks.
CommonSense
04-18-2021, 09:35 PM
The genetic diversity they exibit for such a small nation, even without Sandzak, is astounding. Some of them are straight up like northern (!) Croats and Hungarians.
The genetic diversity they exibit for such a small nation, even without Sandzak, is astounding. Some of them are straight up like northern (!) Croats and Hungarians.
These might be descendants of medieval Slavonians. Irony is that muslims Bosniaks may have more old Slavonian ancestry than Croats, because oldest Slavonian Croats (Šokci) are descendants of Bosnian Catholics.
Medieval Slavonians were probably north Croat and Hungarian like. After area was freed from Turks, islamised locals were massively expelled south to Bosnia.
Kaspias
04-18-2021, 09:42 PM
here are some Bosniaks from proper Bosnia. (without Krajina and Herzegovina).
Family1 is a group of relatives uploaded to gedmatch by the same account. I've seen 2 of their family trees.
Family2 is another such family, I didn't see their family trees, but they are close relatives of family1, so they must be from the same region.
North_AtlanticBalticWest_MedWest_AsianEast_MedRed_ SeaSouth_AsianEast_AsianSiberianAmerindianOceanian Northeast_AfrSub_Saharan
family222.8041.1313.867.4113.030.000.770.000.700.0 90.200.000.00
family225.6439.0415.305.2013.440.000.770.150.460.0 00.000.000.00
family219.1033.6915.7714.1711.901.062.740.001.340. 000.000.240.00
family231.3033.4513.506.988.681.454.640.000.000.00 0.000.000.00
family228.8733.3513.367.1614.550.890.000.001.750.0 60.000.000.00
family223.4733.0815.6110.1412.751.233.330.000.300. 000.000.090.00
family229.6931.8913.358.2511.800.803.140.001.020.0 00.000.000.00
family227.8931.3917.4411.857.061.350.340.001.430.6 30.000.620.00
family224.6331.1313.6911.6412.321.643.400.001.210. 330.000.000.00
family222.8730.7918.7410.8111.952.290.000.002.150. 000.400.000.00
family225.2530.7218.8010.7912.480.000.240.070.790. 830.000.000.00
family124.4537.6613.919.1311.690.110.000.600.410.5 50.000.860.63
family124.3937.4913.253.2117.241.940.690.001.590.2 00.000.000.00
family122.8237.2617.078.4411.231.140.400.400.081.1 50.000.000.00
family128.5535.8411.238.859.551.862.430.620.001.05 0.000.000.00
family128.9935.2812.637.1810.461.552.210.050.001.5 60.100.000.00
family127.8135.2814.156.7210.550.512.020.440.002.4 60.060.000.00
family128.1235.2614.885.9711.762.410.600.440.000.0 00.000.550.00
family125.8834.9615.318.2811.720.000.730.541.140.2 01.240.000.00
family127.5133.7916.428.9111.160.000.000.000.990.6 20.000.590.00
family124.6331.1313.6911.6412.321.643.400.001.210. 330.000.000.00
Bosniak21.4436.8711.8011.1714.941.050.460.001.360. 000.790.000.12
Bosniak22.5536.8612.999.8211.143.610.880.060.890.0 01.130.000.07
Bosniak27.2236.5114.2112.117.250.310.000.750.950.0 00.000.160.53
Bosniak25.3232.8214.728.0317.200.000.000.750.001.0 60.060.000.00
Bosniak28.2831.9014.107.7813.902.050.000.360.950.0 00.480.000.20
Bosniak23.7531.6816.4810.0112.911.931.790.000.390. 460.160.440.00
avg25.6734.4514.688.9512.041.141.300.190.780.430.1 70.130.06
the academic samples from Sarajevo and Zavidovici are from this same region, but they are different.
they are significantly less Slavic, and have small bits of recent Middle Eastern dna, according to the study.
I think it's a difference between rural and urban Bosniaks.
East Asian scores? :confused:
Will we get some updated Bosniak averages with this?
vbnetkhio
04-18-2021, 09:45 PM
The genetic diversity they exibit for such a small nation, even without Sandzak, is astounding. Some of them are straight up like northern (!) Croats and Hungarians.
family2 is suspicious since they don't have a family tree, but even without them the average is the same, 34 Baltic, like Slovenians.
edit: it's actually 35% Baltic without them!
Ayetooey
04-18-2021, 09:45 PM
East Asian scores? :confused:
Columns are misaligned, that's South Asia with the occasional high scores.
Kaspias
04-18-2021, 09:46 PM
Columns are misaligned, that's South Asia with the occasional high scores.
Ah yes, thanks for noting.
CommonSense
04-18-2021, 09:51 PM
These might be descendants of medieval Slavonians. Irony is that muslims Bosniaks may have more old Slavonian ancestry than Croats, because oldest Slavonian Croats (okci) are descendants of Bosnian Catholics.
Medieval Slavonians were probably north Croat and Hungarian like. After area was freed from Turks, islamised locals were massively expelled south to Bosnia.
It is possible. Muslims were expelled from both Slavonia and Hungary and many of them found refuge in Bosnia. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense for some Bosniaks to have such outlying results compared to the other two Bosnian ethnic groups. In particular Bosnian Croats since Bosnian Serbs are mostly from Herzegovina/Montenegro/Raka.
vbnetkhio
04-18-2021, 09:54 PM
Will we get some updated Bosniak averages with this?
should it be without family2?
should it be without family2?
Oh, I think you should decide. I trust your judgement.
Varda
04-18-2021, 09:58 PM
It is possible. Muslims were expelled from both Slavonia and Hungary and many of them found refuge in Bosnia. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense for some Bosniaks to have such outlying results compared to the other two Bosnian ethnic groups. In particular Bosnian Croats since Bosnian Serbs are mostly from Herzegovina/Montenegro/Raška.
Muslims who moved from Slavonia to Bosnia in late 17th century were mostly descendants of settlers from Bosnia and other southern regions in 1530e when Ottomans conquered Slavonia, not descendants of medieval islamized Slavonians. In late 17th century they just returned to Bosnia after 160 years.
Medieval Slavonians were kaykavians like NW Croatians and Slovenians. There is no linguistic kaykavian trace among Muslims who arrived to the Bosnia in late 17th century from Slavonia.
vbnetkhio
04-18-2021, 10:02 PM
Oh, I think you should decide. I trust your judgement.
let's do without for now.
i'll give the mail if sombody wants to message them, they are a very interesting case.
Muslims who moved from Slavonia to Bosnia in late 17th century were mostly descendants of settlers from Bosnia and other southern regions in 1530e when Ottomans conquered Slavonia, not descendants of medieval islamized Slavonians. In late 17th century they just returned to Bosnia after 160 years.
Medieval Slavonians were kaykavians like NW Croatians and Slovenians. There is no linguistic kaykavian trace among Muslims who arrived to the Bosnia in late 17th century from Slavonia.
I don't know, Slavonia wasn't empty when Ottomans came (although it was lowly populated), and I never heard locals escaped Turks somewhere. So probably some converted to Islam.
Dialect isn't best thing to determine ancestry. These things can change in few generations.
Or maybe these settlers from Bosnia (I haven't heard for it btw but possible as settlers from BiH came to Hungary, like my family, so why would Slavonia be exception) came from Posavina or Soli/Usora which are defacto Panonnian regions and had same population like old Slavonia and Hungary?
Just speculating, but perhaps Panonnian Slavs extended south to (bosnian) Posavina and Mačva. Ethnic history of these lowlands is not clear to me.
Real Bosnia (geographically) starts around Doboj ("vrata Bosne")
I wonder if Vlatko fucking Vukovic is a match of any of them. I don't even know if that mofo is still on Gedmatch. At least we saved some of his results.
vbnetkhio
04-18-2021, 10:05 PM
I wonder if Vlatko fucking Vukovic is a match of any of them. I don't even know if that mofo is still on Gedmatch. At least we saved some of his results.
Do you know which part of Bosnia he's from?
let's do without for now.
i'll give the mail if sombody wants to message them, they are a very interesting case.
Cool!
Perhaps Kaspias should, they'd probably rather share info to Pomak/Turk than to us (if they are Bosniaks) :P
Do you know which part of Bosnia he's from?
I think he said his parents were from different parts of Bosnia.
I often mention him because I kinda like his results, quite balanced, even with some Mongoloid cherry on top of the cake :cool:
Do you know which part of Bosnia he's from?
From what I know, he is from east Bosnia and east Herzegovina (but born Sarajlija). Somebody correct me if wrong.
Varda
04-18-2021, 10:11 PM
I don't know, Slavonia wasn't empty when Ottomans came (although it was lowly populated), and I never heard locals escaped Turks somewhere. So probably some converted to Islam.
Dialect isn't best thing to determine ancestry. These things can change in few generations.
Or maybe these settlers from Bosnia (I haven't heard for it btw but possible as settlers from BiH came to Hungary, like my family, so why would Slavonia be exception) came from Posavina or Soli/Usora which are defacto Panonnian regions and had same population like old Slavonia and Hungary?
Just speculating, but perhaps Panonnian Slavs extended south to Posavina and Mačva. Ethnic history of these lowlands is not clar to me.
Probably some medieval Slavonians stayed under the Ottomans and converted on islam, but small number. According to Ottoman defters Slavonia was almost empty when Ottomans come.
During the 16th century under the Ottoman rule new population from Bosnia, Herzegovina, Raška etc. arrived to Slavonia. Many of that settlers converted to islam.
Look at your paternal ancestors. They settled to Slavonia in 16th century from Popovo Polje in Herzegovina as Ottoman martolos, converted on islam in Slavonia, and in late 17th century they escaped to Dubica when Austrians took Slavonia.
vbnetkhio
04-18-2021, 10:15 PM
Will we get some updated Bosniak averages with this?
here it is:
Bosniak_Bosnia,25.73,35.04,14.18,8.58,12.19,1.26,0 .98,0.31,0.62,0.60,0.25,0.16,0.10
i already made something like this before, but I didn't have the family tree for family1, and I also got 2 new results since then.
here it is:
Bosniak_Bosnia,25.73,35.04,14.18,8.58,12.19,1.26,0 .98,0.31,0.62,0.60,0.25,0.16,0.10
i already made something like this before, but I didn't have the family tree for family1, and I also got 2 new results since then.
Cool! Should old average stay? And Sandžak one, you added new samples to it?
Distance to: Bosniak_Bosnia
1.56163376 Croat_East
2.81209886 Moldova_North
3.29699864 Croat
3.49164718 Bosniak
4.00857830 Croat_South
4.41583514 Ukrainian_Carpathian
4.71554875 Hungarian_Alföld
4.82586780 Croat_West
5.12096671 Croat_North
5.22025861 Moldova_Centre
5.45078893 Moldova_average
5.61677844 Serb_north
5.72807996 Hungarian_Northern
5.80510982 Hungarian
5.98485589 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.49907686 Csángó-Ceangău
6.68534965 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.72713907 Slovenian
7.20150679 Serb
7.28224553 Székely
7.29778734 Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely
7.33277574 Serb_central
7.41681873 Slovak
7.46067021 Ukrainian_Galicia
7.72583329 Moldova_Ukrainian
vbnetkhio
04-18-2021, 10:23 PM
Cool! Should old average stay?
yes, to represent the other regions.
And Sandžak one, you added new samples to it?
That's Mingle's domain, he has more samples than me.
Varda
04-18-2021, 10:23 PM
Probably some medieval Slavonians stayed under the Ottomans and converted on islam, but small number. According to Ottoman defters Slavonia was almost empty when Ottomans come.
During the 16th century under the Ottoman rule new population from Bosnia, Herzegovina, Raška etc. arrived to Slavonia. Many of that settlers converted to islam.
Look at your paternal ancestors. They settled to Slavonia in 16th century from Popovo Polje in Herzegovina as Ottoman martolos, converted on islam in Slavonia, and in late 17th century they escaped to Dubica when Austrians took Slavonia.
I have seen document about Serbs who settled in eastern Slavonia in 16th century from Polimlje (Raška). They are older layer of Serbian population in region. Other Serbs there come from Serbia in 1690 with partiarch Arsenije Čarnojević, or later in 18th and 19th century from various regions.
For Serbs from western Slavonia is considered they are mostly descendants of settlers from Bosnia in 16th century.
I have seen document about Serbs who settled in eastern Slavonia in 16th century from Polimlje (Raka). They are older layer of Serbian population in region. Other Serbs there come from Serbia in 1690 with partiarch Arsenije Čarnojević, or later in 18th and 19th century from various regions.
For Serbs from western Slavonia is considered they are mostly descendants of settlers from Bosnia in 16th century.
Interesting, I didn't know that, but I saw some maps of Slavo-Serbia in Slavonia (and maybe part of south Hungary, don't remember anymore), maybe those are from 16th century.
yes, to represent the other regions.
That's Mingle's domain, he has more samples than me.
Makes sense, thanks.
Here are Vlatko Vuković results, they fit very well with new average you made.
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.38
2 North_Atlantic 24.45
3 West_Med 15.36
4 East_Med 11.97
5 West_Asian 8.24
6 Red_Sea 2.1
7 Siberian 1.61
8 Amerindian 0.89
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.03
2 Croatian 3.84
3 Hungarian 8.25
4 Serbian 8.35
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.19
6 Ukrainian 10.35
7 South_Polish 10.49
8 Romanian 11.41
9 Austrian 12.7
10 East_German 12.82
11 Bulgarian 13.11
12 Southwest_Russian 13.47
13 Polish 13.63
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.9
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.36
16 Estonian_Polish 15.77
17 Belorussian 16.54
18 Kargopol_Russian 17.46
19 Erzya 18.86
20 Tatar 19.45
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.8% Ukrainian + 26.2% Central_Greek @ 1.78
2 68.1% Ukrainian + 31.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.83
3 74.6% Ukrainian + 25.4% East_Sicilian @ 1.86
4 76.5% Ukrainian + 23.5% South_Italian @ 1.89
5 56% Ukrainian + 44% Bulgarian @ 1.95
6 59.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 40.9% Bulgarian @ 2.03
7 54.7% Bulgarian + 45.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.06
8 70.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.12
9 79% Ukrainian + 21% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.2
10 61.7% Bulgarian + 38.3% Lithuanian @ 2.29
11 54% Bulgarian + 46% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.29
12 79.2% Ukrainian + 20.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.31
13 58.3% Romanian + 41.7% Estonian_Polish @ 2.34
14 76.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.6% Central_Greek @ 2.34
15 78.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 21.1% South_Italian @ 2.36
16 79.1% Ukrainian + 20.9% Italian_Jewish @ 2.39
17 81.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 18.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.4
18 81.1% Ukrainian + 18.9% Cyprian @ 2.42
19 52.6% Ukrainian + 47.4% Romanian @ 2.42
20 77.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.8% East_Sicilian @ 2.44
Distance to: Vlatko_Vuković
2.33908102 Moldova_North
2.49695815 Bosniak_Bosnia
2.97931200 Croat_East
3.88749277 Bosniak
4.55938592 Croat
4.62691042 Croat_South
4.94420873 Ukrainian_Carpathian
5.27978219 Moldova_Centre
5.38522980 Moldova_average
5.81515262 Serb_north
5.90623399 Hungarian_Alföld
6.01506442 Croat_West
6.31660510 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.38607078 Croat_North
7.06160039 Csángó-Ceangău
7.09909149 Hungarian_Northern
7.12096201 Hungarian
7.25647986 Serb
7.46533321 Serb_central
7.98961826 Ukrainian_Galicia
7.99046932 Slovenian
8.00566674 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
8.03950869 Székely
8.08660003 Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely
8.14520104 Moldova_Ukrainian
Varda
04-18-2021, 10:33 PM
Interesting, I didn't know that, but I saw some maps of Slavo-Serbia in Slavonia (and maybe part of south Hungary, don't remember anymore), maybe those are from 16th century.
Among present day Serbs from eastern Slavonia descendants of settlers in 16th century are in minority. Most of them came later, from late 17th to the late 19th century. In late 19th century some Serbs from Ozren and Majevica moved to eastern Slavonia, for example in that migration came ancestors of Siniša Mahailović. After WW2 Serbs from Lika colonized Slavonia, not big number.
It seems on average Serbs are present for the longer period in western Slavonia than in eastern Slavonia.
Vlatko is ca. 75% Nordo-Slavic.
Duan
04-18-2021, 10:37 PM
Vlatko is ca. 75% Nordo-Slavic.
Did you get orgasm on his northernes?
Muslim remains Muslim, even with 100% "Nordo-Slavic".
Among present day Serbs from eastern Slavonia descendants of settlers in 16th century are in minority. Most of them came later, from late 17th to the late 19th century. In late 19th century some Serbs from Ozren and Majevica moved to eastern Slavonia, for example in that migration came ancestors of Siniša Mahailović. After WW2 Serbs from Lika colonized Slavonia, not big number.
It seems on average Serbs are present for the longer period in western Slavonia than in eastern Slavonia.
Probably because eastern Slavonia was a swamp in medieval and almost unpopulated. Lot of disease and malaria.
Only decently populated part of modern day Slavonia before Ottomans was western, Požega valley (also known as golden valley by Romans because it has good conditions to live)
Also in medieval what was known as Slavonia (totorszag in Hungarian) was mostly NW and central Croatia (Zagreb, Križevci, Sisak etc)
Varda
04-18-2021, 10:42 PM
Probably because eastern Slavonia was a swamp in medieval and almost unpopulated. Lot of disease and malaria.
Only decently populated part of modern day Slavonia before Ottomans was western, Požega valley (also known as golden valley by Romans because it has good conditions to live)
Also in medieval what was known as Slavonia (totorszag in Hungarian) was mostly NW and central Croatia (Zagreb, Križevci, Sisak etc)
Present day populations of eastern Slavonia of all ethnicities mostly match with populations of Vojvodina by period when they settled in both regions. Western Slavonia is different story.
Did you get orgasm on his northernes?
Muslim remains Muslim, even with 100% "Nordo-Slavic".
They are just converted fucks, so that doesn't matter. I mean I'm very anti-Islam myself but I don't want it to cloud my judgement when it's irrelevant. It's not like Vlatko is an ISIS fighter or anything like that. I don't even know if he believes in God in the first place.
Ion Basescul
04-18-2021, 10:50 PM
East Asian scores? :confused:
4-5% combined East Asian is perfectly normal for Bosniaks :rolleyes:
Varda
04-18-2021, 10:54 PM
They are just converted fucks, so that doesn't matter. I mean I'm very anti-Islam myself but I don't want it to cloud my judgement when it's irrelevant. It's not like Vlatko is an ISIS fighter or anything like that. I don't even know if he believes in God in the first place.
If i remember well Vlatko is more formally muslim. He even don't like Turks (quite rare for a Bosniak!). He said his deep paternal origin is somewhere from Montenegro, from there they migrated to Herzegovina, and finally to the Bosnia.
On the other hand Bosniensis (29% Baltic or something) is extreme islamic and pro-Ottoman.
If i remember well Vlatko is more formally muslim. He even don't like Turks (quite rare for a Bosniak!). He said his deep paternal origin is somewhere from Montenegro, from there they migrated to Herzegovina, and finally to the Bosnia.
On the other hand Bosniensis (29% Baltic or something) is extreme islamic and pro-Ottoman.
Bosniensis is 1/4 Gorani (Kosovo Slavic muslim).
There is another user who is of muslim family origin but has Croatian identity, he plots more north than Vlatko.
RogueState
04-18-2021, 11:01 PM
If i remember well Vlatko is more formally muslim. He even don't like Turks (quite rare for a Bosniak!). He said his deep paternal origin is somewhere from Montenegro, from there they migrated to Herzegovina, and finally to the Bosnia.
On the other hand Bosniensis (29% Baltic or something) is extreme islamic and pro-Ottoman.
You can find many "Yugonostalgic" "komunjare" "Titoist" among Bosnia_Bosniaks, that look down on their Ottoman-Islamic culture
Varda
04-18-2021, 11:01 PM
Bosniensis is 1/4 Gorani (Kosovo muslim).
There is another user who is of muslim family origin but has Croatian identity, he plots more north than Vlatko.
Vlatko know that his paternal line came to Sarajevo area from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bileća
I know his surname, it's quite common among Serbs from Bileća and around. But Serbs from Bileća with his surname are tested as R1a, and Vlatko is I2a.
Deeper origin from Montenegro is more legend in his family.
Bosniensis is 1/4 Gorani (Kosovo Slavic muslim).
There is another user who is of muslim family origin but has Croatian identity, he plots more north than Vlatko.
Ljubic? Is he really that Slavic?
Ljubic? Is he really that Slavic?
He's not even fully Croat, but part Serb, German, Czech and Bulgarian :)
Maks Luburić is user I am talking about. I never saw his results but Hrvoje did, and from what he told me he has similar results like me with myheritage raw data.
He can't send me his results because he's banned here and can't access his inbox. That guy never shared them in public.
He is from west Herzegovina and NW Bosnia and in phenotype swarthy/balkan looking, but very northern genetically.
Varda
04-18-2021, 11:11 PM
You can find many "Yugonostalgic" "komunjare" "Titoist" among Bosnia_Bosniaks, that look down on their Ottoman-Islamic culture
User Vlatko even dislike Sandžakians. He said he doesn't recognized them as part of own ethnicity.
Nigga Bosniensis (from Bihać) is more pro-Ottoman than any Turkksh user here. He dislike modern Turkey because it's secular and gave up from Ottoman heritage according to him. On his avatar was often Omer paša Latas. Bosniensis worship Omer paša Latas, because he destroyed Bosnian and Herzegovinian begovat in the name of holy sultan. :)
User Vlatko even dislike Sandžakians. He said he doesn't recognized them as part of own ethnicity.
Nigga Bosniensis (from Bihać) is more pro-Ottoman than any Turkksh user here. He dislike modern Turkey because it's secular and gave up from Ottoman heritage according to him. On his avatar was often Omer paša Latas. Bosniensis worship Omer paša Latas, because he destroyed Bosnian and Herzegovinian begovat in the name of holy sultan. :)
Omer Paša Latas was a Serb from Janja Gora, he wasn't even from Bosnia (it's close to the Bihać though).
Varda
04-18-2021, 11:19 PM
Omer Paša Latas was a Serb from Janja Gora, he wasn't even from Bosnia (it's close to the Bihać though).
I know, he was in Austrian military service before escaped to Bosnia and converted on islam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omer_Pasha#Early_life
Many Bosniaks hate Omer paša Latas, but Bosniensis worship him. xD
I know one Serb from Plaški with surname Latas.
RogueState
04-18-2021, 11:19 PM
User Vlatko even dislike Sandžakians. He said he doesn't recognized them as part of own ethnicity.
Nigga Bosniensis (from Bihać) is more pro-Ottoman than any Turkksh user here. He dislike modern Turkey because it's secular and gave up from Ottoman heritage according to him. On his avatar was often Omer paša Latas. Bosniensis worship Omer paša Latas because he destroyed Bosnian and Herzegovinian begovat in the name of holy sultan. :)
Did this Vlatko tell you why he disliked us ?
Regarding Bosniensis, I think he is a bit trolling but in the end, until Erdogan came (early 2000s), between its creation and during Cold War period, the modern Turkish republic was built against the Ottoman-Islamic heritage, and was pretty isolationist and neglected its old Ottoman sphere of influence (Balkans, Caucasus, Levant, Central Asia) because also of geopolitical divide of Cold War (communist countries vs NATO-alliance countries which Turkey was member)
So from that perspective, we Balkan Muslims, can feel a certain nostalgia of Ottoman past (which is the starting point of our history-culture) and disdain for modern Turkish Republic, up until Erdogan's leadership that restored Neo-Ottoman foreign policies (economical, trade, business, diplomatical, cultural, religious partnerships between Turkey and former Ottoman regions, in order to strengthen ties in both sides)
I know, he was in Austrian military service before escaped to Bosnia and converted on islam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omer_Pasha#Early_life
Many Bosniaks hate Omer paa Latas, but Bosniensis worship him. xD
I know one Serb from Plaki with surname Latas.
He was very capable, one of best careers ever for a foreign muslim in Ottoman Empire. After conversion to Islam, he came to hill above Janja Gora to watch his village many times, but never returned home.
I know that because my ex father is from Janja Gora.
Varda
04-18-2021, 11:28 PM
Did this Vlatko tell you why he disliked us ?
Regarding Bosniensis, I think he is a bit trolling but in the end, until Erdogan came (early 2000s), between its creation and during Cold War period, the modern Turkish republic was built against the Ottoman-Islamic heritage, and was pretty isolationist and neglected its old Ottoman sphere of influence (Balkans, Caucasus, Levant, Central Asia) because also of geopolitical divide of Cold War (communist countries vs NATO-alliance countries which Turkey was member)
So from that perspective, we Balkan Muslims, can feel a certain nostalgia of Ottoman past (which is the starting point of our history-culture) and disdain for modern Turkish Republic, up until Erdogan's leadership that restored Neo-Ottoman foreign policies (economical, trade, business, diplomatical, cultural, religious partnerships between Turkey and former Ottoman regions, in order to strengthen ties in both sides)
He said that Sandžakians are alien for him culturally and by mentality, and doesn't recognized them as own ethnicity. He had a conflict with other Bosniak user because of that and his anti-Turkish attitudes.
Varda
04-18-2021, 11:37 PM
He was very capable, one of best careers ever for a foreign muslim in Ottoman Empire. After conversion to Islam, he came to hill above Janja Gora to watch his village many times, but never returned home.
I know that because my ex father is from Janja Gora.
Omer paa was probably I2-S17250*
Several Serbian families from Lika with rare slava Sv. Vrači carry this haplo (Sv. Vrači is slava of Latas family). We will see in the future.
RogueState
04-18-2021, 11:49 PM
He said that Sandžakians are alien for him culturally and by mentality, and doesn't recognized them as own ethnicity. He had a conflict with other Bosniak user because of that and his anti-Turkish attitudes.
It's true that there are mentality differences, we are more "tribal" (helping each other family), have a "honor" and "macho-patriarchal" mentality (this comes from our Montenegrin-Albanian background, from principles of Cojstvo i Junastvo, or Albanian "Besa"), more socially conservative regarding women, more religious; compared to Bosnia_Bosniaks who are for us more naive, dumb, weak, being submitted to their women.
https://youtu.be/Ny9UMqoc2fk?t=222
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTOaPnPauxc
But these are general stereotypes, not all of us are like that nor all Bosnia_Bosniaks are like that
This type of mentality differences is often found among tribal highlanders people all around the world, it's a general anthropological feature
Varda
04-18-2021, 11:56 PM
It's true that there are mentality differences, we are more "tribal" (helping each other family), have a "honor" and "macho-patriarchal" mentality (this comes from our Montenegrin-Albanian background, from principles of Cojstvo i Junastvo, or Albanian "Besa"), more socially conservative regarding women, more religious; compared to Bosnia_Bosniaks who are for us more naive, dumb, weak, being submitted to their women.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTOaPnPauxc
But these are general stereotypes, not all of us are like that nor all Bosnia_Bosniaks are like that
This type of mentality differences is often found among tribal highlanders people all around the world, it's a general anthropological feature
That is Elvedin Pezić lool
RogueState
04-19-2021, 12:04 AM
That is Elvedin Pezić lool
Sounds familiar to certain people here :D
Varda
04-19-2021, 03:15 PM
He was very capable, one of best careers ever for a foreign muslim in Ottoman Empire. After conversion to Islam, he came to hill above Janja Gora to watch his village many times, but never returned home.
I know that because my ex father is from Janja Gora.
Maybe Omer paša can be consider for Bosniak, regardless Bosniak nation is created in 1990s. Every Serb, Croatian or Montenegrin who took islam becomes Bosniak, because Bosniak is umbrella for "Serbo-Croatian" speaking muslim. xD
Mehmed paša Sokolović is born as a Orthodox Serb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokollu_Mehmed_Pasha#Biography
Bosniaks consider him for Bosniak.
Maybe Omer paša can be consider for Bosniak, regardless Bosniak nation is created in 1990s. Every Serb, Croatian or Montenegrin who took islam becomes Bosniak, because Bosniak is umbrella for "Serbo-Croatian" speaking muslim. xD
Mehmed paša Sokolović is born as a Orthodox Serb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokollu_Mehmed_Pasha#Biography
Bosniaks consider him for Bosniak.
What happens to those who come/return to Christ? Serbian Orthodox churches are not welcoming to ex-Muslims and Catholics?
Nurzat
04-19-2021, 05:20 PM
Bosniak Moldovan friendship :cool:
Moldova's best known poet's surname was Eminović, pure Bosniak last name.
there is a village called Bosanci (Bosanč) in Moldova region, which means 'Bosniaks'. maybe 19th century colonists, who knows.
Duan
04-19-2021, 06:33 PM
here it is:
Bosniak_Bosnia,25.73,35.04,14.18,8.58,12.19,1.26,0 .98,0.31,0.62,0.60,0.25,0.16,0.10
i already made something like this before, but I didn't have the family tree for family1, and I also got 2 new results since then.
Both Bosnian Serb averages (East Bosnia and Bosnian Krajina) are closer to all Serb regional averages (with exception Montenegrin) than to Bosnian Muslim average.
Distance to: Serb_B&H_Bosnia_Proper
1.59777971 Serb_Croatia_north
1.80333025 Serb_B&H_Krajina
2.38631515 Serb_Croatia_south
2.50173939 Serb_Serbia_west
2.95147421 Serb_Serbia_central
3.46476550 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.25241108 Serb_Herzegovina
4.70993631 Serb_Serbia_south
4.81553735 Bosniak_Bosnia
7.53132790 Serb_Montenegro_South
Distance to: Serb_B&H_Krajina
1.47922277 Serb_Croatia_north
1.80333025 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_Proper
2.39438927 Serb_Serbia_west
2.74694376 Serb_Croatia_south
3.03298533 Serb_Serbia_central
3.15093637 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
3.78174563 Serb_Herzegovina
3.98947365 Serb_Serbia_south
5.46534537 Bosniak_Bosnia
6.91756460 Serb_Montenegro_South
CommonSense
04-20-2021, 11:56 AM
Priboj municipality (Sandžak) + Sarajevo/east Bosnia:
Kit H774522
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.43
2 North_Atlantic 28.51
3 West_Med 13.05
4 East_Med 12.72
5 Red_Sea 4.55
6 West_Asian 4.43
7 South_Asian 2.29
8 Oceanian 1.3
9 Northeast_African 0.37
10 Siberian 0.35
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 6.26
2 Croatian 6.54
3 Moldavian 7.28
4 Serbian 7.83
5 Austrian 9.83
6 East_German 10.31
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.29
8 South_Polish 11.5
9 Romanian 11.89
10 Ukrainian 12.63
11 Bulgarian 14.2
12 Polish 14.68
13 Southwest_Russian 15.83
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.45
15 West_German 16.53
16 Russian_Smolensk 16.91
17 Estonian_Polish 17.22
18 Belorussian 17.52
19 South_Dutch 17.82
20 Southwest_Finnish 18.49
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.7% Belorussian + 41.3% Tuscan @ 3.22
2 59.2% Estonian_Polish + 40.8% Tuscan @ 3.59
3 52.6% Lithuanian + 47.4% Tuscan @ 3.66
4 57.7% Estonian + 42.3% West_Sicilian @ 3.75
5 59.7% Russian_Smolensk + 40.3% Tuscan @ 3.77
6 62.4% Belorussian + 37.6% West_Sicilian @ 3.92
7 72.5% Polish + 27.5% Italian_Jewish @ 4.08
8 66.8% Polish + 33.2% West_Sicilian @ 4.09
9 72.5% Polish + 27.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.1
10 63.4% Polish + 36.6% Tuscan @ 4.22
11 64.2% Estonian + 35.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.26
12 64.1% Estonian + 35.9% Italian_Jewish @ 4.27
13 54% Estonian + 46% Tuscan @ 4.3
14 79.1% South_Polish + 20.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.33
15 56.8% Belorussian + 43.2% North_Italian @ 4.36
16 77.7% South_Polish + 22.3% Italian_Jewish @ 4.39
17 79.1% South_Polish + 20.9% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.39
18 63% Estonian_Polish + 37% West_Sicilian @ 4.39
19 72.4% Serbian + 27.6% Belorussian @ 4.41
20 77.8% South_Polish + 22.2% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.41
Priboj municipality (Sandžak) + Sarajevo/east Bosnia:
Kit H774522
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.43
2 North_Atlantic 28.51
3 West_Med 13.05
4 East_Med 12.72
5 Red_Sea 4.55
6 West_Asian 4.43
7 South_Asian 2.29
8 Oceanian 1.3
9 Northeast_African 0.37
10 Siberian 0.35
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 6.26
2 Croatian 6.54
3 Moldavian 7.28
4 Serbian 7.83
5 Austrian 9.83
6 East_German 10.31
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.29
8 South_Polish 11.5
9 Romanian 11.89
10 Ukrainian 12.63
11 Bulgarian 14.2
12 Polish 14.68
13 Southwest_Russian 15.83
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.45
15 West_German 16.53
16 Russian_Smolensk 16.91
17 Estonian_Polish 17.22
18 Belorussian 17.52
19 South_Dutch 17.82
20 Southwest_Finnish 18.49
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.7% Belorussian + 41.3% Tuscan @ 3.22
2 59.2% Estonian_Polish + 40.8% Tuscan @ 3.59
3 52.6% Lithuanian + 47.4% Tuscan @ 3.66
4 57.7% Estonian + 42.3% West_Sicilian @ 3.75
5 59.7% Russian_Smolensk + 40.3% Tuscan @ 3.77
6 62.4% Belorussian + 37.6% West_Sicilian @ 3.92
7 72.5% Polish + 27.5% Italian_Jewish @ 4.08
8 66.8% Polish + 33.2% West_Sicilian @ 4.09
9 72.5% Polish + 27.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.1
10 63.4% Polish + 36.6% Tuscan @ 4.22
11 64.2% Estonian + 35.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.26
12 64.1% Estonian + 35.9% Italian_Jewish @ 4.27
13 54% Estonian + 46% Tuscan @ 4.3
14 79.1% South_Polish + 20.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.33
15 56.8% Belorussian + 43.2% North_Italian @ 4.36
16 77.7% South_Polish + 22.3% Italian_Jewish @ 4.39
17 79.1% South_Polish + 20.9% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.39
18 63% Estonian_Polish + 37% West_Sicilian @ 4.39
19 72.4% Serbian + 27.6% Belorussian @ 4.41
20 77.8% South_Polish + 22.2% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.41
Very northern shifted for someone who is half (?) From Sandzak. Below average west Asian but very high Red Sea and south Asian score too.
Looks minor part Gypsy but is part Sandzaklija and still so northern, his Sarajevo half was what, Slovak like?
Interesting results.
CommonSense
04-20-2021, 12:07 PM
Very northern shifted for someone who is half (?) From Sandzak. Below average west Asian but very high Red Sea and south Asian score too.
Looks minor part Gypsy but is half Sandzaklija and still so northern, his Sarajevo half was what, Slovak like?
Interesting results.
I compared our MyOrigins, he doesn't score any South Asian there, so it's safe to say he doesn't have any recent admix.
And Priboj is the most geographically western municipalty in Sandžak, the muslims there don't have any Albanian ancestry. If his maternal side is akin to those two families vbnetkhio posted, then I'd say the results aren't that surprising.
Varda
04-20-2021, 12:16 PM
I compared our MyOrigins, he doesn't score any South Asian there, so it's safe to say he doesn't have any recent admix.
And Priboj is the most geographically western municipalty in Sandžak, the muslims there don't have any Albanian ancestry. If his maternal side is akin to those two families vbnetkhio posted, then I'd say the results aren't that surprising.
Do you have some full western Sandžakian result?
CommonSense
04-20-2021, 12:29 PM
Do you have some full western Sandžakian result?
This girl is from Prijepolje, her oracles are in the video description and the admixture components in the comments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYNXMoCVbFI
Perhaps Mingle knows more examples, this is the only one I could personally think of.
^^^^so this are her results
1 North_Atlantic 30,50
2 Baltic 26,38
3 West_Med 16,14
4 East_Med 13,60
5 West_Asian 10,35
6 Red_Sea 1,32
7 South_Asian 1,18
1. Hungarian_Transylvania 4,50
2. Székely 4,74
3. Csángó-Ceangău 5,95
4. Romania_Crisana 5,99
5. Croat_West 6,34
6. Serb_central 6,82
7. Romania_Maramures 7,04
8. Croat_south 7.19
9. Romania_Transylvania 7,31
10. Romania_Moldavia_North 7,50
11. Montenegrin 7,53
12. Croat 7,93
13. Hungarian 7,97
14. Romania_average 8,35
15. Bosniak 8,50
16. Moldova_Centre 8,57
17. Bosniak_Sandžak 8,64
18. Moldova_average 8,72
19. Serb_south 8,90
Pretty similar to what moje ime scores if I'm not mistaken, considering high North Atlantic and NW Euro she scroes on Myheritage she could have some Saxon ancestry.
Varda
04-20-2021, 12:44 PM
This girl is from Prijepolje, her oracles are in the video description and the admixture components in the comments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYNXMoCVbFI
Perhaps Mingle knows more examples, this is the only one I could personally think of.
One of her comments:
Exactly, you got it right im from Prijepolje but one of my paternal ancestors was a Bosniak from Hungary. We know that Bosniaks were governors all around Ottoman empire, especially Balkan part of Empire so this isnt something strange. Besides this all my other ancestors are from Sandak and i have relatives in south-eastern Sandak as well, like Berane in Montenegro for example.
CommonSense
04-20-2021, 12:57 PM
One of her comments:
Exactly, you got it right im from Prijepolje but one of my paternal ancestors was a Bosniak from Hungary. We know that Bosniaks were governors all around Ottoman empire, especially Balkan part of Empire so this isnt something strange. Besides this all my other ancestors are from Sandžak and i have relatives in south-eastern Sandžak as well, like Berane in Montenegro for example.
"Bosniak from Hungary" is either some distant founder of her line or a family myth. I don't undestand though if she meant to say if her ancestry is partially from Berane, or simply that she has relatives living there.
Varda
04-20-2021, 01:03 PM
^^^^so this are her results
1 North_Atlantic 30,50
2 Baltic 26,38
3 West_Med 16,14
4 East_Med 13,60
5 West_Asian 10,35
6 Red_Sea 1,32
7 South_Asian 1,18
1. Hungarian_Transylvania 4,50
2. Székely 4,74
3. Csángó-Ceangău 5,95
4. Romania_Crisana 5,99
5. Croat_West 6,34
6. Serb_central 6,82
7. Romania_Maramures 7,04
8. Croat_south 7.19
9. Romania_Transylvania 7,31
10. Romania_Moldavia_North 7,50
11. Montenegrin 7,53
12. Croat 7,93
13. Hungarian 7,97
14. Romania_average 8,35
15. Bosniak 8,50
16. Moldova_Centre 8,57
17. Bosniak_Sandžak 8,64
18. Moldova_average 8,72
19. Serb_south 8,90
Pretty similar to what moje ime scores if I'm not mistaken, considering high North Atlantic and NW Euro she scroes on Myheritage she could have some Saxon ancestry.
Moje ime https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?69684-Eurogenes-K13&p=5183732&viewfull=1#post5183732
CommonSense
04-24-2021, 12:48 PM
Two Bosniak sisters from Cazin:
Kit JK3451251
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.43
2 North_Atlantic 27.98
3 East_Med 14.58
4 West_Med 13.14
5 West_Asian 9.6
6 Oceanian 1.26
7 East_Asian 0.59
8 Northeast_African 0.58
9 Amerindian 0.53
10 Red_Sea 0.23
11 South_Asian 0.08
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.25
2 Moldavian 5.8
3 Hungarian 6.07
4 Croatian 6.64
5 Romanian 8.8
6 Austrian 10.31
7 Bulgarian 11
8 East_German 11.42
9 South_Polish 12.6
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.65
11 Ukrainian 13.72
12 Polish 16.36
13 West_German 16.51
14 Southwest_Russian 16.78
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.97
16 South_Dutch 18.24
17 Russian_Smolensk 18.55
18 Estonian_Polish 19.12
19 Belorussian 19.41
20 North_German 19.56
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.1% South_Polish + 32.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.76
2 79.3% Serbian + 20.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.91
3 59.6% Romanian + 40.4% South_Polish @ 2.94
4 79.3% Serbian + 20.7% Southwest_Russian @ 2.99
5 71.4% South_Polish + 28.6% South_Italian @ 3
6 74.1% Serbian + 25.9% South_Polish @ 3.04
7 81.8% Serbian + 18.2% Belorussian @ 3.08
8 84.9% Serbian + 15.1% Lithuanian @ 3.08
9 68.3% South_Polish + 31.7% Central_Greek @ 3.1
10 74.4% South_Polish + 25.6% Italian_Jewish @ 3.12
11 81.3% Serbian + 18.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.16
12 53.7% Bulgarian + 46.3% South_Polish @ 3.16
13 66% Bulgarian + 34% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.18
14 79.4% Serbian + 20.6% Polish @ 3.19
15 84.6% Serbian + 15.4% Estonian @ 3.21
16 73.7% Romanian + 26.3% Estonian @ 3.21
17 81.9% Serbian + 18.1% Estonian_Polish @ 3.22
18 76.3% Serbian + 23.7% Ukrainian @ 3.22
19 58.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 41.9% Tuscan @ 3.26
20 66.2% Romanian + 33.8% Polish @
Kit XY7644300
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.47
2 North_Atlantic 24.14
3 East_Med 17.92
4 West_Med 13.77
5 West_Asian 10.05
6 Red_Sea 1.04
7 Oceanian 0.59
8 Siberian 0.56
9 East_Asian 0.23
10 Amerindian 0.22
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.48
2 Moldavian 6.95
3 Romanian 7.09
4 Bulgarian 8.28
5 Croatian 9.04
6 Hungarian 10.09
7 Austrian 14.38
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.85
9 South_Polish 15.36
10 East_German 15.56
11 Ukrainian 15.85
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.01
13 Southwest_Russian 18.24
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.49
15 Polish 18.9
16 West_German 20.23
17 Russian_Smolensk 20.48
18 Estonian_Polish 20.93
19 Belorussian 21.35
20 North_Italian 21.73
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.7% Bulgarian + 27.3% Belorussian @ 2.32
2 71.4% South_Polish + 28.6% Cyprian @ 2.46
3 69.6% Bulgarian + 30.4% Southwest_Russian @ 2.48
4 52.8% Belorussian + 47.2% Central_Greek @ 2.64
5 76.7% Bulgarian + 23.3% Lithuanian @ 2.64
6 70% Bulgarian + 30% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.67
7 72.6% Bulgarian + 27.4% Estonian_Polish @ 2.68
8 72.2% Bulgarian + 27.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.78
9 57% Belorussian + 43% South_Italian @ 2.82
10 60.9% Southwest_Russian + 39.1% South_Italian @ 2.85
11 56.2% Southwest_Russian + 43.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.87
12 83.3% Croatian + 16.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.89
13 76.7% Bulgarian + 23.3% Estonian @ 2.91
14 51.8% Greek_Thessaly + 48.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.96
15 56.8% Southwest_Russian + 43.2% Central_Greek @ 2.98
16 52.2% Greek_Thessaly + 47.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.03
17 64.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 35.7% Italian_Jewish @ 3.03
18 52.2% Central_Greek + 47.8% Lithuanian @ 3.05
19 55.8% Greek_Thessaly + 44.2% Belorussian @ 3.05
20 52.1% Lithuanian + 47.9% South_Italian @ 3.06
Results of their mother:
Kit KW7966512
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.52
2 North_Atlantic 28.27
3 West_Med 16.86
4 East_Med 15.26
5 West_Asian 8.69
6 Oceanian 1.16
7 East_Asian 1.09
8 Amerindian 0.14
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.31
2 Romanian 6.51
3 Moldavian 7.63
4 Hungarian 7.77
5 Bulgarian 8.85
6 Croatian 8.97
7 Austrian 10.44
8 East_German 12.01
9 West_German 15.42
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.53
11 South_Polish 15.54
12 Ukrainian 16.53
13 South_Dutch 17.02
14 Greek_Thessaly 17.05
15 French 17.15
16 North_Italian 17.73
17 Polish 19.32
18 Tuscan 19.77
19 North_German 20
20 Southwest_Russian 20.21
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.1% Bulgarian + 41.9% East_German @ 2.6
2 88.7% Serbian + 11.3% East_German @ 2.96
3 53.8% Hungarian + 46.2% Bulgarian @ 2.98
4 56.2% South_Polish + 43.8% Tuscan @ 3
5 54.6% Bulgarian + 45.4% Austrian @ 3.02
6 54.6% Ukrainian + 45.4% Tuscan @ 3.03
7 88.3% Serbian + 11.7% Austrian @ 3.03
8 84.7% Serbian + 15.3% Hungarian @ 3.04
9 92.3% Serbian + 7.7% South_Polish @ 3.05
10 87.1% Serbian + 12.9% Croatian @ 3.06
11 92.9% Serbian + 7.1% Ukrainian @ 3.07
12 95.9% Serbian + 4.1% La_Brana-1 @ 3.07
13 72.7% Bulgarian + 27.3% North_Swedish @ 3.08
14 95.1% Serbian + 4.9% Swedish @ 3.1
15 94.3% Serbian + 5.7% Polish @ 3.1
16 95.1% Serbian + 4.9% Southeast_English @ 3.11
17 95.1% Serbian + 4.9% North_Swedish @ 3.11
18 69.9% Croatian + 30.1% Tuscan @ 3.11
19 95.9% Serbian + 4.1% Estonian @ 3.11
20 95.6% Serbian + 4.4% Norwegian @ 3.12
Varda
04-24-2021, 04:51 PM
Two Bosniak sisters from Cazin:
Kit JK3451251
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.43
2 North_Atlantic 27.98
3 East_Med 14.58
4 West_Med 13.14
5 West_Asian 9.6
6 Oceanian 1.26
7 East_Asian 0.59
8 Northeast_African 0.58
9 Amerindian 0.53
10 Red_Sea 0.23
11 South_Asian 0.08
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.25
2 Moldavian 5.8
3 Hungarian 6.07
4 Croatian 6.64
5 Romanian 8.8
6 Austrian 10.31
7 Bulgarian 11
8 East_German 11.42
9 South_Polish 12.6
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.65
11 Ukrainian 13.72
12 Polish 16.36
13 West_German 16.51
14 Southwest_Russian 16.78
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.97
16 South_Dutch 18.24
17 Russian_Smolensk 18.55
18 Estonian_Polish 19.12
19 Belorussian 19.41
20 North_German 19.56
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.1% South_Polish + 32.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.76
2 79.3% Serbian + 20.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.91
3 59.6% Romanian + 40.4% South_Polish @ 2.94
4 79.3% Serbian + 20.7% Southwest_Russian @ 2.99
5 71.4% South_Polish + 28.6% South_Italian @ 3
6 74.1% Serbian + 25.9% South_Polish @ 3.04
7 81.8% Serbian + 18.2% Belorussian @ 3.08
8 84.9% Serbian + 15.1% Lithuanian @ 3.08
9 68.3% South_Polish + 31.7% Central_Greek @ 3.1
10 74.4% South_Polish + 25.6% Italian_Jewish @ 3.12
11 81.3% Serbian + 18.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.16
12 53.7% Bulgarian + 46.3% South_Polish @ 3.16
13 66% Bulgarian + 34% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.18
14 79.4% Serbian + 20.6% Polish @ 3.19
15 84.6% Serbian + 15.4% Estonian @ 3.21
16 73.7% Romanian + 26.3% Estonian @ 3.21
17 81.9% Serbian + 18.1% Estonian_Polish @ 3.22
18 76.3% Serbian + 23.7% Ukrainian @ 3.22
19 58.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 41.9% Tuscan @ 3.26
20 66.2% Romanian + 33.8% Polish @
Kit XY7644300
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.47
2 North_Atlantic 24.14
3 East_Med 17.92
4 West_Med 13.77
5 West_Asian 10.05
6 Red_Sea 1.04
7 Oceanian 0.59
8 Siberian 0.56
9 East_Asian 0.23
10 Amerindian 0.22
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.48
2 Moldavian 6.95
3 Romanian 7.09
4 Bulgarian 8.28
5 Croatian 9.04
6 Hungarian 10.09
7 Austrian 14.38
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.85
9 South_Polish 15.36
10 East_German 15.56
11 Ukrainian 15.85
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.01
13 Southwest_Russian 18.24
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.49
15 Polish 18.9
16 West_German 20.23
17 Russian_Smolensk 20.48
18 Estonian_Polish 20.93
19 Belorussian 21.35
20 North_Italian 21.73
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.7% Bulgarian + 27.3% Belorussian @ 2.32
2 71.4% South_Polish + 28.6% Cyprian @ 2.46
3 69.6% Bulgarian + 30.4% Southwest_Russian @ 2.48
4 52.8% Belorussian + 47.2% Central_Greek @ 2.64
5 76.7% Bulgarian + 23.3% Lithuanian @ 2.64
6 70% Bulgarian + 30% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.67
7 72.6% Bulgarian + 27.4% Estonian_Polish @ 2.68
8 72.2% Bulgarian + 27.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.78
9 57% Belorussian + 43% South_Italian @ 2.82
10 60.9% Southwest_Russian + 39.1% South_Italian @ 2.85
11 56.2% Southwest_Russian + 43.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.87
12 83.3% Croatian + 16.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.89
13 76.7% Bulgarian + 23.3% Estonian @ 2.91
14 51.8% Greek_Thessaly + 48.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.96
15 56.8% Southwest_Russian + 43.2% Central_Greek @ 2.98
16 52.2% Greek_Thessaly + 47.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.03
17 64.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 35.7% Italian_Jewish @ 3.03
18 52.2% Central_Greek + 47.8% Lithuanian @ 3.05
19 55.8% Greek_Thessaly + 44.2% Belorussian @ 3.05
20 52.1% Lithuanian + 47.9% South_Italian @ 3.06
Results of their mother:
Kit KW7966512
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.52
2 North_Atlantic 28.27
3 West_Med 16.86
4 East_Med 15.26
5 West_Asian 8.69
6 Oceanian 1.16
7 East_Asian 1.09
8 Amerindian 0.14
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.31
2 Romanian 6.51
3 Moldavian 7.63
4 Hungarian 7.77
5 Bulgarian 8.85
6 Croatian 8.97
7 Austrian 10.44
8 East_German 12.01
9 West_German 15.42
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.53
11 South_Polish 15.54
12 Ukrainian 16.53
13 South_Dutch 17.02
14 Greek_Thessaly 17.05
15 French 17.15
16 North_Italian 17.73
17 Polish 19.32
18 Tuscan 19.77
19 North_German 20
20 Southwest_Russian 20.21
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.1% Bulgarian + 41.9% East_German @ 2.6
2 88.7% Serbian + 11.3% East_German @ 2.96
3 53.8% Hungarian + 46.2% Bulgarian @ 2.98
4 56.2% South_Polish + 43.8% Tuscan @ 3
5 54.6% Bulgarian + 45.4% Austrian @ 3.02
6 54.6% Ukrainian + 45.4% Tuscan @ 3.03
7 88.3% Serbian + 11.7% Austrian @ 3.03
8 84.7% Serbian + 15.3% Hungarian @ 3.04
9 92.3% Serbian + 7.7% South_Polish @ 3.05
10 87.1% Serbian + 12.9% Croatian @ 3.06
11 92.9% Serbian + 7.1% Ukrainian @ 3.07
12 95.9% Serbian + 4.1% La_Brana-1 @ 3.07
13 72.7% Bulgarian + 27.3% North_Swedish @ 3.08
14 95.1% Serbian + 4.9% Swedish @ 3.1
15 94.3% Serbian + 5.7% Polish @ 3.1
16 95.1% Serbian + 4.9% Southeast_English @ 3.11
17 95.1% Serbian + 4.9% North_Swedish @ 3.11
18 69.9% Croatian + 30.1% Tuscan @ 3.11
19 95.9% Serbian + 4.1% Estonian @ 3.11
20 95.6% Serbian + 4.4% Norwegian @ 3.12
You earlier posted several Bosniak results from Cazinska Krajina who got no1 Serbian. I have seen few such Bosniak results from other parts of Bosanska Krajina.
It seems many Bosanska Krajina Bosniak are Serbian like, regardless they are most western Bosniaks.
I said several times that Bosanska Krajina Muslims are mostly descendants of islamized settlers from southeastern regions in 16th century including Serbian core territories like East Herzegovina, Montenegro and Raka. Bosniensis as descendant of settlers from Bileća is not exception in Cazinska Krajina. Bosanska Krajina Bosniaks have solid % of N-P189.2 (from Banjani) and J2b1-M205 (from Kriči), and Bosniaks from other parts of Bosnia are almost lack of these haplos.
CommonSense
04-24-2021, 06:05 PM
You earlier posted several Bosniak results from Cazinska Krajina who got no1 Serbian. I have seen few such Bosniak results from other parts of Bosanska Krajina.
It seems many Bosanska Krajina Bosniak are Serbian like, regardless they are most western Bosniaks.
I said several times that Bosanska Krajina Muslims are mostly descendants of islamized settlers from southeastern regions in 16th century including Serbian core territories like East Herzegovina, Montenegro and Raška. Bosniensis as descendant of settlers from Bileća is not exception in Cazinska Krajina. Bosanska Krajina Bosniaks have solid % of N-P189.2 (from Banjani) and J2b1-M205 (from Kriči), and Bosniaks from other parts of Bosnia are almost lack of these haplos.
We need more results to form a clear picture of the genetics of Bosniaks from that region, but it does seem to me that the number of them who descend from the pre-Ottoman population must be lower than what is generally thought. I doubt the pre-Ottoman (Croatian) population of those parts was any different from modern-day northern Croats. If so many Bosniaks have results such as these, and the fact that those from central Bosnia are likewise different, the only place the majority their ancestors could have come from is the eastern Dinaric region or in simpler words - the core of the old Serbian medieval state.
Ayetooey
04-24-2021, 06:09 PM
Bosniak from North/Central Bosnia. (Duhri, Bosanska Dubica).
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/552233702378307594/834858478005780491/unknown.png
Varda
04-24-2021, 06:43 PM
We need more results to form a clear picture of the genetics of Bosniaks from that region, but it does seem to me that the number of them who descend from the pre-Ottoman population must be lower than what is generally thought. I doubt the pre-Ottoman (Croatian) population of those parts was any different from modern-day northern Croats. If so many Bosniaks have results such as these, and the fact that those from central Bosnia are likewise different, the only place the majority their ancestors could have come from is the eastern Dinaric region or in simpler words - the core of the old Serbian medieval state.
Croatian population of Bosanska Krajina migrated because of Ottoman looting campaigns and later conquest. They escaped in Gorski Kotar, Istria, Kvarner, western part of Lika, Burgenland, western Hungary, NW Croatia etc.
When Ottomans conquered Bosanska Krajina it was almost empty land. Ottoman sources talk about it.
Hasan paša Predojević conquered Bihać in 1592 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telli_Hasan_Pasha
He brought settlers from his native region East Herzegovina on empty land of Cazinska Krajina, they were Muslims and Orthodoxes. Interesting in Bosanska Krajina exist Serbs with surname Predojević who also originated from Serbian clan Predojević from Bileća area, same as Hasan paša.
CommonSense
04-24-2021, 07:16 PM
Here's another one who's similar to Serbs. I posted his results before, though nobody reacted. I don't where exactly in Bosnia he is from, all I can tell from the info he left is that he's fully Bosniak with ancestors from Bosnia:
Kit YR4702010
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.79
2 North_Atlantic 24.51
3 West_Med 18.21
4 East_Med 13.23
5 West_Asian 11.2
6 Oceanian 1.07
7 Amerindian 0.94
8 Siberian 0.06
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.24
2 Serbian 5.83
3 Romanian 7.44
4 Croatian 7.79
5 Bulgarian 9
6 Hungarian 9.65
7 Austrian 12.95
8 East_German 13.91
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.09
10 South_Polish 15
11 Ukrainian 15.25
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.73
13 Polish 18.42
14 Southwest_Russian 18.71
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.82
16 West_German 18.91
17 North_Italian 20.4
18 South_Dutch 20.41
19 Russian_Smolensk 20.5
20 French 20.74
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.2% Croatian + 45.8% Bulgarian @ 3.17
2 67% Moldavian + 33% Bulgarian @ 3.22
3 62.3% Moldavian + 37.7% Romanian @ 3.36
4 91.3% Moldavian + 8.7% Sardinian @ 3.41
5 84.7% Moldavian + 15.3% Tuscan @ 3.45
6 77.7% Croatian + 22.3% Central_Greek @ 3.47
7 64.2% Bulgarian + 35.8% Ukrainian @ 3.49
8 81.6% Moldavian + 18.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.49
9 86.2% Moldavian + 13.8% Central_Greek @ 3.52
10 88.1% Moldavian + 11.9% South_Italian @ 3.52
11 62.2% Bulgarian + 37.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.53
12 86% Moldavian + 14% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.54
13 83.9% Moldavian + 16.1% North_Italian @ 3.56
14 86.8% Moldavian + 13.2% West_Sicilian @ 3.56
15 80.6% Croatian + 19.4% South_Italian @ 3.59
16 51.5% Romanian + 48.5% Croatian @ 3.59
17 71.5% Croatian + 28.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.61
18 68.7% Bulgarian + 31.3% Polish @ 3.64
19 87.4% Moldavian + 12.6% East_Sicilian @ 3.71
20 63.9% Bulgarian + 36.1% South_Polish @ 3.71
Varda
04-27-2021, 02:18 PM
Bosniak from Bosanska Krajina.
https://i.ibb.co/g3zvcHN/20200401-164958-4.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/ctvpcgq/20200401-164944.jpg
Varda
04-27-2021, 02:58 PM
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Sandakian Bosniak from Tutin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutin,_Serbia
https://i.ibb.co/jzPvjmg/20200331-234829.jpg
RogueState
04-27-2021, 05:46 PM
^ Interesting how different these results are from mainstream Bosnia Bosniaks
And yet some people in my region are brainwashing themselves into believing they are regular Bosniaks lol
Varda
04-27-2021, 05:50 PM
^ Interesting how different these results are from mainstream Bosnia Bosniaks
And yet some people in my region are brainwashing themselves into believing they are regular Bosniaks lol
He is J2b.
He is closer to Greeks from Thessaly than to Serbs, regardless his ancestors lived in Serbia many generations. xD
Varda
04-27-2021, 06:15 PM
Croatian population of Bosanska Krajina migrated because of Ottoman looting campaigns and later conquest. They escaped in Gorski Kotar, Istria, Kvarner, western part of Lika, Burgenland, western Hungary, NW Croatia etc.
When Ottomans conquered Bosanska Krajina it was almost empty land. Ottoman sources talk about it.
Hasan paa Predojević conquered Bihać in 1592 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telli_Hasan_Pasha
He brought settlers from his native region East Herzegovina on empty land of Cazinska Krajina, they were Muslims and Orthodoxes. Interesting in Bosanska Krajina exist Serbs with surname Predojević who also originated from Serbian clan Predojević from Bileća area, same as Hasan paa.
On Serbian dna project there is a two Serbs with surname Predojević, from Luci Palanka and Brdari near Sanski Most in B. Krajina and both are R1a-YP951.
Hasan paa Predojević was also connected with Luci Palanka. This R1a-YP951 might be y dna of Hasan paa.
He is J2b.
He is closer to Greeks from Thessaly than to Serbs, regardless his ancestors lived in Serbia many generations. xD
Old Eurogenes Oracles are outdated and irrelevant.
Distance to: Bosniak_Tutin
2.86776917 Macedonian_North
2.91262768 Bulgaria_Southcentral
2.99304193 Macedonian_South
3.00607718 Macedonian
3.28851030 Bulgaria_Southeastern
3.36353980 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
3.37189857 Bulgaria_average
3.72162599 Bulgaria_Northcentral
3.89805079 Bulgaria_Northeastern
4.02858536 Bulgaria_Southwestern
4.11721994 Romania_Muntenia
4.13337634 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
4.15476834 Pomak_Bulgaria
4.40432742 Romania_Wallachia
4.51662485 Romania_Dobruja
4.81554774 Bosniak_Sandzak
5.08288304 Bulgaria_Northwestern
5.21082527 Romania_Oltenia
5.34897186 Romania_Banat
5.35204634 Greek_Northern-Thrace
5.59250391 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
5.98340204 Albanian_Gheg
6.07168840 Pomak_Greece
6.15373058 Romania_average
6.26797415 Moldova_South
I met a guy from Tutin few days ago in Dubrovnik, he told me some very interesting stuff.
For example, that Sandzak Bosniaks and Albanians can't stand each other.
His sister married for Albanian and that was huge scandal in their family.
Varda
04-27-2021, 06:38 PM
Old Eurogenes Oracles are outdated and irrelevant.
Distance to: Bosniak_Tutin
2.86776917 Macedonian_North
2.91262768 Bulgaria_Southcentral
2.99304193 Macedonian_South
3.00607718 Macedonian
3.28851030 Bulgaria_Southeastern
3.36353980 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
3.37189857 Bulgaria_average
3.72162599 Bulgaria_Northcentral
3.89805079 Bulgaria_Northeastern
4.02858536 Bulgaria_Southwestern
4.11721994 Romania_Muntenia
4.13337634 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
4.15476834 Pomak_Bulgaria
4.40432742 Romania_Wallachia
4.51662485 Romania_Dobruja
4.81554774 Bosniak_Sandzak
5.08288304 Bulgaria_Northwestern
5.21082527 Romania_Oltenia
5.34897186 Romania_Banat
5.35204634 Greek_Northern-Thrace
5.59250391 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
5.98340204 Albanian_Gheg
6.07168840 Pomak_Greece
6.15373058 Romania_average
6.26797415 Moldova_South
I met a guy from Tutin few days ago in Dubrovnik, he told me some very interesting stuff.
For example, that Sandzak Bosniaks and Albanians can't stand each other.
His sister married for Albanian and that was huge scandal in their family.
Guy from Tutin obvious has more Albanian ancestors than average Sandžakian. I have seen similar result of Bosniak from Rožaje, but with lower Baltic and higher NA.
Muslims/Bosniaks from Plav and Gusinje are probably most Albanian shifted of all Sandžakians. In Plav and Gusinje still exist certain number of Albanians (Albanian speakers with Albanian identity), but majority of Muslims there are linguistically slavized and bosniakized.
Varda
04-27-2021, 06:55 PM
Bosniak from Sarajevo or central Bosnia.
https://i.ibb.co/4jKrH8s/20200318-130226.jpg
RogueState
04-27-2021, 09:03 PM
He is J2b.
He is closer to Greeks from Thessaly than to Serbs, regardless his ancestors lived in Serbia many generations. xD
Yeah I find it quite ironic also lol
But what annoys me the most its the fake Bosniak identity imposed on us since 1993
Because it created unnecessary tensions in Serbia & Montenegro, and because it is simply false
I find it more logical to be called Serbian Muslims rather than Bosniaks, because at least we live in the territory of Serbia and speak Serbian language...
Varda
04-28-2021, 07:31 PM
Yeah I find it quite ironic also lol
But what annoys me the most its the fake Bosniak identity imposed on us since 1993
Because it created unnecessary tensions in Serbia & Montenegro, and because it is simply false
I find it more logical to be called Serbian Muslims rather than Bosniaks, because at least we live in the territory of Serbia and speak Serbian language...
It's interesting that vast majority of Muslims in Serbian part of Sandžak adopted Bosniak name. On the other hand in Montenegrin part of Sandžak less Muslims in % identify themselves as Bosniaks, part of them are Muslim Montenegrins or just Muslims.
vbnetkhio
05-08-2021, 05:21 PM
Bosniak from eastern Herzegovina:
Bosniak_Hercegovina,26.17,23.06,19.93,9.86,16.80,1 .88,0.15,0.26,0.35,0.01,1.54,0.00,0.00
from Čajniče and Gorade (northern Herzegovina)
North_Atlantic 24.03 Pct
Baltic 31.68 Pct
West_Med 17.14 Pct
West_Asian 7 Pct
East_Med 15.01 Pct
Red_Sea 1.31 Pct
South_Asian 1.76 Pct
East_Asian 0.48 Pct
Siberian 0.2 Pct
Amerindian 1.03 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.37 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
North_Atlantic 24.09 Pct
Baltic 31.41 Pct
West_Med 16.58 Pct
West_Asian 5.67 Pct
East_Med 18.14 Pct
Red_Sea 3.04 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.06 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Another Bosniak
North_Atlantic 26.77 Pct
Baltic 30.52 Pct
West_Med 16.54 Pct
West_Asian 5.76 Pct
East_Med 15.71 Pct
Red_Sea 2.36 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.14 Pct
Siberian 1.38 Pct
Amerindian 0.81 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Distance to: Zi
3.67618008 Serb_Serbia_Central
3.72306325 Serb_Croatia
3.94945566 Croat_South
4.23481995 Croat_West
4.29664986 Serb_Serbia_West
4.34210778 Serb_Bosnia
4.37712234 Serb
4.60072820 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.63987069 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.88482344 Bosniak
Target: Zi
Distance: 1.7593% / 1.75929618 | ADC: 0.25x RC
72.0 Serb_Serbia_Central
14.5 Swiss_Italian
9.6 Belorussian
3.9 East_Finnish
Target: Zi
Distance: 2.6335% / 2.63352100 | ADC: 0.5x RC
52.4 Serb_Serbia_Central
42.7 Croat_West
4.9 Swiss_Italian
^^^^Zijad? :D
I don't know, he put that and his surname. Do you happen to know that sample?
I don't know, he put that and his surname. Do you happen to know that sample?
nope
Varda
05-08-2021, 06:05 PM
Bosniak from eastern Herzegovina:
Bosniak_Hercegovina,26.17,23.06,19.93,9.86,16.80,1 .88,0.15,0.26,0.35,0.01,1.54,0.00,0.00
from Čajniče and Goražde (northern Herzegovina)
North_Atlantic 24.03 Pct
Baltic 31.68 Pct
West_Med 17.14 Pct
West_Asian 7 Pct
East_Med 15.01 Pct
Red_Sea 1.31 Pct
South_Asian 1.76 Pct
East_Asian 0.48 Pct
Siberian 0.2 Pct
Amerindian 1.03 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.37 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
North_Atlantic 24.09 Pct
Baltic 31.41 Pct
West_Med 16.58 Pct
West_Asian 5.67 Pct
East_Med 18.14 Pct
Red_Sea 3.04 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.06 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Čajniče and Goražde are in East Bosnia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Čajniče
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goražde
Even Foča which is more southern (and western) than Čajniče and Goražde belong to East Bosnia, not to Herzegovina.
North Herzegovina are Jablanica, Prozor-Rama, Konjic and around these places.
vbnetkhio
05-08-2021, 06:12 PM
Čajniče is in East Bosnia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Čajniče
Even Foča which is more southern (and western) than Čajniče belong to East Bosnia, not to Herzegovina. North Herzegovina are Jablanica, Prozor-Rama, Konjic and around these places.
is this map wrong then?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/tr/0/0b/Tarihi_Hersek.gif
I thought this was the geographic, traditional region of Herzegovina.
in that corner of Serbia which is painted yellow there's a village called Hercegovačka Goleša (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercegova%C4%8Dka_Gole%C5%A1a).
edit: I don't agree fully with that map, Livno, Duvno are in Tropolje and Kupres is in Bosanska Krajina.
Duan
05-08-2021, 06:25 PM
Čajniče and Goražde are in East Bosnia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Čajniče
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goražde
It is historical Herzegovina.
https://slobodnahercegovina.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Stara-Hercegovina-karta.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Hercegova%C4%8Dki_sand%C5%BEak.png/800px-Hercegova%C4%8Dki_sand%C5%BEak.png
Varda
05-08-2021, 06:29 PM
is this map wrong then?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/tr/0/0b/Tarihi_Hersek.gif
I thought this was the geographic, traditional region of Herzegovina.
In Ottoman time Herzegovinian sanjak was quite bigger than present day Herzegovina. Even parts of SW Serbia (Priboj, Prijepolje and Nova Varoš) were part of Herzegovinian sanjak.
In last 200 years Foča, Čajniče and Goražde are part of East Bosnia and people from there consider themselves for Bosnians regionally.
Herzegovina in modern sense is darker color on the map right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzegovina
Čajniče, Foča and Goražde are too cold, green and cloudy for Herzegovina. Herzegovina is sun, stones, little to none forest and donkeys.
All three places have full Bosnian vibe, and nothing Herzegovinian.
Čajniče
https://mapio.net/images-p/31330791.jpg
Foča
https://mapio.net/images-p/4467026.jpg
Goražde
https://mapio.net/images-p/29618625.jpg
It is historical Herzegovina.
https://slobodnahercegovina.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Stara-Hercegovina-karta.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Hercegova%C4%8Dki_sand%C5%BEak.png/800px-Hercegova%C4%8Dki_sand%C5%BEak.png
Probaj reći nekome iz Makarske ili čak Imotskog da je Hercegovac, kamenovali bi te :D
Not all Herzegovina is hot and dry. There is so called high Herzegovina (around Konjic) and low Herzegovina which is a stereotype.
Prozor-Rama is northern Herzegovina and it's cold mountain plateau with lots of snow and forest.
Slavonian-born Miroslav Škoro (parents from Imotski):
I am not Herzegovian, Imotski is still before the border with Herzegovina
:o
Duan
05-08-2021, 06:39 PM
Probaj reći nekome iz Makarske ili čak Imotskog da je Hercegovac, kamenovali bi te :D
To su bili periferni krajevi Hercegovine, u kojima ta pripadnost nije uzela većeg maha.
Interesantno je da je glavni grad Hercegovine bio grad Pljevlja u današnjoj Crnoj Gori. Ne Mostar, ne Trebinje, već Pljevlja.
Nego meni je smešno kako danas Hrvati pokušavaju da prošire Hercegovački identitet na Livno, Duvno i Kupres.
Varda
05-08-2021, 06:39 PM
Not all Herzegovina is hot and dry. There is so called high Herzegovina (around Konjic) and low Herzegovina which is a stereotype.
Prozor-Rama is northern Herzegovina and it's cold mountain plateau with lots of snow and forest.
Yes, but even Herzegovinian highland which have cold winters still is quite sunny and mostly lack of forest and have stones. For examples Gacko and Nevesinje.
To su bili periferni krajevi Hercegovine, u kojima ta pripadnost nije uzela većeg maha.
Interesantno je da je glavni grad Hercegovine bio grad Pljevlja u današnjoj Crnoj Gori. Ne Mostar, ne Trebinje, već Pljevlja.
Nego meni je smešno kako danas Hrvati pokušavaju da prošire Hercegovački identitet na Livno, Duvno i Kupres.
Nije baš da to Hrvati rade, pa Tropolje nije Hercegovina ali nije ni Bosna. To je zapravo produžetak Dalmatinske Zagore.
View of eastern Herzegovina from Srđ fortress above Dubrovnik
https://i.imgur.com/OyFuNGj.jpg
It's a stone desert mainly, with super low population, so I don't buy the story such huge amount of people (meaning Serbs) originate from there.
Doesn't make any sense.
Duan
05-08-2021, 06:47 PM
Nije baš da to Hrvati rade, pa Tropolje nije Hercegovina ali nije ni Bosna. To je zapravo produžetak Dalmatinske Zagore.
Da, to je specifična regija.
Duan
05-08-2021, 07:06 PM
It's a stone desert mainly, with super low population, so I don't buy the story such huge amount of people (meaning Serbs) originate from there.
Doesn't make any sense.
When it is said Herzegovina, it means not only todays eastern Herzegovina, but historical Herzegovina, with parts of west Montenegro, southwest Serbia, and this already mentioned upper Podrinje (Foča-Goražde region).
As I said few months ago, it is not only Herzegovina as a place of origin of western Serbs, but also neighbouring regions. It is mentined that Austrian diplomat found Serbs in Bosanska Krajina who said their origin from Smederevo. That doesnt mean litteraly Smederevo as a towns, but Smederevo sanjak, that comprised lot o todays central and western Serbia.
One interesting thing I found is toponymes in close Višegrad surrounding:
https://i.imgur.com/Jw7vehq.png
They resemble Krajina Serbs.
There are villages Uništa, Mirlovići in northern Dalmatia, Kosovo polje near Knin, Babin Potok is village in Lika, Dubovik in Bosanska Krajina.
Rodić is well known Krajina Serb surname.
^^^^I see, that makes sense, interesting to learn.
Varda
05-08-2021, 07:12 PM
View of eastern Herzegovina from Srđ fortress above Dubrovnik
https://i.imgur.com/OyFuNGj.jpg
It's a stone desert mainly, with super low population, so I don't buy the story such huge amount of people (meaning Serbs) originate from there.
Doesn't make any sense.
Istočna Hercegovina je u zadnjih +500 godina izrazito iseljeničko područje.
One of the most beautiful places in eastern Herzegovina to me is Dabar field https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabarsko_polje
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/DabarskoPolje02.JPG/1280px-DabarskoPolje02.JPG
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7qVldTX4AEdKou?format=jpg&name=medium
https://s41.radikal.ru/i094/1307/0f/f51aab4f7065.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUPXUrYWkAAZgdM?format=jpg&name=medium
Duan
05-08-2021, 07:19 PM
Few more toponymes in Viegrad surroundings that resemble Krajina Serbs.
Strmica in northern Dalmatia (Knin), Turjak and Međeđa in Bosanska Krajina (Dubica and Gradika), Bjelajci near Pakrac in western Slavonia.
https://i.imgur.com/KhTOOoR.png
Varda
05-08-2021, 07:20 PM
When it is said Herzegovina, it means not only todays eastern Herzegovina, but historical Herzegovina, with parts of west Montenegro, southwest Serbia, and this already mentioned upper Podrinje (Foča-Goražde region).
As I said few months ago, it is not only Herzegovina as a place of origin of western Serbs, but also neighbouring regions. It is mentined that Austrian diplomat found Serbs in Bosanska Krajina who said their origin from Smederevo. That doesnt mean litteraly Smederevo as a towns, but Smederevo sanjak, that comprised lot o todays central and western Serbia.
One interesting thing I found is toponymes in close Višegrad surrounding:
https://i.imgur.com/Jw7vehq.png
They resemble Krajina Serbs.
There are villages Uništa, Mirlovići in northern Dalmatia, Kosovo polje near Knin, Babin Potok is village in Lika, Dubovik in Bosanska Krajina.
Rodić is well known Krajina Serb surname.
Riđane in Dalmatian Kosovo near Knin and Riđani near Nikšić, Pađene near Knin and Pađeni near Bileća etc. Look at this http://nebojsavukanovic.info/hercegovci-u-kninu-i-krajini/
Uništa is only ikavian speaking village in Bosansko Grahovo minicipality. Both Serbs and Croatians from Uništa used ikavian. Both settled from Vrlika area in 19th century.
CommonSense
05-08-2021, 07:24 PM
Bosniak from eastern Herzegovina:
Bosniak_Hercegovina,26.17,23.06,19.93,9.86,16.80,1 .88,0.15,0.26,0.35,0.01,1.54,0.00,0.00
from Čajniče and Gorade (northern Herzegovina)
North_Atlantic 24.03 Pct
Baltic 31.68 Pct
West_Med 17.14 Pct
West_Asian 7 Pct
East_Med 15.01 Pct
Red_Sea 1.31 Pct
South_Asian 1.76 Pct
East_Asian 0.48 Pct
Siberian 0.2 Pct
Amerindian 1.03 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.37 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
North_Atlantic 24.09 Pct
Baltic 31.41 Pct
West_Med 16.58 Pct
West_Asian 5.67 Pct
East_Med 18.14 Pct
Red_Sea 3.04 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.06 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
I posted the latter result a year ago:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?320262-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-gedmatch-results-vol-2&p=6629911&viewfull=1#post6629911
vbnetkhio
05-08-2021, 07:49 PM
View of eastern Herzegovina from Srđ fortress above Dubrovnik
https://i.imgur.com/OyFuNGj.jpg
It's a stone desert mainly, with super low population, so I don't buy the story such huge amount of people (meaning Serbs) originate from there.
Doesn't make any sense.
Krajina Serbs from the SDNKP, 635 samples
J2b-M205>Y22059 = 8.3%
N2-P189.2>FGC28435 = 8.2%
I1-P109>FGC22045 = 3.8%
total - 20.3%
Krajina Serbs from 23andMe, 287 samples
хаплогрупа J2b-M205 = 9.1%
хаплогрупа N2-P189.2 = 8%
хаплогрупа I1-P109 = 2.8%
total 19.9%
^those subclades definitely originate from the very sparsely populated Old Herzegovina, they simply migrated to empty areas and had a huge population boom there.
and that's without r1a and i2. for those it's harder to distinguish which subclades are from Herzegovina and which from elsewhere.
Varda
05-08-2021, 07:49 PM
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Not all Krajina Serbs originated from eastern Herzegovina. But it seems eastern Herzegovinians were dominant on some way, because dialect of vast majority of Krajina Serbs originated from eastern Herzegovina.
vbnetkhio
05-08-2021, 07:53 PM
Few more toponymes in Viegrad surroundings that resemble Krajina Serbs.
Strmica in northern Dalmatia (Knin), Turjak and Međeđa in Bosanska Krajina (Dubica and Gradika), Bjelajci near Pakrac in western Slavonia.
https://i.imgur.com/KhTOOoR.png
there is also
Čitluk and Počitelj in Herzegovina and in Lika
Vilusi and Grahovo in Old Herzegovina and in Bosnian Krajina
Varda
05-08-2021, 07:53 PM
Krajina Serbs from the SDNKP, 635 samples
J2b-M205>Y22059 = 8.3%
N2-P189.2>FGC28435 = 8.2%
I1-P109>FGC22045 = 3.8%
total - 20.3%
Krajina Serbs from 23andMe, 287 samples
хаплогрупа J2b-M205 = 9.1%
хаплогрупа N2-P189.2 = 8%
хаплогрупа I1-P109 = 2.8%
total 19.9%
^those subclades definitely originate from the very sparsely populated Old Herzegovina, they simply migrated to empty areas and had a huge population boom there.
and that's without r1a and i2. for those it's harder to distinguish which subclades are from Herzegovina and which from elsewhere.
25-30% Krajina Serbs originated from present day Montenegro. Absolutely dominant among them is origin from western part of Montenegro (Old Herzegovina).
Varda
05-08-2021, 08:12 PM
there is also
Čitluk and Počitelj in Herzegovina and in Lika
Vilusi and Grahovo in Old Herzegovina and in Bosnian Krajina
Map of medieval Herzegovinian clans 107363
We already have genetically confirmed descendants of Predojevići, Nikšići, Drobnjaci, Mirilovići, Banjani, Maleševci (they lived between Bileća and Trebinje), Ugarci-Dubravčići (from Trebinje-Ljubomir) among Krajina Serbs. I thinks also Burmazi have descendants among Krajina Serbs (it's not officially for now).
Borjan family from northern Dalmatia might be connected with Borjani Herzegovian medieval clan (Borjan from Kričke near Drniš is tested as I2-Y3120). Milan Borjan originated from Kričke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Borjan
We also have toponyms from Herzegovina on my island (including island name), from Mostar/Čapljina area. Toponyms are almost entirely Slavic, often referring to Slavic deities like Veles.
vbnetkhio
05-08-2021, 08:26 PM
Map of medieval Herzegovinian clans 107363
We already have genetically confirmed descendants of Predojevići, Nikšići, Drobnjaci, Mirilovići, Banjani, Maleševci (they lived between Bileća and Trebinje), Ugarci-Dubravčići (from Trebinje-Ljubomir) among Krajina Serbs. I thinks also Burmazi have descendants among Krajina Serbs (it's not officially for now).
Borjan family from northern Dalmatia might be connected with Borjani Herzegovian medieval clan (Borjan from Kričke near Drniš is tested as I2-Y3120). Milan Borjan originated from Kričke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Borjan
what are the haplogroups of these:
Predojevići
Mirilovići
Banjani
Maleševci
Ugarci-Dubravčići
Burmazi
they are mostly r1a and i2a, right?
do you know if Šarenci-Krasojevići are considered to be Vlachs? they are R1a-YP4278
Varda
05-08-2021, 08:29 PM
We also have toponyms from Herzegovina on my island (including island name), from Mostar/Čapljina area. Toponyms are almost entirely Slavic, often referring to Slavic deities like Veles.
Recently is published result of Serb with surname Krasić who is from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Šeškovci
He is I2-PH908 and it's close to Dalmatian Croatian guy Akmadžić and to several Bunjevci (Jurić, Dragičević, Rukavina etc) who are Y144305 sub-branch.
Insuperable
05-08-2021, 08:31 PM
Probaj reći nekome iz Makarske ili čak Imotskog da je Hercegovac, kamenovali bi te :D
Ili nekome odavde da je Dalmatinac. Dalmatince zovu kutori.
Insuperable
05-08-2021, 08:35 PM
Nije ba da to Hrvati rade, pa Tropolje nije Hercegovina ali nije ni Bosna. To je zapravo produetak Dalmatinske Zagore.
Ti iz Tropolja su teki kompleksai. Za sebe misle da su Dalmatinci.
Ili nekome odavde da je Dalmatinac. Dalmatince zovu Škutori.
Tako Varda zove tebe :D
Ti iz Tropolja su teški kompleksaši. Za sebe misle da su Dalmatinci.
Pa navodno i jesu, većina bi trebala potjecati iz Zagore (i po govoru). Ima o tome na HB forumu.
Varda
05-08-2021, 08:39 PM
what are the haplogroups of these:
Predojevići
Mirilovići
Banjani
Maleševci
Ugarci-Dubravčići
Burmazi
they are mostly r1a and i2a, right?
do you know if Šarenci-Krasojevići are considered to be Vlachs? they are R1a-YP4278
Predojevići I2-PH908
Maleševci I2-PH908
Mirilovići I2-PH3414
Ugarci-Dubravčići R1b-U152
Banjani N-P189.2 (mostly)
Burmazi R1a (not confirmed yet)
Genetic descendant of Maleševci is Petar Kočić https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petar_Kočić
Descendant of Ugarci-Dubravčići is Marinko Rokvić https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinko_Rokvić
Descendants of Predojevići are TA users Dušan and Bosniensis.
S druge strane, Dubrovčani se ne identificiraju kao Dalmatinci (ne samo grad DU nego sve do Neuma), pa i nisu, skroz drugi govor i još štošta. Više su kao Hercegovci i Crnogorci, samo sa Med kulturom.
Dubrovniku je sličniji Kotor nego Split.
Insuperable
05-08-2021, 08:48 PM
Tako Varda zove tebe :D
A oni iz Zagore zove one s primorja kutori.
Pa navodno i jesu, većina bi trebala potjecati iz Zagore (i po govoru). Ima o tome na HB forumu.
to se tiče porijekla iz Zagore treba pričati o gradijentu. Nije sve crno i bijelo. Taj gradijent je jak i u Zapadnoj Hercegovini (Posuje, iroki, Grude, Ljubuki i Brotnjo). Mi u junoj Hercegovini (Čapljina, Ravno, Neum) vie naginjemo Dubrovniku tj. junoj Dalmaciji. Mostar (srednja Hercegovina) i sjeverna Hercegovina su miks. Ali nas ostale zaboli neka stvar. A ovi u Tropolju uvijek za sebe misle da su neto posebno, a ako trebaju pripadati nečem irem dosta ih kau da su najblii Dalmaciji. Dosta ih isto kae i Hercegovini, ali opet...
Insuperable
05-08-2021, 08:53 PM
S druge strane, Dubrovčani se ne identificiraju kao Dalmatinci (ne samo grad DU nego sve do Neuma), pa i nisu, skroz drugi govor i jo tota. Vie su kao Hercegovci i Crnogorci, samo sa Med kulturom.
Dubrovniku je sličniji Kotor nego Split.
Imaju li ikakve ankete o Dubrovčanima i jugu? Tvoja iskustva o njihovoj svijesti?
Varda
05-08-2021, 09:06 PM
do you know if arenci-Krasojevići are considered to be Vlachs? they are R1a-YP4278
Krasojevići/Kresojevići were medieval clan from eastern Herzegovina in vlach social status (many Herzregovinians in late middle age and early Ottoman period were in vlach caste). I know they are R1a and that today exist their genetic descendants among Serbs from eastern Herzegovina and some other regions.
About them https://www.poreklo.rs/2012/03/07/kresojevi%C4%87/
vbnetkhio
05-08-2021, 09:23 PM
Predojevići I2-PH908
Maleševci I2-PH908
Mirilovići I2-PH3414
Ugarci-Dubravčići R1b-U152
Banjani N-P189.2 (mostly)
Burmazi R1a (not confirmed yet)
Genetic descendant of Maleševci is Petar Kočić https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petar_Kočić
Descendant of Ugarci-Dubravčići is Marinko Rokvić https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinko_Rokvić
Descendants of Predojevići are TA users Dušan and Bosniensis.
Krasojevići/Kresojevići were medieval clan from eastern Herzegovina in vlach social status (many Herzregovinians in late middle age and early Ottoman period were in vlach caste). I know they are R1a and that today exist their genetic descendants among Serbs from eastern Herzegovina and some other regions.
About them https://www.poreklo.rs/2012/03/07/kresojevi%C4%87/
very interesting. they aren't on that map of vlach katuns, so I thought they could be a non-vlach family.
so none of the Herzegovinian "vlachs" have a certain pre-Slavic haplogroup. even N-P189.2 is currently considered a "northern" haplogroup by most of the poreklo admins.
Imaju li ikakve ankete o Dubrovčanima i jugu? Tvoja iskustva o njihovoj svijesti?
https://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/clanak/dubrovcani-nisu-dalmatinci-20130511
nije anketa, ali indikativno
Bila sam u Dubrovniku 5 dana prije 2 tjedna, i u Konavlima, Stonu, dolini Neretve...Dubrovčani s kojima sam razgovarala se ne osjećaju Dalmatincima, već su sami za sebe, ali smatraju Hrvate iz Hercegovine i CG najbližima. Puno su manje negativno nastrojeni prema Hercegovcima nego mnogi Dalmatinci, i pozitivnije su govorili o Hercegovcima nego o Dalmatincima.
Pravoslavce iz istočne Hercegovine i Crne Gore ne podnose ali to je zbog rata i pustošenja (nisam ni znala da su bila takva), u budućnosti će vjerojatno odnosi ići na bolje sa svakom novom generacijom.
OK su Dubrovčani, mirniji i manje agresivni od Dalmatinaca, iznenadili su me srdačnošću.
Varda
05-08-2021, 09:51 PM
very interesting. they aren't on that map of vlach katuns, so I thought they could be a non-vlach family.
so none of the Herzegovinian "vlachs" have a certain pre-Slavic haplogroup. even N-P189.2 is currently considered a "northern" haplogroup by most of the poreklo admins.
Not all Herzegovinian vlach katuns are marked on the map from my post.
Accorring to legend fouder of Maleevci tribe was Serbian duke Male. He was from Herzegovina, but moved to the Berovo in eastern Macedonia. Because of Ottoman invasion he returned from Berovo in his native area between Trebinje and Bileća and died there in early 15th century https://malesevci.rs/males-srpski-vojvoda/
Maleevo mountain or Male moutain near Berovo is named by duke Male https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maleshevo_Mountain
Duke Male arrived to Berovo as part of Serbian administration in the time of tsar Duan or tsar Uro. Serbian nobleman who came to Macedonia, Albania and Greece in time of Serbian rule there were mostly from Dinaric region.
More about Maleevci
https://malesevci.blogspot.com/2008/02/blog-post.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maleevci
https://html.scribdassets.com/10wqmpw0e81qg8hp/images/476-471d8dade9.png
Varda
05-08-2021, 10:32 PM
Tako Varda zove tebe :D
Pa navodno i jesu, većina bi trebala potjecati iz Zagore (i po govoru). Ima o tome na HB forumu.
Mislio sam da je Insuperable baš iz Škutorije (oblast otprilike omeđena Širokim, Ljubuškim i Posušjem, sa Grudama u srcu). A on je iz južnijeg/jugoistočnijeg kraja. Neću ga više zvati Škutorom. :)
Hrvati iz Mostara, Čapljine, Stoca, Rame, Duvna itd. nisu Škutori. Od Dalmatinaca Škutorima su najbliži/najsličniji Imoćani, i oni se često trpaju u Škutore (neki čak i sami sebe smatraju Škutorima). Čuo sam da su Škutori po mnogo čemu specifični i da se razlikuju od ostalih hercegovačkih i tropoljskih Hrvata.
Insuperable
05-08-2021, 10:49 PM
Mislio sam da je Insuperable baš iz Škutorije (oblast otprilike omeđena Širokim, Ljubuškim i Posušjem, sa Grudama u srcu). A on je iz južnijeg/jugoistočnijeg kraja. Neću ga više zvati Škutorom. :)
Hrvati iz Mostara, Čapljine, Stoca, Rame, Duvna itd. nisu Škutori. Od Dalmatinaca Škutorima su najbliži/najsličniji Imoćani, i oni se često trpaju u Škutore (neki čak i sami sebe smatraju Škutorima). Čuo sam da su Škutori po mnogo čemu specifični i da se razlikuju od ostalih hercegovačkih i tropoljskih Hrvata.
Ne razlikujemo se po ničemu. Nema nikakve razlike između hercegovačkih Hrvata. Ja ne vidim. Da me bilo gdje staviš u Hercegovini ne bih znao među kojim sam ljudima. U Dalmaciji se osjeti razlika, kulturno, pa ja antro profesionalac vidim čak i fizionomski što je najviše izrazeno na otocima.
Varda
05-08-2021, 10:55 PM
Ne razlikujemo se po ničemu. Nema nikakve razlike između hercegovačkih Hrvata. Ja ne vidim. Da me bilo gdje staviš u Hercegovini ne bih znao među kojim sam ljudima. U Dalmaciji se osjeti razlika, kulturno, pa ja antro profesionalac vidim čak i fizionomski što je najviše izrazeno na otocima.
Dudu sa HercegBosne (on je iz Duvna) kaže da su Škutori poseban soj ljudi i da se tačno vidi razlika između njih i Duvnjaka. Nije objasnio na šta tačno misli.
Insuperable
05-08-2021, 10:57 PM
Dudu sa HercegBosne (on je iz Duvna) kae da su kutori poseban soj ljudi i da se tačno vidi razlika između njih i Duvnjaka. Nije objasnio na ta tačno misli.
Nebitno jer nas zaboli nas kurac za te kompleksae iz Tropolja.
Varda
05-09-2021, 12:06 AM
Bosniak from eastern Herzegovina:
Bosniak_Hercegovina,26.17,23.06,19.93,9.86,16.80,1 .88,0.15,0.26,0.35,0.01,1.54,0.00,0.00
His Baltic score is very low for person from BiH. :confused: Even Sandžakians and Bulgarians have higher Baltic on average.
Do you have any other Bosniak result from eastern Herzegovina?
vbnetkhio
05-09-2021, 12:37 AM
His Baltic score is very low for person from BiH. :confused:
Even Sandžakians and Bulgarians have higher Baltic on average.
it's weirder that both the Baltic and NA are low.
this person has around the same level of Baltic, but the NA is much higher.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?342186-Serbian-autosomal-DNA-2&p=7183413&viewfull=1#post7183413
basically the Bosniak has an Thracian-like pre-Slavic part, and the Serb Illyrian like.
Distance to: Bosniak_Hercegovina
2.25094841 46.40% I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp + 53.60% AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp
Distance to: tepci
3.61568873 65.00% R1_Abruzzo_Teramo_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy + 35.00% AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp
Varda
05-09-2021, 12:49 AM
When it is said Herzegovina, it means not only todays eastern Herzegovina, but historical Herzegovina, with parts of west Montenegro, southwest Serbia, and this already mentioned upper Podrinje (Foča-Gorade region).
As I said few months ago, it is not only Herzegovina as a place of origin of western Serbs, but also neighbouring regions. It is mentined that Austrian diplomat found Serbs in Bosanska Krajina who said their origin from Smederevo. That doesnt mean litteraly Smederevo as a towns, but Smederevo sanjak, that comprised lot o todays central and western Serbia.
One interesting thing I found is toponymes in close Viegrad surrounding:
https://i.imgur.com/Jw7vehq.png
They resemble Krajina Serbs.
There are villages Unita, Mirlovići in northern Dalmatia, Kosovo polje near Knin, Babin Potok is village in Lika, Dubovik in Bosanska Krajina.
Rodić is well known Krajina Serb surname.
All these villages down which connect Herzegovina and Krajina are Serbian or were until recent past, except Borojevići near Stolac wich have Bosniak majority
Kazanci (Gacko) and Kazanci (Bosansko Grahovo)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazanci
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donji_Kazanci
Ugarci (Trebinje) and Ugarci (Bosansko Grahovo)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugarci,_Trebinje
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugarci,_Bosansko_Grahovo
Lastva (Trebinje) and Lastve (Bosanski Petrovac)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lastva
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lastve
Vođeni (Ljubinje) and Vođenica (Bosanski Petrovac)
https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vođeni
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vođenica
Borojevići (Stolac) and Borojevići (Banija)
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borojevići_(Stolac)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borojevići
Maleevci (Bosansko Grahovo) and Maleevci tribe from Trebinje-Bileća (i wrote about them in detail in on of previous posts)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maleevci,_Bosansko_Grahovo
Ljubovo (Trebinje) and Ljubovo (Udbina)
https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ljubovo_(Trebinje)
https://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ljubovo
Rastovac (Kalinovik) and Rastovac Budački (Kordun)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastovac,_Kalinovik
https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastovac_Budački
Grkavci (Trebinje) and Grkovci (Bosansko Grahovo)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grkavci
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grkovci
Borkovići (Pluine) and Borkovići (Banja Luka)
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borkovići_(Pluine)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borkovići
Vrba (Gacko) and Vrba (Glamoč)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vrba,_Gacko
https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vrba_(Glamoč)
Todorići (Trebinje) and Todorići (ipovo)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todorići,_Trebinje
https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todorići_(ipovo)
Examples of connections of toponyms from Herzegovina with Krajina Serb surnames
Diklići village near Trebinje and Krajina Serb surname Diklić (mostly from Lika) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diklići,_Trebinje
Budisavlje village near Nevesinje and famous Krajina/Lika Serb surname Budisavljević https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budisavlje
Zgonjevo village near Trebinje and Krajina Serb surname Zgonjanin (from Banija and western Bosnia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zgonjevo
Grbići village near Trebinje and Krajina Serb surname Grbić (from western Bosnia, Lika and Kordun) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grbići_(Trebinje)
Miljen village near Ljubinje and Krajina Serb surname Miljen (from Oton near Knin) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miljen
Dulići near Gacko and Krajina Serb surname Dulić (from western Bosnia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stari_Dulići
Mrkonjići village near Trebinje and Krajina Serb surname Mrkonjić (from Kordun) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrkonjići
Cerovac village near Trebinje and Krajina Serb surname Cerovac (from Strmica near Knin) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerovac,_Trebinje
Kovačići village near Nevesinje and Krajina Serb surname Kovačić (from Kordun and western Bosnia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kovačići,_Nevesinje
Varda
05-09-2021, 08:55 AM
it's weirder that both the Baltic and NA are low.
this person has around the same level of Baltic, but the NA is much higher.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?342186-Serbian-autosomal-DNA-2&p=7183413&viewfull=1#post7183413
basically the Bosniak has an Thracian-like pre-Slavic part, and the Serb Illyrian like.
Distance to: Bosniak_Hercegovina
2.25094841 46.40% I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp + 53.60% AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp
Distance to: tepci
3.61568873 65.00% R1_Abruzzo_Teramo_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy + 35.00% AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp
This is Bosniak, and according to surname he is from Gacko (eastern Herzegovina).
https://i.ibb.co/9T1tdYM/20200401-165759-2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/Ng0wvkm/20200401-165812.jpg
This is Bosniak, and according to surname he is from Gacko (eastern Herzegovina).
https://i.ibb.co/9T1tdYM/20200401-165759-2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/Ng0wvkm/20200401-165812.jpg
Why do you keep posting people who you have no idea where they are from? It's annoying.
Varda
05-09-2021, 09:02 AM
Why do you keep posting people who you have no idea where they are from? It's annoying.
He is 100% Bosniak. His surname is Tanović, and it's notable Bosniak surname from Gacko. Even if he is not from Gacko who cares, only important is that he is Bosniak.
This is Bosniak, and according to surname he is from Gacko (eastern Herzegovina).
[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/9T1tdYM/20200401-165759-2.jpg
[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/Ng0wvkm/20200401-165812.jpg
He seems to have a bit of Mongoloid in him. Maybe distant Turkish?
He is 100% Bosniak. His surname is Tanović, and it's notable Bosniak surname from Gacko. Even if he is not from Gacko who cares, only important is that he is Bosniak.
Bosnia is a small country/region and the Bosniaks are just 1.5 or so million, they're not extremely diverse.
Bosnia is smaller than Denmark by territory (39,000 km2).
Varda
05-09-2021, 09:37 AM
He seems to have a bit of Mongoloid in him. Maybe distant Turkish?
Bosnia is a small country/region and the Bosniaks are just 1.5 or so million, they're not extremely diverse.
Bosniaks from BiH are quite diverse for such small population. Exist Bosniaks with 36-37% Baltic (mostly from northern Bosnia), and exist Bosniak with 23% Baltic (from eastern Herzegovina) posted by vbn.
Varda
05-09-2021, 10:01 AM
He seems to have a bit of Mongoloid in him. Maybe distant Turkish?
Bosnia is a small country/region and the Bosniaks are just 1.5 or so million, they're not extremely diverse.
Bosnia is smaller than Denmark by territory (39,000 km2).
I don't know... If he have Turkish admixture it's probably from Ottoman time (before 1878).
Bosnia and Herzegovina is 51 100 km2, but Bosniaks lived on only around 1/3 of territory.
Ethnic map of BiH in 2013 (blue - Serbs, green - Bosniaks, orange - Croatians, yellow - without population)
https://i.ibb.co/wJPxqx6/1024qx-Bosnia-Herzegovina-Ethnic-2013.png
Bosniaks from BiH are quite diverse for such small population. Exist Bosniaks with 36-37% Baltic (mostly from northern Bosnia), and exist Bosniak with 23% Baltic (from eastern Herzegovina) posted by vbn.
Baltic score as standalone value is pretty irrelevant. Person with 37% Baltic and 20% North Atlantic is southern shifted. Or with high Baltic and high East Med/Read sea.
I really don't get the obsession with Baltic score of some members here.
It's score of NA + Baltic that counts. West Med isn't same as East Med and neither is same as West Asian etc.
RogueState
05-09-2021, 12:48 PM
His Baltic score is very low for person from BiH. :confused: Even Sandakians and Bulgarians have higher Baltic on average.
Do you have any other Bosniak result from eastern Herzegovina?
His results are a out of the average Bosnia_Bosniak range, but more towards Montenegrin-Romanian-Bulgarian-Macedonian profile group.
He probably has ancestry from Sandzak
vbnetkhio
05-09-2021, 01:17 PM
His results are a out of the average Bosnia_Bosniak range, but more towards Montenegrin-Romanian-Bulgarian-Macedonian profile group.
He probably has ancestry from Sandzak
Bosniak_Bosnia type of results are found north of Sarajevo and east of Prijedor.
This is the first result from East Herzegovina I found, he's probably not a big outlier for his region, he's similar to Herzegovina Serbs.
Ion Basescul
05-09-2021, 01:46 PM
Don't know where to post this
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgene.2021.671467/abstract
Ion Basescul
05-09-2021, 01:49 PM
He seems to have a bit of Mongoloid in him. Maybe distant Turkish?
Bosnia is a small country/region and the Bosniaks are just 1.5 or so million, they're not extremely diverse.
Bosnia is smaller than Denmark by territory (39,000 km2).
Moldova is smaller and there is more diversity than there.
Moldova is smaller and there is more diversity than there.
Looking forward to this.
Varda
05-09-2021, 02:07 PM
Looking forward to this.
Post population distances of eastern Herzegovinisn Bosniak with 23% Baltic to we see closeness with Sandžakians.
Post population distances of eastern Herzegovinisn Bosniak with 23% Baltic to we see closeness with Sandžakians.
Distance to: Bosniak_east_Herczgovina
3.37170580 Bosniak_Sandzak
3.78230089 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
4.34465188 Romania_Oltenia
4.45641111 Romania_Crisana
4.56689172 Romania_Transylvania
4.56929973 Montenegrin
4.96821900 Bulgaria_Southwestern
4.97359025 Romania_Moldavia_South
5.20452688 Romania_average
5.27672247 Romania_Banat
5.49135685 Romania_Wallachia
5.72050697 Romania_Dobruja
5.97257064 Romania_Muntenia
6.12548774 Bulgaria_average
6.16799805 Macedonian_North
6.29038950 Bulgaria_Northwestern
6.29746775 Serb_Herzegovina
6.52847609 Moldova_South
6.68364422 Bulgaria_Northeastern
6.70783870 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
6.73929522 Romania_Maramures
6.73983679 Macedonian
6.81889287 Bulgaria_Southcentral
6.86837681 Macedonian_South
6.90175340 Serb_Serbia_South
Pretty close. Must be Montenegrin ancestry. Serbs from Herzegovina aren't too different, but bit more north shifted.
vbnetkhio
05-09-2021, 02:40 PM
Pretty close. Must be Montenegrin ancestry.
probably not more than the average East Herzegovinian.
he simply on the lower end of Baltic and NA for his region.
Montenegrins with his level of Baltic can have much lower NA, look at this result:
mne_podg,19.87,23.58,21.39,13.63,16.19,4.09,0.00,0 .00,1.05,0.00,0.17,0.00,0.00
vbnetkhio
05-09-2021, 02:54 PM
these are his 23adme results:
Country: Bosnia-Herzegovina
Region: Eastern Herzegovina
Southern European: 82.6%
Greek & Balkan: 81.9%
Broadly Southern European: 0.7%
Eastern European: 13.2%
Northwestern European: 2.8%
British & Irish: 1%
French & German: 0.5%
Scandinavian: 0.3%
Broadly Northwestern European: 1%
Broadly European: 1.1%
Unassigned: 0.3%
and the results of his matches:
1. Bosniak from Herzegovina (BIH):
Southern European: 81.8%
Greek & Balkan: 81.1%
Broadly Southern European: 0.7%
Eastern European: 13.5%
Northwestern European: 0.2%
Broadly Northwestern European: 0.2%
Broadly European: 2.7%
Western Asian & North African: 1.5%
Unassigned: 0.3%
2. Bosniak from Herzegovina (BIH)
Southern European: 86%
Greek & Balkan: 84.6%
Broadly Southern European: 1.4%
Eastern European: 12.4%
Northwestern European: 0.8%
French & German: 0.8%
Broadly European: 0.6%
Western Asian & North African: 0.2%
3. Another Bosniak from Herzegovina (BIH)
Southern European: 76.7%
Greek & Balkan: 75.3%
Italian: 0.1%
Broadly Southern European: 1.3%
Eastern European: 13.7%
Northwestern European: 1.1%
Broadly Northwestern European: 1.1%
Broadly European: 6.1%
Western Asian & North African: 2%
Unassigned: 0.4%
4. Bosniak from Mostar (BIH)
Southern European: 77.4%
Greek & Balkan: 73.6%
Spanish & Portuguese: 0.6%
Broadly Southern European: 3.2%
Eastern European: 19.4%
Northwestern European: 0%
Broadly European: 2.5%
Western Asian & North African: 0.4%
Sub-Saharan African: 0.1%
Unassigned: 0.2%
5. Bosniak from Tuzla (Northeast Bosnia)
Southern European: 61.2%
Greek & Balkan: 57.3%
Spanish & Portuguese: 2%
Broadly Southern European: 1.9%
Eastern European: 32.6%
Northwestern European: 0%
Broadly European: 4.2%
Western Asian & North African: 1.8%
Unassigned: 0.2%
6. Bosniak from Foča (East Bosnia)
Southern European: 72.9%
Greek & Balkan: 70.7%
Broadly Southern European: 2.2%
Eastern European: 24.7%
Northwestern European: 0%
Broadly European: 2.3%
Unassigned: 0.1%
7. Bosniak from Srebrenica (East Bosnia)
Southern European: 84.8%
Greek & Balkan: 81.2%
Broadly Southern European: 3.6%
Eastern European: 8.6%
Northwestern European: 0%
Broadly European: 4.5%
Western Asian & North African: 2%
Unassigned: 0.1%
8. Serb from Trebinje, Herzegovina (BIH)
Southern European: 95.1%
Greek & Balkan: 92.7%
Broadly Southern European: 2.4%
Eastern European: 4.4%
Northwestern European: 0%
Broadly European: 0.4%
Unassigned: 0.1%
9. Serb from Sarajevo (BIH)
Southern European: 76.7%
Greek & Balkan: 60.4%
Italian 6.6%
Spanish & Portuguese: 0.5%
Broadly Southern European: 9.2%
Eastern European: 8.7%
Ashkenazi Jewish: 5.2%
Northwestern European: 0.1%
Broadly Northwestern European: 0.1%
Broadly European: 5.4%
Western Asian & North African: 3.4%
Unassigned: 0.1%
10. Albanian from Montenegro (Kolain)
Southern European: 97.3%
Greek & Balkan: 97.3%
Broadly Southern European: 0%
Eastern European: 0%
Northwestern European: 0%
Broadly European: 0%
Western Asian & North African: 2.6%
Unassigned: 0.1%
Ayetooey
05-09-2021, 02:57 PM
these are his 23adme results:
Country: Bosnia-Herzegovina
Region: Eastern Herzegovina
Southern European: 82.6%
Greek & Balkan: 81.9%
Broadly Southern European: 0.7%
Eastern European: 13.2%
Northwestern European: 2.8%
British & Irish: 1%
French & German: 0.5%
Scandinavian: 0.3%
Broadly Northwestern European: 1%
Broadly European: 1.1%
Unassigned: 0.3%
and the results of his matches:
1. Bosniak from Herzegovina (BIH):
Southern European: 81.8%
Greek & Balkan: 81.1%
Broadly Southern European: 0.7%
Eastern European: 13.5%
Northwestern European: 0.2%
Broadly Northwestern European: 0.2%
Broadly European: 2.7%
Western Asian & North African: 1.5%
Unassigned: 0.3%
2. Bosniak from Herzegovina (BIH)
Southern European: 86%
Greek & Balkan: 84.6%
Broadly Southern European: 1.4%
Eastern European: 12.4%
Northwestern European: 0.8%
French & German: 0.8%
Broadly European: 0.6%
Western Asian & North African: 0.2%
3. Another Bosniak from Herzegovina (BIH)
Southern European: 76.7%
Greek & Balkan: 75.3%
Italian: 0.1%
Broadly Southern European: 1.3%
Eastern European: 13.7%
Northwestern European: 1.1%
Broadly Northwestern European: 1.1%
Broadly European: 6.1%
Western Asian & North African: 2%
Unassigned: 0.4%
4. Bosniak from Mostar (BIH)
Southern European: 77.4%
Greek & Balkan: 73.6%
Spanish & Portuguese: 0.6%
Broadly Southern European: 3.2%
Eastern European: 19.4%
Northwestern European: 0%
Broadly European: 2.5%
Western Asian & North African: 0.4%
Sub-Saharan African: 0.1%
Unassigned: 0.2%
5. Bosniak from Tuzla (Northeast Bosnia)
Southern European: 61.2%
Greek & Balkan: 57.3%
Spanish & Portuguese: 2%
Broadly Southern European: 1.9%
Eastern European: 32.6%
Northwestern European: 0%
Broadly European: 4.2%
Western Asian & North African: 1.8%
Unassigned: 0.2%
6. Bosniak from Foča (East Bosnia)
Southern European: 72.9%
Greek & Balkan: 70.7%
Broadly Southern European: 2.2%
Eastern European: 24.7%
Northwestern European: 0%
Broadly European: 2.3%
Unassigned: 0.1%
7. Bosniak from Srebrenica (East Bosnia)
Southern European: 84.8%
Greek & Balkan: 81.2%
Broadly Southern European: 3.6%
Eastern European: 8.6%
Northwestern European: 0%
Broadly European: 4.5%
Western Asian & North African: 2%
Unassigned: 0.1%
8. Serb from Trebinje, Herzegovina (BIH)
Southern European: 95.1%
Greek & Balkan: 92.7%
Broadly Southern European: 2.4%
Eastern European: 4.4%
Northwestern European: 0%
Broadly European: 0.4%
Unassigned: 0.1%
9. Serb from Sarajevo (BIH)
Southern European: 76.7%
Greek & Balkan: 60.4%
Italian 6.6%
Spanish & Portuguese: 0.5%
Broadly Southern European: 9.2%
Eastern European: 8.7%
Ashkenazi Jewish: 5.2%
Northwestern European: 0.1%
Broadly Northwestern European: 0.1%
Broadly European: 5.4%
Western Asian & North African: 3.4%
Unassigned: 0.1%
10. Albanian from Montenegro (Kolašin)
Southern European: 97.3%
Greek & Balkan: 97.3%
Broadly Southern European: 0%
Eastern European: 0%
Northwestern European: 0%
Broadly European: 0%
Western Asian & North African: 2.6%
Unassigned: 0.1%
His 23andme results are more "northern" than average despite his gedmatch results. Most people score close to 100% Balkan on my list now whether Serb/Bosniak or Southern Croat.
Varda
05-09-2021, 03:11 PM
Distance to: Bosniak_east_Herczgovina
3.37170580 Bosniak_Sandzak
3.78230089 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
4.34465188 Romania_Oltenia
4.45641111 Romania_Crisana
4.56689172 Romania_Transylvania
4.56929973 Montenegrin
4.96821900 Bulgaria_Southwestern
4.97359025 Romania_Moldavia_South
5.20452688 Romania_average
5.27672247 Romania_Banat
5.49135685 Romania_Wallachia
5.72050697 Romania_Dobruja
5.97257064 Romania_Muntenia
6.12548774 Bulgaria_average
6.16799805 Macedonian_North
6.29038950 Bulgaria_Northwestern
6.29746775 Serb_Herzegovina
6.52847609 Moldova_South
6.68364422 Bulgaria_Northeastern
6.70783870 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
6.73929522 Romania_Maramures
6.73983679 Macedonian
6.81889287 Bulgaria_Southcentral
6.86837681 Macedonian_South
6.90175340 Serb_Serbia_South
Pretty close. Must be Montenegrin ancestry. Serbs from Herzegovina aren't too different, but bit more north shifted.
Part of Herzegovinian muslims originated from present day Montenegro. But their migration was in distant past (mostly 17th and 18th century).
Bey family Rizvanbegović from Stolac originated from Montenegro. Their ancestor Rizvanbeg came to Stolac from Montenegro in 17th century. They were one of the most powerful families in Herzegovina in 18th and 19th century. Omer paa Latas destroyed power of this family in 1851.
Kula (Fazlagića) near Gacko was founded by bey Fazlagić who arrived from Herceg Novi in 1687 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kula,_Gacko
Together with bey Fazlagić in Kula and some other surrounding places settled bunch of muslim settlers from Bay of Kotor. In that migration to Gacko area came ancestors of Edin Deko, they arrived also from Herceg Novi. In 1687 Venetians took Herceg Novi and few surrounding places from Ottomans and because of that muslims from there moved to the Gacko area and some other parts of Herzegovina.
https://html.scribdassets.com/10wqmpw0e81qg8hp/images/325-17245cd087.png
vbnetkhio
05-09-2021, 03:12 PM
His 23andme results are more "northern" than average despite his gedmatch results. Most people score close to 100% Balkan on my list now whether Serb/Bosniak or Southern Croat.
probably depends heavily on the chip version.
i've seen a result from a very old chip, I think v2, 65-35 Balkan/East Euro on 23andme, but 28-28 NA/Baltic on K13 (typical west-shifted Serb)
This is a Bosniak too, I guess 'cause Irfan is not a Christian name
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.26
2 North_Atlantic 28.24
3 West_Med 14.63
4 East_Med 10.51
5 West_Asian 8.12
6 Red_Sea 3.27
7 Siberian 1.02
8 Sub-Saharan 0.82
9 Amerindian 0.69
10 Oceanian 0.34
11 South_Asian 0.12
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 4.24
2 Moldavian 4.35
3 Hungarian 4.72
4 Serbian 6.62
5 Austrian 8.63
6 East_German 9.22
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.16
8 South_Polish 10.69
9 Romanian 10.69
10 Ukrainian 11.7
11 Bulgarian 13.18
12 Polish 14.13
13 Southwest_Russian 15.37
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.67
15 West_German 15.92
16 Russian_Smolensk 16.6
17 Estonian_Polish 17.18
18 South_Dutch 17.21
19 Belorussian 17.67
20 Southwest_Finnish 18.43
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.9% Tuscan @ 1.87
2 61.3% Serbian + 38.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.16
3 69.1% Serbian + 30.9% Polish @ 2.16
4 66% Polish + 34% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.19
5 69.1% Moldavian + 30.9% Austrian @ 2.25
6 58.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 41.1% North_Italian @ 2.31
7 67.2% Polish + 32.8% West_Sicilian @ 2.33
8 52.8% Moldavian + 47.2% Hungarian @ 2.33
9 63.7% Polish + 36.3% Tuscan @ 2.35
10 59.8% Russian_Smolensk + 40.2% Tuscan @ 2.35
11 63.8% Croatian + 36.2% Serbian @ 2.39
12 77.2% Serbian + 22.8% Estonian @ 2.41
13 82.5% Moldavian + 17.5% South_Dutch @ 2.43
14 87.6% Croatian + 12.4% Tuscan @ 2.47
15 85.9% Moldavian + 14.1% Southeast_English @ 2.49
16 87.9% Croatian + 12.1% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.51
17 62.9% Serbian + 37.1% South_Polish @ 2.51
18 87% Moldavian + 13% Southwest_English @ 2.52
19 81.6% Moldavian + 18.4% West_German @ 2.52
20 86.7% Croatian + 13.3% North_Italian @ 2.52
CommonSense
05-27-2021, 11:01 PM
Bosniak from Konjodor (Bužim municipality) (https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konjodor_(Bu%C5%BEim)):
Kit T354900
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 28.98
2 Baltic 28.37
3 West_Med 18.37
4 East_Med 12.8
5 West_Asian 8.42
6 Red_Sea 1.35
7 Siberian 0.79
8 Amerindian 0.74
9 Oceanian 0.19
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.19
2 Hungarian 7.04
3 Moldavian 7.36
4 Romanian 7.49
5 Croatian 8.42
6 Austrian 9.07
7 Bulgarian 10.15
8 East_German 10.56
9 West_German 14.34
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.92
11 South_Polish 15.11
12 South_Dutch 15.67
13 French 15.81
14 Ukrainian 16.1
15 North_Italian 17.33
16 Greek_Thessaly 17.97
17 Polish 18.73
18 North_German 18.96
19 Portuguese 19.2
20 Spanish_Galicia 19.25
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.5% Croatian + 32.5% North_Italian @ 1.41
2 54.2% North_Italian + 45.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.52
3 53.8% North_Italian + 46.2% Southwest_Russian @ 1.86
4 75% Moldavian + 25% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.99
5 53.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 46.2% North_Italian @ 2.01
6 51.9% Ukrainian + 48.1% North_Italian @ 2.09
7 73.6% Moldavian + 26.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.15
8 75.4% Moldavian + 24.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.23
9 78.1% Moldavian + 21.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.28
10 76.3% Moldavian + 23.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.28
11 76.2% Moldavian + 23.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.29
12 51.1% Bulgarian + 48.9% East_German @ 2.31
13 74.7% Moldavian + 25.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.36
14 73.2% Moldavian + 26.8% Portuguese @ 2.39
15 74.8% Moldavian + 25.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.46
16 55.5% Ukrainian + 44.5% Tuscan @ 2.46
17 71.2% Croatian + 28.8% Tuscan @ 2.46
18 55.3% North_Italian + 44.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.46
19 57.1% South_Polish + 42.9% Tuscan @ 2.49
20 51.7% Polish + 48.3% Tuscan @ 2.55
CommonSense
05-27-2021, 11:16 PM
Bosniak woman from Ljubija (Prijedor municipality) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ljubija_(town)):
Kit T394698
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.78
2 North_Atlantic 22.27
3 West_Med 16.52
4 East_Med 10.83
5 West_Asian 10.04
6 South_Asian 1.65
7 Red_Sea 1.51
8 Amerindian 0.86
9 East_Asian 0.8
10 Sub-Saharan 0.63
11 Oceanian 0.12
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.07
2 Croatian 5.36
3 Serbian 9.11
4 Hungarian 10.23
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.37
6 Romanian 11.33
7 Ukrainian 11.61
8 South_Polish 12.1
9 Bulgarian 12.66
10 Austrian 14.24
11 East_German 14.35
12 Southwest_Russian 14.72
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.74
14 Polish 14.97
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.54
16 Estonian_Polish 17.14
17 Belorussian 18.09
18 Kargopol_Russian 18.6
19 Erzya 19.69
20 Tatar 20.07
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.9% Moldavian + 1.1% Sardinian @ 3.03
2 99% Moldavian + 1% Cyprian @ 3.04
3 99.1% Moldavian + 0.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.04
4 99.2% Moldavian + 0.8% Samaritan @ 3.04
5 99.2% Moldavian + 0.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.04
6 99.2% Moldavian + 0.8% Assyrian @ 3.05
7 99.3% Moldavian + 0.7% Armenian @ 3.05
8 99.3% Moldavian + 0.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.05
9 99.3% Moldavian + 0.7% MA-1 @ 3.05
10 99.4% Moldavian + 0.6% Abhkasian @ 3.05
11 99.3% Moldavian + 0.7% Syrian @ 3.06
12 99.4% Moldavian + 0.6% Georgian @ 3.06
13 99.4% Moldavian + 0.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.06
14 99.4% Moldavian + 0.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.06
15 98.8% Moldavian + 1.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.06
16 99.4% Moldavian + 0.6% Moroccan @ 3.06
17 99.3% Moldavian + 0.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.06
18 98% Moldavian + 2% Bulgarian @ 3.06
19 99.5% Moldavian + 0.5% Bedouin @ 3.06
20 99.5% Moldavian + 0.5% Jordanian @ 3.06
CommonSense
05-27-2021, 11:19 PM
The daughters of the two people above:
Kit T909192
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.93
2 North_Atlantic 23.56
3 West_Med 18.25
4 East_Med 13.07
5 West_Asian 9.89
6 South_Asian 1.21
7 Red_Sea 1.11
8 East_Asian 0.43
9 Amerindian 0.28
10 Oceanian 0.2
11 Sub-Saharan 0.08
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.4
2 Serbian 6.23
3 Croatian 6.94
4 Romanian 8.16
5 Bulgarian 9.61
6 Hungarian 9.8
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.17
8 Austrian 13.31
9 East_German 14.03
10 South_Polish 14.28
11 Ukrainian 14.31
12 Polish 17.57
13 Southwest_Russian 17.76
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.91
15 Greek_Thessaly 18.19
16 Russian_Smolensk 19.49
17 West_German 19.79
18 Estonian_Polish 20.04
19 Belorussian 20.83
20 South_Dutch 21.15
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.1% Moldavian + 7.9% Sardinian @ 2.53
2 59.2% Croatian + 40.8% Bulgarian @ 2.81
3 73.2% Moldavian + 26.8% Bulgarian @ 2.84
4 84.4% Moldavian + 15.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.88
5 74% Croatian + 26% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.91
6 60.5% Bulgarian + 39.5% Ukrainian @ 2.97
7 80% Croatian + 20% Central_Greek @ 2.98
8 56.2% Ukrainian + 43.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.98
9 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% South_Italian @ 3.04
10 88.7% Moldavian + 11.3% Central_Greek @ 3.04
11 58.4% Bulgarian + 41.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.06
12 89.1% Moldavian + 10.9% West_Sicilian @ 3.06
13 64.2% Ukrainian + 35.8% Central_Greek @ 3.08
14 87.9% Moldavian + 12.1% Tuscan @ 3.1
15 82.6% Croatian + 17.4% South_Italian @ 3.1
16 89.4% Moldavian + 10.6% East_Sicilian @ 3.1
17 70.8% Moldavian + 29.2% Romanian @ 3.11
18 91.8% Moldavian + 8.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.11
19 67.8% Ukrainian + 32.2% South_Italian @ 3.15
20 92% Moldavian + 8% Italian_Jewish @ 3.18
Kit FB4653228
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.32
2 North_Atlantic 26.15
3 West_Med 15.57
4 West_Asian 11.17
5 East_Med 9.52
6 Red_Sea 1.57
7 Siberian 1.47
8 Amerindian 0.59
9 Oceanian 0.29
10 South_Asian 0.21
11 Sub-Saharan 0.12
12 East_Asian 0.01
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 2.51
2 Croatian 4.19
3 Hungarian 7.05
4 Serbian 7.79
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.76
6 Austrian 10.82
7 South_Polish 10.84
8 Romanian 10.92
9 East_German 11.18
10 Ukrainian 11.28
11 Bulgarian 13.05
12 Polish 14.23
13 Southwest_Russian 14.8
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.82
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.35
16 Estonian_Polish 17.13
17 Belorussian 17.82
18 West_German 18.09
19 Kargopol_Russian 18.4
20 Tatar 19.21
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.2% Croatian + 7.8% Ossetian @ 1.99
2 94.5% Moldavian + 5.5% Irish @ 2.04
3 91.7% Croatian + 8.3% Balkar @ 2.04
4 94.8% Moldavian + 5.2% West_Scottish @ 2.06
5 94.7% Moldavian + 5.3% Southwest_English @ 2.06
6 88.2% Moldavian + 11.8% Austrian @ 2.07
7 94.3% Moldavian + 5.7% North_Dutch @ 2.08
8 94.5% Moldavian + 5.5% Norwegian @ 2.08
9 94.6% Moldavian + 5.4% Orcadian @ 2.08
10 93.6% Moldavian + 6.4% North_German @ 2.09
11 93.4% Moldavian + 6.6% South_Dutch @ 2.12
12 94.5% Moldavian + 5.5% Danish @ 2.12
13 94.7% Moldavian + 5.3% Southeast_English @ 2.13
14 91.5% Croatian + 8.5% Kabardin @ 2.13
15 89.2% Moldavian + 10.8% East_German @ 2.13
16 94.3% Moldavian + 5.7% Swedish @ 2.14
17 93.2% Moldavian + 6.8% West_German @ 2.15
18 92.2% Croatian + 7.8% North_Ossetian @ 2.15
19 93.1% Croatian + 6.9% Georgian @ 2.16
20 93.5% Croatian + 6.5% Abhkasian @ 2.18
RogueState
05-29-2021, 06:28 PM
The daughters of the two people above:
Kit T909192
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.93
2 North_Atlantic 23.56
3 West_Med 18.25
4 East_Med 13.07
5 West_Asian 9.89
6 South_Asian 1.21
7 Red_Sea 1.11
8 East_Asian 0.43
9 Amerindian 0.28
10 Oceanian 0.2
11 Sub-Saharan 0.08
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.4
2 Serbian 6.23
3 Croatian 6.94
4 Romanian 8.16
5 Bulgarian 9.61
6 Hungarian 9.8
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.17
8 Austrian 13.31
9 East_German 14.03
10 South_Polish 14.28
11 Ukrainian 14.31
12 Polish 17.57
13 Southwest_Russian 17.76
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.91
15 Greek_Thessaly 18.19
16 Russian_Smolensk 19.49
17 West_German 19.79
18 Estonian_Polish 20.04
19 Belorussian 20.83
20 South_Dutch 21.15
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.1% Moldavian + 7.9% Sardinian @ 2.53
2 59.2% Croatian + 40.8% Bulgarian @ 2.81
3 73.2% Moldavian + 26.8% Bulgarian @ 2.84
4 84.4% Moldavian + 15.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.88
5 74% Croatian + 26% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.91
6 60.5% Bulgarian + 39.5% Ukrainian @ 2.97
7 80% Croatian + 20% Central_Greek @ 2.98
8 56.2% Ukrainian + 43.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.98
9 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% South_Italian @ 3.04
10 88.7% Moldavian + 11.3% Central_Greek @ 3.04
11 58.4% Bulgarian + 41.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.06
12 89.1% Moldavian + 10.9% West_Sicilian @ 3.06
13 64.2% Ukrainian + 35.8% Central_Greek @ 3.08
14 87.9% Moldavian + 12.1% Tuscan @ 3.1
15 82.6% Croatian + 17.4% South_Italian @ 3.1
16 89.4% Moldavian + 10.6% East_Sicilian @ 3.1
17 70.8% Moldavian + 29.2% Romanian @ 3.11
18 91.8% Moldavian + 8.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.11
19 67.8% Ukrainian + 32.2% South_Italian @ 3.15
20 92% Moldavian + 8% Italian_Jewish @ 3.18
Kit FB4653228
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.32
2 North_Atlantic 26.15
3 West_Med 15.57
4 West_Asian 11.17
5 East_Med 9.52
6 Red_Sea 1.57
7 Siberian 1.47
8 Amerindian 0.59
9 Oceanian 0.29
10 South_Asian 0.21
11 Sub-Saharan 0.12
12 East_Asian 0.01
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 2.51
2 Croatian 4.19
3 Hungarian 7.05
4 Serbian 7.79
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.76
6 Austrian 10.82
7 South_Polish 10.84
8 Romanian 10.92
9 East_German 11.18
10 Ukrainian 11.28
11 Bulgarian 13.05
12 Polish 14.23
13 Southwest_Russian 14.8
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.82
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.35
16 Estonian_Polish 17.13
17 Belorussian 17.82
18 West_German 18.09
19 Kargopol_Russian 18.4
20 Tatar 19.21
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.2% Croatian + 7.8% Ossetian @ 1.99
2 94.5% Moldavian + 5.5% Irish @ 2.04
3 91.7% Croatian + 8.3% Balkar @ 2.04
4 94.8% Moldavian + 5.2% West_Scottish @ 2.06
5 94.7% Moldavian + 5.3% Southwest_English @ 2.06
6 88.2% Moldavian + 11.8% Austrian @ 2.07
7 94.3% Moldavian + 5.7% North_Dutch @ 2.08
8 94.5% Moldavian + 5.5% Norwegian @ 2.08
9 94.6% Moldavian + 5.4% Orcadian @ 2.08
10 93.6% Moldavian + 6.4% North_German @ 2.09
11 93.4% Moldavian + 6.6% South_Dutch @ 2.12
12 94.5% Moldavian + 5.5% Danish @ 2.12
13 94.7% Moldavian + 5.3% Southeast_English @ 2.13
14 91.5% Croatian + 8.5% Kabardin @ 2.13
15 89.2% Moldavian + 10.8% East_German @ 2.13
16 94.3% Moldavian + 5.7% Swedish @ 2.14
17 93.2% Moldavian + 6.8% West_German @ 2.15
18 92.2% Croatian + 7.8% North_Ossetian @ 2.15
19 93.1% Croatian + 6.9% Georgian @ 2.16
20 93.5% Croatian + 6.5% Abhkasian @ 2.18
These kits should be renamed as Bosniak_Moldova
CommonSense
06-12-2021, 01:04 AM
Bosniak from Sarajevo and Prozor. One grandparent or great grandparent seems to have been from Sandak. The email is linked to GEDCOM
Kit KN4250512
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.14
2 North_Atlantic 22.06
3 East_Med 19.59
4 West_Med 14.78
5 West_Asian 11.53
6 Red_Sea 0.85
7 East_Asian 0.55
8 Oceanian 0.34
9 Amerindian 0.16
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.16
2 Bulgarian 6.24
3 Serbian 6.65
4 Moldavian 9.01
5 Croatian 11.6
6 Hungarian 12.82
7 Greek_Thessaly 14.79
8 Austrian 16.79
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.42
10 South_Polish 18.12
11 East_German 18.14
12 Ukrainian 18.41
13 Southwest_Russian 20.67
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.79
15 Tuscan 20.94
16 North_Italian 21.15
17 Italian_Abruzzo 21.35
18 Central_Greek 21.42
19 Polish 21.58
20 West_German 22.08
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.8% Bulgarian + 21.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.87
2 78.8% Bulgarian + 21.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.93
3 66.3% South_Polish + 33.7% Cyprian @ 3.03
4 50.9% Southwest_Russian + 49.1% Central_Greek @ 3.11
5 50.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 49.2% Central_Greek @ 3.12
6 55.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 44.5% South_Italian @ 3.14
7 81.5% Bulgarian + 18.5% Belorussian @ 3.14
8 84% Bulgarian + 16% Lithuanian @ 3.15
9 58.7% Greek_Thessaly + 41.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.21
10 81.4% Bulgarian + 18.6% Estonian_Polish @ 3.26
11 81.1% Bulgarian + 18.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.27
12 55.7% Southwest_Russian + 44.3% South_Italian @ 3.28
13 66% Ukrainian + 34% Cyprian @ 3.31
14 83% Bulgarian + 17% Erzya @ 3.39
15 57.2% Central_Greek + 42.8% Lithuanian @ 3.41
16 78.5% Croatian + 21.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.44
17 58.6% Greek_Thessaly + 41.4% Southwest_Russian @ 3.47
18 52.9% Central_Greek + 47.1% Belorussian @ 3.52
19 59.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 40.1% Italian_Jewish @ 3.52
20 78% Bulgarian + 22% Ukrainian
CommonSense
09-01-2021, 06:23 PM
Kakva ironija... :rolleyes:
https://i.ibb.co/DDdBsjn/image.png
Varda
09-01-2021, 06:24 PM
Kakva ironija... :rolleyes:
https://i.ibb.co/DDdBsjn/image.png
O čemu zapravo pričaju ti likovi? :)
CommonSense
09-01-2021, 06:29 PM
O čemu zapravo pričaju ti likovi? :)
To je komentar na onaj članak o haplogrupi N2. Očigledno ovome smeta što je Usame u tekstu opšte pomenuo krajiške Srbe.
Varda
09-01-2021, 06:42 PM
To je komentar na onaj članak o haplogrupi N2. Očigledno ovome smeta što je Usame u tekstu opšte pomenuo krajiške Srbe.
Najvisočije frekvencije ove haplogrupe se analogno navedenim migracionim tokovima susreću među Srbima porijeklom iz Like i sjeverne Dalmacije kod kojih se procenat ove haplogrupe kreće u procentu oko 8%. Najviša frekvencija ogranka N-P189.2 među Bošnjacima je observirana u sjeverozapadnoj Bosni, što se najvjerovatnije može dovesti u vezu sa migracijom muslimanskog stanovništva iz Like nakon 1689. godine. Pored Bosanske Krajine se ova haplogrupa u pojedinačnim slučajevima pojavljuje i među Bošnjacima Usore, Semberije i Gornjeg Podrinja. Ova haplogrupa je među Bošnjacima i susjednim zapadnobalkanskim narodima prisutna preko mutacije N-FT182494.
Krajiški Srbi su najtipičniji predstavnici haplogrupe N2-Y6503 na svijetu.
Altajci, Skiti :) https://bosnjackidnk.com/n2-y6503/
CommonSense
09-01-2021, 06:55 PM
Najvisočije frekvencije ove haplogrupe se analogno navedenim migracionim tokovima susreću među Srbima porijeklom iz Like i sjeverne Dalmacije kod kojih se procenat ove haplogrupe kreće u procentu oko 8%. Najviša frekvencija ogranka N-P189.2 među Bošnjacima je observirana u sjeverozapadnoj Bosni, što se najvjerovatnije može dovesti u vezu sa migracijom muslimanskog stanovništva iz Like nakon 1689. godine. Pored Bosanske Krajine se ova haplogrupa u pojedinačnim slučajevima pojavljuje i među Bošnjacima Usore, Semberije i Gornjeg Podrinja. Ova haplogrupa je među Bošnjacima i susjednim zapadnobalkanskim narodima prisutna preko mutacije N-FT182494.
Krajiški Srbi su najtipičniji predstavnici haplogrupe N2-Y6503 na svijetu.
Altajci, Skiti :) https://bosnjackidnk.com/n2-y6503/
Lepo im je rekao čovek da su Bošnjaci Krajine većinski istog porekla kao i mi. Ali ovi talibani nikako da se pomire s tim da potomaka "dobrih Bošnjana" nema van srednje Bosne.
Albertón
09-01-2021, 08:27 PM
very good
Varda
09-01-2021, 10:47 PM
Lepo im je rekao čovek da su Bošnjaci Krajine većinski istog porekla kao i mi. Ali ovi talibani nikako da se pomire s tim da potomaka "dobrih Bošnjana" nema van srednje Bosne.
Jako dobar post od drajvera (Siniše Jerkovića) o bosanskim muslimanima i njihovim genetsko-lingvističkim vezama sa prrkodrinskim Srbima https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=886.msg160939#msg160939
Nebojša je napisao da bi na osnovu y dnk dnk bilo logično da su zapadnobosanski muslimani ijekavci a ne ikavci kao što jesu, zbog znatnih genetskih veza sa krajiškim Srbima koji su ijekavci (Krajišnici su više jekavci, ali nema veze). U tim krajevima jekavica i ikavica su bile fluidne kroz vekove. Bilo je i pravoslavnih ikavaca i muslimanskih jekavaca nekad, ali su se prvi kroz naslage vremena iskristali kao jekavci a drugi kao ikavci (sa ostacima ovog drugog izgovora jata i kod jednih i kod drugih, npr. Srbi B. Krajine imaju neke ikavizme u govoru koji kojih nema u IH i SH, dok ikavica muslimana C. Krajine nije čista kao ona iz Završja ili Dalmacije jer oni imaju brojne jekavizme u govoru). Drajver je na dobrom tragu kad kaže da su i krajiški Srbi i zapadnobosanski muslimani dominantno "vlaškog" (čitaj hercegovačkog) porekla, njihovi novoštokavski govori su inače vrlo srodni međusobno bez obzir na izgovor jata (mada i tu ima preklapanja a u prošlosti ih je bilo još više).
S druge strane srednjobosanski muslimani i Šokci dominantno ishode iz ratarske kaste (a ne iz vlaške/stočarske kaste kao krajiški Srbi, zapadnobosanski muslimani i Bunjevci). Srednjobosanske muslimane i Šokce povezuje staroštokavski govor tj. istočnobosanski (jekavsko-šćakavski) i slavonski (ikavsko-šćakavski) su srodni kao što su govori krajiški Srba, zapadnobosanskih muslimana i Bunjevaca.
CommonSense
09-01-2021, 11:26 PM
Jako dobar post od drajvera (Siniše Jerkovića) o bosanskim muslimanima i njihovim genetsko-lingvističkim vezama sa prrkodrinskim Srbima https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=886.msg160939#msg160939
Nebojša je napisao da bi na osnovu y dnk dnk bilo logično da su zapadnobosanski muslimani ijekavci a ne ikavci kao što jesu, zbog znatnih genetskih veza sa krajiškim Srbima koji su ijekavci (Krajišnici su više jekavci, ali nema veze). U tim krajevima jekavica i ikavica su bile fluidne kroz vekove. Bilo je i pravoslavnih ikavaca i muslimanskih jekavaca nekad, ali su se prvi kroz naslage vremena iskristali kao jekavci a drugi kao ikavci (sa ostacima ovog drugog izgovora jata i kod jednih i kod drugih, npr. Srbi B. Krajine imaju neke ikavizme u govoru koji kojih nema u IZ i SH, dok ikavica muslimana C. Krajine nije čista kao ona iz Završja ili Dalmacije jer oni imaju brojne jekavizme u govoru). Drajver je na dobrom tragu kad kaže da su i krajiški Srbi i zapadnobosanski muslinani dominantno "vlaškog" (čitaj hercegovačkog) porekla, njihovi novoštokavski govori su inače vrlo srodni međusobno bez obzir na izgovor jata (mada i tu ima preklapanja a u prošlosti ih je bilo još više).
S druge strane srednjobosanski muslimani i Šokci dominantno ishode iz ratarske (a ne iz vlaške/stočarske kaste kao krajiški Srbi, zapadnobosanski muslimani i Bunjevci). Srednjobosanske muslimane i Šokce povezuje staroštokavski govor tj. istočnobosanski (jekavsko-šćakavski) i slavonski (ikavsko-šćakavski) su srodni kao što su govori krajiški Srba, zapadnobosanskih muslimana i Bunjevaca.
Znam za sve to, čitao sam celu diskusiju istog dana kad je Nebojša objavio statistiku. I slažem se s njim da je ijekavska, istočnohercegovačka struja sigurno bila najdominantija kod muslimana u Bosanskoj Krajini, jer bi u suprotnom njihova Y-DNK slika bila nešto drugačija, posebno kad su u pitanju neslovenski haplotipovi. Njihova ikavizacija je jednstavno posledica oređenih socio-kulturnih procesa. Tako i danas Bošnjaci u Tutinu i Novom Pazaru više ne pričaju Albanski iako je većem delu njihovih predaka to bio maternji jezik.
Varda
09-02-2021, 12:00 AM
Znam za sve to, čitao sam celu diskusiju istog dana kad je Nebojša objavio statistiku. I slažem se s njim da je ijekavska, istočnohercegovačka struja sigurno bila najdominantija kod muslimana u Bosanskoj Krajini, jer bi u suprotnom njihova Y-DNK slika bila nešto drugačija, posebno kad su u pitanju neslovenski haplotipovi. Njihova ikavizacija je jednstavno posledica oređenih socio-kulturnih procesa. Tako i danas Bošnjaci u Tutinu i Novom Pazaru više ne pričaju Albanski iako je većem delu njihovih predaka to bio maternji jezik.
Muslimani iz Bosanske Krajine imaju veći % N2-Y6503, I1-FGC22045 i J2b-M205 od muslimana iz drugih krajeva BiH. Sve tri ove haplogrupe ishode iz istočne i stare Hercegovine. U Cernici kod Gacka su u dva skeleta našli N2-Y6503 a u jednom I1-FGC22045 i on pripada knezu Nikoli Raškoviću Drobnjaku (njegovo ime stoji na stećku ispod kojeg je izvađen skelet), sva tri skeleta su datirana na XIV/XV v. Sve tri ove haplogrupe su povišene i kod krajiških Srba. Zapadnobosanski muslimani imaju veze sa krajiškim Srbima i po drugim haplogrupama kao npr. Bosniensis, o tome znaju detaljnije Siniša i Nebojša.
U muslimanskom selu Brekovica kod Bihaća samo iskaču I1-P109 jedan za drugim a sve različita prezimena, jače nego na drobnjačkom Žabljaku :) https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=886.msg161001#msg161001
Lots of propaganda spread around here. Recently my father's haplogroup had additional markers tested, and testing was even paid by one Serb who belongs to same I-A5913 subclade. Turns out, my father's branch has no any recent relation with Bosnian and Montenegrin Serbs there that are ultimately of eastern Herzegovina origin. However he is possibly in same branch as one Istrian Croat who has deep origin exactly from pre-Ottoman western Bosnia. Remains to be seen, but now is confirmed he does not share any recent ancestry with Serbs.
And using Bosniensis who is quater Gorani as some sort of example of typical genetics in the region is misleading. He's a muslim Serb who even has recent ancestors from Montenegro and Croatia included.
Varda
09-04-2021, 03:52 PM
Lots of propaganda spread around here. Recently my father's haplogroup had additional markers tested, and testing was even paid by one Serb who belongs to same I-A5913 subclade. Turns out, my father's branch has no any recent relation with Bosnian and Montenegrin Serbs there that are ultimately of eastern Herzegovina origin. However he is possibly in same branch as one Istrian Croat who has deep origin exactly from pre-Ottoman western Bosnia. Remains to be seen, but now is confirmed he does not share any recent ancestry with Serbs.
And using Bosniensis who is quater Gorani as some sort of example of typical genetics in the region is misleading. He's a muslim Serb who even has recent ancestors from Montenegro and Croatia included.
https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=886.msg160946#msg160946
Prevod na latinicu.
Srbi iz srednjeg Pounja...
Mogao sam u ovaj presek uračunati i testirane iz krajeva bliže Sani (Lušci Palanka, Budimlić Japra, Majkić Japra, itd), pošto je to stanovništvo praktično istog porekla, ali kako kod muslimana nisam računao testirane odatle, iste kriterijume zadržao sam i za Srba.
Iako uzorak nije zadovoljavajući, rezultati jesu dosta slični. Moguće da muslimani imaju nešto više R1a, mada su i srpski rodovi koji pripadaju ovoj haplogrupi prilično razgranati na prostoru Srednjeg Pounja. Generalno je povišena I1-P109 u ovom delu Bosanske Krajine, što se vidi i kod Srba i kod muslimana. Procenti ostalih haplogrupa se takođe prilično poklapaju. Odudara jedino nizak procenat R1b kod Srba, ali ova je haplogrupa generalno slabo zastupljena kod ktajiških Srba.
I now have final proof my paternal lineage has no relations with Serbs. But I knew that from before, since it has a hotspot in western Herzegovina and surname peaks among Croats while among Serbs it does not exist. There's a Pole with potential Rusyn origin in that branch, would be cool if my father was related to him instead, but for that I'd need to do a deeper test.
Varda
09-04-2021, 04:07 PM
I now have final proof my paternal lineage has no relations with Serbs. But I knew that from before, since it has a hotspot in western Herzegovina and surname peaks among Croats while among Serbs it does not exist. There's a Pole with potential Rusyn origin in that branch, would be cool if my father was related to him instead, but for that I'd need to do a deeper test.
What about Serbs from East Herzegovina and Romanija who belong to same branch as your pape?
What about Serbs from East Herzegovina and Romanija who belong to same branch as your pape?
Did two additional STR markers tests, but my father is negative for them. It means they belong to different subbranches than him.
https://yfull.com/tree/I-A5913/
Serbs are under I-A22312 sub-branch of A5913 as you can see. My dad isn't however. So no common ancestors in last 1500 years at least, if I am reading the chart well.
Bosniak. Very Nordo-Slavic! Y DNA is I2-PF3634
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.42
2 North_Atlantic 22.68
3 West_Med 15.39
4 East_Med 11.58
5 West_Asian 9.47
6 Amerindian 1.05
7 Red_Sea 0.9
8 Siberian 0.69
9 Sub-Saharan 0.69
10 Northeast_African 0.09
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.28
2 Croatian 4.93
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.84
4 Ukrainian 9.77
5 Hungarian 10.39
6 South_Polish 10.49
7 Serbian 10.56
8 Southwest_Russian 12.43
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.62
10 Romanian 13.07
11 Polish 13.22
12 Bulgarian 14.34
13 Russian_Smolensk 14.55
14 East_German 14.63
15 Austrian 14.79
16 Estonian_Polish 15.02
17 Belorussian 15.93
18 Kargopol_Russian 16.68
19 Erzya 17.62
20 Tatar 19.71
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.5% Ukrainian + 17.5% Cyprian @ 2.9
2 58.4% Bulgarian + 41.6% Lithuanian @ 3.07
3 53.8% Southwest_Russian + 46.2% Bulgarian @ 3.22
4 53.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.6% Bulgarian @ 3.29
5 60.3% Ukrainian + 39.7% Bulgarian @ 3.32
6 51.2% Bulgarian + 48.8% Estonian_Polish @ 3.35
7 50.4% Bulgarian + 49.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.35
8 76.5% Ukrainian + 23.5% Central_Greek @ 3.39
9 65.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 34.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.49
10 83.1% Moldavian + 16.9% Southwest_Russian @ 3.53
11 60.3% Lithuanian + 39.7% Central_Greek @ 3.53
12 84.7% Ukrainian + 15.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.54
13 71.5% Ukrainian + 28.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.55
14 65.7% Southwest_Russian + 34.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.56
15 83.5% Moldavian + 16.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.56
16 84.5% Ukrainian + 15.5% Samaritan @ 3.6
17 53.8% Lithuanian + 46.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.6
18 77.4% Ukrainian + 22.6% East_Sicilian @ 3.6
19 79.1% Ukrainian + 20.9% South_Italian @ 3.63
20 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% Erzya @ 3.63
Gedrosia 4.36 Pct
Siberian 0.31 Pct
Northwest_African 0.29 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 24.94 Pct
North_European 48.05 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.6 Pct
Southwest_Asian 3.71 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.73 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Bosniak. Very Nordo-Slavic! Y DNA is I2-PF3634
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.42
2 North_Atlantic 22.68
3 West_Med 15.39
4 East_Med 11.58
5 West_Asian 9.47
6 Amerindian 1.05
7 Red_Sea 0.9
8 Siberian 0.69
9 Sub-Saharan 0.69
10 Northeast_African 0.09
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.28
2 Croatian 4.93
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.84
4 Ukrainian 9.77
5 Hungarian 10.39
6 South_Polish 10.49
7 Serbian 10.56
8 Southwest_Russian 12.43
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.62
10 Romanian 13.07
11 Polish 13.22
12 Bulgarian 14.34
13 Russian_Smolensk 14.55
14 East_German 14.63
15 Austrian 14.79
16 Estonian_Polish 15.02
17 Belorussian 15.93
18 Kargopol_Russian 16.68
19 Erzya 17.62
20 Tatar 19.71
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.5% Ukrainian + 17.5% Cyprian @ 2.9
2 58.4% Bulgarian + 41.6% Lithuanian @ 3.07
3 53.8% Southwest_Russian + 46.2% Bulgarian @ 3.22
4 53.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.6% Bulgarian @ 3.29
5 60.3% Ukrainian + 39.7% Bulgarian @ 3.32
6 51.2% Bulgarian + 48.8% Estonian_Polish @ 3.35
7 50.4% Bulgarian + 49.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.35
8 76.5% Ukrainian + 23.5% Central_Greek @ 3.39
9 65.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 34.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.49
10 83.1% Moldavian + 16.9% Southwest_Russian @ 3.53
11 60.3% Lithuanian + 39.7% Central_Greek @ 3.53
12 84.7% Ukrainian + 15.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.54
13 71.5% Ukrainian + 28.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.55
14 65.7% Southwest_Russian + 34.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.56
15 83.5% Moldavian + 16.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.56
16 84.5% Ukrainian + 15.5% Samaritan @ 3.6
17 53.8% Lithuanian + 46.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.6
18 77.4% Ukrainian + 22.6% East_Sicilian @ 3.6
19 79.1% Ukrainian + 20.9% South_Italian @ 3.63
20 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% Erzya @ 3.63
Gedrosia 4.36 Pct
Siberian 0.31 Pct
Northwest_African 0.29 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 24.94 Pct
North_European 48.05 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.6 Pct
Southwest_Asian 3.71 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.73 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
I agree, that Baltic score is super high for someone from Balkans.
CommonSense
12-27-2021, 03:34 PM
Fully Bosniak from Bosnia. No specific towns are listed in her family tree, but judging by the surnames she is likely from Bosanska Krajina:
Kit FU4328854
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.81
2 North_Atlantic 24.22
3 West_Med 16.88
4 West_Asian 12.08
5 East_Med 11.53
6 Red_Sea 1.59
7 Siberian 0.64
8 Oceanian 0.58
9 Northeast_African 0.31
10 Amerindian 0.19
11 East_Asian 0.17
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.58
2 Serbian 6.46
3 Croatian 6.55
4 Romanian 8.63
5 Hungarian 9.13
6 Bulgarian 10.34
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.46
8 Austrian 12.67
9 East_German 13.48
10 South_Polish 13.65
11 Ukrainian 13.88
12 Polish 16.99
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.13
14 Southwest_Russian 17.16
15 Russian_Smolensk 18.91
16 Greek_Thessaly 19.12
17 West_German 19.23
18 Estonian_Polish 19.65
19 Belorussian 20.38
20 Tatar 20.6
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.9% Moldavian + 20.1% Bulgarian @ 2.55
2 91.1% Moldavian + 8.9% Central_Greek @ 2.57
3 91% Moldavian + 9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.58
4 77.1% Moldavian + 22.9% Romanian @ 2.62
5 92.5% Moldavian + 7.5% South_Italian @ 2.63
6 95% Moldavian + 5% Armenian @ 2.66
7 95.1% Moldavian + 4.9% Georgian @ 2.67
8 91.9% Moldavian + 8.1% East_Sicilian @ 2.68
9 88.9% Moldavian + 11.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.7
10 95.4% Moldavian + 4.6% Abhkasian @ 2.7
11 92.1% Moldavian + 7.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.75
12 94.7% Moldavian + 5.3% Cyprian @ 2.76
13 91.2% Moldavian + 8.8% Tuscan @ 2.77
14 95.3% Moldavian + 4.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.8
15 88.4% Croatian + 11.6% Armenian @ 2.8
16 94.4% Moldavian + 5.6% Turkish @ 2.84
17 95.4% Moldavian + 4.6% Assyrian @ 2.84
18 95.1% Moldavian + 4.9% Ossetian @ 2.85
19 94.3% Moldavian + 5.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.87
20 95.3% Moldavian + 4.7% Sardinian @ 2.88
Bosniak. Very Nordo-Slavic! Y DNA is I2-PF3634
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.42
2 North_Atlantic 22.68
3 West_Med 15.39
4 East_Med 11.58
5 West_Asian 9.47
6 Amerindian 1.05
7 Red_Sea 0.9
8 Siberian 0.69
9 Sub-Saharan 0.69
10 Northeast_African 0.09
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.28
2 Croatian 4.93
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.84
4 Ukrainian 9.77
5 Hungarian 10.39
6 South_Polish 10.49
7 Serbian 10.56
8 Southwest_Russian 12.43
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.62
10 Romanian 13.07
11 Polish 13.22
12 Bulgarian 14.34
13 Russian_Smolensk 14.55
14 East_German 14.63
15 Austrian 14.79
16 Estonian_Polish 15.02
17 Belorussian 15.93
18 Kargopol_Russian 16.68
19 Erzya 17.62
20 Tatar 19.71
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.5% Ukrainian + 17.5% Cyprian @ 2.9
2 58.4% Bulgarian + 41.6% Lithuanian @ 3.07
3 53.8% Southwest_Russian + 46.2% Bulgarian @ 3.22
4 53.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.6% Bulgarian @ 3.29
5 60.3% Ukrainian + 39.7% Bulgarian @ 3.32
6 51.2% Bulgarian + 48.8% Estonian_Polish @ 3.35
7 50.4% Bulgarian + 49.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.35
8 76.5% Ukrainian + 23.5% Central_Greek @ 3.39
9 65.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 34.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.49
10 83.1% Moldavian + 16.9% Southwest_Russian @ 3.53
11 60.3% Lithuanian + 39.7% Central_Greek @ 3.53
12 84.7% Ukrainian + 15.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.54
13 71.5% Ukrainian + 28.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.55
14 65.7% Southwest_Russian + 34.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.56
15 83.5% Moldavian + 16.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.56
16 84.5% Ukrainian + 15.5% Samaritan @ 3.6
17 53.8% Lithuanian + 46.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.6
18 77.4% Ukrainian + 22.6% East_Sicilian @ 3.6
19 79.1% Ukrainian + 20.9% South_Italian @ 3.63
20 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% Erzya @ 3.63
Gedrosia 4.36 Pct
Siberian 0.31 Pct
Northwest_African 0.29 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 24.94 Pct
North_European 48.05 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.6 Pct
Southwest_Asian 3.71 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.73 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Any idea where in Bosnia is he from?
Bosniak. Very Nordo-Slavic! Y DNA is I2-PF3634
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.42
2 North_Atlantic 22.68
3 West_Med 15.39
4 East_Med 11.58
5 West_Asian 9.47
6 Amerindian 1.05
7 Red_Sea 0.9
8 Siberian 0.69
9 Sub-Saharan 0.69
10 Northeast_African 0.09
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.28
2 Croatian 4.93
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.84
4 Ukrainian 9.77
5 Hungarian 10.39
6 South_Polish 10.49
7 Serbian 10.56
8 Southwest_Russian 12.43
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.62
10 Romanian 13.07
11 Polish 13.22
12 Bulgarian 14.34
13 Russian_Smolensk 14.55
14 East_German 14.63
15 Austrian 14.79
16 Estonian_Polish 15.02
17 Belorussian 15.93
18 Kargopol_Russian 16.68
19 Erzya 17.62
20 Tatar 19.71
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.5% Ukrainian + 17.5% Cyprian @ 2.9
2 58.4% Bulgarian + 41.6% Lithuanian @ 3.07
3 53.8% Southwest_Russian + 46.2% Bulgarian @ 3.22
4 53.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.6% Bulgarian @ 3.29
5 60.3% Ukrainian + 39.7% Bulgarian @ 3.32
6 51.2% Bulgarian + 48.8% Estonian_Polish @ 3.35
7 50.4% Bulgarian + 49.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.35
8 76.5% Ukrainian + 23.5% Central_Greek @ 3.39
9 65.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 34.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.49
10 83.1% Moldavian + 16.9% Southwest_Russian @ 3.53
11 60.3% Lithuanian + 39.7% Central_Greek @ 3.53
12 84.7% Ukrainian + 15.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.54
13 71.5% Ukrainian + 28.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.55
14 65.7% Southwest_Russian + 34.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.56
15 83.5% Moldavian + 16.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.56
16 84.5% Ukrainian + 15.5% Samaritan @ 3.6
17 53.8% Lithuanian + 46.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.6
18 77.4% Ukrainian + 22.6% East_Sicilian @ 3.6
19 79.1% Ukrainian + 20.9% South_Italian @ 3.63
20 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% Erzya @ 3.63
Gedrosia 4.36 Pct
Siberian 0.31 Pct
Northwest_African 0.29 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 24.94 Pct
North_European 48.05 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.6 Pct
Southwest_Asian 3.71 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.73 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
73% total Euro score & Nordic haplo! That's cool af! :cool:
Now I just wondered how would a Bosniak-Russian(not Northern) mix look like :rolleyes: I guess something like ancient Slavs(?) Also there are many Slavic-Turkic mixes in Eurasian area (tho had never seen any of them cus they're not that in touch much, I guess) 1/4 Turkish + 1/4 Bosniak + 1/4 Russian + 1/4 Central Asian Turkic = The Dopest mixture in the world history :bow00001::joker000:
Any idea where in Bosnia is he from?
Unfortunately not. I don't even remember who that was, posted it exactly a month ago. Probably saw him in someone's match list.
Unfortunately not. I don't even remember who that was, posted it exactly a month ago. Probably saw him in someone's match list.
he could be from Kakanj, central Bosnia, and his results would fit that area, but it's not 100% sure. I just found a man with his name from there, but there are other people carrying same name so not confirmed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakanj
Edit: he really is probably from Kakanj area. one of his closest matches is Bosniak with gedcom that has some locations around Kakanj
Bosniak from Prijedor (from Facebook). He is living in Sweden.
https://scontent.fzag3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/269504833_929511827770869_251597018714185980_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_eui2=AeGUfXj2NksgU-pcJsymC_IRr9Dt5BVPRcCv0O3kFU9FwMqVbFwrTtPYCo9Wz0yb SE-_KhmqbtFKivH1TUWchz83&_nc_ohc=g5qy79DKZ0YAX-ary8t&_nc_ht=scontent.fzag3-1.fna&oh=03_AVKOULdqbsDCSfxTrcDhA2-Zy0bsc6jLkcTJ6GF2NsjnYA&oe=61F78BBB
Marsa
01-17-2022, 10:01 PM
Bosniaks from Travnik
1.)
Population
North_Atlantic 28.51 Pct
Baltic 31.62 Pct
West_Med 14.24 Pct
West_Asian 5.39 Pct
East_Med 13.39 Pct
Red_Sea 2.83 Pct
South_Asian 2.63 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.92 Pct
Oceanian 0.47 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
2.)
Population
North_Atlantic 22.57 Pct
Baltic 34.73 Pct
West_Med 17.04 Pct
West_Asian 5.27 Pct
East_Med 12.79 Pct
Red_Sea 2.16 Pct
South_Asian 4.29 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.59 Pct
Oceanian 0.52 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Banja Luka
Population
North_Atlantic 30.89 Pct
Baltic 30.94 Pct
West_Med 15.26 Pct
West_Asian 8.65 Pct
East_Med 9.62 Pct
Red_Sea 3.28 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.3 Pct
Oceanian 0.07 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Tuzla
1.)
Population
North_Atlantic 26.36 Pct
Baltic 36.07 Pct
West_Med 15.09 Pct
West_Asian 5.56 Pct
East_Med 12.97 Pct
Red_Sea 1.75 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.86 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.35 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
2.) Close relative
Population
North_Atlantic 24.57 Pct
Baltic 35.78 Pct
West_Med 16.28 Pct
West_Asian 10.39 Pct
East_Med 7.67 Pct
Red_Sea 2.21 Pct
South_Asian 0.86 Pct
East_Asian 1.25 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.43 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.55 Pct
Sarajevo
Population
North_Atlantic 26 Pct
Baltic 30.42 Pct
West_Med 17.55 Pct
West_Asian 9.1 Pct
East_Med 14.07 Pct
Red_Sea 1.65 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.17 Pct
Amerindian 0.6 Pct
Oceanian 0.44 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Prijedor
Population
North_Atlantic 23.21 Pct
Baltic 38.08 Pct
West_Med 13.37 Pct
West_Asian 6.13 Pct
East_Med 12.63 Pct
Red_Sea 2.08 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.93 Pct
Siberian 0.13 Pct
Amerindian 2.82 Pct
Oceanian 0.61 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Ključ
Population
North_Atlantic 24.75 Pct
Baltic 32.26 Pct
West_Med 15.94 Pct
West_Asian 11.1 Pct
East_Med 12.29 Pct
Red_Sea 1.4 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.25 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.01 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Bihač
Population
North_Atlantic 28.73 Pct
Baltic 33.14 Pct
West_Med 14.08 Pct
West_Asian 5.71 Pct
East_Med 14.33 Pct
Red_Sea 1.1 Pct
South_Asian 0.49 Pct
East_Asian 0.33 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 2 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.1 Pct
No location given, just Bosnia and Hercegovina
Population
North_Atlantic 24.22 Pct
Baltic 31.81 Pct
West_Med 16.88 Pct
West_Asian 12.08 Pct
East_Med 11.53 Pct
Red_Sea 1.59 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.17 Pct
Siberian 0.64 Pct
Amerindian 0.19 Pct
Oceanian 0.58 Pct
Northeast_African 0.31 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
I can send kits if you need them.
Maybe somebody like Vbn could update Bosniak average with new samples? Got a lot recently. I'd do it myself but have no older samples stored. No need for regional division imo, just update general average if possible is enough. they seem to vary regionally anyway
Russki
01-18-2022, 09:26 AM
They are artificially closer to Moldovans than to countries between them due to admixture match, but in reality countries bordering Bosnia are more "Bosnian-like".
They are artificially closer to Moldovans than to countries between them due to admixture match, but in reality countries bordering Bosnia are more "Bosnian-like".
These are outdated oracles (Moldovan average included east slavs and one part gypsy, Croatian average is based on just one sample with atypical high Baltic etc). People should use updated Vahaduo K13.
however Moldovans do have similar genetic breakdown as south Slavs indeed (slavic and southern)
Distance to: Bosniak
1.56163376 Croat_East
2.56573576 Moldovan_North
3.29699864 Croat
4.00857830 Croat_South
4.41583514 Ukrainian_Carpathians
4.65542694 Lemko_Poland
4.71554875 Hungarian_Alföld
4.82586780 Croat_West
5.01732997 Romanian_North-Moldavia
5.05541294 Serb_Republika_Srpska
5.12096671 Croat_North
5.22025861 Moldovan_Central
5.45078893 Moldovan
5.72807996 Hungarian_North
5.80510982 Hungarian
6.41528643 Serb_Croatia
6.49907686 Csángó-Ceangău
6.68534965 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.97853136 Romanian_Maramureș
7.09046543 Serb_West
7.20150679 Serb
7.29778734 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.36645098 Slovene
7.41681873 Slovak
7.46067021 Ukrainian_Galicia
Distance to: Bosniak_Sandžak
1.27074781 Serb_Montenegro
1.34268388 Romanian_Oltenia
2.26426589 Romanian_Wallachia
2.29128785 Romanian_Banat
2.29769450 Bulgarian_Southwestern
2.43135765 Montenegrin
2.47163913 Romanian_Muntenia
2.59669020 Romanian_Dobruja
2.79615808 Romanian
2.81028468 Romanian_Transylvania
3.20137470 Bulgarian_Northwestern
3.33034533 Bulgarian
3.47158465 Romanian_South-Moldavia
3.78806019 Moldovan_South
4.03093041 North_Macedonian_North
4.06910310 Bulgarian_Northcentral
4.13064160 Romanian_Crișana
4.15563473 Bulgarian_Southcentral
4.47106251 North_Macedonian_East
4.55711532 Serb_Herzegovina
4.70316914 Serb_South
4.79548746 Bulgarian_Northeastern
5.22211643 Serb_Vojvodina
5.41302134 Pomak_Bulgaria
5.99570680 North_Macedonian_Central
Ayetooey
01-18-2022, 10:26 AM
Indigenous Bosniaks are very close to southern and eastern Croats. Sarajevo seems to be the most Serb like, evident from the above sample but also some of the old academic samples. Perhaps this is due to receiving Muslim migrants from Serbia/Montenegro after independence and more recent sandzak migrants.
Varda
01-18-2022, 10:40 AM
Indigenous Bosniaks are very close to southern and eastern Croats. Sarajevo seems to be the most Serb like, evident from the above sample but also some of the old academic samples. Perhaps this is due to receiving Muslim migrants from Serbia/Montenegro after independence and more recent sandzak migrants.
Southern and eastern Croatians are not close to each other. Southern Croatians are quite closet to Bosnian Serbs than to eastern Croatians.
Large part of "Bosniaks" are not native in Bosnia, but descendants of Muslim refugees from surrounding regions from late 17th to 19th century. In 19th century tons of Muslims from Serbia moved to Bosnia and mostly settled in eastern and northeastern Bosnia. That people had nothing to do with Sandakians (islamized Montenegrin-Albanian hybrids). They were Muslim Serbs from western and central Serbia.
Ayetooey
01-18-2022, 10:46 AM
Southern and eastern Croatians are not close to each other. Southern Croatians are quite closet to Bosnian Serbs than to eastern Croatians.
Large part of "Bosniaks" are not native in Bosnia, but descendants of Muslim refugees from surrounding regions from late 17th to 19th century. In 19th century tons of Muslims from Serbia moved to Bosnia and mostly settled in eastern and northeastern Bosnia. That people had nothing to do with Sandžakians (islamized Montenegrin-Albanian hybrids). They were Muslim Serbs from western and central Serbia.
Yeah I’m aware there was local Serbs who were islamised and not Sandzakians, that’s why I mentioned the two separately. Indigenous Bosniaks from rural regions seem to range from southern Croat like to eastern Croat like is my observation, not that southern/eastern Croats are the same. it’s Sarajevo Bosniaks who seem to be more similar to Bosnian Serbs, probably because many of them are like Bosniensis and have roots outside Bosnia. For indigenous rural Bosniaks it isn’t uncommon for them to hit Baltic in the mid to high 30s, something which isn’t common in any serb group.
Southern and eastern Croatians are not close to each other. Southern Croatians are quite closet to Bosnian Serbs than to eastern Croatians.
No. southern and eastern Croats are very similar genetically, we just lacked proper east Croat average. Soon it will be fixed.
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