Berber dna result. [Archive] - The Apricity Forum: A European Cultural Community

Ljubic

05-17-2019, 01:55 PM

Adamm

05-17-2019, 01:57 PM

our nMonte3 oracle results
nMonte3 calculator by Ger Huijbregts

Eurogenes K36

N_Levant_AinGhazal5 2.262314
i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD 3.203434
I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD 3.210912
i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD 3.330386
Egyptian_mumy_I_JK2888_ 3.356757
I0867_Levant_PPNB 3.523374
I3578_EMA_Andalusia 3.591803
EN_Anatolia_Tepe002 3.653982

Population Value

N_Levant_AinGhazal5 36.8
TAF009_Iberomaurasian 29.2
Egyptian_mumy_I_JK2888_ 6.6
Natufian__1072 5.2
i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD 3.4
i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD 3
I0867_Levant_PPNB 2.8
I3578_EMA_Andalusia 2.8
EN_Anatolia_Tepe002 2.6
I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD 1.8
Egyptian_mummy_II_JK2134_ 1.4
N_Greece_Revenia5 0.8
N_Levant__AinGhazal3 0.8
EMA_Alpine_STR_535 0.6
CL25_south_Italian 0.4
MA2196_Ottoman_14001600 0.4
Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_1 0.2
CL121__north-Italian 0.2
CL38_Greek_south-Italian 0.2
Egyptian_mummy_III_jk2911_ 0.2
IA_LevantEgypt_Gladiator_3DRIF26 0.2
N_Bar8_Anatolia 0.2
SZ40_Italian 0.2

Adamm

05-17-2019, 01:58 PM

They are different because the companies use different people as samples. As you can see in your results, the differences arent that big. None of them are "correct" because they are just estimates and broadly categorized ones at that.

Aha oke thank you, do you perhaps know a way how I can become certain of the Jewish admixture?

Bellbeaking

05-17-2019, 02:40 PM

how much SSA do you have? Upload to Gedmatch :D

Are you 100% Moroccan as far as you know?

dududud

05-17-2019, 02:57 PM

Gedmatch.

Adamm

05-17-2019, 03:09 PM

how much SSA do you have? Upload to Gedmatch :D

Are you 100% Moroccan as far as you know?

Which GEDmatch option (calculator) do I need to pick?

I'm 100% Moroccan, we had rumors about Jewish roots from my fathers side, but then again those were only rumors.

Lucas

05-17-2019, 05:49 PM

Which GEDmatch option (calculator) do I need to pick?

I'm 100% Moroccan, we had rumors about Jewish roots from my fathers side, but then again those were only rumors.

You can try also on yourdnaportal where you uploaded, nMonte oracles for K15, K27, Neolithic Ancient Near East etc. Could be interesting aswell.

Adamm

05-18-2019, 01:31 AM

You can try also on yourdnaportal where you uploaded, nMonte oracles for K15, K27, Neolithic Ancient Near East etc. Could be interesting aswell.

Alright thanks for the suggestions, here are the results:

Your nMonte3 oracle results
nMonte3 calculator by Ger Huijbregts

EUtest V2 K15

Closest population distances
Population Distance
Tunisian 0.6673134
Moroccan 0.7667738
Mozabite_Berber 0.7684166
Algerian 0.8382416
Algerian_Jew 2.0322202
Egyptian 2.1760188
Tunisian_Jew 2.1819391
Libyan_Jew 2.2210388

Population Value
Tunisian 54.4
Moroccan 19
Stuttgart 5.2
NE1 4.4
Ethiopian_Amhara 3
CO1 2.6
Yemenite_Jew 2.4
Ethiopian_Tigray 1.6
Saudi 1.6
Oetzi 1.4
Mozabite_Berber 1.2
Egyptian 1
Ethiopian_Oromo 0.8
Sardinian 0.8
Somali 0.4
Ethiopian_Wolayta 0.2

Your nMonte3 oracle results
nMonte3 calculator by Ger Huijbregts

MDLP K27

Closest population distances
Population Distance

Moroccan 1.685855
Algerian 1.973924
Libyan 2.142395
North_Moroccan 2.68519
Morocco_Jew 2.838812
Egyptian 2.890503
SephardicTurk 3.21649
Sephardic_Bulgaria 3.243102

Population Value
Moroccan 52.2
Libyan 6.8
North_Moroccan 4.8
Morocco_Jew 2.4
Sephardic_Bulgaria 2.2
Algerian 1.8
Egyptian 1.8
PuertoRican 1.8
Georgian_Jew 1.6
Portuguese 1.4
Puerto-Rican 1.4
South-Sicilian 1.4
Sardinian 1.2
SephardicBul 1.2
Center-Sicilian 1
Iberian 0.8
Romanian_Jew_ 0.8
Spanish 0.8
Swiss 0.8
Tuscan 0.8
West-Sicilian 0.8
Bedouin 0.6
Caribbean_Hispanic 0.6
Corsican 0.6
French_Basque 0.6
North_Italian 0.6
Romanian_Jew 0.6
S1 Oetzi 0.6
Saharawi 0.6
SephardicTurk 0.6
Ashkenazi 0.4
Ethiopian_Jew 0.4
Mexican 0.4
Provancal 0.4
Spanish_Basque 0.4
Swedish-Neolithic 0.4
Yemeni_Jew 0.4
Afar 0.2
Amhara 0.2
Colombian 0.2
Cypriot 0.2
Ecuadorian 0.2
French 0.2
Greek 0.2
Island-Greek 0.2
Jordanian 0.2
Lebanese 0.2
North-Italian 0.2
North-West-European 0.2
Oromo 0.2
Samaritian 0.2
Saudian 0.2
Somali 0.2
South_Italian 0.2
Toscani 0.2
Tunisian 0.2
Tygray 0.2

Your nMonte3 oracle results
nMonte3 calculator by Ger Huijbregts

Ancient Near East K13

Closest population distances
Population Distance

Algerian 1.491118
Moroccan 1.543825
Jew_Libyan 1.668088
Jew_Tunisian 1.812125
Egyptian 1.982068
Jew_Moroccan 1.985179
Libyan 2.029163
Saharawi 2.075012

Population Value

Algerian 28
Moroccan 17.2
Jew_Libyan 10.2
Saharawi 7.6
Sardinian 5.2
Levant_N 3.8
Stuttgart 3.2
Jew_Moroccan 3
Jew_Tunisian 2.4
Sicilian 2.2
Czech 1.2
Italian_South 1.2
Romanian 1.2
Anatolia_ChL 1
Anatolia_N 1
Europe_MNChL 1
Bulgarian 0.8
Cypriot 0.8
Europe_EN 0.8
Gambian 0.8
Albanian 0.6
English 0.6
Esan 0.6
Greek 0.6
Hungarian 0.6
Croatian 0.4
Dai 0.4
Europe_LNBA 0.4
French 0.4
Jew_Ashkenazi 0.4
Mota 0.4
Thai 0.4
WHG 0.4
Yoruba 0.4
Hadza 0.2
Han 0.2
Levant_BA 0.2
Ulchi 0.2

GEDmatch Eurogenes k36:

https://i.imgur.com/mvA1nJq.png

Kamal900

05-18-2019, 02:26 AM

Very North African results. Nothing really unusual for me.

Adamm

05-18-2019, 04:28 AM

Very North African results. Nothing really unusual for me.

Thanks for the reply.

I also have a question, I uploaded my DNA on FTDNA and I tried to match with people, so I've matched up with people and it says that most matches are 3th to 5th cousin. Do you know if those estimates made by FTDNA when it comes to matching with other people is a reliable thing? It is weird because I matched up with people in America and I can't imagine my 5th or 4th grandfather to have passed over genes to people who are in America. I come from a tribal family where marriage outside the tribe is not allowed.

Adamm

05-18-2019, 07:30 PM

bump

Voskos

05-18-2019, 07:31 PM

Can you post your mdlp k27 full results?

Adamm

05-18-2019, 07:40 PM

Can you post your mdlp k27 full results?

Population Percentage
Nilotic-Omotic 0.36%
Ancestral-South-Indian 0.00%
North-European-Baltic 2.56%
Uralic 0.00%
Australo-Melanesian 0.99%
East-Siberian 0.00%
Ancestral-Yayoi 0.47%
Caucasian-Near-Eastern 16.49%
Tibeto-Burman 0.00%
Austronesian 0.56%
Central-African-Pygmean 0.85%
Central-African-Hunter-Gatherers 0.63%
Nilo-Saharan 0.00%
North-African 27.88%
Gedrosia-Caucasian 0.00%
Cushitic 9.02%
Congo-Pygmean 0.00%
Bushmen 0.00%
South-Meso-Amerindian 1.25%
South-West-European 20.43%
North-Amerindian 0.00%
Arabic 11.85%
North-Circumpolar 0.00%
Kalash 0.00%
Papuan-Australian 0.62%
Baltic-Finnic 0.00%
Bantu 6.03%

Closest population distances
Population Distance
Moroccan 1.685855
Algerian 1.973924
Libyan 2.142395
North_Moroccan 2.68519
Morocco_Jew 2.838812
Egyptian 2.890503
SephardicTurk 3.21649
Sephardic_Bulgaria

Population Value
Moroccan 52.2
Libyan 6.8
North_Moroccan 4.8
Morocco_Jew 2.4
Sephardic_Bulgaria 2.2
Algerian 1.8
Egyptian 1.8
PuertoRican 1.8
Georgian_Jew 1.6
Portuguese 1.4
Puerto-Rican 1.4
South-Sicilian 1.4
Sardinian 1.2
SephardicBul 1.2
Center-Sicilian 1
Iberian 0.8
Romanian_Jew_ 0.8
Spanish 0.8
Swiss 0.8
Tuscan 0.8
West-Sicilian 0.8
Bedouin 0.6
Caribbean_Hispanic 0.6
Corsican 0.6
French_Basque 0.6
North_Italian 0.6
Romanian_Jew 0.6
S1 Oetzi 0.6
Saharawi 0.6
SephardicTurk 0.6
Ashkenazi 0.4
Ethiopian_Jew 0.4
Mexican 0.4
Provancal 0.4
Spanish_Basque 0.4
Swedish-Neolithic 0.4
Yemeni_Jew 0.4
Afar 0.2
Amhara 0.2
Colombian 0.2
Cypriot 0.2
Ecuadorian 0.2
French 0.2
Greek 0.2
Island-Greek 0.2
Jordanian 0.2
Lebanese 0.2
North-Italian 0.2
North-West-European 0.2
Oromo 0.2
Samaritian 0.2
Saudian 0.2
Somali 0.2
South_Italian 0.2
Toscani 0.2
Tunisian 0.2
Tygray 0.2

xripkan

05-18-2019, 07:43 PM

Can you post your Eurogenes K15 and Dodecad K12b the oracle mode?

Adamm

05-18-2019, 08:34 PM

Can you post your Eurogenes K15 and Dodecad K12b the oracle mode?

https://i.imgur.com/UNDQeOA.png

https://i.imgur.com/yCpAymo.png

https://i.imgur.com/2ty4d4M.png

Adamm

06-10-2019, 04:26 PM

In this video I joined/merged all the results I've got regarding my DNA in 1 video. Background: Moroccan Berber (amazigh). It was interesting to see the shared ancient DNA sample results from Mytrueancestry, which all makes sense when I use different datasheets with the G25 coordinates and they all point towards Anatolia/Eastern Mediterranean, this also confirms a huge wage of immigration during the neolithic era from the Levant/East Med towards N. Africa. My DNA shifts towards the Eastern Mediterranean and it all makes sense.

https://youtu.be/KCWyYq6nBk8

MsSPF

06-10-2019, 04:28 PM

Where are you from exactly in Northern Morocco ? Rif ?
Our results are very similar, I'm from Tlemcen

Chaos One

06-10-2019, 04:30 PM

Interesting, we are getting same SSA variations here and there.

Are you Riffian?

Adamm

06-10-2019, 04:31 PM

Where are you from exactly in Northern Morocco ? Rif ?
Our results are very similar, I'm from Tlemcen

You are my neighbor, I'm from Ayt Yeznassen :D and we don't consider ourselves Riffians, we're between Algeria and the Rif.

Adamm

06-10-2019, 04:33 PM

Interesting, we are getting same SSA variations here and there.

Are you Riffian?

Not a Riffian, I'm in between the Riff and Algeria (Yeznassen). The purple area is where I come from:

https://i.imgur.com/OIbxlIk.png

MsSPF

06-10-2019, 04:37 PM

You are my neighbor, I'm from Ayt Yeznassen :D and we don't consider ourselves Riffians, we're between Algeria and the Rif.

Berkane ?

I'm from Msirda, a village in the Trara moutains near Ghazaouet just in front of Morocco (not far from Saidia/Ahfir)

We should compare our results! This region (Tlemcen+NorthWestern Morocco) is basically the same genetically

Adamm

06-10-2019, 04:42 PM

Berkane ?

I'm from Msirda, a village in the Trara moutains near Ghazaouet just in front of Morocco (not far from Saidia/Ahfir)

We should compare our results! This region (Tlemcen+NorthWestern Morocco) is basically the same genetically

We can compare our results, do you have a GEDmatch kit? And can you give me your kit number?

(Berkane is a big city where many of my tribeman have migrated to, I come from Taforalt which is not that far from Berkane.)

Nassbean

06-10-2019, 04:43 PM

Population Percentage
Nilotic-Omotic 0.36%
Ancestral-South-Indian 0.00%
North-European-Baltic 2.56%
Uralic 0.00%
Australo-Melanesian 0.99%
East-Siberian 0.00%
Ancestral-Yayoi 0.47%
Caucasian-Near-Eastern 16.49%
Tibeto-Burman 0.00%
Austronesian 0.56%
Central-African-Pygmean 0.85%
Central-African-Hunter-Gatherers 0.63%
Nilo-Saharan 0.00%
North-African 27.88%
Gedrosia-Caucasian 0.00%
Cushitic 9.02%
Congo-Pygmean 0.00%
Bushmen 0.00%
South-Meso-Amerindian 1.25%
South-West-European 20.43%
North-Amerindian 0.00%
Arabic 11.85%
North-Circumpolar 0.00%
Kalash 0.00%
Papuan-Australian 0.62%
Baltic-Finnic 0.00%
Bantu 6.03%

Closest population distances
Population Distance
Moroccan 1.685855
Algerian 1.973924
Libyan 2.142395
North_Moroccan 2.68519
Morocco_Jew 2.838812
Egyptian 2.890503
SephardicTurk 3.21649
Sephardic_Bulgaria

Population Value
Moroccan 52.2
Libyan 6.8
North_Moroccan 4.8
Morocco_Jew 2.4
Sephardic_Bulgaria 2.2
Algerian 1.8
Egyptian 1.8
PuertoRican 1.8
Georgian_Jew 1.6
Portuguese 1.4
Puerto-Rican 1.4
South-Sicilian 1.4
Sardinian 1.2
SephardicBul 1.2
Center-Sicilian 1
Iberian 0.8
Romanian_Jew_ 0.8
Spanish 0.8
Swiss 0.8
Tuscan 0.8
West-Sicilian 0.8
Bedouin 0.6
Caribbean_Hispanic 0.6
Corsican 0.6
French_Basque 0.6
North_Italian 0.6
Romanian_Jew 0.6
S1 Oetzi 0.6
Saharawi 0.6
SephardicTurk 0.6
Ashkenazi 0.4
Ethiopian_Jew 0.4
Mexican 0.4
Provancal 0.4
Spanish_Basque 0.4
Swedish-Neolithic 0.4
Yemeni_Jew 0.4
Afar 0.2
Amhara 0.2
Colombian 0.2
Cypriot 0.2
Ecuadorian 0.2
French 0.2
Greek 0.2
Island-Greek 0.2
Jordanian 0.2
Lebanese 0.2
North-Italian 0.2
North-West-European 0.2
Oromo 0.2
Samaritian 0.2
Saudian 0.2
Somali 0.2
South_Italian 0.2
Toscani 0.2
Tunisian 0.2
Tygray 0.2

Interesting if we compare with mine :

https://i.imgur.com/OfEPLJx.png

I have slightly less near eastern admixtures , weirdly I have also this baltic-finnic element that you don't have , I've less arab admixtures despite having J1, I have a bit more NA and SW european admixtures but no big differences.

MsSPF

06-10-2019, 04:55 PM

We can compare our results, do you have a GEDmatch kit? And can you give me your kit number?

(Berkane is a big city where many of my tribeman have migrated to, I come from Taforalt which is not that far from Berkane.)

EUTEST V2 K15

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 24.65
2 East_Med 21.65
3 Atlantic 17.86
4 Red_Sea 14.89
5 Sub-Saharan 9.92
6 Northeast_African 8.45
7 North_Sea 1.43
8 Southeast_Asian 0.66
9 Oceanian 0.5

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mozabite_Berber 6.98
2 Tunisian 8.72
3 Moroccan 9.72
4 Algerian 9.96
5 Algerian_Jewish 21.19
6 West_Sicilian 21.83
7 Italian_Jewish 23.1
8 Sephardic_Jewish 23.11
9 Tunisian_Jewish 23.65
10 East_Sicilian 23.69
11 Tuscan 23.77
12 Ashkenazi 24.32
13 Libyan_Jewish 24.45
14 South_Italian 24.65
15 Egyptian 25.18
16 Italian_Abruzzo 25.39
17 North_Italian 25.78
18 Central_Greek 25.89
19 Greek 26.52
20 Spanish_Extremadura 26.84

Dodecad K12B

# Population Percent
1 Northwest_African 29.1
2 Atlantic_Med 25.83
3 Southwest_Asian 14.5
4 Caucasus 14.13
5 Sub_Saharan 6.32
6 East_African 5.61
7 North_European 4.16
8 Southeast_Asian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian (Dodecad) 7.79
2 Moroccan (Dodecad) 16.17
3 Moroccans (Behar) 17.86
4 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 27.19
5 Canarias (1000Genomes) 31.36
6 Egyptans (Behar) 31.88
7 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 31.9
8 Sicilian (Dodecad) 33.15
9 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 33.62
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 34.29
11 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 34.45
12 C_Italian (Dodecad) 34.98
13 Portuguese (Dodecad) 35.88
14 O_Italian (Dodecad) 36
15 TSI30 (Metspalu) 36.76
16 Murcia (1000Genomes) 37.07
17 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 37.18
18 Jordanians (Behar) 37.31
19 Tuscan (HGDP) 37.39
20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 37.8

Nassbean

06-10-2019, 05:05 PM

EUTEST V2 K15

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 24.65
2 East_Med 21.65
3 Atlantic 17.86
4 Red_Sea 14.89
5 Sub-Saharan 9.92
6 Northeast_African 8.45
7 North_Sea 1.43
8 Southeast_Asian 0.66
9 Oceanian 0.5

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mozabite_Berber 6.98
2 Tunisian 8.72
3 Moroccan 9.72
4 Algerian 9.96
5 Algerian_Jewish 21.19
6 West_Sicilian 21.83
7 Italian_Jewish 23.1
8 Sephardic_Jewish 23.11
9 Tunisian_Jewish 23.65
10 East_Sicilian 23.69
11 Tuscan 23.77
12 Ashkenazi 24.32
13 Libyan_Jewish 24.45
14 South_Italian 24.65
15 Egyptian 25.18
16 Italian_Abruzzo 25.39
17 North_Italian 25.78
18 Central_Greek 25.89
19 Greek 26.52
20 Spanish_Extremadura 26.84

Dodecad K12B

# Population Percent
1 Northwest_African 29.1
2 Atlantic_Med 25.83
3 Southwest_Asian 14.5
4 Caucasus 14.13
5 Sub_Saharan 6.32
6 East_African 5.61
7 North_European 4.16
8 Southeast_Asian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian (Dodecad) 7.79
2 Moroccan (Dodecad) 16.17
3 Moroccans (Behar) 17.86
4 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 27.19
5 Canarias (1000Genomes) 31.36
6 Egyptans (Behar) 31.88
7 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 31.9
8 Sicilian (Dodecad) 33.15
9 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 33.62
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 34.29
11 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 34.45
12 C_Italian (Dodecad) 34.98
13 Portuguese (Dodecad) 35.88
14 O_Italian (Dodecad) 36
15 TSI30 (Metspalu) 36.76
16 Murcia (1000Genomes) 37.07
17 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 37.18
18 Jordanians (Behar) 37.31
19 Tuscan (HGDP) 37.39
20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 37.8

We have almost the exact same results except that my North_Sea % is higher :

https://i.imgur.com/jsRXUMf.png

MsSPF

06-10-2019, 05:07 PM

We have almost the exact same results except that my North_Sea % is higher :

https://i.imgur.com/jsRXUMf.png

And my WestMed higher! ;-) wow interesting you are right where are you from ?

Adamm

06-10-2019, 05:11 PM

EUTEST V2 K15

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 24.65
2 East_Med 21.65
3 Atlantic 17.86
4 Red_Sea 14.89
5 Sub-Saharan 9.92
6 Northeast_African 8.45
7 North_Sea 1.43
8 Southeast_Asian 0.66
9 Oceanian 0.5

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mozabite_Berber 6.98
2 Tunisian 8.72
3 Moroccan 9.72
4 Algerian 9.96
5 Algerian_Jewish 21.19
6 West_Sicilian 21.83
7 Italian_Jewish 23.1
8 Sephardic_Jewish 23.11
9 Tunisian_Jewish 23.65
10 East_Sicilian 23.69
11 Tuscan 23.77
12 Ashkenazi 24.32
13 Libyan_Jewish 24.45
14 South_Italian 24.65
15 Egyptian 25.18
16 Italian_Abruzzo 25.39
17 North_Italian 25.78
18 Central_Greek 25.89
19 Greek 26.52
20 Spanish_Extremadura 26.84

Dodecad K12B

# Population Percent
1 Northwest_African 29.1
2 Atlantic_Med 25.83
3 Southwest_Asian 14.5
4 Caucasus 14.13
5 Sub_Saharan 6.32
6 East_African 5.61
7 North_European 4.16
8 Southeast_Asian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian (Dodecad) 7.79
2 Moroccan (Dodecad) 16.17
3 Moroccans (Behar) 17.86
4 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 27.19
5 Canarias (1000Genomes) 31.36
6 Egyptans (Behar) 31.88
7 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 31.9
8 Sicilian (Dodecad) 33.15
9 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 33.62
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 34.29
11 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 34.45
12 C_Italian (Dodecad) 34.98
13 Portuguese (Dodecad) 35.88
14 O_Italian (Dodecad) 36
15 TSI30 (Metspalu) 36.76
16 Murcia (1000Genomes) 37.07
17 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 37.18
18 Jordanians (Behar) 37.31
19 Tuscan (HGDP) 37.39
20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 37.8

K15:

https://i.imgur.com/zVFQVPf.png

K12:

https://i.imgur.com/3Z3yVBl.png

We're not that different here.

Nassbean

06-10-2019, 05:14 PM

And my WestMed higher! ;-) wow interesting you are right where are you from ?

My mother is from Tafersit (rif region) and my father is from Oujda/berkane but unfortunately I don't know his exact tribe his family on his father side seems to have inhabited the city (oujda) way before the french protectorate.

Adamm

06-20-2019, 06:11 PM

MiloshN

06-20-2019, 06:21 PM

Taxonomy? :D

Nassbean

06-20-2019, 06:23 PM

I finally got my DNA land test result, and according to them I'm more Jewish than I thought I was (only this time It's Askenazi instead of Sephardic):

https://i.imgur.com/e46tamC.png

I think it's pretty close to my FTDNA result, both give 30% non African origin:

https://i.imgur.com/61QurET.png

Wow this jewish component is pretty high and you scored zero "iberia" that's weird for a north moroccan are you sure you don't have algerian relatives or even tunisian?

Adamm

06-20-2019, 06:25 PM

Wow this jewish component is pretty high and you scored zero "iberia" that's weird for a north moroccan are you sure you don't have algerian relatives or even tunisian?

I have Algerian relatives, but they migrated from Bni Yeznassen to Algeria so they 'became' Algerian.

Adamm

06-20-2019, 06:28 PM

Taxonomy? :D

I think I look typical Semitic/Middle Eastern.

Adamm

06-20-2019, 06:31 PM

Wow this jewish component is pretty high and you scored zero "iberia" that's weird for a north moroccan are you sure you don't have algerian relatives or even tunisian?

Btw, Nassbean can I see your DNA land result?

Nassbean

06-20-2019, 06:31 PM

I have Algerian relatives, but they migrated from Bni Yeznassen to Algeria so they 'became' Algerian.

haha funny almost same situation for me : my father told me that his has relatives there but that they were moroccans (they just came from morocco)

Nassbean

06-20-2019, 06:32 PM

Btw, Nassbean can I see your DNA land result?

Don't have it sorry

Adamm

06-20-2019, 06:35 PM

Don't have it sorry

no problem

Nassbean

06-20-2019, 06:45 PM

no problem

I transfered my result how much time does it takes ?

Adamm

06-20-2019, 06:46 PM

I transfered my result how much time does it takes ?

What company is your raw Data from?

Nassbean

06-20-2019, 06:47 PM

What company is your raw Data from?

MyHeritage

Adamm

06-20-2019, 06:49 PM

MyHeritage

If you're lucky you'll have your results within a day.

Nassbean

06-20-2019, 06:51 PM

If you're lucky you'll have your results within a day.

Oh ok ty and is it really accurate for north africans ?

Adamm

06-20-2019, 06:52 PM

Oh ok ty and is it really accurate for north africans ?

I have no clue to be honest, but I've seen many N. Africans using it so I thought why not it's free....

Nassbean

06-20-2019, 10:07 PM

I have no clue to be honest, but I've seen many N. Africans using it so I thought why not it's free....

Here my dna land results :

https://i.imgur.com/Z5xznvm.png

Adamm

06-24-2019, 07:38 PM

Made a video with my ancestral timeline results:

https://youtu.be/K7w8B-H4Ug8

nasaz

11-16-2019, 01:36 PM

Hello all

I did a DNA test with MyHeritage and got the results and after that I uploaded the raw DNA on FTDNA, the results are not exactly the same so I would like to know which one is more correct and how should I understand these results? Thanks in advance!

https://i.imgur.com/fGVhuNx.png

https://i.imgur.com/d3dFWai.png

Made a video with my ancestral timeline results:

https://youtu.be/K7w8B-H4Ug8

Hello,

I think that we have the same results but I am not from morroco but from Algeria, and exactly from the east of Algeria (Collo-Wilaya de Skikda)

The origin of our tribe is Berber despite being Arabic-speaking, some people say our origins are from Morocco

My Y-DNA :E-M81 > E-M183
I did It with Geno 2.0: they said E-CTS1411: E1b1b1b1a2–1–2 or 1E1b1b1b1a2–2

With MorleyDNA.com Y-SNP: E1b1b1b1a2~1 [E-CTS1411] or E1b1b1b1a2~2 [E-V168 (E-V221)]

They are extremly rare in Algeria, what's about in Morroco?

My mtDNA is H1h2, also very rare

Adamm

11-16-2019, 09:08 PM

Hello,

I think that we have the same results but I am not from morroco but from Algeria, and exactly from the east of Algeria (Collo-Wilaya de Skikda)

The origin of our tribe is Berber despite being Arabic-speaking, some people say our origins are from Morocco

My Y-DNA :E-M81 > E-M183
I did It with Geno 2.0: they said E-CTS1411: E1b1b1b1a2–1–2 or 1E1b1b1b1a2–2

With MorleyDNA.com Y-SNP: E1b1b1b1a2~1 [E-CTS1411] or E1b1b1b1a2~2 [E-V168 (E-V221)]

They are extremly rare in Algeria, what's about in Morroco?

My mtDNA is H1h2, also very rare

Hi there,

I'm from North East Morocco and North West Algeria (I live in the Morocco part and many other family of mine lives in the ALgerian part).

I'm currently testing with YSEQ for downstream SNP, what is certain atm is:

E-M81 > E-M183

PF2546 A+
Z5009 G-
MZ90 ins-
MZ99 C-
A2227 T-
A930 processing
M5043 processing (M5043 will probably be my final SNP because I belong to a Zenata tribe (Yeznassen) and other guys who from my tribe tested with YSEQ and their final SNP was M5043 (cts12227).)

Could you show me your autosomal report?

Bakha

11-16-2019, 09:10 PM

They look similar : same % of NA and same % of Iberian. FtDna randomly assignes Sephardic bullshit to non Jews, so no surprise here

nasaz

11-17-2019, 05:56 PM

Hi there,

I'm from North East Morocco and North West Algeria (I live in the Morocco part and many other family of mine lives in the ALgerian part).

I'm currently testing with YSEQ for downstream SNP, what is certain atm is:

E-M81 > E-M183

PF2546 A+
Z5009 G-
MZ90 ins-
MZ99 C-
A2227 T-
A930 processing
M5043 processing (M5043 will probably be my final SNP because I belong to a Zenata tribe (Yeznassen) and other guys who from my tribe tested with YSEQ and their final SNP was M5043 (cts12227).)

Could you show me your autosomal report?

Hi,
I am also waiting for my E -L19 SNP Pack results, and also Y-DNA37

For my autosomal report: FTDNA: 69% North Africa; 14% Sephardic, 12 % South Europe

https://www.zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=19/46/wib8.png
https://zupimages.net/up/19/46/wib8.png

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 25.21
2 West_Med 19.66
3 Red_Sea 15.4
4 Atlantic 13.92
5 Northeast_African 11.46
6 Sub-Saharan 10.28
7 North_Sea 2.79
8 Siberian 0.84
9 Southeast_Asian 0.4

Leto

11-17-2019, 06:06 PM

nasaz

11-17-2019, 06:14 PM

Show K13 for comparison please.

K13 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.74
2 West_Med 21.25
3 Red_Sea 15.29
4 North_Atlantic 13.32
5 Northeast_African 10.77
6 Sub-Saharan 10.08
7 Siberian 0.92
8 East_Asian 0.62

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian 2.69
2 Mozabite_Berber 4.64
3 Tunisian 4.86
4 Moroccan 6.23
5 Egyptian 18.28
6 Libyan_Jewish 18.94
7 Algerian_Jewish 19.46
8 Tunisian_Jewish 20.1
9 Sephardic_Jewish 21.34
10 Italian_Jewish 21.6
11 West_Sicilian 22.21
12 Ashkenazi 22.52
13 East_Sicilian 22.59
14 South_Italian 23.49
15 Bedouin 23.55
16 Central_Greek 25.12
17 Italian_Abruzzo 25.38
18 Jordanian 25.49
19 Tuscan 25.7
20 Palestinian 26.22

Adamastor

11-17-2019, 06:17 PM

K13 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.74
2 West_Med 21.25
3 Red_Sea 15.29
4 North_Atlantic 13.32
5 Northeast_African 10.77
6 Sub-Saharan 10.08
7 Siberian 0.92
8 East_Asian 0.62

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian 2.69
2 Mozabite_Berber 4.64
3 Tunisian 4.86
4 Moroccan 6.23
5 Egyptian 18.28
6 Libyan_Jewish 18.94
7 Algerian_Jewish 19.46
8 Tunisian_Jewish 20.1
9 Sephardic_Jewish 21.34
10 Italian_Jewish 21.6
11 West_Sicilian 22.21
12 Ashkenazi 22.52
13 East_Sicilian 22.59
14 South_Italian 23.49
15 Bedouin 23.55
16 Central_Greek 25.12
17 Italian_Abruzzo 25.38
18 Jordanian 25.49
19 Tuscan 25.7
20 Palestinian 26.22

If you removed all the SSA in North Africans they would be intermediary between Southern Europeans and Semitic groups.

Nassbean

11-17-2019, 06:18 PM

https://i.imgur.com/UlGVcl2.jpg

Leto

11-17-2019, 06:29 PM

If you removed all the SSA in North Africans they would be intermediary between Southern Europeans and Semitic groups.
They share more ancestry with Iberians than proper Arabs or Syro-Lebs.

Kamal900

11-17-2019, 06:29 PM

If you removed all the SSA in North Africans they would be intermediary between Southern Europeans and Semitic groups.

Like western Jewish peoples? No, they wouldn't. Berbers and the Arabized ones belonged to their own cluster called the North African cluster, and they cluster more closely with the middle east than to Europe as a whole. Read the articles from these threads to understand why Berbers are distinct from the rest:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?306260-Heterogeneity-in-Palaeolithic-Population-Continuity-and-Neolithic-Expansion-in-North-Africa
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?306261-The-genetic-imprint-of-Palaeolithic-has-been-detected-in-North-African-populations

Not to mention that the closest branch of the Afro-Asiatic language family to the Berber branch is the Semitic branch, and these two branches share a common ancestry with the Egyptian language:
https://www.academia.edu/36664366/Reconciling_archaeological_and_linguistic_evidence _for_Berber_prehistory

Nassbean

11-17-2019, 06:33 PM

If you removed all the SSA in North Africans they would be intermediary between Southern Europeans and Semitic groups.

Coastal NAs score almost no ssa ( between 1 to 6% ) the ssa that you see on these gedmatch calculators comes from the iberomaurusian component.

Adamastor

11-17-2019, 06:47 PM

Coastal NAs score almost no ssa ( between 1 to 6% ) the ssa that you see on these gedmatch calculators comes from the iberomaurusian component.

Iberomaurusians had some SSA affinities due to shared ancestry with SSAs, it's not a full blown SSA component, but it's not just ''Caucasoid'' even because there wasn't even such a thing as ''Caucasoids'' or ''Negroids'' at that time.

But I agree, yeah, the true SSA of Berbers is in between 1-10%, not 20-25% as GEDmatch shows.

IrisSelene

11-17-2019, 08:16 PM

That's funny, no ssa at all? Some on Twitter claimed berbers were closer to ssa than to Europeans which confused me

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Nassbean

11-17-2019, 08:19 PM

That's funny, no ssa at all? Some on Twitter claimed berbers were closer to ssa than to Europeans which confused me

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Probably afrocentrists or complexed latinos who told you this

IrisSelene

11-17-2019, 08:22 PM

Probably afrocentrists or complexed latinos who told you thisNo, they were mad north Africans lmfao

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Kamal900

11-17-2019, 08:24 PM

Probably afrocentrists or complexed latinos who told you this

Afrocentric lunatics are very annoying bunch from America mostly. They claim that the ancient Berbers were originally Blacks because of the Tuaregs even though the Berbers living in the North are genetically much more North African than them, and the Tuaregs are heavily mixed with the local Black females and even had assimilated some of their men to their group due to the introduction of the dromedary Camels to the Maghreb 2,000 years ago which enabled them to move across the Sahara with no troubles at all.

Adamastor

11-17-2019, 08:25 PM

No, they were mad north Africans lmfao

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As a rule, people outside this forum tend to want to be as non-European as they could, here it's the contrary, people want to be the more Euro or Caucasoid possible and try to distance themselves from ethnicities they perceive as ''darker''. Not only North Africans, it's a general anthroforum rule.

Kamal900

11-17-2019, 08:29 PM

No, they were mad north Africans lmfao

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Macrinus - the Roman emperor of Berber origins:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Bust_of_Macrinus_-_Palazzo_Nuovo_-_Musei_Capitolini_-_Rome_2016.jpg/800px-Bust_of_Macrinus_-_Palazzo_Nuovo_-_Musei_Capitolini_-_Rome_2016.jpg

My dad:
https://image.ibb.co/mJBTzF/10300666-1435995073329684-3119159558199204251-n.jpg

General Butt Naked of Liberia, West Africa:
https://i0.wp.com/www.thetrentonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/img_2191.jpg?fit=2048%2C1365&ssl=1

Now, which one of these two looks the closest to the Berber? My dad or the African dude?

IrisSelene

11-17-2019, 08:29 PM

As a rule, people outside this forum tend to want to be as non-European as they could, here it's the contrary, people want to be the more Euro or Caucasoid possible and try to distance themselves from ethnicities they perceive as ''darker''. Not only North Africans, it's a general anthroforum rule.But it's stupid to claim that they're closer to blacks and that they're not caucasoid like wtf?

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IrisSelene

11-17-2019, 08:31 PM

Macrinus - the Roman emperor of Berber origins:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Bust_of_Macrinus_-_Palazzo_Nuovo_-_Musei_Capitolini_-_Rome_2016.jpg/800px-Bust_of_Macrinus_-_Palazzo_Nuovo_-_Musei_Capitolini_-_Rome_2016.jpg

My dad:
https://image.ibb.co/mJBTzF/10300666-1435995073329684-3119159558199204251-n.jpg

General Butt Naked of Liberia, West Africa:
https://i0.wp.com/www.thetrentonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/img_2191.jpg?fit=2048%2C1365&ssl=1

Now, which one of these two looks the closest to the Berber? My dad or the African dude?That's an easy answer that's why the Twitter dumbasses pissed me off lol

They hate Europeans so much they got super offended jdbshsb

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Adamastor

11-17-2019, 08:32 PM

But it's stupid to claim that they're closer to blacks and that they're not caucasoid like wtf?

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I'm not saying they are not Caucasoid, I don't believe in ''Caucasoid'' race, but overall North Africans have more genetic affinity to MENAs and Europeans than to Sub-Saharan Africans.

IrisSelene

11-17-2019, 08:33 PM

I'm not saying they are not Caucasoid, I don't believe in ''Caucasoid'' race, but overall North Africans have more genetic affinity to MENAs and Europeans than to Sub-Saharan Africans.Well I think caucasoid makes more sense than the white, brown terms lmfao which they said should be used lmfao.

And that's what I meant, menas, north Africans and Europeans have much more in common than with ssa.

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Kamal900

11-17-2019, 08:37 PM

That's an easy answer that's why the Twitter dumbasses pissed me off lol

They hate Europeans so much they got super offended jdbshsb

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The thing is that they think that Caucasoid = Europeans which is completely untrue. My family and I are racially Caucasians, but at the same time, we're not Europeans but rather are Middle Easterners genetically, and North Africans are genetically more closer to us than to Europeans despite the geographical proximity to Europe.
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?18761-Who-are-North-Africans-descended-from&p=617485&viewfull=1#post617485

These Afrocentric idiots are stealing our heritages as their own since they don't have their own since they had been taken as slaves from west and central Africa without knowing who they were and etc. You can tell these people on Twitter that our cultural heritage is not for sale.

Kamal900

11-17-2019, 08:49 PM

Leto

11-17-2019, 08:59 PM

I'm not saying they are not Caucasoid, I don't believe in ''Caucasoid'' race, but overall North Africans have more genetic affinity to MENAs and Europeans than to Sub-Saharan Africans.

The Caucasoid race does exist whether you believe it or not. Europeans, MENA peoples and even Central and South Asiatics(Indo-Aryans of Pakistan and Northern India) genetically cluster more closer to one another than to other racial groups of the world.
Yeah, they just avoid using the term itself but the meaning remains. In genetic studies you see West Eurasian, East Eurasian all the time. Isn't that roughly the same as Caucasoid, Mongoloid? They're just politically correct mofos.

Leto

11-17-2019, 09:02 PM

Numidia

11-17-2019, 09:05 PM

That's an easy answer that's why the Twitter dumbasses pissed me off lol

They hate Europeans so much they got super offended jdbshsb

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This kind of reactions can be explained by wrong theories we can see about north Africans origins
Afrocentrist and westerns claim that natives of north Africans were basically mulattos while the light skin are of Europeans descent

Nassbean

11-17-2019, 09:50 PM

But it's stupid to claim that they're closer to blacks and that they're not caucasoid like wtf?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191117/868d6bdb7901b85b09f09823c07d9fd9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191117/6b9c85ee6b0861227b46da1b2d058d81.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191117/ec0b2c0b0ecfff07045ab662d136af13.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191117/7e9bdf70282749df00663a2addc34f94.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191117/550c0d02d887ca1c67c054915cc6dd71.jpg

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I'm 99% sure it's a fake account with a black chick behind it hahah i'm used to the afrocentrist rhetoric

IrisSelene

11-17-2019, 10:59 PM

I'm 99% sure it's a fake account with a black chick behind it hahah i'm used to the afrocentrist rhetoricIdk lol

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Adamm

11-18-2019, 06:01 AM

Hi,
I am also waiting for my E -L19 SNP Pack results, and also Y-DNA37

For my autosomal report: FTDNA: 69% North Africa; 14% Sephardic, 12 % South Europe

https://www.zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=19/46/wib8.png
https://zupimages.net/up/19/46/wib8.png

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 25.21
2 West_Med 19.66
3 Red_Sea 15.4
4 Atlantic 13.92
5 Northeast_African 11.46
6 Sub-Saharan 10.28
7 North_Sea 2.79
8 Siberian 0.84
9 Southeast_Asian 0.4

What tribe do you belong to? Senhaja? Masmuda? Zenata?

And your autosomal result looks close to mine indeed, this is my K13 report:

1 East_Med 30.33
2 West_Med 26.44
3 Red_Sea 15.9
4 Northeast_African 11.31
5 North_Atlantic 8.02
6 Sub-Saharan 6.65
7 East_Asian 0.78
8 Oceanian 0.57

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moroccan 5.47
2 Algerian 6.65
3 Tunisian 6.86
4 Mozabite_Berber 7.75
5 Egyptian 17.68
6 Libyan_Jewish 17.68
7 Algerian_Jewish 18.23
8 Tunisian_Jewish 19.15
9 Italian_Jewish 20.88
10 Sephardic_Jewish 21.2
11 Bedouin 22.47
12 Ashkenazi 22.83
13 East_Sicilian 22.92
14 West_Sicilian 23.31
15 South_Italian 23.49
16 Jordanian 24.45
17 Palestinian 25.16
18 Central_Greek 25.46
19 Syrian 25.87
20 Cyprian 26.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82% Moroccan + 18% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.95
2 87.4% Moroccan + 12.6% Samaritan @ 3.99
3 82.7% Moroccan + 17.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.02
4 83.5% Moroccan + 16.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.03
5 88.8% Moroccan + 11.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.06
6 85% Moroccan + 15% Italian_Jewish @ 4.1
7 87.9% Moroccan + 12.1% Cyprian @ 4.18
8 90.1% Moroccan + 9.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.24
9 86.7% Moroccan + 13.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.45
10 88.8% Moroccan + 11.2% Palestinian @ 4.5
11 90.4% Moroccan + 9.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.64
12 91.6% Moroccan + 8.4% Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.64
13 89.3% Moroccan + 10.7% Jordanian @ 4.66
14 88.7% Moroccan + 11.3% Ashkenazi @ 4.68
15 93% Moroccan + 7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.79
16 90.6% Moroccan + 9.4% Syrian @ 4.8
17 93.2% Moroccan + 6.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.81
18 89.9% Moroccan + 10.1% South_Italian @ 4.82
19 86.9% Moroccan + 13.1% Egyptian @ 4.84
20 93.5% Moroccan + 6.5% Assyrian @ 4.86

What is your current status with your L19 panel pack? How far have you tested already?

nasaz

11-18-2019, 09:05 AM

What tribe do you belong to? Senhaja? Masmuda? Zenata?

And your autosomal result looks close to mine indeed, this is my K13 report:

1 East_Med 30.33
2 West_Med 26.44
3 Red_Sea 15.9
4 Northeast_African 11.31
5 North_Atlantic 8.02
6 Sub-Saharan 6.65
7 East_Asian 0.78
8 Oceanian 0.57

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moroccan 5.47
2 Algerian 6.65
3 Tunisian 6.86
4 Mozabite_Berber 7.75
5 Egyptian 17.68
6 Libyan_Jewish 17.68
7 Algerian_Jewish 18.23
8 Tunisian_Jewish 19.15
9 Italian_Jewish 20.88
10 Sephardic_Jewish 21.2
11 Bedouin 22.47
12 Ashkenazi 22.83
13 East_Sicilian 22.92
14 West_Sicilian 23.31
15 South_Italian 23.49
16 Jordanian 24.45
17 Palestinian 25.16
18 Central_Greek 25.46
19 Syrian 25.87
20 Cyprian 26.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82% Moroccan + 18% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.95
2 87.4% Moroccan + 12.6% Samaritan @ 3.99
3 82.7% Moroccan + 17.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.02
4 83.5% Moroccan + 16.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.03
5 88.8% Moroccan + 11.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.06
6 85% Moroccan + 15% Italian_Jewish @ 4.1
7 87.9% Moroccan + 12.1% Cyprian @ 4.18
8 90.1% Moroccan + 9.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.24
9 86.7% Moroccan + 13.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.45
10 88.8% Moroccan + 11.2% Palestinian @ 4.5
11 90.4% Moroccan + 9.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.64
12 91.6% Moroccan + 8.4% Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.64
13 89.3% Moroccan + 10.7% Jordanian @ 4.66
14 88.7% Moroccan + 11.3% Ashkenazi @ 4.68
15 93% Moroccan + 7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.79
16 90.6% Moroccan + 9.4% Syrian @ 4.8
17 93.2% Moroccan + 6.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.81
18 89.9% Moroccan + 10.1% South_Italian @ 4.82
19 86.9% Moroccan + 13.1% Egyptian @ 4.84
20 93.5% Moroccan + 6.5% Assyrian @ 4.86

What is your current status with your L19 panel pack? How far have you tested already?

Our tribe belong to the Kutama.
The Kutama is a branch of the Ulhaca, one of the tribal branches of the Berber tribe Nefzaouas, belonging to the group of Zenata.
The people living in the north east of Algeria (like our tribe) are called: Kbayel el hedra (Eastern Kabylie). In this region: you can found both tribes Kutamas and Sanhadjas.

Until now, I didn't get any informations regarding my E-L19 SNP Pack results, I am still waiting

Elias.99

12-31-2019, 01:33 PM

My K27 result

Nilotic-Omotic
0.59%
Ancestral-South-Indian
2.77%
North-European-Baltic
0.00%
Uralic
1.04%
Australo-Melanesian
0.01%
East-Siberian
0.00%
Ancestral-Yayoi
1.39%
Caucasian-Near-Eastern
24.60%
Tibeto-Burman
0.00%
Austronesian
0.00%
Central-African-Pygmean
0.00%
Central-African-Hunter-Gatherers
0.00%
Nilo-Saharan
0.00%
North-African
16.22%
Gedrosia-Caucasian
12.89%
Cushitic
8.41%
Congo-Pygmean
1.16%
Bushmen
0.00%
South-Meso-Amerindian
0.05%
South-West-European
11.24%
North-Amerindian
1.21%
Arabic
10.87%
North-Circumpolar
0.03%
Kalash
0.82%
Papuan-Australian
0.00%
Baltic-Finnic
1.15%
Bantu
5.55%

Adamastor

12-31-2019, 01:50 PM

Caucasoid is not a race in the same way as white because it doesn't imply social perception which includes skin tone, culture, geography, even religion. A man called Abdullah Hassan is not white in the West regardless of how Caucasoid he may be anthropologically.

That's exactly my point, a Caucasoid identity or commonality is completely ridiculous. I generally judge people racially based on having actual European ancestry or not. In a certain way it's much more important than being 100% Caucasoid or any bullshit like that. A Russian with 90% West Eurasian is ''whiter'' than a Lebanese or Armenian with 97% or 100% ''West Eurasian''admixture.

The overall sum of components is more important than just being ''West Eurasian''. An American guy that is 90% Northwestern European and 10% Amerindian is infinitely whiter than MENAs; White South Africans are whiter than any MENAs even if they are SSA admixed. These people would be seem as white anywhere, Kim Kardashian, for example, may be 100% West Eurasian but no one in their right mind would say she is whiter than Frederik Willem de Klerk (who likely has 1-5% SSA).

Also, as studies will progress the differences between groups will become more clear, I'm pretty sure these terms will be dissolved when we know more about human genome. We already know tons of populations that cannot be placed properly as West Eurasian, East Eurasian etc. HGs, ANAs and even Buret/Mal'ta.

Leto

12-31-2019, 02:09 PM

That's exactly my point, a Caucasoid identity or commonality is completely ridiculous. I generally judge people racially based on having actual European ancestry or not. In a certain way it's much more important than being 100% Caucasoid or any bullshit like that. A Russian with 90% West Eurasian is ''whiter'' than a Lebanese or Armenian with 97% or 100% ''West Eurasian''admixture.

The overall sum of components is more important than just being ''West Eurasian''. An American guy that is 90% Northwestern European and 10% Amerindian is infinitely whiter than MENAs; White South Africans are whiter than any MENAs even if they are SSA admixed. These people would be seem as white anywhere, Kim Kardashian, for example, may be 100% West Eurasian but no one in their right mind would say she is whiter than Frederik Willem de Klerk (who likely has 1-5% SSA).

Also, as studies will progress the differences between groups will become more clear, I'm pretty sure these terms will be dissolved when we know more about human genome. We already know tons of populations that cannot be placed properly as West Eurasian, East Eurasian etc. HGs, ANAs and even Buret/Mal'ta.
It's not ridiculous though. It's just not a sociocultural thing as opposed to whiteness. Dude, don't follow me with this thing and don't confront me with your race denialist criticism please. I don't care, I will keep using terms which I find appropriate or understandable. I'm not an overly PC Anthrogenica type snowflake that would freak out over terms like 'race', 'white' or 'Mongoloid'.

adelgeo

07-28-2022, 02:20 AM