Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona

[Slavic Italian]

Germanic Slavs? Help a brother out here.

[Teutonski]

why you claim everyone to be slavic

[TheMaestro]

why you claim everyone to be slavic

He wants to be feared on the streets.

[Slavic Italian]

why you claim everyone to be slavic

Quit stalking me. Actually contribute something productive. I am trying to learn about this tribe and as usual you stalk me and add nothing productive to the conversation.

[Lucas]

In K36 Ancient it is south-euro_admixed_Visigoth_I12031

Genesis kit: BA8274765

[Slavic Italian]

In K36 Ancient it is south-euro_admixed_Visigoth_I12031

Genesis kit: BA8274765

Thanks. I knew someone who is actually informed would contribute.

[Lucas]

I don't call him Slav admixed becausue he had also Greek or Italian admix. So In K36 Ancient it is called south_Euro admixed.

K15

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serbian @ 4.044537
2 Romanian @ 7.507473
3 Austrian @ 7.642602
4 Hungarian @ 7.844242
5 Moldavian @ 10.027383
6 Croatian @ 10.283150
7 Bulgarian @ 11.087789
8 East_German @ 11.548052
9 French @ 15.263886
10 South_Dutch @ 15.265221
11 West_German @ 15.817443
12 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 16.900995
13 South_Polish @ 16.983875
14 North_Italian @ 17.132553
15 Ukrainian @ 17.990330
16 Spanish_Galicia @ 18.233322
17 Greek_Thessaly @ 18.283583
18 North_German @ 18.406475
19 Spanish_Cataluna @ 18.886435
20 Portuguese @ 18.919458

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% East_German @ 2.768692


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +25% North_Dutch +25% South_Italian @ 1.309543


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Estonian + Southwest_English @ 1.060145
2 Bulgarian + Greek + Orcadian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.118881
3 Bulgarian + Greek + Orcadian + South_Polish @ 1.172742
4 Bulgarian + Greek + Orcadian + Ukrainian @ 1.181323
5 Greek + Romanian + Southeast_English + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.187762
6 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Romanian + South_Dutch @ 1.214304
7 Moldavian + South_Italian + South_Polish + Southeast_English @ 1.248098
8 Austrian + Central_Greek + East_German + Hungarian @ 1.277154
9 Austrian + Bulgarian + Romanian + West_German @ 1.308499
10 Greek + Romanian + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Scottish @ 1.309023
11 Croatian + Croatian + North_Dutch + South_Italian @ 1.309543
12 Hungarian + South_Dutch + South_Italian + South_Polish @ 1.320259
13 Estonian + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian + South_Dutch @ 1.330929
14 Croatian + Greek + Romanian + West_Norwegian @ 1.333502
15 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + South_Polish + Southeast_English @ 1.333820
16 Bulgarian + Greek + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Scottish @ 1.344528
17 Austrian + Greek + Romanian + Swedish @ 1.352882
18 Bulgarian + Estonian + Italian_Abruzzo + South_Dutch @ 1.357361
19 Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + North_Dutch + Ukrainian @ 1.372801
20 Greek + Irish + Romanian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.377004

[Bosniensis]

In K36 Ancient it is south-euro_admixed_Visigoth_I12031

Genesis kit: BA8274765

How do we know it's visigoth?

How do we know it's not someone else?

[Teutonski]

He wants to be feared on the streets.

then he gotta claim to be arab

[Slavic Italian]

He seems Germanic, Slav, and Italian.


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Hungarian @ 7.262651
2 Serbian @ 7.606535
3 Austrian @ 8.018989
4 East_German @ 10.836503
5 Romanian @ 11.442839
6 West_German @ 11.559615
7 Moldavian @ 12.855834
8 Croatian @ 13.131477
9 South_Dutch @ 13.483461
10 French @ 14.392946
11 Bulgarian @ 14.895240
12 North_German @ 17.027294
13 South_Polish @ 18.528797
14 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 19.421492
15 North_Italian @ 19.550299
16 Southeast_English @ 19.582483
17 Danish @ 19.795553
18 Portuguese @ 20.149174
19 North_Dutch @ 20.182283
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 20.523632

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% North_Swedish @ 2.369236


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Swedish +25% Romanian +25% South_Italian @ 1.615090


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Danish + Serbian + South_Italian + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.262888
2 Cyprian + East_German + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.283317
3 Ashkenazi + North_German + North_Swedish + Serbian @ 1.284891
4 Bulgarian + Danish + Italian_Abruzzo + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.292101
5 Ashkenazi + Austrian + Hungarian + Swedish @ 1.313427
6 Ashkenazi + North_Swedish + Romanian + Swedish @ 1.325053
7 Ashkenazi + Southeast_English + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_German @ 1.341036
8 Ashkenazi + North_German + South_Polish + West_German @ 1.350572
9 Ashkenazi + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Romanian @ 1.367245
10 Italian_Jewish + Norwegian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_German @ 1.378461
11 North_Dutch + Serbian + South_Italian + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.382587
12 Cyprian + Danish + Estonian + South_Dutch @ 1.386254
13 Italian_Jewish + Norwegian + Southwest_Russian + West_German @ 1.394131
14 Italian_Jewish + South_Dutch + Swedish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.407845
15 North_Swedish + Sephardic_Jewish + South_Polish + West_German @ 1.423488
16 Danish + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.425757
17 Italian_Jewish + South_Dutch + Southwest_Russian + Swedish @ 1.426234
18 Cyprian + East_German + Orcadian + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.446616
19 Ashkenazi + Austrian + Hungarian + Norwegian @ 1.459119
20 Cyprian + Estonian + North_Dutch + South_Dutch @ 1.462584

[Lucas]

How do we know it's visigoth?

How do we know it's not someone else?

He was buried on cemetary in Cataluna assiociated with Visigoths. We have also Germanic samples from this cemetary. And he had some Germanic admixture too as oracle shows.

[Bosniensis]

He was buried on cemetary in Cataluna assiociated with Visigoths. We have also Germanic samples from this cemetary. And he had some Germanic admixture too as oracle shows.

What is his haplogroup?

[Slavic Italian]

It's clear the Germans and Slavs mixed. Cry Teutone.

This is the closest thing I could find. Linguistic evidence suggests that at some stage during their early times, the territory of the Slavs reached into the western region of Russia and the southern Russian steppes, where they came in contact with Iranian speaking groups. This is based on Slavic languages sharing a striking number of words with the Iranian languages, which can only be explained through diffusion from Iranian into Slavic. Later on, as they moved westward, they came into contact with German tribes and again borrowed several additional terms from Germanic languages.

[Lucas]

What is his haplogroup?

You will love it:)

E1b1b1a1b1a

[TheMaestro]

then he gotta claim to be arab

Arabs are not that dangerous if we dont count those bomb attacks.
They are slim and pretty short, lack of CM and are not the best in fist fighters.

[Bosniensis]

You will love it:)

E1b1b1a1b1a

So he is paternally southern guy, but he mixed with Germanics.

[Teutonski]

Arabs are not that dangerous if we dont count those bomb attacks.
They are slim and pretty short, lack of CM and are not the best in fist fighters.

they are no boys, they stab,shoot and do worse lol

in every european country they controll the underworld

[Lucas]

So he is paternally southern guy, but he mixed with Germanics.

So they allowed some local Balkanite to join and fuck Gothic woman.

[Slavic Italian]

they are no boys, they stab,shoot and do worse lol

in every european country they controll the underworld

Here Teutone. These are my pops. Much German there. Get a life now.

SZ24_Longobard 31
Baiuvarii_Germanic_BIM_33 11
CL102_Frankish 9.6
SZ14_Longobard 5.8
EMA_Czech_RISE569 2.6
CL57_north-Italian 2.2
Visigoth_south-Euro_mixed_I12031 2.2
IA_Britain_York_3DRIF16 2
SZ15_Longobard 1

[Teutonski]

Here Teutone. These are my pops. Much German there. Get a life now.

SZ24_Longobard 31
Baiuvarii_Germanic_BIM_33 11
CL102_Frankish 9.6
SZ14_Longobard 5.8
EMA_Czech_RISE569 2.6
CL57_north-Italian 2.2
Visigoth_south-Euro_mixed_I12031 2.2
IA_Britain_York_3DRIF16 2
SZ15_Longobard 1

Do you think I give a shit if you German or Korean? This forum and members like you slavicize history of others.

Germanic tribes were SUPRISE SUPRISE GERMANIC

[Bosniensis]

they are no boys, they stab,shoot and do worse lol

in every european country they controll the underworld

Arabs are primitive version of Jews, so you are right.

[Coastal Elite]

You will love it:)

E1b1b1a1b1a

Seems like a great man.

[Slavic Italian]

Do you think I give a shit if you German or Korean? This forum and members like you slavicize history of others.

Germanic tribes were SUPRISE SUPRISE GERMANIC

No shit. But explain the title of this subject. It came up on another site.

[Slavic Italian]

There were a lot of Slavic tribes in Germany. Some are going to have to learn to accept that.

[Teutonski]

There were a lot of Slavic tribes in Germany. Some are going to have to learn to accept that.

Slavic tribes slavicized the regions in Sarmatia, historical fact.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Imperium_Romanum_Germania.png

[Teutonski]

"Seventh-century Slavic cultures (the Prague-Penkov-Kolochin complex). The Prague and Mogilla cultures reflect the separation of the early Western Slavs (the Sukow-Dziedzice group in the northwest may be the earliest Slavic expansion to the Baltic Sea); the Kolochin culture represents the early East Slavs; the Penkovka culture and its south-westward extension, the Ipoteşti-Cândeşti culture, demonstrate early Slavic expansion into the Balkans (which would later result in the separation of the South Slavs, associated with the Antes people of Byzantine historiography). In the Carpathian basin, the Eurasian Avars began to be Slavicized during the Slavic settlement of the Eastern Alps."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Slavic_archaeological_cultures,_beginning_of_ 7th_century.png

clear to see in the 7th century the furthest they expanded were sukow and prague.

[Slavic Italian]

"Seventh-century Slavic cultures (the Prague-Penkov-Kolochin complex). The Prague and Mogilla cultures reflect the separation of the early Western Slavs (the Sukow-Dziedzice group in the northwest may be the earliest Slavic expansion to the Baltic Sea); the Kolochin culture represents the early East Slavs; the Penkovka culture and its south-westward extension, the Ipoteşti-Cândeşti culture, demonstrate early Slavic expansion into the Balkans (which would later result in the separation of the South Slavs, associated with the Antes people of Byzantine historiography). In the Carpathian basin, the Eurasian Avars began to be Slavicized during the Slavic settlement of the Eastern Alps."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Slavic_archaeological_cultures,_beginning_of_ 7th_century.png

clear to see in the 7th century the furthest they expanded were sukow and prague.

You forget about the Wends?

[Teutonski]

You forget about the Wends?

Want me to show what small region they held and how little impact if any impact they had on the German population? The region they controlled called Niedersachsen is a region you will find people genetically close to Frisians or Danes.

Ofc here and there Slavs settled in small numbers west of the Elbe river, never to a extend that could have a genetical impact tho.

[Slavic Italian]

Want me to show what small region they held and how little impact if any impact they had on the German population? The region they controlled called Niedersachsen is a region you will find people genetically close to Frisians or Danes.

Ofc here and there Slavs settled in small numbers west of the Elbe river, never to a extend that could have a genetical impact tho.

I have ancestry from that specific region. :)

[Teutonski]

I have ancestry from that specific region. :)

You think your slavic ancestry comming from Wends then?

[Slavic Italian]

You think your slavic ancestry comming from Wends then?

I don't think so but it's possible.

[Teutonski]

I don't think so but it's possible.

That would at least not be a pseudo scientist claim, since they are known to be slavic.

I dont like when you guys claim parts of my historical ancestors to not be Germanic, other than that I got no problem at all if a Sorb is a proud slav and German.

[Slavic Italian]

That would at least not be a pseudo scientist claim, since they are known to be slavic.

I dont like when you guys claim parts of my historical ancestors to not be Germanic, other than that I got no problem at all if a Sorb is a proud slav and German.

I don't think I have ever made any such claim. I just claimed there are/were Germanic tribes in Germany and they influenced the pop in the East half. Peterski is your man there.

[Dick]

SErbs are Goths :heh:



https://i.imgur.com/RA2V0cN.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/b2mtQsk.jpg

[Lucas]

SErbs are Goths :heh:
]

Remind what you have in K36 Ancient as top pops?

[Dick]

Remind what you have in K36 Ancient as top pops?


Population Distance
BA_Hungary_BR2 1.869564
SZ18_Pannonian 1.917076
Scythian009_Ukraine 1.946575
Bul4_Bulgarian_Yamnaya_o 2.015838
DA191_Hungary_Scythian 2.018549
Visigoth_south-Euro_mixed_I12031 2.067827
AV1_Hungary_Szolad 2.105155
BA_Hungary_RISE479 2.167202

[paradox]

Seems like a great man.Yep, same haplogroup as my dad.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190518/dd0d15674c9c619a8fa8bf2710d4ae0e.jpg

[Lucas]

Population Distance
BA_Hungary_BR2 1.869564
SZ18_Pannonian 1.917076
Scythian009_Ukraine 1.946575
Bul4_Bulgarian_Yamnaya_o 2.015838
DA191_Hungary_Scythian 2.018549
Visigoth_south-Euro_mixed_I12031 2.067827
AV1_Hungary_Szolad 2.105155
BA_Hungary_RISE479 2.167202

Not big difference, some ordering swapped. Probably they use K15 for that.

[Cumansky]

Yep, same haplogroup as my dad.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190518/dd0d15674c9c619a8fa8bf2710d4ae0e.jpg

Can you check if I got Visigoth too? No problem if you can't, cheers

[Coastal Elite]

Yep, same haplogroup as my dad.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190518/dd0d15674c9c619a8fa8bf2710d4ae0e.jpg

Nice! Visigoth pride.

https://i.imgur.com/ohyJa7r.jpg

[Lucas]

THIS

[paradox]

Can you check if I got Visigoth too? No problem if you can't, cheersI will if you send me your kit again. I have to upload it again.

[Cumansky]

I will if you send me your kit again. I have to upload it again.

Thanks you the best, I am still having some computer problems.

I sent kit email, no rush.

[TheMaestro]

they are no boys, they stab,shoot and do worse lol

in every european country they controll the underworld

Idk, most of them are coward looking betas, in terms of fighting look. They use tools cause they are weak.

[Impaler]

I have also Visigoth, it shows on the map.

http://i.imgur.com/ERuq9c5.png (https://imgur.com/ERuq9c5)
http://i.imgur.com/ZKUhGdu.png (https://imgur.com/ZKUhGdu)

[Ibericus]

This Visigoth looks like 3/4 Balkanic and 1/4 northern Germanic, probably his Grand-Father (or granma) was a full Visigoth:

73.0% Bosnian + 27.0% Belgium_Waloon @ 2.47,
79.0% Bosnian + 21.0% Orcadian @ 2.493,00
68.0% Bulgarian + 32.0% Norwegian @ 2.692,00
74.0% East_German + 26.0% Greek_Dodecanese @ 2.829,00
73.0% Bosnian + 27.0% Belgium_Flemish @ 2.85,
78.0% East_German + 22.0% Greek_Cypriots @ 2.854,00
69.0% Macedonian + 31.0% North_German @ 2.854,00
74.0% East_German + 26.0% Greek_Crete @ 2.86,
76.0% Romanian + 24.0% Norwegian @ 2.867,00
77.0% Bosnian + 23.0% Southwest_English @ 2.876,00
68.0% Bosnian + 32.0% German_South @ 2.931,00
78.0% Romanian + 22.0% Orcadian @ 2.957,00

[Lucas]

This Visigoth looks like 3/4 Balkanic and 1/4 northern Germanic, probably his Grand-Father (or granma) was a full Visigoth:

73.0% Bosnian + 27.0% Belgium_Waloon @ 2.47,
79.0% Bosnian + 21.0% Orcadian @ 2.493,00
68.0% Bulgarian + 32.0% Norwegian @ 2.692,00
74.0% East_German + 26.0% Greek_Dodecanese @ 2.829,00
73.0% Bosnian + 27.0% Belgium_Flemish @ 2.85,
78.0% East_German + 22.0% Greek_Cypriots @ 2.854,00
69.0% Macedonian + 31.0% North_German @ 2.854,00
74.0% East_German + 26.0% Greek_Crete @ 2.86,
76.0% Romanian + 24.0% Norwegian @ 2.867,00
77.0% Bosnian + 23.0% Southwest_English @ 2.876,00
68.0% Bosnian + 32.0% German_South @ 2.931,00
78.0% Romanian + 22.0% Orcadian @ 2.957,00

I think so too

[Bosniensis]

1. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (7.053)

7 is very close.

[Gallop]

1. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (8.771) - I12034

And what is known about Visigoth Iberian Girona?

[Moje ime]

1. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (7.053)

7 is very close.

https://i.imgur.com/j4eelra.png

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?285335-My-true-ancestry-com&p=6053322&viewfull=1#post6053322

4 is closer

[bakodi.peter]

Mine:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190525/4f2951faaa871c7b0bffdace98275947.jpg

Known papertrail ancestry is mostly Hungarian with a maternal direct German line, and also appear a few Slavic sounding surnames too. Y-DNA is J2b* M205-, M241-, matches with several Armenian genetic cousins.


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[Gallop]

The first large Visigothic necropolis in eastern Tarraconensis was found in Sarrià de Ter (Girona, Spain) between 2004
and 2006. It is composed of 58 burials with typically Germanic
trousseaux and ornamental objects (buckles, fixtures, brooches

The existence of this necropolis must be discussed in
relation to the proximity of the city of Gerunda, of the Via
Augusta and the castellum of Late Antiquity discovered recently in the neighbouring town of Sant Julià de Ramis.

http://aespa.revistas.csic.es/index.php/aespa/article/viewFile/53/53

In this link there is information about the deposit.

These are my results with the Visigoths of Girona. More information about them would be needed. Height, bone wear, mixing. Everything you could know about each one of them.

1. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (8.771) - I12034
29. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (19.6) - I12032
36. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (20.74) - I12162
59. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (24.23) - I12031
60. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (24.3) - I12163

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-p8yUETTMXw0/XORCv9qSG3I/AAAAAAAAAp8/dRLPU7u9Jfgb3nc2Rsd_VOVgQbXUQKutACLcBGAs/s640/visigodogerona.jpg

[Lucas]

The first large Visigothic necropolis in eastern Tarraconensis was found in Sarrià de Ter (Girona, Spain) between 2004
and 2006. It is composed of 58 burials with typically Germanic
trousseaux and ornamental objects (buckles, fixtures, brooches

The existence of this necropolis must be discussed in
relation to the proximity of the city of Gerunda, of the Via
Augusta and the castellum of Late Antiquity discovered recently in the neighbouring town of Sant Julià de Ramis.


In this link there is information about the deposit.

These are my results with the Visigoths of Girona. More information about them would be needed. Height, bone wear, mixing. Everything you could know about each one of them.

1. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (8.771) - I12034
29. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (19.6) - I12032
36. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (20.74) - I12162
59. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (24.23) - I12031
60. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (24.3) - I12163
G]


And now you can check them on Gedmatch Genesis and your real matches with them:)

BA8274765 Visigoth I12031
LK3037074 Visigoth I12034
KH6396435 Visigoth I12163
YK2572384 Visigoth I12162
EA3865424 Visigoth I12032

[Dick]

And now you can check them on Gedmatch Genesis and your real matches with them:)

BA8274765 Visigoth I12031
LK3037074 Visigoth I12034
KH6396435 Visigoth I12163
YK2572384 Visigoth I12162
EA3865424 Visigoth I12032

I plot same as Visigoth mixed slav on k15 but components are different

[ph2ter]

GEDmatch® Genesis Autosomal One-to-one Comparison - V1.0

Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 50 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 2.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.



BA8274765 (Visigoth I12031) [-] Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD)
Largest segment = 2.9 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 11.8 cM (0.329 Pct)
5 shared segments found for this comparison.
184368 SNPs used for this comparison.
51.897 Pct SNPs are full identical

+++
LK3037074 (Visigoth I12034) [-] Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD)
Largest segment = 2.7 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 2.7 cM (0.075 Pct)
1 shared segments found for this comparison.
167923 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.257 Pct SNPs are full identical

+++
KH6396435 (Visigoth I12163) [-] Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD)
Largest segment = 3.2 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 7.4 cM (0.206 Pct)
3 shared segments found for this comparison.
140487 SNPs used for this comparison.
51.941 Pct SNPs are full identical


+++
YK2572384 (Visigoth I12162) [-] Visigoth Germanic Girona
Largest segment = 4.2 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 11.3 cM (0.315 Pct)
4 shared segments found for this comparison.
143018 SNPs used for this comparison.
52.206 Pct SNPs are full identical

+++
EA3865424 (Visigoth I12032) [-] Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD)
Largest segment = 5.6 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 20.0 cM (0.559 Pct)
6 shared segments found for this comparison.
71509 SNPs used for this comparison.
51.862 Pct SNPs are full identical

[Cumansky]

And now you can check them on Gedmatch Genesis and your real matches with them:)

BA8274765 Visigoth I12031
LK3037074 Visigoth I12034
KH6396435 Visigoth I12163
YK2572384 Visigoth I12162
EA3865424 Visigoth I12032

Thanks, no shared DNA segments found.

Some others I got, no shared DNA segments found: Sunghir 6, Poland Hunter Gatherer, Avars, Trypillian, Scythian 009, RISE569 Early Medieval Czech, Ancient Inflanty Latvia, DA191 Hungary Scythian, and many others Early Slavic samples I don't match any, other users match tho.

[ph2ter]

Thanks, no shared DNA segments found.

Some others I got, no shared DNA segments found: Sunghir 6, Poland Hunter Gatherer, Avars, Trypillian, Scythian 009, RISE569 Early Medieval Czech, Ancient Inflanty Latvia, DA191 Hungary Scythian, and many others Early Slavic samples I don't match any, other users match tho.

Are you sure you use it properly?

[Cumansky]

Are you sure you use it properly?

Ofcourse I use properly, tell me how you run one-to-one and I will post later in that format.

[Cumansky]

Are you sure you use it properly?

Basically the populations I am close MyTrueAncestry.com, I don't physically match these samples.

[Moje ime]

Maybe stupid question - how he's mixed with Slavs considering location?

[War Chef]

My matches:


GEDmatch® Genesis Autosomal One-to-one Comparison - V1.0

Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 50 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 2.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.

✠ ✠ ✠
BA8274765 (Visigoth I12031) [-] Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD)
Largest segment = 2.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 2.1 cM (0.057 Pct)
1 shared segments found for this comparison.

✠ ✠ ✠
LK3037074 (Visigoth I12034) [-] Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD)
Largest segment = 2.5 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 4.5 cM (0.125 Pct)
2 shared segments found for this comparison.

✠ ✠ ✠
KH6396435 (Visigoth I12163) [-] Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD)
Largest segment = 2.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 2.1 cM (0.057 Pct)
1 shared segments found for this comparison.

✠ ✠ ✠
YK2572384 (Visigoth I12162) [-] Visigoth Germanic Girona
Largest segment = 2.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 6.2 cM (0.172 Pct)
3 shared segments found for this comparison.

✠ ✠ ✠
EA3865424 (Visigoth I12032) [-] Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD)
Largest segment = 3.4 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 26.1 cM (0.727 Pct)
11 shared segments found for this comparison.

[War Chef]

Maybe stupid question - how he's mixed with Slavs considering location?

The Goths lived in Ukraine/Moldova/Romania for 300 years before being scattered across Europe by the Huns.

[Token]

I have also Visigoth, it shows on the map.

This Visigoth looks like a complex mix of Germanic, Slavic and Southern Europeans.

[War Chef]

This Visigoth looks like a complex mix of Germanic, Slavic and Southern Europeans.

As expected.

[Token]

Maybe stupid question - how he's mixed with Slavs considering location?

Most certainly a recent migrant.

[Cumansky]

Huns with elite bow arrow ran Visigoths out of town?

[Freeroostah]

He is Balkan-Germanic mixed

Typical for a Thervingi Goth


1. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.35) - SZ32
2. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.78) - SZ36
3. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.92) - SZ43
4. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (15.53) - CL121
5. Central Roman (670 AD) (16.37) - CL36
6. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (16.87) - I7424
7. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (17.72) - I12031
8. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (18.68) - SZ28
9. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (18.8) - SZ40
10. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (18.95) - CL23
11. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) (19.52) - I3575

[Ibericus]

Visigoths on PCA:

https://i.ibb.co/M87SYnw/visigoths-PCA.png

[Cumansky]

Visigoths are wastemon, I ran them out of town :swatter:

[Gallop]

Visigoths on PCA:

https://i.ibb.co/M87SYnw/visigoths-PCA.png

Men made like that. They are among the peoples but they are not part of them, they are different. They approach but they maintain the distances, perhaps it is the spirit of the Visigoths.

[War Chef]

Basically the populations I am close MyTrueAncestry.com, I don't physically match these samples.

As ph2ter did, make sure you:

Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 50 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 2.0 cM


Still nothing?

[Cumansky]

As ph2ter did, make sure you:

Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 50 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 2.0 cM


Still nothing?

I ran the one from your post #61, I match but low I think, I match more cm with modern Bulgarians than this cuzzo.

Lk3037074 Visigoth i20034 Iberian Girona 2.5cm

Kh6396435 Visigoth i12163 Germanic Girona 2.8cm

Yk2572384 Visigoth i12162 Germanic Girona 2.3cm

Ea3865424 Visigoth i12032 Germanic Girona 3.2cm

[War Chef]

I ran the one from your post #61, I match but low I think, I match more cm with modern Bulgarians than this cuzzo.

Lk3037074 Visigoth i20034 Iberian Girona 2.5cm

Kh6396435 Visigoth i12163 Germanic Girona 2.8cm

Yk2572384 Visigoth i12162 Germanic Girona 2.3cm

Ea3865424 Visigoth i12032 Germanic Girona 3.2cm

What is your ethnicity, Polish or Western Ukrainian?

Also please post # of segments, as that's equally important as cM size.

[Cumansky]

What is your ethnicity, Polish or Western Ukrainian?

Also please post # of segments, as that's equally important as cM size.

Father Polish nobleman from Pokuttya Ukraine, Mother Ukrainian and Jewish from Ternopil Ukraine.

After I post full one-to-one..

[Moje ime]

I have shared segments only with these settings

Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 50 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM

but I'm not sure how much is it relevant.

[War Chef]

I have shared segments only with these settings

Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 50 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM

but I'm not sure how much is it relevant.

I seen your DNA. I think Serb north-west Euro autosomes come from Scordisi and Celtic people not so much goths, that's more of a Croatian/Slovene thing.

[Moje ime]

I seen your DNA. I think Serb north-west Euro autosomes come from Scordisi and Celtic people not so much goths, that's more of a Croatian/Slovene thing.

Do you have evidence for that?

[War Chef]

Do you have evidence for that?

Nope. Pure speculation.

[Lemgrant]

And now you can check them on Gedmatch Genesis and your real matches with them:)

BA8274765 Visigoth I12031
LK3037074 Visigoth I12034
KH6396435 Visigoth I12163
YK2572384 Visigoth I12162
EA3865424 Visigoth I12032

Me (AncestryDNA V2 raw data file):
Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 50 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 2.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.


Kit BA8274765 (Visigoth I12031)
Largest segment = 2.9 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 7.2 cM (0.200 Pct)
3 shared segments found for this comparison.
170302 SNPs used for this comparison.
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Kit KH6396435 (Visigoth I12163)
Largest segment = 3.6 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 3.6 cM (0.099 Pct)
1 shared segments found for this comparison.
129571 SNPs used for this comparison.
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Kit YK2572384 (Visigoth I12162)
Largest segment = 2.9 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 9.3 cM (0.259 Pct)
4 shared segments found for this comparison.
132388 SNPs used for this comparison.
***********

Kit EA3865424 (Visigoth I12032)
Largest segment = 3.9 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 23.9 cM (0.666 Pct)
8 shared segments found for this comparison.
65923 SNPs used for this comparison.
***********


Mother (23andMe V5 raw data file):


Kit BA8274765 (Visigoth I12031)
Largest segment = 5.0 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 12.0 cM (0.335 Pct)
4 shared segments found for this comparison.
67544 SNPs used for this comparison.
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Kit KH6396435 (Visigoth I12163)
Largest segment = 5.3 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 7.3 cM (0.205 Pct)
2 shared segments found for this comparison.
51290 SNPs used for this comparison.
***********

Kit YK2572384 (Visigoth I12162)
Largest segment = 3.0 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 3.0 cM (0.084 Pct)
1 shared segments found for this comparison.
52249 SNPs used for this comparison.
***********

Kit EA3865424 (Visigoth I12032)

No shared DNA segments found
26028 SNPs used for this comparison.

[War Chef]

Me (AncestryDNA V2 raw data file):
Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 50 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 2.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.


Kit BA8274765 (Visigoth I12031)
Largest segment = 2.9 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 7.2 cM (0.200 Pct)
3 shared segments found for this comparison.
170302 SNPs used for this comparison.
***********

Kit KH6396435 (Visigoth I12163)
Largest segment = 3.6 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 3.6 cM (0.099 Pct)
1 shared segments found for this comparison.
129571 SNPs used for this comparison.
***********

Kit YK2572384 (Visigoth I12162)
Largest segment = 2.9 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 9.3 cM (0.259 Pct)
4 shared segments found for this comparison.
132388 SNPs used for this comparison.
***********

Kit EA3865424 (Visigoth I12032)
Largest segment = 3.9 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 23.9 cM (0.666 Pct)
8 shared segments found for this comparison.
65923 SNPs used for this comparison.
***********


Mother (23andMe V5 raw data file):


Kit BA8274765 (Visigoth I12031)
Largest segment = 5.0 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 12.0 cM (0.335 Pct)
4 shared segments found for this comparison.
67544 SNPs used for this comparison.
***********

Kit KH6396435 (Visigoth I12163)
Largest segment = 5.3 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 7.3 cM (0.205 Pct)
2 shared segments found for this comparison.
51290 SNPs used for this comparison.
***********

Kit YK2572384 (Visigoth I12162)
Largest segment = 3.0 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 3.0 cM (0.084 Pct)
1 shared segments found for this comparison.
52249 SNPs used for this comparison.
***********

Kit EA3865424 (Visigoth I12032)

No shared DNA segments found
26028 SNPs used for this comparison.

What's your ancestry?

[Lemgrant]

What's your ancestry?

I know about Ukrainian-Russian + Greek and Jewish (these two were speculation but confirmed with 23andme). Mtdna U4b is probably Germanic according to 23andme.

1. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?248847-My-Ancestry-Results-Post-Yours-I-Would-Love-To-See&p=5792222&viewfull=1#post5792222

2. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?286764-My-mother-s-results

[Bosniensis]

I have doubts about that visigoth sample, it's not enough germanic to be visigoth

[Dick]

Do you have evidence for that?

Could be from Saxons. They were probably more celtic(western) autosmally than germanic(northern). Also there are more and more new ydna results that show that. There was an estimated 50,000 Saxons that emigrated, including women children and were all assimilated. The locals hated them because they were treated like Royalty by the King. One privilege that the Saxons enjoyed made them especially unpopular with their neighbors - they had to right to seize anything they needed from any house without providing compensation. This practice of seizure and the Saxon's polite way of coming into a house with the word bitte (please) and leaving with the word danke (thanks), led to the creation of the Serbian word to describe their behavior - bitange, meaning "saucy," "prudish," and "arrogant persons" at same time.

[Dick]

they also probably brought the potato to the Balkans. Krompir is from the word Gromper(ground pear) which is specifically from the Luxembourgish dialect

[Lucas]

they also probably brought the potato to the Balkans. Krompir is from the word Gromper(ground pear) which is specifically from the Luxembourgish dialect

Something about vegetables, Goths and Balkans...

If I have to say more:) ?

In case of Russsia it is probably Varangian borrowing, but for Balkans clearly Gothic with origin of the word in Scandinavia obviously.

https://languagesoftheworld.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/onion_map.png

[Dick]

Something about vegetables, Goths and Balkans...

If I have to say more:) ?

In case of Russsia it is probably Varangian borrowing, but for Balkans clearly Gothic.

https://languagesoftheworld.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/onion_map.png

I did not know this. I thought Leek was a celtic word

[Lucas]

I did not know this. I thought Leek was a celtic word

Original Celtic is winwnsyn in Welsh as we see on the map... Any Slav could say such horrible word:)

[Dick]

Original Celtic is winwnsyn in Welsh as we see on the map... Any Slav could say such horrible word:)

Right, maybe the word leek was brought to England with the Angles

[Lemgrant]

Something about vegetables, Goths and Balkans...

If I have to say more:) ?

In case of Russsia it is probably Varangian borrowing, but for Balkans clearly Gothic with origin of the word in Scandinavia obviously.

https://languagesoftheworld.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/onion_map.png

Krommion - Κρόμμυον in ancient Greek language

Kremidi in modern Greek

[HungryLion]

Hi, does anyone have kit or any info about Kievan Russ 1130ad ? I got him as my "cousin" lol..

Also would be cool to see K12b of this visigoth/(south)slavic mix.

[HungryLion]

I have doubts about that visigoth sample, it's not enough germanic to be visigoth

Clearly mixed..Look like asimilated by slavs than by visigoths. Not very pleasant story lol

[Gallop]

The kits of the Visigoths of Girona have disappeared from Gedmatch, by the way I imagine that there will be more kits of Visigoths from the rest of Spain in fact at school they never told us about the Visigoths of Pla de Horta xd