LEBANESE MY HERITAGE RESULTS [Strange]

[Ahaddad]

66,3% West Asia
19,0% Sephardic Jewish and North Africa
12,2% Middle Eastern
2,5% South Asia



help to interpret this results!!

[Ahaddad]

This is typical for a Lebanese?

[Lucas]

What strange here?

[Tigranes]

Lebanese:cool:

[whoibe]

Do you have any Sephardic DNA matches? That will help determine whether you have Sephardic ancestry or if it's just another case of MyHeritage interchanging North African and Sephardic

edit: just noticed you said Sephardic Jewish AND North Africa. How much percentage says "Sephardic Jewish - North African" and how much just "North African" ? Can you post a screenshot?


What strange here?

I assume he's wondering about the Sephardic he scored.

[Voskos]

Lebanese are majority phoenician with some arabian input. Additionally all MENAs carry some south asian. These results aren't unusual at all.

[MagnusDark]

My Lebanese friend is from Beirut and his moms Syrian. Here’s his MyHeritage for comparison. They’re Greek Orthodox Lebanese.

https://i.postimg.cc/Qt6BGvw2/EAAD75-D6-F180-472-F-95-D0-AB19-FB351-F87.jpg

[Abdelnour]

Interesting. Here is my results in comparison:

https://i.ibb.co/GW8CJw5/Screenshot-20190403-110344-Adblock-Browser.jpg

[21993]

19,0% Sephardic Jewish and North Africa seems atypical.

[Abdelnour]

19,0% Sephardic Jewish and North Africa seems atypical.

No it is not. North African in Lebanese is entirely Sephardic Jews. There is a Palestinian Christian here that scores similiar results.

[Adamm]

No it is not. North African in Lebanese is entirely Sephardic Jews. There is a Palestinian Christian here that scores similiar results.

Is there a difference in DNA between Lebanese Christians and muslims?

[Abdelnour]

Is there a difference in DNA between Lebanese Christians and muslims?

There is minor differences. Muslims score more European on average along with more SSA. I am an atypical case where my European is just as much as the muslims but with low SSA(between .5-1.63 percent)

[MagnusDark]

There is minor differences. Muslims score more European on average along with more SSA. I am an atypical case where my European is just as much as the muslims but with low SSA(between .5-1.63 percent)

I guess that explains why my friend is closer to Lebanese Muslims on average despite being orthodox Christian. He gets 28 percent European.

[Abdelnour]

I guess that explains why my friend is closer to Lebanese Muslims on average despite being orthodox Christian. He gets 28 percent European.

In general the Crusaders mixed with muslims through rape but there were instances of inter mixing, albeit minor, with Christians.

[Adamm]

There is minor differences. Muslims score more European on average along with more SSA. I am an atypical case where my European is just as much as the muslims but with low SSA(between .5-1.63 percent)

Interesting, I always thought Lebanese Christians scored more European than muslims (because of Christian Greek immigration to Lebanon). How does Phoenician DNA admixture manifest itself within these DNA tests? Is it middle eastern or West Asian?

[Abdelnour]

Interesting, I always thought Lebanese Christians scored more European than muslims (because of Christian Greek immigration to Lebanon). How does Phoenician DNA admixture manifest itself within these DNA tests? Is it middle eastern or West Asian?

Good question. Funny thing is that the Pheonicians and the Bronze age Levantines were more Arabian shifted then they are today. Sometime in history, possibly during the Persian empire, Levantines became much more West Asian.

I have to dig up GEDmatches for ancient Canaanite samples but studies have concluded tha the Levant became more West Asian over time, as opposed to the traditional theory that they became more Arab when Islam and the Arabian invasion arised.

[Ahaddad]

Do you have any Sephardic DNA matches? That will help determine whether you have Sephardic ancestry or if it's just another case of MyHeritage interchanging North African and Sephardic

edit: just noticed you said Sephardic Jewish AND North Africa. How much percentage says "Sephardic Jewish - North African" and how much just "North African" ? Can you post a screenshot?



I assume he's wondering about the Sephardic he scored.

No Jewish matches, anyone. Maybe Sephardic mean mixing North Africa and Middle East too I don’t know. Btw the admixture that o publish is typical for Lebanese or Assyrian?

[Ahaddad]

Do you have any Sephardic DNA matches? That will help determine whether you have Sephardic ancestry or if it's just another case of MyHeritage interchanging North African and Sephardic

edit: just noticed you said Sephardic Jewish AND North Africa. How much percentage says "Sephardic Jewish - North African" and how much just "North African" ? Can you post a screenshot?



I assume he's wondering about the Sephardic he scored.
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[Gangrel]

It's MyHeritage, when you send in a MyHeritage kit you shouldn't even bother looking at the ethnicity estimate and should just download the kite for Gedmatch

[Ahaddad]

But This admixture is typical for Lebanese or Levantine ?

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[chalcogen]

Is there a difference in DNA between Lebanese Christians and muslims?

This paper discusses it if you want to look more into such differences. (https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1003316)

[Ahaddad]

This results is normal to Lebanese results or be Assyrian ? Because this is 100% Lebanese origin.

[whoibe]

This results is normal to Lebanese results or be Assyrian ? Because this is 100% Lebanese origin.

Google how to download MyHeritage results and upload them to Gedmatch, then people here will be able to help you more

[Ahaddad]

Google how to download MyHeritage results and upload them to Gedmatch, then people here will be able to help you more

It’s not mine is one cousin but by these numbers what you think?

[Pine]

Lebanese normally get Middle Eastern as their largest category on MyHeritage. However, I've seen Levantines get West Asian as their main category (i.e a Syrian).

[Ahaddad]

Lebanese normally get Middle Eastern as their largest category on MyHeritage. However, I've seen Levantines get West Asian as their main category (i.e a Syrian).

I think Lebanese have high % of West Asian with mixing with Middle Eastern/Sephardic Jewish, for example this Lebanese Have 66% west Asia and 31% Middle Eastern/ Sephardic. I think maybe Sephardic is close to levantines and can put in Levantine Middle Eastern people.

What mean west Asia? Is Lebanon include ? I see in YouTube a Syrian arab muslim with 70% west Asia and just 6% middle eastern.

[Pine]

I think Lebanese have high % of West Asian with mixing with Middle Eastern/Sephardic Jewish, for example this Lebanese Have 66% west Asia and 31% Middle Eastern/ Sephardic. I think maybe Sephardic is close to levantines and can put in Levantine Middle Eastern people.

What mean west Asia? Is Lebanon include ? I see in YouTube a Syrian arab muslim with 70% west Asia and just 6% middle eastern.

No, Lebanese didn't absorb Sephardic Jews. And Sephardic Jews are about as Levantine as Ashkenazi Jews. You're thinking of some Mizrachi Jews. I'm talking about MyHeritage's use of "West Asian" vs "Middle Eastern", as opposed to the terms' absolute meaning. The reason why some Levantines get mostly West Asian on MyHeritage is probably related to the reason why Levantines' highest score on FTDNA is "Asia Minor". Likely, the "Middle East" reference on MyHeritage, as the "West Middle East" on FTDNA, isolates the Levant too deep in its history. That is, to a time of Natufians or early Canaanites, before more "West Asian" elements migrated to the Levant. I share some DNA segments with Hittite samples, or at least those labeled as such. I'd like to see if other Levantines also do.

[Ahaddad]

No, Lebanese didn't absorb Sephardic Jews. And Sephardic Jews are about as Levantine as Ashkenazi Jews. You're thinking of some Mizrachi Jews. I'm talking about MyHeritage's use of "West Asian" vs "Middle Eastern", as opposed to the terms' absolute meaning. The reason why some Levantines get mostly West Asian on MyHeritage is probably related to the reason why Levantines' highest score on FTDNA is "Asia Minor". Likely, the "Middle East" reference on MyHeritage, as the "West Middle East" on FTDNA, isolates the Levant too deep in its history. That is, to a time of Natufians or early Canaanites, before more "West Asian" elements migrated to the Levant. I share some DNA segments with Hittite samples, or at least those labeled as such. I'd like to see if other Levantines also do.


Yes I know, what I mean is that many Lebanese tested has % of Sephardic
Jews, I just ask if this maybe this date is mixing of middle eastern, North Africa with some Mediterranean Europe, because Lebanese has this admixture too.


You thing this my heritage admixture is more to Lebanese or to Assyrian ?

[Pine]

Yes I know, what I mean is that many Lebanese tested has % of Sephardic
Jews, I just ask if this maybe this date is mixing of middle eastern, North Africa with some Mediterranean Europe, because Lebanese has this admixture too.

Christian Lebanese barely have anything but Levantine DNA. Some Muslim Lebanese have some European from rape and some Arabian. Lebanese get every single Jewish group in their results: Sephardic, Mizrachi and Ashkenazi. What I think is going on, is it's picking up on 2 things: 1. Ancient Jewish ancestry (pre-diasporic - mutual ancestors of the Jewish groups they get in their results). The first Christians were Jews. And some Assyrian/Syriac families even have oral history of descending from such families. 2. It's mistaking Phoenician ancestry for the Hebrew ancestry in Jews, as the two groups were arguably one group long ago.

However, you may be on to something as far as them trying to match "mixing" of ancient groups to modern groups. Others have noticed that an upload vs an ordered kit will result in the difference between the sub-categories on MyHeritage of North African Sephardic and North African.



You thing this my heritage admixture is more to Lebanese or to Assyrian ?

The Jewish results? According to oral history of the groups - more Assyrian. According to autosomal studies of the two - more Lebanese.

[Ahaddad]

This results is far to Armenians ? Or Azeri and Georgians?