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Celestia
05-20-2019, 04:52 AM
This was the worst finale I have seen in my entire life. 8 years down the drain. This was worse than a breakup.
Holy craaaapppppp

Dick
05-20-2019, 04:54 AM
My condolences.

FountainOfSalmacis
05-20-2019, 04:57 AM
I bailed on the series last season. Not surprising.

Oghuz
05-20-2019, 04:58 AM
Feminism and liberal agenda

Celestia
05-20-2019, 04:59 AM
I bailed on the series last season. Not surprising.

You didn't miss anything except for complete and utter disappointment.

Celestia
05-20-2019, 05:03 AM
Feminism and liberal agenda

yup. I caught that vibe too.

Oghuz
05-20-2019, 05:07 AM
yup. I caught that vibe too.

All the warriors got crippled, killed, forgotten.

Replaced by teeny girls with attitude supported by dwarf, disabled, fat, old men ...

Liberal agenda

Celestia
05-20-2019, 05:11 AM
All the warriors got crippled, killed, forgotten.

Replaced by teeny girls with attitude supported by dwarf, disabled, fat, old men ...

Liberal agenda

I'm pretty liberal but that was just flat out dumb
This show was great for its raw vulgarity and gruesome violence and they end it with the voting for the cripple to be king. holy cow

Zeus
05-20-2019, 05:20 AM
This was the worst finale I have seen in my entire life.

why was this the worst finale you have ever seen in your life?

Celestia
05-20-2019, 05:24 AM
why was this the worst finale you have ever seen in your life?

It was disappointing, anti-climactic, and underwhelming. GOT seasons 1-6 were perfection and the last two seasons really dropped the ball... I held onto hope for the finale but it just didn't come through.

Dick
05-20-2019, 05:32 AM
So how about them Red Sox. They won tonight against the Astros.

Celestia
05-20-2019, 05:33 AM
So how about them Red Sox. They won tonight against the Astros.

eh baseball is boring unless I'm drinking a cold one.

Dick
05-20-2019, 05:34 AM
eh baseball is boring unless I'm drinking a cold one.

girl bye.

Sarmatian
05-20-2019, 05:43 AM
This was the worst finale I have seen in my entire life. 8 years down the drain. This was worse than a breakup.
Holy craaaapppppp

From what I heard HBO was willing to run the show for 10 seasons, was willing to pay for all the dragons and stuff. It were purely D&D (aka Dumb & Dumber) who rushed it through and ruined years of hard work for all. Once they got past books they had no intellectual capacity to fully develop an adequate story.

Smeagol
05-20-2019, 05:46 AM
I didn't watch the finale yet, but I feel like the show went downhill after Ramsay Bolton died.

Dick
05-20-2019, 05:49 AM
I didn't watch the finale yet, but I feel like the show went downhill after Ramsay Bolton died.

Did he play shortstop?

Oghuz
05-20-2019, 05:51 AM
I'm pretty liberal but that was just flat out dumb
This show was great for its raw vulgarity and gruesome violence and they end it with the voting for the cripple to be king. holy cow

Funny enough the character has repeatedly said in previous seasons that he does not want any leadership role and suddenly he agreed to become the king.

Celestia
05-20-2019, 05:51 AM
From what I heard HBO was willing to run the show for 10 seasons, was willing to pay for all the dragons and stuff. It were purely D&D (aka Dumb & Dumber) who rushed it through and ruined years of hard work for all. Once they got past books they had no intellectual capacity to fully develop an adequate story.

This makes me sick. Really.

Oghuz
05-20-2019, 05:52 AM
I believe in 2 years there will be a prequel and going by the casting I saw, its gonna be another liberal show.

Celestia
05-20-2019, 05:55 AM
Funny enough the character has repeatedly said in previous seasons that he does not want any leadership role and suddenly he agreed to become the king.

The finale was rushed. just horrible. They did not give their characters the justice and ending they so well deserved.

Sarmatian
05-20-2019, 06:00 AM
I believe in 2 years there will be a prequel and going by the casting I saw, its gonna be another liberal show.

That's because Dumb & Dumber have exclusive rights on the story. They can do whatever they want out of it.

Borealis
05-20-2019, 06:24 AM
There is a petition to remake Season 8 with different writers. It's not gonna happen but it's meant to be symbolic.

https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers

Dick
05-20-2019, 06:27 AM
This makes me sick. Really.

as long as it's not morning sickness #notmykid

Celestia
05-20-2019, 06:28 AM
as long as it's not morning sickness #notmykid

Yeah but you gave my computer a virus. #didntuseprotection

Mopi Licinius Crassus
05-20-2019, 06:31 AM
did the ending of GoT follow the books? or was it different

Borealis
05-20-2019, 06:43 AM
did the ending of GoT follow the books? or was it different

Yes but it was executed awfully

Smeagol
05-20-2019, 06:49 AM
Yes but it was executed awfully

The books aren't done yet. There are supposed to be two more and the author apparently said that the show won't influence their ending. I haven't actually read any of them yet, but i'll probably start them after I catch up with the final episodes.

Borealis
05-20-2019, 06:50 AM
The books aren't done yet. There are supposed to be two more and the author apparently said that the show won't influence their ending. I haven't actually read any of them yet, but i'll probably start after I catch up with the final episodes.

GRRM confirmed the show and books will end the same way

Smeagol
05-20-2019, 06:53 AM
GRRM confirmed the show and books will end the same way

Well I saw something on youtube where he said the opposite. Either way, I bet he'll be able to pull it off better.

Ice
05-20-2019, 07:21 AM
0,00

frankhammer
05-20-2019, 07:39 AM
Who is d&d? Ive seen this mentioned before?

As for GoT, it ended. :shrug: Idk, I had no expectations so wasn't disappointed.

Skjaldemjøden
05-20-2019, 07:49 AM
I'm bummed too. We'll have to wait a couple of decades for a remake based on the books.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić
05-20-2019, 08:40 AM
Who is d&d? Ive seen this mentioned before?

As for GoT, it ended. :shrug: Idk, I had no expectations so wasn't disappointed.

Two Jews who buy story rights from Martin and expelled him from the project after season or two

Sarmatian
05-20-2019, 09:17 AM
Who is d&d? Ive seen this mentioned before?

As for GoT, it ended. :shrug: Idk, I had no expectations so wasn't disappointed.

Dumb & Dumber from now on.

But seriously it's D. Benioff and D. Weiss, creators of the show. Once they got past material from original books they simply couldn't maintain the story on the same level of intrigue and dept.

Borealis
05-20-2019, 09:34 AM
Dumb & Dumber from now on.

But seriously it's D. Benioff and D. Weiss, creators of the show. Once they got past material from original books they simply couldn't maintain the story on the same level of intrigue and dept.

Retards. Any fan could have come up with better dialogue for the season

Zmey Gorynych
05-20-2019, 12:24 PM
Dumb & Dumber from now on.

But seriously it's D. Benioff and D. Weiss, creators of the show. Once they got past material from original books they simply couldn't maintain the story on the same level of intrigue and dept.
That seems to be the case. Benioff has done some good work in the past (25th Hour, Stay, not sure if Troy can be called good work) but he screwed up with this one. The whole thing was rushed and very gay-liberal. My issue is with how the Night King story ended - greatest enemy of humans defeated in the first battle and how.

Incal
05-20-2019, 12:56 PM
It was disappointing, anti-climactic, and underwhelming. GOT seasons 1-6 were perfection and the last two seasons really dropped the ball... I held onto hope for the finale but it just didn't come through.

It's because the first ones were adapted on R.R. Martin's books while the last 2... Didn't have anything to be based on lol

Crimean
05-20-2019, 01:20 PM
This was the worst finale I have seen in my entire life. 8 years down the drain. This was worse than a breakup.
Holy craaaapppppp
I watched only Season 1 Episode 1 to form my own opinion about the ass of the Mother of Dragons, now I understand that I shouldn’t look further, knowing about the ruined ending. Thanks for the time saved!

Annie999
05-20-2019, 01:42 PM
Dissapointed. Jon character was destroyed, he never woke up, never acted as he should, and in the end he was a stupid loser.

Bran the bore the king?! Facepalm.

So many inconsistencies, Jon case brought to a trial with most on his side and no one brought up the fact he was the actual king. Yet Tiryon also a prisioner gets to pick kings and is even proposed to be one. Not to mention all westerosi suddenly respecting aliens Grey worm and troop, normally they would just seize them at once. Then A wall that was destroyed and empty suddenly up again (reconstructed by who if all night watch men were dead), etc etc.

I didn’t mind the rest of characters ending.

Grace O'Malley
05-20-2019, 01:47 PM
I loved the whole series and was glad that Tyrion lived, Jon got reunited with Ghost :cheer_icoon: and pleased that Drogon survived although he is now alone. :cry2

Anyway there is always going to be people unhappy with these programs and how they end but I think it's been a phenomenal experience and sad that it is now over. Just loved the dragons, dire wolves and magic. There was some fantastic characters and it has to be one of the best programs ever.

I've started rewatching it to refresh my memory and see if I can pick up hints that I missed previously.

Oghuz
05-20-2019, 02:18 PM
season 1-5 were natural.

6-8 were just liberal agenda (feminism, anti men hatred, self destructive socialism)

Magnolia
05-20-2019, 02:53 PM
Well... it was so diplomatic, jaj.

The serial started as 'cruel' and I think it should have been respected.

To let kill all good characters and let to win an evil that would have been only one end that fans would have been able to accept.

If they didnt want to let win an evil, than Jon was supposed to be the king.

Ylla
05-20-2019, 03:58 PM
Awful ending. Its a shame what they've done to this show.

Imperator Biff
05-20-2019, 04:08 PM
(((D&D))) are hacks. They were just fanboys following the source material.
Once they got passed the books it was nothing but gay fanfic. Sadly I don’t think that fat lazy kike Martin will finish the books.

Celestia
05-20-2019, 04:23 PM
Dissapointed. Jon character was destroyed, he never woke up, never acted as he should, and in the end he was a stupid loser.

Bran the bore the king?! Facepalm.

So many inconsistencies, Jon case brought to a trial with most on his side and no one brought up the fact he was the actual king. Yet Tiryon also a prisioner gets to pick kings and is even proposed to be one. Not to mention all westerosi suddenly respecting aliens Grey worm and troop, normally they would just seize them at once. Then A wall that was destroyed and empty suddenly up again (reconstructed by who if all night watch men were dead), etc etc.

I didn’t mind the rest of characters ending.

Yes. This. You summed it up perfectly.

What I did like most out of this season was The Hounds death and Jamie and Cersei.
A lot of people complained that Cersei didn’t have a tragic enough death but I liked how poetic it was that her and Jamie died together.

Rgvgjhvv
05-20-2019, 04:34 PM
Absolutely great ending. I thought it was genuinely great. Totally satisfied. Don't understand all the hate, and also don't care.

Damião de Góis
05-20-2019, 08:22 PM
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/episodes

The ending episode currently has a 4.5 rating, which is more or less the same that the Sharknado movies have.

I guess the writers wanted to troll and decided to ruin a good series. My only surprise is that this is apparently the same story line that George Martin thought for the coming books.

GreentheViper
05-20-2019, 10:45 PM
I liked some elements of it the ending, and disliked others. I’d say it was pretty mediocre as endings go, especially for a show like Game of Thrones. I suppose it motivates me more to finish the books lol.

The Lawspeaker
05-20-2019, 10:46 PM
It was absolutely horrendous.

Ylla
05-20-2019, 10:48 PM
It was absolutely horrendous.

It was like watching a parody, hubby and I just started to laugh at some point.

The Lawspeaker
05-20-2019, 10:49 PM
It was like watching a parody, hubby and I just started to laugh at some point.

I don't blame you. Thank God, my fiancee and I pirated the whole lot so it didn't cost us a penny. I feel like a moron for buying the books, though. 35 euro's or so.. pissed away. FML.

MagnusDark
05-20-2019, 11:00 PM
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/episodes

The ending episode currently has a 4.5 rating, which is more or less the same that the Sharknado movies have.

I guess the writers wanted to troll and decided to ruin a good series. My only surprise is that this is apparently the same story line that George Martin thought for the coming books.

The difference is he will take a whole book and over 1000 pages to explain with actually skill what the mediocre writers tried to do in 6 hours. To put that in perspective, the first book on audio form is the length of 4 seasons of thrones.

Also, rumor has it the books are already done and he waited until the finale due to contractual obligation. 6th book is potentially out this year.

The way they get to this same end will be vastly different. Characters still alive in the books are dead in the show. Also Gendry is basically 15 Baratheon bastard story threads mashed into one. Changes were made since season 2 so it’s a different entity to the books. Imagine a parallel universe, only the show version is a less integral version of the books.

The last book was originally called a time for wolves. Martin also said in interviews the reason Bran/3ER would be the best King. Also the books 3ER seems to have a very ominous plan. He’s a bastard Targaryen who has literally used magic to manipulate the realm and even start Roberts rebellion. Bran is also called the flying wolf or something and is never referred to specifically as 3ER.

Also, all the Starks in the book including Jon can warg. The show only made bran a warg. So the books and show have diverged since season 2. Only they had enough from the books to go off of that it was still great. Until they had to rely on their own talent and dropped the ball. Mostly their fault. Partly Martins for not finishing the books first.

The Lawspeaker
05-20-2019, 11:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3XKns1Il1U

Feminists disavow Daenerys because she is not a real feminist...the very moment she became a genocidal maniac.

The Lawspeaker
05-20-2019, 11:47 PM
As someone joked:

IT WAS HER TURN!
NO BORDERS
NO WALL
NO KING'S LANDING AT ALL✊

Borealis
05-20-2019, 11:58 PM
They needed 10 seasons with 10 episodes each, finished books, and competent show writers. Instead we got 8 seasons(the last two a total of 13 episodes), two unfinished books, and incompetent show writers. It was not going to end well at all.

Kamal900
05-21-2019, 01:25 AM
I don't blame you. Thank God, my fiancee and I pirated the whole lot so it didn't cost us a penny. I feel like a moron for buying the books, though. 35 euro's or so.. pissed away. FML.

Thankfully, I never watched the show nor read any of the books, lol. I hate shows or anything that pushes degeneracy and so on.

Skjaldemjøden
05-21-2019, 01:36 AM
Thankfully, I never watched the show nor read any of the books, lol. I hate shows or anything that pushes degeneracy and so on.

That's rich coming from a 30 year old bronie.

Kamal900
05-21-2019, 01:43 AM
That's rich coming from a 30 year old bronie.

Not exactly a brony but I like the show, lol. I'm 28, fam.

Smeagol
05-21-2019, 01:44 AM
Thankfully, I never watched the show nor read any of the books, lol. I hate shows or anything that pushes degeneracy and so on.

The show was great for the first 6 seasons.

Kamal900
05-21-2019, 01:46 AM
The show was great for the first 6 seasons.

Since they were based on the books, yes.

Faklon
05-21-2019, 01:48 AM
The finale wasn't all that bad, just too weak to save the two previous episodes.

Morena
05-21-2019, 02:09 AM
I've heard this too from others. It was just a very bad ending because it didn't fit the characters. I understand, since this happened to a show that I really liked that ran forever : cough : Naruto : cough :.

Oghuz
05-21-2019, 02:20 AM
They should have shown Jon as a proper Targeryen, either sitting on the throne or riding Drogon back to Valyria where his ancestors came from.

Smeagol
05-21-2019, 02:46 AM
I understand, since this happened to a show that I really liked that ran forever : cough : Naruto : cough :.

Lol, another one of the worst endings in history.

Borealis
05-21-2019, 02:51 AM
I've heard this too from others. It was just a very bad ending because it didn't fit the characters. I understand, since this happened to a show that I really liked that ran forever : cough : Naruto : cough :.

You actually watched that?

Morena
05-21-2019, 02:56 AM
You actually watched that?

Yes. :twitch00: It was serious business. It was big when I was in my twenties. By the end, I was sticking around because the last three arcs (starting with Pain's death) were ...mediocre or bad depending... and I was so heavily invested. You may or may not be able to find the fanfiction I wrote about it. :whistle:

Borealis
05-21-2019, 03:01 AM
Yes. :twitch00: It was serious business. It was big when I was in my twenties. By the end, I was sticking around because the last three arcs (starting with Pain's death) were ...mediocre or bad depending... and I was so heavily invested. You may or may not be able to find the fanfiction I wrote about it. :whistle:

Damn, you weren't kidding about being weird.
(i am joking of course)

Morena
05-21-2019, 03:02 AM
Damn, you weren't kidding about being weird.

Yes. It's a wonder I'm married. :rolleyes:

Borealis
05-21-2019, 05:15 AM
Yes. It's a wonder I'm married. :rolleyes:

Cause youre beautiful

Bosniensis
05-21-2019, 05:17 AM
Jon Snow was crying the last 50 episods... what a coward and emo guy...

Sarmatian
05-21-2019, 07:09 AM
That seems to be the case. Benioff has done some good work in the past (25th Hour, Stay, not sure if Troy can be called good work) but he screwed up with this one. The whole thing was rushed and very gay-liberal. My issue is with how the Night King story ended - greatest enemy of humans defeated in the first battle and how.

It's not that they can't write a good script. It's them being modern liberals totally lacking understanding of medieval era. Noblemen who were born and raised as professional warriors with respect to violence before anything else ruled the life back then, that's foundation for entire setting and that was exactly the feature that made both books and first half of show so popular. Things like Arya butchering Lord Protector of the Vale in front of bunch of Vale knights or Lyanna Mormont speaking during council before old war-hardened veterans are simply unthinkable. When in other instance Lyanna was yelling at Jorah I was laughing. Entire Mormont's escort should've bent their knees to Jorah the very moment they recognized their old lord and hide that little annoying nuisance called Lyanna in far corners of the castle.

Battles were simply appalling. Battle of Bastards was insult to human intelligence. Same with Battle of Winterfell. The guy who staged them should've been kept far away from setting since he knows absolutely nothing of medieval warfare.

Jaime Lannister, professional killer trained since childhood, one of the best swords in all kingdoms, can't learn to fight with left hand. Really??? Will take like a month or two for anyone. Also wearing some 3 kg of metal as his right hand - that's practically a mace capable of smashing out teeth and crushing skulls - and barely use it in combat. On top of that he is one of the most experienced generals in all kingdoms, was leading armies a number of times, was in charge of few battles and won. He was one single most experienced military commander at Winterfell, why wasn't he placed in charge of any unit? :picard2::picard2::picard2:

I can rant about stupidity of the show for hours, there was so much these imbeciles screwed up.

Finnish Swede
05-21-2019, 07:16 AM
Pancake ending.

Too many Starks (3), Lannister (1) etc. survived.

Sarmatian
05-21-2019, 07:16 AM
Retards. Any fan could have come up with better dialogue for the season

Ten seasons ten episodes each HBO was willing to do. Plenty of time to develop any and all character lines. Them pricks were just too retarded to make it on their own and too arrogant to ask someone else to do it instead.

Borealis
05-21-2019, 07:20 AM
Ten seasons ten episodes each HBO was willing to do. Plenty of time to develop any and all character lines. Them pricks were just too retarded to make it on their own and too arrogant to ask someone else to do it instead.

Greatest show of all time just ruined for no good reason. I really wish George had just dropped those books, I really do.

Finnish Swede
05-21-2019, 07:24 AM
Ten seasons ten episodes each HBO was willing to do. Plenty of time to develop any and all character lines. Them pricks were just too retarded to make it on their own and too arrogant to ask someone else to do it instead.

Yup. And based on this … the idea of any spinoff tv serie (timeline: 1000years before GoT) sounds pretty ''scary''. There are't any books of those time.

Kyp
05-21-2019, 08:09 AM
i actually thought where the most characters ended up was handled pretty well. (except for maybe Bran, Bronn, Podrick...)
The ending for Jon was really beautiful. Just because he's a Targaryen by blood doesn't mean he should forget his entire life. He is the quiet hero of Westeros.
But of course the whole season was rushed and GoT wasn't good since season 7 (you could argue season 5/6) anyway. The worst episode of them all was s08e03. After that I didn't care anyway. I don't get all the hate now. It should have been hate since last season peaking at episode 3 this season.

MagnusDark
05-21-2019, 12:37 PM
The simple fact is the showrunners closed a deal with Disney for Star Wars 4 years ago. This is around the time where they announced their plan for only 7 seasons and then decided they needed 13 to finish in 8. They simply wanted to movie on and after closing a deal with Disney the last 2 seasons showed it. I hope their work flops. If you don't respect a source material and stick with it to do it justice than you're in it for money and not art. So I hope the response tho the final season will scare disney away.

Oneeye
05-21-2019, 01:57 PM
Well... it was so diplomatic, jaj.

The serial started as 'cruel' and I think it should have been respected.

To let kill all good characters and let to win an evil that would have been only one end that fans would have been able to accept.

If they didnt want to let win an evil, than Jon was supposed to be the king.


That's what kills me.


A Song of Ice and Fire was Machiavellian, filled with harsh men, brutality, and ruthless tactics to gain power. It felt a bit of a good history lesson.

Then they turned it into the run of the mill TV show after GRRM was out of the picture. I stopped watching when Littlefinger sold out Sansa to Ramsey. That was the departure from the books that did me in.

Then I saw the scene of Baelish's death. It was very cringy.

No way I'm watching the last couple seasons. I'd rather hear about it.



I had coworkers excited over how "badass" Arya was... why? She's a petite gal with a rapier.

Zmey Gorynych
05-21-2019, 03:54 PM
Battles were simply appalling. Battle of Bastards was insult to human intelligence. Same with Battle of Winterfell. The guy who staged them should've been kept far away from setting since he knows absolutely nothing of medieval warfare.
Indeed, battles were terrible. What's the point of holding a castle if you meet your opponent just outside of it? It doesn't make sense and it happened in both cases. For the first battle they said that the battle of Cannae was an inspiration. I don't see how since the encirclement at Cannae happened gradually thanks to calculated movement of forces and there were no walls of dead bodies, something that doesn't happen as it is physically impossible. For the second battle why would you meet an opponent who outnumbers you out in the open with all the fortifications behind you and then you send your best force to charge at the opponent without scouting and using the artillery first? It was stupid and the strangest thing is that the first episode received universal critical acclaim.

The strong women crap deserves its own critique as it is simply unimaginable in that era and not particularly real in this era (not based on reality but wishful thinking)

Creoda
05-21-2019, 03:56 PM
Thank god this crap is over.

Damião de Góis
05-21-2019, 08:22 PM
Jon Snow was crying the last 50 episods... what a coward and emo guy...

It's very clear he got lobotomized some time during season 8.

The Lawspeaker
05-21-2019, 08:24 PM
I think I know where Drogon went off to. He just went to look for better writers.

Vožd
05-21-2019, 08:31 PM
The last episode was the best in season 8. Not cringe or illogical scenes (except that Unsullied did nothing after Daenerys murdered - Jon should be executed for that. They sent him in Castle Black as punishment, and he joined Free Folks in their returning in far North lol).

The Lawspeaker
05-21-2019, 08:33 PM
At the end of the day - The latest meme really sums it up:

Arya went West
Drogon went East
Jon went North
The plot went South.

Aspirin
05-21-2019, 09:06 PM
Much better than official finale.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahMGtL113AM

Borealis
05-21-2019, 11:23 PM
At the end of the day - The latest meme really sums it up:

Arya went West
Drogon went East
Jon went North
The plot went South.

That is beautiful.

Finnish Swede
05-23-2019, 04:20 PM
Already this would have been much much better ending.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0mncEl4nVU

TheMaestro
05-23-2019, 04:26 PM
I am still waiting for Czech dubbing.

Bellbeaking
05-23-2019, 04:34 PM
I quite liked the ending that GRRM had in mind. Although the last episode was paradoxically somehow boring yet simultaneously rushed and uneventful, they didn't flesh out satisfying reasons for the show to end the way it did. And they left a lot of questions unanswered. Why didn't anyone mention that Jon Snow is the rightful heir to the throne? Did Varys not send out letters? Grey worm wants Jon punished for killing the queen, but isn't he killing someone usurping his rightful place as king?

But anyway:

-Bran is king, this seems nefarious, he isn't Bran any more he is the 3EyedRaven, created by the children of the forest. He is also omnipotent and doesn't care much for the everyday concerns of normal people. Is he up to no good? Interesting conclusion IMO.

-Jon has gone North, this is a pleasant ending and one Jon is deserving off, he doesn't want to be king, he is back in the only place we have seen him truly happy. Winter is also over as we saw plants sprouting. The Nights watch obviously has no reason to keep existing without the Walkers and good relations with the Wildlings.

-Arya exploring west is an appropriate cliffhanger for her character.