What SE Asians have the most Caucasoid/ West Eurasian admixture?

[Maguzanci]

Burmese
Thai
Laotian
Cambodian
Malaysian
Indonesian
Bruneian
Pinoy
Singaporean
East Timorese

I think it is either Burmese (border with South Asia, used to be under British India, South Asian derived ethncities in Western Burma such as Rohingya), Malaysians (Islam brought by Arab and Indian settlers, a lot of migrants from South India during British colonial period) or Indonesians (Arab and Indian settlers who introduce Islam)

What do you think?

[Pommac]

i have seen burmese people and they look like thai peopel in reality
i think pinoy

[Maguzanci]

Bumo

[Seya]

i have seen burmese people and they look like thai peopel in reality
i think pinoy

they don't look like thai..they looks like a mix of vietnamese and indians

[Maguzanci]

Bump.

[Maguzanci]

they don't look like thai..they looks like a mix of vietnamese and indians

Am from Thailand. And a lot of them can pass as Thai. This is true they do look like a mix of Viet and Indians.

But some Burmese also look like a swarthy version of chinese.

[Seya]

Am from Thailand. And a lot of them can pass as Thai. This is true they do look like a mix of Viet and Indians.

But some Burmese also look like a swarthy version of chinese.

yes, they look very diverse as there are a lot of ethnicities living in Myanmar

[Maguzanci]

yes, they look very diverse as there are a lot of ethnicities living in Myanmar

So do you think they have the most Caucasoid admixture in SE Asia?

[Seya]

So do you think they have the most Caucasoid admixture in SE Asia?

i do think so, yes. apart from the Rohingya, there are other ethnicities that look heavily caucasoid influenced. even among Karen, many of them look like 80% south asian.

[Maguzanci]

i do think so, yes. apart from the Rohingya, there are other ethnicities that look heavily caucasoid influenced. even among Karen, many of them look like 80% south asian.

Interesting. What country do you think is the second most Caucasoid admixed country in SE Asia? Malaysia?

[Seya]

Interesting. What country do you think is the second most Caucasoid admixed country in SE Asia? Malaysia?
I don’t find any other SE Asian country significantly caucasoid influienced...maybe some individuals only

[Maguzanci]

I don’t find any other SE Asian country significantly caucasoid influienced...maybe some individuals only

I see. Well, maybe not country but regions or areas of that country. Some regions of Indonesia like Aceh in North Sumatra and probably certain regions of Peninsular Malaysia also have a lot of Caucasoid influence (mostly from either Indian or Arab traders).

In the case of Malaysia, there is a lot of Indian settlers from the British colonial period, so they could also get good amount of Caucasoid influence from Indians mixing with the locals.

[Thambi]

burmese for sure. Many even have recent indian ancestry with a decent amount of baloch and south indian(which is half west eurasian).

[Maguzanci]

burmese for sure. Many even have recent indian ancestry with a decent amount of baloch and south indian(which is half west eurasian).

I think it is the proximity to India also that gives them a lot of Caucasoid ancestry?

Btw, would they get recent Indian ancestry from mixing with Rohingyas?

After Burmese, what SE Asians do you think have the most Caucasoid admixture? Malays, Indonesians?

[Thambi]

I think it is the proximity to India also that gives them a lot of Caucasoid ancestry?

Btw, would they get recent Indian ancestry from mixing with Rohingyas?

After Burmese, what SE Asians do you think have the most Caucasoid admixture? Malays, Indonesians?

yeah rohingyas could be possible but there are huge tamil and some up/bihari communities there i think as well that were taken there during the colonization era and many just stayed there.

Malays i would say. could be indian settlers and the negrito mix. Cambodians and thais are very close as well though i think.

[Pine]

I consistently get high SEA scores. Any idea why?

[ModernMaskil]

I consistently get high SEA scores. Any idea why?

Because a peasant rice trader traveled westward and fell in love with a young Jude girl.

[1R0N M4N XL]

from the studies i read.. its around 3% of philippines have some sort of indian or arabs ancestry..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No3C_7w_pIc&t=759s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsChb4I7JDY&list=PLZNMXRaEPgvJLVOVsc1ozUbz9Tvlmw0yU&index=12&t=0s

[Maguzanci]

from the studies i read.. its around 3% of philippines have some sort of indian or arabs ancestry..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No3C_7w_pIc&t=759s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsChb4I7JDY&list=PLZNMXRaEPgvJLVOVsc1ozUbz9Tvlmw0yU&index=12&t=0s

First one looks MENA/Arab admixed while the second one is half Indian half Chinese I think.

And the rest of the country has some Euro admix or are just pure Mongoloid?

[Zuh]

Filipinos are negroes even american amerindians have way more Caucasian admixture then them.

Getting back to the question I would say without a doubt Singaporeans.

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[The Lawspeaker]

Filipinos. Easily.

[Maguzanci]

Filipinos are negroes even american amerindians have way more Caucasian admixture then them.

Getting back to the question I would say without a doubt Singaporeans.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTTWOF8gfM8X4ZrrpXz2QsvuyWZjYr HKIxqhyfo9Gy6SwVNtW4E

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Singaporeans, if you don't count Indians, don't have the most Caucasoid admix. Chinese Singaporeans who are the majority of the population don't have Caucasoid admix while the Malays have some Western admix (from their ancient Indian ancestry).

First girl is originally from Thailand. She is not Singaporean.

[Maguzanci]

Filipinos. Easily.

Believe it or not, most Pinos have very little like 1-3% to zero Caucasoid/Euro admix. The Spaniards did not have much genetic impact on the Philippines as much as the religious and cultural impact on the locals.

I think it is the Burmese followed by Malay and possibly Thai (not counting the Chinese descent and admixed ones who make a very huge percentage of the country's population ) who has the most Caucasoid in the SE Asia.

[KuakoVoice]

Aceh People

https://imgur.com/a/2KIyqmh

Do they look Caucasoid admixed?

[KuakoVoice]

Filipinos. Easily.

East Timor has even more Iberian influence than the Phillipines. They still speak Portuguese in Timor,and they are literally ruled by Portuguese Mestizos to this day.A small island would have Colonist blood go much further than a big populous country like the Phillipines. Guam is similar to Timor Leste too,more Iberian influence than the Phillipines in total.

[The Lawspeaker]

East Timor has even more Iberian influence than the Phillipines. They still speak Portuguese in Timor,and they are literally ruled by Portuguese Mestizos to this day.A small island would have Colonist blood go much further than a big populous country like the Phillipines. Guam is similar to Timor Leste too,more Iberian influence than the Phillipines in total.


And we should not forget that there are between 3 to 5 million Indonesians (from all islands but mainly Java) in Indonesia, Australia, the United States and, of course, the Netherlands, who have mixed European heritage as well (Indische Nederlanders). Ambonese as well (there are quite a few of them here in the Netherlands).

[Sora]

Indonesians, I think. Because I've seen some Indonesian results and most of them were among 70%-75% Mongoloid and a lot more Caucasoid than other SE Asian results.

For example: an Indonesian(half Achehnese half Javanese):

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 62.63
2 S-Indian 17.01
3 Baloch 5.14
4 NE-Asian 5.1
5 Papuan 2.91
6 Caucasian 2.16
7 Siberian 1.94
8 NE-Euro 1.38
9 American 0.83
10 Beringian 0.75
11 Pygmy 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 thai (xing) 7.84
2 cambodian (hgdp) 11.36
3 singapore-malay (sgvp) 11.66
4 khmer-cambodian (xing) 12.78
5 iban (xing) 26.81
6 dai (hgdp) 28.39
7 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 29.42
8 kinh (1000genomes) 31.49
9 samoan (xing) 33.97
10 lahu (hgdp) 34.21
11 vietnamese (xing) 34.87
12 khasi (chaubey) 38.54
13 tongan (xing) 39.26
14 burmanese (chaubey) 48.45
15 garo (chaubey) 51.47
16 bonda (chaubey) 51.59
17 juang (chaubey) 51.7
18 great-andamanese (reich) 52.74
19 onge (reich) 52.77
20 kharia (chaubey) 58.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.1% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.9% srivastava (reich) @ 1.91
2 86.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.7% tharu (metspalu) @ 1.92
3 86.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.7% up-muslim (metspalu) @ 1.92
4 85.9% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 14.1% caribbean-indian (harappa) @ 1.93
5 86.6% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.4% lodi (reich) @ 1.95
6 86.1% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.9% ap-hyderabad (harappa) @ 1.97
7 86.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.7% andhra-pradesh (harappa) @ 2
8 86.7% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.3% hallaki (reich) @ 2
9 86.7% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.3% kol (metspalu) @ 2
10 86.6% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.4% up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) @ 2.01
11 86.4% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.6% kanjar (metspalu) @ 2.01
12 85.9% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 14.1% bihari (harappa) @ 2.03
13 86.8% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.2% kurumba (metspalu) @ 2.05
14 86.5% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.5% tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste (metspalu) @ 2.06
15 86.4% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.6% karnataka (harappa) @ 2.06
16 86.6% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.4% dusadh (metspalu) @ 2.06
17 86.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.7% sinhalese (harappa) @ 2.07
18 86.8% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.2% velama (reich) @ 2.08
19 86.8% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.2% piramalai-kallar (metspalu) @ 2.09
20 86.8% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.2% naidu (reich) @ 2.1

Khmer Cambodian:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 62.32
2 NE-Asian 18.14
3 S-Indian 11.87
4 Baloch 2.35
5 Papuan 1.37
6 Beringian 1.12
7 Siberian 0.99
8 NE-Euro 0.84
9 American 0.48
10 Mediterranean 0.45
11 Pygmy 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 khmer-cambodian (xing) 3.19
2 thai (xing) 7
3 cambodian (hgdp) 11.86
4 singapore-malay (sgvp) 15.04
5 dai (hgdp) 16.59
6 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 16.97
7 kinh (1000genomes) 18.1
8 lahu (hgdp) 21.26
9 vietnamese (xing) 21.61
10 iban (xing) 30
11 khasi (chaubey) 36.64
12 samoan (xing) 37.26
13 burmanese (chaubey) 40.59
14 tongan (xing) 42.36
15 garo (chaubey) 43.57
16 miao (hgdp) 48.28
17 singapore-chinese (sgvp) 50.27
18 she (hgdp) 52.53
19 chinese (xing) 52.68
20 han-chinese-south (1000genomes) 53.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.3% thai (xing) + 26.7% kinh (1000genomes) @ 2.56
2 90.8% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.2% kinh (1000genomes) @ 2.62
3 92.4% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 7.6% vietnamese (xing) @ 2.66
4 90.8% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.2% dai-chinese (1000genomes) @ 2.7
5 91.1% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 8.9% dai (hgdp) @ 2.75
6 72.2% thai (xing) + 27.8% dai-chinese (1000genomes) @ 2.77
7 93.1% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 6.9% lahu (hgdp) @ 2.78
8 97.2% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 2.8% singapore-chinese (sgvp) @ 2.85
9 97.1% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 2.9% miao (hgdp) @ 2.85
10 97.4% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 2.6% she (hgdp) @ 2.85
11 97.5% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 2.5% han-chinese-south (1000genomes) @ 2.86
12 98.3% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 1.7% brahui (hgdp) @ 2.86
13 97.4% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 2.6% chinese (xing) @ 2.87
14 97.5% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 2.5% han (hgdp) @ 2.87
15 97.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 2.3% chinese-american (hapmap) @ 2.88
16 97.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 2.3% tujia (hgdp) @ 2.89
17 98.3% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 1.7% makrani (hgdp) @ 2.9
18 98.4% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 1.6% balochi (hgdp) @ 2.91
19 98.2% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 1.8% chinese-beijing (1000genomes) @ 2.93
20 98.8% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 1.2% japanese (1000genomes) @ 2.95

a Malay from Malaysia:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 60.71
2 NE-Asian 15.31
3 S-Indian 11.82
4 Papuan 5.17
5 Siberian 3.01
6 Baloch 2.31
7 Mediterranean 0.6
8 SW-Asian 0.46
9 NE-Euro 0.24
10 American 0.14
11 Beringian 0.13
12 E-African 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 khmer-cambodian (xing) 5.86
2 thai (xing) 5.96
3 cambodian (hgdp) 11.93
4 singapore-malay (sgvp) 13.93
5 dai (hgdp) 19.88
6 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 20.31
7 kinh (1000genomes) 21.22
8 lahu (hgdp) 23.56
9 vietnamese (xing) 24.3
10 iban (xing) 29.91
11 samoan (xing) 32.86
12 khasi (chaubey) 35.89
13 tongan (xing) 37.65
14 burmanese (chaubey) 40.97
15 garo (chaubey) 44.02
16 miao (hgdp) 50.14
17 singapore-chinese (sgvp) 52.17
18 onge (reich) 53.75
19 great-andamanese (reich) 53.94
20 she (hgdp) 54.4

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 25% burmanese (chaubey) @ 2.84
2 94.9% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 5.1% melanesian (hgdp) @ 2.85
3 96.2% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 3.8% papuan (hgdp) @ 2.98
4 76.4% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 23.6% garo (chaubey) @ 3.16
5 95.1% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 4.9% aus (reich) @ 3.21
6 83.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 16.7% nepalese-b (xing) @ 3.24
7 88.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 11.3% tongan (xing) @ 3.39
8 86.5% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.5% nysha (reich) @ 3.75
9 87.9% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 12.1% samoan (xing) @ 3.77
10 86.1% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.9% tibet (simonson) @ 3.79
11 86.6% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.4% aonaga (reich) @ 3.94
12 86.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.7% naga (metspalu) @ 3.98
13 84.9% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 15.1% tu (hgdp) @ 4.08
14 69.5% iban (xing) + 30.5% nepalese-b (xing) @ 4.11
15 84.1% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 15.9% naxi (hgdp) @ 4.35
16 84% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 16% yi (hgdp) @ 4.46
17 87.8% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.2% japanese (xing) @ 4.55
18 85.9% cambodian (hgdp) + 14.1% nepalese-b (xing) @ 4.57
19 86.2% thai (xing) + 13.8% vietnamese (xing) @ 4.57
20 96.1% thai (xing) + 3.9% melanesian (hgdp) @ 4.59

Indonesian(Achehnese):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 62.44
2 S-Indian 15.73
3 Papuan 4.11
4 NE-Asian 3.42
5 Baloch 3.23
6 Caucasian 2.7
7 Siberian 2.49
8 NE-Euro 2.31
9 Mediterranean 1.09
10 American 1.07
11 Beringian 0.78
12 SW-Asian 0.41
13 San 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 thai (xing) 9
2 singapore-malay (sgvp) 11.23
3 cambodian (hgdp) 11.59
4 khmer-cambodian (xing) 13.91
5 iban (xing) 26.22
6 dai (hgdp) 29.19
7 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 30.28
8 samoan (xing) 32
9 kinh (1000genomes) 32.51
10 lahu (hgdp) 35.19
11 vietnamese (xing) 35.85
12 tongan (xing) 37.34
13 khasi (chaubey) 39.55
14 burmanese (chaubey) 49.51
15 bonda (chaubey) 52.28
16 juang (chaubey) 52.37
17 garo (chaubey) 52.54
18 onge (reich) 53.15
19 great-andamanese (reich) 53.18
20 kharia (chaubey) 58.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.7% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.3% tharu (reich) @ 3.52
2 86.8% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.2% sri-lankan (harappa) @ 3.53
3 87% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13% caribbean-indian (harappa) @ 3.55
4 87.1% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.9% srivastava (reich) @ 3.57
5 86.6% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.4% cochin-jew (behar) @ 3.63
6 87.1% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.9% vaish (reich) @ 3.69
7 86.7% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.3% bihari-muslim (harappa) @ 3.69
8 87.2% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.8% ap-hyderabad (harappa) @ 3.7
9 87% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13% bihari (harappa) @ 3.7
10 86.6% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.4% bengali-brahmin (harappa) @ 3.7
11 87% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13% up (harappa) @ 3.73
12 87% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) @ 3.74
13 87.4% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.6% up-muslim (metspalu) @ 3.76
14 87% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13% karnataka-brahmin (harappa) @ 3.79
15 86.6% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.4% bene-israel-jew (behar) @ 3.82
16 87.4% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.6% andhra-pradesh (harappa) @ 3.82
17 87.4% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.6% tharu (metspalu) @ 3.82
18 87.2% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.8% maharashtrian (harappa) @ 3.83
19 87.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.7% ap-brahmin (xing) @ 3.84
20 87.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.7% tamil (harappa) @ 3.84

Filipino:

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 57.83
2 NE-Asian 28.95
3 Papuan 3.4
4 Baloch 2.82
5 S-Indian 2.78
6 NE-Euro 1.33
7 Mediterranean 0.99
8 E-African 0.81
9 SW-Asian 0.73
10 Pygmy 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 kinh (1000genomes) 7.98
2 vietnamese (xing) 9.65
3 lahu (hgdp) 9.98
4 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 11.84
5 dai (hgdp) 13.42
6 khmer-cambodian (xing) 16.1
7 thai (xing) 19.78
8 cambodian (hgdp) 23.76
9 singapore-malay (sgvp) 26.46
10 burmanese (chaubey) 34.46
11 miao (hgdp) 36.52
12 garo (chaubey) 37.77
13 khasi (chaubey) 38
14 singapore-chinese (sgvp) 38.53
15 iban (xing) 39.31
16 she (hgdp) 40.82
17 samoan (xing) 40.89
18 chinese (xing) 41.07
19 han-chinese-south (1000genomes) 42.16
20 han (hgdp) 42.52

Vietnamese(Kinh):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 60.23
2 NE-Asian 35.73
3 S-Indian 2.42
4 Siberian 0.75
5 Caucasian 0.32
6 SW-Asian 0.25
7 Papuan 0.21
8 Baloch 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 kinh (1000genomes) 1.8
2 vietnamese (xing) 3.42
3 lahu (hgdp) 5.74
4 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 9.83
5 dai (hgdp) 12.35
6 khmer-cambodian (xing) 20.48
7 thai (xing) 25.13
8 cambodian (hgdp) 27.92
9 singapore-malay (sgvp) 31.09
10 miao (hgdp) 32.53
11 singapore-chinese (sgvp) 34.5
12 burmanese (chaubey) 34.78
13 she (hgdp) 36.82
14 chinese (xing) 37.19
15 garo (chaubey) 37.53
16 han-chinese-south (1000genomes) 38.25
17 han (hgdp) 38.67
18 khasi (chaubey) 41.32
19 chinese-american (hapmap) 42.27
20 iban (xing) 42.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.7% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.3% nysha (reich) @ 0.61
2 97.7% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.3% tibet (simonson) @ 0.62
3 97.1% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.9% naxi (hgdp) @ 0.62
4 97.7% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.3% aonaga (reich) @ 0.63
5 97.7% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.3% naga (metspalu) @ 0.63
6 97% kinh (1000genomes) + 3% yi (hgdp) @ 0.64
7 97.3% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.7% tu (hgdp) @ 0.64
8 97.3% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.7% japanese (hgdp) @ 0.68
9 97.3% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.7% han-nchina (hgdp) @ 0.68
10 97.1% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.9% chinese-beijing (1000genomes) @ 0.72
11 98.1% kinh (1000genomes) + 1.9% japanese (1000genomes) @ 0.75
12 97.4% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.6% xibo (hgdp) @ 0.75
13 96.3% kinh (1000genomes) + 3.7% tujia (hgdp) @ 0.76
14 95.8% kinh (1000genomes) + 4.2% chinese (xing) @ 0.77
15 96.3% kinh (1000genomes) + 3.7% chinese-american (hapmap) @ 0.77
16 96% kinh (1000genomes) + 4% han (hgdp) @ 0.78
17 95.2% kinh (1000genomes) + 4.8% miao (hgdp) @ 0.79
18 95.9% kinh (1000genomes) + 4.1% han-chinese-south (1000genomes) @ 0.79
19 95.5% kinh (1000genomes) + 4.5% singapore-chinese (sgvp) @ 0.8
20 95.8% kinh (1000genomes) + 4.2% she (hgdp) @ 0.8

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Thailand and Phillipines have some types that look half way

Phillipines because of spanish

Thailand its a mistery

[KirillMazur]

Filipinos are known for having the largest breast size on average in Southeast Asia. I think the Caucasoid admixture is “to blame” for this:thumb001:.

[The Lawspeaker]

Filipinos are known for having the largest breast size on average in Southeast Asia. I think the Caucasoid admixture is “to blame” for this:thumb001:.

In the case of my fiancee: she is as well-shaped in that department as your average European woman. But not all of them though.. most women there seem to have a much smaller chest.

[KirillMazur]

In the case of my fiancee: she is as well-shaped in that department as your average European woman. But not all of them though.. most women there seem to have a much smaller chest.
This means that the remaining natives of Southeast Asia have even less developed sexual dimorphism - everything is simple:).

[GaneshD'Souza]

East Timor has even more Iberian influence than the Phillipines. They still speak Portuguese in Timor,and they are literally ruled by Portuguese Mestizos to this day.A small island would have Colonist blood go much further than a big populous country like the Phillipines. Guam is similar to Timor Leste too,more Iberian influence than the Phillipines in total.

East Timor just chose Portuguese as an official language. Most people didn't even speak it. I saw a documentary that interviewed a teacher. She had to teach Science in Portuguese even though she wasn't fluent and even though most of the students didn't understand. And most people weren't even Catholic until Indonesia said that everyone has to choose among the approved religions. So in reality, it's not much more Iberian-influenced than the Philippines.

Guam is what happens when most of the native population dies out so any Mexicans who come in can have a big impact on the genetics. On average, Chamorros (natives of Guam) are:
43% (+/- 4%) Northeast Asian
29% (+/- 3%) Southeast Asian
4% (+/- 1.5%) Oceania
10% (+/- 3.5%) Mediterranean
7% (+/- 2.5%) Northern European
3% (+/- 1%) Southwestern Asian
3% (+/- 1.5%) Native American

So basically 16% Mexican on average. And the 7% Northern European could also be from Spain, but a lot of Chamorros are also mixed with American. Americans have been there for since 1898 and it's still an American territory. Most half white half Chamorros probably just identify as Chamorros. I've met a lot of Chamorros with American surnames.

https://www.guampedia.com/chamorro-dna-studies-and-the-origin-of-the-chamorro-people/

The same study found that Filipinos are:

56% (+/- 1%) Northeast Asian
36% (+/- 1%) Southeast Asian
5% (+/- 1%) Oceania
1.5% (+/- 1.5%) Mediterranean

So only a little bit Spanish on average.

But keep in mind that Chamorros population, including half Chamorros is worldwide only a little over 200,000. There are easily that many Filipinos in the world who have as much, if not more European blood than Chamorros. Probably Manila alone has that many Indo-mestizos.

Here's what Chamorros typically look like btw.
https://i.ibb.co/F5MbN1c/28872039-1671901062887538-2176890485916827648-o.jpg
All of them (except dude in blue) would still pass in the Philippines and not be considered mestizos to us. So that's further proof that 20% European admixture isn't going to make someone look mixed.

[KuakoVoice]

East Timor just chose Portuguese as an official language. Most people didn't even speak it. I saw a documentary that interviewed a teacher. She had to teach Science in Portuguese even though she wasn't fluent and even though most of the students didn't understand. And most people weren't even Catholic until Indonesia said that everyone has to choose among the approved religions. So in reality, it's not much more Iberian-influenced than the Philippines.

Guam is what happens when most of the native population dies out so any Mexicans who come in can have a big impact on the genetics. On average, Chamorros (natives of Guam) are:
43% (+/- 4%) Northeast Asian
29% (+/- 3%) Southeast Asian
4% (+/- 1.5%) Oceania
10% (+/- 3.5%) Mediterranean
7% (+/- 2.5%) Northern European
3% (+/- 1%) Southwestern Asian
3% (+/- 1.5%) Native American

So basically 16% Mexican on average. And the 7% Northern European could also be from Spain, but a lot of Chamorros are also mixed with American. Americans have been there for since 1898 and it's still an American territory. Most half white half Chamorros probably just identify as Chamorros. I've met a lot of Chamorros with American surnames.

https://www.guampedia.com/chamorro-dna-studies-and-the-origin-of-the-chamorro-people/

The same study found that Filipinos are:

56% (+/- 1%) Northeast Asian
36% (+/- 1%) Southeast Asian
5% (+/- 1%) Oceania
1.5% (+/- 1.5%) Mediterranean

So only a little bit Spanish on average.

But keep in mind that Chamorros population, including half Chamorros is worldwide only a little over 200,000. There are easily that many Filipinos in the world who have as much, if not more European blood than Chamorros. Probably Manila alone has that many Indo-mestizos.

Here's what Chamorros typically look like btw.
https://i.ibb.co/F5MbN1c/28872039-1671901062887538-2176890485916827648-o.jpg
All of them (except dude in blue) would still pass in the Philippines and not be considered mestizos to us. So that's further proof that 20% European admixture isn't going to make someone look mixed.

East Timor has been Catholic since the Portugese took over in 1769.Not when "Indonesia" made them choose,since Indonesia didnt even exist until after World War 2.

Indonesia only ruled East Timor for 20 years and we all know how that worked out for them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Timor_genocide

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_in_East_Timor

[Synapsid]

Aceh People

https://imgur.com/a/2KIyqmh

Do they look Caucasoid admixed?

They are the most Religious Fanatics of all Malays right?

[Synapsid]

Indonesians, I think. Because I've seen some Indonesian results and most of them were among 70%-75% Mongoloid and a lot more Caucasoid than other SE Asian results.

For example: an Indonesian(half Achehnese half Javanese):

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 62.63
2 S-Indian 17.01
3 Baloch 5.14
4 NE-Asian 5.1
5 Papuan 2.91
6 Caucasian 2.16
7 Siberian 1.94
8 NE-Euro 1.38
9 American 0.83
10 Beringian 0.75
11 Pygmy 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 thai (xing) 7.84
2 cambodian (hgdp) 11.36
3 singapore-malay (sgvp) 11.66
4 khmer-cambodian (xing) 12.78
5 iban (xing) 26.81
6 dai (hgdp) 28.39
7 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 29.42
8 kinh (1000genomes) 31.49
9 samoan (xing) 33.97
10 lahu (hgdp) 34.21
11 vietnamese (xing) 34.87
12 khasi (chaubey) 38.54
13 tongan (xing) 39.26
14 burmanese (chaubey) 48.45
15 garo (chaubey) 51.47
16 bonda (chaubey) 51.59
17 juang (chaubey) 51.7
18 great-andamanese (reich) 52.74
19 onge (reich) 52.77
20 kharia (chaubey) 58.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.1% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.9% srivastava (reich) @ 1.91
2 86.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.7% tharu (metspalu) @ 1.92
3 86.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.7% up-muslim (metspalu) @ 1.92
4 85.9% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 14.1% caribbean-indian (harappa) @ 1.93
5 86.6% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.4% lodi (reich) @ 1.95
6 86.1% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.9% ap-hyderabad (harappa) @ 1.97
7 86.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.7% andhra-pradesh (harappa) @ 2
8 86.7% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.3% hallaki (reich) @ 2
9 86.7% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.3% kol (metspalu) @ 2
10 86.6% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.4% up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) @ 2.01
11 86.4% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.6% kanjar (metspalu) @ 2.01
12 85.9% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 14.1% bihari (harappa) @ 2.03
13 86.8% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.2% kurumba (metspalu) @ 2.05
14 86.5% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.5% tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste (metspalu) @ 2.06
15 86.4% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.6% karnataka (harappa) @ 2.06
16 86.6% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.4% dusadh (metspalu) @ 2.06
17 86.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.7% sinhalese (harappa) @ 2.07
18 86.8% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.2% velama (reich) @ 2.08
19 86.8% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.2% piramalai-kallar (metspalu) @ 2.09
20 86.8% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.2% naidu (reich) @ 2.1

Khmer Cambodian:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 62.32
2 NE-Asian 18.14
3 S-Indian 11.87
4 Baloch 2.35
5 Papuan 1.37
6 Beringian 1.12
7 Siberian 0.99
8 NE-Euro 0.84
9 American 0.48
10 Mediterranean 0.45
11 Pygmy 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 khmer-cambodian (xing) 3.19
2 thai (xing) 7
3 cambodian (hgdp) 11.86
4 singapore-malay (sgvp) 15.04
5 dai (hgdp) 16.59
6 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 16.97
7 kinh (1000genomes) 18.1
8 lahu (hgdp) 21.26
9 vietnamese (xing) 21.61
10 iban (xing) 30
11 khasi (chaubey) 36.64
12 samoan (xing) 37.26
13 burmanese (chaubey) 40.59
14 tongan (xing) 42.36
15 garo (chaubey) 43.57
16 miao (hgdp) 48.28
17 singapore-chinese (sgvp) 50.27
18 she (hgdp) 52.53
19 chinese (xing) 52.68
20 han-chinese-south (1000genomes) 53.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.3% thai (xing) + 26.7% kinh (1000genomes) @ 2.56
2 90.8% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.2% kinh (1000genomes) @ 2.62
3 92.4% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 7.6% vietnamese (xing) @ 2.66
4 90.8% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 9.2% dai-chinese (1000genomes) @ 2.7
5 91.1% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 8.9% dai (hgdp) @ 2.75
6 72.2% thai (xing) + 27.8% dai-chinese (1000genomes) @ 2.77
7 93.1% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 6.9% lahu (hgdp) @ 2.78
8 97.2% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 2.8% singapore-chinese (sgvp) @ 2.85
9 97.1% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 2.9% miao (hgdp) @ 2.85
10 97.4% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 2.6% she (hgdp) @ 2.85
11 97.5% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 2.5% han-chinese-south (1000genomes) @ 2.86
12 98.3% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 1.7% brahui (hgdp) @ 2.86
13 97.4% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 2.6% chinese (xing) @ 2.87
14 97.5% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 2.5% han (hgdp) @ 2.87
15 97.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 2.3% chinese-american (hapmap) @ 2.88
16 97.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 2.3% tujia (hgdp) @ 2.89
17 98.3% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 1.7% makrani (hgdp) @ 2.9
18 98.4% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 1.6% balochi (hgdp) @ 2.91
19 98.2% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 1.8% chinese-beijing (1000genomes) @ 2.93
20 98.8% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 1.2% japanese (1000genomes) @ 2.95

a Malay from Malaysia:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 60.71
2 NE-Asian 15.31
3 S-Indian 11.82
4 Papuan 5.17
5 Siberian 3.01
6 Baloch 2.31
7 Mediterranean 0.6
8 SW-Asian 0.46
9 NE-Euro 0.24
10 American 0.14
11 Beringian 0.13
12 E-African 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 khmer-cambodian (xing) 5.86
2 thai (xing) 5.96
3 cambodian (hgdp) 11.93
4 singapore-malay (sgvp) 13.93
5 dai (hgdp) 19.88
6 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 20.31
7 kinh (1000genomes) 21.22
8 lahu (hgdp) 23.56
9 vietnamese (xing) 24.3
10 iban (xing) 29.91
11 samoan (xing) 32.86
12 khasi (chaubey) 35.89
13 tongan (xing) 37.65
14 burmanese (chaubey) 40.97
15 garo (chaubey) 44.02
16 miao (hgdp) 50.14
17 singapore-chinese (sgvp) 52.17
18 onge (reich) 53.75
19 great-andamanese (reich) 53.94
20 she (hgdp) 54.4

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 25% burmanese (chaubey) @ 2.84
2 94.9% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 5.1% melanesian (hgdp) @ 2.85
3 96.2% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 3.8% papuan (hgdp) @ 2.98
4 76.4% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 23.6% garo (chaubey) @ 3.16
5 95.1% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 4.9% aus (reich) @ 3.21
6 83.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 16.7% nepalese-b (xing) @ 3.24
7 88.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 11.3% tongan (xing) @ 3.39
8 86.5% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.5% nysha (reich) @ 3.75
9 87.9% khmer-cambodian (xing) + 12.1% samoan (xing) @ 3.77
10 86.1% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.9% tibet (simonson) @ 3.79
11 86.6% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.4% aonaga (reich) @ 3.94
12 86.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.7% naga (metspalu) @ 3.98
13 84.9% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 15.1% tu (hgdp) @ 4.08
14 69.5% iban (xing) + 30.5% nepalese-b (xing) @ 4.11
15 84.1% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 15.9% naxi (hgdp) @ 4.35
16 84% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 16% yi (hgdp) @ 4.46
17 87.8% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.2% japanese (xing) @ 4.55
18 85.9% cambodian (hgdp) + 14.1% nepalese-b (xing) @ 4.57
19 86.2% thai (xing) + 13.8% vietnamese (xing) @ 4.57
20 96.1% thai (xing) + 3.9% melanesian (hgdp) @ 4.59

Indonesian(Achehnese):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 62.44
2 S-Indian 15.73
3 Papuan 4.11
4 NE-Asian 3.42
5 Baloch 3.23
6 Caucasian 2.7
7 Siberian 2.49
8 NE-Euro 2.31
9 Mediterranean 1.09
10 American 1.07
11 Beringian 0.78
12 SW-Asian 0.41
13 San 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 thai (xing) 9
2 singapore-malay (sgvp) 11.23
3 cambodian (hgdp) 11.59
4 khmer-cambodian (xing) 13.91
5 iban (xing) 26.22
6 dai (hgdp) 29.19
7 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 30.28
8 samoan (xing) 32
9 kinh (1000genomes) 32.51
10 lahu (hgdp) 35.19
11 vietnamese (xing) 35.85
12 tongan (xing) 37.34
13 khasi (chaubey) 39.55
14 burmanese (chaubey) 49.51
15 bonda (chaubey) 52.28
16 juang (chaubey) 52.37
17 garo (chaubey) 52.54
18 onge (reich) 53.15
19 great-andamanese (reich) 53.18
20 kharia (chaubey) 58.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.7% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.3% tharu (reich) @ 3.52
2 86.8% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.2% sri-lankan (harappa) @ 3.53
3 87% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13% caribbean-indian (harappa) @ 3.55
4 87.1% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.9% srivastava (reich) @ 3.57
5 86.6% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.4% cochin-jew (behar) @ 3.63
6 87.1% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.9% vaish (reich) @ 3.69
7 86.7% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.3% bihari-muslim (harappa) @ 3.69
8 87.2% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.8% ap-hyderabad (harappa) @ 3.7
9 87% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13% bihari (harappa) @ 3.7
10 86.6% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.4% bengali-brahmin (harappa) @ 3.7
11 87% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13% up (harappa) @ 3.73
12 87% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) @ 3.74
13 87.4% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.6% up-muslim (metspalu) @ 3.76
14 87% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13% karnataka-brahmin (harappa) @ 3.79
15 86.6% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 13.4% bene-israel-jew (behar) @ 3.82
16 87.4% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.6% andhra-pradesh (harappa) @ 3.82
17 87.4% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.6% tharu (metspalu) @ 3.82
18 87.2% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.8% maharashtrian (harappa) @ 3.83
19 87.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.7% ap-brahmin (xing) @ 3.84
20 87.3% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 12.7% tamil (harappa) @ 3.84

Filipino:

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 57.83
2 NE-Asian 28.95
3 Papuan 3.4
4 Baloch 2.82
5 S-Indian 2.78
6 NE-Euro 1.33
7 Mediterranean 0.99
8 E-African 0.81
9 SW-Asian 0.73
10 Pygmy 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 kinh (1000genomes) 7.98
2 vietnamese (xing) 9.65
3 lahu (hgdp) 9.98
4 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 11.84
5 dai (hgdp) 13.42
6 khmer-cambodian (xing) 16.1
7 thai (xing) 19.78
8 cambodian (hgdp) 23.76
9 singapore-malay (sgvp) 26.46
10 burmanese (chaubey) 34.46
11 miao (hgdp) 36.52
12 garo (chaubey) 37.77
13 khasi (chaubey) 38
14 singapore-chinese (sgvp) 38.53
15 iban (xing) 39.31
16 she (hgdp) 40.82
17 samoan (xing) 40.89
18 chinese (xing) 41.07
19 han-chinese-south (1000genomes) 42.16
20 han (hgdp) 42.52

Vietnamese(Kinh):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SE-Asian 60.23
2 NE-Asian 35.73
3 S-Indian 2.42
4 Siberian 0.75
5 Caucasian 0.32
6 SW-Asian 0.25
7 Papuan 0.21
8 Baloch 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 kinh (1000genomes) 1.8
2 vietnamese (xing) 3.42
3 lahu (hgdp) 5.74
4 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 9.83
5 dai (hgdp) 12.35
6 khmer-cambodian (xing) 20.48
7 thai (xing) 25.13
8 cambodian (hgdp) 27.92
9 singapore-malay (sgvp) 31.09
10 miao (hgdp) 32.53
11 singapore-chinese (sgvp) 34.5
12 burmanese (chaubey) 34.78
13 she (hgdp) 36.82
14 chinese (xing) 37.19
15 garo (chaubey) 37.53
16 han-chinese-south (1000genomes) 38.25
17 han (hgdp) 38.67
18 khasi (chaubey) 41.32
19 chinese-american (hapmap) 42.27
20 iban (xing) 42.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.7% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.3% nysha (reich) @ 0.61
2 97.7% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.3% tibet (simonson) @ 0.62
3 97.1% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.9% naxi (hgdp) @ 0.62
4 97.7% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.3% aonaga (reich) @ 0.63
5 97.7% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.3% naga (metspalu) @ 0.63
6 97% kinh (1000genomes) + 3% yi (hgdp) @ 0.64
7 97.3% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.7% tu (hgdp) @ 0.64
8 97.3% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.7% japanese (hgdp) @ 0.68
9 97.3% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.7% han-nchina (hgdp) @ 0.68
10 97.1% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.9% chinese-beijing (1000genomes) @ 0.72
11 98.1% kinh (1000genomes) + 1.9% japanese (1000genomes) @ 0.75
12 97.4% kinh (1000genomes) + 2.6% xibo (hgdp) @ 0.75
13 96.3% kinh (1000genomes) + 3.7% tujia (hgdp) @ 0.76
14 95.8% kinh (1000genomes) + 4.2% chinese (xing) @ 0.77
15 96.3% kinh (1000genomes) + 3.7% chinese-american (hapmap) @ 0.77
16 96% kinh (1000genomes) + 4% han (hgdp) @ 0.78
17 95.2% kinh (1000genomes) + 4.8% miao (hgdp) @ 0.79
18 95.9% kinh (1000genomes) + 4.1% han-chinese-south (1000genomes) @ 0.79
19 95.5% kinh (1000genomes) + 4.5% singapore-chinese (sgvp) @ 0.8
20 95.8% kinh (1000genomes) + 4.2% she (hgdp) @ 0.8

That SE Asian and South Indian has ASSI/Australasian/Onge-like stuff in it. Something you don't find in pure East Asians or West Asians

[Sora]

That SE Asian and South Indian has ASSI/Australasian/Onge-like stuff in it. Something you don't find in pure East Asians or West Asians

I guess SE Asian is pure Mongoloid and South Indian is pure ASI but not Onge-like. Also Indian admixture in SE Asians are South Indian-like rather than Northern one, it's probably due to Chola dynasty which is a Tamil dynasty in today's Southern India.


They are the most Religious Fanatics of all Malays right?

Yes, they're. They have connections with Ottoman Empire also, Ottomans helped them a lot.

Also they don't look like that. The ones in the photo look Oceanian-admixed.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Acehnese_girls%3B_2011.jpg

https://joshuaproject.net/assets/media/profiles/photos/p10144.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-snrJMqnbrHA/Ub_sEMopQYI/AAAAAAAAAFk/b_JRk1J_pk0/s1600/Aceh06.jpg

https://www.aboveusonlyskies.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/WHY-YOU-SHOULDNT-HESITATE-TO-VISIT-BANDA-ACEH..jpg

Also I know an Achehnese guy from Indonesia who's married to a Kurdish woman from Turkey and he looks like the ones in the above pictures

[KuakoVoice]

I guess SE Asian is pure Mongoloid and South Indian is pure ASI but not Onge-like. Also Indian admixture in SE Asians are South Indian-like rather than Northern one, it's probably due to Chola dynasty which is a Tamil dynasty in today's Southern India.



Yes, they're. They have connections with Ottoman Empire also, Ottomans helped them a lot.

Also they don't look like that. The ones in the photo look Oceanian-admixed.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Acehnese_girls%3B_2011.jpg

https://joshuaproject.net/assets/media/profiles/photos/p10144.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-snrJMqnbrHA/Ub_sEMopQYI/AAAAAAAAAFk/b_JRk1J_pk0/s1600/Aceh06.jpg

https://www.aboveusonlyskies.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/WHY-YOU-SHOULDNT-HESITATE-TO-VISIT-BANDA-ACEH..jpg

Also I know an Achehnese guy from Indonesia who's married to a Kurdish woman from Turkey and he looks like the ones in the above pictures

The ones in my photo are unlikely to be Oceanian admixed but rather Indian or Arab admixed considering the history of Aceh.And Acehnese can look like both of our photos,you know one Acehnese,I have actually been to Indonesia.Oceanian admix is really only heavily present east of Sulawesi.

[KuakoVoice]

I guess SE Asian is pure Mongoloid and South Indian is pure ASI but not Onge-like. Also Indian admixture in SE Asians are South Indian-like rather than Northern one, it's probably due to Chola dynasty which is a Tamil dynasty in today's Southern India.



Yes, they're. They have connections with Ottoman Empire also, Ottomans helped them a lot.

Also they don't look like that. The ones in the photo look Oceanian-admixed.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Acehnese_girls%3B_2011.jpg

https://joshuaproject.net/assets/media/profiles/photos/p10144.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-snrJMqnbrHA/Ub_sEMopQYI/AAAAAAAAAFk/b_JRk1J_pk0/s1600/Aceh06.jpg

https://www.aboveusonlyskies.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/WHY-YOU-SHOULDNT-HESITATE-TO-VISIT-BANDA-ACEH..jpg

Also I know an Achehnese guy from Indonesia who's married to a Kurdish woman from Turkey and he looks like the ones in the above pictures

The ones in my photo are unlikely to be Oceanian admixed but rather Indian or Arab admixed considering the history of Aceh.And Acehnese can look like both of our photos,you know one Acehnese,I have actually been to Indonesia.Oceanian admix is really only heavily present east of Sulawesi.

https://imgur.com/a/VNyHoBN

[KuakoVoice]

They are the most Religious Fanatics of all Malays right?

Yes they are,they have special Autonomy so they live under Sharia Law.They even fought for Independence before and it was almost as intense as West Papua.

[Synapsid]

Yes they are,they have special Autonomy so they live under Sharia Law.They even fought for Independence before and it was almost as intense as West Papua.

What do you think of them? Bad or Good? I think they are bat shit crazy. The news that comes out of there is stories of Women being canned for holding hands with a Man

[Maguzanci]

East Timor has been Catholic since the Portugese took over in 1769.Not when "Indonesia" made them choose,since Indonesia didnt even exist until after World War 2.

Indonesia only ruled East Timor for 20 years and we all know how that worked out for them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Timor_genocide

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_in_East_Timor

I hope many of them are still animists and practice their traditional religion. It would be much cooler than catholicism imo.

[KuakoVoice]

What do you think of them? Bad or Good? I think they are bat shit crazy. The news that comes out of there is stories of Women being canned for holding hands with a Man

I support them in the quest for Independence as I understand as a Moluccan,but to me it's kind of funny how they literally want to fight for Independence just to live under Sharia Law 😂.Meanwhile West Papua and East Timor fought for Independence to retain their distinct Ethnic and Cultural Identities.

[KuakoVoice]

I hope many of them are still animists and practice their traditional religion. It would be much cooler than catholicism imo.

Oh trust me,Eastern Indonesia and Timor Lestes' "Christianity" still has many of our Indigineous Animists beliefs such as Black Magic and Sorcery.In some islands near East Timor like Sumba many people still are just straight Animists.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y_h4T3FmgQ0&t=515s

[Synapsid]

I hope many of them are still animists and practice their traditional religion. It would be much cooler than catholicism imo.

Do you think East Eurasians should not follow Abrahamic religions in General? To be honest, I cringe at catholic Amerindians and uber fanatical malays or 'born again' Chinese. They are following something alien to their racial traditions.

[Maguzanci]

Oh trust me,Eastern Indonesia and Timor Lestes' "Christianity" still has many of our Indigineous Animists beliefs such as Black Magic and Sorcery.In some islands near East Timor like Sumba many people still are just straight Animists.

Its good that your people still preserve many animist beliefs unlike other Pacific Islanders like Micronesians and Polys who their indigenous beliefs seem to be almost wiped out from Christianity. Even Papua New Guinea seems to have been heavily converted to Christianity which to me is a big cultural tragedy.

Would be cool if Timor Leste and Eastern Indonesia can revive its precolonial religion in full form.


Yes I heard a very large percentage of Sumbanese are Animists who believe in the Marapu religion and that they are "Christians" only in ID cards lol.

[Synapsid]

Oh trust me,Eastern Indonesia and Timor Lestes' "Christianity" still has many of our Indigineous Animists beliefs such as Black Magic and Sorcery.In some islands near East Timor like Sumba many people still are just straight Animists.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y_h4T3FmgQ0&t=515s

I saw something similar in the Yucatan, Mayan incense and rituals.

[Sora]

The ones in my photo are unlikely to be Oceanian admixed but rather Indian or Arab admixed considering the history of Aceh.And Acehnese can look like both of our photos,you know one Acehnese,I have actually been to Indonesia.Oceanian admix is really only heavily present east of Sulawesi.

https://imgur.com/a/VNyHoBN

Intersting. I've written "Achehnese" at Google search and most Achehnese looked typical SE Asian :confused:

[Maguzanci]

Do you think East Eurasians should not follow Abrahamic religions in General? To be honest, I cringe at catholic Amerindians and uber fanatical malays or 'born again' Chinese. They are following something alien to their racial traditions.

Well Im not sure. I don't think race or genetics should factor in whether one adhere to Abrahamic religions or not. I think it would be cool if Amerindians still practice their traditional religions without any Catholic interference. But Amerindians also have significant Western Eurasian admixture, so its not as strange I think. Aren't most Chinese still non-believers?

Tbh, I feel pretty sorrow when most of the world indigenous groups whether Africans, Australoids, Natives, etc. lose their indigenous religion to mainstream worldwide beliefs. Its like a permannet loss of cultural heritage and identity that might not be able to be revived back again.

[Synapsid]

Well Im not sure. I don't think race or genetics should factor in whether one adhere to Abrahamic religions or not. I think it would be cool if Amerindians still practice their traditional religions without any Catholic interference. But Amerindians also have significant Western Eurasian admixture, so its not as strange I think. Aren't most Chinese still non-believers?

Western Eurasian in the sense of Saami or ice hunter hunters, not basal rich Meds or Levant which is where Catholicism comes from. ANE looked nothing like an Italian. Most Chinese i met are irreligious but there some protestant fanatics, it looks weird to me. Btw Are'nt you ethnic 华夏?

[KuakoVoice]

Its good that your people still preserve many animist beliefs unlike other Pacific Islanders like Micronesians and Polys who their indigenous beliefs seem to be almost wiped out from Christianity. Even Papua New Guinea seems to have been heavily converted to Christianity which to me is a big cultural tragedy.

Would be cool if Timor Leste and Eastern Indonesia can revive its precolonial religion in full form.


Yes I heard a very large percentage of Sumbanese are Animists who believe in the Marapu religion and that they are "Christians" only in ID cards lol.

I'd say Melanesians have definitely retained the most of the Precolonial beliefs,many were also some of the last Christian's to be converted.Like Highland Papua,even Sumba for that matter

[Maguzanci]

I'd say Melanesians have definitely retained the most of the Precolonial beliefs,many were also some of the last Christian's to be converted.Like Highland Papua,even Sumba for that matter

Yes true. In Vanuatu I heard of Kastom villages like Yakel where they are still animists or the Kwaio in Solomon Islands.

I hope they revert back to their old religions and lifestyle.

[GaneshD'Souza]

East Timor has been Catholic since the Portugese took over in 1769.Not when "Indonesia" made them choose,since Indonesia didnt even exist until after World War 2.

Indonesia only ruled East Timor for 20 years and we all know how that worked out for them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Timor_genocide

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_in_East_Timor

Did you even read the links you provided?


The Church played an important role in society during the Indonesian occupation of East Timor. While just 20% of East Timorese called themselves Catholics at the time of the 1975 invasion, the figure surged to reach 95% by the end of the first decade after the invasion.

So yes, the Catholic Church has been in East Timor since the 1700s, but the vast majority of the population was not Catholic until after 1975. They only coverted because Indonesia's government requires you to be part of one of the registered religions.

[GaneshD'Souza]

Some of my Filipino relatives who are in the "Chamorro range" of European ancestry, meaning they're 1/8th to 1/4th European

1.
https://i.ibb.co/JvbKkKW/1r.png
https://i.ibb.co/xm2Cwz5/1.png
She does not look European admixed at all. In fact, I would have guessed her as a Chinese-mixed Filipina before guessing her as having any amount of European

2.
https://i.ibb.co/SBhxjkX/ffds.png
https://i.ibb.co/92GgMX4/fgg.png
Also does not look European in the least bit. But his dad does look mixed...
https://i.ibb.co/hFdss7y/395510-10150588490543864-1365238037-n.jpg
If all the European came from his dad, then dad is close to 40% European

3. Here's a relative who is outside the Chamorro range because he has too much European. But he doesn't look any different from a typical Filipino
https://i.ibb.co/10crqxx/2r.png
https://i.ibb.co/hZ2RbJb/2.png
But when he was younger, he did look mestizo...
https://i.ibb.co/YRQL3yy/2rr.png

4. This one lists all her grandparents as being from the Philippines. But it looks like she has more American ancestry instead of Spanish
https://i.ibb.co/nP48cxP/2.png
https://i.ibb.co/KGRYQh9/20p.jpg

Here's some non-relative Filipinos from 23andme subreddit who are also within the Chamorro range...

5.
https://i.ibb.co/h121XJ6/59qwo4aod0t41.png

6.
https://i.ibb.co/BzknnfK/ql11id0chpu41.jpg

7.
https://i.ibb.co/MSMrYFR/6ov1xoojvva41.png

And these don't have a large amount of European but Latino posters on here and on reddit have said they can pass as Latinas

8.
https://i.ibb.co/FHWzx4C/k3fb15vrq4t41.jpg

9.
https://i.ibb.co/dJ00rdN/4zt4h4e7u1v41.png

10.
https://i.ibb.co/nCk1QyQ/sfsdg.png

11.
https://i.ibb.co/4fsNxsx/6.png
https://i.ibb.co/KD2mZbk/yyy.jpg

So don't count on using phenotype to determine which Filipinos are mixed with European, because some of the most mixed just look like regular Filipinos, and some of the least mixed actually look Latino

[aja675]

Didn't know that I would genetically be a typical Chamorro.

[GaneshD'Souza]

Chamorro people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4G-f0YUnm8
The guy with the big beard is actually half white. I've seen him talk about it in interviews. The surname Bevacqua is from his white side. One of the women looks white but comes from 2 Chamorro parents. So she's like the Spanish-looking Filipinos. Everyone else in the video would just pass as regular Filipinos. Even though they probably all have 1/8th to 1/4th European blood, it doesn't show much.

[KuakoVoice]

Chamorro people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4G-f0YUnm8
The guy with the big beard is actually half white. I've seen him talk about it in interviews. One of the women looks white but comes from 2 Chamorro parents. So she's like the Spanish-looking Filipinos. Everyone else in the video would just pass as regular Filipinos. Even though they probably all have 1/8th to 1/4th European blood, it doesn't show much.

I have seen a Chamorro in 23andme results that had less than 1 percent Oceanian,I think .5 percent.To me as a Moluccan that's both funny,ironic, and even sad.

[GaneshD'Souza]

I have seen a Chamorro in 23andme results that had less than 1 percent Oceanian,I think .5 percent.To me as a Moluccan that's both funny,ironic, and even sad.

The type of Oceanian they have is probably not in 23andme's reference population.

According to the only study on Chamorros' autosomal DNA, they're on average:

43% (+/- 4%) Northeast Asian
29% (+/- 3%) Southeast Asian
4% (+/- 1.5%) Oceania
10% (+/- 3.5%) Mediterranean
7% (+/- 2.5%) Northern European
3% (+/- 1%) Southwestern Asian
3% (+/- 1.5%) Native American

https://www.guampedia.com/chamorro-d...amorro-people/

The same study found that Filipinos are:

56% (+/- 1%) Northeast Asian
36% (+/- 1%) Southeast Asian
5% (+/- 1%) Oceania
1.5% (+/- 1.5%) Mediterranean

Ironically, Filipinos are a bit more Oceanian than Chamorros are. But that's probably just because Chamorros are so mixed with white

[Mingle]

Western Eurasian in the sense of Saami or ice hunter hunters, not basal rich Meds or Levant which is where Catholicism comes from. ANE looked nothing like an Italian. Most Chinese i met are irreligious but there some protestant fanatics, it looks weird to me. Btw Are'nt you ethnic 华夏?

Besides ANE, Amerindians also have significant Southern European ancestry.

[Unknown European]

I think Pinoy, and Recent European mainly Spanish admixture definitely brought some more West Eurasian like phenotypes to the Philippines. I Know many Filipinos that could pass as Hispanic (Mestizo)

[GaneshD'Souza]

I think Pinoy, and Recent European mainly Spanish admixture definitely brought some more West Eurasian like phenotypes to the Philippines. I Know many Filipinos that could pass as Hispanic (Mestizo)

Filipino looks can be deceiving. This full Filipino girl looks Eurasian to me. I thought for sure she would be heavily mixed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QG2RFU1Fak
But her DNA results showed that she's only 0.8% European, 0.8% South Asian (both are typical for a Filipino). The rest is Filipino.

[Alenka]

Filipinos would be my guess.

[Leto]

What are the Bamar (Burmese) people like? Are they significantly South Asian?

[Maguzanci]

What are the Bamar (Burmese) people like? Are they significantly South Asian?

They have substantial South Asian admix at 20% and more. Thus their Iran_neo West Eurasian ancestry is fairly high.

The most South Asian-shifted group in Burma is likely the Rakhine/Arakanese as they are situated next to Bengal region of India and Bangladesh. Rakhine are probably around 30% South Asian and more. They along with the Acehnese of Far Northern Sumatra in Indonesia are probably have the highest West Eurasian admixture in SE Asia.

I remember seeing results of a gedmatch user from Burma. She has like 35% South Asian admix and almost 20% West Eurasian ancestry when using nmonte derived from calcs.

She is probably the most West Eurasian admixed SE Asian sample I saw. Not sure if she is ethnic Bamar or Rakhine though

[Maguzanci]

Some of my Filipino relatives who are in the "Chamorro range" of European ancestry, meaning they're 1/8th to 1/4th European

1.
https://i.ibb.co/JvbKkKW/1r.png
https://i.ibb.co/xm2Cwz5/1.png
She does not look European admixed at all. In fact, I would have guessed her as a Chinese-mixed Filipina before guessing her as having any amount of European

2.
https://i.ibb.co/SBhxjkX/ffds.png
https://i.ibb.co/92GgMX4/fgg.png
Also does not look European in the least bit. But his dad does look mixed...
https://i.ibb.co/hFdss7y/395510-10150588490543864-1365238037-n.jpg
If all the European came from his dad, then dad is close to 40% European

3. Here's a relative who is outside the Chamorro range because he has too much European. But he doesn't look any different from a typical Filipino
https://i.ibb.co/10crqxx/2r.png
https://i.ibb.co/hZ2RbJb/2.png
But when he was younger, he did look mestizo...
https://i.ibb.co/YRQL3yy/2rr.png

4. This one lists all her grandparents as being from the Philippines. But it looks like she has more American ancestry instead of Spanish
https://i.ibb.co/nP48cxP/2.png
https://i.ibb.co/KGRYQh9/20p.jpg

Here's some non-relative Filipinos from 23andme subreddit who are also within the Chamorro range...

5.
https://i.ibb.co/h121XJ6/59qwo4aod0t41.png

6.
https://i.ibb.co/BzknnfK/ql11id0chpu41.jpg

7.
https://i.ibb.co/MSMrYFR/6ov1xoojvva41.png

And these don't have a large amount of European but Latino posters on here and on reddit have said they can pass as Latinas

8.
https://i.ibb.co/FHWzx4C/k3fb15vrq4t41.jpg

9.
https://i.ibb.co/dJ00rdN/4zt4h4e7u1v41.png

10.
https://i.ibb.co/nCk1QyQ/sfsdg.png

11.
https://i.ibb.co/4fsNxsx/6.png
https://i.ibb.co/KD2mZbk/yyy.jpg

So don't count on using phenotype to determine which Filipinos are mixed with European, because some of the most mixed just look like regular Filipinos, and some of the least mixed actually look Latino

A lot of Pinos might have high Caucasoid admix like 20% or more due to recent Euro ancestry but if we are discussing who have the most Caucasoid on average, it would be Burmese and Thai as they consistently get 15-20% or more South Asian and around 7-15% Caucasoid on their DNA results while the average Pino is only 0-5% Caucasoid (of Euro admix). Heck, even Indonesians, Malays, Cambodians have higher Caucasoid admix than Pinos as their South Asian admix is around 10-15% admix which equates to around 5-8% Caucasoid ancestry on average.

Pinos only have higher Caucasoid on average than Laotians, Vietnamese, hill tribes of mainland SE Asia, isolated Austronesian tribes in Borneo who doesn't have any caucasoid at all.

[Mingle]

The Tibeto-Burmans of modern Northeast India and Bangladesh (Jumma people of the Chittagong Hill Tracts) are going to be the Southeast Asians with the highest West Eurasian percentage.

Out of those options though, Burmese.

[Maguzanci]

The Tibeto-Burmans of modern Northeast India and Bangladesh (Jumma people of the Chittagong Hill Tracts) are going to be the Southeast Asians with the highest West Eurasian percentage.

Out of those options though, Burmese.

I think Acehnese of Northern Sumatra in indonesia also have highest West Eurasian admix out of all Indonesian ethnicities but I am not sure do they have as high as the Burmese or the people of NE India or Bangladesh.

Burmese, Thai, Indonesian, Malay, Cambodian all these have higher West Eurasian admix on average than Pinos who are only 0-5% Caucasoid on average.

Pinos however have higher Caucasoid admix than Laotians, Viets who doesn't have West Eurasian admix at all.

[Maguzanci]

The Tibeto-Burmans of modern Northeast India and Bangladesh (Jumma people of the Chittagong Hill Tracts) are going to be the Southeast Asians with the highest West Eurasian percentage.

Out of those options though, Burmese.

Actually the most West Eurasian admixed group in SE Asia might also be the Muslim minorities of Burma (not Rohingya).

Like I actually met two Burmese Muslims (I don't think they are Bamar or Rakhine) working in two Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi restaurants in Bangkok who look very different from SE Asians and look Nepali or some type of Indid mixed with Tibeto-Burman.

They told me they are from Burma which makes me inquired whether they were Rohingya. They answered no, they are Muslims from Burma but not Rohingya. In fact I was a bit astonished when they told me they were from Myanmar.

However I am not sure are these Muslims native to Burma or recent migrants from the Indian subcontinent.

[Mingle]

Actually the most West Eurasian admixed group in SE Asia might also be the Muslim minorities of Burma (not Rohingya).

Like I actually met two Burmese Muslims (I don't think they are Bamar or Rakhine) working in two Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi restaurants in Bangkok who look very different from SE Asians and look Nepali or some type of Indid mixed with Tibeto-Burman.

They told me they are from Burma which makes me inquired whether they were Rohingya. They answered no, they are Muslims from Burma but not Rohingya. In fact I was a bit astonished when they told me they were from Myanmar.

However I am not sure are these Muslims native to Burma or recent migrants from the Indian subcontinent.

I know about that group. They're Kameins and they're an Indic-Burmese mix with roots in Bengal (which is why I didn't mention them). They're the first wave of Bengali migrants, but have long assimilated into Burmese society. The Rohingyas are the second (and more numerous) wave of Bengali migrants, and as you may know aren't assimilated, which is why they weren't given citizenship whereas Kameins were, but that's a different topic. Kameins came in the late 17th century while Rohingyas came in the late 19th century. From what I've heard, Kameins are significantly mixed with the native Burmans of the Rakhine state, but I've never seen a Kamein or their DNA results.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamein

[Maguzanci]

I know about that group. They're Kameins and they're an Indic-Burmese mix with roots in Bengal (which is why I didn't mention them). They're the first wave of Bengali migrants, but have long assimilated into Burmese society. The Rohingyas are the second (and more numerous) wave of Bengali migrants, and as you may know aren't assimilated, which is why they weren't given citizenship whereas Kameins were, but that's a different topic. Kameins came in the late 17th century while Rohingyas came in the late 19th century. From what I've heard, Kameins are significantly mixed with the native Burmans of the Rakhine state, but I've never seen a Kamein or their DNA results.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamein

Oh I heard of the Kamein but have not thought of that when talking to them. But later, I did suspect they might be Kamein as well but didn't ask them further. Next time, when I go to those two restaurants again, I will inquired them.

Wow, I didn't know they weren't native to Burma but migrants from Bengal. Thanks. That Burmese gedmatch user I earlier briefly discussed might Rakhine as her South Asian and West Eurasian is very high even compared to most Burmese but when I search on her FB or linkedin, I don't see any indication of her being Rakhine. Maybe she has recent Indian admixture? Not sure.

[Maguzanci]

The Tibeto-Burmans of modern Northeast India and Bangladesh (Jumma people of the Chittagong Hill Tracts) are going to be the Southeast Asians with the highest West Eurasian percentage.

Out of those options though, Burmese.

Actually I was a bit wrong. Some ethnic minorities of Vietnam have West Eurasian admixture especially the Khmer and Cham as they were Indicized. So some Viets might have almost zero to negligible amounts of West Eurasian if they are Khmer/Cham admixed.

Some Central Highland tribes of Vietnam might also have minor Indic and West Eurasian if they live in close proximities to the former Khmer Empire.

Parts of Southern Laos might also have minor West Eurasian as they were under the sphere of Khmer Empire.

[Thambi]

Actually I was a bit wrong. Some ethnic minorities of Vietnam have West Eurasian admixture especially the Khmer and Cham as they were Indicized. So some Viets might have almost zero to negligible amounts of West Eurasian if they are Khmer/Cham admixed.

Some Central Highland tribes of Vietnam might also have minor Indic and West Eurasian if they live in close proximities to the former Khmer Empire.

Parts of Southern Laos might also have minor West Eurasian as they were under the sphere of Khmer Empire.

Most se asian groups besides burmese have almost no baloch. I think its mostly negrito in their case.

[Mingle]

Actually I was a bit wrong. Some ethnic minorities of Vietnam have West Eurasian admixture especially the Khmer and Cham as they were Indicized. So some Viets might have almost zero to negligible amounts of West Eurasian if they are Khmer/Cham admixed.

Some Central Highland tribes of Vietnam might also have minor Indic and West Eurasian if they live in close proximities to the former Khmer Empire.

Parts of Southern Laos might also have minor West Eurasian as they were under the sphere of Khmer Empire.

Can you tell me more about the high West Eurasian admixture among the Acehnese? Is it recent ancestry from Arabs or something? How high is it exactly? The Chams have origins around Aceh by the way. But if the WEU admixture among the Acehnese is recent, then it wouldn't apply to them. There are two Central Highlands tribes of Cham origin called the Jarai and Rade. They're generally pretty isolated though and I wouldn't expect them to be mixed with WEU.

There's also a subgroup of Chams called the Cham Balomon. They're the only Hindu group that exists outside of India/South Asia and Bali. I wonder if they and the Balinese score any differently to their Muslim neighbors.

Not only southern Laos, but all of Isan as well.

[Maguzanci]

Most se asian groups besides burmese have almost no baloch. I think its mostly negrito in their case.

It actually depends. I have seen results of other SE Asians besides Burmese who also score quite a good amount of Baloch.

[GaneshD'Souza]

A lot of Pinos might have high Caucasoid admix like 20% or more due to recent Euro ancestry but if we are discussing who have the most Caucasoid on average, it would be Burmese and Thai as they consistently get 15-20% or more South Asian and around 7-15% Caucasoid on their DNA results while the average Pino is only 0-5% Caucasoid (of Euro admix). Heck, even Indonesians, Malays, Cambodians have higher Caucasoid admix than Pinos as their South Asian admix is around 10-15% admix which equates to around 5-8% Caucasoid ancestry on average.

Pinos only have higher Caucasoid on average than Laotians, Vietnamese, hill tribes of mainland SE Asia, isolated Austronesian tribes in Borneo who doesn't have any caucasoid at all.

Filipinos have South Asian admixture too. You can see it in all their 23andme results. Other Southeast Asians usually come up with around the same amount of South Asian as Filipinos.

Here's the Indonesians who have posted on 23andme's subreddit. I'm only listing the Central/South Asian and the European. They have other ancestries too:

He's 0.9% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gqdhaj/pleasantly_surprised_to_find_out_that_im_more/

She's 3.3% Central/South Asian, 0% European (Keep in mind she identified as Indonesian-Chinese)
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/fmdn6b/indonesianchinese_raised_in_the_czech_republic/

0.2% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/f74j9r/indonesian_results_2020/

0.7% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gp9wcl/finally_brave_enough_to_post_a_pic_of_myself/

0.2% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/g3n0oc/adopted_from_indonesia_and_never_knew_anything/

0.3% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/9z0foa/my_mothers_moluccan_east_indonesian_ambonese/


Here's all the Cambodians:

0.5% Central/South Asian, 0.2% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/hx2nut/cambodian_results/

1.4% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gkkc6n/updates_to_original_results_cambodian/

3.3% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/e1895x/i_knew_that_i_was_cambodian_and_chinese_however/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 0.1% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/9fcgvd/results_came_in_cambodian/

3.5% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/cbivmw/beta_update_cambodian_asian/


The only full Thai result:

He's not showing his trace regions, but it's 0.6%, so we'll assume that's all South Asian and European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gkykqa/my_partner_was_born_in_thailand_and_thought_he/


Here's all the Filipinos who have posted since the last update. There are tons. There are more who posted older results, but I didn't include them. I only included people who identify as full Filipino and don't mention that they have a foreign parent or grandparent (besides Chinese)

He’s 0.6% Central/South Asian, and 1.9% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/fewsqb/filipino_results_posted_here_before_but_heres_a/

2.4% Central/South Asian, 7.2% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/g2a448/people_never_think_im_filipino_but_i_am_i_got/?sort=new

0.8% Central/South Asian, 0% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/f5ndkj/filipino_dna_results_im_basically_filipino_anyone/

0% Central/South Asian, and 0.4% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/f5chcd/filipinoamerican_with_roots_from_the_ilocos/

0.7% Central/South Asian, and 16% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/g1vdkm/finally_felt_brave_enough_to_post_a_pic/

1.2% Central/South Asian, 0.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/f3sufm/filipino_born_raised_in_the_us_expecting_100/

1% Central/South Asian, 0.2% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ex1nid/my_parents_have_always_told_me_we_were_filipino/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 5.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/g83sgz/i_love_how_colorful_the_map_is_i_wish_the_trace/

0% Central/South Asian, 16% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/eoyhyw/all_my_life_i_never_knew_much_about_my_maternal/

0.1% Central/South Asian, 0% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/emzm2f/adopted_from_the_philippines_the_day_i_was_born/

1% Central/South Asian, 1.8% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/eko61y/expecting_to_be_nearly_100_filipino_and_getting_a/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 0.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ejn481/filipino_results/

2.9% Central/South Asian, 9.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ehtmhv/my_updated_filipino_results/

0.4% Central/South Asian, 0.8% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/eeatnm/97_filipino_08_trace_european_07_indonesian_and/

1.5% Central/South Asian, 1.4% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ed8cld/my_results_not_too_mind_blowing_but_some_pleasant/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 3% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/e20a10/filipino_born_in_the_philippines/

3 results in one post....

First person- 0.1% Central/South Asian, 0.3% Euro

2nd Person- 0.1% Central/South Asian, 0.5% Euro

3rd Person- 0% Central/South Asian, 0% Euro

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/dgh7no/filipino_ancestry/

1.2% Central/South Asian, 0.4% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/dfqerl/23andme_filipino_results/

0.3% Central/South Asian, 0.7% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/devezq/my_updated_results_filipino/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 7.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ddv1cn/updated_filipino_results/

1.4% Central/South Asian, 1.6% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/d3ge3w/got_the_beta_update_v4_chip_filipino/

2.7% Central/South Asian, 0.3% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/d1d8z6/another_filipino_here_but_plot_twist_hardly_any/

0% Central/South Asian, 1.3% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/d03wht/filipino_checking_in/

1.2% Central/South Asian, 0.2% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/czwawn/filipino_ancestry_update_may_2018_vs_september/

Three results in one post...

1st Person- 0.7% Central/South Asian, 16% Euro

2nd Person- 0.2% Central/South Asian, 10% Euro

3rd Person- 0% Central/South Asian, 4% Euro

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/byqhc1/filipino_with_diverse_results/

1.6% Central/South Asian, 32% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/bakxe5/since_were_on_the_filipino_kick/

0.5% Central/South Asian, 6.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ff6x8p/my_moms_ancestry_composition_born_in_the/

1.2 Central/South Asian, 6.6% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/exfdz0/in_the_philippines_i_was_always_referred_to_as/

0.8% Central/South Asian, 0.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/cmw115/beta_and_original_results_from_a_filipino_born/

1.2% Central/South Asian, 0.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/dt0m7u/filipina_born_and_raised_in_california/

0.1% Central/South Asian, 13% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/98c23y/filipina_results_before_and_after_the_update/

0% Central/South Asian, 0.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/baj4k2/i_guess_im_super_filipino/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 7.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/fkfh39/i_get_mistaken_for_a_lot_of_different_things_but/

0% Central/South Asian, 1.8% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/fgmb52/filipina_updated_since_going_beta_50_confidence/

0.3% Central/South Asian, 17.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/g7305e/filipino_results/

0.8% Central/South Asian, 1.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/g5701p/filipino_results_nothing_surprising_at_all/

0% Central/South Asian, 0% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gow9n2/more_filipino_results_mom_said_she_could_have/

1.1% Central/South Asian, 1.6% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/htazw8/filipino_with_admixtures/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 0.3% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/hobk3p/filipino_with_an_unexpected_amount_of_chinese/

1.5% Central/South Asian, 1.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gt8ice/broadly_mixed_filipino/

0.7% Central/South Asian, 0.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/hbgmo0/my_results_my_mother_and_father_are_both_from_the/

0.7% Central/South Asian, 0% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gwcqle/was_told_all_my_life_i_look_different_from_my/

0.1% Central/South Asian, 4.5% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/bdcle2/had_no_idea_filipino_blood_was_so_mixed_with_that/

Filipinos results are varied, but almost all have some amount of South Asian and European. The amount of South Asian isn't substantially lower than that of Indonesians or Cambodians

I calculated the average amount for the 47 Filipinos above. The average for Central/South Asian is 0.7%. The average for European is 4.3% (but this is skewed by some high amounts). The median amount is probably closer to 1-2%, which is what I found was the median amount of European after looking at 200 Filipino results on the 23andme website itself. That also goes along with the Guam study that found that Filipinos are 1.5% Mediterranean on average
https://www.guampedia.com/chamorro-dna-studies-and-the-origin-of-the-chamorro-people/

The average amount for the 12 Indonesian, Thais, and Cambodians was 1.3% (South/Central Asian and European combined). But this is a small sample, I'll admit.

Before anyone says "23andme doesn't look at ancient admixture, only recent" Yeah, I highly doubt all those Filipinos with South Asian ancestry have recent South Asian. The Philippines' South Asian influenced ended more than 700 years ago. All that South/Central Asian is ancient ancestry and it's spread throughout most of the population.

[Maguzanci]

Can you tell me more about the high West Eurasian admixture among the Acehnese? Is it recent ancestry from Arabs or something? How high is it exactly? The Chams have origins around Aceh by the way. But if the WEU admixture among the Acehnese is recent, then it wouldn't apply to them. There are two Central Highlands tribes of Cham origin called the Jarai and Rade. They're generally pretty isolated though and I wouldn't expect them to be mixed with WEU.

There's also a subgroup of Chams called the Cham Balomon. They're the only Hindu group that exists outside of India/South Asia and Bali. I wonder if they and the Balinese score any differently to their Muslim neighbors.

Not only southern Laos, but all of Isan as well.

Im not sure how old is the West Eurasian among the Acehnese but since Aceh was the northernmost part of Indonesia, it would also be part of the trade route for Indian and Arab traders, settlers to sail to other parts of Southeast Asia. Also Aceh used to be a sultanate along time ago which means it very likely for Arab traders to settle and spread Islam in the region, which makes me think there are also some gene flow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samudera_Pasai_Sultanate and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aceh_Sultanate

Im not sure how high as I have only one Acehnese result (although he is from Bandung in Java but his name hints that he is Acehnese) and he was like at least around 13% or more West Eurasian: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?289479-Indonesian-Gedmatch-result-Seem-to-has-recent-South-Asian-ancestry

But from what I heard from a few other users, its very plausible the Acehnese are the most Western-shifted people in Indonesia as their territory used to be in the middle of the trade route from India, Arabia to go to further eastern destinations in SE Asia.

Hmm I also heard of the Hindu Chams before. Yep would be interested to see their results as well.

Here is a Vahaduo PuntDNA K13 result of Bahnar, another hill tribe ethnic group from the Central Highlands of Vietnam. They are Austroasiatic tho and not of Chamic origins.

Target: Bahnar
Distance: 0.5496% / 0.54959803
60.0 Vietnamese
31.2 Dai
2.6 Saudi
2.0 Igorot
2.0 Papuan
1.4 Simulated_AASI
0.8 Dinka

Most of the West Eurasian seems to be Arab-related (Saudi) which is weird as I would expected to have Baloch/Brahui if they have South Asian admixture.

Here is a thread about this individual's dna results btw: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?316542-Gedmatch-result-of-a-Bahnar-a-Austroasiatic-Mon-Khmer-hill-tribe-from-Central-Highlands-in-Vietnam

Another thread about DNA results of Chams from Vietnam: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?294781-Gedmatch-results-of-ethnic-Chams-an-Austronesian-ethnic-group-from-Vietnam

[Mingle]

Im not sure how old is the West Eurasian among the Acehnese but since Aceh was the northernmost part of Indonesia, it would also be part of the trade route for Indian and Arab traders, settlers to sail to other parts of Southeast Asia. Also Aceh used to be a sultanate along time ago which means it very likely for Arab traders to settle and spread Islam in the region, which makes me think there are also some gene flow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samudera_Pasai_Sultanate and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aceh_Sultanate

But from what I heard from a few other users, its very plausible the Acehnese are the most Western-shifted people in Indonesia as their territory used to be in the middle of the trade route from India, Arabia to go to further eastern destinations in SE Asia.


There's nothing really surprising about Acehnese having the most WEU in Nusantara (Maritime SE Asia/MaPhilIndo) considering their geography, but them having more WEU than the Burmese and Mongoloids of NE India and Chittagong (SE Bangladesh) would be surprising. That's what I was mostly wondering about.


Im not sure how high as I have only one Acehnese result (although he is from Bandung in Java but his name hints that he is Acehnese) and he was like at least around 13% or more West Eurasian: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?289479-Indonesian-Gedmatch-result-Seem-to-has-recent-South-Asian-ancestry

Okay. If it's based on only one result, then he could be atypical or mixed, especially if said Acehnese is from Java which is a multicultural city with lots of Indians.


Here is a Vahaduo PuntDNA K13 result of Bahnar, another hill tribe ethnic group from the Central Highlands of Vietnam. They are Austroasiatic tho and not of Chamic origins.

Target: Bahnar
Distance: 0.5496% / 0.54959803
60.0 Vietnamese
31.2 Dai
2.6 Saudi
2.0 Igorot
2.0 Papuan
1.4 Simulated_AASI
0.8 Dinka

Most of the West Eurasian seems to be Arab-related (Saudi) which is weird as I would expected to have Baloch/Brahui if they have South Asian admixture.

That's pretty interesting. Never would have expected a Degar/Montagnard of non-Chamic roots to score Arab.

[Maguzanci]

Filipinos have South Asian admixture too. You can see it in all their 23andme results. Other Southeast Asians usually come up with around the same amount of South Asian as Filipinos.

Here's the Indonesians who have posted on 23andme's subreddit. I'm only listing the Central/South Asian and the European. They have other ancestries too:

He's 0.9% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gqdhaj/pleasantly_surprised_to_find_out_that_im_more/

She's 3.3% Central/South Asian, 0% European (Keep in mind she identified as Indonesian-Chinese)
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/fmdn6b/indonesianchinese_raised_in_the_czech_republic/

0.2% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/f74j9r/indonesian_results_2020/

0.7% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gp9wcl/finally_brave_enough_to_post_a_pic_of_myself/

0.2% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/g3n0oc/adopted_from_indonesia_and_never_knew_anything/

0.3% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/9z0foa/my_mothers_moluccan_east_indonesian_ambonese/


Here's all the Cambodians:

0.5% Central/South Asian, 0.2% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/hx2nut/cambodian_results/

1.4% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gkkc6n/updates_to_original_results_cambodian/

3.3% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/e1895x/i_knew_that_i_was_cambodian_and_chinese_however/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 0.1% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/9fcgvd/results_came_in_cambodian/

3.5% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/cbivmw/beta_update_cambodian_asian/


The only full Thai result:

He's not showing his trace regions, but it's 0.6%, so we'll assume that's all South Asian and European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gkykqa/my_partner_was_born_in_thailand_and_thought_he/


Here's all the Filipinos who have posted since the last update. There are tons. There are more who posted older results, but I didn't include them. I only included people who identify as full Filipino and don't mention that they have a foreign parent or grandparent (besides Chinese)

He’s 0.6% Central/South Asian, and 1.9% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/fewsqb/filipino_results_posted_here_before_but_heres_a/

2.4% Central/South Asian, 7.2% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/g2a448/people_never_think_im_filipino_but_i_am_i_got/?sort=new

0.8% Central/South Asian, 0% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/f5ndkj/filipino_dna_results_im_basically_filipino_anyone/

0% Central/South Asian, and 0.4% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/f5chcd/filipinoamerican_with_roots_from_the_ilocos/

0.7% Central/South Asian, and 16% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/g1vdkm/finally_felt_brave_enough_to_post_a_pic/

1.2% Central/South Asian, 0.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/f3sufm/filipino_born_raised_in_the_us_expecting_100/

1% Central/South Asian, 0.2% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ex1nid/my_parents_have_always_told_me_we_were_filipino/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 5.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/g83sgz/i_love_how_colorful_the_map_is_i_wish_the_trace/

0% Central/South Asian, 16% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/eoyhyw/all_my_life_i_never_knew_much_about_my_maternal/

0.1% Central/South Asian, 0% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/emzm2f/adopted_from_the_philippines_the_day_i_was_born/

1% Central/South Asian, 1.8% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/eko61y/expecting_to_be_nearly_100_filipino_and_getting_a/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 0.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ejn481/filipino_results/

2.9% Central/South Asian, 9.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ehtmhv/my_updated_filipino_results/

0.4% Central/South Asian, 0.8% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/eeatnm/97_filipino_08_trace_european_07_indonesian_and/

1.5% Central/South Asian, 1.4% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ed8cld/my_results_not_too_mind_blowing_but_some_pleasant/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 3% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/e20a10/filipino_born_in_the_philippines/

3 results in one post....

First person- 0.1% Central/South Asian, 0.3% Euro

2nd Person- 0.1% Central/South Asian, 0.5% Euro

3rd Person- 0% Central/South Asian, 0% Euro

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/dgh7no/filipino_ancestry/

1.2% Central/South Asian, 0.4% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/dfqerl/23andme_filipino_results/

0.3% Central/South Asian, 0.7% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/devezq/my_updated_results_filipino/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 7.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ddv1cn/updated_filipino_results/

1.4% Central/South Asian, 1.6% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/d3ge3w/got_the_beta_update_v4_chip_filipino/

2.7% Central/South Asian, 0.3% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/d1d8z6/another_filipino_here_but_plot_twist_hardly_any/

0% Central/South Asian, 1.3% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/d03wht/filipino_checking_in/

1.2% Central/South Asian, 0.2% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/czwawn/filipino_ancestry_update_may_2018_vs_september/

Three results in one post...

1st Person- 0.7% Central/South Asian, 16% Euro

2nd Person- 0.2% Central/South Asian, 10% Euro

3rd Person- 0% Central/South Asian, 4% Euro

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/byqhc1/filipino_with_diverse_results/

1.6% Central/South Asian, 32% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/bakxe5/since_were_on_the_filipino_kick/

0.5% Central/South Asian, 6.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ff6x8p/my_moms_ancestry_composition_born_in_the/

1.2 Central/South Asian, 6.6% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/exfdz0/in_the_philippines_i_was_always_referred_to_as/

0.8% Central/South Asian, 0.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/cmw115/beta_and_original_results_from_a_filipino_born/

1.2% Central/South Asian, 0.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/dt0m7u/filipina_born_and_raised_in_california/

0.1% Central/South Asian, 13% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/98c23y/filipina_results_before_and_after_the_update/

0% Central/South Asian, 0.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/baj4k2/i_guess_im_super_filipino/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 7.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/fkfh39/i_get_mistaken_for_a_lot_of_different_things_but/

0% Central/South Asian, 1.8% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/fgmb52/filipina_updated_since_going_beta_50_confidence/

0.3% Central/South Asian, 17.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/g7305e/filipino_results/

0.8% Central/South Asian, 1.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/g5701p/filipino_results_nothing_surprising_at_all/

0% Central/South Asian, 0% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gow9n2/more_filipino_results_mom_said_she_could_have/

1.1% Central/South Asian, 1.6% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/htazw8/filipino_with_admixtures/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 0.3% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/hobk3p/filipino_with_an_unexpected_amount_of_chinese/

1.5% Central/South Asian, 1.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gt8ice/broadly_mixed_filipino/

0.7% Central/South Asian, 0.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/hbgmo0/my_results_my_mother_and_father_are_both_from_the/

0.7% Central/South Asian, 0% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gwcqle/was_told_all_my_life_i_look_different_from_my/

0.1% Central/South Asian, 4.5% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/bdcle2/had_no_idea_filipino_blood_was_so_mixed_with_that/

Filipinos results are varied, but almost all have some amount of South Asian and European. The amount of South Asian isn't substantially lower than that of Indonesians or Cambodians

I calculated the average amount for the 47 Filipinos above. The average for Central/South Asian is 0.7%. The average for European is 4.3% (but this is skewed by some high amounts). The median amount is probably closer to 1-2%, which is what I found was the median amount of European after looking at 200 Filipino results on the 23andme website itself. That also goes along with the Guam study that found that Filipinos are 1.5% Mediterranean on average
https://www.guampedia.com/chamorro-dna-studies-and-the-origin-of-the-chamorro-people/

The average amount for the 12 Indonesian, Thais, and Cambodians was 1.3% (South/Central Asian and European combined). But this is a small sample, I'll admit.

Before anyone says "23andme doesn't look at ancient admixture, only recent" Yeah, I highly doubt all those Filipinos with South Asian ancestry have recent South Asian. The Philippines' South Asian influenced ended more than 700 years ago. All that South/Central Asian is ancient ancestry and it's spread throughout most of the population.

Ok I see your point. When I am addressing about stuff like "Burmese, Thais have around 15-20% and more South Asian while Cambodians, Indonesians, Malays have around 10-15% and more South Asian", I am referring to Gedmatch, not 23andme. Gedmatch calculators are a much more suitable indicator to gauge how much South Asian each group really have and in this case other SE Asians indeed score much higher South Asian than Pinos.

Some examples using Vahaduo PuntDNAL K13 (Gedmatch calculator): The Simulated_AASI+Balochi (sometimes also Latvian) is South Asian admixture. Balochi is the main Caucasoid component of most South Asians. Notice the difference between SE Asian nationalities

Target: Indonesian_1
Distance: 1.1655% / 1.16554279
26.8 Dai
25.6 Luzon
17.0 Igorot
15.6 Simulated_AASI
8.4 Balochi
4.2 Latvian
2.4 Papuan

For example, The Simulated_AASI+Balochi is the South Asian admixture of this Indonesian individual which is around at least 23%. The Latvian also means South Asian admix if the Indian ancestors are Northern Indian-related.

Target: Burmese_1
Distance: 2.3276% / 2.32764817
45.8 Naxi
14.6 Simulated_AASI
10.8 Balochi
10.0 Han_South_China
8.0 Igorot
3.8 Latvian
2.6 Papuan
2.6 Luzon
1.8 Dai


Target: Thai_1
Distance: 2.0678% / 2.06781431
38.6 Dai
14.4 Luzon
14.2 Simulated_AASI
12.6 Han_South_China
8.4 Balochi
5.6 Igorot
2.6 Saudi
1.8 Papuan
1.8 Latvian


Target: Cambodian_1
Distance: 1.3164% / 1.31638596
51.0 Dai
24.0 Luzon
12.2 Simulated_AASI
6.8 Balochi
2.4 Igorot
1.6 Papuan
1.2 Latvian
0.8 Saudi


Target: Filipino_1
Distance: 2.2059% / 2.20589574
42.0 Luzon
28.6 Dai
18.0 Igorot
5.6 Latvian
2.8 Saudi
2.0 Papuan
1.0 Simulated_AASI


Target: Filipino_2
Distance: 2.1816% / 2.18155128
46.4 Dai
24.2 Igorot
22.0 Luzon
2.4 Saudi
1.8 Spaniard
1.6 Papuan
1.6 Simulated_AASI

Target: Filipino_3
Distance: 2.1183% / 2.11829696
32.8 Igorot
21.6 Luzon
14.4 Dai
10.8 Han_South_China
8.2 Spaniard
5.8 Papuan
2.2 Balochi
1.8 Simulated_AASI
1.6 Saudi
0.8 Latvian

Notice how the three Pino individuals barely have any Simulated_AASI and very little to none Balochi while the other nationalities have these two components? That is a sign that the South Asian admixture in them is very low compared to other groups.

Compared again to other ethnicities:

Target: Cambodian_2
Distance: 1.6976% / 1.69761656
45.4 Dai
19.8 Luzon
14.2 Simulated_AASI
7.8 Balochi
7.0 Igorot
2.2 Papuan
2.0 Han_South_China
0.8 Latvian
0.4 Saudi
0.4 Spaniard

Target: Indonesian_2
Distance: 1.4473% / 1.44729264
28.6 Luzon
24.6 Dai
22.6 Igorot
12.6 Simulated_AASI
7.0 Balochi
2.6 Latvian
1.4 Papuan
0.6 Saudi

Target: Thai_2
Distance: 2.1316% / 2.13160550
42.4 Dai
18.2 Han_South_China
14.4 Luzon
6.6 Igorot
6.2 Simulated_AASI
5.2 Balochi
5.2 Latvian
1.8 Papuan

Target: Burmese_2
Distance: 1.9853% / 1.98534934
31.8 Naxi
20.4 Simulated_AASI
19.4 Balochi
11.4 Han_South_China
8.4 Dai
3.8 Luzon
3.4 Igorot
1.4 Papuan

Target: Cambodian_3
Distance: 1.1742% / 1.17423337
41.8 Dai
29.0 Luzon
10.2 Simulated_AASI
8.8 Igorot
5.0 Balochi
2.2 Saudi
2.0 Spaniard
1.0 Papuan

Target: Indonesian_3
Distance: 1.0771% / 1.07707846
37.6 Dai
28.4 Luzon
12.6 Igorot
12.6 Simulated_AASI
3.6 Balochi
1.8 Papuan
1.8 Latvian
1.6 Saudi

Target: Thai_3
Distance: 2.3266% / 2.32657645
45.8 Dai
17.6 Luzon
16.0 Simulated_AASI
14.6 Balochi
4.0 Igorot
1.2 Papuan
0.8 Latvian

Target: Burmese_3
Distance: 1.2848% / 1.28477858
35.0 Han_South_China
28.8 Naxi
12.6 Dai
10.2 Simulated_AASI
9.4 Balochi
1.8 Papuan
1.2 Luzon
1.0 Saudi

This is one main advantage of Gedmatch calcs that 23andme won't be able to show. As you can see the other SE Asians have very high Simulated_AASI+Baloch while Pinos barely have any.

I can post more results to compared....

[Maguzanci]

There's nothing really surprising about Acehnese having the most WEU in Nusantara (Maritime SE Asia/MaPhilIndo) considering their geography, but them having more WEU than the Burmese and Mongoloids of NE India and Chittagong (SE Bangladesh) would be surprising. That's what I was mostly wondering about.



Okay. If it's based on only one result, then he could be atypical or mixed, especially if said Acehnese is from Java which is a multicultural city with lots of Indians.



That's pretty interesting. Never would have expected a Degar/Montagnard of non-Chamic roots to score Arab.

Actually Peninsular Malays from Malaysia might have even more WEU or similar amounts as Acehnese if they also have additional newer Indian admixture from the labor-induced Indian migration during British Colonial Period.

Here is a result of a half Acehnese half Javanese. I think most of his Caucasoid comes from his Acehnese side rather than the Javanese.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?289669-Indonesian-Gedmatch-results-2-He-looks-a-bit-like-Mortimer-to-me

So that's two Acehnese/partially Acehnese results. I think most Indonesians on Gedmatch are Javanese, Sundanese, Betawi (Jakarta local population), and other parts of Sumatra, etc. Results from Sulawesi, Borneo and Bali are rare, I believe.

Yes. Its peculiar to me. I wonder what the "Arab/Saudi" this individual scores really represents. I am not sure if it's actually Balochi that got misintrepret as Arab or actual ancestry from the Middle East. Probably more of the former case than the latter as it wouldn't make much sense for Arab traders and missionaries to wander as far into the interiors of Vietnam.

[Asif]

Burmese for sure

[Unknown European]

Filipino looks can be deceiving. This full Filipino girl looks Eurasian to me. I thought for sure she would be heavily mixed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QG2RFU1Fak
But her DNA results showed that she's only 0.8% European, 0.8% South Asian (both are typical for a Filipino). The rest is Filipino.

I think a lot of people assume Caucasian-like phenotypes only occurs in the Philippines because of Recent European admixture. But i don't think that is accurate. I acknowledge that Caucasian traits are also indigenous to East Asia and Pacific islands. and not just having colonial origins

[KuakoVoice]

I think a lot of people assume Caucasian-like phenotypes only occurs in the Philippines because of Recent European admixture. But i don't think that is accurate. I acknowledge that Caucasian traits are also indigenous to East Asia and Pacific islands. and not just having colonial origins

Yes like the Ainu and Papuans,both are very Indigineous to the far Asia-Pacific region and both have psuedo Caucasoid features.

[Unknown European]

Yes like the Ainu and Papuans,both are very Indigineous to the far Asia-Pacific region and both have psuedo Caucasoid features.

Even the Japanese failed to differentiate between the Ainu and Russian, because of physical similarities (white skin and Caucasoid facial features).

When the Japanese first came into contact with the Russians, they called them Red Ainu (blonde haired Ainu). Only during the beginning of the 19th century did the Japanese learn that the Russians are a different group altogether. The Russians, however, reported the Ainu as "hairy", "swarthy", and with dark eyes and hair. Early Russian explorers reported that the Ainu looked like bearded Russian peasants (with swarthy skin) or like the Persians.

[Maguzanci]

Filipinos have South Asian admixture too. You can see it in all their 23andme results. Other Southeast Asians usually come up with around the same amount of South Asian as Filipinos.

Here's the Indonesians who have posted on 23andme's subreddit. I'm only listing the Central/South Asian and the European. They have other ancestries too:

He's 0.9% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gqdhaj/pleasantly_surprised_to_find_out_that_im_more/

She's 3.3% Central/South Asian, 0% European (Keep in mind she identified as Indonesian-Chinese)
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/fmdn6b/indonesianchinese_raised_in_the_czech_republic/

0.2% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/f74j9r/indonesian_results_2020/

0.7% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gp9wcl/finally_brave_enough_to_post_a_pic_of_myself/

0.2% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/g3n0oc/adopted_from_indonesia_and_never_knew_anything/

0.3% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/9z0foa/my_mothers_moluccan_east_indonesian_ambonese/


Here's all the Cambodians:

0.5% Central/South Asian, 0.2% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/hx2nut/cambodian_results/

1.4% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gkkc6n/updates_to_original_results_cambodian/

3.3% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/e1895x/i_knew_that_i_was_cambodian_and_chinese_however/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 0.1% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/9fcgvd/results_came_in_cambodian/

3.5% Central/South Asian, 0% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/cbivmw/beta_update_cambodian_asian/


The only full Thai result:

He's not showing his trace regions, but it's 0.6%, so we'll assume that's all South Asian and European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gkykqa/my_partner_was_born_in_thailand_and_thought_he/


Here's all the Filipinos who have posted since the last update. There are tons. There are more who posted older results, but I didn't include them. I only included people who identify as full Filipino and don't mention that they have a foreign parent or grandparent (besides Chinese)

He’s 0.6% Central/South Asian, and 1.9% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/fewsqb/filipino_results_posted_here_before_but_heres_a/

2.4% Central/South Asian, 7.2% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/g2a448/people_never_think_im_filipino_but_i_am_i_got/?sort=new

0.8% Central/South Asian, 0% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/f5ndkj/filipino_dna_results_im_basically_filipino_anyone/

0% Central/South Asian, and 0.4% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/f5chcd/filipinoamerican_with_roots_from_the_ilocos/

0.7% Central/South Asian, and 16% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/g1vdkm/finally_felt_brave_enough_to_post_a_pic/

1.2% Central/South Asian, 0.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/f3sufm/filipino_born_raised_in_the_us_expecting_100/

1% Central/South Asian, 0.2% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ex1nid/my_parents_have_always_told_me_we_were_filipino/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 5.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/g83sgz/i_love_how_colorful_the_map_is_i_wish_the_trace/

0% Central/South Asian, 16% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/eoyhyw/all_my_life_i_never_knew_much_about_my_maternal/

0.1% Central/South Asian, 0% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/emzm2f/adopted_from_the_philippines_the_day_i_was_born/

1% Central/South Asian, 1.8% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/eko61y/expecting_to_be_nearly_100_filipino_and_getting_a/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 0.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ejn481/filipino_results/

2.9% Central/South Asian, 9.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ehtmhv/my_updated_filipino_results/

0.4% Central/South Asian, 0.8% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/eeatnm/97_filipino_08_trace_european_07_indonesian_and/

1.5% Central/South Asian, 1.4% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ed8cld/my_results_not_too_mind_blowing_but_some_pleasant/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 3% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/e20a10/filipino_born_in_the_philippines/

3 results in one post....

First person- 0.1% Central/South Asian, 0.3% Euro

2nd Person- 0.1% Central/South Asian, 0.5% Euro

3rd Person- 0% Central/South Asian, 0% Euro

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/dgh7no/filipino_ancestry/

1.2% Central/South Asian, 0.4% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/dfqerl/23andme_filipino_results/

0.3% Central/South Asian, 0.7% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/devezq/my_updated_results_filipino/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 7.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ddv1cn/updated_filipino_results/

1.4% Central/South Asian, 1.6% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/d3ge3w/got_the_beta_update_v4_chip_filipino/

2.7% Central/South Asian, 0.3% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/d1d8z6/another_filipino_here_but_plot_twist_hardly_any/

0% Central/South Asian, 1.3% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/d03wht/filipino_checking_in/

1.2% Central/South Asian, 0.2% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/czwawn/filipino_ancestry_update_may_2018_vs_september/

Three results in one post...

1st Person- 0.7% Central/South Asian, 16% Euro

2nd Person- 0.2% Central/South Asian, 10% Euro

3rd Person- 0% Central/South Asian, 4% Euro

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/byqhc1/filipino_with_diverse_results/

1.6% Central/South Asian, 32% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/bakxe5/since_were_on_the_filipino_kick/

0.5% Central/South Asian, 6.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/ff6x8p/my_moms_ancestry_composition_born_in_the/

1.2 Central/South Asian, 6.6% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/exfdz0/in_the_philippines_i_was_always_referred_to_as/

0.8% Central/South Asian, 0.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/cmw115/beta_and_original_results_from_a_filipino_born/

1.2% Central/South Asian, 0.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/dt0m7u/filipina_born_and_raised_in_california/

0.1% Central/South Asian, 13% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/98c23y/filipina_results_before_and_after_the_update/

0% Central/South Asian, 0.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/baj4k2/i_guess_im_super_filipino/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 7.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/fkfh39/i_get_mistaken_for_a_lot_of_different_things_but/

0% Central/South Asian, 1.8% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/fgmb52/filipina_updated_since_going_beta_50_confidence/

0.3% Central/South Asian, 17.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/g7305e/filipino_results/

0.8% Central/South Asian, 1.1% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/g5701p/filipino_results_nothing_surprising_at_all/

0% Central/South Asian, 0% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gow9n2/more_filipino_results_mom_said_she_could_have/

1.1% Central/South Asian, 1.6% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/htazw8/filipino_with_admixtures/

0.6% Central/South Asian, 0.3% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/hobk3p/filipino_with_an_unexpected_amount_of_chinese/

1.5% Central/South Asian, 1.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gt8ice/broadly_mixed_filipino/

0.7% Central/South Asian, 0.5% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/hbgmo0/my_results_my_mother_and_father_are_both_from_the/

0.7% Central/South Asian, 0% Euro
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gwcqle/was_told_all_my_life_i_look_different_from_my/

0.1% Central/South Asian, 4.5% European
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/bdcle2/had_no_idea_filipino_blood_was_so_mixed_with_that/

Filipinos results are varied, but almost all have some amount of South Asian and European. The amount of South Asian isn't substantially lower than that of Indonesians or Cambodians

I calculated the average amount for the 47 Filipinos above. The average for Central/South Asian is 0.7%. The average for European is 4.3% (but this is skewed by some high amounts). The median amount is probably closer to 1-2%, which is what I found was the median amount of European after looking at 200 Filipino results on the 23andme website itself. That also goes along with the Guam study that found that Filipinos are 1.5% Mediterranean on average
https://www.guampedia.com/chamorro-dna-studies-and-the-origin-of-the-chamorro-people/

The average amount for the 12 Indonesian, Thais, and Cambodians was 1.3% (South/Central Asian and European combined). But this is a small sample, I'll admit.

Before anyone says "23andme doesn't look at ancient admixture, only recent" Yeah, I highly doubt all those Filipinos with South Asian ancestry have recent South Asian. The Philippines' South Asian influenced ended more than 700 years ago. All that South/Central Asian is ancient ancestry and it's spread throughout most of the population.

Lol 23andme is not accurate at all. Its category is very stupid lmao. You have to use Gedmatch or Global 25 to know the actual amount of South Asian
admixture.

I can post various Gedmatch results that shows Philipinos have very little South Asian compared to most SE Asians and you won't be able to refute it lol.

Btw Filos don't have the most Caucasoid admixture in SE Asia, its the Burmese and Thai who have them. If the question was who have the most European admixture, Pinoys will win.

Filos have only 1-5% Caucasoid on average, while Burmese, Thais and Malays can have around 8-10% or more for the most part.

[Maguzanci]

Lol those who choose Filipinos don't know what they are talking about. Do you just choose Filos because of their connection with Spaniards and the New World?

If the question was who has the most European admixture, Pinoys will win. But here, the answer is clearly Burmese, Thai followed by Malays.

[GaneshD'Souza]

They're talking to this mestizo in Tagalog as if he's just a regular Filipino (which he is)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhddJvNgwCw
You can also hear him replying back in some Tagalog mixed with English in the second half of the video. That's how wealthy Filipinos (regardless of ethnicity) talk. The most integrated Euro-Asians are definitely in the Philippines. Other Asians would see a white foreigner. Filipinos just see a Filipino

[KuakoVoice]

They're talking to this mestizo in Tagalog as if he's just a regular Filipino (which he is)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhddJvNgwCw
You can also hear him replying back in some Tagalog mixed with English in the second half of the video. That's how wealthy Filipinos (regardless of ethnicity) talk. The most integrated Euro-Asians are definitely in the Philippines. Other Asians would see a white foreigner. Filipinos just see a Filipino

Nope.Indonesia also is accepting of it's mixed race Caucasian people too and they even have and had their own communities called "Indos".

[Laredo]

Filipinos are negroes even american amerindians have way more Caucasian admixture then them.

Getting back to the question I would say without a doubt Singaporeans.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTTWOF8gfM8X4ZrrpXz2QsvuyWZjYr HKIxqhyfo9Gy6SwVNtW4E

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQD8P2j_COUgEPXlFIPhSfcKPe0__W eT-NWD7pTbXpN6vUMoOCh

Damn I was brutal:rotfl:rotfl

[Khinerai]

Lol how is Philippines, not in the running, we have entire families in the Philippines who are of mostly European ancestry, like the Aboitiz, Ugarte, Ayala, Elizalde families