What do you think her ethnicity is based on her GEDMatch results?

[DontFxxkWithWendy]

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.04
2 Baltic 23.53
3 West_Med 14.27
4 East_Med 9.93
5 West_Asian 4.61
6 Red_Sea 2.09
7 Oceanian 0.85
8 Siberian 0.71
9 South_Asian 0.66
10 Sub-Saharan 0.31

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 2.94
2 South_Dutch 3.6
3 French 7.28
4 Southeast_English 8.01
5 Austrian 8.12
6 North_German 8.28
7 Danish 9.59
8 North_Dutch 9.66
9 East_German 9.86
10 Orcadian 9.96
11 Southwest_English 10.12
12 Irish 11.21
13 West_Scottish 11.54
14 Norwegian 11.82
15 Swedish 12.05
16 Hungarian 12.18
17 Spanish_Cataluna 14.93
18 North_Swedish 15.29
19 Serbian 15.67
20 Portuguese 15.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67% Swedish + 33% Tuscan @ 2.39
2 67.5% Norwegian + 32.5% Tuscan @ 2.4
3 67% Southeast_English + 33% Serbian @ 2.46
4 62.2% Swedish + 37.8% North_Italian @ 2.49
5 71% Southeast_English + 29% Romanian @ 2.54
6 73.9% Southeast_English + 26.1% Bulgarian @ 2.56
7 81.4% North_Dutch + 18.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.65
8 78.9% North_Dutch + 21.1% Ashkenazi @ 2.66
9 72.2% Danish + 27.8% Tuscan @ 2.66
10 69% French + 31% North_Swedish @ 2.67
11 78% Norwegian + 22% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.69
12 72.3% Norwegian + 27.7% West_Sicilian @ 2.73
13 96.2% West_German + 3.8% Belorussian @ 2.74
14 72.1% North_Dutch + 27.9% Tuscan @ 2.74
15 95.3% West_German + 4.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.75
16 96.6% West_German + 3.4% East_Finnish @ 2.75
17 96.3% West_German + 3.7% Finnish @ 2.76
18 96.4% West_German + 3.6% Estonian_Polish @ 2.76
19 96.5% West_German + 3.5% La_Brana-1 @ 2.76
20 98.4% West_German + 1.6% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.77

Oracle-4

1 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.573929
2 North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.922226
3 Danish + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.982031
4 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 2.046379
5 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 2.126238
6 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Sicilian @ 2.150736
7 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Sicilian @ 2.152887
8 North_German + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 2.161693
9 North_Swedish + South_Dutch + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.179322
10 North_Swedish + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 2.190671
11 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Sicilian @ 2.191240
12 North_Dutch + North_Swedish + South_Dutch + Tuscan @ 2.211477
13 North_Swedish + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Tuscan @ 2.234977
14 North_Swedish + Tuscan + West_German + West_Scottish @ 2.249393
15 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Sicilian @ 2.252336
16 North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + West_Sicilian @ 2.268924
17 North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Southwest_English + West_Sicilian @ 2.271161
18 Danish + North_Swedish + South_Dutch + Tuscan @ 2.295803
19 North_Italian + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.310289
20 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.325768

J-Test

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 25.50
2 ATLANTIC 24.05
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 13.92
4 WEST_MED 11.53
5 EAST_MED 9.94
6 EAST_EURO 8.71
7 WEST_ASIAN 2.72
8 ASHKENAZI 1.63
9 MIDDLE_EASTERN 1.51

Eurogenes K36

Amerindian -
Arabian 3.74 Pct
Armenian 2.85 Pct
Basque 3.14 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 5.00 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.27 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 8.94 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 0.15 Pct
Fennoscandian 10.88 Pct
French 7.22 Pct
Iberian 9.87 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 8.14 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 16.55 Pct
North_Caucasian 1.92 Pct
North_Sea 15.24 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.15 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 2.94 Pct

Dodecad V3

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 47.17
2 Mediterranean 25.03
3 East_European 13.01
4 West_Asian 8.74
5 Southwest_Asian 4.92
6 Northeast_Asian 0.5
7 South_Asian 0.42
8 Palaeo_African 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 CEU (HapMap) 7.41
2 N._European (Xing) 7.42
3 German (Dodecad) 7.57
4 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 8.87
5 Orcadian (HGDP) 9.39
6 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 9.65
7 Slovenian (Xing) 11.18
8 French (Dodecad) 12.73
9 French (HGDP) 12.74
10 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 14.02
11 Dutch (Dodecad) 15.37
12 Hungarians (Behar) 15.59
13 Kent (1000 Genomes) 17.58
14 British_Isles (Dodecad) 19.24
15 British (Dodecad) 19.37
16 Cornwall (1000 Genomes) 19.93
17 Swedish (Dodecad) 20.39
18 Norwegian (Dodecad) 21.88
19 Irish (Dodecad) 22
20 Tuscan (Henn) 22.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.1% German (Dodecad) + 24.9% Tuscan (Henn) @ 2.04
2 83.9% German (Dodecad) + 16.1% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.25
3 75.5% German (Dodecad) + 24.5% TSI (HapMap) @ 2.31
4 81.6% German (Dodecad) + 18.4% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.31
5 85.7% German (Dodecad) + 14.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.39
6 81% German (Dodecad) + 19% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.47
7 78.9% N._European (Xing) + 21.1% Romanians_14 (Behar) @ 2.58
8 84.2% German (Dodecad) + 15.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.62
9 88.1% German (Dodecad) + 11.9% Samaritians (Behar) @ 2.72
10 79.7% German (Dodecad) + 20.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.74
11 82.5% German (Dodecad) + 17.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.86
12 88% German (Dodecad) + 12% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.9
13 85.5% German (Dodecad) + 14.5% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.92
14 85% German (Dodecad) + 15% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.96
15 78.7% N._European (Xing) + 21.3% Balkans (Dodecad) @ 2.98
16 87.8% German (Dodecad) + 12.2% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 3.03
17 88.1% German (Dodecad) + 11.9% Jordanians_19 (Behar) @ 3.03
18 89.1% CEU (HapMap) + 10.9% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 3.06
19 87.9% German (Dodecad) + 12.1% Lebanese (Behar) @ 3.07
20 88.3% German (Dodecad) + 11.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 3

Oracle-4

1 Hungarians_Behar + Norwegian_Dodecad + Tuscan_Henn + N._European_Xing @ 1.773902
2 FIN_1000Genomes + French_Dodecad + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Swedish_Dodecad @ 1.805474
3 Balkans_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + Tuscan_Henn @ 1.924060
4 German_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + Tuscan_Henn + Slovenian_Xing @ 1.928416
5 Hungarians_Behar + Swedish_Dodecad + Tuscan_Henn + N._European_Xing @ 1.931074
6 FIN_1000Genomes + French_HGDP + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Swedish_Dodecad @ 1.967973
7 Swedish_Dodecad + Tuscan_Henn + N._European_Xing + Slovenian_Xing @ 2.049141
8 Hungarians_Behar + Norwegian_Dodecad + N._European_Xing + Tuscan_Xing @ 2.066434
9 Hungarians_Behar + Norwegian_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.073740
10 CEU_HapMap + Swedish_Dodecad + Tuscan_Henn + Slovenian_Xing @ 2.080684
11 Balkans_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + Swedish_Dodecad + Tuscan_Henn @ 2.085634
12 Hungarians_Behar + Norwegian_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.111517
13 Hungarians_Behar + Norwegian_Dodecad + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Swedish_Dodecad @ 2.125960
14 British_Dodecad + FIN_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.172445
15 CEU_HapMap + Hungarians_Behar + Norwegian_Dodecad + Tuscan_Henn @ 2.181155
16 Balkans_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + Tuscan_Xing @ 2.192609
17 German_Dodecad + German_Dodecad + German_Dodecad + Tuscan_Henn @ 2.220646
18 Hungarians_Behar + Norwegian_Dodecad + TSI_HapMap + N._European_Xing @ 2.220687
19 German_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + Slovenian_Xing + Tuscan_Xing @ 2.225334
20 Cornwall_1000 Genomes + FIN_1000Genomes + German_Dodecad + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.225700

[xripkan]

German

[Matxe92]

Swiss, french, belgian.

[DontFxxkWithWendy]

I’ll give you guys a hint: she’s mixed. Not fully German.

[Dorian]

Half German/Half Greek

[Csanád]

Central European + German, probably Hungarian

[xripkan]

Half East German/Half French maybe?

[Luke35]

Half East German/Half French maybe?

Yeah, I agree. Or perhaps North German/French?

[itilvolga]

Half German Half Italian, imo.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Flemish or Wallon ?

[Oghuz]

German and French

[Kaspias]

British, Alpine German

[Luke35]

British, Alpine German

This is a good guess. My mother has German ancestry from the German Alpine regions, also NW Germany, and a full British Isles great-grandparent. Here is her K13 result, not exactly the same as the op but close. So the op can be a German/British combination.

North_Atlantic 45.35 Pct
Baltic 23.78 Pct
West_Med 13.84 Pct
West_Asian 6.36 Pct
East_Med 7.26 Pct
Red_Sea 1.09 Pct
South_Asian 1.07 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.11 Pct
Amerindian 0.13 Pct
Oceanian 0.36 Pct
Northeast_African 0.29 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.36 Pct

[xripkan]

Yeah, I agree. Or perhaps North German/French?

At K15 PCA she plots in the middle of French and East German. She seems she has a little of eastern Europe.

[alnortedelsur]

German/Northern Italian

[DontFxxkWithWendy]

This is a good guess. My mother has German ancestry from the German Alpine regions, also NW Germany, and a full British Isles great-grandparent. Here is her K13 result, not exactly the same as the op but close. So the op can be a German/British combination.

North_Atlantic 45.35 Pct
Baltic 23.78 Pct
West_Med 13.84 Pct
West_Asian 6.36 Pct
East_Med 7.26 Pct
Red_Sea 1.09 Pct
South_Asian 1.07 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.11 Pct
Amerindian 0.13 Pct
Oceanian 0.36 Pct
Northeast_African 0.29 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.36 Pct

Hey, that’s really close to her kit! What does she get on Dodecad and K36?

[Smaug]

German, North Italian, French.

[DontFxxkWithWendy]

Thanks for the replies, everyone! As far as I know, she’s German, Scots-Irish, English and may have a Sephardic Jewish great grandparent due to her matches and the high Arab admixture in her calculators. (She’s mostly colonial American though, from the Virginia/Maryland area!!!)

[Luke35]

Thanks for the replies, everyone! As far as I know, she’s German, Scots-Irish, English and may have a Sephardic Jewish great grandparent due to her matches and the high Arab admixture in her calculators. (She’s mostly colonial American though, from the Virginia/Maryland area!!!)

She has that little boost to her East Med and Red Sea, so there is likely something like Sephardic at great-grandparent level. Also, her North Sea is a few % lower than I would expect for a German/British Isles mix. I will post my mom's Gedmatch scores a bit later when I am at my computer.

[DontFxxkWithWendy]

That’s what I was thinking too. I’m not one of those ‘Cherokee princess’ people but I definitely think based on what I’m seeing, she is ⅛ Sephardic. (This was my aunt’s kit by the way.) She, my dad and paternal grandpa are both fairly dark and resemble a lot of western Sephardim. Not sure exactly which great grandparent it was but I do know there were Sephardim who came to the colonies, especially Virginia, from Portugal, England and the Caribbean.

Thanks for your input!!!

[Luke35]

Hey, that’s really close to her kit! What does she get on Dodecad and K36?

Here is Eurogenes K36 and Dodecad V3 for my Mom. I can see that your aunt has a Southwest Asian component in Dodecad that my mother lacks, and Arabian and Armenian in K36 that my mother lacks as well. Otherwise they are pretty similar, at least from my quick look.

Eurogenes K36
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 0.74
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.22
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 5.85
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 6.19
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 4.02
Fennoscandian 6.17
French 9.11
Iberian 16.99
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 9.50
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 15.59
North_Caucasian 4.07
North_Sea 14.55
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -



Dodecad V3
# Population Percent
1 West_European 49.26
2 Mediterranean 27.93
3 East_European 11.53
4 West_Asian 9.01
5 South_Asian 1.58
6 East_African 0.35
7 Southwest_Asian 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 CEU (HapMap) 5.02
2 N._European (Xing) 6.84
3 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 7.07
4 Orcadian (HGDP) 7.12
5 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 7.52
6 German (Dodecad) 8.28
7 French (HGDP) 9.44
8 French (Dodecad) 9.57
9 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 12.41
10 Dutch (Dodecad) 13.39
11 Slovenian (Xing) 13.7
12 Kent (1000 Genomes) 15.49
13 British_Isles (Dodecad) 17.35
14 British (Dodecad) 17.43
15 Hungarians (Behar) 17.62
16 Cornwall (1000 Genomes) 17.96
17 Irish (Dodecad) 20.35
18 French_Basque (HGDP) 20.36
19 Swedish (Dodecad) 20.45
20 Portuguese (Dodecad) 20.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.9% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 16.1% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.51
2 88.9% CEU (HapMap) + 11.1% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.53
3 84.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 15.3% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.54
4 81.3% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 18.7% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.92
5 89.6% CEU (HapMap) + 10.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.95
6 90% CEU (HapMap) + 10% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.98
7 76.3% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 23.7% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.99
8 87.9% CEU (HapMap) + 12.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.04
9 85.5% Orcadian (HGDP) + 14.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.06
10 89.4% CEU (HapMap) + 10.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.11
11 84.7% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 15.3% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.13
12 85.8% CEU (HapMap) + 14.2% Romanians_14 (Behar) @ 2.14
13 86.7% CEU (HapMap) + 13.3% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 2.16
14 85.1% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 14.9% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.17
15 85.6% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 14.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.18
16 86% CEU (HapMap) + 14% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.19
17 86% Orcadian (HGDP) + 14% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.21
18 83.2% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 16.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.24
19 85.3% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 14.7% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.27
20 92.2% CEU (HapMap) + 7.8% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.3

[Lucas]

Flemish or Wallon ?

German + British

[PaleoEuropean]

Pretty much accurate, I am mostly Norman and Saxon historically Orkney is Scand-Gael, I have a lot of continental German recently bred in and some Irish too. those are single populations but I can trace my ancestry on paper to to all of them. I am father Europe.

1 Southeast_English 3.14
2 Southwest_English 3.44
3 Orcadian 5.03
4 West_Scottish 5.31
5 Irish 5.54
6 South_Dutch 6.03
7 North_Dutch 6.59
8 Danish 6.98
9 West_German 7.4
10 North_German 8.08
11 Norwegian 9.07
12 French 10.03
13 Swedish 11.4
14 Austrian 14.63
15 East_German 15.6
16 Spanish_Cataluna 16.53
17 North_Swedish 17.27
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.83
19 Southwest_French 18.04
20 Spanish_Cantabria 18.29

[Zeus]

I would've guessed German-italian

[waam]

Do you have her commercial test results? Would be interesting to see.

[DontFxxkWithWendy]

She got all German, British and Irish on AncestryDNA, with a trace of Swedish ancestry. I’m Sephardic on my mom’s side so I was really surprised my paternal aunt had Sephardic matches too, as well as high Arab scores on GEDMatch. Oh well...

[Coastal Elite]

I thought she might be from southern Germany.

[KuriousKatKommittee]

I’m not one of those ‘Cherokee princess’ people but I definitely think based on what I’m seeing, she is ⅛ Sephardic.She, my dad and paternal grandpa are both fairly dark and resemble a lot of western Sephardim. Not sure exactly which great grandparent it was but I do know there were Sephardim who came to the colonies, especially Virginia, from Portugal, England and the Caribbean.

(She’s mostly colonial American though, from the Virginia/Maryland area!!!)
This doesn't sound nearly as implausible as you thought it did.

I do know there were Sephardim who came to the colonies

[I]n Colonial times Sephardim made up the majority of the Jewish population. (Wiki)

[...]

In addition to Crypto-Jews in modern Mexico, the history of colonial Mexico extends to the claims of families in the Southwest United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_United_States) to be descended from Sephardic Jews escaping the Mexican Inquisition with some making a connection to the Crypto-Jewish settlers of the New Kingdom of León. Their claims are controversial with academics both supporting and debunking these claims.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Mexico#cite_note-mcarroll-7) (Wiki)

Sephardi Conversos and Marranos once inhabited the Old World 2.0, including what was the Thirteenth Colonies. Based on your wild conjecture I concocted my very own wild hypothesis just for f*n: Supposing they impacted the area economically (which they did, look it up) and genetically (assimilation into future upper and upper-middle colonial American society is a given if you succeed at the former) although leaving less of a cultural footprint there than they did in Spanish- and Portuguese-speaking places still gives you a typical ethnolinguistic outcome, resembling the case of Turkic Bulgars in Europe c. 900 who despite being numerous dropped their customs and language for the dominant language of the area like Sephardim did, potentially, a trend Mestizo Americans replicate today.

To really drive this motherfucking home, let's also factor in how unlikely or uncommon it really was for Native Americans to genetically contribute to Southern society enough to materialize "them residual Injun traits" in an average Southerner. The tight grip WASP government had on Southern society using social engineering methods societies of all colors, genders, and shapes in all points of history used, e.g. one-drop rule, castration, religion, expulsion, and bans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws_in_the_United_States#Laws_overt urned_on_12_June_1967_by_Loving_v._Virginia), practically shoots down the theory narrated through old family tales and deepest lore featuring "mythic encounters" with "dark and mysterious Native American strangers" contemporary descendants of that society romanticize either to honor clueless dead relatives by innocuously parroting one of many middle-class amateur genealogy memes passed down for generations like a particularly aggressive strain of STI or hit that plausible deniability sweet spot about their German dark brown hair to optionally retcon a new Elizabeth Warren storyline for brownie (lel) points. If Sephardim were already entrenched in the area (which they were) it is to be expected they left a trace in the native Southern WASP genepool exactly in the form of "grandparent's mysterious Injun looks," including individuals as diverse as Virginia native Chris Chan (https://theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?300952) ("Ashkenazi/Iberian," that Chris has an infinitesimal amount of, is a typical proxy match for Sephardi ancestry).

I had an epiphany about this in a dream and don't care whether this was already researched or not. I am bringing this to the table because I chuckled at the idea of boomers' favorite past time game "Spot the Nonexisting Amerindian Ancestor In Your Family Tree" being the next big plausibly crypto-Sephardi thing since seemingly stereotypically British fish and chips (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescado_frito).

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