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Thambi
05-27-2019, 11:23 PM
Kerala Paniya Tribal film director Leela Santhosh. Paniyas have the most AASI in the subcontinent.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNziamPFZa8

https://www.thenewsminute.com/sites/default/files/styles/news_detail/public/leela_santhosh.jpg?itok=fUIDTtg8
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https://img.manoramaonline.com/content/dam/mm/en/entertainment/interview/images/2018/Jul/8/leela-interview-2.jpg
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Maguzanci
05-28-2019, 03:41 AM
Sje kän bas āz blaque au triracial un Brésil and Dominicano Republique.

Mébi kud pas âz une som Pacifique Islan asvelt.

Most AASI but definitli not the least ANI.

Borealis
05-28-2019, 03:47 AM
Yeah its weird some of these tribals are so AASI shifted that they almost look they could pass as something other than Indian.

Thambi
05-28-2019, 04:21 AM
Sje kän bas āz blaque au triracial un Brésil and Dominicano Republique.

Mébi kud pas âz une som Pacifique Islan asvelt.

Most AASI but definitli not the least ANI.

yeah you're right. Paniyas come out as 75% AASI (the highest in the all of south asia but with decent amount of west eurasian at 25%)

"Paniya:Average",
"fit": 1.4553,
"Simulated_AASI": 75,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 19.17,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 5,
"Han": 0.83,

Bonda:Average", (although not a great fit, we can see how east eurasian bondas are on average with barely 10% west eurasian)
"fit": 4.6921,
"Simulated_AASI": 65.83,
"Han": 25,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 4.17,

Maguzanci
05-28-2019, 05:01 AM
yeah you're right. Paniyas come out as 75% AASI (the highest in the all of south asia but with decent amount of west eurasian at 25%)

"Paniya:Average",
"fit": 1.4553,
"Simulated_AASI": 75,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 19.17,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 5,
"Han": 0.83,

Bonda:Average", (although not a great fit, we can see how east eurasian bondas are on average with barely 10% west eurasian)
"fit": 4.6921,
"Simulated_AASI": 65.83,
"Han": 25,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 4.17,

Bonda and Juang are literally the reversed or East Eurasian version of the Baloch/Brahui/Makrani lol (those have very low AASI).

Here is the lowest ANI/Western shifted Bonda sample (unfortunately there are only three individuals, which there were more), which is Bonda:ORI34

This Bonda sample can score slight less than 10% ANI/West Eurasian (around 7-8%). The second fit model is better though.

"sample": "Bonda:ORI34",
"fit": 2.1456,
"Simulated_AASI--By_Matt <span class='additionalDetail' title=':; Country:India; Ydna:; Mtdna:'><i class="fa fa-info-circle"></i></span>": 64.17,
"LAO_LN_BA_Averaged": 28.33,
"IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N_Averaged": 7.5,
"closestDistances": [
"Simulated_AASI--By_Matt:Simulated_AASI--By_Matt: 12.58583",
"LAO_LN_BA_Averaged:Averaged: 27.88733",
"IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N_Averaged:Averaged: 44.66518"

"sample": "Bonda:ORI34",
"fit": 1.7865,
"Simulated_AASI--By_Matt <span class='additionalDetail' title=':; Country:India; Ydna:; Mtdna:'><i class="fa fa-info-circle"></i></span>": 63.33,
"LAO_LN_BA_Averaged": 28.33,
"TJK_Sarazm_Eneolithic_Averaged": 8.33,
"closestDistances": [
"Simulated_AASI--By_Matt:Simulated_AASI--By_Matt: 12.58583",
"LAO_LN_BA_Averaged:Averaged: 27.88733",
"TJK_Sarazm_Eneolithic_Averaged:Averaged: 43.38315"

These numbers are pretty incredible, most South Asians can't score as very low ANI as this.

Maguzanci
05-28-2019, 05:18 AM
yeah you're right. Paniyas come out as 75% AASI (the highest in the all of south asia but with decent amount of west eurasian at 25%)

"Paniya:Average",
"fit": 1.4553,
"Simulated_AASI": 75,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 19.17,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 5,
"Han": 0.83,

Bonda:Average", (although not a great fit, we can see how east eurasian bondas are on average with barely 10% west eurasian)
"fit": 4.6921,
"Simulated_AASI": 65.83,
"Han": 25,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 4.17,

Wait, actually this is the lowest ANI/Western model you can make for the Paniya and Bonda (This is what I learn from DMXX on Anthrogenica and then decide to apply on my own): https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?17080-Global-K25-models-for-the-Mundas-of-India-Part-1-Bonda-and-Juang&p=569281&viewfull=1#post569281

"sample": "Paniya:Average",
"fit": 2.2711,
"Simulated_AASI_South_by_DMXX_Averaged": 79.17,
"TKM_Parkhai_Eneolithic_Averaged": 14.17,
"Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX_Averaged": 5.83,
"LAO_LN_BA_Averaged": 0.83,
"closestDistances": [
"Simulated_AASI_South_by_DMXX_Averaged:Averaged: 6.047694",
"Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX_Averaged:Averaged: 31.967210",
"TKM_Parkhai_Eneolithic_Averaged:Averaged: 38.465358",
"LAO_LN_BA_Averaged:Averaged: 40.272991"
]

"sample": "Bonda:Average",
"fit": 1.8633,
"Simulated_AASI_South_by_DMXX_Averaged": 58.33,
"LAO_LN_BA_Averaged": 32.5,
"Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX_Averaged": 5.83,
"TKM_Parkhai_Eneolithic_Averaged": 3.33,
"closestDistances": [
"Simulated_AASI_South_by_DMXX_Averaged:Averaged: 12.14801",
"LAO_LN_BA_Averaged:Averaged: 27.57428",
"Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX_Averaged:Averaged: 37.22324",
"TKM_Parkhai_Eneolithic_Averaged:Averaged: 44.74622"

Paniya and Bonda are now only around 14% and 3% West Eurasian lol.

Maguzanci
05-28-2019, 05:46 AM
I feel she can also pass easily in Maluku, Sumba, Flores, Timor in Eastern Indonesia lol.

Maguzanci
05-28-2019, 06:04 AM
yeah you're right. Paniyas come out as 75% AASI (the highest in the all of south asia but with decent amount of west eurasian at 25%)

"Paniya:Average",
"fit": 1.4553,
"Simulated_AASI": 75,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 19.17,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 5,
"Han": 0.83,

Bonda:Average", (although not a great fit, we can see how east eurasian bondas are on average with barely 10% west eurasian)
"fit": 4.6921,
"Simulated_AASI": 65.83,
"Han": 25,
"TKM_Gonur1_BA": 5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 4.17,

Sorry for off topic.

It is interesting how very little Western affinity this Bonda boy from Orissa would likely have despite him still looking very South Asian (with significant SE Asian influence of course): https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?289580-Can-this-tribal-boy-pass-in-SE-Asia-Guess-classify

https://i.imgur.com/hsxgS3f.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Y5QYo2X.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/yfnapfm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/vXRU4Nw.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/C2bruMS.jpg

I guess it shows pheno does not equal genotype. Also I think it shows one can still look very South Asian if he/she has significant amounts of AASI despite having very little/barely having Western admix.

Thambi
05-28-2019, 06:15 AM
Sorry for off topic.

It is interesting how very little Western affinity this Bonda boy from Orissa would likely have despite him still looking very South Asian (with significant SE Asian influence of course): https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?289580-Can-this-tribal-boy-pass-in-SE-Asia-Guess-classify

https://i.imgur.com/hsxgS3f.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Y5QYo2X.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/yfnapfm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/vXRU4Nw.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/C2bruMS.jpg

I guess it shows pheno does not equal genotype. Also I think it shows one can still look very South Asian if he/she has significant amounts of AASI despite having very little/barely having Western admix.

Yes i completely agree with you. AASI is the very reason why south asians look different from all surrounding populations. Not just genotype, but such phenos were in abundance before west eurasian migrations and the caste system further made such features to reproduce. Even many regular castes have people that look like him.

Zroota
05-28-2019, 06:56 AM
Veddid

turbosat
05-28-2019, 07:36 AM
Yeah its weird some of these tribals are so AASI shifted that they almost look they could pass as something other than Indian.

What else could they pass as apart from Indian?

Truth Preacher
05-28-2019, 07:49 AM
What else could they pass as apart from Indian?

Negrito influenced SE Asians maybe ?

Thambi
05-28-2019, 08:04 AM
I've seen many typical south indians that look like her. She doesnt look foreign to my eyes tbh.

turbosat
05-28-2019, 08:22 AM
I've seen many typical south indians that look like her. She doesnt look foreign to my eyes tbh.

Perhaps she is a little mixed with non-Paniya?

These are Paniya. Do they pass easily among typical South Indians? I dont think many S Indians in UK are as AASI shifted in appearance as these Paniya.

https://www.thebetterindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/PANIYA-TRIBES.jpg

https://dispatchfromtheplantunderground.files.wordpress.co m/2010/11/paniya2bfriends.jpg

Maguzanci
05-28-2019, 11:01 AM
Negrito influenced SE Asians maybe ?

I think they might pass in some Pacific Islands and parts of Eastern Indonesia like Flores, Sumba, Timor, Maluku.

Maguzanci
05-28-2019, 11:03 AM
What else could they pass as apart from Indian?

Maybe among some Pacific Islanders and some Eastern Indonesians like Timor, Sumba, Flores?

rajputprincess
05-28-2019, 11:24 AM
Look south indian

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Maguzanci
05-31-2019, 06:35 AM
Kerala Paniya Tribal film director Leela Santhosh. Paniyas have the most AASI in the subcontinent.



Im wondering can the OP's phenotype give sort of an idea what the AASI might look like. But she [likely] has at least 25% Western blood, so 100% AASI probably look sort of like her, but 10x times darker and with much more exotic features.

Btw, this Orissa politician is also an ethnic Bonda and it is surprising that he has very little Western affinity compared to the OP despite his pheno. In some pics he still gives South Asian vibes but in other pics he looks almost Black/ very Negrito-ish: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?290437-Does-he-look-Black-Where-can-he-pass

aherne
10-05-2019, 02:24 PM
She can very easily pass as Papuan. Almost all Paniyas, in fact, being Australoid in features, can pass as Papuans to some extent or another... Before modern times, where caucasoid influence from other indians started to appear, Paniyas looked like this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/CTSI-shl.jpg/220px-CTSI-shl.jpg

Australians with a little white admixture (like guy from left) look textbook dalit:

https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2019/3/15/ba65db13db87407ea0b31e73a0823fd9_18.jpg