Gedmatch results, very mixed. Help to find a theme?

[migrec]

Hey,
I've been doing all these tests on Gedmatch but I'm very mixed, not sure what to believe. So I need help from you guys who know more, to find a theme or migrational pattern or just a label of some sort.

Results from some tests that I found to be common:

puntDNAL K15

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 33.08
2 Mediterranean 28.27
3 Caucasian 23.44
4 SW_Asian 7.16
5 Siberian 4.00
6 E_Asian 2.15
7 Horn_Of_Africa 1.05

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 9.100450
2 Greek_Central @ 9.546458
3 Albanian @ 12.455770
4 Bulgarian @ 12.548316
5 Macedonian @ 12.624567
6 Montenegrin @ 12.785518
7 Bosnian @ 12.807811
8 Tuscan @ 13.207303
9 Romanian @ 13.225807
10 Italian @ 14.477324
11 Serbian @ 18.015093
12 Ashkenazy_Jew @ 18.302460
13 Sicilian @ 19.970444
14 Brazilian @ 21.248941
15 Sephardic_Jew @ 22.053617
16 Croatian @ 23.089270
17 French @ 23.365810
18 Portuguese @ 23.383753
19 Spaniard @ 23.850653
20 South_German @ 25.017082

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% Turk_Kayseri @ 4.151053


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English +25% Nogai +25% Druze @ 2.394137


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++
1 Chuvash + Romanian + Albanian + Armenian @ 1.783908
2 Austrian + Chuvash + Sicilian + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.798376
3 Austrian + Chuvash + Sephardic_Jew + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.832118
4 Chuvash + Montenegrin + Albanian + Armenian @ 1.849744
5 Chuvash + Romanian + Tuscan + Armenian @ 1.866077
6 Chuvash + Croatian + Sicilian + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.897543
7 Chuvash + Bulgarian + Albanian + Armenian @ 1.901156
8 Hungarian + Chuvash + Sicilian + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.915511
9 Chuvash + Romanian + Greek_Thessaly + Assyrian @ 1.920840
10 Chuvash + Montenegrin + Greek_Thessaly + Armenian @ 1.929167
11 Chuvash + Bosnian + Albanian + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.945914
12 Mordovian + Montenegrin + Nogai + Cypriot @ 1.949831
13 Chuvash + Croatian + Ashkenazy_Jew + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.955048
14 Chuvash + Bulgarian + Tuscan + Armenian @ 1.994938
15 Mordovian + Romanian + Nogai + Cypriot @ 1.995075
16 Austrian + Chuvash + Ashkenazy_Jew + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.025316
17 Chuvash + Macedonian + Tuscan + Armenian @ 2.033302
18 Chuvash + Romanian + Greek_Central + Assyrian @ 2.033644
19 Finnish + Montenegrin + Nogai + Cypriot @ 2.038873
20 Chuvash + Romanian + Greek_Thessaly + Armenian @ 2.040050

EUtest V2 K15

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 19.15
2 East_Med 15.72
3 North_Sea 14.87
4 Baltic 14.29
5 West_Med 14.04
6 Eastern_Euro 8.75
7 Atlantic 5.91
8 Siberian 3.39
9 Southeast_Asian 1.94

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 13.308725
2 Greek_Thessaly @ 13.556558
3 Romanian @ 13.717291
4 Greek @ 16.389791
5 Serbian @ 17.648663
6 Central_Greek @ 18.341799
7 Ashkenazi @ 18.432709
8 Moldavian @ 18.981525
9 Italian_Abruzzo @ 19.650608
10 East_Sicilian @ 19.941191
11 Tuscan @ 21.667765
12 South_Italian @ 22.615488
13 Croatian @ 23.133312
14 West_Sicilian @ 23.394619
15 Hungarian @ 23.422813
16 Nogay @ 24.882902
17 North_Italian @ 24.897722
18 Turkish @ 25.270651
19 Austrian @ 25.487583
20 Turkmen @ 26.247683

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +50% Ukrainian @ 8.608781


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% Ossetian +25% Ukrainian @ 6.462968


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++
1 Balkar + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian @ 6.308067
2 Balkar + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.335225
3 Balkar + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian @ 6.398928
4 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ossetian + Ukrainian @ 6.462968
5 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Kabardin + Moldavian @ 6.561030
6 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ossetian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.562790
7 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Kabardin + Ukrainian @ 6.665989
8 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Kabardin + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.666472
9 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Kumyk + Moldavian @ 6.686389
10 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Kumyk + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.716695
11 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Kumyk + Ukrainian @ 6.716850
12 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Ossetian + Ukrainian @ 6.736650
13 Adygei + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian @ 6.845861
14 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Ossetian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.852022
15 Georgian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian @ 6.883029
16 Balkar + Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian @ 6.885540
17 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Lezgin + Moldavian @ 6.900002
18 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + Ossetian @ 6.900391
19 Adygei + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.905792
20 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + North_Ossetian @ 6.910225

Dodecad K12b

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 27.16
2 North_European 26.36
3 Atlantic_Med 21.88
4 Gedrosia 11.54
5 Southwest_Asian 7.53
6 Siberian 4.27
7 East_Asian 1.23

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 13.016917
2 Romanians_Behar @ 14.017159
3 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 14.437938
4 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 14.571446
5 Greek_Dodecad @ 16.503983
6 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 18.702629
7 Tuscan_HGDP @ 19.748373
8 TSI30_Metspalu @ 20.003790
9 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 21.226528
10 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 21.370134
11 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 21.498705
12 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 21.652184
13 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 22.046511
14 North_Italian_HGDP @ 24.512291
15 Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 25.351490
16 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 26.771702
17 Hungarians_Behar @ 26.869982
18 Turkish_Dodecad @ 27.253607
19 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 28.341478
20 Turks_Behar @ 28.753548

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Dodecad +50% Turks_Behar @ 3.719635


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% C_Italian_Dodecad +25% Mordovians_Yunusbayev +25% Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 3.325225


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + N_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.771634
2 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + O_Italian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu @ 1.815442
3 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + North_Italian_HGDP + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.026588
4 C_Italian_Dodecad + Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + N_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.042376
5 Iranian_Jews_Behar + Kumyks_Yunusbayev + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes + Russian_HGDP @ 2.095374
6 Cantabria_1000Genomes + Kurds_Yunusbayev + Russian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad @ 2.101482
7 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + O_Italian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 2.124260
8 Iraq_Jews_Behar + North_Ossetians_Yunusbayev + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes + Russian_HGDP @ 2.160622
9 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + N_Italian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 2.170388
10 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu @ 2.177847
11 Kurds_Yunusbayev + Russian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad + Valencia_1000Genomes @ 2.179176
12 Kurds_Yunusbayev + Russian_HGDP + Spaniards_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad @ 2.214828
13 Balkars_Yunusbayev + Iraq_Jews_Behar + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes + Russian_HGDP @ 2.237448
14 Aragon_1000Genomes + Kurds_Yunusbayev + Russian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad @ 2.238649
15 Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes + Russian_HGDP + Turks_Behar + Turks_Behar @ 2.300377
16 Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes + Kurds_Yunusbayev + Russian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad @ 2.300920
17 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + O_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.305076
18 Cantabria_1000Genomes + Kurd_Dodecad + Russian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad @ 2.308912
19 Iraq_Jews_Behar + Kumyks_Yunusbayev + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes @ 2.309862
20 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.319383


Please do tell if you want me to do other tests, so, other than the obvious visible results I have been wondering over some of it. I am born in Turkey with my mother's side being mostly from Balkans, serb & macedonian (FYROM) who moved to Turkey late, like mid 1900's. I know nothing about my dads side, mom says there might be bulgarian there but not sure how much.

!WARNING! My own thoughts below, since I'm not well read about races in general, excuse my unknowledge.

There is a lot of greek and some italian which is more distant - does that simply mean roman?
There is a lot of caucasian too, all of those seem to be turkic/bulgar people e.g. chuvash, balkar, kabardino, kumyk. Looking at distance to modern racial admixtures & countries it goes like this Caucasia -> Ukraine -> Moldova -> Romania -> Bulgaria - does this mean that I have bulgar DNA? like proto-bulgar turkic? if so, shouldn't I have higher Central Asian DNA or are bulgars closer to scythians?

Grateful for your expertise or just thoughts & questions :)

[migrec]

Should maybe have added Eurogenes K13 too...

88495

Anyone? Need a label of some sort since I got no info about my dad.

[Crimson Winds]

do you have Balkan and Kavkaz ancestry?

[Ayetooey]

Your basically a balkan slav/anatolian mix. Very low chink; but high west asian. Post Dodecad K7b and eurogenes k13.

[migrec]

do you have Balkan and Kavkaz ancestry?

Mom's side is from Balkans yes. The Caucasian must be from dad but I don't know much about him.

[migrec]

Your basically a balkan slav/anatolian mix. Very low chink; but high west asian. Post Dodecad K7b and eurogenes k13.

Eurogenes K13

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 13.250131
2 Romanian @ 14.817943
3 Greek_Thessaly @ 15.742633
4 Serbian @ 18.637005
5 Central_Greek @ 19.266722
6 Italian_Abruzzo @ 20.311909
7 Moldavian @ 20.695625
8 East_Sicilian @ 21.236193
9 West_Sicilian @ 23.280584
10 Nogay @ 23.324438
11 Tuscan @ 23.672670
12 South_Italian @ 24.038704
13 Ashkenazi @ 24.873041
14 Croatian @ 25.013000
15 North_Italian @ 25.736568
16 Turkish @ 25.824711
17 Hungarian @ 26.181562
18 Kumyk @ 26.332829
19 Tatar @ 27.000399
20 Kabardin @ 28.215412

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Moldavian +50% Turkish @ 7.196317


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kumyk +25% Lithuanian +25% Sardinian @ 3.800401


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++
1 Erzya + Kumyk + Kumyk + Sardinian @ 3.410054
2 Kargopol_Russian + Kumyk + Kumyk + Sardinian @ 3.786535
3 Kumyk + Kumyk + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.800401
4 Georgian + Lithuanian + Nogay + Sardinian @ 3.878189
5 East_Finnish + Kumyk + Kumyk + Sardinian @ 3.893940
6 Abhkasian + Lithuanian + Nogay + Sardinian @ 3.915644
7 Adygei + Nogay + Sardinian + Southwest_Russian @ 3.954850
8 Balkar + Kumyk + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.964494
9 Estonian_Polish + Kumyk + Kumyk + Sardinian @ 4.004843
10 Belorussian + Kabardin + Kumyk + Sardinian @ 4.012509
11 Erzya + Kabardin + Kumyk + Sardinian @ 4.017004
12 Belorussian + Kumyk + Kumyk + Sardinian @ 4.018404
13 Kumyk + Nogay + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.032540
14 Adygei + Nogay + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.042329
15 Chechen + Erzya + Sardinian + Turkish @ 4.052949
16 Estonian_Polish + Kabardin + Kumyk + Sardinian @ 4.060416
17 Kabardin + Kumyk + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 4.104265
18 Adygei + Belorussian + Nogay + Sardinian @ 4.119594
19 Adygei + East_Finnish + Kumyk + Sardinian @ 4.124423
20 Balkar + Belorussian + Kumyk + Sardinian @ 4.125654


Dodecad K7b

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 12.147112
2 Greek_Dodecad @ 13.173231
3 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 13.380772
4 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 13.639009
5 Tuscan_HGDP @ 14.124335
6 Romanians_Behar @ 14.174097
7 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 14.545363
8 TSI30_Metspalu @ 15.519896
9 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 18.163456
10 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 19.123545
11 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 19.298208
12 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 19.802494
13 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 20.184790
14 North_Italian_HGDP @ 20.916658
15 Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 25.593147
16 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 27.431770
17 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 27.905685
18 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 28.291643
19 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 28.413555
20 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 28.507078

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% FIN30_1000Genomes +50% Iraq_Jews_Behar @ 1.699406


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Mordovians_Yunusbayev +25% Samaritians_Behar +25% Turkish_Dodecad @ 1.392236


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Chuvashs_Behar + Georgians_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu @ 0.950470
2 Chuvashs_Behar + Georgians_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.986914
3 Chuvashs_Behar + Georgians_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.992781
4 Chuvashs_Behar + Georgians_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.090909
5 Chuvashs_Behar + Georgians_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + TSI30_Metspalu @ 1.111936
6 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Chuvashs_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + Tuscan_HGDP @ 1.234253
7 Chuvashs_Behar + French_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.251907
8 Chuvashs_Behar + Georgians_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + Spaniards_Behar @ 1.257287
9 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + Baleares_1000Genomes + Chuvashs_Behar + Greek_Dodecad @ 1.274988
10 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Chuvashs_Behar + French_HGDP + Georgians_Behar @ 1.280308
11 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Chuvashs_Behar + French_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar @ 1.281104
12 Chuvashs_Behar + French_HGDP + Georgians_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.282701
13 Armenians_Behar + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Chuvashs_Behar + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.297415
14 Chuvashs_Behar + Georgians_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.313870
15 Chuvashs_Behar + French_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.319412
16 Cypriots_Behar + Iraq_Jews_Behar + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Russian_HGDP @ 1.320401
17 Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Russian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Turks_Behar @ 1.329213
18 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Chuvashs_Behar + French_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar @ 1.329798
19 Hungarians_Behar + Kumyks_Yunusbayev + Russian_HGDP + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.331774
20 Cypriots_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Russian_HGDP + Russian_HGDP @ 1.337258

[Ayetooey]

Could you post the breakdown percentages for both the above. As in the components.

[Blondie]

looks slavic-turkic mix, maybe you're a balkan turk

[migrec]

Could you post the breakdown percentages for both the above. As in the components.

Eurogenes K13

North_Atlantic 14.85 Pct
Baltic 21.06 Pct
West_Med 18.04 Pct
West_Asian 21.16 Pct
East_Med 15.96 Pct
Red_Sea 1.45 Pct
South_Asian 0.74 Pct
East_Asian 2.15 Pct
Siberian 3.97 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.62 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Dodecad K7b

South_Asian 0.11 Pct
West_Asian 28.28 Pct
Siberian 4.93 Pct
African -
Southern 22.39 Pct
Atlantic_Baltic 43.43 Pct
East_Asian 0.86 Pct

[xripkan]

Hey,
I've been doing all these tests on Gedmatch but I'm very mixed, not sure what to believe. So I need help from you guys who know more, to find a theme or migrational pattern or just a label of some sort.

Results from some tests that I found to be common:

puntDNAL K15

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 33.08
2 Mediterranean 28.27
3 Caucasian 23.44
4 SW_Asian 7.16
5 Siberian 4.00
6 E_Asian 2.15
7 Horn_Of_Africa 1.05

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 9.100450
2 Greek_Central @ 9.546458
3 Albanian @ 12.455770
4 Bulgarian @ 12.548316
5 Macedonian @ 12.624567
6 Montenegrin @ 12.785518
7 Bosnian @ 12.807811
8 Tuscan @ 13.207303
9 Romanian @ 13.225807
10 Italian @ 14.477324
11 Serbian @ 18.015093
12 Ashkenazy_Jew @ 18.302460
13 Sicilian @ 19.970444
14 Brazilian @ 21.248941
15 Sephardic_Jew @ 22.053617
16 Croatian @ 23.089270
17 French @ 23.365810
18 Portuguese @ 23.383753
19 Spaniard @ 23.850653
20 South_German @ 25.017082

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% Turk_Kayseri @ 4.151053


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English +25% Nogai +25% Druze @ 2.394137


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++
1 Chuvash + Romanian + Albanian + Armenian @ 1.783908
2 Austrian + Chuvash + Sicilian + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.798376
3 Austrian + Chuvash + Sephardic_Jew + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.832118
4 Chuvash + Montenegrin + Albanian + Armenian @ 1.849744
5 Chuvash + Romanian + Tuscan + Armenian @ 1.866077
6 Chuvash + Croatian + Sicilian + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.897543
7 Chuvash + Bulgarian + Albanian + Armenian @ 1.901156
8 Hungarian + Chuvash + Sicilian + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.915511
9 Chuvash + Romanian + Greek_Thessaly + Assyrian @ 1.920840
10 Chuvash + Montenegrin + Greek_Thessaly + Armenian @ 1.929167
11 Chuvash + Bosnian + Albanian + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.945914
12 Mordovian + Montenegrin + Nogai + Cypriot @ 1.949831
13 Chuvash + Croatian + Ashkenazy_Jew + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.955048
14 Chuvash + Bulgarian + Tuscan + Armenian @ 1.994938
15 Mordovian + Romanian + Nogai + Cypriot @ 1.995075
16 Austrian + Chuvash + Ashkenazy_Jew + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.025316
17 Chuvash + Macedonian + Tuscan + Armenian @ 2.033302
18 Chuvash + Romanian + Greek_Central + Assyrian @ 2.033644
19 Finnish + Montenegrin + Nogai + Cypriot @ 2.038873
20 Chuvash + Romanian + Greek_Thessaly + Armenian @ 2.040050

EUtest V2 K15

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 19.15
2 East_Med 15.72
3 North_Sea 14.87
4 Baltic 14.29
5 West_Med 14.04
6 Eastern_Euro 8.75
7 Atlantic 5.91
8 Siberian 3.39
9 Southeast_Asian 1.94

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 13.308725
2 Greek_Thessaly @ 13.556558
3 Romanian @ 13.717291
4 Greek @ 16.389791
5 Serbian @ 17.648663
6 Central_Greek @ 18.341799
7 Ashkenazi @ 18.432709
8 Moldavian @ 18.981525
9 Italian_Abruzzo @ 19.650608
10 East_Sicilian @ 19.941191
11 Tuscan @ 21.667765
12 South_Italian @ 22.615488
13 Croatian @ 23.133312
14 West_Sicilian @ 23.394619
15 Hungarian @ 23.422813
16 Nogay @ 24.882902
17 North_Italian @ 24.897722
18 Turkish @ 25.270651
19 Austrian @ 25.487583
20 Turkmen @ 26.247683

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +50% Ukrainian @ 8.608781


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% Ossetian +25% Ukrainian @ 6.462968


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++
1 Balkar + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian @ 6.308067
2 Balkar + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.335225
3 Balkar + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian @ 6.398928
4 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ossetian + Ukrainian @ 6.462968
5 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Kabardin + Moldavian @ 6.561030
6 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ossetian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.562790
7 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Kabardin + Ukrainian @ 6.665989
8 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Kabardin + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.666472
9 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Kumyk + Moldavian @ 6.686389
10 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Kumyk + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.716695
11 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Kumyk + Ukrainian @ 6.716850
12 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Ossetian + Ukrainian @ 6.736650
13 Adygei + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian @ 6.845861
14 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Ossetian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.852022
15 Georgian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian @ 6.883029
16 Balkar + Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian @ 6.885540
17 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Lezgin + Moldavian @ 6.900002
18 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + Ossetian @ 6.900391
19 Adygei + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.905792
20 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + North_Ossetian @ 6.910225

Dodecad K12b

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 27.16
2 North_European 26.36
3 Atlantic_Med 21.88
4 Gedrosia 11.54
5 Southwest_Asian 7.53
6 Siberian 4.27
7 East_Asian 1.23

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 13.016917
2 Romanians_Behar @ 14.017159
3 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 14.437938
4 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 14.571446
5 Greek_Dodecad @ 16.503983
6 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 18.702629
7 Tuscan_HGDP @ 19.748373
8 TSI30_Metspalu @ 20.003790
9 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 21.226528
10 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 21.370134
11 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 21.498705
12 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 21.652184
13 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 22.046511
14 North_Italian_HGDP @ 24.512291
15 Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 25.351490
16 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 26.771702
17 Hungarians_Behar @ 26.869982
18 Turkish_Dodecad @ 27.253607
19 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 28.341478
20 Turks_Behar @ 28.753548

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Dodecad +50% Turks_Behar @ 3.719635


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% C_Italian_Dodecad +25% Mordovians_Yunusbayev +25% Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 3.325225


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + N_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 1.771634
2 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + O_Italian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu @ 1.815442
3 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + North_Italian_HGDP + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.026588
4 C_Italian_Dodecad + Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + N_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.042376
5 Iranian_Jews_Behar + Kumyks_Yunusbayev + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes + Russian_HGDP @ 2.095374
6 Cantabria_1000Genomes + Kurds_Yunusbayev + Russian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad @ 2.101482
7 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + O_Italian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 2.124260
8 Iraq_Jews_Behar + North_Ossetians_Yunusbayev + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes + Russian_HGDP @ 2.160622
9 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + N_Italian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 2.170388
10 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu @ 2.177847
11 Kurds_Yunusbayev + Russian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad + Valencia_1000Genomes @ 2.179176
12 Kurds_Yunusbayev + Russian_HGDP + Spaniards_Behar + Turkish_Dodecad @ 2.214828
13 Balkars_Yunusbayev + Iraq_Jews_Behar + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes + Russian_HGDP @ 2.237448
14 Aragon_1000Genomes + Kurds_Yunusbayev + Russian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad @ 2.238649
15 Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes + Russian_HGDP + Turks_Behar + Turks_Behar @ 2.300377
16 Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes + Kurds_Yunusbayev + Russian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad @ 2.300920
17 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurds_Yunusbayev + O_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.305076
18 Cantabria_1000Genomes + Kurd_Dodecad + Russian_HGDP + Turkish_Dodecad @ 2.308912
19 Iraq_Jews_Behar + Kumyks_Yunusbayev + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Pais_Vasco_1000Genomes @ 2.309862
20 Chuvashs_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.319383


Please do tell if you want me to do other tests, so, other than the obvious visible results I have been wondering over some of it. I am born in Turkey with my mother's side being mostly from Balkans, serb & macedonian (FYROM) who moved to Turkey late, like mid 1900's. I know nothing about my dads side, mom says there might be bulgarian there but not sure how much.

!WARNING! My own thoughts below, since I'm not well read about races in general, excuse my unknowledge.

There is a lot of greek and some italian which is more distant - does that simply mean roman?
There is a lot of caucasian too, all of those seem to be turkic/bulgar people e.g. chuvash, balkar, kabardino, kumyk. Looking at distance to modern racial admixtures & countries it goes like this Caucasia -> Ukraine -> Moldova -> Romania -> Bulgaria - does this mean that I have bulgar DNA? like proto-bulgar turkic? if so, shouldn't I have higher Central Asian DNA or are bulgars closer to scythians?

Grateful for your expertise or just thoughts & questions :)

Could you post your mixed mode 2 populations (oracle instead oracle 4) for eurogenes k13,k15 and dodecad K12b?

[migrec]

Could you post your mixed mode 2 populations (oracle instead oracle 4) for eurogenes k13,k15 and dodecad K12b?

Eurogenes k13

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.9% Bulgarian + 30.1% Balkar @ 4.64
2 69.3% Bulgarian + 30.7% Kabardin @ 4.74
3 72.5% Bulgarian + 27.5% North_Ossetian @ 5.19
4 67.5% Romanian + 32.5% Balkar @ 5.24
5 73.2% Bulgarian + 26.8% Ossetian @ 5.29
6 67.1% Bulgarian + 32.9% Nogay @ 5.42
7 67% Romanian + 33% Kabardin @ 5.51
8 72% Bulgarian + 28% Adygei @ 5.71
9 70.2% Romanian + 29.8% North_Ossetian @ 5.87
10 68.9% Bulgarian + 31.1% Kumyk @ 5.93
11 71% Romanian + 29% Ossetian @ 6.03
12 56% Moldavian + 44% Turkish @ 6.03
13 69.5% Romanian + 30.5% Adygei @ 6.19
14 61.9% Serbian + 38.1% Balkar @ 6.21
15 64.3% Moldavian + 35.7% Armenian @ 6.29
16 72.2% Bulgarian + 27.8% Chechen @ 6.32
17 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% Abhkasian @ 6.34
18 66.1% Romanian + 33.9% Kumyk @ 6.36
19 75.5% Romanian + 24.5% Abhkasian @ 6.4
20 77% Bulgarian + 23% Georgian @ 6.5



Eurogenes k15

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.2% Moldavian + 34.8% Armenian @ 6.79
2 69.7% Greek_Thessaly + 30.3% Nogay @ 7.15
3 58.4% Moldavian + 41.6% Turkish @ 7.58
4 53.9% Ukrainian + 46.1% Armenian @ 7.66
5 66.4% Moldavian + 33.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 7.72
6 55.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 44.9% Armenian @ 7.77
7 74.6% Greek_Thessaly + 25.4% Kabardin @ 7.93
8 74.7% Greek_Thessaly + 25.3% Tabassaran @ 7.94
9 75.2% Greek_Thessaly + 24.8% Balkar @ 8
10 76% Greek_Thessaly + 24% Chechen @ 8.01
11 66.8% Moldavian + 33.2% Assyrian @ 8.02
12 74.6% Greek_Thessaly + 25.4% Lezgin @ 8.06
13 73% Bulgarian + 27% Kumyk @ 8.07
14 72% Romanian + 28% Kumyk @ 8.12
15 72.2% Bulgarian + 27.8% Nogay @ 8.14
16 76.3% Bulgarian + 23.7% Balkar @ 8.15
17 75.4% Romanian + 24.6% Balkar @ 8.2
18 60.3% Croatian + 39.7% Armenian @ 8.23
19 78.5% Bulgarian + 21.5% Ossetian @ 8.25
20 77.9% Greek_Thessaly + 22.1% North_Ossetian @ 8.31


Dodecad k12b

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.8% Turks (Behar) + 40.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.87
2 61.2% Turkish (Dodecad) + 38.8% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.9
3 61.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 38.9% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.48
4 52.3% Turks (Behar) + 47.7% German (Dodecad) @ 3.49
5 55.2% Turks (Behar) + 44.8% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 3.54
6 59.8% Turks (Behar) + 40.2% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.8
7 53.7% Turks (Behar) + 46.3% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 3.82
8 53.7% Turkish (Dodecad) + 46.3% German (Dodecad) @ 3.96
9 57.7% Turks (Behar) + 42.3% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 4.05
10 58.5% Turks (Behar) + 41.5% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 4.17
11 56.5% Turks (Behar) + 43.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 4.19
12 56.7% Turkish (Dodecad) + 43.3% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 4.2
13 56.6% Turks (Behar) + 43.4% English (Dodecad) @ 4.23
14 56.3% Turks (Behar) + 43.7% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 4.39
15 55.2% Turkish (Dodecad) + 44.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 4.4
16 58.5% Turks (Behar) + 41.5% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 4.42
17 58.4% Turks (Behar) + 41.6% Irish (Dodecad) @ 4.54
18 57.8% Turks (Behar) + 42.2% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 4.55
19 59.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 40.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 4.55
20 59.2% Turkish (Dodecad) + 40.8% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 4.77


Dodecad seems very off...

[xripkan]

Eurogenes k13

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.9% Bulgarian + 30.1% Balkar @ 4.64
2 69.3% Bulgarian + 30.7% Kabardin @ 4.74
3 72.5% Bulgarian + 27.5% North_Ossetian @ 5.19
4 67.5% Romanian + 32.5% Balkar @ 5.24
5 73.2% Bulgarian + 26.8% Ossetian @ 5.29
6 67.1% Bulgarian + 32.9% Nogay @ 5.42
7 67% Romanian + 33% Kabardin @ 5.51
8 72% Bulgarian + 28% Adygei @ 5.71
9 70.2% Romanian + 29.8% North_Ossetian @ 5.87
10 68.9% Bulgarian + 31.1% Kumyk @ 5.93
11 71% Romanian + 29% Ossetian @ 6.03
12 56% Moldavian + 44% Turkish @ 6.03
13 69.5% Romanian + 30.5% Adygei @ 6.19
14 61.9% Serbian + 38.1% Balkar @ 6.21
15 64.3% Moldavian + 35.7% Armenian @ 6.29
16 72.2% Bulgarian + 27.8% Chechen @ 6.32
17 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% Abhkasian @ 6.34
18 66.1% Romanian + 33.9% Kumyk @ 6.36
19 75.5% Romanian + 24.5% Abhkasian @ 6.4
20 77% Bulgarian + 23% Georgian @ 6.5



Eurogenes k15

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.2% Moldavian + 34.8% Armenian @ 6.79
2 69.7% Greek_Thessaly + 30.3% Nogay @ 7.15
3 58.4% Moldavian + 41.6% Turkish @ 7.58
4 53.9% Ukrainian + 46.1% Armenian @ 7.66
5 66.4% Moldavian + 33.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 7.72
6 55.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 44.9% Armenian @ 7.77
7 74.6% Greek_Thessaly + 25.4% Kabardin @ 7.93
8 74.7% Greek_Thessaly + 25.3% Tabassaran @ 7.94
9 75.2% Greek_Thessaly + 24.8% Balkar @ 8
10 76% Greek_Thessaly + 24% Chechen @ 8.01
11 66.8% Moldavian + 33.2% Assyrian @ 8.02
12 74.6% Greek_Thessaly + 25.4% Lezgin @ 8.06
13 73% Bulgarian + 27% Kumyk @ 8.07
14 72% Romanian + 28% Kumyk @ 8.12
15 72.2% Bulgarian + 27.8% Nogay @ 8.14
16 76.3% Bulgarian + 23.7% Balkar @ 8.15
17 75.4% Romanian + 24.6% Balkar @ 8.2
18 60.3% Croatian + 39.7% Armenian @ 8.23
19 78.5% Bulgarian + 21.5% Ossetian @ 8.25
20 77.9% Greek_Thessaly + 22.1% North_Ossetian @ 8.31


Dodecad k12b

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.8% Turks (Behar) + 40.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.87
2 61.2% Turkish (Dodecad) + 38.8% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.9
3 61.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 38.9% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.48
4 52.3% Turks (Behar) + 47.7% German (Dodecad) @ 3.49
5 55.2% Turks (Behar) + 44.8% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 3.54
6 59.8% Turks (Behar) + 40.2% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.8
7 53.7% Turks (Behar) + 46.3% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 3.82
8 53.7% Turkish (Dodecad) + 46.3% German (Dodecad) @ 3.96
9 57.7% Turks (Behar) + 42.3% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 4.05
10 58.5% Turks (Behar) + 41.5% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 4.17
11 56.5% Turks (Behar) + 43.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 4.19
12 56.7% Turkish (Dodecad) + 43.3% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 4.2
13 56.6% Turks (Behar) + 43.4% English (Dodecad) @ 4.23
14 56.3% Turks (Behar) + 43.7% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 4.39
15 55.2% Turkish (Dodecad) + 44.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 4.4
16 58.5% Turks (Behar) + 41.5% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 4.42
17 58.4% Turks (Behar) + 41.6% Irish (Dodecad) @ 4.54
18 57.8% Turks (Behar) + 42.2% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 4.55
19 59.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 40.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 4.55
20 59.2% Turkish (Dodecad) + 40.8% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 4.77


Dodecad seems very off...

You seem a mix of Balkan Slav and Caucasian Turk. Do you know your haplogroup?

[Kaspias]

That's Balkan Turk result. Possibly 1/4 Caucasian but can be full Balkan Turk too. Send me your Gedmatch kit number from private message so i can check your matches.

[migrec]

You seem a mix of Balkan Slav and Caucasian Turk. Do you know your haplogroup?

No I don't know my haplogroup

[migrec]

That's Balkan Turk result. Possibly 1/4 Caucasian but can be full Balkan Turk too. Send me your Gedmatch kit number from private message so i can check your matches.

PM sent

[migrec]

That's Balkan Turk result. Possibly 1/4 Caucasian but can be full Balkan Turk too. Send me your Gedmatch kit number from private message so i can check your matches.

Btw my results are similar to yours except instead of turkmen I have northern Caucasian turkic...


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.9% Bulgarian + 30.1% Balkar @ 4.64
2 69.3% Bulgarian + 30.7% Kabardin @ 4.74
3 72.5% Bulgarian + 27.5% North_Ossetian @ 5.19
4 67.5% Romanian + 32.5% Balkar @ 5.24
5 73.2% Bulgarian + 26.8% Ossetian @ 5.29
6 67.1% Bulgarian + 32.9% Nogay @ 5.42
7 67% Romanian + 33% Kabardin @ 5.51
8 72% Bulgarian + 28% Adygei @ 5.71
9 70.2% Romanian + 29.8% North_Ossetian @ 5.87
10 68.9% Bulgarian + 31.1% Kumyk @ 5.93
11 71% Romanian + 29% Ossetian @ 6.03
12 56% Moldavian + 44% Turkish @ 6.03
13 69.5% Romanian + 30.5% Adygei @ 6.19
14 61.9% Serbian + 38.1% Balkar @ 6.21
15 64.3% Moldavian + 35.7% Armenian @ 6.29
16 72.2% Bulgarian + 27.8% Chechen @ 6.32
17 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% Abhkasian @ 6.34
18 66.1% Romanian + 33.9% Kumyk @ 6.36
19 75.5% Romanian + 24.5% Abhkasian @ 6.4
20 77% Bulgarian + 23% Georgian @ 6.5

[Kaspias]

Btw my results are similar to yours except instead of turkmen I have northern Caucasian turkic...


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.9% Bulgarian + 30.1% Balkar @ 4.64
2 69.3% Bulgarian + 30.7% Kabardin @ 4.74
3 72.5% Bulgarian + 27.5% North_Ossetian @ 5.19
4 67.5% Romanian + 32.5% Balkar @ 5.24
5 73.2% Bulgarian + 26.8% Ossetian @ 5.29
6 67.1% Bulgarian + 32.9% Nogay @ 5.42
7 67% Romanian + 33% Kabardin @ 5.51
8 72% Bulgarian + 28% Adygei @ 5.71
9 70.2% Romanian + 29.8% North_Ossetian @ 5.87
10 68.9% Bulgarian + 31.1% Kumyk @ 5.93
11 71% Romanian + 29% Ossetian @ 6.03
12 56% Moldavian + 44% Turkish @ 6.03
13 69.5% Romanian + 30.5% Adygei @ 6.19
14 61.9% Serbian + 38.1% Balkar @ 6.21
15 64.3% Moldavian + 35.7% Armenian @ 6.29
16 72.2% Bulgarian + 27.8% Chechen @ 6.32
17 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% Abhkasian @ 6.34
18 66.1% Romanian + 33.9% Kumyk @ 6.36
19 75.5% Romanian + 24.5% Abhkasian @ 6.4
20 77% Bulgarian + 23% Georgian @ 6.5


There is no way your father is just Anatolian Turk. It is almost certain he is 1/2 Balkan Turk too, and potentially NW Anatolian, NE Anatolian or Caucasian. But i should say i have seen full blood Balkan Turk results similar to yours. In order to clarify this we have to check your matches. Which company have you tested? What was your company admixture results?

I haven't gotten your private message btw.

[Kaspias]

Btw my results are similar to yours except instead of turkmen I have northern Caucasian turkic...


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.9% Bulgarian + 30.1% Balkar @ 4.64
2 69.3% Bulgarian + 30.7% Kabardin @ 4.74
3 72.5% Bulgarian + 27.5% North_Ossetian @ 5.19
4 67.5% Romanian + 32.5% Balkar @ 5.24
5 73.2% Bulgarian + 26.8% Ossetian @ 5.29
6 67.1% Bulgarian + 32.9% Nogay @ 5.42
7 67% Romanian + 33% Kabardin @ 5.51
8 72% Bulgarian + 28% Adygei @ 5.71
9 70.2% Romanian + 29.8% North_Ossetian @ 5.87
10 68.9% Bulgarian + 31.1% Kumyk @ 5.93
11 71% Romanian + 29% Ossetian @ 6.03
12 56% Moldavian + 44% Turkish @ 6.03
13 69.5% Romanian + 30.5% Adygei @ 6.19
14 61.9% Serbian + 38.1% Balkar @ 6.21
15 64.3% Moldavian + 35.7% Armenian @ 6.29
16 72.2% Bulgarian + 27.8% Chechen @ 6.32
17 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% Abhkasian @ 6.34
18 66.1% Romanian + 33.9% Kumyk @ 6.36
19 75.5% Romanian + 24.5% Abhkasian @ 6.4
20 77% Bulgarian + 23% Georgian @ 6.5


I just saw your e-mail. I'm going to check your results.

[Kaspias]

.

Interestingly, you have only one Balkan Turk match in your list. (Two Turk in total) I was thinking i'm the person who have least Turk match, apparently i had been wrong.

I have checked almost all of your matches. Indeed you're maternally from North Macedonia and i can definitely say that your mother is not ethnic Albanian but Balkan Turk who have Slavic(ethnic Macedonian) admixture. I took one of my samples as reference which is from Western Macedonia, Serbia-Bulgaria border and tried to model you with Anatolian Turks. You even couldn't get close since you're lack of East Med admixture although you have high West Asian for a Balkan Turk. As i thought and stated before, this actually meant you're either full Balkan Turk or 3/4 Balkan Turk and 1/4 Circassian or smth. Then i carefully checked your match list and there were no Caucasian individual. Then i turned to nMonte and modeled your results with another Balkan Turks. Greece Turks were carrying high East Med which you lack of, and less West Asian. It was clear your father is not Greece Turk. I also tried to model with another Macedonian Turks, Bosniaks and Albanians but your West Asian were still a problem. This made me think on "which Balkan Turk people were carrying high WA and less East Med?" Answer was Tatars and Alevi Turks of Bulgaria. But for a Tatar father you didn't have enough East Eurasian admixture. I tried to model you with Kardzhali Alevis - That Macedonian sample and you got 3.9 distance. At this time, the Balkan Turk who you matched answered my e-mail and said he is from Veliko Tarnovo, Bulgaria. Her results was shockingly similar with you. See:

You:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 21.16
2 Baltic 21.06
3 West_Med 18.04
4 East_Med 15.96
5 North_Atlantic 14.85
6 Siberian 3.97
7 East_Asian 2.15
8 Red_Sea 1.45
9 South_Asian 0.74
10 Oceanian 0.62


She:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.35
2 West_Asian 20.98
3 East_Med 18.3
4 North_Atlantic 14.29
5 West_Med 14.16
6 Siberian 4.33
7 Red_Sea 3.91
8 East_Asian 1.84
9 Oceanian 0.8
10 Sub-Saharan 0.05


I haven't asked their sect since i find this behaviour rude. Of course this just may be a coincidence but her mt-DNA was J1d1. This mt-dna concentrated on Shia countries. --> https://www.yfull.com/mtree/J1D1/ After all, it seems your father is "more likely" from there(by considering spreading of Mountain Alevis of Central Bulgaria):

https://i.ibb.co/rkTGp0S/area-map-of-Bulgaria.png


Can you check if is there a match with "O Z" or "Z O" in your MyHeritage matches? Also you would like to upload your raw data to the MorleyDNA in order to learn your y-DNA. That could help you about your fathers' origins too. You can upload from here (https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal).

[Thracian]

Well. According to Eurogenes K13, you have really not significant South Asia. Maybe you have some Tatar ancestry your higher East Asian (Siberian+East Asian+Amerindian) explains it. You also have less Red Sea. It shows that your Turkic ancestors could be from North.

You have somewhat higher West Asian and it can be related with your Anatolian ancestry. Some Balkan Turks mixed with Anatolians but most of us didn't mix with them. Interestimgly your West Med is higher than your East Med.

[migrec]

Interestingly, you have only one Balkan Turk match in your list. (Two Turk in total) I was thinking i'm the person who have least Turk match, apparently i had been wrong.

I have checked almost all of your matches. Indeed you're maternally from North Macedonia and i can definitely say that your mother is not ethnic Albanian but Balkan Turk who have Slavic(ethnic Macedonian) admixture. I took one of my samples as reference which is from Western Macedonia, Serbia-Bulgaria border and tried to model you with Anatolian Turks. You even couldn't get close since you're lack of East Med admixture although you have high West Asian for a Balkan Turk. As i thought and stated before, this actually meant you're either full Balkan Turk or 3/4 Balkan Turk and 1/4 Circassian or smth. Then i carefully checked your match list and there were no Caucasian individual. Then i turned to nMonte and modeled your results with another Balkan Turks. Greece Turks were carrying high East Med which you lack of, and less West Asian. It was clear your father is not Greece Turk. I also tried to model with another Macedonian Turks, Bosniaks and Albanians but your West Asian were still a problem. This made me think on "which Balkan Turk people were carrying high WA and less East Med?" Answer was Tatars and Alevi Turks of Bulgaria. But for a Tatar father you didn't have enough East Eurasian admixture. I tried to model you with Kardzhali Alevis - That Macedonian sample and you got 3.9 distance. At this time, the Balkan Turk who you matched answered my e-mail and said he is from Veliko Tarnovo, Bulgaria. Her results was shockingly similar with you. See:

You:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 21.16
2 Baltic 21.06
3 West_Med 18.04
4 East_Med 15.96
5 North_Atlantic 14.85
6 Siberian 3.97
7 East_Asian 2.15
8 Red_Sea 1.45
9 South_Asian 0.74
10 Oceanian 0.62


She:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.35
2 West_Asian 20.98
3 East_Med 18.3
4 North_Atlantic 14.29
5 West_Med 14.16
6 Siberian 4.33
7 Red_Sea 3.91
8 East_Asian 1.84
9 Oceanian 0.8
10 Sub-Saharan 0.05


I haven't asked their sect since i find this behaviour rude. Of course this just may be a coincidence but her mt-DNA was J1d1. This mt-dna concentrated on Shia countries. --> https://www.yfull.com/mtree/J1D1/ After all, it seems your father is "more likely" from there(by considering spreading of Mountain Alevis of Central Bulgaria):

https://i.ibb.co/rkTGp0S/area-map-of-Bulgaria.png


Can you check if is there a match with "O Z" or "Z O" in your MyHeritage matches? Also you would like to upload your raw data to the MorleyDNA in order to learn your y-DNA. That could help you about your fathers' origins too. You can upload from here (https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal).

Very interesting! thank you for all the research. Her DNA really was just like mine, never seen anyone with that admixture.

Did the Y-DNA prediction on MorleyDNA but I dont know how to read them or what to post. The information there is overwhelming.
Balkan turk makes sense. That Caucasian turkic part seems strong on Gedmatch, looks like an average of 1/4.

[Kaspias]

Very interesting! thank you for all the research. Her DNA really was just like mine, never seen anyone with that admixture.

Did the Y-DNA prediction on MorleyDNA but I dont know how to read them or what to post. The information there is overwhelming.
Balkan turk makes sense. That Caucasian turkic part seems strong on Gedmatch, looks like an average of 1/4.

I think you get me wrong. Your result seems 1/2 Macedonian Turk + 1/2 Bulgarian Turk from the region which i painted.

Post the screenshot of morley by clicking your most likely haplogroup so we can see the green signals too.

[migrec]

I think you get me wrong. Your result seems 1/2 Macedonian Turk + 1/2 Bulgarian Turk from the region which i painted.

Post the screenshot of morley by clicking your most likely haplogroup so we can see the green signals too.

Ah, I was just thinking with the big caucasian chunk in mind, since in many calculators I get 25-35% caucasian and close to kabardins, balkars, kumyks and similar people. Is this just a way to separating macedonian and bulgarian ancestry with macedonian turk and bulgarian turk ancestry?

MorleyDNA:
88535
88536

[Kaspias]

Ah, I was just thinking with the big caucasian chunk in mind, since in many calculators I get 25-35% caucasian and close to kabardins, balkars, kumyks and similar people. Is this just a way to separating macedonian and bulgarian ancestry with macedonian turk and bulgarian turk ancestry?

MorleyDNA:
88535
88536

Yeah, that's right. It is just a way to seperate them.

You're T1a, it is really rare among Balkanites. But common in Greece(around 5%).

[Leto]

Should maybe have added Eurogenes K13 too...

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=88495&d=1559740930

Anyone? Need a label of some sort since I got no info about my dad.
Do you look white European? Are you seen as Middle Eastern in Sweden?

[karakartal]

What is your mdlp k23b results?

[migrec]

Do you look white European? Are you seen as Middle Eastern in Sweden?

I'd say I look mediterrean/balkan/caucasian... not middle eastern, i have rather pale skin
Around the eyes (shape and distance between them & the eyebrows it looks pretty much like a georgian or something like that.
People here have a hard time to guess where I'm from, they rarely ask.

[migrec]

What is your mdlp k23b results?

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 33.5
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 21.04
3 European_Early_Farmers 16.66
4 South_Central_Asian 10.45
5 Near_East 6.55
6 Ancestral_Altaic 3.48
7 Tungus-Altaic 2.74
8 East_Siberian 1.9
9 North_African 1.16
10 Austronesian 0.97
11 Archaic_African 0.82
12 Melano_Polynesian 0.33
13 African_Pygmy 0.25
14 Amerindian 0.14

[Leto]

I'd say I look mediterrean/balkan/caucasian... not middle eastern, i have rather pale skin
Around the eyes (shape and distance between them & the eyebrows it looks pretty much like a georgian or something like that.
People here have a hard time to guess where I'm from, they rarely ask.
Ok. You seem to be a mix of Caucasian and Balkan people + a bit of Altaic/proto-Turkic (~6% mongoloid).

[migrec]

Hey I just wanted to add some info about my fathers side that I learnt today (yey finally :)) and Kaspias was spot on.

Got some documents from their village in Turkey and it's entirely built by Bulgarian families that moved to Turkey from 1895 onwards.
The families that moved there were mostly from northern and central Bulgarian villages. Now I'm guessing they were Ottoman settlers first, why else would they move to Turkey?

[Kaspias]

Hey I just wanted to add some info about my fathers side that I learnt today (yey finally :)) and Kaspias was spot on.

Got some documents from their village in Turkey and it's entirely built by Bulgarian families that moved to Turkey from 1895 onwards.
The families that moved there were mostly from northern and central Bulgarian villages. Now I'm guessing they were Ottoman settlers first, why else would they move to Turkey?

May i ask the Turkish village?

[migrec]

May i ask the Turkish village?

Yeniçiftlik, Biga. In Çanakkale.

[dududud]

Good thread.

[migrec]

Good thread.

:thumb001:

[Kaspias]

Yeniçiftlik, Biga. In Çanakkale.

At first, i should state Yeniçiftlik surrounded by Pomak villages who comes from Drama and Lovech in order to escape from Russians and Bulgarians in Russo-Turkish War(93 Harbi). But Yeniçiftlik seem like a major village in the region that includes both Turks and Pomaks. If you have Turkish passport, check your grandfather's name and surname in e-Devlet(if you haven't till now).

These people are the Pomaks who settled in Yeniçiftlik, comes from Lovech, Byala Stalina:

They born between 1820-1860. You should see their name in your e-Devlet page.

Map--> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Byala+Slatina,+Bulgaristan/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x40ab6e1edab22243:0x400a01269bf5d 30?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjpwdXEjZLjAhVxoFwKHV_nAhcQ8gEwD3oECA4QB A


Hane no. Hane Reisinin İsmi

1. Kadri oğlu Süleyman

2. İbrahim oğlu Hüseyin

3. Hasan oğlu Hüseyin

4. Ali oğlu Hasan

5. Hüseyin oğlu Mehmet

6. Halil oğlu Hasan

7. Halil oğlu Mehmet

8. Hasan oğlu Süleyman

9. Mehmet oğlu Hasan

10. Süleyman oğlu Süleyman

11. Mahmut oğlu Ali

12. Ali oğlu İbrahim

13. Hüseyin oğlu Hamza

14. Hasan oğlu Rüstem

15. Hasan oğlu Mehmet

16. Hasan oğlu Halil

17. Mustafa oğlu Hüseyin

18. Mehmet oğlu Mahmud

19. Osman oğlu Mahmut

20. Ali oğlu Halil

21. Ali oğlu Mehmet

22. Ali oğlu Osman

23. Kadri oğlu Osman

24. Süleyman oğlu Hasan

25. Hasan oğlu Halil

26. Hasan oğlu Kadri

27. Hüseyin oğlu Hasan

28. Ali oğlu Halil

29. Ali oğlu Osman

30. Ali oğlu Mahmut

31. Kadri oğlu Hüseyin

32. Alaz (?) oğlu Hüseyin

33. Hasan oğlu İbrahim

34. Hüseyin oğlu Hasan

35. Mustafa oğlu Süleyman

36. Kadri oğlu Mustafa

37. Halil oğlu Hasan

38. Salih oğlu Halil

39. Selim oğlu Ahmet

40. Bekir oğlu Hasan

41. Mustafa oğlu Mehmet

42. Hüseyin oğlu Süleyman

43. Hüseyin oğlu Yakub

44. Hüseyin oğlu Mehmet

45. Halil oğlu Mustafa

46. Abdullah oğlu Ahmet

47. Hüseyin oğlu Mustafa

48. Ahmet oğlu Bekir

49. Abdi oğlu Bekir

50. Ahmet oğlu Mehmet

51. Mustafa oğlu Ali

52. Ali oğlu Hüseyin

53. Halil oğlu Ali

54. Halil oğlu Süleyman

55. Hüseyin oğlu Ali

56. Salih oğlu Bayram

57. Mustafa oğlu Mahmut

58. Mustafa oğlu Ali

59. Mustafa oğlu Hüseyin

60. Halil oğlu Hüseyin

61. Hüseyin oğlu Mehmet

62. Hüseyin oğlu Kadri

63. Ali oğlu Süleyman

64. Salih oğlu Abdi

65. Hasan oğlu Osman

66. Süleyman oğlu Ali

67. İsmail oğlu Mehmet

68. Süleyman oğlu Ali

69. Süleyman oğlu Halil

70. Ali oğlu Mu...?



71. Hasan oğlu Hüseyin

72. Yakup oğlu Veli

73. Yakup oğlu Ali

74. Mehmet oğlu Hasan

75. Osman oğlu Ali

76. Mehmet oğlu Ahmet

77. Kadri oğlu Hüseyin

78. Mehmet oğlu İbrahim

79. Mehmet oğlu Hüseyin

80. Ramadan oğlu Hasan

81. Ahmet oğlu Mehmet

81b. Mestan oğlu Hasan

82. Hasan oğlu Murat

83. Hüseyin oğlu Hasan

84 Hasan oğlu Hüseyin

85. Mahmut oğlu Murat (?)

86. Abdi oğlu Hasan oğlu

87. Halil oğlu Mehmet

88. İsmail oğlu Hüseyin

89. Mehmet oğlu Hüseyin

90. Ali oğlu İbrahim

91. Osman oğlu Mehmet

92. Halil oğlu Ali

93. Halil oğlu Mehmet

94. Osman oğlu İsmail

95. Süleyman oğlu Halil

96. İsmail oğlu Mehmet

97. İsmail oğlu Osman

98. İsmail oğlu Ali

99. Mehmet oğlu Mustafa

100. Hüseyin oğlu Mustafa

101. Halil oğlu Abdi

102. Halil oğlu Mehmet

103. Hüseyin oğlu Kadri

104. Ali oğlu Hasan

105. Hüseyin oğlu Hasan



These people are the Turks who settled in Yeniçiftlik, comes from Venets, Shumen.

Map--> https://www.google.com/maps/place/9751+K%C3%B6kl%C3%BCce,+Bulgaristan,+Bulgaristan/@43.5385084,26.7818872,11z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40af7802b384441b:0x400a01269bf58 b0!8m2!3d43.5481659!4d26.9223656




Hane No. İsim, Tarla

Hane No. İsim, Tarla

1. Köyün Hatibi Ömer oğlu İbrahim, 50 dönüm

2. Mustafa oğlu Recep, 42 dönüm

3. İbrahim oğlu Osman, 57 dönüm

4. Ahmet oğlu Mustafa, 34 dönüm

5. İbrahim oğlu Ali, 47 dönüm

6. İsmail oğlu Recep, 54 dönüm

7. İsmail oğlu Kadri İsmail, 26 dönüm

8. Ömer oğlu Mahmut, 51 dönüm

9. Mehmet oğlu Salih (?), 52 dönüm

10. Mustafa oğlu Yusuf, 45 dönüm

11. Musa oğlu Halil, 47 dönüm

12. ??? (Yakub) oğlu İbrahim, 37 dönüm

13. Musa oğlu Mehmet, 22 dönüm

14. Abdullah oğlu Mustafa, 52 Dönüm

15. Halil oğlu İsmail, 45 dönüm

16. Osman oğlu Ömer, 50 dönüm

17. İsmail oğlu Ahmet, 42 dönüm

18. Yakub oğlu Mustafa, 42 dönüm

19. Halil oğlu Ömer, 47 dönüm

20. Hasan oğlu ??? Ahmet, 51 dönüm

21. Recep oğlu Mehmet, 18 dönüm

22. Aziz oğlu Mehmet, 53 dönüm

23. Osman oğlu Hacı Mustafa, 33 dönüm

24. Velioğlu İbrahim bin Halil, ??? dönüm

25. Ali oğlu Veli, ??? dönüm

26. İbrahim oğlu İsmail, ??? dönüm

27. İsmail Oğlu Hasan, 48 dönüm

28. Aziz oğlu Musa, 57 dönüm

29. Musa oğlu Aziz, 40 dönüm

30. ??? oğlu Aziz, 49 dönüm.

31. Hasan oğlu ???

32. İbrahim oğlu ???

33. Aziz oğlu İsmail

34. İbrahim oğlu Aziz

35. Ömer oğlu Halil Hasan

36. Mahmud oğlu Hasan

37. Ahmed oğlu Ömer

38. Ahmed oğlu Ömer

39. Aziz oğlu Kara İbrahim

40. ??? oğul Hasan

41. ??? oğlu Ali

42. Abdi oğlu Ömer

43. Ahmed oğlu Ali

44. Ömer oğlu Mustafa

45. Süleyman oğlu Mustafa

46. Osman oğlu Ali



I couldn't find data for other possibilities, but here they are:

Palamartsa: https://www.google.com/maps/place/7850+Palamartsa,+Bulgaristan/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x40af22293e6543c1:0xa00a014cd0ed6 10?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjF743mjpLjAhVIilwKHTVPDs8Q8gEwDHoECA0QB A // Turk village.
Bezhanovo: https://www.google.com/maps/place/5565+Bezhanovo,+Bulgaristan/@43.2330262,24.5265892,11z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40abe8b0d8e8b505:0xe3e49ded798af f20!8m2!3d43.233!4d24.666667 // Pomak village.
Kapitan Petko: https://www.google.com/maps/place/9770+%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD+%D 0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%BE,+Bulgaristan/@43.4915863,25.7576014,8z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40af79e68bf0f5dd:0xa00a014cd0e5e 80!8m2!3d43.4904707!4d26.8735965 // Turk village.


I have to check your matches again to clarify if your father either Turk or Pomak. Can you send me your kit number again?

[migrec]

At first, i should state Yeniçiftlik surrounded by Pomak villages who comes from Drama and Lovech in order to escape from Russians and Bulgarians in Russo-Turkish War(93 Harbi). But Yeniçiftlik seem like a major village in the region that includes both Turks and Pomaks. If you have Turkish passport, check your grandfather's name and surname in e-Devlet(if you haven't till now).

These people are the Pomaks who settled in Yeniçiftlik, comes from Lovech, Byala Stalina:

They born between 1820-1860. You should see their name in your e-Devlet page.

Map--> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Byala+Slatina,+Bulgaristan/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x40ab6e1edab22243:0x400a01269bf5d 30?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjpwdXEjZLjAhVxoFwKHV_nAhcQ8gEwD3oECA4QB A


Hane no. Hane Reisinin İsmi

1. Kadri oğlu Süleyman

2. İbrahim oğlu Hüseyin

3. Hasan oğlu Hüseyin

4. Ali oğlu Hasan

5. Hüseyin oğlu Mehmet

6. Halil oğlu Hasan

7. Halil oğlu Mehmet

8. Hasan oğlu Süleyman

9. Mehmet oğlu Hasan

10. Süleyman oğlu Süleyman

11. Mahmut oğlu Ali

12. Ali oğlu İbrahim

13. Hüseyin oğlu Hamza

14. Hasan oğlu Rüstem

15. Hasan oğlu Mehmet

16. Hasan oğlu Halil

17. Mustafa oğlu Hüseyin

18. Mehmet oğlu Mahmud

19. Osman oğlu Mahmut

20. Ali oğlu Halil

21. Ali oğlu Mehmet

22. Ali oğlu Osman

23. Kadri oğlu Osman

24. Süleyman oğlu Hasan

25. Hasan oğlu Halil

26. Hasan oğlu Kadri

27. Hüseyin oğlu Hasan

28. Ali oğlu Halil

29. Ali oğlu Osman

30. Ali oğlu Mahmut

31. Kadri oğlu Hüseyin

32. Alaz (?) oğlu Hüseyin

33. Hasan oğlu İbrahim

34. Hüseyin oğlu Hasan

35. Mustafa oğlu Süleyman

36. Kadri oğlu Mustafa

37. Halil oğlu Hasan

38. Salih oğlu Halil

39. Selim oğlu Ahmet

40. Bekir oğlu Hasan

41. Mustafa oğlu Mehmet

42. Hüseyin oğlu Süleyman

43. Hüseyin oğlu Yakub

44. Hüseyin oğlu Mehmet

45. Halil oğlu Mustafa

46. Abdullah oğlu Ahmet

47. Hüseyin oğlu Mustafa

48. Ahmet oğlu Bekir

49. Abdi oğlu Bekir

50. Ahmet oğlu Mehmet

51. Mustafa oğlu Ali

52. Ali oğlu Hüseyin

53. Halil oğlu Ali

54. Halil oğlu Süleyman

55. Hüseyin oğlu Ali

56. Salih oğlu Bayram

57. Mustafa oğlu Mahmut

58. Mustafa oğlu Ali

59. Mustafa oğlu Hüseyin

60. Halil oğlu Hüseyin

61. Hüseyin oğlu Mehmet

62. Hüseyin oğlu Kadri

63. Ali oğlu Süleyman

64. Salih oğlu Abdi

65. Hasan oğlu Osman

66. Süleyman oğlu Ali

67. İsmail oğlu Mehmet

68. Süleyman oğlu Ali

69. Süleyman oğlu Halil

70. Ali oğlu Mu...?



71. Hasan oğlu Hüseyin

72. Yakup oğlu Veli

73. Yakup oğlu Ali

74. Mehmet oğlu Hasan

75. Osman oğlu Ali

76. Mehmet oğlu Ahmet

77. Kadri oğlu Hüseyin

78. Mehmet oğlu İbrahim

79. Mehmet oğlu Hüseyin

80. Ramadan oğlu Hasan

81. Ahmet oğlu Mehmet

81b. Mestan oğlu Hasan

82. Hasan oğlu Murat

83. Hüseyin oğlu Hasan

84 Hasan oğlu Hüseyin

85. Mahmut oğlu Murat (?)

86. Abdi oğlu Hasan oğlu

87. Halil oğlu Mehmet

88. İsmail oğlu Hüseyin

89. Mehmet oğlu Hüseyin

90. Ali oğlu İbrahim

91. Osman oğlu Mehmet

92. Halil oğlu Ali

93. Halil oğlu Mehmet

94. Osman oğlu İsmail

95. Süleyman oğlu Halil

96. İsmail oğlu Mehmet

97. İsmail oğlu Osman

98. İsmail oğlu Ali

99. Mehmet oğlu Mustafa

100. Hüseyin oğlu Mustafa

101. Halil oğlu Abdi

102. Halil oğlu Mehmet

103. Hüseyin oğlu Kadri

104. Ali oğlu Hasan

105. Hüseyin oğlu Hasan



These people are the Turks who settled in Yeniçiftlik, comes from Venets, Shumen.

Map--> https://www.google.com/maps/place/9751+K%C3%B6kl%C3%BCce,+Bulgaristan,+Bulgaristan/@43.5385084,26.7818872,11z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40af7802b384441b:0x400a01269bf58 b0!8m2!3d43.5481659!4d26.9223656




Hane No. İsim, Tarla

Hane No. İsim, Tarla

1. Köyün Hatibi Ömer oğlu İbrahim, 50 dönüm

2. Mustafa oğlu Recep, 42 dönüm

3. İbrahim oğlu Osman, 57 dönüm

4. Ahmet oğlu Mustafa, 34 dönüm

5. İbrahim oğlu Ali, 47 dönüm

6. İsmail oğlu Recep, 54 dönüm

7. İsmail oğlu Kadri İsmail, 26 dönüm

8. Ömer oğlu Mahmut, 51 dönüm

9. Mehmet oğlu Salih (?), 52 dönüm

10. Mustafa oğlu Yusuf, 45 dönüm

11. Musa oğlu Halil, 47 dönüm

12. ??? (Yakub) oğlu İbrahim, 37 dönüm

13. Musa oğlu Mehmet, 22 dönüm

14. Abdullah oğlu Mustafa, 52 Dönüm

15. Halil oğlu İsmail, 45 dönüm

16. Osman oğlu Ömer, 50 dönüm

17. İsmail oğlu Ahmet, 42 dönüm

18. Yakub oğlu Mustafa, 42 dönüm

19. Halil oğlu Ömer, 47 dönüm

20. Hasan oğlu ??? Ahmet, 51 dönüm

21. Recep oğlu Mehmet, 18 dönüm

22. Aziz oğlu Mehmet, 53 dönüm

23. Osman oğlu Hacı Mustafa, 33 dönüm

24. Velioğlu İbrahim bin Halil, ??? dönüm

25. Ali oğlu Veli, ??? dönüm

26. İbrahim oğlu İsmail, ??? dönüm

27. İsmail Oğlu Hasan, 48 dönüm

28. Aziz oğlu Musa, 57 dönüm

29. Musa oğlu Aziz, 40 dönüm

30. ??? oğlu Aziz, 49 dönüm.

31. Hasan oğlu ???

32. İbrahim oğlu ???

33. Aziz oğlu İsmail

34. İbrahim oğlu Aziz

35. Ömer oğlu Halil Hasan

36. Mahmud oğlu Hasan

37. Ahmed oğlu Ömer

38. Ahmed oğlu Ömer

39. Aziz oğlu Kara İbrahim

40. ??? oğul Hasan

41. ??? oğlu Ali

42. Abdi oğlu Ömer

43. Ahmed oğlu Ali

44. Ömer oğlu Mustafa

45. Süleyman oğlu Mustafa

46. Osman oğlu Ali



I couldn't find data for other possibilities, but here they are:

Palamartsa: https://www.google.com/maps/place/7850+Palamartsa,+Bulgaristan/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x40af22293e6543c1:0xa00a014cd0ed6 10?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjF743mjpLjAhVIilwKHTVPDs8Q8gEwDHoECA0QB A // Turk village.
Bezhanovo: https://www.google.com/maps/place/5565+Bezhanovo,+Bulgaristan/@43.2330262,24.5265892,11z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40abe8b0d8e8b505:0xe3e49ded798af f20!8m2!3d43.233!4d24.666667 // Pomak village.
Kapitan Petko: https://www.google.com/maps/place/9770+%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD+%D 0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%BE,+Bulgaristan/@43.4915863,25.7576014,8z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40af79e68bf0f5dd:0xa00a014cd0e5e 80!8m2!3d43.4904707!4d26.8735965 // Turk village.


I have to check your matches again to clarify if your father either Turk or Pomak. Can you send me your kit number again?

Yes, I clearly remember this village to be like a "capital" for surrounding villages, with the markets and weddings held there many from surrounding villages would come.

Could you define "Pomak"? every country seem to classify them as something different. Balkanites who converted to Islam? Ottoman settlers?

Will check my passport, left it at my parents so I won't be able to do it tonight. Sent kit number to you, it may be a bit more complicated though, to sum it:
maternal grandfather is very likely fully Balkan from North Macedonia, might be Serbs ethnically. (got documents regarding migration from Yugoslavia and on the pictures his parents look very Serbian/Slavic and so did he)
maternal grandmother is Turkish from a village outside Konya, they later moved to a village outside Izmir. This is all I know from what my mother told me, also looking at pictures she look Turkish, even a bit central Asian...
and fathers side now probably fully Pomak from Bulgaria, not really sure what Pomak means...

[migrec]

I've found his name, it's not on any of those lists... but I don't know how to check it on e-devlet because my turkish is pretty bad.

[karakartal]

I've found his name, it's not on any of those lists... but I don't know how to check it on e-devlet because my turkish is pretty bad.

do you have a e-devlet password?

[migrec]

Nope

[karakartal]

Nope

i think you could take the your e devlet passworld in ptt. in europe, i don't know how it's possible.

[migrec]

Alright, can't get any further than this. Digging in documents with my rubbish turkish has been tough...

Paternal grandmother is from the village Venets (Bulgaria), according to Wiki 89% of the inhabitants are turk.
Paternal grandfather is from a village in Plovdiv (Bulgaria), the village is unknown which makes it hard to know since it's a big province. This region is flipped however and it's 87% bulgarian and 6.5% turk.

Maternal grandfather is from Veles (N. Macedonia) where 85% are macedonians and 3% turk.
Maternal grandmother I believe is fully turkish but weirdly it's hard to find anything about her family, they've been in the same villages (in Konya & Izmir) for as long as my mother could see on e-devlet.