What percentage of ethnic Turks have significant Central Asian admixture(greater than 10%)?

[Borealis]

From the modeling of Turks it seems they vary quite a lot by area with some having zero central Asian and others having signficant amounts.

[Pandit]

Unless admixture is something like 25% it's useless.

"Wow I am 2% Scandinavian, I am 10% British, 5% German, 8% Italian-that explainsmy love for pizza" fucking cunts.

[Borealis]

Unless admixture is something like 25% it's useless.

"Wow I am 2% Scandinavian, I am 10% British, 5% German, 8% Italian-that explainsmy love for pizza" fucking cunts.

Those ethnicities are pretty similar for the most part but the difference between a central Asian Turkmen and an Arab, Greek, Armenian or Assyrian is vast. Turks today are a mix of those.

[Bellbeaking]

20-40% from migration period but they where already mixed so about 2-20% is East Asian.

[Bornoz]

Those ethnicities are pretty similar for the most part but the difference between a central Asian Turkmen and an Arab, Greek, Armenian or Assyrian is vast. Turks today are a mix of those.

Let alone Arabs and Assyrians, we are noticeably more Eastern Asian and Northern European shifted than Armenians, Greeks except mainlanders, Georgians... In such a situation I wonder what makes you want to add Arabs and Assyrians to there :lol:

If you want to increase an average you should add values ​​above average. Basic maths :thumb001:

[Catarinense1998]

The only turk that I have seen on TA which resemble something of Central Asians, it is Xperyium.

[Rgvgjhvv]

People can't seem to understand your total EA admixture % does not = the total percentage you are considered a Turk. Not even the original Turks who came to Anatolia were 100% Asian - not even close.

[Kyp]

From the modeling of Turks it seems they vary quite a lot by area with some having zero central Asian and others having signficant amounts.

define "central asian admixture"

[Marmara]

Almost all Turks have Central Asian admixture greater than 10%.

[Gangrel]

90% of Anatolia has above 10% Central Asian admixture. Oghuz were probably 30-40% Mongoloid. Shit, most Alevi Kurds have 10% Central Asian admixture.

[Dorian]

Unless admixture is something like 25% it's useless.

"Wow I am 2% Scandinavian, I am 10% British, 5% German, 8% Italian-that explainsmy love for pizza" fucking cunts.

How did you come up with that?so that you can feel your white blood matters?muahaha you're mutt get over it boy

[Gangrel]

How did you come up with that?so that you can feel your white blood matters?muahaha you're mutt get over it boy

He is having very bad identity problems.

[Kivan]

OP is a moron. I think it's becoming repetitive explain to everyone that Turkic ≠ Mongoloid.

Here results of two Anatolian Turks:


# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.74
2 South_Central_Asian 11.53
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.25
4 European_Early_Farmers 9.71
5 Tungus-Altaic 6.55
6 Near_East 5.53
7 East_Siberian 4.73
8 Arctic 3.48
9 Ancestral_Altaic 2.95
10 North_African 2.41
11 South_East_Asian 1.61
12 Melano_Polynesian 1.30
13 Australoid 1.01

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Aydin @ 5.885062
2 Turk_Balikesir @ 8.318324
3 Turk_Istanbul @ 8.869559
4 Turk @ 10.355407
5 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 12.021833
6 Azov_Greek @ 12.157321
7 Nogai @ 12.231788
8 Turk_Kayseri @ 13.440648
9 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 13.851104
10 Turk_Adana @ 13.981258
11 Cirkassian @ 14.427249
12 Stalskoe_Kumyk @ 16.548096
13 Cretan @ 16.682146
14 Georgian_Jew @ 16.721102
15 Circassian @ 17.177387
16 Kumyk @ 17.458357
17 Greek_Macedonia @ 17.539604
18 Romanian_Jew @ 17.566490
19 Greek @ 17.602461
20 Kabardin @ 17.636078

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Nogai +50% Turk_Balikesir @ 4.635275


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Circassian +25% Sicilian_Agrigento +25% Tatar-Siberian @ 4.058968




# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 38.31
2 South_Central_Asian 15.26
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 9.84
4 European_Early_Farmers 9.22
5 Near_East 7.04
6 Tungus-Altaic 3.65
7 North_African 3.22
8 East_Siberian 3.10
9 Ancestral_Altaic 2.93
10 South_Indian 2.16
11 South_East_Asian 1.89
12 Arctic 1.38
13 Austronesian 1.13

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Aydin @ 5.737835
2 Turk_Istanbul @ 5.813556
3 Turk @ 6.077835
4 Turk_Balikesir @ 8.110736
5 Turk_Kayseri @ 9.148629
6 Turk_Adana @ 9.458119
7 Azov_Greek @ 11.132698
8 Cirkassian @ 11.776154
9 Georgian_Jew @ 11.866308
10 Azeri @ 12.888172
11 Stalskoe_Kumyk @ 13.112051
12 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 13.312876
13 Kurd_North @ 13.387503
14 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 13.471828
15 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 13.534709
16 Kumyk @ 13.995822
17 Nogai @ 14.846873
18 Kabardin @ 14.934309
19 Kurd_South @ 15.271072
20 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 15.579026

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Azeri +50% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 3.935001


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Azov_Greek +25% Turkmen_Uzbekistan +25% Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.569513




Most Turks are modeled as half Turkmen and half Pontic Greek. I would say about 50%
No, not really.

[Thracian]

90% of Anatolia has above 10% Central Asian admixture. Oghuz were probably 30-40% Mongoloid. Shit, most Alevi Kurds have 10% Central Asian admixture.

All Turks are not Anatolian farmers.

[21993]

Those ethnicities are pretty similar for the most part but the difference between a central Asian Turkmen and an Arab, Greek, Armenian or Assyrian is vast. Turks today are a mix of those.

Turkish genetics are significantly different than Arabs, Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians or their mixture. What you told is just like saying Indians are mix of Iranians and Arabs.

[PaleoEuropean]

From the modeling of Turks it seems they vary quite a lot by area with some having zero central Asian and others having signficant amounts.

Considering Asian haplogroups only make up about 15% of Turkey, it's not likely real Turks had any deep effect on the population, what is there is not reduced, it's built up over time from a small Turk population.

[Marmara]

Considering Asian haplogroups only make up about 15% of Turkey, it's not likely real Turks had any deep effect on the population, what is there is not reduced, it's built up over time from a small Turk population.

What is Asian haplogroup? Central Asian countries have high J2a haplogroup just as Turks, besides, you talk about all Turkey, including minorities.

[Rgvgjhvv]

90% of Anatolia has above 10% Central Asian admixture. Oghuz were probably 30-40% Mongoloid. Shit, most Alevi Kurds have 10% Central Asian admixture.

Which then means the Eastern Turks who live near and around the Kurdish are more or less genetically the same? But only culture separates them?

Or do even eastern Turks lack the "Iranic" admixture that the Kurds have?

[Rgvgjhvv]

No, not really.

The second result you posted is though.

[Karaton]

Considering Asian haplogroups only make up about 15% of Turkey, it's not likely real Turks had any deep effect on the population, what is there is not reduced, it's built up over time from a small Turk population.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/309/016/d27.png

[Marmara]

Which then means the Eastern Turks who live near and around the Kurdish are more or less genetically the same? But only culture separates them?

Or do even eastern Turks lack the "Iranic" admixture that the Kurds have?

Yes, Kurds and Turks genetically differ, Easternmost Turks and Kurds get 10 distance in Gedmatch. Many Kurds have unique "Iranic" features which makes them told apart.

[21993]

Considering Asian haplogroups only make up about 15% of Turkey, it's not likely real Turks had any deep effect on the population, what is there is not reduced, it's built up over time from a small Turk population.

How do you explain Turks are usually modeled as 50% Azov_Greek + 25% Turkmen_Uzbekistan + 25% Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.569513?

It is obvious that 15% does not include populations living in Central Asia.

[Faklon]

There are some like xiperyum but the overwhelming majority is Kurd-Arab mix.

[Bosniensis]

People can't seem to understand your total EA admixture % does not = the total percentage you are considered a Turk. Not even the original Turks who came to Anatolia were 100% Asian - not even close.

We have 50% Hellenic Mediterranean aDNA and nobody calls himself Greek or Italian

Turks have 10-15% Central Asian admixture and they call themselves "Turks" a Turan people like Mongols, Kazakhs etc.

They are idiots.

[Faklon]

How do you explain Turks are usually modeled as 50% Azov_Greek + 25% Turkmen_Uzbekistan + 25% Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.569513?

All these people have West-Asian ancestry.

Get some Durk that get 50% Thessaly or Aegean 50% Kazakh or Mongol, then you may have a point.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Yes, Kurds and Turks genetically differ, Easternmost Turks and Kurds get 10 distance in Gedmatch. Many Kurds have unique "Iranic" features which makes them told apart.

So even the easternmost Turks are still genetically different than Kurds, and much more similar to other Anatolian Turks than Kurds, who plot closer to Iranian/Persian peoples? Or am I off?

[Bornoz]

We have 50% Hellenic Mediterranean aDNA and nobody calls himself Greek or Italian

Turks have 10-15% Central Asian admixture and they call themselves "Turks" a Turan people like Mongols, Kazakhs etc.

They are idiots.

His sources are random MyHeritage videos on Youtube btw.
Just to let you know

[Marmara]

So even the easternmost Turks are still genetically different than Kurds, and much more similar to other Anatolian Turks than Kurds, who plot closer to Iranian/Persian peoples? Or am I off?

Yes, that's correct.

[Kaspias]

We have 50% Hellenic Mediterranean aDNA and nobody calls himself Greek or Italian

Turks have 10-15% Central Asian admixture and they call themselves "Turks" a Turan people like Mongols, Kazakhs etc.

They are idiots.

You have 50% Slav aDNA but everyone call himself Slavs.



Turks have 10-15% Central Asian admixture and they call themselves "Turks" a Turan people like Mongols, Kazakhs etc.


Check my signature, and remember i'm only 50% Turk.

[Faklon]

We, Arabs and Kurds so different...

https://mathii.github.io/assets/images/Lazaridis_pca.jpg

We Northen Eurasians

[21993]

We have 50% Hellenic Mediterranean aDNA and nobody calls himself Greek or Italian

Turks have 10-15% Central Asian admixture and they call themselves "Turks" a Turan people like Mongols, Kazakhs etc.

They are idiots.

In the Oracle of Gedmatch, average Turkish score %50 Turkmen or Uzbek. Myheritage videos on Youtube is less reliable than Gedmatch Oracle.

[Bornoz]

Yes, that's correct.


Some Eastern Turk results based on Dodecad k12b

1)Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_East @ 3,705995
2 Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 5,329024
3 Zaza @ 6,25156
4 Turk_Southeast @ 6,99191
5 Azerbaijani_Iran @ 7,179485
6 Kurd_Kurmanji @ 7,758943
7 Azerbaijani @ 7,898867
8 Talysh_Azerbaijan @ 8,223509
9 Turk_Central_East @ 8,316718
10 Armenian_West @ 8,319772
11 Turkmen_Iraq @ 8,414072
12 Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 9,380293
13 Kurd_Sorani @ 9,852193
14 Turk_South @ 9,974382
15 Assyrian @ 10,372907
16 Iran_Iron_Age @ 10,473815
17 Turk_Ahiska @ 10,586945
18 Feyli_Iran @ 11,524287
19 Turk_Central_West @ 11,55271
20 Lur_Iran @ 11,633031

2)Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_East @ 2,931372
2 Turk_South_East @ 3,502127
3 Turk_Central_East @ 4,866856
4 Azerbaijani @ 5,381891
5 Turk_South @ 5,591095
6 Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 5,71607
7 Azerbaijani_Iran @ 5,96299
8 Azerbaijani_Karabakh @ 6,026109
9 Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 6,250602
10 Turk_Central_West @ 6,290009
11 Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey @ 6,711557
12 Zaza @ 7,778069
13 Turk_South_West @ 9,302065
14 Turkmen_Iraq @ 9,304775
15 Turk_North_West @ 11,316947
16 Kurd_Sorani_Iraq @ 11,864903
17 Azerbaijani_Dagestan @ 12,3156
18 Iranian @ 13,071316
19 Armenian_West @ 13,401047
20 Greek_Cappadocia @ 13,928397

3)Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_East @ 3,651493
2 Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 3,984307
3 Zaza @ 5,731998
4 Azerbaijani_Iran @ 5,753886
5 Azerbaijani @ 6,539518
6 Turk_Southeast @ 6,728313
7 Talysh_Azerbaijan @ 6,951784
8 Kurd_Kurmanji @ 7,075267
9 Turk_Central_East @ 8,037574
10 Turkmen_Iraq @ 8,705895
11 Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 9,160497
12 Kurd_Sorani @ 9,394174
13 Turk_South @ 9,448751
14 Iran_Iron_Age @ 10,753167
15 Turk_Ahiska @ 10,832147
16 Feyli_Iran @ 10,902688
17 Armenian_West @ 10,925612
18 Turk_Central_West @ 11,070217
19 Lur_Iran @ 11,207694
20 Azerbaijani_Dagestan @ 11,360163

4)Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_East @ 5,491906
2 Armenian_West @ 6,638449
3 Turk_Central_East @ 8,720418
4 Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 8,986653
5 Greek_Pontus @ 9,065099
6 Greek_Cappadocia @ 9,194058
7 Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 9,226507
8 Turk_South_East @ 9,465601
9 Turk_Ahiska @ 9,990733
10 Zaza @ 10,463589
11 Assyrian @ 10,710262
12 Turk_East_Black_Sea @ 10,809735
13 Azerbaijani_Iran @ 11,040035
14 Turk_South @ 11,098191
15 Azerbaijani @ 11,115851
16 Arab_Alawite_Turkey @ 11,245883
17 Turk_Central_West @ 11,643852
18 Laz @ 11,757561
19 Kurd_Kurmanji @ 11,887138
20 Turkmen_Iraq @ 12,115023

[Bosniensis]

You have 50% Slav aDNA but everyone call himself Slavs.




Check my signature, and remember i'm only 50% Turk.

70.2% Bosnian + 29.8% Turkmen

and Turkmens I saw, are 50% Mongol

So in your case, you are 20% Turan influenced at max, but there are Turks who are FAR less Turkic influenced than you.

[Marmara]

Some Eastern Turk results based on Dodecad k12b

1)Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_East @ 3,705995
2 Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 5,329024
3 Zaza @ 6,25156
4 Turk_Southeast @ 6,99191
5 Azerbaijani_Iran @ 7,179485
6 Kurd_Kurmanji @ 7,758943
7 Azerbaijani @ 7,898867
8 Talysh_Azerbaijan @ 8,223509
9 Turk_Central_East @ 8,316718
10 Armenian_West @ 8,319772
11 Turkmen_Iraq @ 8,414072
12 Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 9,380293
13 Kurd_Sorani @ 9,852193
14 Turk_South @ 9,974382
15 Assyrian @ 10,372907
16 Iran_Iron_Age @ 10,473815
17 Turk_Ahiska @ 10,586945
18 Feyli_Iran @ 11,524287
19 Turk_Central_West @ 11,55271
20 Lur_Iran @ 11,633031

2)Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_East @ 2,931372
2 Turk_South_East @ 3,502127
3 Turk_Central_East @ 4,866856
4 Azerbaijani @ 5,381891
5 Turk_South @ 5,591095
6 Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 5,71607
7 Azerbaijani_Iran @ 5,96299
8 Azerbaijani_Karabakh @ 6,026109
9 Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 6,250602
10 Turk_Central_West @ 6,290009
11 Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey @ 6,711557
12 Zaza @ 7,778069
13 Turk_South_West @ 9,302065
14 Turkmen_Iraq @ 9,304775
15 Turk_North_West @ 11,316947
16 Kurd_Sorani_Iraq @ 11,864903
17 Azerbaijani_Dagestan @ 12,3156
18 Iranian @ 13,071316
19 Armenian_West @ 13,401047
20 Greek_Cappadocia @ 13,928397

3)Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_East @ 3,651493
2 Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 3,984307
3 Zaza @ 5,731998
4 Azerbaijani_Iran @ 5,753886
5 Azerbaijani @ 6,539518
6 Turk_Southeast @ 6,728313
7 Talysh_Azerbaijan @ 6,951784
8 Kurd_Kurmanji @ 7,075267
9 Turk_Central_East @ 8,037574
10 Turkmen_Iraq @ 8,705895
11 Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 9,160497
12 Kurd_Sorani @ 9,394174
13 Turk_South @ 9,448751
14 Iran_Iron_Age @ 10,753167
15 Turk_Ahiska @ 10,832147
16 Feyli_Iran @ 10,902688
17 Armenian_West @ 10,925612
18 Turk_Central_West @ 11,070217
19 Lur_Iran @ 11,207694
20 Azerbaijani_Dagestan @ 11,360163

4)Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_East @ 5,491906
2 Armenian_West @ 6,638449
3 Turk_Central_East @ 8,720418
4 Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 8,986653
5 Greek_Pontus @ 9,065099
6 Greek_Cappadocia @ 9,194058
7 Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 9,226507
8 Turk_South_East @ 9,465601
9 Turk_Ahiska @ 9,990733
10 Zaza @ 10,463589
11 Assyrian @ 10,710262
12 Turk_East_Black_Sea @ 10,809735
13 Azerbaijani_Iran @ 11,040035
14 Turk_South @ 11,098191
15 Azerbaijani @ 11,115851
16 Arab_Alawite_Turkey @ 11,245883
17 Turk_Central_West @ 11,643852
18 Laz @ 11,757561
19 Kurd_Kurmanji @ 11,887138
20 Turkmen_Iraq @ 12,115023

What does @Turk_East stand for and what's their admixture? If you delete it, these people plot first with Kurds and Azerbaijanis (Azerbaijanis are already genetically Iranic).

Nereli bunlar?

[21993]

70.2% Bosnian + 29.8% Turkmen

and Turkmens I saw, are 50% Mongol

So in your case, you are 20% Turan influenced at max, but there are Turks who are FAR less Turkic influenced than you.

Why 20% but not 29.8%? By the way, who are those Turks?

[Kaspias]

70.2% Bosnian + 29.8% Turkmen

and Turkmens I saw, are 50% Mongol

So in your case, you are 20% Turan influenced at max, but there are Turks who are FAR less Turkic influenced than you.

1. Turkmens are not 50% Mongol. Only Uzbekistan Turkmens.
2. Oghuz's were between 25-35% and 40% at maximum. They already mixed until they arrive in Anatolia.
3. One might carry mostly Caucasid features from his/her Oghuz ancestor rather than Mongoloid, but still will be descendant of Oghuz.
4. Having 10% EE will be equal to ~30-50 Turkmen admixture.
5. There are Turks who are far less Turkic than me, i agree that. But there are Turks who are far more Turkic than me, too. Amount of Turkic admixture doesn't change person's identity.

[Bosniensis]

1. Turkmens are not 50% Mongol. Only Uzbekistan Turkmens.
2. Oghuz's were between 25-35% and 40% at maximum. They already mixed until they arrive in Anatolia.
3. One might carry mostly Caucasid features from his/her Oghuz ancestor rather than Mongoloid, but still will be descendant of Oghuz.
4. Having 10% EE will be equal to ~30-50 Turkmen admixture.
5. There are Turks who are far less Turkic than me, i agree that. But there are Turks who are far more Turkic than me, too. Amount of Turkic admixture doesn't change person's identity.

Have you asked yourself how many people in Turkey actually have Turkic Paternal ancestors?

Tzepeles Celebi married Turkic women from Mesud I but he was Greek, and his son was Greek who was Turkic admixed.

How do you know who are paternally Turks and who are Anatolian Rûm people who married Turkish females and got Turkic influenced?

You see that's the question we on Balkans have as well regarding I2a1b and R1a people, one of those two isn't Slavic, same goes for Turks in Anatolia.

But you Turks don't care, you all want to be Turks even if you are not.

I wonder how can someone enjoy cheering Turkic ancestors like Alp Arslan without knowing for sure he has Turkic Paternal ancestry.

[Bornoz]

What does @Turk_East stand for and what's their admixture? If you delete it, these people plot first with Kurds and Azerbaijanis (Azerbaijanis are already genetically Iranic).

Nereli bunlar?

Doğulu Türkler bunlar. Elazığlı var, Erzincanlı var. Genel olarak o bölge.
Fazla sayıda örnek alınarak oluşturulmuş bi ortalama. İnternette bulabileceğin her şeyden daha isabetli olduğunun garantisini veriyorum sana.

[PaleoEuropean]

What is Asian haplogroup? Central Asian countries have high J2a haplogroup just as Turks, besides, you talk about all Turkey, including minorities.

J2a is Middle Eastern not Turkic. Turks are Chinese N and Q.

[Bosniensis]

J2a is Middle Eastern not Turkic. Turks are Chinese N and Q.

J2a is 40% in Italy, J2a are Romans. (Exarchate of Ravenna territory)

[PaleoEuropean]

Turkey has less Asian in them then a lot of Europeans

https://i.imgur.com/lyAlicP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iNnHXqx.jpg

[Rgvgjhvv]

Doğulu Türkler bunlar. Elazığlı var, Erzincanlı var. Genel olarak o bölge.
Fazla sayıda örnek alınarak oluşturulmuş bi ortalama. İnternette bulabileceğin her şeyden daha isabetli olduğunun garantisini veriyorum sana.

So then eastern Turks plot with Kurds and Azeris before other Anatolian Turks?

[PaleoEuropean]

J2a is 40% in Italy, J2a are Romans. (Exarchate of Ravenna territory)

Mediterraneans are largely descendant from middle easterners. Everyone except haplgroup I is not native to Europe and came from somewhere else. J2a broke off from J in Iran and went back in into the Arab countries then moved back into Iran, humans didn't just stay in one place, go look up all the haplogroup migration patterns. Everything except I is foreign to Europe. I think T and E came to the Mediterranean before J, not 100 percent positive though.

[Kutlu]

who cares?

[Jana]

Turkey has less Asian in them then a lot of Europeans

https://i.imgur.com/lyAlicP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iNnHXqx.jpg

Haplogroup N1c is not Asian. It's Finno-Ugric.

[PaleoEuropean]

Also the Romans are a very new people, Sardinians are one of the only native populations of Mediterraneans left and are largely haplogroup I because of it. The Romans weren't even ancient by non native standards, the Phonecians had existed in the area long before.

[Karaton]

What does @Turk_East stand for and what's their admixture? If you delete it, these people plot first with Kurds and Azerbaijanis (Azerbaijanis are already genetically Iranic).

Nereli bunlar?

The point is Eastern Turks are closer to other Turks than to Kurds, Zazas and etc.

And Azerbaijanis aren't genetically Iranic, they also do score 4-7% East Eurasian

[Karaton]

who cares?

You are in the wrong place if you don't care.

[PaleoEuropean]

Haplogroup N1c is not Asian. It's Finno-Ugric.

You are correctish, there are mongol-turkic N lines though, could be from mixing with Tartars. The more common Turkic Haplogroup C is only 1 percent so the Mongols or whoever carried N had more of an impact on Turkey than the Turk C haplogroup did. 1%-10% of Turkish males can even say that their lineage is Turk. The rest are Europeans and Middle Easterners.

[Kaspias]

Have you asked yourself how many people in Turkey actually have Turkic Paternal ancestors?

Tzepeles Celebi married Turkic women from Mesud I but he was Greek, and his son was Greek who was Turkic admixed.

How do you know who are paternally Turks and who are Anatolian Rûm people who married Turkish females and got Turkic influenced?

You see that's the question we on Balkans have as well regarding I2a1b and R1a people, one of those two isn't Slavic, same goes for Turks in Anatolia.

But you Turks don't care, you all want to be Turks even if you are not.

I wonder how can someone enjoy cheering Turkic ancestors like Alp Arslan without knowing for sure he has Turkic Paternal ancestry.

I have asked. It can't be determined certainly. J2 Also found in Turkmens with high amounts. R was the main haplogroup of Oghuz's. Claiming "Turks are only 15% Turk according to haplogroups" are just bullshit since we don't have the Oghuz sample. How you can fucking determine haplogroup sharing between conqueror Turks and modern Turks without having data of conqueror ones? Oghuzs had mostly Caucasoid haplogroups as expected, not Mongoloid.

Tzepeles Celebi only written in one source which is written by Greek while tons of other sources deny it.


People don't want to be Turk, they're already Turk. You can't deny what you are. It is not about cheering for Turkic ancestors, it is already what they are.

[Jana]

You are correctish, there are mongol-turkic N lines though, could be from mixing with Tartars. The more common Turkic Haplogroup C is only 1 percent so the Mongols or whoever carried N had more of an impact on Turkey than the Turkish C haplogroup did.

Yes, N1b can be related with Turkic people. But C is originally mongolic, not Turkic. It is mongol admixture in some Turks like Kazakhs and Kyrgyz.
In my opinion original Turkic markers were haplogroups Q and N1b. R1a Z93 was Turkicized early on, too.

[PaleoEuropean]

Yes, N1b can be related with Turkic people. But C is mongolic, not Turkic. It is mongol admixture in some Turks like Kazakhs and Kyrgyz.
In my opinion original Turkic markers were haplogroups Q and N1b. R1a Z93 was Turkicized early on, too.

That study list is for All N clades I think so it's not referring to any particular clade just broad. C is found in Chinese Turkic lands, could be from the Mongols though. R1a though is Indo-Aryan in origin, all R's came from Iran same with all G's. They might have a higher admixture of Turkic, but they themselves are for sure indo-Aryans. Before the Mongol invasion of Central Asia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan all those countries were Iranian colonies and kingdoms.

[Thambi]

about 20-40% it seems. leaning more towards 20.

"Turkish_Balikesir:Average",
"fit": 1.0246,
"Turkmen": 38.33,
"Greek": 32.5,
"Armenian": 29.17,
"Iranian_Persian": 0,

"Turkish_Istanbul:Average",
"fit": 0.3528,
"Greek": 43.33,
"Armenian": 24.17,
"Turkmen": 21.67,
"Iranian_Persian": 10.83

Turkish_Kayseri:Average",
"fit": 0.4452,
"Armenian": 63.33,
"Turkmen": 21.67,
"Greek": 15,
"Iranian_Persian": 0

[PaleoEuropean]

You must have the IQ of an ape. We have dozens of DNA samples from Hunnic and Medieval Turkic periods. Here are the Y-DNA haplogroups of Hunnic and Medieval Turkic individuals (no sample from the Oghuz though, they had a lot of N probably).

Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0094-2
https://abload.de/img/ydna2pehe.png

Comparing a real Turk to a Turkish still makes no sense, go back to your madrasa xD. Also R is from Iran so yea, the majority were Iranian in anycase smart guy. J and R both middle eastern together dwarfs the actual Asian DNA. Simple math. Wan't me to send you links on how to read a pie chart, where haplogroups come from and addition?

[Kaspias]

.


.

++++

[PaleoEuropean]

Those were real Turks you fucking idiot. They had shitload of West Eurasian haplogroups. Only anthrotards with the IQ of an ape like you repeat the same myth that "haplogroup C is proto-Turkic!!!!" and shit.


Medieval Turkic samples from Central Asia are predominantly West Eurasian (both Y-DNA and autosomal DNA wise).
https://abload.de/img/untitled-1copy9xk8s.png

I don't think you grasp the English language very well. You are validating what I am saying probably better than I have XD. Thank you.

[PaleoEuropean]

Turks have more East Eurasian ancestry than any European ethnic group (excluding Idel-Ural region where Tatars, Chuvashes and Uralic folks live).


Here are some Global K25 nMonte runs with Turkish_Balikesir (West Anatolian Turks who are 13-14% East Eurasian on average).


Turkish_Balıkesir (West Anatolia) model 1:

Greek (mainland)
Greek_Central_Anatolia
Greek_Trabzon
Kipchak (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipchaks) (Medieval Turkic samples from Central Asia, Kipchaks were among the eastern neighbours of the Oghuz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oghuz_Turks))



Model
Sample
Details
Fit
Map
Greek
Greek Central Anatolia
Greek Crete
Kipchak


1
Greek +Greek_Central_Anatolia +Greek_Crete +Kipchak
Turkish_Balikesir:Average

1.4594

23.33
40
1.67
35




Turkish_Balıkesir (West Anatolia) model 2:

Greek (mainland)
Greek_Central_Anatolia
Greek_Trabzon
Karluk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karluks) (Medieval Turkic samples from Central Asia, Karluks were among the eastern neighbours of the Oghuz)



Model
Sample
Details
Fit
Map
Greek
Greek Central Anatolia
Greek Crete
Karluk


1
Greek +Greek_Central_Anatolia +Greek_Crete +Karluk
Turkish_Balikesir:Average

1.3344

30
41.67
0.83
27.5




Turk_Balıkesir (West Anatolia) model 3:

Greek (mainland)
Greek_Central_Anatolia
Greek_Trabzon
Turk_Medieval (Göktürk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kt%C3%BCrks)-period Turkic samples from Central Asia)



Model
Sample
Details
Fit
Map
Greek
Greek Central Anatolia
Greek Crete
Turk Medieval


1
Greek +Greek_Central_Anatolia +Greek_Crete +Turk_Medieval
Turkish_Balikesir:Average

1.4151

7.5
43.33
12.5
36.67



I am talking about Turkish people from Turkey, their haplogroups only have a small percent of actual Turkic haplogroups, comprende?

[Thambi]

Turkish_Adana:Average",
"fit": 0.9961,
"Armenian": 40,
"Iranian_Persian": 25,
"Greek": 19.17,
"Turkmen": 15.83

Turkish_Aydin:Average",
"fit": 1.4161,
"Turkmen": 41.67,
"Greek": 31.67,
"Armenian": 26.67,
"Iranian_Persian": 0

Turkish_Trabzon:Average", (zero turkmen/central asian)
"fit": 1.9691,
"Armenian": 95.83,
"Greek": 4.17,
"Iranian_Persian": 0,
"Turkmen": 0,

Kurdish:Average", (kurdish average from turkey gets zero turkmen as well).
"fit": 0.8943,
"Iranian_Persian": 64.17,
"Armenian": 35,
"Greek": 0.83,
"Turkmen": 0,

[Cumansky]

92% Polish + 8% Turkmen @ 2.12

Why Turkmens is good proxy? I'm more Turkic than Kurds and Caucasian Turks, I think Azeris too.

[FinalFlash]

Almost all Turks have Central Asian admixture greater than 10%.

Except Trabzon Turks and Eastern Turks who have virtually none.

[Marmara]

Except Trabzon Turks and Eastern Turks who have virtually none.

Trabzon Turks are converted Pontic Greeks, Eastern Turks are converted Armenians, both constitute a very small percentage.

[FinalFlash]

Trabzon Turks are converted Pontic Greeks, Eastern Turks are converted Armenians.

Possibly. Eastern Turks, Armenians, Trabzon Turks and Greeks, as well as Laz to a lesser extent are all very close genetically to one another more than any of them are to Kurds or Western Turks. Western Turks ironically have the most real Turkic admixture.

[Karaton]

Possibly. Eastern Turks, Armenians, Trabzon Turks and Greeks, as well as Laz to a lesser extent are all very close genetically to one another more than any of them are to Kurds or Western Turks. Western Turks ironically have the most real Turkic admixture.

In the east, only the Erzurum province has this profile. Other regions show Turkic admixture.

[FinalFlash]

In the east, only the Erzurum province has this profile. Other regions show Turkic admixture.

Trabzon Turks do as well as some other towns/cities most likely. Asian admixture in the East ranges from very slim to absolute zero based off what I've seen.

[Karaton]

Trabzon Turks do as well as some other towns/cities most likely. Asian admixture in the East ranges from very slim to absolute zero based off what I've seen.

Well Trabzon in Eastern Black Sea reigon. We you say "East" Trabzon generally is not included.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

All Turks are not Anatolian farmers.

Armenians are the most closer population to the original Anatolian farmers nowadays

[Karaton]

Armenians are the most closer population to the original Anatolian farmers nowadays

They are not. It's Sardinians.

[Kaspias]

Armenians are the most closer population to the original Anatolian farmers nowadays

Excuse me wtf

[FinalFlash]

Well Trabzon in Eastern Black Sea reigon. We you say "East" Trabzon generally is not included.

Generally anything outside of the Anatolia region is what I meant which includes modern day Eastern Turkey and Eastern Black Sea regions.

[FinalFlash]

Armenians are the most closer population to the original Anatolian farmers nowadays

Sardinians, Basque, and Southern Europeans in general score the highest Barcin_N or EEF

[AphroditeWorshiper]

My bad, I tought it was Armenians :whistle:

[Cumansky]

Use this account run some models:

http://185.144.156.77:3000/?passcode=level2p0938

[Thambi]

Use this account run some models:

http://185.144.156.77:3000/?passcode=level2p0938

Azeris get 15% central asian admix, so they're roughly 7-8% east eurasian it seems.

Azeri:Average",
"fit": 0.6447,
"Iranian_Persian": 44.17,
"Armenian": 40,
"Turkmen": 14.17,
"Greek": 1.67,

[Cumansky]

Azeris get 15% central asian admix, so they're roughly 7-8% east eurasian it seems.

Azeri:Average",
"fit": 0.6447,
"Iranian_Persian": 44.17,
"Armenian": 40,
"Turkmen": 14.17,
"Greek": 1.67,

Use my account up to 10 pops, I'm trying see around Eurasia.

[Kyp]

92% Polish + 8% Turkmen @ 2.12

Why Turkmens is good proxy? I'm more Turkic than Kurds and Caucasian Turks, I think Azeris too.

my father (75%Azeri-Iranian)

70,51% Kurdish + 29,49% Turkmen @ 4,196
90,04% Azeri + 9,96% Turkmen @ 4,219

[Thambi]

Use my account up to 10 pops, I'm trying see around Eurasia.

I tried modelling some central asian populations with these 4 groups (iranian, mongolian, russian, south indian). Fits aren't too bad actually, atleast for most of em.

https://i.imgur.com/bvpEMD8.png

[Cumansky]

I tried modelling some central asian populations with these 4 groups (iranian, mongolian, russian, south indian). Fits aren't too bad actually, atleast for most of em.

https://i.imgur.com/bvpEMD8.png

Tajiks mostly Iranian? My Father family get alot from them, same with Hungarians and Romanians but probably they have boosted Roma we don't.

[Mamberi]

to make this shit clear there have been no a remarkable Arab in anatolia. Turks mixed with many other groups esspecially with Persians and Greeks. İf you want to know a real Turks looking you need to look reconstruction of Tamerlane s face which reconstructed by Russians.

[Thambi]

Tajiks mostly Iranian? My Father family get alot from them, same with Hungarians and Romanians but probably they have boosted Roma we don't.

yeah they're pretty much steppe/slightly mongoloid shifted versions of iranians and pashtuns. tajik is very unlikely imo in the balkan region since tajiks barely get any mongoloid. Tajiks aren't even turkic actually. They're iranic so the turkic/cuman admix couldn't come from them.

[Borealis]

I tried modelling some central asian populations with these 4 groups (iranian, mongolian, russian, south indian). Fits aren't too bad actually, atleast for most of em.

https://i.imgur.com/bvpEMD8.png


Tajiks mostly Iranian? My Father family get alot from them, same with Hungarians and Romanians but probably they have boosted Roma we don't.

Just so you know, 3.7 isn't really a great fit in the context of strictly west Eurasian populations. Iranians are too ANF shifted in relation to Tajiks. You need a more eastern population like Kalash.

"sample": "Tajik_Yagnobi:Average",
"fit": 2.2972,
"Iranian_Persian": 40,
"Kalash": 35,
"Norwegian": 22.5,
"Mongola": 2.5,

[Cumansky]

yeah they're pretty much steppe/slightly mongoloid shifted versions of iranians and pashtuns. tajik is very unlikely imo in the balkan region since they barely get any mongoloid. Tajiks aren't even turkic actually. They're iranic so the turkic/cuman admix couldn't come from them.

We are Jasz people, and that is Iranic, related with Ossetian population.

Polish, Uncle: 80.9% Belarusian + 19.1% North_Ossetian

Cumans have been rumoured to assimilate noble house that my Father descended from but I have no proof of that other than my Turkic %, there is no Cuman samples.

[Cumansky]

Just so you know, 3.7 isn't really a great fit in the context of strictly west Eurasian populations. Iranians are too ANF shifted in relation to Tajiks. You need a more eastern population like Kalash.

"sample": "Tajik_Yagnobi:Average",
"fit": 2.2972,
"Iranian_Persian": 40,
"Kalash": 35,
"Norwegian": 22.5,
"Mongola": 2.5,

What is Kalash, where did they come from?

[Thambi]

What is Kalash, where did they come from?

Kalash are just a population from pakistan. They're indo aryan population from south asia but they're genetically almost similar to pashtuns

[Cumansky]

Kalash are just a population from pakistan. They're indo aryan population from south asia but they're genetically almost similar to pashtuns

Can you run some ancient Steppe models for my region?

I am user "Idwaajeden", the webrunner don't load for me.

[Thambi]

Can you run some ancient Steppe models for my region?

I am user "Idwaajeden", the webrunner don't load for me.

I think this is a good fit.

"Custom:AGUser_Idwaajeden",
"fit": 1.7235,
"KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro": 68.33,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 15.83,
"Anatolia_Barcin_N": 8.33,
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria": 7.5,

[Bornoz]

My bad, I tought it was Armenians :whistle:

You imagine things bruh

Turks from randon regions based on Dodecad k12b. You can see which region they are from just by looking at their closest match.


1)Single Population Approximation List:
1. Turk_Central_West @ 4,665704
2. Turk_Southwest @ 4,858477
3. Turk_South @ 5,18972
4. Turk_Central_East @ 5,31014
5. Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 5,378372
6. Turk_West_Black_Sea @ 5,410849
7. Turk_Northwest @ 7,795441
8. Turk_Southeast @ 8,145808
9. Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 9,74332
10. Azerbaijani @ 10,506026
11. Turk_Cyprus @ 10,560269
12. Turk_East @ 10,735492
13. Turkmen_Iraq @ 12,005156
14. Azerbaijani_Iran @ 12,66593
15. Greek_Cappadocia @ 12,759564
16. Nusayri_Turkey @ 12,992944
17. Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 13,329159
18. Azov_Greek @ 13,508033
19. Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 13,531244
20. Greek_Crete @ 13,61229

2)Population Approximation List:

1. Turk_Northwest @ 4,068427
2. Turk_West_Black_Sea @ 5,140495
3. Turk_Southwest @ 5,257337
4. Turk_Central_West @ 6,981389
5. Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 7,396844
6. Turk_South @ 7,95061
7. Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 8,365004
8. Turk_Central_East @ 8,75574
9. Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 9,937153
10. Azov_Greek @ 11,059638
11. Turk_Thrace @ 11,743492
12. Turk_Southeast @ 12,137611
13. Karachay @ 13,089144
14. Azerbaijani @ 13,325951
15. Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 13,368174
16. Alan_DA162 @ 13,785894
17. Kumyk @ 14,016212
18. Turk_Bulgaria @ 14,026903
19. Nogai @ 14,278144
20. Turk_East @ 14,373329

3)Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Southwest @ 5,985048
2 Turk_South @ 6,325409
3 Turk_Northwest @ 6,925179
4 Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 7,115195
5 Turk_Central_West @ 7,123033
6 Turk_West_Black_Sea @ 7,440403
7 Turk_Central_East @ 8,322253
8 Azerbaijani @ 10,629421
9 Turk_Southeast @ 10,82176
10 Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 11,558062
11 Azerbaijani_Iran @ 12,185348
12 Turk_East @ 13,237164
13 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 13,469287
14 Karachay @ 14,29744
15 Circassian_Kabardian @ 14,31596
16 Turkmen_Ashgabat @ 15,068533
17 Azerbaijani_Dagestan @ 15,145475
18 Kumyk @ 15,426808
19 DA162_Alan @ 15,454876
20 Balkar @ 15,571612

4)Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Northwest @ 4,043254
2 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 6,444525
3 Turk_West_Black_Sea @ 6,705923
4 Turk_Southwest @ 6,734181
5 Turk_Central_West @ 9,214358
6 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 10,7147
7 Turk_Thrace @ 10,782421
8 Turk_South @ 10,878732
9 Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 11,532077
10 Turk_Central_East @ 12,029061
11 Turk_Bulgaria @ 14,739115
12 DA162_Alan @ 14,975954
13 Turk_Southeast @ 15,218512
14 Azerbaijani @ 15,54963
15 Circassian_Kabardian @ 15,944714
16 Kumyk @ 16,013538
17 Nogai @ 16,192801
18 Karachay @ 16,220956
19 Greek_Crete @ 16,288505
20 Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 16,847231

5) Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Northwest @ 4,389465
2 Turk_West_Black_Sea @ 4,397374
3 Turk_Southwest @ 4,910855
4 Turk_Central_West @ 6,067957
5 Turk_South @ 7,425611
6 Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 7,508509
7 Turk_Central_East @ 8,203194
8 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 8,70648
9 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 11,365021
10 Turk_Southeast @ 12,049058
11 Azerbaijani @ 12,465621
12 DA162_Alan @ 12,747765
13 Karachay @ 12,773289
14 Circassian_Kabardian @ 12,776831
15 Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 13,122084
16 Turk_East @ 13,239554
17 Turk_Thrace @ 13,553483
18 Balkar @ 14,121459
19 Azerbaijani_Iran @ 14,221575
20 Kumyk @ 14,504851

6)Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Southwest @ 4,31312
2 Turk_Northwest @ 4,418744
3 Turk_West_Black_Sea @ 4,628672
4 Turk_Central_West @ 6,512772
5 Turk_South @ 8,114518
6 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 8,253211
7 Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 8,598209
8 Turk_Central_East @ 8,954692
9 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 11,531036
10 Turk_Southeast @ 12,767745
11 Azerbaijani @ 13,04762
12 Turk_Thrace @ 13,098809
13 Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 13,707837
14 Karachay @ 13,886101
15 DA162_Alan @ 13,912024
16 Circassian_Kabardian @ 14,002946
17 Turk_East @ 14,261273
18 Azerbaijani_Iran @ 14,897312
19 Kumyk @ 15,4052
20 Balkar @ 15,609026

7)Single Population Approximation List:
1. Turk_Northwest @ 5,299538
2. Turk_Southwest @ 5,378736
3. Turk_West_Black_Sea @ 5,686712
4. Turk_Central_West @ 6,460588
5. Turk_South @ 7,724454
6. Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 7,82319
7. Turk_Central_East @ 8,037313
8. Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 10,565969
9. Turk_Southeast @ 11,152166
10. Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 12,587081
11. Turk_Cyprus @ 12,649612
12. Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 12,834364
13. Azov_Greek @ 12,905107
14. Turk_East @ 12,920557
15. Azerbaijani @ 13,061691
16. Turk_Thrace @ 13,882111
17. Turkmen_Iraq @ 14,273324
18. Karachay @ 14,450422
19. Greek_Crete @ 14,648628
20. Nusayri_Turkey @ 14,973497

8)Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Central_West @ 2,210181
2 Turk_Central_East @ 3,558427
3 Turk_South @ 3,721384
4 Turk_West_Black_Sea @ 4,049136
5 Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 4,53772
6 Turk_Southwest @ 5,182654
7 Turk_Southeast @ 6,68775
8 Turk_Northwest @ 7,897278
9 Azerbaijani @ 8,082766
10 Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 8,666458
11 Turk_East @ 8,980535
12 Azerbaijani_Iran @ 9,974999
13 Turkmen_Iraq @ 12,395822
14 Turk_Cyprus @ 12,656781
15 Kurd_Kurmanji @ 12,799109
16 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 12,81048
17 Zaza @ 13,133827
18 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 13,636477
19 Greek_Crete @ 13,972999
20 Kurd_Sorani @ 14,424053

9)Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_West_Black_Sea @ 4,931673
2 Turk_Southwest @ 5,258669
3 Turk_Northwest @ 5,440708
4 Turk_Central_West @ 7,112398
5 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 7,784016
6 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 9,02563
7 Turk_South @ 9,777904
8 Turk_Central_East @ 10,145437
9 Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 10,283929
10 Turk_Thrace @ 10,561382
11 Greek_Crete @ 11,640971
12 Turk_Southeast @ 13,586306
13 Turk_Cyprus @ 13,934891
14 Azerbaijani @ 14,875403
15 Turk_East @ 15,410006
16 S_Italian_Sicilian @ 15,570767
17 Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 15,591568
18 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 15,600731
19 Greek_Peloponnese @ 15,628199
20 Turk_Bulgaria @ 16,21955

10)Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_South_West @ 4,138333
2 Turk_West_Black_Sea @ 5,081702
3 Turk_Central_West @ 5,467184
4 Turk_North_West @ 5,611453
5 Turk_South @ 6,919227
6 Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 7,453637
7 Turk_Central_East @ 7,716281
8 Turk_South_East @ 9,917485
9 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 10,761947
10 Azerbaijani @ 11,892905
11 Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 12,891959
12 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 13,025698
13 Turk_East @ 13,22771
14 Azerbaijani_Iran @ 13,728492
15 Turk_Thrace @ 14,775351
16 Karachay @ 14,909447
17 Circassian_Kabardian @ 14,945665
18 Turk_Cyprus @ 15,012228
19 DA162_Alan @ 15,046913
20 Balkar @ 16,15018

Where is Armenian?

https://media.giphy.com/media/6uGhT1O4sxpi8/giphy.gif

[Cumansky]

I think this is a good fit.

"Custom:AGUser_Idwaajeden",
"fit": 1.7235,
"KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro": 68.33,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 15.83,
"Anatolia_Barcin_N": 8.33,
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria": 7.5,

Can you breakdown Sintashta further?

[Cumansky]

Sometimes 4 populations can't tell the whole story, use my account up to 10 populations.

[Cumansky]

Try samples preferably from same era.

[Anxiety]

There are some like xiperyum but the overwhelming majority is Kurd-Arab mix.

This screams: "I am a hater, let me think of a quick insult that makes me look ignorant".

[Anxiety]

We have 50% Hellenic Mediterranean aDNA and nobody calls himself Greek or Italian

Turks have 10-15% Central Asian admixture and they call themselves "Turks" a Turan people like Mongols, Kazakhs etc.

They are idiots.

Newsflash: Turk does not refer to "Turan, Mongols, Kazakh" people like you are implying. We would be "idiots" if we'd identify as them directly, which we dont. So your argument is invalid, which makes you the actual "idiot". :picard1:

[PaleoEuropean]

Anxiety just spams thumbs down because he doesn't like evidence or science XD. Nice contribution broskey.

[Yaglakar]

Yes, N1b can be related with Turkic people. But C is originally mongolic, not Turkic. It is mongol admixture in some Turks like Kazakhs and Kyrgyz.
In my opinion original Turkic markers were haplogroups Q and N1b. R1a Z93 was Turkicized early on, too.

That is not true. Only subclades matter and as it turns out some of Kazakh subclades of C are not related to the mongol expansion. They separated many thousands of years ago. Same thing could be said about my haplogroup Q-m346, I along with some Altain groups and Kets have a common male ancestor who lived in central Siberia . Is it originally Turkic haplogroup/subclade or a Yeniseyen one that was later Turkicised. We just don't know yet. But what I am sure of is that original carriers of pre proto-Turkic language were completely Mongoloid autosomally.

[Dorian]

This screams: "I am a hater, let me think of a quick insult that makes me look ignorant".

http://media.wwg.com/2017/05/injutice-2-everything-brainiac-209104.jpg

[PaleoEuropean]

Newsflash: Turk does not refer to "Turan, Mongols, Kazakh" people like you are implying. We would be "idiots" if we'd identify as them directly, which we dont. So your argument is invalid, which makes you the actual "idiot". :picard1:

I like how you have zero evidence and call people idiots XD. Go play with your legos and put your helmet on.

[Anxiety]

Anxiety just spams thumbs down because he doesn't like evidence or science XD. Nice contribution broskey.

You mean "bullsh based off my personal grudge against your people". You really should seek a counselor for all that internalised frustrations that you are spewing here. Get better soon! :thumb001:


I like how you have zero evidence and call people idiots XD. Go play with your legos and put your helmet on.

Are you referring to yourself? I see countless misguided posts of you, more than that of actual Turks, on a topic which is not even relevant to you. You either have no clue about Turkish genealogy because of sheer ignorance or you are purposely making false statements to express your personal issues, which you seem to really struggle with. I feel sorry for you.

[PaleoEuropean]

You mean "bullsh based off my personal grudge against your people". You really should seek a counselor for all that internalised frustrations that you are spewing here. Get better soon! :thumb001:



Are you referring to yourself? I see countless misguided posts of you, more than that of actual Turks, on a topic which is not even relevant to you. You either have no clue about Turkish genealogy because of sheer ignorance or you are purposely making false statements to express your personal issues, which you seem to really struggle with. I feel sorry for you.

Keep thumbing me down you seem less salty that way xD

https://i.imgur.com/StXr4m9.jpg

[Anxiety]

Keep thumbing me down you seem less salty that way xD

Seems like you are not taking it too well. :rolleyes:
I am merely making use of the forum functions. If you want to complain, complain to the website developers.

[Dorian]

Keep thumbing me down you seem less salty that way xD

https://i.imgur.com/StXr4m9.jpg

Do you even read this anime's posts after first ten words?
http://media.wwg.com/2017/05/injutice-2-everything-brainiac-209104.jpg

[Anxiety]

Lmao. Seems like I have really upset a couple of insecure individuals here. :rolleyes:

http://66.media.tumblr.com/018442d9392c6e4095290b4fd3404f24/tumblr_nj7wk1b94H1qk08n1o2_500.gif

[Dorian]

Lmao. Seems like I have really upset a couple of insecure individuals here. :rolleyes:



Don't project your wish,it's just funny how hard you try, "seems" "seems" :laugh:

[Anxiety]

Don't project your wish,it's just funny how hard you try, "seems" "seems" :laugh:

Is that why you're desperately trying to get my attention even after I ignored you?
Did your mommy not give you a hug today? Poor kid.

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[Dorian]

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[Tellmewhy]

Almost every ethnic Turk.