Kura Araxes people: who was them genetically?

[AphroditeWorshiper]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OOeuQCaxHvM/U1dzJLyHVmI/AAAAAAAACh8/Usc7WprvvMY/s1600/IE4.png

[xtal]

All the J2 people

[AphroditeWorshiper]

All the J2 people

did they was like a mix of Maykop and PPNb(Natufian)/Iranian neolithic?

[xtal]

did they was like a mix of Maykop and PPNb(Natufian)/Iranian neolithic?

I’m not sure honestly

[War Chef]

Wine makers.

https://i.imgur.com/J3YoYOJ.jpg

[FinalFlash]

Predecessors of modern day Armenians among various neighboring groups.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Predecessors of modern day Armenians among various neighboring groups.

I have read that they even have influenced Dravidians in India! :eek:

[Crimson Winds]

Nakh

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Nakh

Nakh people came from Maykop, not Kura Araxes, maybe partially

[Crimson Winds]

Nakh people came from Maykop, not Kura Araxes, maybe partially

No. Circassians(Adyge-Abkhaz) came from Maykop, it is evident via geographical, cultural and genetic evidence. Kura Araxes is a predecessor of Hurro-Urartians, speaking a language similar to Northeast Caucasians.

[xtal]

Nakh

That kinda makes sense since kura-araxes culture people were mostly J2 and modern Nakh people have high J2

[Sockorer]

Clearly they were Nordic indo-Europeans.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Clearly they were Nordic indo-Europeans.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=13983&dateline=1559525639

[AphroditeWorshiper]

That kinda makes sense since kura-araxes culture people were mostly J2 and modern Nakh people have high J2

their geographic region it's too big

they was a mix of Caucasian, Hurro Urartian, Anatolians, Iranians and Sumerians/Mesopotamians

[xtal]

their geographic region it's too big

they was a mix of Caucasian, Hurro Urartian, Anatolians, Iranians and Sumerians/Mesopotamians

Not really they were living in the region before arrival of Indo Europeans so my guess is they were mainly Hurro-Urartian and maybe with some Mesopotamian influence

[Sockorer]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=13983&dateline=1559525639

Neanderthals*

[Imperator Biff]

Clearly they were Nordic indo-Europeans.

Some retards are actually claiming this unironically that KA was the PIE urheimet.

[Armenian Bishop]

Araxes River (or Aras River) is a river that flows through the Armenian Highlands; currently, it flows through some areas of present day Turkey, Armenia, Iran and Azerbaijan. The river flows through the Armenian Highlands, despite that the flags of other countries fly over the regions.

The Aras rises near Erzurum in Turkey and meets with the Akhurian River southeast of Digor. From Digor it flows along the closed Turkish-Armenian border, and then runs close to the corridor that connects Turkey to Azerbaijan's Nakhchivan exclave. It then continues along the Iranian-Armenian and the Iranian-Azerbaijan border.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aras_(river)

Armenian Highland, mountainous region of western Asia. It lies mainly in Turkey, occupies all of Armenia, and includes southern Georgia, western Azerbaijan, and northwestern Iran. The highland covers almost 154,400 square miles (400,000 square km).
https://www.britannica.com/place/Armenian-Highland

The region was historically mainly inhabited by Armenians, and minorities of Assyrians, Georgians, Greeks, Jews, and Iranians. During the Middle Ages, Arabs and particularly Turkmens and Kurds settled in large numbers in the Armenian Highlands. The Christian population of the western half of the region was exterminated during the Armenian Genocide of 1915 and on a smaller scale the Assyrian Genocide and Greek Genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Highlands

[Bigsaul]

The closest living population resembling them are the Laz people and Georgians collectively. Armenians have a slight Barchin Neolithic and Levant shift which makes them a bit different but still close also

[sailormoon]

Sample Site Age BP Culture mtDNA Y-DNA

ARM001.A0101 Kaps 5329.5 Kura-Araxes R1a1 ..
ARM002.A0101; ARM003 Kaps 5148.0 Kura-Araxes K3 G2b
VEK006.A0101 Velikent 4850.0 Kura-Araxes U4a2 ..
VEK007.A0101; VEK009 Velikent 4850.0 Kura-Araxes U4a2 J1
VEK008.A0101 Velikent 4850.0 Kura-Araxes U4a2 ..



Wang et al. (2018) found that two Kura-Araxes individuals carried Y-DNA haplogroups G2b and J1. Kura-Araxes individuals were grouped with ‘Armenian Early Bronze Age’ on the PCA plot and they had received additional Iran Chalcolithic-related ancestry (24.9%).




Characterising the Caucasus ancestry profile
The Maykop period, represented by twelve individuals from eight Maykop sites (Maykop, n=2; a cultural variant ‘Novosvobodnaya’ from the site Klady, n=4; and Late Maykop, n=6) in the northern foothills appear homogeneous. These individuals closely resemble the preceding Caucasus Eneolithic individuals and present a continuation of the local genetic profile. This ancestry persists in the following centuries at least until ~3100 yBP (1100 calBCE) in the mountains, as revealed by individuals from Kura-Araxes from both the northeast (Velikent, Dagestan) and the South Caucasus (Kaps, Armenia), as well as Middle and Late Bronze Age individuals (e.g. Kudachurt, Marchenkova Gora) from the north. Overall, this Caucasus ancestry profile falls among the ‘Armenian and Iranian Chalcolithic’ individuals and is indistinguishable from other Kura-Araxes individuals (‘Armenian Early Bronze Age’) on the PCA plot (Fig. 2), suggesting a dual origin involving Anatolian/Levantine and Iran Neolithic/CHG ancestry, with only minimal EHG/WHG contribution possibly as part of the Anatolian farmer-related ancestry23.

The resulting ancestry coefficients do not deviate substantially from 0 (high standard errors) when adding EHG or WHG, suggesting very limited direct ancestry from both hunter-gatherer groups (Supplementary Table 9). Alternatively, when we added Iran Chalcolithic individuals as a third source to the model, we observed that Kura-Araxes and Maykop-Novosvobodnaya individuals had likely received additional Iran Chalcolithic-related ancestry (24.9% and 37.4%, respectively; Fig. 4; Supplementary Table 10).

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/322347v1

[Sockorer]

Some retards are actually claiming this unironically that KA was the PIE urheimet.

Like a decade ago, KA being the PIE urheimet was within the realm of possibility, but it's been made clear at this point that the Yamnaya is without a doubt the PIE urheimet; if anyone is still arguing for KA being the PIE urheimet or India or some other shit, retarded is completely fair descriptor for them.

[War Chef]

Like a decade ago, KA being the PIE urheimet was within the realm of possibility, but it's been made clear at this point that the Yamnaya is without a doubt the PIE urheimet; if anyone is still arguing for KA being the PIE urheimet or India or some other shit, retarded is completely fair descriptor for them.

Not so fast. At least pre-proto-I-E may have been spoken in the Maykop steppe-zone.

[Sockorer]

Not so fast. At least pre-proto-I-E may have been spoken in the Maykop steppe-zone.


Ok maybe, arguing that the Yamnaya somehow got their language from the Maykop is a little bit different than denying that the Yamnaya are the PIE, and arguing for a homeland elsewhere.

[Imperator Biff]

Ok maybe, arguing that the Yamnaya somehow got their language from the Maykop is a little bit different than denying that the Yamnaya are the PIE, and arguing for a homeland elsewhere.
Unlikely seeing as they did not contribute anything genetically to yamnaya.
Some KA samples were also found with steppe ancestry and R1b so it’s looking pretty clear what came from where at this point.