Premyslid Dynasty Y-DNA

[Peterski]

So it seems that the Premyslid dynasty was R1b1a2a1a2c1b1b1a3a1 (which is apparently under "Insular Celtic" R1b-L21 :confused:):

https://ct24.ceskatelevize.cz/domaci/2831966-v-hrobe-pod-svatovitskou-rotundou-neni-knize-borivoj-reporteri-ct-zjistovali-kdo-tam?fbclid=IwAR2C1lkk73VCznmxout7rGpPsV6rjfMKcW469 gntOYTSshi_XZ90dfjjrEQ

^^^ Screenshot from the video which can be found in the link above:

https://i.imgur.com/C3U4K8m.jpg

^^^ Is it this subclade or not?: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S5982/

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I guess it goes to show the Celtic link between Bohemia and Britain.

[Peterski]

TMRCA of this purported Premyslid subclade is ca. 1850 years before present according to YFull, already in the Common Era:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S5982/

^^^ There is one sample of this subclade from North Jutland (sample id YF12824, Nordjylland). Could it be from the Cimbri?:

https://historum.com/threads/cimbri-and-a-rebuttal-to-david-faux.63133/

http://www.davidkfaux.org/Cimbri-Chronology.pdf

http://www.davidkfaux.org/files/Belgae_Britain_R-U152.pdf

[Artek]

Maybe it was wrongly attributed, we don't know the details yet. I mean - Premyslids could have been L21 (it is found in Central Europe sometimes) but this particular insular Celtic subclade (S5982) makes it somewhat less trustworthy.

Therefore I think it is too soon to say that they were S5982.

[Grace O'Malley]

So it seems that the Premyslid dynasty was R1b1a2a1a2c1b1b1a3a1 (which is apparently under "Insular Celtic" R1b-L21 :confused:):

https://ct24.ceskatelevize.cz/domaci/2831966-v-hrobe-pod-svatovitskou-rotundou-neni-knize-borivoj-reporteri-ct-zjistovali-kdo-tam?fbclid=IwAR2C1lkk73VCznmxout7rGpPsV6rjfMKcW469 gntOYTSshi_XZ90dfjjrEQ

^^^ Screenshot from the video which can be found in the link above:

https://i.imgur.com/C3U4K8m.jpg

^^^ Is it this subclade or not?: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S5982/

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I guess it goes to show the Celtic link between Bohemia and Britain.

It just shows how wrong it is to attribute ydna groups to nationalities. It is not accurate to do so and personally I find it unhelpful. It confuses a lot of people who don't have much knowledge of genetics. R1b-L21 is not just found in Celts. It is older than any Celtic group and we don't even know if any historical Celts i.e. Halstatt and Le Tene will have any L21 anyway. Testing down to the most recent subclade is much more informative.

[Dick]

It just shows how wrong it is to attribute ydna groups to nationalities. It is not accurate to do so and personally I find it unhelpful. It confuses a lot of people who don't have much knowledge of genetics. R1b-L21 is not just found in Celts. It is older than any Celtic group and we don't even know if any historical Celts i.e. Halstatt and Le Tene will have any L21 anyway. Testing down to the most recent subclade is much more informative.

Celts, Germanics, Slavics, Romance etc are just social constructs from the Middle Ages. Tribes had no clue as to which meta-ethnicity they belonged to.

[Grace O'Malley]

Just looking at that article linked.


“In the current population, we find the highest concentration of people with the R1B haplogroup in Western Europe and the British Isles. And this area is also predicted to be where the R1B haplogroup originated. Here the people survived and from there they spread further to Europe, ”says geneticist Daniel Vaněk. According to him, it is typical for Germans and Celts, so it is called the Celtic-Germanic group.

The founders of our state thus had Celtic-Germanic roots. And about 26 percent of the current Czech population has a similar origin to Saint Wenceslas. As for the representation of the haplogroup R1B in the Czech population, the second most numerous. Only the East European group, sometimes called Slavic, has a greater representation. There are about 37% of people in the Czech Republic.

And that man is a geneticist? So much incorrect information is reported in the media so what a mess and no wonder most people haven't a clue if geneticists can state something so incorrect and that even most novices would know better. :picard2:

[Dick]

R1b is typical in Cameroon and Amerindians too but I'm no geneticist so don't take my word for it

[Grace O'Malley]

R1b is typical in Cameroon and Amerindians too but I'm no geneticist so don't take my word for it

The one most of us Europeans are descended from is R1b-M269 and this is the case for L21. R1b-V88 is the one in Cameroon. This is from Eupedia which might not be the greatest of sources but all R i.e. both R1a and R1b originated in Siberia which I'm sure you are aware of.


Like its northern counterpart (R1b-M269), R1b-V88 is associated with the domestication of cattle in northern Mesopotamia. Both branches of R1b probably split soon after cattle were domesticated, approximately 10,500 years ago (8,500 BCE). R1b-V88 migrated south towards the Levant and Egypt.

R1b most definitely didn't originate in Western Europe though and L21 didn't originate in Ireland or the Celts.

[Dick]

R1b most definitely didn't originate in Western Europe though and L21 didn't originate in Ireland or the Celts.

Liam Neeson agrees with you.

[Peterski]

R1b-L21 is not just found in Celts. It is older than any Celtic group

But this specific subclade is dated to 2700 years ago (formed) and +/- 1850 years ago (TMRCA) by YFull, so rather young!:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S5982/

[Grace O'Malley]

But this specific subclade is dated to 2700 years ago (formed) and +/- 1850 years ago (TMRCA) by YFull, so rather young!:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S5982/

Thanks. I was trying to find what subclade it was. It would be interesting what someone on Anthrogenica says about it.

[Mikula]

Anyway, Přemyslids were aRoyal dynasty, what could be (or not) of another origin than the nation under their rule (see Rurikids at Kievian Rus). But R1b hablogroup among the Czechs is almost so much frequent like R1a

[Peterski]

Here is about haplogroups of Great Moravian nobility:

https://www.radio.cz/en/section/in-focus/dna-test-traces-direct-descendants-of-great-moravian-noblemen?fbclid=IwAR2UYaJM_lmJzRfJy9phFhboM7-fqFbT8rmMyzTvGvgCn00F758inSJQOKk