Who are the descendants of Scythians?

[sushi]

Which people have Scythian DNA in them today?

*Hope this is the right thread to post this in.*

[Turul Karom]

The Magyars and other Turkic people who also have Scythian backgrounds.

We (Magyars) even keep the mustache, though it is now known more commonly as the "Hungarian" style in Europe and the larger world. Top pic is the oldest example of the Hungarian mustache, taken from a Scythian grave felt in the Altai. Bottom two are of Árpád (Hungarian leader who conquered modern day Hungary from Asia) and the other Hungarian chieftains.

https://i.imgur.com/aqmPTYU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qzFd21O.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pmGtXWG.jpg

[sushi]

That’s awesome, thanks for post!

[Borealis]

Sakas went extinct

[Pansarkamrat]

I dont know but i have heard that finns-ugrics got schytian admix.

[Ayetooey]

South slavs; specifically from the Ukrainian based Sarmatians.

[Anxiety]

Then where do the russians come from

[Turul Karom]

Then where do the russians come from

The Russians are a confederation of Slavs who were united; the original Kievan Rus were descendants of Vikings from Scandinavia. There is debate as to how much the Rus were Viking and how much were Slavs who predated their arrival.

[Pansarkamrat]

The Russians are a confederation of Slavs who were united; the original Kievan Rus were descendants of Vikings from Scandinavia. There is debate as to how much the Rus were Viking and how much were Slavs who predated their arrival. Where comes the Pre Slavic and Baltid phenotype in Russians from then?

[Turul Karom]

Where comes the Pre Slavic and Baltid phenotype in Russians from then?

What do you mean? And which Russians? The Russian identity today is not as old as the Kievan Rus. You must narrow the scope for the time period we are talking about; most areas Russia occupies today have once been occupied by Ugrics and Turkics. Therefore saying "Russians" today is too broad when talking about possible pre-Slavic phenotypes.

What is your take on the viking theory of the Rus?

[Pansarkamrat]

What do you mean? And which Russians? The Russian identity today is not as old as the Kievan Rus. You must narrow the scope for the time period we are talking about; most areas Russia occupies today have once been occupied by Ugrics and Turkics. Therefore saying "Russians" today is too broad when talking about possible pre-Slavic phenotypes.

What is your take on the viking theory of the Rus? It sounds very possible but i no to little about the subject to Have an opinion of it.

[Leto]

The Russians are a confederation of Slavs who were united; the original Kievan Rus were descendants of Vikings from Scandinavia. There is debate as to how much the Rus were Viking and how much were Slavs who predated their arrival.
The Varangians were only an elite minority and got absorbed/assimilated within several generations. Just as the old Bulgars in Bulgaria.

[Leto]

What do you mean? And which Russians? The Russian identity today is not as old as the Kievan Rus. You must narrow the scope for the time period we are talking about; most areas Russia occupies today have once been occupied by Ugrics and Turkics. Therefore saying "Russians" today is too broad when talking about possible pre-Slavic phenotypes.
In the 16th century, before the expansion eastwards and southwards, Russians were genetically the same as today. At least the ones in European Russia.

[Turul Karom]

In the 16th century, before the expansion eastwards and southwards, Russians were genetically the same as today.

I am not talking about the Russian identity today vs. the Russian identity during the Russian imperial conquests of Eurasia. As you quoted, I said that the Russians are a confederation of Slavs who were united. I was talking about the Kievan Rus and their namesake relevance and their own origins. A lot of Slavic groups went into making the "Russians" of the 16th century.

[Leto]

Which people have Scythian DNA in them today?

*Hope this is the right thread to post this in.*
Kazakhs maybe? I posted one some time ago
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?236504-Kazakh-GEDmatch-Results

[Leto]

I am not talking about the Russian identity today vs. the Russian identity during the Russian imperial conquests of Eurasia. As you quoted, I said that the Russians are a confederation of Slavs who were united. I was talking about the Kievan Rus and their namesake relevance and their own origins. A lot of Slavic groups went into making the "Russians" of the 16th century.
Then you should've said the Rus' people, not Russians. The pre-Christian Rus elite was most likely of Nordic origin.

[Turul Karom]

Then you should've said the Rus' people, not Russians. The pre-Christian Rus elite was most likely of Nordic origin.


The Russians are a confederation of Slavs who were united; the original Kievan Rus were descendants of Vikings from Scandinavia. There is debate as to how much the Rus were Viking and how much were Slavs who predated their arrival.

https://i.imgur.com/SDATDPU.jpg

[sushi]

Kazakhs maybe? I posted one some time ago
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?236504-Kazakh-GEDmatch-Results

Took a look at it, very interesting.

[Slavic Italian]

I am not talking about the Russian identity today vs. the Russian identity during the Russian imperial conquests of Eurasia. As you quoted, I said that the Russians are a confederation of Slavs who were united. I was talking about the Kievan Rus and their namesake relevance and their own origins. A lot of Slavic groups went into making the "Russians" of the 16th century.

You talking about the East Slavic tribes?

[Turul Karom]

You talking about the East Slavic tribes?

Yes, who unified into the "Russians" long after the Viking or "Scandinavian" Rus identity had been negated as a possible alternative to the Slavic identity. We are not even talking about the complicated relationship between pagan Nordic Rus vs. the Slavic pagans, who had different ideas on religion pre-Christianity.

[Slavic Italian]

Then you should've said the Rus' people, not Russians. The pre-Christian Rus elite was most likely of Nordic origin.

That would clarify this on my IBD results.
AAB_Nordic_LN_RISE98 10.396912
Russian_North_HGDP00880 8.931932
Russian_North_HGDP00888 8.385822
Russian_North_HGDP00886 8.24023

[Papastratosels26]

It's a mystery.

[Cumansky]

Me

[Cumansky]

Mixed:

55 Latvian
30 Serbian
12.5 Scythian Hungary
2.5 Karasuk

Fit: 1.0939

Ancient:

43.33 Scythian Hungary
40.83 Baltic BA
13.33 Balkans BA
2.5 Saka Tian Shan

Fit: 2.2461

[Leto]

Kazakhs maybe? I posted one some time ago
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?236504-Kazakh-GEDmatch-Results
The Communist leader of Kazakhstan looks part Caucasoid, I can clearly see the West Eurasian in him (probably 40-45%). He is from Northern Kazakhstan, the Middle Zhuz.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Zhambyl_Akhmetbekov_2011.jpg/549px-Zhambyl_Akhmetbekov_2011.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Zhambyl_Akhmetbekov_1.jpg/640px-Zhambyl_Akhmetbekov_1.jpg

[xtal]

Ossetians (aka Alans), Jassic people and some Pamiris are the direct descendant of them. Some may argue Pashtuns are remnants of indo Scythian kingdom. Scythians also played a crucial role in development of other groups such as Turkic populations, Slavs of northern Black Sea and Kuban region, and to lesser extent in Central Europeans and some North Iranians.

[PaleoEuropean]

Ossetians (aka Alans), Jassic people and some Pamiris are the direct descendant of them. Some may argue Pashtuns are remnants of indo Scythian kingdom. Scythians also played a crucial role in development of other groups such as Turkic populations, Slavs of northern Black Sea and Kuban region, and to lesser extent in Central Europeans and some North Iranians.

You sir are correct

[Zeus]

I always thought the Ossetians would be the last remnants of the scythians and Alans. I would expect that The original majority were probably assimilated into Russians and other slavs.

[Matxe92]

Central asians among others.

[HungryLion]

Why u think schytians were asian?
Acctually it's oposite.

[PaleoEuropean]

Scythians are now 1000 different tribes and nations. They were a broad people.

https://i.imgur.com/AAlSMdL.png

[Roy]

Afghans, Uzbeks, Kazakhs have a lot of Scythian ancestry, in Europe Hungarians & Ukrainians (possibly).

[sushi]

I appreciate everyone’s info, now it’s more clear to me.

[AlfonsoVIII]

Ukrainians and Russians from the steppes (Belgorod, Tver and Kursk) are the most genetically related to the ancient Scythians. In fact it can be said that they are descendants of Slavized Scythians. Magyars of Iazyge origin would be the following. As for the current Ossetians, they would be descendants of Sarmatians and not of Scythians.

[Pandit]

The Magyars and other Turkic people who also have Scythian backgrounds.

We (Magyars) even keep the mustache, though it is now known more commonly as the "Hungarian" style in Europe and the larger world. Top pic is the oldest example of the Hungarian mustache, taken from a Scythian grave felt in the Altai. Bottom two are of Árpád (Hungarian leader who conquered modern day Hungary from Asia) and the other Hungarian chieftains.

https://i.imgur.com/aqmPTYU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qzFd21O.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pmGtXWG.jpg

Rajputs also keep same mustache, they are kshatriya caste of India.

[Oghuz]

Scythians are now 1000 different tribes and nations. They were a broad people.

https://i.imgur.com/AAlSMdL.png

Rightly said.

Sychtian was an ethno-cultural Iranic entity.

Descendants are now divided into Hungary, Ukraine, Belarus, Caucasus & Iranian Plateau.

There is lot of Fascination with them even though they got defeated in most of the wars they fought. Persian empire destroyed the Scythian strength forever and they never got to their full strength again. Irony that two types of Iranics clashed and gained nothing against eachother.

[Pansarkamrat]

CUMANS COME FROM SCHYTIANS!

[Leto]

Ukrainians and Russians from the steppes (Belgorod, Tver and Kursk) are the most genetically related to the ancient Scythians. In fact it can be said that they are descendants of Slavized Scythians.
Absolutely false. I don't even know where you got that nonsense from. First of all, Tver is not in Southern Russia, it's like 200 km northwest of Moscow, Iranic people never lived up there. Secondly, places like Belgorod and Kursk, i.e. Southwest Russia were largely depopulated after the Mongol invasion of 1236-40 and it wasn't until the late 16th or early 17th century that the region was gradually repopulated by sedentary peasants again. Most settlers came there from what is now Eastern and Northern Ukraine.

[Harkonnen]

I dont know but i have heard that finns-ugrics got schytian admix.

The Finno-Ugrians who appeared in Estonia circa 3000 years ago obvously had very little if any Scythian admix. They were genetically pretty much like Estonians with some extra hunter-gatherer ancestry.

This was their physical type:


At various points near the Esthonian coast of the Gulf of Finland, a remarkable group of skeletons has been found in cists under tumuli, probably dating from about 1200 B.C., near the beginning of the Middle Bronze Age, although they may possibly have been as much as seven hundred years later.90 (See Appendix I, col. 30) Ten male and five female skulls belong to one homogeneous racial type, extremely dolichocephalic, with a mean cranial length of 195 mm. The faces are very long, and also wide; the nose is of great height. The browridges are in many cases heavy, and the nasal bones high and projecting, but deep-set under a strong glabella. These skulls are similar in many respects to the Corded racial type, especially as exemplified by the dolichocephalic element in the Britsh Bronze Age population. Like the latter, they are associated with long bones which indicate tall stature. The males, in fact, averaged 172 cm.; the females 165.
Unlike the Corded group, however, these Esthonian skulls are as large in vault and face size as the Upper Palaeolithic group from central Europe, and equal the latter in a number of telltale dimensions, including cranial length, orbital width, and bizygomatic diameter. In the height dimensions of the vault and face, the Esthonian crania exceed all known European groups of any age.
This is a clear case of the blending of Upper Palaeolithic survivors, who had preserved a hunting life in their northern forest, with Corded horsemen and cultivators who had penetrated their fastness, bringing them their first direct contact with food-producing civilization. If the Upper Palaeolithic group survived in Esthonia, it could have done so in Norway as well. It is worth noting the exaggeration of the Corded facial and cranial heights in the Esthonian mixture along with the Upper Palaeolithic retention of gross vault size and of face breadth. This will later be encountered in several living North European populations.


It is possible the Magyars who emerged much later somewhere in Central Asia had Scythian admix.

[AlfonsoVIII]

Absolutely false. I don't even know where you got that nonsense from. First of all, Tver is not in Southern Russia, it's like 200 km northwest of Moscow, Iranic people never lived up there.

Here I was wrong, I thought of something else. Let's change Tver for Rostov, and I also add Krasnodar.


Secondly, places like Belgorod and Kursk, i.e. Southwest Russia were largely depopulated after the Mongol invasion of 1236-40 and it wasn't until the late 16th or early 17th century that the region was gradually repopulated by sedentary peasants again. Most settlers came there from what is now Eastern and Northern Ukraine.

Oh, I know my friend. I know that part of the story, I love Slavic and especially Russian history and culture. Did not you read what I wrote well?


Ukrainians and Russians from the steppes

[Harkonnen]

Mixed:

55 Latvian
30 Serbian
12.5 Scythian Hungary
2.5 Karasuk

Fit: 1.0939

Ancient:

43.33 Scythian Hungary
40.83 Baltic BA
13.33 Balkans BA
2.5 Saka Tian Shan

Fit: 2.2461

What is this Scythian Hungary sample exactly?

[Leto]

I know that part of the story, I love Slavic and especially Russian history and culture. Did not you read what I wrote well?
I'm glad for you but the thing is that ca. half of modern Ukraine was part of the so called Wild Field, which means those lands had no sedentary population until the 16-17 century or so. That's basically all the oblasts of Ukraine east of Kiev plus Southern and Southwestern Russia. The first settlers in Eastern Ukraine and Southern Russia (not SW) were Cossacks. Anyway, I don't think we can confidently trace their origins back to the Scythians as the Scythians are thought to have disappeared a few centuries before the establishment of Kievan Rus (IX AD).

[Slavic Italian]

I'm glad for you but the thing is that ca. half of modern Ukraine was part of the so called Wild Field, which means those lands had no sedentary population until the 16-17 century or so. That's basically all the oblasts of Ukraine east of Kiev plus Southern and Southwestern Russia. The first settlers in Eastern Ukraine and Southern Russia (not SW) were Cossacks. Anyway, I don't think we can confidently trace their origins back to the Scythians as the Scythians are thought to have disappeared a few centuries before the establishment of Kievan Rus (IX AD).

Where did the Cossacks come from?

[AlfonsoVIII]

I'm glad for you but the thing is that ca. half of modern Ukraine was part of the so called Wild Field, which means those lands had no sedentary population until the 16-17 century or so. That's basically all the oblasts of Ukraine east of Kiev plus Southern and Southwestern Russia. The first settlers in Eastern Ukraine and Southern Russia (not SW) were Cossacks. Anyway, I don't think we can confidently trace their origins back to the Scythians as the Scythians are thought to have disappeared a few centuries before the establishment of Kievan Rus (IX AD).

South Slavs of the old Rus of Kiev were largely of Scythian origin. Because steppes of Ukraine and Russia were ravaged by the Turkic and Mongolian invasions, Slavic groups that remained here - largely of Scythian origin, as I said - were forced to defend themselves from invaders adopting their mode of life, and that is the origin of Cossacks. In fact many Cossacks today claim their Scythian roots.

[Slavic Italian]

South Slavs of the old Rus of Kiev were largely of Scythian origin. Because steppes of Ukraine and Russia were ravaged by the Turkic and Mongolian invasions, Slavic groups that remained here - largely of Scythian origin, as I said - were forced to defend themselves from invaders adopting their mode of life, and that is the origin of Cossacks. In fact many Cossacks today claim their Scythian roots.

Stendhal had said that "Cossacks were pure as children and great as Gods."

[AlfonsoVIII]

Stendhal had said that "Cossacks were pure as children and great as Gods."

Stendhal was right. Cossacks as well as warriors were excellent explorers and settlers, and they are the ones who extended Russia to the Pacific. I always say that Cossacks are to Siberia what Spanish cowboys to North America and Gauchos to Patagonia.

[Thracian]

I myself. Check my signature :D

[Harkonnen]

Stendhal was right. Cossacks as well as warriors were excellent explorers and settlers, and they are the ones who extended Russia to the Pacific. I always say that Cossacks are to Siberia what Spanish cowboys to North America and Gauchos to Patagonia.

I'm not expert on Cossack history, but I was under impression Pomors were active in Siberia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semyon_Dezhnev

[AlfonsoVIII]

I'm not expert on Cossack history, but I was under impression Pomors were active in Siberia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semyon_Dezhnev

Pomors also participated actively in the exploration and colonization of Siberia, but to a lesser extent than Cossacks, and very often in groups led by Cossacks.

[Harkonnen]

Pomors also participated actively in the exploration and colonization of Siberia, but to a lesser extent than Cossacks, and very often in groups led by Cossacks.

lol

[Harkonnen]

Pomors were seafaring fuckers (whalers & traders) from Kalmokari and Arkhangelsk. Their game was to sail east the Arctic Ocean and then continue down South those big rivers; Yenisei etc. Just saying that it would be one dumbfuck move from Pomor pov to hire a horse-fucker from Southern Russian plains as captain for their boats.

[AlfonsoVIII]

Pomors were seafaring fuckers (whalers & traders) from Kalmokari and Arkhangelsk. Their game was to sail east the Arctic Ocean and then continue down South those big rivers; Yenisei etc. Just saying that it would be one dumbfuck move from Pomor pov to hire a horse-fucker from Southern Russian plains as captain for their boats.

Cossacks explored and colonized Russia by earth, so they were more successful than Pomors, who depended on ice-free navigation to get into Siberia by going up the rivers from the Arctic.

[Leto]

There were Ural and Siberian Cossacks, they weren't directly from Southern Russia. It is true, Siberia was explored by those guys (16-17th centuries). Civilian settlers followed them later on.

[Roy]

Strongly isolated Wakhi people in Afghanistan (North-Eastern part - Wakhi corridor that links Afghanistan with China) in particular are said to carry a lot of Scythian ancestry. They are nomads just like Scythians.

War? What war? Afghan tribe so remote they didn't know about the Taliban or that the US had overthrown them

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3829425/War-war-Afghan-tribe-remote-didn-t-know-Taliban-overthrown-captured-stunning-images.html

https://i.redd.it/epwdevr0iuc11.png

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/10/09/14/393D5EFF00000578-3829425-image-a-136_1476021216941.jpg

https://res.cloudinary.com/fleetnation/image/private/c_fit,w_1120/g_south,l_text:style_gothic2:%C2%A9%20Eric%20Laffo rgue,o_20,y_10/g_center,l_watermark4,o_25,y_50/v1513116348/cfcxwmdwrumhpeat7fds.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/8327/29146411861_3f467e5ed2_b.jpg

https://i1.wp.com/adventuresoflilnicki.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/562A1098.jpg

http://richardkwolf.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/ds3.jpg

https://res.cloudinary.com/fleetnation/image/private/c_fit,w_1120/g_south,l_text:style_gothic2:%C2%A9%20Eric%20Laffo rgue,o_20,y_10/g_center,l_watermark4,o_25,y_50/v1513116422/gdtfi7d2jeboj1pz0taf.jpg

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/PTM2T6/a-wakhi-man-from-the-wakhan-corridor-of-afghanistan-PTM2T6.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6d/45/4f/6d454f5ce373e08c75a171987043f33a.jpg

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5ab61c67ec4eb7ab7a2f40f2/t/5b5befc6758d46f72cbe7112/1532751832177/wakhi-women

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e3/2c/41/e32c411156bb75da688e31de2427d2d7.jpg

[archangel]

people from todays Ukraine and North Euroasia

I might have Scythian ancestry

[Gaditanian]

Which people have Scythian DNA in them today?

*Hope this is the right thread to post this in.*

Me?

https://oi1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah93/gaditanian/Scythian%20Moldova2_zpsfsuuyqe2.jpg

[Benyzero]

https://i.imgur.com/DW7238x.png

[oszkar07]

As a half Hungarian I get Scythian matches on MyTrueAncestry.

2. Western-Scythian Black Sea (290 BC) ..... 9.02 - MJ34 (Click for more info)
Top 99% match vs all users


9. Beaeker-Scythian Ukraine (580 BC) ..... 9.663 - MJ13 (Click for more info)
Top 98% match vs all users

11. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) ..... 9.702 - scy006 (Click for more info)
Top 95% match vs all users

14. Western-Scythian Outlier Black Sea (260 BC) ..... 10.54 - MJ46 (Click for more info)
Top 97% match vs all users


23. Western-Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) ..... 12.42 - MJ16 (Click for more info)
Top 98% match vs all users



26. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) ..... 13.0 - scy010 (Click for more info)
Top 94% match vs all users


39. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) ..... 14.0 - scy009 (Click for more info)
Top 94% match vs all users



https://i.imgur.com/896jPpo.jpg?1

[21993]

South Russians

[Daos777]

West Scythians(and their related Sarmatians) would have contributed most ancestry to People around Poland/Ukraine/South West Russia. Iranic influence is seen in the Slavic language for a reason. Slavs picked up some of their words as they assimilated them.

[Kyp]

I am

[michal3141]

To some extent Slavs and Central Asians. Scythians were very diverse people of the steppes.

[itilvolga]

The Magyars and other Turkic people who also have Scythian backgrounds.

We (Magyars) even keep the mustache, though it is now known more commonly as the "Hungarian" style in Europe and the larger world. Top pic is the oldest example of the Hungarian mustache, taken from a Scythian grave felt in the Altai. Bottom two are of Árpád (Hungarian leader who conquered modern day Hungary from Asia) and the other Hungarian chieftains.

https://i.imgur.com/aqmPTYU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qzFd21O.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pmGtXWG.jpg

This.

[Leto]

Cossacks (spiritual descendants)

[Leto]

I am
Your last name should be Aryazadeh ('Aryan son') :cool:
It would be interesting to test your Y DNA further.

[Kyp]

Your last name should be Aryazadeh ('Aryan son') :cool:
It would be interesting to test your Y DNA further.

My last name has actually a turkic suffix. A source said R1a in Azerbaijan is likely Proto-Mitanni > Median > Scythian > Oghuz > Parthian > Persian origin (in that order) I think I will explore it further down the line.

[xripkan]

My last name has actually a turkic suffix. A source said R1a in Azerbaijan is likely Proto-Mitanni > Median > Scythian > Oghuz > Parthian > Persian origin (in that order) I think I will explore it further down the line.

Which subclades do you think that could be Mitanni?

[Leto]

My last name has actually a turkic suffix. A source said R1a in Azerbaijan is likely Proto-Mitanni > Median > Scythian > Oghuz > Parthian > Persian origin (in that order) I think I will explore it further down the line.
Did your father speak Azerbaijani Turkish as a child?

Republican Azerbaijanis have the Russian suffix -ov/ev (surnames were uncommon among the Muslims before the Soviets who made them mandatory), however some have changed it since 1991 to li (the i may be dotless in many cases) - Memedov - Memedli.

[Kyp]

Did your father speak Azerbaijani Turkish as a child?



yes.


Republican Azerbaijanis have the Russian suffix -ov/ev (surnames were uncommon among the Muslims before the Soviets who made them mandatory), however some have changed it since 1991 to li (the i may be dotless in many cases) - Memedov - Memedli.

I know. Our suffix is -lu it's basically the same as -li. Meaning "belonging to".

[Kyp]

Which subclades do you think that could be Mitanni?

i'm not well versed with the specific sublades. But it would be the first wave of R1a-z93 I guess.

[Ülev]

Komi