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Borealis
06-10-2019, 07:16 PM
Baloch are a population which are closer to their neighbors to the west than the east. The Sindhis are a neighboring Indic population and are further from them than are south Iranians. There appears to be a cline between Baloch, Makranis(western baloch tribe, south iranians, and persians).

"sample": "Iranian_Bandari:Average",
"fit": 4.3862,
"Balochi": 100,

"sample": "Iranian_Persian:Average",
"fit": 8.4674,
"Balochi": 100,

"sample": "Makrani:Average",
"fit": 2.2782,
"Balochi": 100,

"sample": "Sindhi:Average",
"fit": 6.2652,
"Balochi": 100,

The Makrani are a western Baloch tribe, and they are even closer to south Iranians, but strangely not north/central Iranians. This may be due to extra negroid admixture among makrani compared to north iranians.


"sample": "Iranian_Bandari:Average",
"fit": 3.6251,
"Makrani": 100,

"sample": "Iranian_Persian:Average",
"fit": 8.0828,
"Makrani": 100,

"sample": "Sindhi:Average",
"fit": 8.9605,
"Makrani": 100,
Now comparing south Iranians to the rest:

"sample": "Balochi:Average",
"fit": 3.8872,
"Iranian_Bandari": 100,


"sample": "Iranian_Persian:Average",
"fit": 3.9893,
"Iranian_Bandari": 100,

"sample": "Makrani:Average",
"fit": 2.8186,
"Iranian_Bandari": 100,

"sample": "Sindhi:Average",
"fit": 10.0377,
"Iranian_Bandari": 100,

What causes them to differ significantly? I believe it is the sheer amount of neolithic ancestry. Baloch/Makrani have the highest Iran neolithic of any race and also have some significant Anatolian(pushing them closer to west Asians). They also have one of the lowest ASI of any group.
Adamastor
06-10-2019, 07:21 PM
The main difference between 'Indic' and 'Iranic' groups seem to be the high degree of ASE (Ancestral South Eurasian) in Indic speakers. Do you have results of Paki Dravidian speakers like the Brahui? If they differ from Indic speakers it could also illustrate earlier Dravidians were not ASE but Neolithics who assimilated and mixed with Veddoids.
Borealis
06-10-2019, 07:38 PM
The main difference between 'Indic' and 'Iranic' groups seem to be the high degree of ASE (Ancestral South Eurasian) in Indic speakers. Do you have results of Paki Dravidian speakers like the Brahui? If they differ from Indic speakers it could also illustrate earlier Dravidians were not ASE but Neolithics who assimilated and mixed with Veddoids.

Yes the Brahui are identical to the Baloch and show no noticeable shift towards the east or south. The theory that they are of ancient Dravidian stock may have credibility given this.

"sample": "Brahui:Average",
"fit": 0.559,
"Balochi": 100,
Zoro
06-10-2019, 10:34 PM
Not surprising considering their language is closest to Kurdish . A migration east from NW Iran 2000 years would explain the language and genetics. The Iranian Baloch are even less S Asian mixed. The Brahui retain some of the local Dravidian language but genetically they are Baloch with a Pashtun shift. So you have Pashto, Balochi, and Brahui which are distinct. The Dravidian language may simply be related to the Elamites of ancient Persia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages

https://i.imgur.com/vDuXrQM.png
Didac
04-06-2022, 09:05 AM
They aren’t rlly south Asians more like the most eastern point/starting point of west Asia imo
Didac
04-06-2022, 09:08 AM
They aren’t rlly south Asians more like the most eastern point/starting point of west Asia imo