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Thambi
06-11-2019, 02:30 AM
Most of the east-central tribals speak languages that belong to the austroasiatic family with some speaking dravidian languages like the gonds and khonda. Vietnamese and Khmer (cambodian) are included in this family. Austro asiatic languages came into the subcontinent from southeast asia through reverse migration and made all the way to East-Central india. When they arrived, they mixed with local AASI folks. the austroasiatic speakers genetic influence is noted through the LAO_LN_BA ancient influence. the admix goes from from 11% in gonds to 33% in Juangs. The west eurasian came in later.

The tribes are from these three states of India.
https://i.imgur.com/kQ3nTSz.png

https://i.imgur.com/BRcXXoG.png

"Asur:Average", (63% AASI, 23% west eurasian, 13% Lao)
"fit": 2.0279,
"Simulated_AASI": 63.33,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 16.67,
"LAO_LN_BA": 13.33,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 6.67

"Bhumij:Average", (64% AASI, 18% west eurasian, 18% Lao)
"fit": 2.6883,
"Simulated_AASI": 64.17,
"LAO_LN_BA": 17.5,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 11.67,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 6.67,

"Birhor:Average", (62% AASI, 18% west eurasian, 21% Lao)
"fit": 1.5632,
"Simulated_AASI": 61.67,
"LAO_LN_BA": 20.83,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 12.5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 5,

"Bonda:Average", (56% AASI, 33% Lao, 12% west eurasian)
"fit": 1.6518,
"Simulated_AASI": 55.83,
"LAO_LN_BA": 32.5,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 6.67,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 5,

"Gadaba:Average" (58% AASI, 28% Lao, 14% west eurasian)
"fit": 2.4929,
"Simulated_AASI": 58.33,
"LAO_LN_BA": 27.5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 7.5,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 6.67,

"Gond:Average", (62% AASI, 27% West Eurasian, 12% Lao)
"fit": 1.5507,
"Simulated_AASI": 61.67,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 18.33,
"LAO_LN_BA": 11.67,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 8.33

"Ho:Average", (62% AASI, 22% Lao, 17% West Eurasian)
"fit": 1.5268,
"Simulated_AASI": 61.67,
"LAO_LN_BA": 21.67,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 10,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 6.67

"Juang:Average", (56% AASI, 33% Lao, 11% West Eurasian)
"fit": 2.6465,
"Simulated_AASI": 55.83,
"LAO_LN_BA": 33.33,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 5.83,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 5

"Khonda_Dora:Average", (58% AASI, 28% Lao, 13% west eurasian)
"fit": 2.3013,
"Simulated_AASI": 58.33,
"LAO_LN_BA": 28.33,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 7.5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 5.83

"Korwa:Average", (63% AASI, 21% Lao, 16% west eurasian)
"fit": 1.6137,
"Simulated_AASI": 63.33,
"LAO_LN_BA": 20.83,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 10.83,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 5
Purohit ji
06-11-2019, 03:17 AM
Do this for your group and northwest groups
Thambi
06-11-2019, 03:59 AM
Do this for your group and northwest groups

"Thambi",
"fit": 2.8526,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 53.33,
"Simulated_AASI": 41.67,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 5,

"Brahmin_Gujarat:Average",
"fit": 2.5992,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 49.17,
"Simulated_AASI": 28.33,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 22.5,

"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:Average",
"fit": 2.3497,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 48.33,
"Simulated_AASI": 35,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 16.67

"Gujar:Average",
"fit": 2.4476,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 57.5,
"Simulated_AASI": 23.33,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 19.17,

"Punjabi_Jat:Average",
"fit": 2.4253,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 50.83,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 29.17,
"Simulated_AASI": 20

"Sindhi:Average",
"fit": 2.0522,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 60,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 20,
"Simulated_AASI": 19.17,
"LAO_LN_BA": 0.83

"Ror:Average",
"fit": 2.6807,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 43.33,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 39.17,
"Simulated_AASI": 17.5,
Borealis
06-11-2019, 04:02 AM
I would consider those in the states you marked red to be eastern tribals, while central tribals would be those in MP, Rajasthan, Maharashtra.
Thambi
06-11-2019, 04:05 AM
I would consider those in the states you marked red to be eastern tribals, while central tribals would be those in MP, Rajasthan, Maharashtra.

I guess East-central or something. technically east would be bengal/bihar and when central tribals are discussed these groups are brought up so thats why i said central. I'll just leave it at indian tribals then to avoid confusion.
Purohit ji
06-11-2019, 04:54 AM
"Thambi",
"fit": 2.8526,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 53.33,
"Simulated_AASI": 41.67,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 5,

"Brahmin_Gujarat:Average",
"fit": 2.5992,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 49.17,
"Simulated_AASI": 28.33,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 22.5,

"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:Average",
"fit": 2.3497,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 48.33,
"Simulated_AASI": 35,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 16.67

"Gujar:Average",
"fit": 2.4476,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 57.5,
"Simulated_AASI": 23.33,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 19.17,

"Punjabi_Jat:Average",
"fit": 2.4253,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 50.83,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 29.17,
"Simulated_AASI": 20

"Sindhi:Average",
"fit": 2.0522,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 60,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 20,
"Simulated_AASI": 19.17,
"LAO_LN_BA": 0.83

"Ror:Average",
"fit": 2.6807,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 43.33,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 39.17,
"Simulated_AASI": 17.5,

Lol rors amazing dethroned the almighty jatts . South brahmin mix of you and gujrat brahmin. Sindhis and gujjers almost same. Jatts= gurjar+ror
Borealis
06-11-2019, 05:31 AM
Lol rors amazing dethroned the almighty jatts . South brahmin mix of you and gujrat brahmin. Sindhis and gujjers almost same. Jatts= gurjar+ror

those are poojabi jats, the hindi ones still have very high steppe.
Purohit ji
06-11-2019, 08:45 AM
those are poojabi jats, the hindi ones still have very high steppe.

Still rors are ahead
Leto
06-11-2019, 01:25 PM
Interesting. So some Indians are as much as 30+ percent BA Steppe?
Thambi
06-11-2019, 01:51 PM
Interesting. So some Indians are as much as 30+ percent BA Steppe?

Some individual indian ror samples reach 40-45% steppe bro. Almost half. Rors are from northwest indian state of haryana. UP jat is a jat sample from Uttar pradesh.

"Ror:Ror_12",
"fit": 2.7722,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 45,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 35.83,
"Simulated_AASI": 19.17

"Ror:Ror_37",
"fit": 2.5546,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 44.17,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 37.5,
"Simulated_AASI": 18.33

"Ror:Ror_49",
"fit": 2.6042,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 42.5,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 38.33,
"Simulated_AASI": 19.17

"UP_Jatt:Average",
"fit": 3.0222,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 41.67,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 40,
"Simulated_AASI": 18.33,

"Ror:Ror_29",
"fit": 2.7058,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 41.67,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 40,
"Simulated_AASI": 18.33,
Maguzanci
06-11-2019, 04:07 PM
Most of the east-central tribals speak languages that belong to the austroasiatic family with some speaking dravidian languages like the gonds and khonda. Vietnamese and Khmer (cambodian) are included in this family. Austro asiatic languages came into the subcontinent from southeast asia through reverse migration and made all the way to East-Central india. When they arrived, they mixed with local AASI folks. the austroasiatic speakers genetic influence is noted through the LAO_LN_BA ancient influence. the admix goes from from 11% in gonds to 33% in Juangs. The west eurasian came in later.

The tribes are from these three states of India.
https://i.imgur.com/kQ3nTSz.png

https://i.imgur.com/BRcXXoG.png

"Asur:Average", (63% AASI, 23% west eurasian, 13% Lao)
"fit": 2.0279,
"Simulated_AASI": 63.33,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 16.67,
"LAO_LN_BA": 13.33,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 6.67

"Bhumij:Average", (64% AASI, 18% west eurasian, 18% Lao)
"fit": 2.6883,
"Simulated_AASI": 64.17,
"LAO_LN_BA": 17.5,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 11.67,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 6.67,

"Birhor:Average", (62% AASI, 18% west eurasian, 21% Lao)
"fit": 1.5632,
"Simulated_AASI": 61.67,
"LAO_LN_BA": 20.83,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 12.5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 5,

"Bonda:Average", (56% AASI, 33% Lao, 12% west eurasian)
"fit": 1.6518,
"Simulated_AASI": 55.83,
"LAO_LN_BA": 32.5,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 6.67,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 5,

"Gadaba:Average" (58% AASI, 28% Lao, 14% west eurasian)
"fit": 2.4929,
"Simulated_AASI": 58.33,
"LAO_LN_BA": 27.5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 7.5,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 6.67,

"Gond:Average", (62% AASI, 27% West Eurasian, 12% Lao)
"fit": 1.5507,
"Simulated_AASI": 61.67,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 18.33,
"LAO_LN_BA": 11.67,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 8.33

"Ho:Average", (62% AASI, 22% Lao, 17% West Eurasian)
"fit": 1.5268,
"Simulated_AASI": 61.67,
"LAO_LN_BA": 21.67,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 10,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 6.67

"Juang:Average", (56% AASI, 33% Lao, 11% West Eurasian)
"fit": 2.6465,
"Simulated_AASI": 55.83,
"LAO_LN_BA": 33.33,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 5.83,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 5

"Khonda_Dora:Average", (58% AASI, 28% Lao, 13% west eurasian)
"fit": 2.3013,
"Simulated_AASI": 58.33,
"LAO_LN_BA": 28.33,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 7.5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 5.83

"Korwa:Average", (63% AASI, 21% Lao, 16% west eurasian)
"fit": 1.6137,
"Simulated_AASI": 63.33,
"LAO_LN_BA": 20.83,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 10.83,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 5

Nice results!


Here is the lowest ANI/Western shifted Austroasiatic Ho sample: Ho:HO_01_35. Only around 13% Cock-Asian blood lol

"sample": "Custom:HoHO_01_35",
"fit": 2.0651,
"Simulated_AASI": 65,
"LAO_LN_BA": 21.67,
"TJK_Sarazm_Eneolithic": 9.17,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 4.17,


Here is the lowest ANI/Western shifted Gond sample. Around 17-18% Cock-Asian.

"sample": "Custom:GondGond1",
"fit": 3.1857,
"Simulated_AASI": 62.5,
"LAO_LN_BA": 20,
"TJK_Sarazm_Eneolithic": 10,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 7.5,
Thambi
06-11-2019, 04:20 PM
Nice results!


Here is the lowest ANI/Western shifted Austroasiatic Ho sample: Ho:HO_01_35. Only around 13% Cock-Asian blood lol

"sample": "Custom:HoHO_01_35",
"fit": 2.0651,
"Simulated_AASI": 65,
"LAO_LN_BA": 21.67,
"TJK_Sarazm_Eneolithic": 9.17,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 4.17,


Here is the lowest ANI/Western shifted Gond sample. Around 17-18% Cock-Asian.

"sample": "Custom:GondGond1",
"fit": 3.1857,
"Simulated_AASI": 62.5,
"LAO_LN_BA": 20,
"TJK_Sarazm_Eneolithic": 10,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 7.5,

damn thats like the opposite of balochi/brahui samples like you mentioned before. pretty cool. though the lao mix is additional.
Leto
06-11-2019, 04:34 PM
Some individual indian ror samples reach 40-45% steppe bro. Almost half. Rors are from northwest indian state of haryana. UP jat is a jat sample from Uttar pradesh.

What about Andhra Pradesh? I wonder what Danny Pudi's racial background may be like. He looks Brahmin to me, prolly his dad was a typical dark brown Dravidian.

What about Andhra Pradesh? The actor Danny Pudi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Pudi) who is half Indian (father from AP) and half Polish (mother from NE Poland) looks straight up Indian
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Danny_Pudi_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/476px-Danny_Pudi_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg
His wife is Irish, so the kids are 1/4 Southern Indian and white-passing to me. I'd like to see their DNA results.
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Broadcast+Television+Journalists+Association+XvqlK YklrvSx.jpg
https://heightline.com/wp-content/uploads/Danny-Pudis-and-wife-Bridget-Showalter-e1531126760388.jpg
Truth Preacher
06-11-2019, 04:49 PM
Lol rors amazing dethroned the almighty jatts . South brahmin mix of you and gujrat brahmin. Sindhis and gujjers almost same. Jatts= gurjar+ror

Have u met many Rors do they look typical Haryanvi?
Thambi
06-11-2019, 04:58 PM
What about Andhra Pradesh? I wonder what Danny Pudi's racial background may be like. He looks Brahmin to me, prolly his dad was a typical dark brown Dravidian.

I'm from andhra pradesh so his father might have been similar to me in terms of genetic makeup. His last name pudi i think is a velama last name so his father might be similar to me/velama average.

here are my results and other midcaste/brahmin (upper caste) results from andhra pradesh

"Thambi", (midcaste. Reddy)
"fit": 2.8526,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 53.33,
"Simulated_AASI": 41.67,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 5,

"sudkol:AG user" (andhra brahmin)
"fit": 2.2572,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 46.67,
"Simulated_AASI": 34.17,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 19.17

"Velamas:Average", (midcaste)
"fit": 2.2986,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 50.83,
"Simulated_AASI": 44.17,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 5,
Maguzanci
06-11-2019, 05:29 PM
damn thats like the opposite of balochi/brahui samples like you mentioned before. pretty cool. though the lao mix is additional.

Yep. Would also be cool if there is also a reversed/East Eurasian version of an Iranian (they still have very tiny amount of AASI) or the opposite version of an Armenian/Georgian/Abkhasian (zero AASI) in South Asia lol.

I wonder are there still any Indians who have zero/don't have any Cock-Asian/Western admixure left? (not counting the Andamanese and many Sino-Tibetans of course). If there are any genetically West Eurasian-free Indians left, they must be less than 5% of pop lol considering how pervasive and widespread Western/Cock-Asian admixture in South Asia is, even if it is minor amounts.

Its interesting how one Malay sample (the most Western-shifted Malay individual)and some Thai individuals have similar amounts of Western blood as the Bonda and Juang lmao: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?291498-Global25-Modelling-of-SE-Asians-Noticeable-AASI-and-West-Eurasian-(Genetic-Legacy-of-Indian-Empire)&p=6083330&viewfull=1#post6083330

While I think Asur, Paniya and Gond are the opposite version of the some Brahmin, Sindhi and some Jatts lol.

Here is lowest ANI/Western-shifted Birhor sample, Birhor:BIR_14. Around 15% Western blood

"sample": "Custom:BirhorBIR_14",
"fit": 2.0095,
"Simulated_AASI": 63.33,
"LAO_LN_BA": 21.67,
"TJK_Sarazm_Eneolithic": 10.83,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 4.17,


Here is the lowest Korwa sample, Korwa:KO_27 Around 14% Cock-Asian. The fit is meh.

"sample": "Custom:KorwaKO27",
"fit": 3.0618,
"Simulated_AASI": 63.33,
"LAO_LN_BA": 22.5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 7.5,
"TJK_Sarazm_Eneolithic": 6.67,

Lowest ANI/Cock-Asian affiliated Asur sample. Around 16% Cock-Ass-Soid (there are only 2 Asur samples lol. One is much more Western-shifted)

"sample": "Custom:AsurASUR350",
"fit": 2.7567,
"Simulated_AASI": 65.83,
"LAO_LN_BA": 18.33,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 8.33,
"TJK_Sarazm_Eneolithic": 7.5,


Lowest ANI/Cock-Ass-Soy shifted Santhal individual: Around 17-18% Western blood.

"sample": "Custom:SanthalSA12",
"fit": 2.1332,
"Simulated_AASI": 63.33,
"LAO_LN_BA": 19.17,
"TJK_Sarazm_Eneolithic": 10.83,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 6.67,
"closestDistances":
Purohit ji
06-11-2019, 07:30 PM
Have u met many Rors do they look typical Haryanvi?

No I have not met any ror. They look extremely haryanvi to me similar stock as haryanvi jaats.

https://youtu.be/dNylFpjDTpk
RMuller
06-11-2019, 09:17 PM
How do these Tribal Indians look like?