Polish R1b-Z2103 from Kuyavia/Wielkopolska borderland

[Peterski]

One user from a Polish history forum got tested. His ancestry is from the borderland between Kuyavia and Wielkopolska.

His haplogroup is a subclade of Eastern R1b, R1b-Z2103>PH2302. Very Indo-European (Yamnaya had R1b-Z2103).

His similarity map (there is no Kuyavian average in the map):

His top similar populations:

Wielkopolska - 88
Upper Silesians - 87
Lesser Poland - 86
Slovakia - 85
Czechia - 84
Kashubians - 84
Mazovians - 84
Carpathian Rusyns - 83
Eastern Germans - 82
West Ukrainians - 82

https://i.imgur.com/pCjeZvh.png

[Leto]

What about GM calculators? Eurogenes, Dodecad, MDLP, etc.

[Peterski]

What about GM calculators? Eurogenes, Dodecad, MDLP, etc.

He hasn't shared his GEDmatch kit so far but I will ask. I think his ancestry is mostly from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strzelno

[Peterski]

What about GM calculators? Eurogenes, Dodecad, MDLP, etc.

I got his kit number. Here is Eurogenes K13. He has strong Neolithic pull, in agreement with what this article about Kuyavia says:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?290843-200-ancient-DNA-samples-from-Kuyavia

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?287290-Mesolithic-Polish-Hunter-Gatherer&p=6068677&viewfull=1#post6068677

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 41.37
2 North_Atlantic 30.96
3 West_Med 11.58
4 East_Med 8.71
5 West_Asian 4.77
6 Amerindian 1.38
7 Red_Sea 0.61
8 Northeast_African 0.34
9 East_Asian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 3.45
2 Ukrainian 4.89
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 5.34
4 Polish 5.89
5 Croatian 7.04
6 Southwest_Russian 8.3
7 Russian_Smolensk 8.66
8 Estonian_Polish 8.88
9 Belorussian 9.03
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.03
11 Hungarian 9.2
12 East_German 10.61
13 Moldavian 10.75
14 Southwest_Finnish 11.65
15 Austrian 12.19
16 Estonian 12.46
17 Kargopol_Russian 13.04
18 Finnish 13.4
19 Lithuanian 13.56
20 North_Swedish 15.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.9% Belorussian + 22.1% North_Italian @ 2.51
2 50.5% Belorussian + 49.5% Hungarian @ 2.64
3 51% Estonian_Polish + 49% Hungarian @ 2.64
4 60.2% Hungarian + 39.8% Lithuanian @ 2.75
5 69.7% Lithuanian + 30.3% North_Italian @ 2.77
6 86.6% Polish + 13.4% Tuscan @ 2.86
7 79.1% Belorussian + 20.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.88
8 90% Polish + 10% Italian_Jewish @ 2.94
9 80.1% Belorussian + 19.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.94
10 63.1% Polish + 36.9% Hungarian @ 2.95
11 79.3% Belorussian + 20.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.97
12 74.9% Polish + 25.1% Serbian @ 2.98
13 79.2% Belorussian + 20.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.01
14 88.1% Polish + 11.9% West_Sicilian @ 3.02
15 78.1% Belorussian + 21.9% Portuguese @ 3.03
16 78.2% Belorussian + 21.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.04
17 96.6% South_Polish + 3.4% Italian_Jewish @ 3.05
18 85.8% Polish + 14.2% North_Italian @ 3.06
19 88.6% Polish + 11.4% Ashkenazi @ 3.06
20 97.6% South_Polish + 2.4% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.06

[Leto]

I got his kit number. Here is Eurogenes K13. He has strong Neolithic pull, in agreement with what this article about Kuyavia says:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?290843-200-ancient-DNA-samples-from-Kuyavia

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?287290-Mesolithic-Polish-Hunter-Gatherer&p=6068677&viewfull=1#post6068677

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 41.37
2 North_Atlantic 30.96
3 West_Med 11.58
4 East_Med 8.71
5 West_Asian 4.77
6 Amerindian 1.38
7 Red_Sea 0.61
8 Northeast_African 0.34
9 East_Asian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 3.45
2 Ukrainian 4.89
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 5.34
4 Polish 5.89
5 Croatian 7.04
6 Southwest_Russian 8.3
7 Russian_Smolensk 8.66
8 Estonian_Polish 8.88
9 Belorussian 9.03
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.03
11 Hungarian 9.2
12 East_German 10.61
13 Moldavian 10.75
14 Southwest_Finnish 11.65
15 Austrian 12.19
16 Estonian 12.46
17 Kargopol_Russian 13.04
18 Finnish 13.4
19 Lithuanian 13.56
20 North_Swedish 15.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.9% Belorussian + 22.1% North_Italian @ 2.51
2 50.5% Belorussian + 49.5% Hungarian @ 2.64
3 51% Estonian_Polish + 49% Hungarian @ 2.64
4 60.2% Hungarian + 39.8% Lithuanian @ 2.75
5 69.7% Lithuanian + 30.3% North_Italian @ 2.77
6 86.6% Polish + 13.4% Tuscan @ 2.86
7 79.1% Belorussian + 20.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.88
8 90% Polish + 10% Italian_Jewish @ 2.94
9 80.1% Belorussian + 19.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.94
10 63.1% Polish + 36.9% Hungarian @ 2.95
11 79.3% Belorussian + 20.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.97
12 74.9% Polish + 25.1% Serbian @ 2.98
13 79.2% Belorussian + 20.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.01
14 88.1% Polish + 11.9% West_Sicilian @ 3.02
15 78.1% Belorussian + 21.9% Portuguese @ 3.03
16 78.2% Belorussian + 21.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.04
17 96.6% South_Polish + 3.4% Italian_Jewish @ 3.05
18 85.8% Polish + 14.2% North_Italian @ 3.06
19 88.6% Polish + 11.4% Ashkenazi @ 3.06
20 97.6% South_Polish + 2.4% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.06
Interesting. Still a fairly typical Polish result.

[Peterski]

Interesting. Still a fairly typical Polish result.

This is how he plots in K15 PCA, close to me and to average Wielkopolska samples (which confirms that Kujawy is a region closely related to Wielkopolska):

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

Abscisse (x-axis): 394 pixel
Ordonnée (y-axis): 126 pixel

https://i.imgur.com/NVxCJpU.png

^^^ His K15 admixture results are:

Population
North_Sea 26.32 Pct
Atlantic 14.46 Pct
Baltic 28.16 Pct
Eastern_Euro 14.62 Pct
West_Med 7.66 Pct
West_Asian 3.36 Pct
East_Med 4.25 Pct
Red_Sea 0.32 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.81 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

^^^
And here his 4-Ancestors K15 Oracle:

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian +50% Hungarian @ 5.234587

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Ukrainian_Lviv +25% West_German @ 4.666594

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lithuanian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_German @ 4.303524
2 Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_German @ 4.396541
3 Lithuanian + Swedish + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.479795
4 Estonian + Hungarian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.523726
(...)

[Peterski]

Kujawy sub-dialect is part of Wielkopolska dialect (map) and this is apparently confirmed in their genetics:

http://www.dialektologia.uw.edu.pl/index.php?l1=mapa-serwisu&l2=&l3=&l4=kujawy-gwara-regionu-mwr

http://www.dialektologia.uw.edu.pl/cmsimg/api/KujM003.gif

[Peterski]

Bump for vbnetkhio.