View Full Version : What does e1b represent?
is it albanian, slav or greek?
Crimson Winds
06-12-2019, 12:45 AM
pre-history
Cristiano viejo
06-12-2019, 12:52 AM
It represents Africa.
According to morleydnapredicter im e1b, what does it actualty say?
According to morleydnapredicter im e1b, what does tell me?
Anxiety
06-12-2019, 02:09 AM
This
https://i.ibb.co/pP8fn1G/1.png
https://i.ibb.co/tMFBFcj/afbeelding.png (https://ibb.co/QFt9tnS)
PaleoEuropean
06-12-2019, 02:11 AM
Obviously Med/Southern Balkan-North African :rolleyes: common knowledge.
Anxiety
06-12-2019, 02:13 AM
Obviously Med/Southern Balkan-North African :rolleyes: common knowledge.
You cant speak of something that you dont have. Oh the irony.
PaleoEuropean
06-12-2019, 02:18 AM
You cant speak of something that you dont have. Oh the irony.
It's called reading smart guy. Get some basic knowledge pleb.
https://i.imgur.com/w8knvoc.jpg
2 questions:
Is it normal for serbs to get e1b?
Do u guys know how to use Nmonte calc?
PaleoEuropean
06-12-2019, 02:31 AM
2 questions:
Is it normal for serbs to get e1b?
Do u guys know how to use Nmonte calc?
Not uncommon, the Med farmers and North Africans that came up with the other haplgroups pre-history carried it up into the Balkans. They assimilated into WHG populations. I am sure tons of Greeks brought it to the Region via the Balkans and Turkey
Anxiety
06-12-2019, 02:38 AM
Not uncommon, the Med farmers and North Africans that came up with the other haplgroups pre-history carried it up into the Balkans. They assimilated into WHG populations. I am sure tons of Greeks brought it to the Region via the Balkans and Turkey
Is that why Greece has the biggest NA YDNA compared to the countries you named? Lmao. Your logic is ashtonising.
This
https://i.ibb.co/pP8fn1G/1.png
https://i.ibb.co/tMFBFcj/afbeelding.png (https://ibb.co/QFt9tnS)
I find it interesting as there are some rare Albanians that look pseudo-Berber. Could that be the remnant of the original Neolithic farmers?
HungryLion
06-12-2019, 06:49 AM
According to morleydnapredicter im e1b, what does it actualty say?
Wtf is that predicter? You should do real test.
21993
06-12-2019, 07:31 AM
East Med and South Med
Blondie
06-12-2019, 07:53 AM
It's neolithic european, the greeks and north africans belong to different e1b branch. The european E-V13:
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-E-V13.gif
"For many years the vast majority of academics have assumed that E-V13 and other E1b1b lineages came to the Balkans from the southern Levant via Anatolia during the Neolithic, and that the high frequency of E-V13 was caused by a founder effect among the colonisers. This theory has it that E1b1b people were associated with the development of Neolithic lifestyle and the advent of agriculture in the Fertile Crescent and its earliest diffusion to Southeast Europe (Thessalian Neolithic) and Mediterranean Europe (Cardium Pottery culture). The testing of ancient DNA from the Natufian culture (Mesolithic Levant) and Pre-Pottery Neolithic Levant confirmed a high incidence of haplogroup E1b1b in that region. However, out of 69 Y-DNA samples tested from Neolithic Europe, only two belonged to that haplogroup: one E-M78 from the Sopot culture in Hungary (5000-4800 BCE), another E-M78 (c. 5000 BCE), possibly E-V13, from north-east Spain, and a E-L618 from Zemunica cave near Split in Croatia from 5500 BCE (Fernandes et al., 2016). Whether these E-M78 samples came with Neolithic farmers from the Near East or were already present among Mesolithic Europeans is unclear at present. But in any case E-V13 was definitely not the major Neolithic European lineage it was once alleged to be."
North African E-M81:
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-E-M81.gif
The middle eastern E-M123:
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-E-M123.gif
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml
PaleoEuropean
06-12-2019, 08:33 AM
Is that why Greece has the biggest NA YDNA compared to the countries you named? Lmao. Your logic is ashtonising.
Greeks don't have the highest, look at Tunisia numbnuts, you are a special kind of stupid. Please go take your medication.
PaleoEuropean
06-12-2019, 08:34 AM
It's neolithic european, the greeks and north africans belong to different e1b branch. The european E-V13:
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-E-V13.gif
"For many years the vast majority of academics have assumed that E-V13 and other E1b1b lineages came to the Balkans from the southern Levant via Anatolia during the Neolithic, and that the high frequency of E-V13 was caused by a founder effect among the colonisers. This theory has it that E1b1b people were associated with the development of Neolithic lifestyle and the advent of agriculture in the Fertile Crescent and its earliest diffusion to Southeast Europe (Thessalian Neolithic) and Mediterranean Europe (Cardium Pottery culture). The testing of ancient DNA from the Natufian culture (Mesolithic Levant) and Pre-Pottery Neolithic Levant confirmed a high incidence of haplogroup E1b1b in that region. However, out of 69 Y-DNA samples tested from Neolithic Europe, only two belonged to that haplogroup: one E-M78 from the Sopot culture in Hungary (5000-4800 BCE), another E-M78 (c. 5000 BCE), possibly E-V13, from north-east Spain, and a E-L618 from Zemunica cave near Split in Croatia from 5500 BCE (Fernandes et al., 2016). Whether these E-M78 samples came with Neolithic farmers from the Near East or were already present among Mesolithic Europeans is unclear at present. But in any case E-V13 was definitely not the major Neolithic European lineage it was once alleged to be."
North African E-M81:
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-E-M81.gif
The middle eastern E-M123:
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-E-M123.gif
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml
Germanin is correct :thumb001:
Gangrel
06-12-2019, 08:56 AM
The proud country of Somalia
Vasconcelos
06-12-2019, 09:07 AM
Nothing, even E1b1b is 42000 years old. It was probably an ANA lineage
Anxiety
06-12-2019, 12:07 PM
Greeks don't have the highest, look at Tunisia numbnuts, you are a special kind of stupid. Please go take your medication.
You know I wasnt talking about Tunisia you downsy.
Voskos
06-12-2019, 12:09 PM
Serbs are around 15% e1b. Its normal balkan ydna.
Sockorer
06-12-2019, 12:12 PM
It is probably a Neolithic farmer lineage, originating in West Asia and spread to Europe and Africa by these early farmers.
Ayetooey
06-12-2019, 12:16 PM
E-v13 is around 8-15% in Serbs depending on region. So it's not one of the most common Y dna's, but it isn't ultra rare like Q or something. It's neolithic balkan so it just means your direct paternal ancestor was assimilated by the slavs; it means nothing in terms of your overall autosomal. You should test further on FTDNA for a subclade; Serb dna project would help you out. There's a fathers day sale on right now so a good time to order.
PaleoEuropean
06-12-2019, 12:29 PM
E-v13 is around 8-15% in Serbs depending on region. So it's not one of the most common Y dna's, but it isn't ultra rare like Q or something. It's neolithic balkan so it just means your direct paternal ancestor was assimilated by the slavs; it means nothing in terms of your overall autosomal. You should test further on FTDNA for a subclade; Serb dna project would help you out. There's a fathers day sale on right now so a good time to order.
Don't confuse this kid with science or facts, he can't read pie charts.
Petalpusher
06-12-2019, 12:31 PM
It is probably a Neolithic farmer lineage, originating in West Asia and spread to Europe and Africa by these early farmers.
Not with early farmers per say, out of 69 samples, only 1 had it except in the Balkans (everywhere else mostly they were G), 1.5% is like half of what Swedes have of E1b today for example, so clearly early farmers were not a E1b population. It's rather from a second wave that replaced the people who departed ancient Anatolia (nature hates void), this is why Balkan got the most and they couldn't expand as much from there, since the early farmers already populated Europe at this point. Some of it came in the Bronze Age also and in some particular places, even later (Sicily, Spain,..)
https://i.postimg.cc/65G2Ng1X/Capturehap.jpg
Stfu, problem is everyone on this forum is linking different source. Who shall i believe in?
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